WEBVTT - Georgia Anne Muldrow 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.680 The Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.560 Ladies and gentlemen. This is the Quest Left Show. I'm 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.960 your host, Quest Love. I became familiar with our guest 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.200 I want to say two thousand and four, two thousand 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.040 and five, back when. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.239 Air quote that site was in full bloom. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.920 Her demo was making the rounds and I forgot who 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.479 put me onto it, And all I can say is 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:52.400 that I when I was flabbergasted. I mean, you know, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.120 she did a majority of the production, the writing, the 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.200 recording by herself, so instantly, like my antennas went up, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:04.360 and you know, I listened to it. I mean, now 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.640 we're you know, we're in an age where everything is 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:12.520 streamed and there's SoundCloud, and there's ways to access records 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.360 without the help of a major label. But you know, before, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.560 you know, two thousand and seven, that was hard. So 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.600 you know, basically I just had a burnt CD and 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.759 I mean I would sleep to it. That's pretty much 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.320 my obsession to it. Of course, when I heard from 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.360 her next her debut LP, She's part of the Stone's 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.919 Throw community. Since then, she has literally collaborated with I'll 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.760 be here all day if I'd say the artist I 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:48.360 mean either Brittany Howard, Brian Jackson, Anderson Pac, Lotus Badu, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.200 Yasim Bay, everyone, everyone but the roots. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.400 And I gotta change that quickly. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:59.400 And I'm certain that she's tired of hearing this, but yeah, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.800 she's the pioneer of the term stay woke. As we 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.640 celebrate Women's History Month, this is a person who makes 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.800 history every day. You can check out her new album, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:15.040 Electrical Field of Love by her band Harriet Tubman, and 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.480 we're going to talk about that and her journey, she 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.600 what makes her tick. Georgia and Moldrew, thank you so 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.079 much for coming on the show. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:22.520 How are you? 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.280 I'm related quest Love. We've known each other a long 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:32.280 time and I love you. I love your sister, don Tie. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.400 She's the GM of a being. Yes, she's just a 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.200 wonderful big sister to have, So thanks for sharing her 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.600 with me, you know, I mean, just thank you for 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.640 you know, when I think about just the roots, you know, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.480 like when I think about just I can't tell you 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.240 how many permission slips I got from listening to you 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.600 guys about you know how to mix creatively? Really, yeah, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.440 I mean I think so for sure. I remember, like 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.000 listening to you guys records and going like I'm anna 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.960 note in people. Those are my people. I'm like, no, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.160 that's my family. I'm ready to listen and be like, no, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.400 I know, I'm going to talk to them one day. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.480 I want to speak with these people. Are gonna understand 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.320 what it did I'm doing. And it was never like 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.440 nothing ambitious. It was like really from like the glow 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.520 of It's like that native tongue's glow. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:21.880 You know. 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.040 It's like, well, you're a manifesto. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.800 Yeah you knew you was a part of the music. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.360 Yeah, thank you. It's weird, you know. I listen. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.240 I mean, you have over twenty albums and probably more 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.960 than twenty albums, and it's a lot. I listened to you, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:45.080 and I don't feel like I'm doing enough, like I'd 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.600 like to think that I'm a hard worker, but you're 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.240 definitely leading that charge. So I got to learn from you. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.280 So my first question to you is what is your 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.840 first musical memory. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.480 My first musical memory is honestly hearing my dad play 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.240 Giant Steps on guitar every morning, so it was like 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.600 my ABC's and depending on how he played, let me 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.280 know if I should stay in a corner somewhere, so 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.440 I don't get like, like himmed up you feel me 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.359 or like I can tell he if he's jovial or 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.360 if he's upset, or if he's angry. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.040 Or is you know, based on how he solo. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.880 So it was I had to understand because like, you know, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.520 the song b like but on the jazz guitar, not 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.480 plugged into nothing, so you got to listen in close, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.960 so like you know, it's like a you know, like 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.599 a big body. You know the L five, you know 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.799 with Gibson Joint and you know the West Montgomery Special, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.920 and you know, my dad's really from south side Chicago. Really, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.080 you know, listen to me. Listen to West Montgomery, you know, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.000 and that gen Ammons you feel me like all of it. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:05.440 And that's my first memory is listening, okay, to see 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.559 see what kind of day we're gonna have as a whole, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.520 to see what kind of day we're gonna have. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.919 What does your house look like as in your childhood? 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.080 Do you have siblings your domestic situation? 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.279 Yeah, yeah, I got older brother, Stephen. Like my early 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.039 childhood is my mom, my dad, and my brother. Okay, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:26.960 small little house in La. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.400 What does your mom do my mom's. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:34.000 A singer songwriter too. She's amazing, you know. Actually her 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:39.560 first record was on Music Records and it's called slow 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.920 Down Baby. Yeah, what did this come out? I think 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.520 in seventy life. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.479 Seventy five and what's her name. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.400 At that time? It said Ricky Boga Okay, Ricky bo Yeah, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.680 Ricky Boga. And but you know, you'll see it. It's 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.039 a big old fro somebody who looked like kind of 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.320 look like me. I think that that's an important record 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.800 to check out quest because I didn't hear this till 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.120 after all the worth nothing stuff and all this kind 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.480 of stuff. But it's like real epigenetic stuff because the 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.080 way she's taking like she's banking all the chords and 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.320 it's like too many chords for one song, and like 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.480 time stops and all this kind of stuff in her arrangements. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.920 And it's produced by Howard Johnson who played Toogle with 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:30.440 mingas Lot. Yeah, yeah, real for real, My mom's actually 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.120 go there. Like actually like she played in Rollanhanna New 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.880 York Jazz Quartet. She played with Pharaoh Sanders, played keys 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.760 with Pharaoh like and for the record, like with Philis 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.719 Simon on it. Because when she didn't feel like touring 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.400 almost playing Yeah, she's playing keys and the ensemble everything, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.920 singing and playing keys with Pharaoh. So it's just like 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.640 on both sides, it's like that, you know. And I 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.000 think another thing too is just like my mom just 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.240 with the Women's History Month of black Stuff. You know, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.160 it's just like the fallout from the disco era, how 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.080 that affected a lot of black singer songwriters, you know, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.320 where it's like you have people like lower Nero, she 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.440 could break through, but then there was a lot of 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.880 people like the songwriting sisters was kind of co worse 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.160 to make dance records or they was gonna get signed. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.880 I mean like getting literally told during those years, you know, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.400 we're not signing nobody who's thinking right now it's love 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.680 to love you baby, or you need to like go 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.720 work at a at a restaurant. So my mom, my 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.320 mom didn't respond to that was be like a piano 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.320 bar hustler, you know, and you know do it like that. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:37.720 M h. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.400 Yeah. I was gonna say for that time period, probably 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.280 an occasional Joan armor trading could get inside miracle. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.040 It's a miracle, but yeah, I mean Joan arbitrating is 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:55.600 like parallel universe. Right, occasionally the Russell is a miracle 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.440 at this point, like as far as like when you 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.400 talk about racism and the used to business and things 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.880 like that. You know, it's like have you heard Jones 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.120 latest record? 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.200 You know what people are talking about this and I 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.400 have to peep it. Yes, No, she went in. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.760 She got some stuff on there. You know, I love 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.760 Joning a lot. I'm seriously a Jon Chad family real. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.160 I love her work. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.640 Wait where are you right now? 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.040 Like I love the blue red juxtaposition of this interview. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.160 It's funny because whatever's happening in the camera is making 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.120 its own decision about what it wants you to see. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.760 So right now I'm in my avatar, I'm my avatar era, 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.680 but it's still just the red lights above. So it's like, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.679 I don't know, something shifting gotch but yeah, but this 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.640 is this is my mom's arriety. This is where I 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.320 record at. This is my little, my little two door 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.520 recording studio. It's a little ten of love. You know. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.600 The lights are always this moody so that you can create. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.400 Yeah, because you know, I need the disco light because 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.040 it's my favorite color is disco lights. 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.920 Nice your whole house is designed like this. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.000 Nope, okay up here, but gotch you Diceral lights is 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.400 like it's where my I could hear all the music. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.839 It's like because I'm synesthetic very much, and it works 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.200 in reverse too, so like when it's going around, I'm like, hey, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:17.240 and you're like reverse engineering, you know, you know it's. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.200 Like and you know, I always wanted to take this 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:25.360 test with a fellow because I'm also synesthesia and I 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.680 see songs in colors when I hear. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.400 Them, So I want to try this test on you 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.080 to see if we see it the same. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.240 All right, I'm going to pick the most common album 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.800 of all time, which I would like to think that 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.640 you've heard Thriller at least five times in. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:43.520 Your life, have you? 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.240 Of course? Yeah? 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.040 So what color is going to be starting something to 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.760 you when you hear it? 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.920 I have to go through a little bit. Yeah, definitely, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.400 I'm definitely getting like these colors, the blue, like definitely, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.280 it's it's definitely cool neon greens, but when the guitar 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.559 comes in, it's more like there's more neon reds. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.000 And then when different parts come in, you see different colors. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.680 Yes, And with that pepper into the landscape because what 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.960 happens to me is that there's a whole sonic image 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.400 that begin to create. So the first thing I see 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.959 is a mirrored floor, like first, okay, there's a lot 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.960 of black toobes. It's like black with illumined It's like tron. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.880 It's like, really, okay, I see light blue for some reason. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:39.200 I see it as a daytime light blue, like the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.000 sky blue. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.600 That's really good. That's really good for. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.360 The song after Baby be Mine. What color do you see? 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.440 Definitely pink? Orange, pink? 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.600 Get it's weird. Do I see orange? Okay, only because 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.120 I see rock with view as orange and that's the 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.640 second so I say that, all right, So the girl 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.240 is mine? What color do you see? 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.120 I don't nothing, just that I don't know. I don't 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.160 know what song with color. That song is white. I 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:21.440 don't know. I just oh the song white. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.640 Okay, all right, I. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:25.679 See I don't believe. I don't know, like because it's 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.920 weird because with my synesthesia it's like it's land too. 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.040 It's like I see objects, you know, like yeah, so 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.560 like say like a certain snare like I started I 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.240 started seeing like if it sounds metallic, like a certain 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.280 kind of snare, like you know, like the hip hop 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.960 head style. You know, yes, it'll be like a whole 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.719 gauntlet like you know, like and then like the I 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.840 had to be like swords like that. So it's like 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.880 it all depends. Sometimes it's sometimes a high hat is 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:01.000 like a scimitar, that's like an age rest you know. Color. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.480 Sometimes it's like a bright you know what I mean. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.040 So it's like it's those kinds of things too. I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.720 really do get objects too. I think Baby Be Mine 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.839 would probably, I don't know. It's just white too. It's 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.680 just khaki. I don't know how I feel. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.760 The girl's mind is the girl of mine. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.440 Not baby Mine. I like Baby be Mine, but it's 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:21.400 just khaki pants. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.920 See. I see Grace Skies only because because I was 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.320 alive in real time when that album came out, I 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.240 was coming on from school and it was raining, and 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.760 they premiered it on the radio. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.319 So I forever with that. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.760 So when you hear Thriller the title cut, what color 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:42.400 do you see? 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.760 Or does the video already influence what you see? 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.520 No, Because the first time I heard Thriller was at 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.240 my Grandmama's house on vinyl. I was like I had 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.559 nothing to do, so like video, the videos didn't mean 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.679 nothing because you know, I was in North Carolina at 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.559 my grandma's house and just like in the corner. So yeah, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.960 I think I don't know the go go go Google. Interesting, 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.280 all of them have this neon thing to him. To me, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.520 just because of Cozy Jon mixing, like the profile he 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.400 had on his production. It's like there is very much 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.680 everything is like on Thriller. I feel like the cover 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.920 matches the way it sounds so well, you know what 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.439 I'm saying, because like cover, Yeah. