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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the

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Speaker 1: Thing from iHeart Radio. People have different definitions of what

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Speaker 1: makes a star. Is it raw talent, beauty or is

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Speaker 1: it simply an X factor, a certain ineffable quality. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, Mary Lou Henner has.

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Speaker 2: It, and she has it in spades.

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Speaker 1: Singer, dancer, actor, and wellness expert, Henner is a multi

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Speaker 1: talented performer who is also simply a joy to be around.

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Speaker 1: She's like a Christmas tree and lights up every room

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Speaker 1: she's in. She's starred in over a dozen films, seven

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Speaker 1: Broadway shows, and two smash hit sitcoms. She played Ava

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Speaker 1: Evans Newton on Evening Shade alongside Burt Reynolds, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: most notably, Elaine Nardo on Taxi, a role that earned

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Speaker 1: her five Golden Globe nominations. Mary Lou Henner has also

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Speaker 1: a New York Times bestselling author and recently staged a

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Speaker 1: one woman autobiographical show. It covered everything from growing up

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Speaker 1: in a large family in Chicago to her preternatural mnemonic skills.

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Speaker 1: Henna is one of about sixty people in the world

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Speaker 1: who can recall nearly every detail of her life down

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Speaker 1: to the exact day and date.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because you know, I worked with Trump

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Speaker 3: twice on Celebrity Apprentice, but he used to start every

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Speaker 3: boardroom like Mary Lou, if I took you to Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Could you cheat for me? Could you count the cards?

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Speaker 3: Could you let's go to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure people assume that this skill you have it's

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Speaker 2: not a sill.

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Speaker 3: But it's yeah, it's just there. It's weird.

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Speaker 2: What do you call it?

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Speaker 3: I call it a gift. People sometimes call it a condition.

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Speaker 3: It's not, and that's why they changed the name. They

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Speaker 3: used to call it hyper tynysia, but then they thought

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Speaker 3: that that was like too weird a name, which it

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Speaker 3: really is. But it's not that they don't call it

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Speaker 3: that anymore. It's h SAM highly superior autobiographical memory, h SAM.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny you should mention that on my show

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Speaker 3: because I do a song about it in my show

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Speaker 3: that my brother wrote the lyrics to. So I'm going

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Speaker 3: to is a song called wait, don't tell me no, No,

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Speaker 3: you know what it's called. It's you know the Peggy

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Speaker 3: Lee song. Because I'm a woman, you know that song? Okay,

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Speaker 3: So I thought, hmmm, because I have h Sam, So

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Speaker 3: this is what we decided. I'll just do the first

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Speaker 3: one bucks count.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I Sam, because I excuse me, mister.

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Speaker 3: It was a very successful number and a very successful run,

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun. They said it was the best

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. You wrote a biography

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Speaker 1: back in ninety four. You've written ten books, I believe,

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Speaker 1: including that book. But when you do a one woman show,

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Speaker 1: where do you start?

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Speaker 3: Well, you need an opening number that sort of grabs

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Speaker 3: I wanted everything to sort of connect to something in

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Speaker 3: my life. And I was watching television and do you

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Speaker 3: know the Cold Porter movie, not Night and Day, the

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Speaker 3: I'm flicking through channels and there it is, and it's

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Speaker 3: the closing credits to Johnny Dangerously. I'm going to sing

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Speaker 3: then I go into the song about my memory because

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Speaker 3: I wanted to set that up right away because I

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what's funny. When I think of you, I

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Speaker 1: think of many things. You know, when you do the

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Speaker 1: show Taxi. You're someone who is part of that elite

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Speaker 2: And how did you get that job?

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a good story. I believe that the

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Speaker 3: they found something for me holding money holding deal. I

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Speaker 3: had a holding deal for a few years. Now, all

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Speaker 3: Joel Thurn, he really liked me. They wanted a thirty

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Speaker 3: Joel said, I'm telling you, this is the girl. I

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Speaker 3: she can hold her own with somebody like a Judd Hirsh.

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Speaker 3: She is one of the guys, but you'd believe her

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Speaker 3: having art aspirations. And I'm telling you, this is the girl.

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Speaker 3: So he kept bringing me back with all these older actresses.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime, my mom was dying in the

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Speaker 3: what happened was they really liked me. And at that point,

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Speaker 3: paper Chase was picked up for a season because Taxi

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Speaker 3: tested higher than even John Housman, we have to give

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Speaker 3: So my agents were able to play one against the other.

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Speaker 3: And I really wanted to do Taxi because the idea

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Speaker 3: it's like a stage play, you know. So Taxi said, well,

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Speaker 3: she's too young. We see this teenage girl with a daughter,

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. And they said, look, you're

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Speaker 3: And so they said, okay, we'll do it. She's Elaine.

