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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's start there with Albert Breer, the senior

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Speaker 1: NFL reporter for the Monday Morning Quarterback. He's been at

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, Vikings, Packers, Bears, Lions, Colts, Browns, Bengals, Niners, Cardinals, Chargers, Cowboys, Rams,

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Speaker 1: Raiders camps. I should have just said the camps you

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Speaker 1: haven't been at. That might have been quicker there. This

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Speaker 1: feels like it came out of nowhere that we're now

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Speaker 1: enforcing the taunting rule here. Why well, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: that unusual. I think normally this time of year, Dan,

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Speaker 1: they'll put out this video and this video actually gets

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Speaker 1: played for all the players within the thirty two teams.

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that we have this this rule

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Speaker 1: clarification or emphasis, that sort of thing happens every year.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's probably just to you know, like Tom,

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Speaker 1: they're reported to tone down some of the like I guess,

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Speaker 1: confrontations on the field that come from these sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: And we saw it in a Super Bowl, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Matthew and Um and Tom Brady got after each other,

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Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield and uh and Tyreek Kill got after each other,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I my guests would be and

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Speaker 1: I dig I need to dig into this a little

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Speaker 1: bit more. My guests would be because they've like loosened

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Speaker 1: the rules on touchdown celebrations. Um that maybe they feel

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Speaker 1: like that's sort of spilled over into celebrations of other

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Speaker 1: plays or taunting, and maybe they want to take care

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Speaker 1: of that. Um, it's an emotional game, you know, so

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Speaker 1: like I think you have to let some stuff go.

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Speaker 1: But UM, my guests would be that the coaches here

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Speaker 1: would probably be looking to try to avoid the sort

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Speaker 1: of confrontations that we saw on the Super Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I like those confrontations. I like them too. I'm

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Speaker 1: all for them. But uh, I mean, like it's good

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Speaker 1: for the drama. I mean that's what we're watching. This

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Speaker 1: is soap opera for guys, right, if that's where football is. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I like when it's not scripted. I like when you

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Speaker 1: get true emotion. And usually the NFL plays to the fans,

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Speaker 1: like what are the fans upset about? What are the

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Speaker 1: fans want? It feels like they act we ask. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there was this outcry from the fans

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Speaker 1: saying we're tired of seeing taunting. The coaches might feel

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Speaker 1: like I've already got enough to manage. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to have to manage my player's behavior. Okay, that's my guess, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you, I've got enough problems out here fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to be getting on you know,

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Speaker 1: my rookie defensive backends fun Winfield forgive and Tyree Hill

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Speaker 1: the peace sign? You know, any other rule changes that

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Speaker 1: happened that maybe weren't on the front burner. No, I

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Speaker 1: mean I I'm just trying to think of like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, one that one to me

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Speaker 1: that I think it's a bigger deal than people realize,

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Speaker 1: is that they outlawed cut blocking outside of the tackle box.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think people recognize how common that is,

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Speaker 1: like outside zone runs and then almost every screen pass.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many screens have you seen where there

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Speaker 1: isn't someone a lineman cutting, a linebacker cutting a defensive back.

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Speaker 1: You know, Now, if you eliminate some of that, like,

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Speaker 1: I think that could wind up having a sneaky, big

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Speaker 1: impact just because of the way those things are taught,

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Speaker 1: you know. And look, I think defensive players are going

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Speaker 1: to applaud this because you know what every defensive player

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Speaker 1: would tell you is you've been protecting the offensive players forever,

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Speaker 1: and here we got people going after our knees. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have like a stuff happening underneath the pile, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I think defensive players would applaud this, but

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Speaker 1: it's just as far as like the flow of the game.

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Speaker 1: One that I think slipped into the radar a little

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Speaker 1: bit this offseason would be that one the further outline

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Speaker 1: of cup blocking, which again I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: also going to have a really big effect on screens.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the sexiest thing in the world, but

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Speaker 1: I think there'll be an impact there. The Athletic had

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Speaker 1: a column the twenty five most intriguing players for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one NFL season, and even though this player

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Speaker 1: who wasn't on the list might not have an big

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Speaker 1: impact on the regular season, I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: a player under a more watchful eye than Jordan Love,

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Speaker 1: because now he's going to play all these preseason games.