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.160 So the white, the black and the. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.680 It's a lot of black. It's like a lot of black. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.280 But then just these like the airbrush you know what 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.520 I mean, airbrush glow in the dark like and so 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.880 I think Thriller the goo goo gee goos. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.720 Have you ever spoken to Jill Scott about music? Jill 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.400 Scott is the only other person I know that will 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.920 literally describe like she'll go up to a musician. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.760 Be like mm mmm, I need more more blue, give me. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.400 Blue, yeah, and like what the hell's blue? 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.880 So I've definitely done that in a gig. I've definitely 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.559 done that in a gig where I just call out 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.240 start calling out colors, definitely do that. But I but 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.839 I find that it's better to call out weather than 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.920 colors because whether it's like more of a collective thing, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.160 you know, like the milanocytes have it give you some 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.400 type of like measuring tool with milanocytes and and such. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:30.560 You know. But but with synesthesia, there's people who I 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.400 know who are synesthetic, but the way they see colors different. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.120 Like a perfect example is L's e. He's synesthetic and 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.920 that's why he's like completely really anal about his takes 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.560 because he wants to make sure all the colors match, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.880 and he wanted to make sure that the contrast that 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.080 he has even his vocal range, like the melody he 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:55.000 finds over the beat is like creating enough compliment. He's 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.440 serious about that. And he was one of the people 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.640 that we see the same. He's like, yo, most of 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.400 your So that was a mad orange yoke. I was like, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.840 I know, he's like, you got any more blue songs? 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.720 And say, yeah, a few of them, but those are 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.520 the ones that tend to be more of the techno 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.080 like like kind of like as of house sonic value, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.680 you know what I mean. But I love to have 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.840 a lot of rais in my music, like solar, the 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.920 solar sound, you know, And the perfect example for like 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:27.880 a solar sound would be ray a is anything exactly okay, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.000 you know, like everybody loves the sunshine. The reason why 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.920 I work, I think the reason why the song works 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.040 so well is because it sounds like the sun. You know. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.440 George Duke has a lot of solar jams too. Very solar, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.800 you know, like so prepare yourself, you know, or mint tests, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.960 you know, whichever one. It's like, it's just very this 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.280 rays of sun, you know, Earth wind and fire is 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.880 very solar, you know. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:49.800 I see that. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.760 Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna skip thriller and I'm gonna 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.040 ask you a deeper question, what is your favorite key? 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.240 Haa? It changes, it changes, and then it's funny because 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.000 people wrote to me like, Okay, she's gonna jam and 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:03.560 D again. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.720 Z your go to DZ, your go to thing. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.880 I jammed in D for so long. I don't know, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.480 I think right now. I love G. I love G, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.000 I love F Shop, I love I love F for 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.480 a lot. I don't know. It just kind of tilt 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:21.800 the head forward a little bit. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.280 I have a least favorite key I want to know 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:29.920 if this is the same. You know what C sharp 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.920 minor is one of the hartists. Okay, So the way 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:39.480 that I DJ is I DJ every song in Keys. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.720 Yeah you do the keys, yeah, uh huh. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:46.080 And for some reason I noticed that the songs that 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:47.920 people do the key and the least is in C 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.760 sharp for some reason, and prop like, my favorite all 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.400 time C sharp minor song is seven seven seven ninety 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:01.040 three eleven, but it's rare. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.359 Besides that, I don't know it's for me. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.320 I feel like C sharp minors is the redheaded stepchild 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:09.159 of Keys. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.840 So I think you ain't never lied. I think you 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.720 ain't never lie, you know. I feel like people like 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:20.600 Solami Rose Joe Lewis definitely lives there, like she really 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.240 be composed there. But that's why she starts from I think. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.160 And then also you're reminded me of Pocket Queen how 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.240 she plays the mess out of that pattern. Pocket Queen 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.159 played it, and she played it her own way. I 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.160 feel like that's so difficult to do. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.359 It took me the longest and then you know, I 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.480 mastered it at eleven and then my dad's bass player 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.000 told me that that's a drum machine and I was 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.679 just like, oh, what's a drum machine? 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:56.720 I had no clue. We mutate speak on it, we do. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.919 Just I mean, I just love that. I mean I 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.800 really absolutely love that. Like there's it's almost like when 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.600 Jimmy he and Jix was like, yo, man, they playing 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.200 my mistakes. Man, I don't know they even copying the 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.359 mistakes I made. You know, It's like I feel like 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.240 that's the thing where it's just like if you take 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.080 everything at face value and you say, well, that's what's 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.840 going on. Like for me, like when I first heard 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.520 Public Enemy, I thought that I didn't know about sampling 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.040 at all. All I knew was musicians. So I was 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:22.760 thinking at that. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:23.760 You thought that was real? 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.639 That was yeah, Like because I was little like you 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.000 know what I'm saying, I'm going any three like I 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:29.600 was going to ask. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.320 I was like, I hope you don't mind me asking 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:31.879 what you were you? 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:32.399 Wow? 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.720 So you experienced Public Enemy at like five and. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.840 Six as a musical like, and I'm going like, that's 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.320 how music should sound, you know what I mean, Hank Shock, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.119 I'm going like, this is amazing. And they got somebody going, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.560 they got somebody in it and go whoa like it's 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.160 just like all this is I'm thinking like it's Duke 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.399 Ellington or something. I'm thinking like it's like you know 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.040 what I'm saying. Like, but if that didn't hit me 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.200 like that, I wouldn't be this kind of musician. I 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.760 wouldn't be this kind of composer. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.080 You spoke of your grandmother's house in North Carolina. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:18.960 Where were you born? 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.119 I was born in Los Angeles, California. Okay, I'm a 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:24.280 child in mid city. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.560 Okay, So you would visit your grandma? Okay, I thought 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:28.920 you were my grandma. 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:35.320 My MAM's North Carolina. Ye city, Charlotte, Okay, Charlotte, No Carolina, Yeah, Charlotte, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:36.000 North Carolina. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.280 I almost feel as though you're so musically immersed that 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.760 this might be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.960 Okay, there's not no dumb questions, just the one you 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:45.760 don't know answer to. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.879 Okay, So what TV show would you say to find 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.080 your childhood? 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.199 Oh my god, I mean definitely Reading Rainbow, Reading Rainbow. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:20:01.040 I'm PBS baby for show b p b ask. So 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.840 this is like definitely mysterizes, definitely all the loving kindness, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.240 but also there's a video I kept I would rint 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.399 all the time, and it was be somebody or to 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.000 be somebody's food by mister T. And I feel like 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.720 mister T is like my hero role model. He's really 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.680 my role model for real, for real. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.720 Like you purchased the Mister T Commandments album in eighty four. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.880 The nope, I was only one years old time out. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:30.959 I don't know. I didn't know you have a record. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.679 Like now I'm about to lose my mind, Like what 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.520 do you mean. I have an at I have an 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.520 eighteen shirt, but I don't have no Mister T record. 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.560 There's more my mother, no other. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:47.639 He performed the T's Commandment on Soul Train, Yes I was. 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.760 I'll send it to you, Yes, I'll send it to you. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.640 I often find that people born after me, like eighties 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.040 babies and on. If I say to them like you, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.520 they'll say, oh, but I was two years old then, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.760 And I'm like, man, when I was born, I had 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.800 to listen to Duke Ellington records at the age of 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:08.960 two and study them things. 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.480 But I did too. I did too. But I'm just saying, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.560 like my parents, I was the vanguard of the Mister 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.879 T aesthetic in my home. You feel me? 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:20.720 Uh, They weren't into that. 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.399 They wasn't on that, like like the only rap song 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.280 my dad can condone was the message. He was like, 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.440 now he's rapping for his life. Now that that's a 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.280 rap record. Now that and puts they loved jigs Chase 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.160 it all like all that shit, you know what I'm saying, right, 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.800 Like I inherited who DENI like we're on the side 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.040 of who DEENI we had beef with drun DMC as 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.840 a home like that. I knew that from like the 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:46.240 musicians side of stuff. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.000 What's your age difference between you and your brother? 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.640 A year? A year and some change, like a year 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.200 and a few months, like yeah, like seventeen months apart. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.000 Okay, did you have like an older cousin or someone 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.159 older that put you onto Oh yeah. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.320 All the way. So like my cousin DJG he like 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.159 I call him like bumble Bee from like you know, 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.720 the Transformers. So his mixtapes were very neurosaucy. So it's 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:16.159 like every other second like he used the records to 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.080 actually say what he wanted to say, you know, DJ 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.320 and behind the back all that kind of stuff, you 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.000 know what I mean. So I definitely had a plug 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.080 into like hip hop and stuff like that. But as 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.720 far as getting exposed to like music outside of Canniball, 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.600 Adelie Art, Blake Key or my mom at the time 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:36.800 was just so into her own compositions, you know what 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.560 I'm saying, or outside of train. My mom's ear was 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.880 very eclectic. So it'd be like Biden mcfharri and Sally 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:48.200 Kate to Diane Reeves, James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, Mahelia Jackson 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.879 kind of thing, like a mixed bag of like a 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.320 very limited amount of records that we listened to all 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.159 the time. And then like my dad would be like 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:02.920 a more extensive collection of music that'd be like very 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.000 straight ahead like post bop. And then you know him 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.560 playing with Eddie Harris and everything for such a long time. 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.919 What was your father's name, Ronald Muldrow? Okay, and he 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.640 played with Eddie Harris. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.240 Uh huh yeah, like part of the usual suspects game, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.240 you know, playing all the guitar like from records like 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:27.080 Turbulence to his Hand to Carnival like I need some money, 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.920 you know, all those records. Yeah, word, he's on all 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:31.240 of them. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.200 Wait, what year didn't they join join? 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.800 Like I think it was shortly after the last McCann, 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.399 like right after I think it was right after the 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:43.080 Swiss movement. Then he was in there, so like they innovated, 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.199 like the funk jazz stuff together. So my dad was 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:47.240 playing all that stuff. 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.240 I have your dad playing live on Soul Train in 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.760 nineteen seventy four with Eddie. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.600 Harris and they did this incredible dance thing. 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:01.080 They do this African Oh my god, okay, ladies and gentlemen, 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.600 I'm sorry, I had to take it. 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:05.480 When she mentioned her father, I was like. 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.880 Wait a minute, you can tell her with my dad, right, 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:08.520 you could. 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:14.760 Tell Oh, my god, that is your father. Shit, that 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:15.680 is crazy. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.600 Okay the last time. Okay, So this is what you're 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:19.439 gonna know about me. 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.399 Soul Train is the air I breathe and the blood 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:30.480 in my veins. I religiously watch this show and being 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:34.000 as though I have a new form of expression that 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.840 people have just discovered in the last five years. One 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.359 of the myths that I would like to dispel about 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.960 Soul Training is the fact that they're like, well, people 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.320 don't play live on there. People do play live on 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:51.919 Soul Train. Probably one of the rarest moments where a 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.200 jazz group gets to flex their muscles on Soul Train 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.000 is where Paddy Harris was on Oh my god, I 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.080 can't believe that you're f okay yeah man. 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.240 And the guitar gan it's something that he had invented, 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.840 like you know, so they were like tinkerers, like you 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.199 know him and like that was really Eddie Harris is 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.679 like the fairy god father for me. He was like 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.280 a very grandfather. I grew up knowing him and what 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.720 were like, you know, that's why we would talk, you know, 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.360 he'd be like, what about you know. 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.800 This explains everything about you now everything. 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.080 Yeah, when you when you said epigenetics, Now I get it. 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:32.520 They get it. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.200 Oh my god, I'm so glad. This is how I'm 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:35.720 finding out. 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.560 Can I ask you one thing, to ask you what's 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:40.960 your favorite soul chain thing? 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:47.080 The only answer and shout out to uh dj Nick Fresh, 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.080 who hates when I say this. 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.440 O'Brien's nineteen. 