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Speaker 3: We'll give her two little kids. So that's what they did.

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Speaker 2: So how it was Housman pay per Chase and what

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Speaker 2: was his name, Timothy.

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Speaker 3: Something, Timothy Bottoms. No, he didn't do the TV show.

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Speaker 2: Tim Bottoms did the movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a good movie with Lindsay Wagner

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Speaker 3: and everything. John Houseman was a real character. At the

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Speaker 3: rap party for the pilot, he tried to French kiss me.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was like one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well you can be canceled now, I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've got that. Yeah. I mean I

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Speaker 2: Like who probably deserved to be canceled at some point

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Speaker 2: in your life.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I was very protective of myself. I've been the

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Speaker 3: kind of girl that I think most whatever I don't

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Speaker 3: want to say, well, you know, I had brothers, so

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Speaker 3: I knew men or pigs, so I was like always

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny you say that because in that

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Speaker 1: Chris Guest's mother, Jean Guests, who I worshiped. Geen Guests,

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Speaker 1: was in charge of casting. Incredible, loveliest woman and show

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Speaker 1: She was one of the loveliest women in show business.

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Speaker 1: And if she really believed in you, she like hung

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Speaker 1: really believe in you. We're going to keep throwing it

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Speaker 2: Next Bill Bixby. I was like, wow, that sounds great.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever honor the deal? Did you ever have

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Speaker 1: The I went to do a pilot and then I

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Speaker 1: In the eighties and the early eighties.

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Speaker 2: That was NBC. Remember that, My god?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did tell you the day we met and

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Speaker 3: It was May May the twenty second of nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 3: I were both in the room, but I didn't see

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Speaker 3: my left shoulder, and then all of a sudden, Susman says,

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Speaker 3: I went, oh, my gosh, it was like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: And you and I actually had lunch the day of

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Speaker 3: sober that day and you showed me your coin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have thirty six years now and Febrielle have

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years.

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Speaker 2: Then, unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: And even last night I wanted to DEVI a drake.

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Speaker 1: Last night, I thought, let me just have a gigantic glass,

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Speaker 1: what would you doe, slurpy glass of red wine? Help

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Speaker 1: me good because I have horrible insomnia. I've always had

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Speaker 1: hard me too.

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Speaker 2: Me out with these kids. It's horrible. You know.

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Speaker 3: I wrote a book called I Refused to Raise a Brat,

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Speaker 3: and I wrote it with a brilliant psyche flanalyist because

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Speaker 3: I had these two kids, and I listened. Every time

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Speaker 3: all good. And then when I didn't, it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I come over every Sunday. We'd have Chinese food

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Speaker 3: I think it bonded the family. I did a lot

437
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Speaker 3: of therapy. I got my whole family involved in therapy.

438
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,400
Speaker 3: My therapist would put six speaker boxes up in her

439
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 3: office at Princeton, New Jersey, and every other Sunday for

440
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 3: ten years, the siblings would do a group therapy. So

441
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 3: we've worked out a lot of our stuff. That's number one.

442
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 3: But I had an extraordinary childhood, which was totally unusual,

443
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,159
Speaker 3: with the dancing school in the backyard, beauty shop in

444
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Speaker 3: the kitchen, an uncle who taught art at the Catholic

445
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Speaker 3: grammar school and lived upstairs with his boyfriend Charles, and

446
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,439
Speaker 3: a menagerie of animals, and I just had such an

447
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 3: unusual way of growing up, and I always had this

448
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,200
Speaker 3: mission to make something of myself and to share. I

449
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 3: think it's a middle child and me always wanted to like,

450
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Speaker 3: if I have a good idea, I want to share

451
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Speaker 3: it with everybody. I've never been very proprietary over anything.

452
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,239
Speaker 3: I just always want to share with people. I think

453
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Speaker 3: it comes from being the middle maybe, but I also

454
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Speaker 3: think having my memory is helped because the memory makes

455
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Speaker 3: you get over things very quickly, because you start to

456
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Speaker 3: see the waves. And also being an actress, you know,

457
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 3: every bad experience was like, Okay, I'm going to take

458
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Speaker 3: note of this. What can I do better next time?

459
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Speaker 3: How can I figure this out? You know I say

460
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Speaker 3: to people all the time, they go, how do you

461
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Speaker 3: do it? And it's like this, I go, think of

462
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 3: flaps up and it's like you just close your ears

463
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Speaker 3: to it, flaps up. Like say that to my kids

464
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Speaker 3: all the time, you know, smile not and move on.

465
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Speaker 2: So you were married three times, you were married twice,

466
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Speaker 2: and you're married again.

