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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Wow, Hello all, and welcome to Stradio Lab.

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Speaker 1: We have an incredible episode for you today. Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: thought that would be like a fun different way to know.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love when you I can kind

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Speaker 1: of tell when you start the intro when um, you're

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Speaker 1: losing steam. Yeah, we're like a cool five seconds now.

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Speaker 1: I love that I can, I can say the name

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, and I never help you. I always

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Speaker 1: let you do that. No, and you watch with glee.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I kind of like the tradition of

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Speaker 1: you always start you, you always say the first word.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is a podcast without tradition. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's face nothing, it's nothing. But I did think it

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Speaker 1: would be fun to introduce is the podcast sort of

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Speaker 1: as if I know what's going to come? Uh, which

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Speaker 1: I think is fun because obviously I have no idea

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Speaker 1: and there's no way to know. But sort of I

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Speaker 1: mean to bring it back to where we were at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, sort of mark marining the podcast and sort

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Speaker 1: of talking about the interview as if it's already happened. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's fun. It's fun to do that even though it

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Speaker 1: hasn't already happened, and it hasn't already happened, and it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like someone emulating something and not understanding why

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Speaker 1: it's done that way. Oh my god, yes genius and

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Speaker 1: so um hey, maybe we should try it. It's like

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Speaker 1: when people say when people use cliches but they don't

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Speaker 1: make any sense, Like when people are like, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: in love with me, he was in love with the

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Speaker 1: idea of me, but like in context that makes literally

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Speaker 1: no sense, but like about what you're saying, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's also a lot of stand up

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Speaker 1: open mic culture. Specifically, it's a lot of people like

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Speaker 1: using the cadences, using the like tools, but sort of

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Speaker 1: not understanding why they're there or how we got to

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Speaker 1: them in the phrase place. Okay, wait, do you know what?

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Speaker 1: Actually I've been um witnessing this a lot recently with

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Speaker 1: my suggested content on the various social media sites that

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Speaker 1: I spend most of my hours on, is people will

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Speaker 1: kind of caption things with with the sentence that sounds

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Speaker 1: like that that sounds like an algorithmic version of a

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Speaker 1: joke someone would make, So they'll be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the sun isn't so bad, or but that's a

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Speaker 1: bad example because that actually makes sense. But they will

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Speaker 1: be like, you know, it'll be like after a haircut,

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Speaker 1: and they'll be like, sometimes gays get haircuts. Why can't

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Speaker 1: I think of a good one? You know what you

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Speaker 1: brought up? The one you tweeted about this. I know

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Speaker 1: I've already said, but I did get I I gotta.

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Speaker 1: I saw a tweet and the captain was I don't

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Speaker 1: usually like button downs, but this shirt made some points

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Speaker 1: and it was indeed a photo of someone wearing a

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Speaker 1: shirt you're yeah, you're really doing on something like gay Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Language did used to have meaning. It used to be funny,

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Speaker 1: and it used to feel like edgy or something that's right.

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Speaker 1: Now it's completely empty. It's it's nonsensical, and it's just

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Speaker 1: used as like I'm hot and that's the right and

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Speaker 1: then to bring it to bring, you know, to view

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Speaker 1: that also through a feminist lens. The same thing can

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Speaker 1: be said of hot girl culture on Instagram, where you know,

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Speaker 1: let's say a certain woman spelled at the y will

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Speaker 1: at the pool and then the two years and the

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Speaker 1: caption will be like, why can't I think of a

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Speaker 1: good example? Maybe it actually takes more talent to do

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Speaker 1: it badly than to do it well, because everything I

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Speaker 1: think of actually does make sense. What's a good example

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Speaker 1: of Like, let's say I'm I'm posting a photo of

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Speaker 1: myself in a bikini at the pool, and I'm and

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Speaker 1: I like, don't know how language works. What would I write?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say? I guess I know.