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:58.560 Yeah, oh Baker, no no, no, no, no, you're doing the Hollywood, 0:25:58.760 --> 0:25:59.760 you're doing the disco. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:14.440 Okay, So O'Brien didn't want yes, yes, yeah, no, no, 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.919 that's my favorite too, O'Brien. O'Brien did it. Yeah, but 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.440 this is my second. That's the second one. 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.520 I like, got you, got you. 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:24.879 My second, but my favorite O'Brien too. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.240 You're alright, all right, yeah, you are right to tell 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:35.200 me this much. What is your morning routine? What's the 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.239 first thing you do in the half hour of your 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:38.240 day every morning? 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.600 I go like, I kind of gasp because I got 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:50.360 another one. Yeah, okay, it's not over yet. And then 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:55.880 I take time that that blow my mind in a while. Okay, yeah, 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.840 thank god, I feel. I take time to feel life 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:03.600 online around me, you know, I could feel the network 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:08.360 of life. And then by that time, you know, it's 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.840 tea time, so I have some a nice cup of tea. 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.200 I spend most of my morning pretty much non vocal 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.320 if I can, and I find that when I do that, 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.280 I'm better regulated for the all the way into the evening. 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:27.160 But if I start talking too soon, I become very 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.919 oversimilated for most of the day. So it's definitely I 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.680 take time to just cool and hum. And even as 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.400 we talk right now, it's like, Bebop's my first language, 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.840 you know, just because of all of the giant step stuff, 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.880 it's actually my first language. So like, I take time 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.440 just to be bop. You know, just to be bop, 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:51.800 just to be, and that's how I pray and be bop, 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:57.800 you know, And yeah, I just be, you know, take 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.480 time to just be that way and then that way. 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.760 It might be like there's going to be a current 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.440 that takes me east west, north south, you know, then 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.280 I'm like ready, I'm prepared for it. But if I 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.400 don't take time to calibrate my heart, mind equipment, then 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.679 it comes to be a very confusing day. So my 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:21.199 routine is based in more of a spiritual discipline. My 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:25.439 minurosis is more on the spiritual side, whereas there's just 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.119 certain things that have to take place, like spiritually in 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.800 for you to you know, in order for me to 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.119 flow with where I'm like supposed to be at the 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.320 right place at the right time. 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:40.760 Gotcha. So, before the age of ten, what were your 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:45.320 desires in terms of what you wanted to do when 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.560 you became an adult. Did you come out the moon 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.680 wanting to do music or did you have other fantasies 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.320 or to do something else. 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.400 By the time I was nine years old, I had 0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:05.200 completed the autobiography of Asada School and I was already 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.720 playing in a dazz ensemble. I was playing drums and 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:13.840 jazz ensemble. I was, you know, yeah, I like I 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:18.280 was kind of raised serious. So it was my dream 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:23.760 was total total black liberation. Total liberation for black people 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.680 was already my goal because I was like maybe three 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.720 years old, because that's when I learned about the trans 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:35.240 Atlantic slave holocausts. So I was definitely raised to be 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:40.920 an RBG assassin. And so that's the undercurrent there, you know. 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.560 But the beautiful thing about that is that it encouraged 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.400 me to it encouraged me in the things in my abilities, 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.280 that there was a purpose behind my abilities. So like 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.400 if you're reading all the hotepie and books, you know, 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:56.840 like as a child, they used to glow in the 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.600 dark for me, Like you know, so like Soling Legacy, 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:04.120 George GM James. You you haven't seen family Guy that cartoon. Yes, 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.320 I was like Stewie that baby, like I was thinking 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.480 of a master plan. So I see George GM james 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.040 Stolen Legacy the book, right, and it's like this glowing 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.920 you know, some of my odd roster Tevin rows on 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.360 the book, you know, and like or Ramsey's the second 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.680 as y'all would say, Right, so you have this other 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.680 children's book and you go like, I have to figure 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.440 this out to get over there. So like I'm like 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.760 the cat in the hat. That's what you're saying, right, 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:33.320 d Cat. 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:34.000 And I'm. 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.880 Reading like Doctor Seuss, but I'm looking at George gm Jans, 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.120 like how do I get over there? So just like 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.440 I think I've been like since I was nine, I 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.800 think it was absolutely had something to do with the 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:53.040 liberation of black folks to know that they're free, to 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.720 know that they're for them to have successful lives, for 0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.920 them to have full and happy lives. 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:01.520 Age nine. 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.520 Yes, Jesus Christ, I'm so ashamed because it took me 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:11.160 why I didn't read ASADA's book until when we were 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.280 working on Commons like Water for Chocolate record. 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.320 They had just started. 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:22.920 Lifting the like embargoes for visiting Cuba and whatnot, and 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.600 so Common was like, I'm gonna go down there to 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.680 you know, because he shout out to Dreamhampton, who had 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.680 Black August Organization take us down there, like we were 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.880 like one of the first American hip hop people. I 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:38.640 think The Roots was like maybe the second or third 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:43.320 show down there. But it's so weird because we went 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:48.480 down there to meet her and like when you go there, 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.120 usually they tell you like to bring things that you 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:56.800 don't need anymore for people there. Yeah, And for some reason, 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.200 I just I was like, you know what, I know, 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.240 being here all this time, I wonder if she will 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:08.240 like something simple like Essence magazines or Vibe magazine, you 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.360 know what I mean, like just to catch. 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:11.800 Up on black pop culture. 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.880 And I gave her bag of just like and it's 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.360 like all these magazines throughout the years that I found 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.360 that like thrift stores like across America and whatnot. And 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.959 she was like so beautiful. Yeah, that was so beautiful. 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.400 And I mean, look and you being able to meet 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.800 her because of because of music, Like that's that's very intense. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.600 That's that's very beautiful thing. 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.240 She knew we all were like she was very much 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.680 hipped to everything music was happening. So that was right. 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.680 You mentioned that mister T was kind of the first 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.200 entity that you yourself uniquely brought in that how so 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.480 not like from someone inherited me? But can I ask 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:05.760 was on my own, dad? 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:07.200 Like I was on my own with mister T. Like 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:08.240 like I was on my own with it? 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:14.040 What was the first record that you yourself purchased? Not that 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.200 was in the household already. But what's the first right now? 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.560 Oh? I know, because I had you know what, I 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.680 had to wait to give them some lunch money because 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:27.160 we used sometimes we packed lunches school, so I literally 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.040 had to earn from like not eating like And the 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:35.760 first was a cassette single. It was and oh my god, 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.520 it was they saw me, myself and I and Tom 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.320 to be Hippie on the other side. That's my first 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.120 cassette ever. I bought it with my own money, from 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.960 my well, my parents money, but it was from the 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.440 food money that I had saved to the side so 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.680 that I could buy you. 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.480 Two, your sister, yourself. 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.040 Yeah, And I was like, I want to buy us. 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.600 I want to buy a cassette. 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.160 So you brought the K single instead of the twelve inch. 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:09.200 They had no record player. 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.480 Ah damn, because here's the thing. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.200 It plus a twelve inch cost more than a dollar. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.600 Here's the thing, all right. 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.279 So I don't know if you know this, but what 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.960 what makes that twelve inch very unique? They did something 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:26.360 really innovative, which was, you know, side one was regular 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:31.080 me myself and I. Side two they did something really innovative, 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.840 which is they did a three sided record, so you 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.560 would start the record and get the remixes to me 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.239 myself and I, but then you started again and it's 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.960 too labeled to be a hippie. What's more And the 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.759 brainwash flower where they meet the kid Jeff and he's 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.640 making fun of their shit, you know, like it's Yes, 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.560 it's basically hidden grooves, hidden grooves on the twelve inch 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:01.120 and yeah, I two purchased that in twelfth grade. 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.640 And but it was the person of my own. It 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.840 was like the first this is my, this is mine. 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.880 So when I put it out, I know they hate 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:15.399 it and everything, but I have to say, it's the 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:20.440 best neuro divirgin anthem. It's the best about like like Normanies, 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.560 like I hate you Normanies, Like I don't have to 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.400 fit in with none of you guys. I don't want to. 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.400 I don't want to. I'm different and it's okay and 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.239 I'm on my own world and I don't. And because 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.160 at that point I think that I was getting sent 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.040 to office every day, I. 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:39.560 Was gonna say, what were you like in school? 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:44.520 Oh my god, do like militant? So like in public school, 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.359 I'm getting I'm getting sent to jail every day I'll 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.480 get I have a political prison at school. What because 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:53.960 my mom said, don't you pleasure at least is anohing? 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.879 But god, I was like okay, So it's like now 0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.480 we're going through a pledge at least, I said, And 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:06.640 you know, I'm that one. 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.080 I'm Georgia. 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:15.600 Go to the office, okay every day. So it was 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.759 just like me and schools. It's like it was really hard. 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.200 It was very hard because like, where did you go 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.480 to school? I went to Community Magnet, which was in 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:29.680 mid City and it's also the same I think it 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.320 was saved it the school. There was a few folks 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.600 that went there. But anyway, it was after the first 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.919 school I went to ruined me for every school, which 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:42.960 was Huru shoe Le, lived by amazing matriarchs of Sister 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:49.239 Carry who was an amazing, amazing, amazing pillar of the 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:54.200 black Garvyait community in Los Angeles, alongside with Sister Lola 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.879 Comen and all of this stuff. And and I mean, 0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:01.120 these are the people who really held up the underground 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.760 hip hop community, the folks from the Black consciousness movement. 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.320 That's why I'm not surprised that aside of New Year music, 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.480 because for instance, ex clan would be another early influence 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.399 because Brother J literally hand delivered the tapes like Black 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.360 Watch literally hand delivered the tapes to Marcus Garbage School 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:25.640 for African Minds United Children's Program, So like I could 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.439 talk to Brother J and be like, yo, I learned 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.640 about yourself. He's like, oh, oh yeah, I delivered that 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.200 over there, sister, yes, And I'm like, I'm the demographic 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.440 that you read, like if it wasn't for him, like 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.920 sending something by hand. And at that time, mind you, 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.600 I'm thinking everybody's playing everything from scratch, so it's like 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.440 I'm chripping out like this is the best. Like, so 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.640 that's another Like that was the first time I saw 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.360 other mister T adjacent people too. Was like through the 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.200 hip hop world, everybody had different kind of names like 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.240 that superhero aesthetic thing. 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:05.320 So hip to ask in yeah California, Okay, okay, yeah 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.280 wait you said other notable people went to your school? 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:09.520 Who else went to your school with you? 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:15.640 There was Marcus Houston. We went to the school and 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.960 then like like the group kind of got together at 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.000 the school, at the Magnet School, and that's like a 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.680 whole nother story's Bless the Hearts of all. 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:28.480 So what would you say was your first real creative 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.799 project like that you did as a I don't know 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.000 if you created as a kid or made demos as 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:37.360 a kid, but what was your first. 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.360 Creative project mixtapes? What will be on these mixtapes? 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.839 A man? Like? I mean, I was a mixtape queen, 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.839 you know what I'm saying. Like so just like that's 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.680 why I just I was so fond of y'all because 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.239 y'all sound like my mixtapes. So it'd be like like 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.200 my guy name god mother gave me all these fail 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:59.400 like Coutie records, you know, So I had failah and 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.759 then I have had some boy modeling school, and then 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.359 I would have a freestyle fellowship. Then I would have 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.400 I definitely have like some like fantastic part one, and 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.560 then I have just I mean staying up so late, 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.560 I never got no sleep because like you know, can't 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:24.520 tell you KPFK, you know, k CRW staying up so 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.440 late to hear all of the independent musicians. And I 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:30.200 would make that and then I would add it with 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.960 my eyes a k, add it with my nina to 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.239 my own record, add it with my bad brains. But 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:40.279 everybody would tell me fast forward through that. Yeah, I 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.440 learned about it. I learned about bad brains through the 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.879 bargain binch. I learned about bad brains and Sun rather 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.320 the same day, because I would go to the warehouse 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.960 like the music store, but I noticed, if you get 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.640 what they're promoting, you have to pay, like so much 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:57.480 money you have to pay. It costs you like twenty 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:01.440 dollars anth change. Whereas if I went to the bargain bend, 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.480 I could get like three, I could get three or four. 