467
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Speaker 3: Now very final.

468
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Speaker 1: There's final, and so each of these meant the extent

469
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Speaker 1: you're willing to say, what did they represent for you?

470
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Speaker 1: You seem to be such a thoughtful, deliberate aware. You

471
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Speaker 1: seem like somebody that all the lights are on your brain,

472
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Speaker 1: your mind, your soul is like a house you pull

473
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Speaker 1: up to. It's like some kind of a Richard Neutra,

474
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Speaker 1: all glass structure and all the lights are on.

475
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Speaker 2: You're always on, you know what I mean? And alert

476
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Speaker 2: and aware.

477
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Speaker 1: So when you married one, and you're married two, and

478
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Speaker 1: you married three, what were you marrying them for?

479
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Speaker 2: Well?

480
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Speaker 3: First, Freddie and I met at a screen test and

481
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that they had added a kiss. And

482
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Speaker 3: I was the sixth girl screen testing opposite him for

483
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Speaker 3: a film called Hammet, and we just did.

484
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Speaker 2: Some people who don't know, this is Forrest.

485
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, Frederick Forrest the Academy Award now called Freddie.

486
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Speaker 3: And so he was so different from anybody I knew.

487
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Speaker 3: He was a lot older than I was, but he

488
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Speaker 3: was so different from anybody I ever knew. And I

489
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Speaker 3: was so fascinated by him because his brain was so

490
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: different and he was just I've just never seen anything

491
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: like a totally instinctive, brilliant actor. Brilliant actor and would

492
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Speaker 3: transform himself every part that he's played. He looks completely different.

493
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Speaker 3: And he wanted to marry me a few months after

494
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Speaker 3: we started dating and I said, no, let's live together.

495
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Speaker 3: He said, no marriage or nothing. I said, okay, well

496
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Speaker 3: then nothing. And then I went to my tenth year

497
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Speaker 3: high school reunion in Chicago and he went to a

498
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Speaker 3: wedding and he called me and we were both feeling

499
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Speaker 3: very sentimental, and we said, okay, let's get married. I

500
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Speaker 3: said okay, and then we ended up getting married three

501
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: weeks later in New Orleans and that was it. And

502
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: then coming home from the honeymoon because the actors were

503
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 3: on strike, I was going back to taxing. I thought,

504
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Speaker 3: what have I just done? I married a total stranger

505
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: to me. You know, it was like crazy, but he

506
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: was so fascinating and so loving and so full of

507
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 3: demons that if you're not somebody who is exposed to

508
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: demons a lot, you think like, I'll fix it. I'm

509
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 3: going to take care of it. Twenty eight twenty.

510
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Speaker 2: Eight, you're very young. Yeah, everything you do in your

511
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Speaker 2: twenties is a book. Yeah. No.

512
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Speaker 3: I have three theories of marriage. The first one is

513
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Speaker 3: marriages like making waffles. You throw the first one out, okay.

514
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Speaker 3: The second one is marriage is finding that special, certain

515
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Speaker 3: someone you just know you'd love to aggravate the rest

516
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Speaker 3: of your life, because marriage is like, you know, all

517
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Speaker 3: these little like diggy kind of things. And I said,

518
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Speaker 3: but no, the real theory. Saint a Zuberrie wrote something,

519
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Speaker 3: and I added something to it, and that is, you'll

520
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Speaker 3: have a happy marriage when you realize marriage isn't two

521
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: people gazing longingly into each other's eyes, but rather looking

522
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Speaker 3: out over the mountain in the same direction, with their

523
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: hands on each other's genitals. That's the part I added.

524
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Speaker 3: That's the part I added, because you got to have heat.

525
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Speaker 2: Oh that wasn't Saintan zuber reed, No, no, ok, sorry.

526
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Speaker 3: So you got to have vision in heat. So my

527
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: first marriage was all heat, my second marriage was all vision,

528
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Speaker 3: and finally I have vision and heat in my third marriage.

529
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Speaker 1: Wow, Actress Mary Lou Henner. If you like hearing about

530
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Speaker 1: the lives of groundbreaking women in comedy, check out my

531
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Speaker 1: interview with Carol Burnett. Her hit variety show ran for

532
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Speaker 1: more than a decade in the late sixties and seventies,

533
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Speaker 1: and at the height of her success, she had to

534
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Speaker 1: tread carefully.

535
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Speaker 4: In that era, the only one who really would speak

536
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Speaker 4: up was Lucy. She was very strong, but It's not

537
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Speaker 4: in my nature to take.

538
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Speaker 2: Over confront or anything.

539
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Speaker 4: You know, if a sketch wasn't working or something, instead

540
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Speaker 4: of like Gleason or Sid would say, look, guys, this stinks.