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Speaker 1: Like it would be like like hot girls, uh go

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Speaker 1: to Miami, or like that that makes too much sense. No,

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Speaker 1: we don't be like that, but it wouldn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Like it would be like, um, gorgeous girls just girls

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Speaker 1: use their phone. It would be like someone said orange

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Speaker 1: say is a masterpiece. George, this is not I cannot

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Speaker 1: help but feel that this is not endearing to claim

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Speaker 1: lead to backlash. I cannot help but feel we have

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Speaker 1: to be able between the two of us. We have

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Speaker 1: to be able to find an imaginary example of a

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Speaker 1: to think of like Wednesdays or for the sun or

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Speaker 1: said I could sit Oh my god, no, here's what

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Speaker 1: it is. My dad said I could sit by the

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Speaker 1: I could sit by the pool if I eat my vegetables. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see what you mean. It's that's more it's quirkier

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Speaker 1: knowing that you can't just post a photo of yourself

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Speaker 1: by the pool. There has to be a self deprecating element.

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Speaker 1: But then you like don't actually have this stuff that

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Speaker 1: you don't actually um feel something resembling insecurity. In order

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Speaker 1: for you to be um to be self deprecating, you

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Speaker 1: actually do think what you're doing is important, so you

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Speaker 1: have you're like panicked and you're like my dad said,

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Speaker 1: I could sit by the pool if I eat my vegetables. Well,

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Speaker 1: and here's where I'm struggling with this specific prompt is

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Speaker 1: unless they want to. That is really really interesting, Whereas

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Speaker 1: every woman I follow is an absolute moron. Um. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: the gay men that Twitter puts on my feed without

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Speaker 1: my consent are morons, but the ones I follow are gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: gorgeous girls who can eat their vegetables by the pool. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought this was like. When I brought

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Speaker 1: grand point. But I guess all I've done is said

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Speaker 1: women are stupid. No, no, no, you also implied the

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Speaker 1: game in are stupid. Yeah, I guess I did. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's funny because I almost wanted to be original

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Speaker 1: so it's like I've gone full circle of horseshoe theory

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Speaker 1: and I'm just being sexist. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. That works.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the pitfalls of intellectual inquiry. There are

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Speaker 1: and I fall into them every single day. I know,

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Speaker 1: and you know every time we record this episode, we're

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Speaker 1: dodging them left and right. Yes, every one's in a while,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna slip into damn hole. I know. It really

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Speaker 1: is crazy, um that I've I've kind of said anything

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Speaker 1: I can say that would sound intelligent. And now last

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Speaker 1: like I I do feel like, ultimately, are we being

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Speaker 1: just uh kind of edge lords? No? No, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're to our core is too sweet. We can't go

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Speaker 1: do it. And everyone who listens to this knows that

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Speaker 1: if I make some kind of joke, it's out of

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Speaker 1: not just the deep respect for women, but I actually

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Speaker 1: say that. Um, and actually I feel like maybe this

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Speaker 1: in the zoom that you could maybe apologize to, which

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Speaker 1: can bring in a woman. Well, you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: we've been talking for like twelve minutes, so it's like

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Speaker 1: it's about that time. You know what I mean, not

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Speaker 1: to be structured in that way, but we've been holding

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Speaker 1: I honestly feel like we've been talking for like three minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's been a little while. Okay, fine, Um, you know

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Speaker 1: what I should have done this before? Actually, Sarah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what name you're going by right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Who are you? Who? Literally? Who speak for yourself? I

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Speaker 1: want to be referred to as whatever comes out of

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Speaker 1: then I'm going to go with the original. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: happy to be here. And you know what, that came

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be introduced. So what do you think

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Speaker 1: of everything you've heard so far? Okay, do you know

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Speaker 1: how hard it was for me to not pipe up

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Speaker 1: the whole time? I go to pipe up so badly,

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Speaker 1: me mirrored it, you had me censored. You've had me silence.

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Speaker 1: Daddy didn't let you go to the pool because you

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Speaker 1: weren't eating your vegetables. For me, a hot girl, the algorithmic.

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Speaker 1: pisces me right off. It's the whole. It's the whole

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Speaker 1: sand understood the assignment. That's a great example. Oh thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: this turkey. It's giving turkey girl, giving turkey girl, giving

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Speaker 1: or oh you live like this mattress on the floor.

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Speaker 1: What do you want talking about here? You live like this?