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Speaker 1: Now we get to see just how good he is

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Speaker 1: and what that means for the possible future. If you're

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Speaker 1: a Packer fan, and you see progress there, you might

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Speaker 1: not be holding on for dear life to Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: That you might realize we do have something here, or

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we got to hold on to Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Is there somebody who's more intriguing in the preseason than

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love and your Well, so think about this, Dan,

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Speaker 1: all right? So last year, no OTAs, no mini camp.

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Speaker 1: They get to training camp, and really every coach is

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Speaker 1: in the mode where we only have enough practice time

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Speaker 1: to get our starters ready. Right, backups don't really backup

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't really run the offense during the season. So

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love wasn't getting a lot of reps in the

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Speaker 1: summer because they're getting Aaron Rodgers ready, didn't wasn't able

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Speaker 1: to run the Packers offense much in the fall because

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Speaker 1: he's running the scout team. And then they get to

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Speaker 1: the spring and I had a coach there tell me

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Speaker 1: that if they ran three hundred rap in OTAs, and

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Speaker 1: this is just like a guestimate, they were in three

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Speaker 1: hundred reps in the OTAs for the offense, Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: took two hundred and seventy of them. So that that's

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Speaker 1: about that's across the first team, second team, all those guys.

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Speaker 1: So you had this guy from getting almost no reps

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Speaker 1: and they didn't feel like he was ready at all

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Speaker 1: coming out of last year, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why they were so adamant about holding onto Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: And then they had him drinking out of a fire

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Speaker 1: hose in essence with Rogers gone in a spring. So

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Speaker 1: fascinating seeing how he looks. And without question, you know

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Speaker 1: this position that Packers are in after this year where

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers going into a contract year

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to make a decision on what

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Speaker 1: to do with him, and he could refuse to sign

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Speaker 1: they could extend him. All of that I think is

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Speaker 1: colored by what happens with Jordan Love. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the Packers have spent the last three four months trying

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Speaker 1: like that could have a massive impact on the way

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Speaker 1: that they approach next February March. The worst backup quarterback

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Speaker 1: situation is which team? Jets? Maybe you know, I like

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Speaker 1: how much a competitive team? Did you know? James Morgan

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Speaker 1: is because the Jets, but a competitive team, A competitive team.

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Speaker 1: If I was the Rams, I wouldn't feel tremendous about

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Speaker 1: what they've got behind Matthew Stafford. Are you confident with

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Speaker 1: Rams played their backup last year. I mean, Bend Nucci

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Speaker 1: The Colts, I think the Cowboys are there. The Colts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Jacob. But the thing is, like Jacob Eason at

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Speaker 1: least had some level of pedigree, played big time college football,

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Speaker 1: has skill like like skill sets. Fine, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean with him, it's just after the snap he

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Speaker 1: of why Sam Ellinger got got some reps. But at

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Speaker 1: least they've got a couple of guys they've drafted that

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Speaker 1: are in the pipeline, like I wouldn't. I think if

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Speaker 1: you ask most teams, they would take Jacob Eason over

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Speaker 1: Bend Nucci just based on talent because at least Easton

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Speaker 1: there's a ceiling there and he played at University of George.

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Speaker 1: He played at the University of Washington. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what this is really about, right, Like going into

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Speaker 1: Here's some good situations. The Raiders have Marcus Mariota, Browns

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Speaker 1: they could both be bad. Dolphins have Jacoby Brissette, Um Bears, Niners,

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Speaker 1: Patriots with rookie quarterbacks. I mean, even Blaine Gabbert isn't horrible, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's fine. I mean, you wouldn't want to be

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Speaker 1: So like they've got like a you know, veteran guy

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Speaker 1: And so I mean having a guy, you know, like

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Speaker 1: factor in this whole thing, but I think Nick Foles

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, was with Nick Foles in Philadelphia. And wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you want Zach Wilson Beyonce is what you're saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: catch up with you as always. The best training camp