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.839 So I would look and then they'd be looking back 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.560 at me, so it'd be like muddy water. I'm like 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:15.960 Johnny Hooker, I'm like, who's that? You know? I'm a 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.280 bargain bin child, Like I really am, Like the reason 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.880 why of all that ecollected kind of things, like before 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:26.880 the iPod shuffle is really bargain bin surfing, and I 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.200 would just be getting like Errol Garner Ero Garner needed 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.719 some own the same day, Ero Garner needed some own, 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:35.480 and Isaac Hayes the same day. 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:43.840 Okay, so name me five unskippable perfect albums that you 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:48.200 cannot live without, and they cannot be box sets and they. 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.200 Cannot be great like a record of day made. 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.319 It cannot be greatest hits or box sets. I might 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.799 let you have with live because live is different. But 0:40:58.120 --> 0:40:59.520 namely five perfect. 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:05.399 Album, see you five perfect album? Okay. One perfect album 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:11.279 is salif Kta Sorrow. It's perfect sally K I grew 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.319 up with Darek salif Kta is in from nineteen eighty eight. Like, 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:16.759 that's the record I grew up with. 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:17.600 You spell that for me. 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:23.000 Yeah. S l I f k e I t A 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:28.000 is produced by Ibraheim Sillah okay. And and then the 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.839 name of the record called s O r O Yes Sorrow, Yes, 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:36.160 I know this is it's an amazing he's we called 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.759 me and my my homegirl Malaika Eagle Nebula. We call 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.280 him the West African Frankie Beverley. 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.480 I see sorrow, Yes, okay, I know this. 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.680 Wow. Yeah, what's your next album? 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:54.560 The next album is bib mcfair and Medicine man Ah. 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:59.880 Man Sweet in the Morning. Yep, Amelue put onto that. 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.919 Yes, no, like, I'm not skipping past none of those. 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:14.279 I'm in each one like yes, yes you I like 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:19.320 I'm angry as he ran all the way. 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:26.239 And in high school, emmel Rue put me on to 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:33.240 that record, and then I went through his entire discography amazing. 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.040 Yeah, like yeah, that one. I mean, you just it's 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.080 just not it's not it like each one is amazing, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.640 and you just follow him through the whole thing, like 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.040 no discipline is pressent, Like like when he started just 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.799 going off, like on his guitar solo at the end, 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.680 I was just like, those are such golded scat solos, 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.520 Like I'm saying, like, that's the goals. 0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.440 The scariest job ever did in my life, you know, 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:04.200 because there's a period where the family lived in Philadelphia 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:09.359 and Madison hit me up and was like, yo, Dad said, 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.960 stop ducking him and let's do the two man chill already. 0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:17.640 And you know, it took me about a year to 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.080 agree because I was scared, like because I know, I. 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.239 Know what you mean, and I've been there. I've been there, 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.359 i know what you're talking about. 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:25.960 And so I called him. I was like, all right, 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.320 so should we rehearse to do something. He's like no, 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.400 And I was like, well, well let's go to soundcheck 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.840 or whatever. He's like, no, need I said, huh. And 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.120 then we got there and I'm like, well let's map 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.239 it out. He says, nope, let's not map it out. 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:41.799 And I said, what are we going to do? He said, 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.439 We're going to walk on stage and we're going. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.000 To create for two hours. 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:47.200 Right. 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:53.200 It was the fastest my heart has ever beaten. That's 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:59.239 true artistry and vulnerability when you work it out in 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.880 real time on stage. And he yeah, man, I mean 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.880 here's the thing, like I'm a deciphle Jade Diller and and. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:13.399 And you know, mistakes were a really that was part 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:14.440 of their their fiber. 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.799 You know, mistakes, right, that's it, come on, but that's 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:19.480 what you think. 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.920 To embrace it live like literally, McFerrin said, hey, if 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.320 you make a mistake, I want you to repeat it 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:31.040 four times. And I was like, okay, that's why I 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:32.160 love him that. 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.879 I think you you're summing up all the reasons why 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.239 I love Bobby mcfair and so much. I mean, he 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.600 just that raw. You know, he's just wrong. That's raw, 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:42.839 like to be like that, like yeah, no, okay, now 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.920 mean it because it came out of you. So how 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.560 do you honor the things that you wouldn't? You know, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.680 how you honor the things that are happening from you? 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.520 Like how you do that? I mean I say my 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:58.880 style is completely ninety generated from era. Really like, if 0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:02.320 not percent, we had to be up in the eighties, 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.000 you know what. My whole stylet even the composing melodies 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.960 and stuff. I mean like even just like and vibing 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.920 out on loops and stuff. Because that Jamie Abersol. I'm like, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:15.600 I'm not gonna be able to be the musician I 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.520 need to be. I need to make I need to 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.600 throw out some other chords. I need to have some 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.759 other stuff like cycling around and if I can find 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:26.080 a melody in there, then I'll be doing something. So 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.000 I need to make my mistakes in a different way 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.680 because it's two five to one thing. I'm like, this 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.320 is boring because you know, I got raised with the 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.960 Giant Steps. So it's just like when I heard the 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.000 Abra Salt record, I wanted to die. It was horrible. 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.960 So shout out to Jamie Abrassold, that's where the jazz 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:46.279 heads out there. But got one, two, three, I'm like, 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:47.640 oh god, this is horrible. 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.960 This is wait. This is one question I didn't ask 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.800 you well, knowing that you played any and everything, what 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:59.160 is your preferred weapon of choice as far as one 0:45:59.280 --> 0:45:59.920 instrument only? 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.040 What is your instrument? 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:12.719 Wow, I'd have to say, hm hmm, Kazoo, what down 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:17.640 I begin, I get begin my Henry Threaguil impersonations. I'd 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.279 be I'll be on it. I'd be because I like it. 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.800 Because it's like I could get in there, you know 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:25.719 what I mean. I'm holding something and then I have 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.759 my little microphone up there and I'm like, you know, now, 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.239 I got my dazzy Gillespie angle. I got my little 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.000 but I think I want a kazoo to have a 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.279 bell on it so I could really, like, you know, 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.239 you know, be tripping, you know, a little bit more 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.239 the enjoy that got the bill that go like this. 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.640 I think they have a marching bank. But I mean 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.680 to be honest, Yes, Kazoo. Tamboo Marine, I like it 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:53.200 a lot. Tam Marine is like this Doppler device of 0:46:53.440 --> 0:47:00.440 like it's dope. It's dope. It's like it's it's like 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:04.600 a graphic instrument. It's like a radar instrument. So I 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:07.000 like a tambourine a lot. My approach to tambourine is 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:12.400 like a mix of motown and and like just Negro, 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.160 like you know, ancient Negro spirits, you know, so It's 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.600 like that's how I like to play, you know, like 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.400 play odd time on it and but with the motown, 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.120 you know, flip over this play. You know, those are 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.759 my favorite right now. But piano, of course, because I 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:34.680 love to do sound design, love synthesizers very much. I'm 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.759 definitely a synthesizer person, and I feel as though I'm 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.040 more of a roads pianist. I'm not a grand pianist. 0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:46.160 I feel like, you know, with pianos that they should 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.080 be like needed out, just like how horns are. Like 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.560 you have a buried saxophonist, a soprano saxophone, alto saxophone. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.160 I feel like they're grand pianists their upright pianiss roads 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:00.359 because somebody who plays on grand don't necessarily say great 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:04.279 on the roads facts, or they don't necessarily sound great 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:08.480 on upright either, Like there's some people that compose for upright, 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.239 like you know, you have your the Loneliest Monk. It's 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:11.920 not to say that he doesn't sound at home on 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:16.360 a grand piano, but for how he the angularity of 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:20.800 the cordal structures, like how it sustains Baby Grants is 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.239 his grand piano. So it's like I think that those 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.880 things are very interesting. I've been discussing that more like 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.120 largely just about like the different types of pianos as 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:35.239 being classified as different instruments instead of as piano being 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:37.640 one thing that when you lift the hood on it, 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.040 you have all these different shapes and all these different 0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:45.399 string lengths and all these different like cabinets. Right when 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.960 that happens with any other instrument, it's like a different instrument. 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:50.160 You know what I mean. 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.040 So I'm definitely a roads girl. I'm a roads upright. 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.040 But I think even before all of that, because of 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.960 the mentorship I received from one of the original synthesized 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:06.240 players of Mothers of Invention. His name is Don Preston. 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.360 So he intervened in my life when I was like 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.920 about like fifteen, and he started like giving me see 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.640 these of like moonscapes of Jupiter and stuff like that. 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:17.680 So like the wind Greases has been with me the 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.319 whole time, Like I really like it's really my thing, 0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.440 you know. It's like and Ducal Chancelly taught me cloud 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:28.640 he interrupted, he interrupted Sunday school and said, George you ready, 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.880 And it was like these big old, obnoxious white cloves 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.759 and He's like, George, you ready, and I'm like, uh huh, 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:41.000 this cloud a get get get get get clap it out. 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:44.880 I clapped it. He's like, good now that this reverse 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.360 get get get get get clap it out. Got it 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.160 all right, y'all have a good day and left. 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:52.960 Wait time out, time out. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.760 All right. So you just said two mind blowing facts. 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.879 One that you were in proximity of somebody that went 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:04.240 at the school of Frank Zappa. Yeah, that's one. 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:09.360 Thing, like original, the original man, the original, like the criminal. 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:15.040 Like Preduin yea. And but then on top of that, 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:17.760 and Dougu was one of your teachers. 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:22.240 Yeah, and I didn't have no choice, you know, because 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:26.360 he played with my mom at church, so like. 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.960 He just casually just played drums on Sunday. 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.759 Yeah, and then when he would play, he would be 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.600 making eye contact like this is timing. Okay. 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.960 Now, I would do anything to have known what that 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:42.600 felt like. 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:43.280 Okay. 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.160 So I'm an artifact collector. And the last time I 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.279 saw in Dugu before he passed away. Every time I 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:55.440 see him, I beg him and Dougu, where is the 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:56.640 Billy Jean Snare? 0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:03.560 And he claimed that he knew and I, ah, that 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:04.200 means the. 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:09.080 Holy Grail finding the dude Chandler Billy Jean Snare drum. 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.520 But the fact that he was just her Sunday school 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.520 church drummer is no. 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.680 I mean, but he no, he interrupted. He completely interrupted 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:21.000 Sunday school like he was like, Georgie. 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.640 Ready and we'll just teach you right there. 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.480 Wow, and then and then left like that and then 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:33.000 lee like he knew. He knew that, like somehow there 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.000 was enough in my spirit and now I can see 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:38.560 that and in kids too. But like it was, he's like, no, 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.520 that's a percussion in there. That's percussion in there, you know, 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:45.080 And so he gets he get everybody on water bottles 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:47.800 and give me the most hardest part to learn of 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.440 the ensemble, like we like I had to learn. He 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:51.360 taught me percussion. 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.399 That means he respected you. If he challenges you, that's 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:55.120 that's amazing. 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.600 Yeah, he put me through it though, And that was 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.600 on the other side of you know, I guess he 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:04.040 when my mom told him I was playing drums, so 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.759 that my nine year old life, you know, it's like, oh, 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:09.719 she playing jazz er, Okay, well then get with it. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:26.680 Here you go. Wow, when you write lyrics, walk me 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.319 through what your creative process is oh. 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:34.280 Man, every song is so different. Sometimes the general aspect, 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:35.719 do you want to know. 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.759 The like does it hit you in a dream? Does 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:38.520 it hit you at night? 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:39.640 Does it? Yeah? 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:42.520 Yeah, it's like one of two things that's going on. Okay, 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:45.520 it's one of two things that's going on. So like say, 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.839 if it's like a nonlinear kind of compositional thing, like say, 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:52.080 if it's just something that's moving forward, if it ain't 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:53.960 like a loop, so to speak, or something like this, 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.640 if it's just like something that's happening, I'm literally translating 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.320 the changes into backend to English that Sometimes that's what 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:07.440 I'm doing that as a personal growth exercise, to do 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.000 the thing that my dad maybe couldn't. Well. 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:10.960 What comes first for you? 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.279 Music or lyrics, It all depends like it. 