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Speaker 1: It pisses me off. Well, now it's interesting because we're

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Speaker 1: getting at the intersection of hot and girls and gay

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Speaker 1: guys on Twitter. So everyone's hands are dirty, very true,

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Speaker 1: and the only people that really are coming out of

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Speaker 1: this unscathed the dark straight men whose behavior online is exemplary. Well,

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Speaker 1: and they've been scolded so much, you know, they've they

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Speaker 1: can't be just being weird on the internet anymore. They

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Speaker 1: can't get like brownie points for just being basic. Like

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's not about being basic. It's like straight

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Speaker 1: guys will be like kill yourself, you know, and then

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Speaker 1: at least it's at least it's easy to critique that.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to it's also like hard. I think we

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Speaker 1: comes out like water does. But for me to like

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Speaker 1: properly mimic the drill slash, ClickHole voice of Twitter, I

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Speaker 1: cannot replicate that. I cannot do it. It is not

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Speaker 1: in the skill set, it's not in the tool belt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't either, and it does still feel um like

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Speaker 1: straight male gate keeping where it's like, well, let me

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Speaker 1: that is your time for today. I have so much

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Speaker 1: I understand that at this when we've reclaimed it so

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Speaker 1: that I think perfectly capsulates like that perfectly capsulates where

423
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: where like what kind of meta world like like this

424
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of like Frankenstein world that these women are occupying,

425
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: where it doesn't even matter what they say as long

426
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: as there is some gesture at both straightforward earnestness and

427
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: self aware and ironic self awareness, like they kind of

428
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: can just say whatever they want because if it's stupid,

429
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: then it's immediately funny, and if it's and if it's smart,

430
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: then their genius. Like, so, where what is the end game?

431
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something slanderous, Okay, I feel like it

432
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: could all to me. It all boils down to the

433
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: phenomenon of now, Like the culture of drag is young

434
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: people growing up watching the reality television show of RuPaul's

435
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: Driver Aways, Yes, and doing drag to be on the

436
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: show RuPaul's Dragways. It's almost as if we live in

437
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: a Philip K. Dick future, dystopian future, where we are

438
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: even taking the most transgressive forms of performance art being

439
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: a housewife, Thanks Sacred. I literally I do think being

440
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: a housewife is one of the most transgressive forms of

441
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: performance art. And I don't even talking about the show.

442
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm just talking. I mean, in the capitalist society, of course,

443
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: your gons marry a dying uh psychopath nazis to live

444
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: in a cheesecake factory looking at his house. Yeah, I

445
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: mean that's you're living. It's a lived in art um.

446
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I love we We haven't gotten to this space in

447
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: a while where the sort of the full we live

448
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: in a society, and to get there in a podcast

449
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: is so bold and so brave. If not here where

450
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: and this is too No, I have no idea how

451
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: necessary this is. I think this piece of podcasting is

452
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: one of the most necessary pieces of media. I think

453
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: you have simultaneously called and and predicted the end of

454
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: podcasting as an art form and reinvented what it is

455
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: to have a podcast. Yes, this is the exception that

456
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: proves the rule, and that this is the one useful

457
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: episode of any podcast, and it is the episode that

458
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: predicts the end of podcasting. I say, can I shoplin

459
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: On that the only way to save this Yes, is

460
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: for you too to start screen recording right now and

461
00:29:52,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: start the reality show of the podcast. Okay, wait, First

462
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: of all, this is being screen recorded. We just have

463
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: never We would never ever, in our in our wildest dreams,

464
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: released the screen recording where only we only would ever

465
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: release the audio. But if someone were to hack into

466
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: my computer, for instance, they could find the screen recording

467
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: of you in your queer presenting outfit, calling for the

468
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: elder podcast, Holy up your Street, holding up a straight

469
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: power fist, calling for the end of podcasting. That's someone

470
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: who supports the pod. Okay, I I this is just

471
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: based on one thing you said, which I think like

472
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: hits the nail on the head. So you're saying, you know,

473
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: the young queer kids watch drag Race and want to

474
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: do drag to be on the show, which is interesting

475
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: because it used to be that like drag culture existed

476
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: outside of it and then this was just like something

477
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: that showcased certain queens. But you're saying, now you watch

478
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: the show and that's why you want to be a

479
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: drag queen. The thing with the rest of the reality shows,

480
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: like the Housewives is like, okay, so you watch that,

481
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: and then that teaches you how to be a person.