541
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Speaker 3: Now, come on, you got to fix it.

542
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Speaker 2: But but you know they would do that.

543
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Speaker 4: I would say, I'd call the writers down into the

544
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Speaker 4: rehearsal hall and I'd say, you know, guys, I'm not

545
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Speaker 4: doing this too well. Do you think maybe you could

546
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Speaker 4: help me out with a different line here or there,

547
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Speaker 4: because you know, otherwise I would have been a bitch.

548
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Speaker 1: Hear more of my conversation with Carol Burnett in our

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Speaker 1: archives that Here's Thething dot org. After the Break, Mary

550
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Speaker 1: Lou Henner talks about how a change she made and

551
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Speaker 1: her approach to auditioning completely opened up her career. I'm

552
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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here is the Thing.

553
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Speaker 1: Mary Lou Henner is passionate about encouraging people to take

554
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Speaker 1: charge of their happiness and well being. She's written several

555
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Speaker 1: best selling books on living a healthy lifestyle, often sharing

556
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Speaker 1: lessons that changed her own life.

557
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Speaker 3: What happened was I went with Jerry Katzman, who's the

558
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 3: head of William Morse at the time, he said, you

559
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: have to write a book. I'm hooking you up with

560
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: Judith Reagan. So Judith and I met at lunch and

561
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: we hung out together all day and everything. I had

562
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: a book deal, so I started working on my autobiography.

563
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: She is a character, and when she started her own imprint,

564
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: she said to me, you have to write a health

565
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Speaker 3: book because you're in such good shape of this. You

566
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: changed so much since blah blah blah. Every time I

567
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: have anything wrong with me my kids, I call you,

568
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: and you always seem to know the answer. So I

569
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: was doing the show Chicago on Broadway and one of

570
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: the guys said, oh, why don't you give us some lectures.

571
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: I was like okay. So in between shows, I would

572
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: do these seminars and I'd have a little, you know,

573
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: like recorder and I'd be, you know, talking to them,

574
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: and then I'd be putting on my eyelashes like the

575
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: evils of dairy products, you know, as I'm putting on

576
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: my eyelashes to go do roxy. And so then I

577
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: worked with somebody who was like a real crafts person

578
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: in terms of like books, and I was so revved

579
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Speaker 3: up from all the fossy, and my boys were very little,

580
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: so I could like give them a bath, go to

581
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Speaker 3: the theater, be revved up, go to an office and

582
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Speaker 3: work on the book. And a few weeks after the

583
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Speaker 3: show ended, the book came out and it went on

584
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Speaker 3: the New York Times bestseller list, and I've sold over

585
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: a million copies of that first health book. But then

586
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: got a contract to keep going and going and going,

587
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: so then I've done ton.

588
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Speaker 1: What's your biggest health concern? You know, growing up in

589
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: my lifetime, everybody was always saying, you know, don't smoke,

590
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: and then when I went through my drug phase, people

591
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: said you got to get sober and stop taking all

592
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Speaker 1: these drugs and drinking, which I've had a very relatively

593
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: brief but white hot period of that for a couple

594
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Speaker 1: of years in the eighties when I was very young,

595
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Speaker 1: and then as I've gotten older. You know, the thing

596
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: that shocks me that is the utter poison in my

597
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: life is sugar, because I was pre diabetic and now

598
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: I'm full diabetic, and which has been so for me

599
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and demoralizing for me. Yeah, what's your health concerns?

600
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: Now? Like, what do you say to yourself? I never eat.

601
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: I sometimes eat every now and then I cheat, and

602
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: I allow myself to eat. When you want to treat

603
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: yourself to something that you know isn't the best possible

604
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: thing for you, Is it something sweet?

605
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: Is something I'm a savory person. No, I would say

606
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: probably sushy is like my own, my last not so

607
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: guilty pleasure. Yeah. But I haven't had dairy since August fifteenth,

608
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine. It was a Wednesday I gave up

609
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: dairy and have never had dairy since. And it changed

610
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: my life. So I'm always trying to get people off

611
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: of dealer.

612
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: What was the impact other than sinuses and congestion?

613
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: You here, but well that's a lot, but you know,

614
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 3: sore throats and stomach aches all the time. When I

615
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: lived in New York, I'd live near zay Bars, and

616
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: I would go pick up cheese, and you know at

617
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: zay Bars where they'd cut the cheese a certain way

618
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: and the little rind and stuff. And I'd buy these

619
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: little cheese bags, cheese ends bags on my way to

620
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: unemployment and wondered, why am I not working when I'm fat,

621
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: constanpated and half impulse, you know, I mean, my whole

622
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: stomach changed after I gave up dairy.