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:17.719 Sometimes the lyrics come first. Sometimes I'll be sitting outside 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.839 and the sunshine will give me a song like love 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:25.120 light you know, yeah, and I write it down because 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:29.000 that's how it told me, or the sunshine wrote the 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:34.200 wrong way, you know, and the love light within will 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.080 live on forever because like a lessie, there was a 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.560 three song, three different songs that the sunshine wrote. I 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.040 just like just took it down. 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:44.799 Yeah. 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.400 But then there's other times where it's like because the 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.759 way I hear overtones are very pronounced. So sometimes I 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:55.720 say like I'm living in my own little cathedral because 0:53:56.200 --> 0:54:00.759 I hear overtones very very pronounced. So like say, if 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.359 y'all was playing and I go into the next room, 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.759 I might hear the whole thing transposed a fifth up 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.879 because it's like, depending on the size of the room, 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:13.960 I hear the overtones more loud, you know. So because 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:17.239 of that, if I have a disco like I start 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.520 to hear, you know, it's a melody sweller up here, 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.719 the whole song come to me, and it's like I'm 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:28.040 looking into a spoon kind of like, and the melody's there, 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.640 like the song's already kind of complete. It's just taking 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:35.040 time to like pan for the gold. Sometimes writing lyrics, 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.920 it's something that happens in real time, and I just 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:43.400 hyper zumem into each moment. I hypersume into each pulse 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:48.680 of each moment, and time flows down and I'm in 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:53.279 the booth already, and that's how the record is. 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.279 We now live in the age of the iPhone, which 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.400 I guess you can go to voice memo and hum 0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.760 an idea, and you know, I hate doing that process 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:10.840 because you hear the entire arrangement outline, keyboard line and 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:15.040 all that stuff, and then when I revisited three weeks later, 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.120 it's nothing. It's like it's like wait a minute, I knew, 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:22.920 So how do you channel it from space to your 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:27.040 chakra to your mouth to tape? Like how do you 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:27.920 do that? 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:32.080 It's really interesting, right, because that is the question. It's like, 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.920 you know, I think being a sound designer helps me 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.160 very much in that gotch because then I can start 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:42.880 to trace the environment that it's coming from. You know. 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:46.400 Now I'm just dealing with sound waves and stuff. So 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.040 like people don't know, but like you know, black Men, 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:50.719 I'm going off of O lesson because it's like the 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.839 twentieth year anniversary, right, so it's like like black Men, 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:56.160 I did that in garage band. 0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.880 You know, like you told me that and I didn't believe. 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:05.399 Yes, But the dealing is that I'm like the mod 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.279 wheels and I'm going to make it sound like what 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.920 it is that's going like this. I'm doing all the things. 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:13.640 I'm turning all the knobs, doing all that I can 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:18.239 so that it is echoing what I am hearing, you know, 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.920 So sound design helps a lot for me to take 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.000 a snapshot of a atmosphere. 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:28.800 You know black Man's on the second album, right, the Fragments. 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:32.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah. So it's like that's 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:37.120 like sound design. You know, sound design is amazing as 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:41.880 a compositional tool because you know the way a signal 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.879 enters the room. So that's the beginning of the song. 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.759 Like it's a fractal image of what a song is 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:50.799 going to do as a whole. So it's like it's 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.600 the little blocks of these things. It's the letters that 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:57.680 make the words, that make the sentence. Yeah. So it's 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.439 like if you see it in that kind of way, 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:06.120 you know, I'll do that first. So sometimes I hear 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:10.880 the baseline, I hear everything, but I know if I 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.440 lose the sauce that all of it's suspended in, I'm 0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.880 gonna lose it. So I go for the sauce that 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.959 it's all suspended in. First, the setting, I think about, 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:22.760 like where is it? Is it in a force? Is 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:25.880 this a forest? What is this? I keep asking questions 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.480 of the song that's there, and then I'm like, definitely 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:31.880 by Aluminescent forests. 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.240 Are you able to answer your question? 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.240 I know that's wild, but it's dude. 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:43.880 I'm near a diversity, so I totally. But what is 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:47.840 the percentage of you executing that to completion? And has 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.480 there ever been moments where you lost it? I eat, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.400 you know, last night I had a great idea and 0:57:57.280 --> 0:58:00.600 I think I gave up midweight, Like what is in 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:02.480 my head? I couldn't accurately. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:09.240 Yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you when it happens. 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:13.000 And you know what's funny, It's the wildest thing because 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:15.840 I usually my best kept secret is that I know 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:17.560 how to read music. I don't want nobody to know. 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:19.320 I want people to treat me like I can't read. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.680 Treat me like the niggas think Dianoni because it's racist, 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:28.680 because like, well, no, it's not that. Well. This is 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:33.080 my thing is if say, y'all read invented written music? 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.960 Right the Ethiopian monk, He invented the systems of writing 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.480 for music. It comes from Africa, right this brother? Like 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:42.800 you know the mesmer is like it sets the tone 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:44.640 for medieval music as we know it. You know what 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:47.200 I'm saying. The way that one note we'll go to 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:49.680 another had something to do with the group that was 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.280 going to perform it. It had. It was a more 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.960 dynamic notation, so that it was a better like let's 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:56.440 stick a pin in this, and then we get here 0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:58.720 when we're ready, and then we get here when we're ready, 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.160 and this is where the tone is going to shift 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.320 into this and all this kind of stuff. But at 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.440 the rate of agreement. I think now people think that 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.560 they can write themselves to a beautiful place, and I 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.040 don't think this too. So you got to learn it 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.120 the way I did it. You know. I remember when 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.480 I go, like for piano lessons and stuff, and I 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:19.720 look at the music, but then I look at her hands. 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.520 I go like, that's not on there. What you're doing 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:26.120 with your hands is not on there. I learned it. 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:29.120 I said, that's not on there. And so it wasn't 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.479 until I learned about MIDI with the one twenty seven 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:35.120 of the velocity and things like that, I was like, 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.080 now that's on there. Like when I look at a 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:41.520 piano roll, I like, it's on there, you know, Like 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:44.560 how did you play each note? Like I understand where 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:46.480 the note's supposed to be. I understand where it's supposed 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:46.560 to be. 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.760 Rhythmically, but how I was going to say, I almost 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:54.680 feel like your father kind of well, I'm not saying 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:58.240 he invented middy, but I mean to incorporate these things. 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:03.400 That's basically yeah, it's basically many and so so it's 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:04.880 like those kinds of things, those messages. 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.960 When I learned those messages, I felt free to like, Okay, 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.320 this is I need to explore it is more. And 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:13.760 so I use the NPC as a mini production center 1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:16.360 for real. So like I feel like, you know, I 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:20.200 love that because now I can record, like how it's 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:22.600 coming to me, I can record all those messages. When 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:25.640 I forget a song, it's because I've tried to write 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:25.960 a chart. 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:32.440 Ah, So the second you start, you're ama, dais process 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:34.240 of writing it, That's. 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:34.720 When you lose it. 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:38.520 It just don't. It doesn't work that way. It does 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.440 not work that way. It's like slash chord. At the 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:44.440 slash chord, I'm here, I'm here today there, and I'm 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:48.400 doing it and it's like, yeah, but there's another piece 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:51.440 of information that is not there that I feel like 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:56.880 I freeze it, like I feel like somehow it gets cryogenic, 1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:01.280 it gets so cold and ice. Yes, I just That's 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:03.520 the way I lose songs is when I write them, 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:06.000 Like when I write them down, it's better that I 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:08.240 complete them and then I can write them. 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.479 I feel like they come back to you eventually, I mean. 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:13.480 I hope. So I got so many songs I finished. 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:15.840 I don't have to be stingy. Some of them can 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.040 go back to the wind, you know, like I don't 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:18.240 have to. 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:20.120 I'll take them them. 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:22.920 Yeah, all right. 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:24.400 So here's a question. 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:26.320 What is. 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:31.480 Or who is your longest friendship? 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:39.439 Who my longest friendship? Yes, it had to mean Ego Nebula, Yeah, 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:43.520 Ego Nebula? Who is who is the incredible MC with 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:47.240 Rog's African Space program? Yes, but I know her as 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:52.520 more like a jewels. We've been tight since I was fifteen, 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:56.080 you know, and we're still like the same level of 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:58.680 friendship that we are today. But there's a lot of 1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:01.800 people I'm meeting, like like day one isseris there coming 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:04.960 back in which I'm happy to see them too. But 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.760 as far as like consistent friendship all the way through it, 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:10.560 it's Malaika. Yeah. 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:11.280 Nice. 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:15.320 Yeah. We have a record called Cosmic Headphones that's really wild, 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:18.800 Like if you like km D like that record, it's like, Wow. 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.800 I believe that I probably have listened to every one 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.480 of your projects at least five to ten times each. 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:33.760 So dude, I look, we met once when you first, 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:37.800 like before you got a record deal, and I tried 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:42.800 not to scare you with my fandom. So you know, yes, 1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:46.360 I know that could be overwhelming to be like, okay, stranger, 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:47.200 get out of the way. 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:49.400 But I mean, like, I know, you know what. 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:52.000 A lot of the time, it'd be like it's funny 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:54.080 because I don't find out till later on, you know. 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.840 But it's a positive thing for me because somehow it's 1:02:57.920 --> 1:03:02.920 like I don't know, it's I love y'all, you know. 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.280 And when I hear the stuff that you guys do, 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:09.840 I like when I hear you know, catch's ill fifth dynamite. 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:12.760 When I hear that, I'm like, they know, Like for me, 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.560 it hits me in a whole other place because of 1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:19.960 that's my first language. I hear that, you know or 1:03:20.120 --> 1:03:23.200 like or that scat and all of that kind of stuff. 1:03:23.200 --> 1:03:25.560 I mean, like, there's so many different there's so many 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:31.080 different records that I just like, wow, you know that 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:34.280 they have painted the backdrop, you know, honestly, you know, 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:35.680 what I mean. And I think the other thing I 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:40.000 loved so much was I love the Due operas. I'm 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:42.120 a fellow Due opera too, you know, no matter how 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:45.200 avant garde things get on my end, I'm still still 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:46.600 very much a Due opera you know. 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:50.920 Okay, So I have something to ask about your vocal style. Okay, 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:51.680 and this is. 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:55.840 I remember. 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:56.240 Okay. 1:03:56.320 --> 1:04:01.520 So when I first got the demo, uh, you know, 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:05.480 I played it all of the usual suspects, and when 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:09.280 I played it for d he got real quiet, and 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.800 he was like, she wants some ship. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.560 So this is what I have to ask you because 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:17.760 I know, Wow, that's real deep. That's really deep. 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:22.040 That's deep. He has the gift of analyzing who you 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:26.240 are as an artist based on your your vocal textures. 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:30.960 These kind of parallel thing with Marvin Gaye is the 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:34.520 fact that both these artists and this is something I 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:38.440 noticed with your your music is and when you explained 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:41.280 public enemy being in your life at the age of. 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:43.360 Five, I was like, that's where the dinsness. 1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:46.960 Even though you're using all of these like h light 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:49.880 colors to paint, and the thing is you have you 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:53.800 have different genres like uh, I won't say Dandira, but 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:57.240 I'll probably say like vocally, like what you do on 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:00.120 the Seeds album whatever. But it's so much texture that 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:03.720 I actually feel as though there's comfort in hiding behind 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:08.959 it because there's so much going on that I'm trying 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:12.280 to concentrate on your face and but you're you're you're 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:13.400 throwing all these things at me. 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.919 Do you everywhere in one time? Well? 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.240 Okay, yeah, it's either being omni pressent or it's also 1:05:20.360 --> 1:05:21.280 hiding in plain sight. 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:22.560 So this is what I'll ask you. 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:25.160 All right, So I don't know if you're familiar with 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:31.200 this method, but the Danish have invented this filmmaking style 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.680 called Dogma ninety five, which is basically it's a bunch 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:38.520 of limitations. It's like a challenge to each other, like 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.440 you could only use natural light, you can't score it, 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.680 like there's there's there's like fifty rules, and they all 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:49.400 challenged each other to try to make movies with very 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:54.160 limited resources, like you can't use a cry so for you, like, 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:59.480 have you ever tried considering like the opposite of what 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:03.200 you do, like a straight up I mean, I forget 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:04.520 what the disco record that you did? 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.160 Okay, the opposite of what I do. You're gonna have 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:09.600 to really walk me through that, like, well, no, no. 