482
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Like the only inception you have of being a person

483
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: in the world is like what kind of reality shows

484
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: star can you be? So it's raising little toxic gaze

485
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: and girls to be housewives. There is there is a

486
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: housewife on the Real Housewife's Orange County right now. Okay,

487
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: this goes deep and also this is alleged and conspiratorial,

488
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: but I'm going to state this as if it's back.

489
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: We're talking to episodes in a Real Housewives Orange County.

490
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: She is saying that she has been served divorce papers

491
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: from her husband. We're on Puerto Rico, and the papers

492
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: are in a language that she doesn't understand, and she's

493
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: crying on the show, saying, I can't believe my husband

494
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: is divorcing me out of nowhere and serving me divorce

495
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: papers in a Spanish language that I do not speak.

496
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's fled to Puerto Rico and done

497
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: this to me. I go to his Instagram to his

498
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: direct address from facing camera videos. His name is Attorney

499
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Sweet James. He's got billboards all around Orange County, and

500
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: he is alleging that they lived in Puerto Rico where

501
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: they raised their son, and that to get on the

502
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Orange County, she moved her and her son,

503
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: who Orange County a band paying him in Puerto Rico,

504
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: and now she has fabricated a lie about divorce papers

505
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and fabricated a lie about Puerto Rico being a place

506
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: she's never been, and that his dedication to the craft

507
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: and in your life to becoming a fake person. So

508
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: just to confirm what I'm hearing here is that you

509
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: don't believe women and immediately are taking the man side.

510
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: All it takes is one front facing camera video in

511
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: an empty, poorly decorated, poorly lit house. I love that.

512
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I think maybe it is time to get to our topic. Um, Sarah,

513
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you you know I'd say we did not send you

514
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: the proper email before this episode. You sort of didn't

515
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: really know what to what was needed of you, and

516
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: yet we asked you what topic you wanted to talk about,

517
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and you, without waiting even a second, brought us a topic.

518
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Would you like to say? What it is? What did

519
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I say? In the point one millisecond upon being asked,

520
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: you didn't even finish your question. He said, what do

521
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: you want to talk about? I said, Jack asked black

522
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: ass culture? Well, first, if I remember correctly, you had

523
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: almost I would say an ego death moment where you

524
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: could not stop talking about how, in fact, you are

525
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: so knowledgeable about straight culture that this will be a

526
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: challenging podcast appearance for you because you have so much

527
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: to say that it's oozing out of every pore. One

528
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: of my biggest humiliations is that I am so unbelievably

529
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: a verse in the straight culture. Ask me anything you

530
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: need to know if you have any questions going forward,

531
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: I could probably provide an answer. I mean, well, let's

532
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: start with Jackass culture. Explain like your history with it

533
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: and what reads us straight about it to you? So,

534
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: growing up as a precocious Jewish goblin on Long Island

535
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: and would see Jackass on the television, say this is

536
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: not a space for me. Okay, this is not a

537
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: space for me. It is these boys like this. This

538
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: is my child's mind. Boys like this don't like me.

539
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: This is not a welcome space for me. By then

540
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: hit the age, do a revisit on Jackass, and what

541
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: do I see but a space that was built for

542
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: gays and girls and you're actually a space for gays

543
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and girls. You are completely correct. Absolutely. First of all,

544
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Number one, everyone knows they're all hot, you're all hilarious.

545
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: There are guys hanging out with their friends. They're all

546
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: real friends. We all see these shows, like these reality

547
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: shows where you see a group of friends doing stuff.

548
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: They're not friends. I don't like each other. They actually right,

549
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. I mean that almost I would say,

550
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: even uh perpetuates perpetuated certain harmful stereotypes because you have

551
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: male friendship portrayed in such a nice light. I mean,

552
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: they would literally die for one another, die for each other,

553
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: in Demi Levato's words, And then with women in the

554
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise, they are stabbing each other in the back,

555
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: left and right. And as you said, marrying Nazis in

556
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: order to live in a in a in a cheesecake

557
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: factory house. So what do you have to say about that?