623
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Speaker 1: I used to be an ice cream addict. I was

624
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: like Brando, And they say that brand would sit with

625
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: like a half a gallon of ice cream and watch

626
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: TV and you have like a big jug of ice

627
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: cream and lay in his bed and just with a

628
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: spoon and eat like a half a gallon of ice cream.

629
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Speaker 2: That wasn't that bad.

630
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But Darry is always the first thing I talk

631
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Speaker 3: to people about. Always, that's been on my that's my

632
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: soapbox speech. Immediately with people especially, I can read people's

633
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: faces and tell that they're like allergic to it or

634
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: something like that, or they've had trouble. But the big

635
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: killer right now, I think for everybody is the whole

636
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: stress management people. Really, you know, I say three things.

637
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: Learn to love the food that loves you. And we

638
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: know what doesn't love us. Learn to love the food

639
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: that loves you. It's very obviously what does Dairy did

640
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: not love me, Meat did not love me. Sugar does

641
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: not love meat, nor does it love you obviously, So

642
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: I say, learn to love the food that loves you.

643
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: I say, motion is the lotion, because we've got to move.

644
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: You know, your cat stretches, your dogs you walk your dogs.

645
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: Your hamster's got a wheel with this beautiful human animal.

646
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: You've got to walk, You got to do, you got

647
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: to move, move move. Motion is the lotion. And then

648
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: I also say, you better fall in love with your

649
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: stress or it's going to kill you. Because if I

650
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: give I go all over the country open.

651
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Speaker 2: Through stress, you better I can't fall in love with

652
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Speaker 2: my stress.

653
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Speaker 3: Got well, yeah, I mean it's but no, you have to,

654
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: I always say, because I give speeches all over the country,

655
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm always like asked to give you know, could go

656
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: to different things, seminars and stuff. And I always say,

657
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: if every one of you in this audience wrote down

658
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: your problems on a piece of paper and I collected

659
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: them and I started reading them out, and you had

660
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: to pick some problems that are on a list, you'd

661
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: all take back your own because you know the beast.

662
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: You know how to handle it. You just might not

663
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: be doing it well.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people whenever i'm especially when i'm speaking

665
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: to people in this profession. Number one, find out how

666
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: much you love acting itself, because you're going to get

667
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: to do so little of it. Oh, the life of

668
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: the actor is all this other bullshit. You know, the

669
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: rest of the year and you're in front of a

670
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: camera at what forty five minutes a day, an hour

671
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: a day. The rest is sitting in your room. You

672
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: do the show, it's two hours at night. If you're

673
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: inclined to do theater, and I said, you don't need

674
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: to find that how much you love it. And number two,

675
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: if you're in get into it. Don't do what I did,

676
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: which is to be like fuck la and fuck you

677
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: and I think you're all full of shit, and you

678
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: know this whole thing is just this business is full

679
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: of shit.

680
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: Be a part of it.

681
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Join the academy, go to the screening, be a part

682
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: of the business, and don't be cynical about it.

683
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: And if not, then get out.

684
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: Get out. I always say, if something, do it or

685
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: don't do it. If someone can talk you out of it,

686
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: let it, because otherwise you have to really really want

687
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: to do it. And also I always say to people,

688
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: look fall in love with auditioning because it might be

689
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: the only ten minutes you have that job. So if

690
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: you do it, you know what I mean, then it's

691
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: like your job for ten minutes. And maybe you remember.

692
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: All these people from the TV star shelf that we

693
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: always talk about Gregory Harrison, who did an interne Wants

694
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Speaker 1: to Change My Life Gregory Harris.

695
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean we did the Jack Nicholson and Margaret parts

696
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: in Carnal Knowledge at the Pasadena Playhouse. We played those parts,

697
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: so we saw each other naked in a shower.

698
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I'm sure you both look pretty good.

699
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: We do. We still do.

700
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Speaker 1: He did an interview once years ago, was a million

701
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: years ago, like TV guide or some stupid thing, and

702
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: he did an interview where he said, basically I'm paraphrasing,

703
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, his whole energy changed, his

704
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: whole career changed when he walked into auditions and his

705
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: attitude was like.

706
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: How can I help you? Like you called me here, right.

707
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: I didn't put a gun to your head and make you,

708
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: but it come to audition me for this part. I

709
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: have something you want? Yes, you're looking for something and

710
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: whether and once he stopped giving the energy of like

711
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: oh and being fawning and obsequious with them, everything changed.

712
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: It's so funny you're saying this because I tell a

713
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: story in my show again about how I auditioned for

714
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: forty commercials before I got one, and the reason I

715
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: find got Then I booked seventy two in two and

716
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: a half years. It was quite crazy. I was doing

717
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: commercials constantly, but it took me forty auditions to get

718
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: my first one because on the thirty ninth a friend

719
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: of mine called me and it was for mister Coffee.