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:12.480 No, because you do everything. You do everything. 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:15.480 I'm saying like, I feel like this Harriet Tubman record 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:19.080 is like definitely a different a different zone, but but 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:22.360 I feel like it is I feel you know what, 1:06:22.760 --> 1:06:25.040 you know what opposite of what I do. I feel 1:06:25.080 --> 1:06:28.880 like that got nominated for sure, like with the exercise 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:31.800 and Restraint and like Overload, I feel like Overload was 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:34.960 definitely like and you know, so wild. It was like 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.400 I did Overload was actually a joke. It was like 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.440 how fast can I ride it? Like a cut like this, 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:43.400 like just live in a cliche? 1:06:43.720 --> 1:06:45.240 All right, here's the thing about Overload. 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:50.040 Were you shocked that of all your work, that that's 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:54.200 the one that like got nominated for Grammy And like 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:54.760 what was your. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:55.360 Reaction to that? 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:59.040 I was like that stuff had me laughing because I 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:01.600 was like, don't like there was some songs like like 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:05.080 Canadian Hill really. I called it Canadian Hill really because 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.360 I'm like, how do I make a Drake song? Like 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:12.080 the song as long as it takes to play twice, 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:14.800 That's how long it took to make it like that? 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:18.280 On that is I think the thing I'm most impressed 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.840 with with that song is how I have a synthesizer 1:07:22.000 --> 1:07:25.160 with the symbols, like like if that's all built in, 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:30.000 Like that's my pride of that. But for me, those 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.880 kind of lyrics, for me, I feel like a definite 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:39.000 I'm also doing my personal growth with that, right, Like 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:42.600 what if a very successful musical life has something to 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:44.120 do with you not thinking much at all? 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:46.720 The Bobby farn method. 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.840 Right, But but but then there's this other side. Right 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:56.920 if before I could afford therapy, this was my personal 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.720 growth gym, and this is my shit, and I'm a 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:03.520 ship junkie, and I want to see how fast I 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:06.840 can step in easily step into another world. This is 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:10.960 my this is my time machine, my spaceship, you know, 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:14.720 my musicianship is like places. It's something I used to travel, 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:18.880 like a literal vehicle through time space. Yeah. So it's 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.840 like when it's all of those things you start bringing 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:24.320 into account and not to get heavy in like two seconds, right, 1:08:24.600 --> 1:08:27.559 but like you, but you get in you bring into 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:30.280 account your friends who have overdosed because they couldn't be 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:32.760 themselves in their music, so they had to go and 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:37.679 textra curricular things so that they could experience the thrill 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:41.360 of walking on that knife edge on stage, so they 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:44.200 could experience certain things. So I feel like some of 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:49.400 the sacrifices I have made have contributed to my life quality. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.679 I didn't have to go do coke to do things. 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.639 I could just say, Okay, today's set list is trust God. 1:08:57.320 --> 1:08:59.000 And then also I can get the data. I can 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:01.160 see where people can be blocked up and like you 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:03.560 know somebody who say, oh, this person is killing But 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:08.439 it's like, trust God, and then by the end of 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:10.439 the game you had you would have worked through something. 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.160 I don't know. It's like those kind of things. I 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:19.320 don't have to do no cocaine, because I'm already like feeling. 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:20.320 Like you're channeling. 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.639 If the gig camp, if the gig cake one hundred 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:27.439 percent completely fail at any second, I'm not having fun. 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:30.400 Like it's the reason you want. 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:32.160 To you want to be a daredevil? 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:47.720 Yeah, are you scaring me? I'm in a place now, 1:09:48.160 --> 1:09:49.560 and I think this is where I am in my 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:53.439 fifties where let me let me explain something to you. 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:58.760 One time I asked George Clinton about first meeting Prince 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:01.640 and he joked. He says, man, I never met a 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:09.120 cat like so intense on rehearsing his spontaneity. He's like, 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:12.400 Prince is the only cat I know that rehearses his spontaneity. 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:19.400 And I had to think about that, and for me, 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:23.439 I do find there is a comfort that I find 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:32.160 when it's so tightly like the wheel is so tightly operational, 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.560 that I don't have to think about it and I 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:38.880 actually have I have fun and relax because I know 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:43.400 the machine is going to work. But then will come 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:47.920 a moment where I remember once and I know the 1:10:48.000 --> 1:10:51.000 only reason why I tell this story is because I'm 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:55.679 so embarrassed of how I acted one time, Glasper. After 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:58.559 years and years and years of my schedule not working out, 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.080 I finally agreed. I said, Okay, I'm gonna do your 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:05.160 October thing. I'm a jam with you. And you know 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:07.320 again I got on my McFerrin thing. I was like, 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:09.559 all right, so when we rehearse, what are the setlist? 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:10.519 What can I study? 1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:16.200 And you know, he's like, NA, like, right, well. 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:19.240 We made a plan and initially we were going to 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:21.680 do something that we did like a month before. It's 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:25.760 like cool, I know that, and then maybe like four 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.600 days before I hit him up. I was like, all right, 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.439 so what's the deal. And he's like, oh no, no, Instead, 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:33.040 we're going to do this, that, this that, and this that, 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:35.240 and the way that I panicked. 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:39.040 And everybody got different ways that that they hooked up. 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:43.320 Like sometimes to be prepared is like that. That is that. Yeah, 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:46.040 like everybody has different ways. If they know what they're 1:11:46.080 --> 1:11:48.600 walking into, then they're not going to be like just 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.640 embattled with a panic attack. Like that's just real, man, 1:11:51.920 --> 1:11:53.280 It's a different But the. 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:57.639 Reason why I was angry at it because it's like, damn, 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:01.880 I'm petrified. I don't want to let him know I'm 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:05.280 petrified because then he'll go back and be like, hey, y'all, 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:10.439 Chris Love was petrified and he want rehearse and you know, 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:17.600 and I was angry because glasper forced me to the 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:21.439 place where I should be, which is season of day, 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:23.120 ready for a new challenge. 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:25.040 And what you said is correct. 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:30.559 If you're just in a place where it's well rehearsed 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:34.960 and runs like a machine, that's not where you are 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:38.080 you want. You want to be in a place where 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:41.040 it's like you don't know what's going to happen. 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:44.160 Yeah, and you know it's Swallo, though, I think it's 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.400 wild because if I'm playing a song that i've current 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:50.719 like that wrote prior, right, it's never like what cored 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.960 is this? I'm thinking about the system behind everything, Like 1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:57.600 every song has a system of its own, you know, 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:01.080 and that's how I can remember what my right hand's 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.519 doing with my with my left hand, you know, and 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:07.920 like its systems. So like what I find is I 1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:10.559 think the a one like the sweeting spot between these 1:13:10.680 --> 1:13:15.559 two different philosophies, right, is if there's this over it's 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:20.120 understanding of who you're playing with, like an understanding of Okay, 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:23.720 this is the harmonic ranges that everybody's in. You know 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:25.920 what I'm saying. I know you're gonna be in this range. 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:27.439 I know you're gonna be in this range, and then 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:30.640 you can take your liberties within different ranges. But it's like, 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.880 you know, to know what the expectations are, but that 1:13:34.080 --> 1:13:37.360 you're free. If you get struck with Holy Gooes, then 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:40.560 you can like like let that out, you know what 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:44.320 I'm saying. As opposed to it's so rigid and it's 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:46.800 so on a train track that it wouldn't matter if 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:49.880 you were just playing a tape and everybody was fake playing. 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:53.760 That's got to be crazy. Like, you know, there's technology 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:58.160 that solves for some of these things that have caused 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:03.320 a certain amount of of problems off of the stage, 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:05.240 you know. 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:11.480 Yes, so if you're not gelling with your collaborators. 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:13.560 The musicians are playing your work. I'm saying from a 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:17.120 composer's point of view, right, because I mostly identify, like 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:20.080 when I think about instrumentation, I mostly identify as a composer. 1:14:20.439 --> 1:14:22.880 I think, like through all of it, through and through, 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:27.720 I mostly identify as a composer, you know, as a composer. Right, 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:31.200 I've done the song as the producer, I did the 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:35.320 record right, Yes, Basically I went through so much trouble, 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:37.080 Like when I did the work, nothing is I had 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.040 to wait for people to be able to play it, 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:45.040 like because Uncle Doogle wasn't around the corner like he could, 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:48.800 like I didn't have like he wasn't right around the corner. 1:14:49.200 --> 1:14:50.960 Oh yeah, she's playing the gym based stuff. I know. 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:53.479 Oh yeah, she's doing that. She's doing that. Yeah yeah, 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:56.320 I know. This is you know, so like the kind 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:59.719 of musicianship that I needed, like from such an early age. 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:02.439 It took a while for people to rehearse it. But 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.040 then I could go to like Soul Village, Eric Rovers 1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:07.920 and Soul Village and like s Obs, you know, and 1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:10.880 then there'd be Daniel Jones there rest in peace, you know, 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:13.920 my beautiful Like we were very much like twinsis like 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.240 that was my other Like like we'd be very much 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:20.000 you know. He had such rock and roll jams songs 1:15:20.080 --> 1:15:22.519 in like fifteen rock and rock and roll songs in 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:27.760 fifteen and just punk funking odd meters and like we 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:29.840 be and I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna write to that. 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:32.760 I want to write to that Daniel, you know. But 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.600 like now I think about it like that they do 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:39.040 not hear no more, you know, like because and I'm 1:15:39.080 --> 1:15:42.920 saying it wrong because it's like, yes, this fool was 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:45.040 like I'm a Dais Mozart when it comes down to 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:51.600 making arrangements for Janet Jackson, like everything's gonna hit, this 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:53.560 is hitting now, this is it? I mean, and he 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:57.280 could do that ship in fifteen minutes. Yes, I just 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:00.519 this is my thing. Quiz It's like it you can 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:02.720 do that in fifteen minutes. I want to know what 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:04.680 you sound like when nobody's telling you what to do. 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:08.160 What do you sound like when you're just like unbridled 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.240 unhands Like, what does that sound like? 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:15.320 You know you've had so many collaborators. What is the 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:20.960 choice of knowing? You know your Kendrick Spirits? How do 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:25.559 you choose collaborators? How do you know if a person's 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:28.960 gonna work as opposed to like we're five of like 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:32.519 my go to I know I'm gonna have some shit 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:34.280 with these collaborators. 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:38.880 Oh man, I don't you know. I love collaborate. I 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:42.800 just love collaboration so much. It's like I love it 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:46.200 because I get a chance to just enjoy it. I 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:48.760 don't have to carry all the weight. It's not just 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:54.160 my job by myself, you know, to do everything. I love. 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:58.360 Let me see my top five collaborators because sometimes collaborating 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:00.320 be remote though I still have to like turn in 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:04.920 something from where I'm at. But I think from being 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:07.720 in the studio with Michelle and Degiell Cello's definitely like 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:12.639 mmm her as a producer, it's like a dream. 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:14.360 What is she like? 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:16.599 She's so quiet when we talk. 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:19.920 She got I felt like I was talking to myself. 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:20.599 It was weird. 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:21.400 It was weird. 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:27.560 Yeah, I she'll loosen up sometimes, but look like I 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:31.799 get shy Michelle. I get very quiet, very reserved Michelle, 1:17:32.120 --> 1:17:34.719 and I want to know what she's like when she's 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:36.920 running the ship. 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:42.120 But it's so cool, you know, it's so cool. You 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:45.439 feel taken care of, man like because she's her ears 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:48.680 are like impeccable. It's just really refreshing when you have 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:52.439 a producer that doesn't use the term vibe as a cliche. 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:55.640 They're using the term vibe because they're a satellite that 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:58.600 she understand me, like they're getting radio waves, you know, 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:00.920 you know they hear radio Wait, you know what I mean. 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:04.640 You know, some people say vibe and it's just like 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:08.680 nondescripted and it's like falling apart and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:12.640 you know. Like Michelle is like there's a hand on 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.599 the hip, there's a hand out here, and she's listening 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.360 and the hands out there, and then she'll ask God, 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:22.680 like why that child sounds so old? She's like she's 1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:25.800 talking about Jermaine Paul, like why Jamaine sound like an 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:30.320 old man? But it's while she's producing, and it's just 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:36.400 like to be there, like hearing her listening, I think, 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:39.800 is like that's an honor that that was an honor 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.320 just as a fellow producer to see her producer. Like 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:46.680 she's like, I got I've been a fan of her 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:49.040 work so I was ten years old. Like she's like 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:52.400 I'm swimming her water, Like are you serious? Like that's crazy. So, like, 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:56.479 you know, Michelle is definitely a highlight with I think, well. 1:18:56.400 --> 1:19:00.000 Wait, let me ask you who is who's the collaboration 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:05.640 that was the most challenging. And I'm not saying your 1:19:05.760 --> 1:19:09.400 least favorite. I'm not saying the one that you didn't 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:09.920 vibe with. 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:12.640 No, you're talking about the one that say, can you 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:15.360 try that take again? Like I think you can get 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:15.720 it better? 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:20.040 Is that what you mean? Or just some does something 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:22.600 a little different than how you would normally do it, 1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:26.240 But you're you know, who's a challenging collaborator? 