558
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: And they're not even like I would die for you,

559
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: like I would give you a kidney, I would die

560
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: just to get one nick you laugh once. Actually, yeah,

561
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: I would go through such tremendous bodily torture to get

562
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: one half at of you. Then, I mean, they're all

563
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: fabulous in their own way. We've got a cast of

564
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: characters that all have something to offer. They all of

565
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: their pranks prey on their deepest fears. You get like

566
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Stevo famously doing um bathroom stall on a bungee cord

567
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: where he gets put in a uh port that's what

568
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: it called porta potty, a porta potty filled with dogshit

569
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: that gets shaken up and down by a bungee cord,

570
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: which and that prank is built off of his deep

571
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: fear of bungee cords themselves. So you've got like an

572
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: interesting play with like a kernel deep like death Drive

573
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: and so that's sort of interesting and then you get

574
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, when we get we hit on you know,

575
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: it can be you know, the show can be interpreted

576
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: as homophobic. We've got a lot of you know, the

577
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: character of party Boy Chris Ponnie is his character party

578
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Boy where he puts on a little song and goes

579
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: into a you know, Sam Goody and like dances all

580
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: over the park. And then we have Wild Boys, which

581
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: is um Steve Owens and Presponis in little thongs dancing

582
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: all around the Sahara. So, you know, are they being

583
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: homophobic or are they demystifying the homoertic dynamics in their relationships? Okay,

584
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: when one of them puts a toy train up their

585
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: butt hole, the demystifying the butt hole. But I think

586
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: they're demystifying. I mean, but now they are. I think

587
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I think part of why it didn't feel like the

588
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: space for us at the time was because it was

589
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: like dare I say, like too soon, Like it was

590
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: like you can't look at it with like this distance

591
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: because all the boys that are watching this are are

592
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: homophobic and like loving that side of it. I think

593
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: the critical discourse hadn't evolved, they were they were doing

594
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: what they were doing in the wrong culture because and

595
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I and that actually is probably true of a lot

596
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: of the comedy of that that time, because if there

597
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: had been uh women and queer people in positions of power,

598
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: by which I mean if they were professional television critics,

599
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: and that's the most powerful position one can occupy, then

600
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: our cultural memory of those shows would be very different.

601
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: My friend, there has been, like I think more than

602
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: most shows, Like there's been an art popification of Jackass

603
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: where people are like, actually, it was good. Actually it's

604
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: pro gay. Actually it's like commenting on masculinity instead of

605
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: embracing it. Yeah, And and can I actually tell you why?

606
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: And it's very simple why Jackass is pro gay, but

607
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: someone using those exact tactics to like bully you in

608
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: school is not. And that issue, ladies and gentlemen, is

609
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: the issue of consent because everyone, everyone in that show

610
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: is part of a community. They have agreed to the rules,

611
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: and they are in fact using a form of group

612
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: therapy to process their trauma. They have their version of

613
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: safe words, they have their version of like kind of

614
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: group play, so to speak. It is within a safe space.

615
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: And and yes, someone can watch that, maybe a kind

616
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: of you know, an insecure, straight twelve year old can

617
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: watch that and then go and and potentially pants me

618
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and and and and and and

619
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of be like, look at this guy's ass. But

620
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: that is missing the point and the spirit of the original,

621
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: of the original work of art. And that is why

622
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: it always comes back to friendship. It's this consenting community

623
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: that has the common understanding of play and laughter. Yeah,

624
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: and now, and I guess this raises the point though,

625
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: if if I mean, how much can art be held

626
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: accountable for what people see in it and what kind

627
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: of behavior it inadvertedly allows? And that actually goes back

628
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: to the Housewives too, and the drag race to like,

629
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: is it the housewives fault that we are raising a

630
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: generation of gay men who are dumber than a brick?

631
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: It's giving brick? Is it the Housewives's fault that for

632
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: many gay men it's giving brick? That's a tough one.