720
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: I still remember the jingle and I had to sing it.

721
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: I was so wrong for the part, but he called

722
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: me in and he called me that night and he

723
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: said he knew I was having trouble with auditions, and

724
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: he said, are you this way the way you were

725
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: today with me in your auditions? And I went, oh,

726
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: my gosh, no, are you kidding. I was just so

727
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: myself because you were there. He said, we almost changed

728
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: the whole concept of the commercial because you were so original.

729
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: He said, that's what you have to do every time

730
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: you go into an audition. Stop giving people what you

731
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: think they want. Just go in there and it's going

732
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: to hit. It's going to hit. And he was right.

733
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: And then I booked one right after the other and

734
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: I became this body parts model and it was just

735
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: like crazy that I did a lot of different parts

736
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: of the body.

737
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: I was which parts of the body did you do there?

738
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 3: Which party this is in my show? I said, I

739
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: did four playtext broad commercials. It's got sash here and seamless,

740
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: two play text panties.

741
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: You were wearing a bra, you were a bra model.

742
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: I was a bra model, but sometimes I had like

743
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: a shirt on, you know, and you could see certain things.

744
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: But it was just like I'm exactly. And then I

745
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: did two play text panties commercials or all you saw

746
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: was my butts.

747
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: And these were separate commercials, separate. The bra and the

748
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: panties were two.

749
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Speaker 1: There were separate shoots because if I was the producer,

750
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Speaker 1: that's what I would have said, and we need to

751
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: shoot these separately, and we need to shoot them over five.

752
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Days or and I did do yes. And then I said,

753
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: but all you see is my button, my crotch, walking

754
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: my dog, walking around Lincoln Center, getting on a bus.

755
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: Both the polaroids when you walk into the audition for

756
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: a panties commercial, it's amazing because you see all these

757
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: polarids of just people's crotches and butts and side views

758
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: and everything else. And then I was even the Fruit

759
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: of the Loom panty host girl inside of a giant

760
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: apple with my legs sticking out, and so I did

761
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: like different carts. But then I also did like I

762
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: did an exce on Bicentennial Minute where I played Annie Sullivan.

763
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: I got a Cleon nomination for that. And I did

764
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: everything from Reese's peanut butter to gleam toothpaste, so many

765
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: different times. I was the Ponderosa Steakhouse girl, the samson

766
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: I luggage girl. So I just kept doing it and

767
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: doing it and doing it because every time and I

768
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: learned this the heart. I mean, I learned the hard way.

769
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: You walk in and you'd bring something to it, like

770
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: Gregory says, how can I help you? Let me show

771
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: you something like I would do with it.

772
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: But what did you study at you Chicago? You studied theater.

773
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: No, they had a theater department, but they had no

774
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: theater degree. So even though did you take so, I No,

775
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: I was a political science major and so in the

776
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: first two years is mostly the core curriculum.

777
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 2: So where did you learn to sing and dance?

778
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Well? I grew up in the dancing studio and I

779
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: always sang because my two older sisters were in choir

780
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So I'd go to their practices

781
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it was just something I always wanted,

782
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: you know. I was on stage at two and a

783
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: half at a father Gym, was the.

784
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Lead in Chicago, like a pinnacle for you? Was that

785
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: a big dream country?

786
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: That was a big gena. They called me on March

787
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: the four, nineteen ninety seven, Walter, whom I knew from

788
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: the Greece family, and they called me and they said

789
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: Annie Ranking is leaving Chicago and she thinks she'd be

790
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: a good replacement. What kind of dance shape are you in?

791
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: And I said, ooh, I haven't had my legs up

792
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: over my head except for childbirth or a good weekend

793
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: for about five years, so I better get my ass

794
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: back into class. So I went to class for ten

795
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: days and then I went to audition and then he

796
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: said go home, work on the fosse, and I did.

797
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: And I went back and there were like twenty seven

798
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: potential actors in the room and they kept eliminating, eliminating

799
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: until they told me I had the job. So I

800
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: did four hundred and eight performance, four hundred and eight

801
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: performance on Broadway Broadway, but I also did Vegas because

802
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: they asked me to come to Vegas and I was like, no,

803
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to go to Vegas. And then my

804
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: agent said, well, let's have some fun with your quote.

805
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: And then he called me back. He said, they made

806
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: you an offer you can't refuse. You're going to Vegas.

807
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, So I went to Vegas. But

808
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: my favorite Vegas story because people always said, what's the

809
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: difference between Broadway and Vegas? Although it's not this anymore,

810
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: I'd say, oh, yeah, cup holders, because back then you

811
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: could this was ninety nine. In two thousand you couldn't.