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Speaker 1: stop that you had was weird. Man. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Like watching the Rams practice right now. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna pick the Packers to win the NFC, But the

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Speaker 1: Rams have really they really made me think about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just the way the operation runs and

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Speaker 1: the way Matthew Stafford looks, and just watching where Heem

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Speaker 1: Morris is the new defensive coordinator, and watching the way

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is with his teammates. There's a really good

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Speaker 1: Give me the team that you came away going oh like,

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Speaker 1: Steelers offensive line I would be concerned with. I would

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Speaker 1: just like that when I was there, they had a

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Speaker 1: James Harrison carried the team good. I think at least

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Speaker 1: that Steeler's offensive line. And Mike Tomlin always figures this

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Speaker 1: worried if I was there. Oh, this was brought up

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Speaker 1: by one of our listeners. Why are Mike Shanahan and

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Albert, Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: so good that they won a super Bowl and he

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Speaker 1: carried them. It wasn't like, oh seven, he carried them

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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. Do you want those peaks? Do you

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Speaker 1: want those two super Bowls but a bunch of years

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Speaker 1: where you all make the playoffs? Or do you want

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Speaker 1: to you know, get it on the green every single

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Speaker 1: year like the Cowboys did with Tony Romo and just

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Speaker 1: kind of see what happens. I think it's a It's

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Speaker 1: an honest question that doesn't have a great answer, and

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Speaker 1: I think depending on your perspective, like, yeah, give me

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Speaker 1: the two championships like Eli brought us, versus give me

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Speaker 1: the consistency that Romo brought us, but we never got,

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Speaker 1: you know, to the championship games. I think it's an

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Speaker 1: honest and fair question. But yeah, Romo, throw forth, throw again.

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Speaker 1: It was definitely a better quarterback than Eli Manning. Good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Steve, Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: as always, you got it, Thanks Dan. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: used to be with the Packers in the front office

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Speaker 1: and joins us. Now, all right, let me ask you that.

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Speaker 1: Let me start there, Eli Manning against Tony Romo. Which

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Speaker 1: quarterback do you want? I was a victim of that

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Speaker 1: Elier Manning, one of those runs you just talked about,

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Speaker 1: So that stays with me. Dan. You know, he came

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Speaker 1: into Lambeau the two thousand and eight NFC championship. God,

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Speaker 1: they were on the road for four weeks. We were

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Speaker 1: expecting to play Dallas, who they beat. We were ready

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Speaker 1: to go to Dallas, and all of a sudden, we're

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Speaker 1: hosting the game. It's going to be minus five degrees.

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Speaker 1: We're like, this is great. We're on the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then all of a sudden he attacks

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Speaker 1: us with Plexico Burrows. I remember that somehow, some way

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Speaker 1: we didn't play well. We got to overtime, we did

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Speaker 1: because what was his name? The kicker kept missing easy

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Speaker 1: extra points and field goals times and then bread through

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Speaker 1: a pick in overtime and Brett's last throw with the Packers.

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Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking. So everything's judged by personal experience, So

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play elive. You know that stuck

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Speaker 1: with me. But there's certain guys who are just better

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Speaker 1: in the postseason, a big game. Like what is it about?

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Speaker 1: I know it's who you play, where you're playing, but like,

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Speaker 1: let's start with bread Farve. What's far Did you consider

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Speaker 1: him great in the postseason? Was he different? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: mean I think we've seen the best and worst of

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Speaker 1: Farve in the postseason, right. We saw that he had

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Speaker 1: a lot of interception games where tried to force things,

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Speaker 1: but he has that resilience that you saw in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl that eighty one, and the way he played

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Speaker 1: in major major games. I mean, I think all the

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Speaker 1: great ones dan have this stability to sort of put

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Speaker 1: aside all the hype and the nerves and all that

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Speaker 1: that goes into it. Certainly Brady's, certainly Aaron. They have

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Speaker 1: a chill about them in these big moments. Going back

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Speaker 1: to Joe Montana, I mean, I think it's just that

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Speaker 1: has carried them all the way from junior high school

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Speaker 1: all the way up. Who's the third best quarterback of

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Speaker 1: all time? You're talking about who's one and two? You

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Speaker 1: got to tell me about Well, Brady's one, Yeah, Montana

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Speaker 1: two yeah, okay, So who's three. I mean, we talked

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Speaker 1: about them all offseason. I'm biased. I think Aaron you know,

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna judge on Super Bowls. I get it. But

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Speaker 1: Aaron's got abilities that I don't think anyone's ever had.