633
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: I think partially they it's hard to tell. At the

634
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: beginning of every Jackass, they go, don't try this at home?

635
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: They do? They do? And can I actually say something

636
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: talk about one of the first shows to literally use

637
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: a trigger warning. Speak on that one of the first

638
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: shows talk about a sign of like not just kind

639
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: of like progressivism, but like to a conservatives, I an

640
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: almost toxic campus culture progressivism. That that boogeyman, the famous

641
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: right wing boogeyman, the trigger warning. Well guess what. Guess

642
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: who the first people to use trigger warnings were. That's right,

643
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: it was Stevo and Johnny Knoxville. Baby wow, this is

644
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: an instant conversation. Literally, this, this community that you've so

645
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: eloquently pullets, is a safe space, trigger warnings, safe space, consent?

646
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: What other buzzwords we get trigger warnings, consent, kink positive,

647
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: kink positive, safe space, sex positive, the cropfish in his

648
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: diaper for the stunt crawfish diaper that is cock and

649
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: ball torture, that is exploration of King X and also

650
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: an artistic openness. Wow wow wow. In fact, say, as

651
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: the former I'll say it, house manager of my college's

652
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: lgbt Q center, I see very few differences, very few

653
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: differences between the culture of that organization and the culture

654
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: of the show jackass. Wow, I'm shocked. What I care

655
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: about most with artistic contect integrity is something we're missing

656
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: in our culture today, which is commitment to the bitment.

657
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: How many people at your college group we're willing to

658
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: do it, play it all on the line for the cause. Yeah,

659
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: and I think in fact, you know what you're actually

660
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: pointing to that the one hole in my argument is

661
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: those two aren't the same. In fact, jackasses more politically

662
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: progressive the LGBTQ Center that I was ahead of. I'm

663
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: also like the commitment is a real like thing. They

664
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: really do go for it, and like they are hurting

665
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: themselves in a way that is like so many people

666
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: are like half asking everything they do, especially in the

667
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, sort of being like, well, how can I

668
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: just like clock in maybe and get like my royalties

669
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: and be like the most inoffensive that I possibly can

670
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: be for a half hour on NBC. And these guys

671
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: are coming in here, I mean, CBS, TBSS that and

672
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: speak on it. This guy is a rolling up on

673
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: MTV late at night and putting letting a mouse bite

674
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: their dick off, and why not. I do have one

675
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: more point, actually, which is that, as we've mentioned, as

676
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: we've kind of alluded to this a few times, there's

677
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: a lot of danger, specifically targeting the male genitalia. So,

678
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: in fact, you could say, not only aside from everything

679
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: you've already said, it's also literally kind of a mis indrist.

680
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: The aesthetics of it are almost as though it was

681
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: created by a group of radical feminists to have this

682
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: group of men torturing one another. I mean, we're talking

683
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: some manifesto level shit. It is the fantasy of watching

684
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: the hyper mask body being destroyed and with pleasure. It's like,

685
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: and it's and destroyed and not just destroyed, humiliated, humiliated, mocked.

686
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: It's literally it's like saying look and and and in fact,

687
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: the fact that they're hot, as you said, is like

688
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: part of that too, because you you're saying, look, these

689
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: are like white men kind of that have the body

690
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: that we are conditioned to think is ideal. Now we're

691
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: going to literally have an alligator bite their nipples off.

692
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: And I'm going to speak on this further. We are

693
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: getting and I could get in trouble with this jackass.

694
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: We are getting the head or normative American male form

695
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: of attractiveness, which is the ripped male. We've got the

696
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Johnnies and the sea boats. We have also got a

697
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: spectrum of all bodies everybody. We've got Preston, he's a

698
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: big guy, Okay, and we and they use this for

699
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: we they use this body play for a comedy. We

700
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: get him cannonballing off the side of the ship. Okay,

701
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: we got we man. I know they're different kind of body.