812
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: You could drink in Vegas, but you couldn't do it

813
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: on Broadway. So I'd been there two weeks and they

814
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: said we love you here. I said, really, you've seen

815
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: the show and I was like all excited and he said, no,

816
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the show yet, but your crowd drinks

817
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: a lot more Belvedere than most people. Okay, we love Belvedere.

818
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never forget.

819
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Someone was connected to like one of these big phizzy

820
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: musicals and they were doing like some kind of a

821
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: cast replacement, and they wanted all this stunt casting with

822
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: somebody famous, and this actress walks into audition for the

823
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: lead role.

824
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: She's this famous.

825
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: Actress and she comes in and she does her audition

826
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: and she leaves and everyone's just kind of standing there

827
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: slack Jode after she leaves, and the director turns over

828
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: and goes, she can't sing, she can't dance, she can't act.

829
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: She's a star, you know, like we're going to hire her,

830
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: even though she gets a D.

831
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Or an F in all three categories based on what

832
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: they saw there in that room that day.

833
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: It's so funny because there's all these stories that you

834
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: know that sort of shape your life, like that one.

835
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: You know, and you just write, you hear it and

836
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: you understand it and you know it right away. When

837
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: I was first on taxi, somebody at ABC cany he goes,

838
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: I've got a movie for you, Mary Lou. I said, really,

839
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: what is it? And he said sizzle? I said, what's

840
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: it about? He said, who cares sizzle? So Johnny and

841
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: I always used to say we would like joking like

842
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: people were like, you know, who cares sizzle? You know,

843
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: it's just that thing that you do.

844
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author Mary Lou Henner. If

845
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: you're enjoying this conversation, be sure to subscribe to Here's

846
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: the Thing on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever.

847
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: You get your podcasts.

848
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: When we return, Mary Lou Henner talks about finding lasting

849
00:37:47,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: love the third time around. I'm Alec Baldwin and this

850
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: is Here's the thing. Mary Lou Henner recently developed and

851
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: performed a one woman autobiographical show. It's filled with songs

852
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: and stories from her remarkable life.

853
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: I sing a song about my sons and show a

854
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: video of like pictures of them and little videos. Oh

855
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: it kills me every time if I watch it, I'll

856
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: cry just thinking about it. I cry. And it's a

857
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: mash up between nick of Time because you know it's

858
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: funny Nicky took me three and a half years to

859
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: get pregnant Joe, like immediately I didn't even get my period.

860
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: It was like bam, I'm pregnant again. So and so

861
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: I do nick of Time and happiness is just a

862
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: thing called Joe and that's it. And also I sing

863
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: a song about Freddie, my first husband. I do Desperado

864
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: because that's kind of who he was in my life.

865
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: And that song always gets to me too. So it's

866
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: like telling some of those type stories and talking about

867
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: Bird was very emotional to a couple of times. So

868
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: it depends, you know, it depends on the crowd.

869
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: When you come and you're gonna camp, bet he is

870
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: your husband going to come with you?

871
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. That's he's another whole story.

872
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: You know.

873
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: We wrote a book. We got together. He was my

874
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: roommate's boyfriend. I didn't dare twinkle in his direction. But

875
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: then when he called me out of nowhere, six months

876
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: after my divorce from Rob was final, we got together.

877
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: Within a week. We're saying I love you, We're going

878
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: to spend the rest of our lives together. And two

879
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: months later he's diagnosed with two cancers, bladder cancer and

880
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: lung cancer. And we ended up doing a whole protocol

881
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: for him that didn't involve chemo or radiation. They wanted

882
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: to remove his bladder, his prostate, run a hose up

883
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: his penis, and we could pump it up six times

884
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: if we wanted to have sex. They were pushing all

885
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: of this. I was like, no, and we always say.

886
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: He's done with the penis pump by the way, he finished, do.

887
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: It for fun. No, he doesn't need the pump at all. No,

888
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: my husband, thanks, No, no, not at all. He saved

889
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: all of his organs. He saved his organs and he's

890
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: been in remission. It'll be eighteen years November the twenty fourth.

891
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: It's pretty remarkable. And he didn't he did immuno therapy,

892
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: but he went completely vegan, and he went got rid

893
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: of I mean he did every He shot himself with iscador,

894
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: which is extract of missiletoe. He got rid of all

895
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: of the mercury fillings in his Mouthculation therapy, high colonic

896
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: lymphatic massages, infrared saunas, and he stays on this protocol

897
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: and he has been in remission almost eighteen years. It's

898
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: pretty remarkable, you know, pretty cool.