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Speaker 1: And Mahomes has some of that right now, but it's

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Speaker 1: obviously early in his career. But two of my guys

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Speaker 1: to may go down as third. You know, whether Farbara Rogers,

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Speaker 1: you don't just have to look at those. I'm biased, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I get that. I get that little territorial

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, all right. You stated, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you tweeted this out, but you said,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's not playing for the Texans. That's that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna There's been conflicting reports there. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: he no longer plays? And at what point did the

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Speaker 1: Texans say, we know he's no longer playing and we're

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Speaker 1: going to get rid of him. Yeah. I'm listen. I'm

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Speaker 1: a lawyer, and I always look at precedent, and we've

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Speaker 1: had so much precedent in the area of conduct with

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Speaker 1: this commissioner. I call him the conduct Commissioner. I point

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Speaker 1: to two examples of star players. Now we have a

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Speaker 1: star player in Houston, Okay, twenty ten, Ben Roethlisberger. Something

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Speaker 1: happened in the back of a bar with a woman

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Speaker 1: in a bathroom. We still don't know what. Georgia investigations.

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Speaker 1: There was no criminal charges. Ben Roethlisberger, six games suspension

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Speaker 1: reduced to four, but six games suspension. Seven years later,

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Speaker 1: two seventeen, Ezekiel Elliott something happened with a woman. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't even a cowboy yet, but he had been drafted

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Speaker 1: six games, no criminal charges, six games. So if we've

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Speaker 1: got the same commissioner, right, the conduct Commission, we've got

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Speaker 1: a player charge with twenty something crime I'm sorry, twenty

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Speaker 1: something civil and nine or ten criminal complaints. And even

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Speaker 1: if you sort of surmise, oh my god, they're all

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Speaker 1: making it up, it's in big conspiracy. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: does this commissioner allow this guy to play anywhere near

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Speaker 1: past a six game suspension? How? How? But what if

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Speaker 1: it all goes away? What if the name wait, whoa

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Speaker 1: what do we we're waiting for? How do we know

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Speaker 1: anything happened with Roethlisberger and Elliott? I mean it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but what point does the Commissioner have to help out

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Speaker 1: the Texans to say I'm either going to put him

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Speaker 1: on the Commissioner's example list, We're going to suspend him,

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Speaker 1: or nothing is going to happen because teams aren't going

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Speaker 1: to trade until they hear from the League office. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two things. I don't know. I don't know what's taken

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Speaker 1: so long because we hear about women. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: the witnesses aren't being compliant, maybe this or that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Lisa Freel is not getting the information she wants and

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Speaker 1: investigating this matter. But to me, the Texans have to

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Speaker 1: know and listen, Dan, the Texans can't just sort of

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Speaker 1: slide through this if they think there's culpable actions. They

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Speaker 1: could have done something and they're waiting for the commissioner

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Speaker 1: to leave it to Roger. That kind of thing. The

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Speaker 1: other part of this you mentioned the trading teams people

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Speaker 1: talk about Philadelphia. I'm like, really, really, you're going to

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Speaker 1: use this opportunity to try to get a good deal

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Speaker 1: and then you're going to sell that your fan base like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got them for like one first, but don't worry

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Speaker 1: about that other stuff. We've got a great deal. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna sell that to your fan base that includes

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Speaker 1: half women. I mean, I don't see how he plays

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Speaker 1: for anyone this year until maybe late in the season

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Speaker 1: Texans or otherwise. Yeah, but what changes late in the

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be to posed till February. Nothings.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna change here unless he settles all these lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: And if he does, then people are going to still

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Speaker 1: say you were guilty. Is a team still gonna go well,

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Speaker 1: he was sort of guilty here? I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the other precedent I point out is Greg

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Speaker 1: Hardy and Adrian Peterson twenty fourteen. I remember they commissioner

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Speaker 1: example list and was for players coming off like holdouts.