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:27.600 Who challenges you? 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:31.160 I feel like the challenging collaborator would probably be I'd 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:34.240 have to say Keith Rice from Little Black Kids, because 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:37.880 like he's the one that would be like, I think 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:40.479 you can get that take a little bit better, And 1:19:40.640 --> 1:19:44.000 I said I think I can too, you know, instead 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:47.639 of like somebody's going like okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope, Nope, 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.400 that's it. That's it just in comparison to other people, 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:54.200 because I have a different sound, you know, but somebody 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:56.400 who could hear intil it's down and be like, now 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:59.000 let's get that one more time. I let's see who 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:01.880 else is like the challenge to collaborate. I think because 1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:04.759 everything he's doing what was very intentional. I'd say Adrian 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.959 Young because of all of the of all the equipment 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:12.960 that's rolling. Then he wants to videotape everything, and then 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:16.320 he has like he's cleaning while he cooks, like in 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:18.920 a multi media expressive. 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.280 I've worked with him before. Yeah, that's definitely Adrian. 1:20:24.720 --> 1:20:30.840 He's very particular about this chord and he's very going 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:34.280 in and I you know, I think it's very whimsical. 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:37.320 I think because he's like that, it makes the experience 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:38.640 like even more whimsical. 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:42.719 Got you. I love all your projects. He is probably 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:43.160 my favorite. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:43.640 What is. 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:47.479 What was the most fun album to make? 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:52.200 The most fun album to make has been Jo t 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.560 Oko Taya. It was the first time where I was 1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:58.360 just like, you know what, you know, because there was 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:01.240 other influen We're gonna say, other voices in the sauce 1:21:01.680 --> 1:21:05.240 saying like no experimental music. Oh and I'm going like, 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:09.360 but I'm raised by experimental people. Yeah. The first the 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:12.960 first one, ok Taya, it was fun because it was 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:16.960 this unbridling thing where I'm just like, nah, I think 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:21.760 I'm going to just turn the feedback up on that. 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:24.479 Uh yeah, I think I'm gonna just turn this. I 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.800 want the feedback to just hang out on this little 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:28.599 stereo delay. 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:28.960 Nah. 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:32.000 I think I wanted to be everywhere. Yeah, I think 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:35.160 I want to just drag this snare through this like 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:41.080 through like maybe probably eighteen bars and see what happened. Yeah. Yeah, 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:47.000 And Oktaya was the moment where because I first started 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:50.280 out on like the vsaad e X, like the digital 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:53.320 the digital recorders, you know where you could burn a 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:56.320 TD on there. So I'm like this weird hybrid eyz. 1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:59.640 Like the technology I had was very like when they 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:04.160 had this term semipro, you know, but I think. 1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:08.280 Everyone uses when I asked them, like, what's your weapon 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:08.719 of choice? 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:10.519 Like what are you using? And I see what they 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:15.280 work with the best people work on the most limiting 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:17.200 kind of Yeah. 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:23.360 Yeah. So I think like Okota was like I took 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:27.560 myself like, yeah, I'll show you like but for Okotaya, 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:29.800 it was just like just to finish. The thought was 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:33.679 like it was the time where I just press record, gotcha, 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:37.200 and I'm like, yo, I'm just checking. I'm just checking out, 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:41.080 and like I turned everything on for every noad just 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:44.280 record everything. I'm turning just record. And I had so 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:48.200 much fun because I never knew that after I did it, 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:52.519 you know, and I brought that into like all the 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:56.520 music I would do after. It's like nah, like automation 1:22:56.960 --> 1:23:00.439 is like, you know, taking a bigger role, you know, 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:05.080 and like returning it as like a real important quality 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:06.439 instead of just like I need to bang and be 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:09.840 you know, like doing record hello, record for MC's you know. 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.760 Which record of yours you kind of see as a 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:18.960 redheaded step child. Like I loved making my very first record, 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:24.600 but I don't listen to it because we sound like amateurs. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:27.960 But like, for you, what album is that for the 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:31.679 longest time, it was my first one for the longest song, 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:35.840 the longest time, because yeah, because like my first record, 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:38.439 I'm not talking about words nothing, I'm talking about my 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:42.439 first record, the one that the demo, yeah, yeah, the 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:44.720 one that you listened to though, the demo one that 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:47.760 was the one that Venus Brown heard that and he 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:49.800 wanted to clean it up. He was like, Okay, let's 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:54.320 polish this. Oh yeah, it was a little all famous performance. Yeah, 1:23:54.400 --> 1:23:56.639 but what ended up getting released was the one from 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:59.519 the VS A eighty e X, which is just me 1:24:00.640 --> 1:24:03.160 singing off key like you know. And so because of that, 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:06.760 because I'm such a shit junkie, because like a lot 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:10.320 of people don't know, like I really have like an 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:14.120 instrumental approach to my vocalizations and stuff, like I really do, 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.880 you know, So it'll just be like ah. But then 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:20.560 like I think, now I could appreciate it, you know 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.160 what I mean, Like, now I could appreciate it after 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:25.240 all this time, be like, wow, at least I had 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:28.479 the gut to sing my reparations, Like at least that's there. 1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.800 But I think also I think definitely another Step Child 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:37.360 record at EP would definitely be Sogala Patti Bling Sgala 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:42.599 because it's such a regional record, Like it's like when 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:44.880 I go to d C, the black people know that 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.639 Patti Bling records, so like it's so weird, like it's DC. 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:53.679 It's like like Washington DC, Black DC, very very different 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:56.920 vibrated with that with that record, you know what I mean, 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.280 maybe because I call Laren Bush an apathetic hole, like 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:02.559 I don't know why. But on the other side, it's 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:04.720 like it wasn't like the conversation that you hear a 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:07.599 lot now where it's like, oh, turnative black people. Oh 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:12.479 you know, it's just like I'm just tuning into my 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.400 punk funk. I got my punk funk on and I'm 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:19.920 just going for whatever it is. I'm like smoking like 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.800 so much weed, you know, I'm just making a record, 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:27.120 you know. So I think that's I think that's really 1:25:27.439 --> 1:25:31.080 the Redheaded step Child, not in the sense that I 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.040 don't like it, but in the sense that it's just 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:37.880 like it's a strange like, yeah, it's super strange. But 1:25:38.200 --> 1:25:40.720 I think I think but for the longest time, like 1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:43.439 the one that you're talking about, like the one where 1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:45.800 you feel like it's almost a thrown in your side, 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:49.840 like what in the world it was? It was that 1:25:50.000 --> 1:25:53.599 early album cause it's just like but then I had 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:57.680 to give myself credit, that's what I'm talking about. That 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:00.519 was the record because it was my first thing I 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:03.160 ever made, So it was just like, but that's the song. 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:08.559 But that's the records that most everybody everybody loved the record, 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:12.520 but for me, I just felt like I sound so inexperienced, 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:17.040 and I felt so, you know, all these different things, 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:20.360 you know, So yeah, I mean, in that interesting. But 1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:23.280 now I can appreciate it because I'm like, dude, I 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:26.320 was a child. My brain wasn't even done developing when 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:28.880 I made that record. You know, I wasn't even twenty 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:30.960 years old. I wasn't even like I was. I was 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:32.360 a teenager making that record. 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:35.360 So it's like, all right, So one of my least 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:40.439 favorite Prince records was Diamonds and Borrels, right, Diamonds and Pearoles. 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:43.880 Wow, okay was and then like you know, like, well. 1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:48.760 Here's the thing, and Prince fans get angry when I 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:52.559 say this. So between seventy eight and eighty eight, Prince 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:58.880 recorded in a very like, uh kind of it's a 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:03.600 method that's it's mostly like it's it sounds demoi like 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:07.800 he recorded in his bedroom. He recorded in a warehouse 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:14.320 with no padding at all. So Princess sound. Yeah. And 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:18.160 the thing is is that Diamonds and Pearls suddenly was 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:21.760 this elegant, pretty sounding record. 1:27:22.360 --> 1:27:25.360 That also you felt like it was less pump, it 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:27.360 had less punk punk values. 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:31.080 Well, here's the thing, though, I maintained that for the 1:27:31.360 --> 1:27:35.720 thirty plus years it was out, and then two weeks ago, 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:39.360 you know, the thing is is that the fact that 1:27:39.439 --> 1:27:43.480 we can carry our entire record collection inside this phone. 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:46.200 Is that's so great. 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:50.360 And so the thing is is that he released a 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:55.400 five hour box set of Diamonds and Pearls with like 1:27:55.720 --> 1:28:00.560 outtakes and remixes and a live show, and and I 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:02.439 had it was one of them days where it was like, 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:04.400 you know, we had a snowstorm or whatever, and I 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:06.600 was like, all right, you know what, I'm gonna sit 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:10.080 here and listen to this five hour record. And when 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:16.200 I listened to the outtakes, right, but here's the thing. 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:19.600 When I listened to the outtakes, I realized that he 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:23.280 demoed the album first, and then he went in the 1:28:23.320 --> 1:28:27.599 studio and did the pretty professional adult contemporary record. 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:28.959 But man, those demos. 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:31.320 Do you like their demo? Did you like the demo? 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:38.719 I made a fourteen song compilation of outtakes that would 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:45.120 have probably been my top five prints record because it's. 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:49.120 Man, it made that much of a difference, exactly. 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:53.479 And we get embarrassed by the blemishes and the not 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:58.440 readiness of a record. But I now I now understand 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:03.080 why it's important to keep the blemishes in the spots 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:04.879 and where you're green. 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.280 And that sort of thing. 1:29:18.360 --> 1:29:21.320 I definitely want to talk Harry Tubman now. I mean 1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:24.040 to me, it's not lost on me that Harriet Tubman 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:32.479 represents freedom and Liberation's something that I know that you 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:39.720 are experiencing in various ways in your life, your entire 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:43.040 life as a restart, as a redo and whatnot. So 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.559 talk about just talk about the genesis and the seeds 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:50.120 of how this album came to be and. 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:53.600 Oh my gosh, it's my dream gig. Actually this is 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.240 like actually if it's like you know, you know, when 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.920 like most Death had director when he had the band 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:03.160 with like it was it was like Bernie Waring Doug 1:30:03.240 --> 1:30:06.920 went with like all of the sugar Hill realness, what 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:10.520 like Jack Johnson. It was all of that all Sugarhill 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:17.640 wish with Bernie Warril. And that's how I feel like 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:20.840 as far as working with Harriet Tubman, because like God 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.200 led me to this band. I was in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:27.160 and I just went out. I went out because I 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.880 just had to. Yeah, and it's like make a left 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:31.479 hand ter, make a right hand tern. I ended up 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:33.560 at this place that it was like they had a 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:36.760 lot of this is place called Galavagos. It's not there, 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:40.360 not no more. But basically I happened upon the spot 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:44.400 like I let myself be led to this sign on 1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:48.960 the sidewalk that says Harriet Tubman playing now. And I 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:54.920 was like what I was like twenty years old. I 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:58.599 go in there. I had just finished like worth nothings 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:01.080 and all this, like like I'm myfulilosophies all the way 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.559 together at this point. It's like it's all the way together. 1:31:04.960 --> 1:31:08.120 And I hear these cats that like live there, like 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.200 they live there. I'm like they understand what it is 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:16.120 I'm doing. I'm like, oh, I understand them. I'm one 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:21.559 of them. And I remember being there and getting againnes 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:27.280 stout for dinner and like tripping out like they had 1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:29.439 a month residency, and I went every day like I 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:32.439 went every week that they were playing, because it felt 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:36.040 like this alternative if there was a jew joint for 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:39.559 somebody like me, this would be the Blues that would 1:31:39.560 --> 1:31:40.639 be playing on stage. 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:41.800 Where can I find this. 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:46.240 Harriet Tubman? You better do the knowledge. The terror end 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:49.760 of Beauty is an incredible record. I mean they've been 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:52.439 jamming since ninety eight, Like Melvin gives the bass players 1:31:52.560 --> 1:31:54.759 one of the founding members of the Black Rock Coalition. 1:31:57.360 --> 1:31:59.040 Well, yeah, yeah, I. 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:02.799 Mean JT's liminal thrash Monster. I mean, as a drummer 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:06.720 is one of the most genius drummers I've ever heard 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:09.960 in my life as far as like being able to 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:16.040 play not not much up above a hush and all 1:32:16.160 --> 1:32:20.839 this shit man like like like tumbling, like it's almost 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:23.920 like a ninja that's like can hop on like the 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:26.400 roof and you don't hear him land. You know. It's 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:33.120 like these cats is musical ninjas, you know. And I've 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:35.639 been a fan of them since I was twenty years old, 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.960 like so like to be forty two. This is the 1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:41.559 dream gig. And so what happened is that we had 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.880 both had the same booking agent. I was playing at 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:50.479 the Detroit Jazz Festival and Maurice, the booking agent, was like, well, 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:54.120 you know, Harriet Tubman's gonna be playing there too, and 1:32:54.360 --> 1:32:56.800 I represent them as well, and uh, what do you 1:32:56.840 --> 1:32:58.960 think about playing with her? I said, you don't know 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:01.160 about Harriet Tully too st to know about some harrytails, 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:02.680 like what youre talking about, but don't talk about my 1:33:02.960 --> 1:33:05.439 don't talk about my band. You don't know about Harry 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:08.280 telling you know what you know about. No, I'll have 1:33:08.400 --> 1:33:12.200 them call it, you know. And so I was like, 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:14.080 He's like, would you want them to? Because He's like, 1:33:14.120 --> 1:33:17.320 you're already because during the time where I'm like politically 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:21.360 digging in, like as far as like music as our language, 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:23.920 you know that we can have accents like you know, 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:26.400 And I'm going like, I'm playing in the moment because 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:28.720 coming out of the pandemic, I wanted a place for 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:32.360 musicians to be able to acknowledge that we can't move forward. 