899
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: When I went to the doctor and he was going

900
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: to do the anterior hip replacement process, and he says

901
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: to me, now, I want to just review with you

902
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: that you know that that when you do the anterior procedure,

903
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: when we go in the front as opposed to the side,

904
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: it's the quickest to heal. But there are some complications.

905
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Is like point zero two percent that we're going to

906
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: nick some nerves in there. There's some material to it,

907
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: which I said, what nerve? He took his finger and

908
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: he went like this, no, And I turned to her

909
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: mind and said, oh you can just tear that out,

910
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: just with that.

911
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: Nerve right down. I'm done. You can just yank there,

912
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: get a pair of pliers and.

913
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: Come on you. And we have an expression in my

914
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: family PF. Okay, we have this expression. My brothers and

915
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: I made it up and it's like measures the sexual

916
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: cuotient of things like, oh man, there was so much

917
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: PF at that party, or man I saw that movie.

918
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: No PF between the two of them. And PF stands

919
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: for pussy factor or penis factor, right, because things have PF,

920
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: you know. And I don't like BD for big dick

921
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: energy because that is sexist and sizest, do you know

922
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: what I mean? But you and Hilaria obviously have tons

923
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: of PF. Obviously six kids, but you still want to

924
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: have You're still gonna have PF.

925
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: Even I don't want you.

926
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to retire from that, but yeah, please,

927
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: but six kids, it's really been. It's been like a

928
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: student six and eight years is six kids in seven years.

929
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: Seven years and seven years old. Oh that's right, seven years.

930
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: You know.

931
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this day, but we

932
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: were all all the kids because Ireland is close to

933
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: my Joey's age. He's born November twelfth, nineteen ninety five.

934
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: So she's like the So we were all at a

935
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: meet because Joey was like the real athlete in the family.

936
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: But Joey was at this meet and Caitlyn Jenner was

937
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: there and her kids and you know, Ireland and my

938
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: Joey and they were all doing their sports thing. And

939
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: you walked up to my son Nick, who is about

940
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: thirteen at the time, fourteen at the time, and you said,

941
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: and what are you going to be besides the Ralph

942
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: Lauran model? Because he's very cute.

943
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: What does he doing now?

944
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: He's a director. He's a director. He went to Columbia

945
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: and he directs all these videos. And he directed this

946
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: short that has now been bought by Will Ferrell's company

947
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: and he's turned it into a two hour movie and

948
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: he might be directing it, we'll see. But it looks good.

949
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: Can I just say what my son Joey's doing too?

950
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: Because he's yes, okay, because I said about Nick. So

951
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: Joey lives in Brooklyn. He does his improv troupe that

952
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: they do whatever. But he's an international bridge player. He's

953
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: one of the top bridge players in the world under

954
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: twenty five, and he became a life master at twenty four.

955
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: And he has all these women that he plays bridge

956
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: with and they pay a lot of money to play

957
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: with him because he's so cute. And he's writing a

958
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: script called Bridge Jigglow because I'm a comedy writer and

959
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: I have a director. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I'm sure.

960
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: Telling telling me should read Jonathan Ames's book The Extra

961
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: Man that was made into a film with Kevin Klein

962
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: and Paul Dano, and that's your son, the Paul Danel.

963
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: He is a character because because it's about a boy

964
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: that meets like a guy who's like a who's like

965
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: a walker.

966
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: He's like a male prostitute, and he doesn't necessarily sleep

967
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: with the women.

968
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: But he's like he like takes old of these old

969
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: biddies to like Palm Beach, Cotillions and all the ship.

970
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that my son is talking about them as

971
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: old biddies because you know, someone.

972
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: Who know not his not his bridge part.

973
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

974
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, my love to you, and I look forward to

975
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: seeing you in New York.

976
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: Okay, and you're killed one. Sometimes it's called Mary Lou.

977
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 3: I know, so I forgot that.

978
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I know we literally they my wife calls are Mary Lou.

979
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: I know she does Maria Luthia, but my wife calls

980
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: her Mary.

981
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: Lou, daughter Mary.

982
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: It's on the back of her little.

983
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: I know.

984
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: See I pay attention.

985
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Well.

986
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: My name is Mary, Lucy, Denise, ce Celia, Hannah Forrest,

987
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: Lieberman Brown, good Luck vision and heat.

988
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: Good on that share I love to use, Sweetie.

989
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down the road, okay. Actress and

990
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: author Mary Lou Henner. This episode was produced by Kathleen Russo,

991
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Speaker 1: Carrie Donahue, Maureen Hoben, and Zach McNeese. Our engineer is

992
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: Frank Imperial. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the thing is brought

993
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: to you by iHeart Radio.