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Speaker 1: It was never used for this, so they brought it

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Speaker 1: out of cobwebs and they said, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: park these guys like Adrian Peterson took a stick to

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Speaker 1: his son, Greg Hardy beat up his girlfriend. We can't

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Speaker 1: put him out there, but we're gonna pay him. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna park them. I mean, how do they put Jashaun

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Speaker 1: Watson on the field this year? I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: So you're right, what's going on? How is he going

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Speaker 1: to change? And I guess what I'm saying, and maybe

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Speaker 1: you're agreeing with I don't see him on the field.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, you have Josh Allen getting the

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Speaker 1: new contract, and then we're waiting for Baker Mayfield and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson that they're next. And my point is, why

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Speaker 1: do I have to rush every contract with a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Why does every quarterback the next one up get more

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Speaker 1: than the previous one. Because I don't think Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield are better than Josh Allen. I certainly

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Speaker 1: don't think Baker is, and I wouldn't sign Baker right now.

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Speaker 1: I need to see I want to see one more year.

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Speaker 1: How does he with Stefanski's offense? A running game? You know,

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Speaker 1: they're led by their defense. Like those are kind of

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Speaker 1: things that I think are a little bit tricky. It's

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Speaker 1: not like I rubber stamp Baker Mayfield go yep, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give him what they gave Josh Allen. Where

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Speaker 1: do you stand on the Brown's approach with Baker? I

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Speaker 1: agree with that and the Ravens too. I would wait.

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Speaker 1: I know, listen, I'll talk about the downside of waiting

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Speaker 1: a minute. But the reason I wait is what you

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Speaker 1: And also you've got some history now that are bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Carson Wentz and Jared Goff who

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Speaker 1: talks about Wentz a lot. Three years right away, give

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Speaker 1: them the big extension. Now they're dealing with cap consequences

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Speaker 1: for disastrous decisions to why not wait? You know the

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Speaker 1: Colts waited four years with Andrew Luck and he was great.

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Speaker 1: Why not wait? The problem you get is the personal problem,

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Speaker 1: right Dan, so Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson can say,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, what about you don't think of me

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Speaker 1: the way bills think of Josh Allen. But it also

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Speaker 1: depends on negotiations. People talk about two hundred fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars one hundred million guarantee. Great Josh Allen, but they

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Speaker 1: got him for eight years. Maybe John, Maybe they want

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Speaker 1: more of a Press Scott deal four years and get

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Speaker 1: another big bite at the apple. So maybe it's on

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Speaker 1: the Mayfield agent or the Jackson agent saying I don't

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Speaker 1: want any year deal, not only locked up my whole career,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see where it goes. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Why you have to jump in after three years? You

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Speaker 1: got next year under contract and you got the fifth

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Speaker 1: year option talking to Andrew Brand, sports Illustrated columnist and

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Speaker 1: once work with the Packers front office. There he is

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Speaker 1: offering a one hour webinar that's next Tuesday, that's August

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Speaker 1: seventeenth at eight eastern and tell people how they can

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Speaker 1: sign up for this and what is the agenda. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just thought what everyone go back to school at

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Speaker 1: all levels, from high school to graduate school, and professionals

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Speaker 1: wanting it in the business. It's a good time to

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Speaker 1: and my thoughts having been on the agent side of

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Speaker 1: the team's side, so many ways in the sports business,

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Speaker 1: how to get in and it's really something sort of

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Speaker 1: popular demand. So I'm going to do it next Tuesday night.

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Speaker 1: Just go to my Twitter, go to my Andrew dash

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Speaker 1: Brand dot com and you can sign up from my

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Speaker 1: newsletter and of course this webinar getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: sign ups could be great next Tuesday night. Thanks Dan, awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's August seventeenth at eight eastern. Great to talk to

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Speaker 1: you again, Andrew. Always a pleasure to and talk soon