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:34.560 I wanted so I used my band staying as a 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:37.320 place for advocacy for musicianship. So I was like, we're 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:38.040 playing in the moment. 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:39.320 What did you do? 1:33:41.280 --> 1:33:44.599 Twenty twenty was the year where I probably played drums 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:49.200 the least. Was the year that I've I've never not 1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:52.000 been on a stage, like eight months in a row 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.799 and not had a show, not been on a stage, 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:56.479 not seeing an audience eight months. 1:33:56.760 --> 1:33:58.280 What did you do during the pandemic? 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:03.080 I put out a record that was wild and it 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:05.960 did well. I put out a record during the pandemic 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.800 that that's wild, but I did, yeah, and it was 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:11.840 called Momy. You can bet it's like my favorite record 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:15.080 I made. It's my favorite one, you know, because it's 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:18.479 like where Jot goes completely like vocal, Like there's vocal 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:19.400 jams like you know. 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:25.200 But so creativity didn't wane or change much in the pandemic, 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:28.680 like and I mean, like what did you do? I mean, 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:32.680 I know you've released records, but like for you, was 1:34:32.880 --> 1:34:37.519 creativity or just how you channeled different than it? 1:34:37.720 --> 1:34:40.920 I mean, I definitely it allowed me to rest a 1:34:41.000 --> 1:34:43.920 lot more because I have been working, and you know, 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:46.840 when you worked so hard, I've been worked so hard 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:50.880 for so long. I was able to really key back 1:34:50.960 --> 1:34:55.360 into like getting spiritually buffed, like you know, having meditate 1:34:55.600 --> 1:35:00.360 elongated meditation time and understanding the benefit of you know, 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:06.960 spiritual spiritual activities you know, like things that help you 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:13.000 to evolve, you know, breathing and meditation and prayer and 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:17.000 you know, journaling and understand why what am I doing 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:17.320 this for? 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:17.560 What? 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:19.799 You know, you get a chance to like take personal 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:22.240 inventory and I feel like as I did that, I 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:27.040 became very much magnetic, even like magnetizing certain songs at 1:35:27.080 --> 1:35:30.000 that time where social media really had like a height. 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:32.760 I think it was a balloon that was growing, like 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:35.360 I think it balloon during the pandemic because it was 1:35:35.439 --> 1:35:38.040 something still like so much real about it as far 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:41.040 as like I could put out a song to help 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:45.200 people feel good about themselves, or like putting out songs 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:47.680 would be like just something that loops around and like 1:35:48.400 --> 1:35:50.639 help people to stay in a positive state of mind. 1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:53.800 You know, how do you deal with stress or what's 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:54.920 your self cared routine? 1:35:55.320 --> 1:35:58.360 Well, God told me something about stress. And what God 1:35:58.439 --> 1:36:03.519 told me was that stresses. This is literally the veneration 1:36:03.640 --> 1:36:05.960 of a strange God. You know, before people start to 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:09.880 like judge other people right, like to be like, oh, 1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:15.240 you know, yo, Jesus, don't look like he the Beg's 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:19.680 from Australia, Like before all that happens, you know, or 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:21.960 you know Christianity, Jesus, you know all that before all 1:36:22.000 --> 1:36:25.720 of this starts happening, right, Well, the strangest God is 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:29.599 the one that that terrifies your nervous system. The strangest 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.519 God is the one that actually like raises cortisol in 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:35.560 your in your being that you know, like the Cortisol's 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:38.280 alarm system to say that, hey, you haven't released this. 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:42.080 You're not trusting that life has you in the call 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:45.320 of its hand. You you're not trusting that that you 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.360 are not just your own consciousness. 1:36:49.920 --> 1:36:52.040 Sometimes we all do. 1:36:52.479 --> 1:36:54.160 God wouldn't have told me nothing if I didn't, if 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:56.479 I didn't need to get told, He got me told. 1:36:56.880 --> 1:37:00.280 So it was just like, stress is the veneration of 1:37:00.439 --> 1:37:03.960 a strange God, the one that doesn't come through, the 1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:07.639 one that doesn't keep the promises, the one that lies 1:37:07.720 --> 1:37:13.280 to you about everything. And when it was reframed as worship, 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:17.360 that's when I could get really tight, you know. And 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:23.400 sometimes I'm stressing non vocally, you know, just because of 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.600 my neural sauce. Sometimes sometimes my fist will just be 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:30.439 balled up kind of and I have to like remember 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:35.240 it go, you know, and open up and be okay, 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:38.120 you know. And I think a lot of the time too, 1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:41.600 because I'm a helper be you know, I love to 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:45.160 help people so much that sometimes I do it to 1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:48.120 my own self because I just want to be help. 1:37:48.200 --> 1:37:51.000 I love solutions that I hear solutions so fast that 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:53.880 I can like, oh, oh, let's try this, let's try it. Oh, 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:58.960 and then when the level of engagement isn't met, then 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:02.560 a stress can can happen. So now before I do 1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:04.840 those things, I can have an idea and I know 1:38:04.920 --> 1:38:07.000 that I can write it down somewhere as a prayer, 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:11.240 and if it comes back up to me, if somebody 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:13.640 asks me for my help, then I can say, oh, 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:15.840 I was thinking about this. I have this for you, 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:19.680 instead of going like taking on everyone's problems, you know. 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:22.320 But for me, what I do with stress is that 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:28.280 I go outside and I do this deep bent as 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:30.680 if like you know, a moonwalk, like you know the 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:34.679 astronaut like when they land, I do a deep slow 1:38:34.800 --> 1:38:37.400 motion BND like I just landed back on planet Earth. 1:38:38.439 --> 1:38:42.120 And when I get back up like this, somehow the 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:47.400 trees begin to lay hello, and I start over, and 1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:51.040 then I remember the trees are holding hand beneath my feet, 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:55.519 you know, they're holding their hands right under my feet, 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:58.920 and I could feel that, you know, and I could 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:05.080 listen like when I'm stressing out, it's because I'm jumping 1:39:05.160 --> 1:39:09.760 to conclusions about every passing moment. I'm jumping to these 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:13.160 conclusions that are poisonous, you know, instead of going like, 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:18.920 don't jump there yet, just listen, Just listen here, let 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:21.719 your heart beat a few more times. You're not gonna 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:23.920 die from letting your heart beat few more times. You're 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:27.320 gonna die from not doing that. You're not gonna die 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:29.720 from taking one more breath before you come up with 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:33.439 an answer. You're gonna die from not taking a breath 1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:35.960 before you come up with another answer. So it's just 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:40.200 those kind of things, you know. And then also music. 1:39:41.880 --> 1:39:44.720 I like, I'll turn on the mog, you know, I 1:39:44.800 --> 1:39:48.519 have a grandmother mog, and I'll I'll do the win 1:39:48.600 --> 1:39:52.240 grease man. I'll get start greasing the wind man. I'll start. 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:55.320 I turn a knob intil the part of my spine, 1:39:55.479 --> 1:40:01.559 like relax, you know, And I use my I use 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:05.680 my discomfort as a map for what sounds gonna come 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:09.640 up next. I'll do that. And I'll do that with 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:12.120 one speaker on. It don't even matter. I just funk 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:15.160 in Monel right there. And then I'm like, then keep 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:17.519 that on, right, I've done that for other folks. There's 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:20.400 some other folks that I was supposed to produce their record, right, 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:22.760 I'm gonna keep them anonymous to protect them, you know. 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:26.679 But like there's people that was in such a world. 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:29.840 It wasn't about making no music. It was about hearing 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.679 what the problem was, turn it on that mode Model 1:40:32.760 --> 1:40:37.040 D and recording that and they can go home with that, 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:41.479 go play that so that you can come on back, 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:44.120 you know what I'm saying. You know, sometimes it just 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:46.880 takes one tumb before it before somebody had to be 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:49.519 working at something. It's just be like, well, take two 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.400 of ease and call me in the morning for real, 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:54.280 you know. So I've done that as a producer, like 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:57.360 send somebody home, like just chill with that, and it'll 1:40:57.400 --> 1:40:59.599 be like, thank you so much, because it'd be like, yo, 1:40:59.680 --> 1:41:02.280 I feel like I went swimming or something, you know. 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:04.960 And then of course I've had a lot of guinea 1:41:05.000 --> 1:41:05.920 pigs like tests on. 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.920 People where do you feel it? 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:11.840 Where do you feeling you know, like like and then 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:15.000 when everybody's doing the same thing, you know, yeah here, 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:20.000 you know. But the way that I answer stress is strategy. 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:24.920 You know. Strategy helps me like mitigate stress, you know. 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:28.040 So it's like it'll be like a whole sequence of 1:41:28.120 --> 1:41:31.120 some kind. Maybe it's me landing slow motion back on planet, 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:36.200 or maybe it's you know, toning into my lumbard so 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:40.519 that it loosens up. You know. Sometimes it's cooking, you know. 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:42.320 Sometimes it's a pot of black eyed peas. You know, 1:41:43.200 --> 1:41:46.080 you know Collin Greens, you know, make some candy ams 1:41:46.160 --> 1:41:48.920 just because just make them, you know, make some candy. Hm. 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:51.080 That's what's wrong with you. You ain't had no home cooking, 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:51.640 you know. 1:41:52.800 --> 1:41:57.519 Question what other talent do you possess that we are 1:41:57.680 --> 1:41:58.160 unaware of? 1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:01.800 What other I don't know. I don't know, because if 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:05.160 you it depends. I think it's regional because we're on town. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:07.439 Like I got the best black eyed peas in town. 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:10.920 That's it. That's just the truth. That's just the truth, 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:13.560 you know. And if and if they taste. 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:16.200 Good, it's the way, go ahead, finish. 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.600 Oh no, no, it's all right. No, I mean no, 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:20.560 they're gonna be the best. I'm trying to tell you, 1:42:20.640 --> 1:42:22.599 you know what I'm saying. Like I think people judge 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:23.560 because my wrists. 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:23.680 Look like this. 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:26.920 They'd be like, you don't be cooking. They'd be like, 1:42:27.000 --> 1:42:29.400 oh no, I don't see, No, you ain't got nothing 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:31.120 going on right there, you know what I mean. I 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.000 really do cook. I really, I actually really cook. I 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:36.599 love to cook. I cook for the community. It's part 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:40.280 of my spiritual path. It's like it's my spiritual It's 1:42:40.320 --> 1:42:43.200 like for me cooking as martial arts because I think 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:49.599 one day it's gonna be a day where we love 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:52.920 ourselves more as a people and we can value more 1:42:53.000 --> 1:42:56.120 things about how we go about stuff. When soul food 1:42:56.240 --> 1:43:00.280 can be like a whole. Like the way people teach 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:03.839 yoga's way, they'll teach culinary arts. Like you know, everybody 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:06.240 sit down and be like now, if you feel like 1:43:06.360 --> 1:43:09.759 yelling at somebody, you need to chill. Okay, take a breath. 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:12.559 You know first of all that we don't want none 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:14.439 of that in our food. That's nasty. Don't put that 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:16.080 in our food, you know what I mean. 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:17.240 But it's funny. 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.960 But with the sisters, like we are like that anyway 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.160 when you talk, when sisters talk to this other and 1:43:23.240 --> 1:43:26.960 be like good every day. I don't cook cookies when 1:43:27.000 --> 1:43:32.320 I got to work through it with this attitude, you 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:34.040 know what I'm saying, Like that kind of stuff, Like 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:36.599 I feel like I don't know the arts and sciences 1:43:36.720 --> 1:43:40.639 where they kind of like collide is through those kinds 1:43:40.640 --> 1:43:43.519 of conversations. So I'm always very interested in that. In cooking. 1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:48.400 I love cooking I love art. I'm an avid water colorist. 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:52.360 Our water color every day. I love it like it's 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:55.320 I love it. I mean, I have so much art 1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:56.720 to the point where I'm gonna have to figure out 1:43:56.760 --> 1:43:59.240 storage in a second. It's I do textile, al right. 1:43:59.320 --> 1:44:02.120 I love to quach. I love to I love to paint. 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:05.080 And one of my favorite pieces in acrylic is called 1:44:05.160 --> 1:44:10.000 Father water Malone and it's like a like five feet 1:44:10.120 --> 1:44:12.560 by three feet, you know, like I'll be painting. So 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:16.120 I love to paint. And I feel like. 1:44:19.760 --> 1:44:20.360 Who knew? 1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:23.519 I knew because that was like the first conversation we 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:26.120 had back in the day, my first my first conversation 1:44:26.240 --> 1:44:28.840 with but I was like, do you paint? 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:36.000 And he was like, yeah, everybody that paints. Chuck D's 1:44:36.040 --> 1:44:37.639 one of them. George Clinton is one of them. 1:44:37.800 --> 1:44:38.479 I collect. 1:44:38.960 --> 1:44:41.280 He's a beat us a beat yo. 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:48.519 George Chuck D and I were talking last week about uh, 1:44:49.160 --> 1:44:54.560 I believe otis Redding And as we were talking, I 1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:57.760 didn't realize he did a full blown sketch. I guess 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.160 he just does that as a therapeutic thing. And to 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:04.479 here bono from you two also the same. I want 1:45:04.520 --> 1:45:07.640 to collect some of your work this conversation could have 1:45:07.720 --> 1:45:12.400 been more timely, and I'm also kicking myself that it's 1:45:12.520 --> 1:45:17.200 taken twenty plus years for us to really talk and 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:20.200 have this conversation. But I'm actually glad I got to 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:24.320 witness you from demo to where you are now. You're 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:29.040 metamorphosis and yeah, man, you're just really You're so channeled. 1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:35.200 I have hope for the future because of your creative 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:36.680 Thank you, and I want to. 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:39.400 Thank you doing my podcast for me, Yo, thank you, 1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:42.280 Thank you so much for your love of music. Thank 1:45:42.360 --> 1:45:44.240 you so much for letting me know I could be 1:45:44.479 --> 1:45:48.120 expressive and be I just love how much you love music. Man. 1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:51.679 I love that, I love your I love how detail 1:45:51.920 --> 1:45:55.400 gets for you and it doesn't, you know, for me. 1:45:56.160 --> 1:45:59.599 I'm just happy that we can just see that we've 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:03.000 been each other all along as people, that this is 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:05.720 the time where we can draw nearer. And I'm so 1:46:05.880 --> 1:46:08.560 looking forward to all the rest of the things that 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:11.360 you'll do to enjoy yourself even more and more all 1:46:11.439 --> 1:46:11.840 the time. 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:15.160 Well, I'm looking forward to my play The Black Eyed Piece, 1:46:15.200 --> 1:46:16.479 so I'm gonna remind you of that. 1:46:16.680 --> 1:46:20.719 But yeah, thank you so much. 1:46:20.760 --> 1:46:23.479 Ladies and gentlemen. Once again, Georgia and Mandureau. 1:46:23.720 --> 1:46:27.719 There are twenty three plus albums that you can immerse 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:31.439 yourself in and really and I never do this. I 1:46:31.560 --> 1:46:33.640 never have to sell an artists on the show, but 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:37.840 we owe it to ourselves to I don't know, go 1:46:38.160 --> 1:46:41.560 go high vibrational and you know, and this is what 1:46:42.040 --> 1:46:43.760 and you know again, I've never been to the person 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:46.880 and been like hey, like and subscribe like, but I 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:50.920 want you guys to really support, like if you're here 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:53.840 at this point of this interview, I want you to 1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:57.280 because we don't get to hear your words and this 1:46:57.520 --> 1:47:00.400 is what you know. 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