702
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Everybody's it's it's the humiliation is inclusive, and we're playing

703
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: with it. We're playing with the body order. Yeah yeah,

704
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: well right, Actually it's like, uh, if it was only

705
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: one kind of body, then then almost the commentary would

706
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: be too obvious. It would be then you're you're you're like, okay,

707
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: what is this season? Sorries Master of None? You know,

708
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: you kind of it's you know, it's too on the nose.

709
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: But then you add the added layer everything you're talking about,

710
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and I mean, at that point, you know, this is

711
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: this is you know, we can only study in a

712
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: film department. And here's the thing. This is blowing it

713
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: open a little. But we can't deny that Jackass culture

714
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: is the direct descendent of scape culture, of course, which

715
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: is an incredibly straight field. And I think that we

716
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: should you do commend jackass were queering scate culture. Yeah,

717
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: here's a question, like, have we gone too far in

718
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: the other direction in this critique. Yes, it's because I'm

719
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: about to tell you a story that's gonna blow your mind. Okay, okay,

720
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: please did I wait in line two hours at a

721
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: Jackass meat and greet and ask Chris plenty Is to

722
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: punch me in the boob? And he didn't want to

723
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? Wow? So do I for do I

724
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: forgive him and hope he doesn't really remember that that

725
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: was me? Yeah? Just because Yeah, Well, that's the whole

726
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: system breaks down, you know, is like is basically like

727
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: this world cannot include non straight men, but the new

728
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: movie does, and I'm curious to see how that plays out.

729
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: But wait, him not punching in the boob, I feel like,

730
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: isn't misogyny inherently? I think it is. I think it's

731
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: what you were lacking, What you were forgetting, is that

732
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: you weren't in the circle of consent and he, even

733
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: though you were consenting to him, he was not necessarily

734
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: consenting to you. And that you know, you can't you

735
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: can't push it. They built this little circle of trust.

736
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: It's a circle of trust. You can't. You don't. You

737
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: don't get cast into it by a casting director. It's

738
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: a circle of trust built on mutual organic respect and

739
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: front to I guess I traded that violently. I violently entered. Yeah,

740
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: what would it would be the equivalent of someone entering

741
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ Center and immediately demanding of me have anal

742
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: sex with me. I know you like to do this,

743
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: so do it with me. If anything, it's almost offensive

744
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: what you did. I mean, it's like it's kind of

745
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: like using their own traditions against them. I mean it's

746
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like going to you know, let's say,

747
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: a wedding of a tradition that is not your own,

748
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: and kind of like taking the traditional food and making

749
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: a joke of it and putting it up your nose. Well,

750
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: and so, how would you feel if you know, someone

751
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: came to a Sarah Score meet and greet and was like, well,

752
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: dump these like brains I brought all over me. How

753
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: would that feel? It would feel? I would feel like

754
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: if a violence had been done or Yeah, and the

755
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Chris Fannie, it's I apologize for pissing on the sacred church. Well, Jack,

756
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: you would not piss on the sacre church. And yet

757
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: I did, and yet you did. I Okay, we are

758
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: being so pro jackass. I feel normally we have sort

759
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: of a more nuanced take away with our topics where

760
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, well, we hate it, but we

761
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: do kind of like it, And this one we went

762
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: all the way. I think I can find a nuance here,

763
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: and I'm genuinely searching, and I'm like, do I talk

764
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: about like how general prank culture is bad but we

765
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: already kind of did that. That's like the legacy of it.

766
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: It's the it's the legacy of it because and again,

767
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: whether it's their intention or their fault or not, it

768
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: did inspire some of the worst behavior among teenage boys

769
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: and later adult men that I think are gorgeous country

770
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: has ever seen. So do you have a point? I

771
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: want to I want to extrapolate on prink culture. Okay,

772
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: I think that some people, and I'm taking prink culture

773
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: out of the context directly of Jackass. Sometimes people in

774
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: our lives go too far with pranks that aren't skateboarding

775
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: off the Empire Sity building, that aren't putting a fish

776
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: hook through your mouth and jumping into the shark in

777
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: vessel waters just general. I'm talking in the realm of

778
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: cat fishing. Yeah, is cat fishing a prank. I mean

779
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of the ultimate prank. I guess that's true.

780
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I there is something about this being born out of

781
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: skate culture as opposed to being born out of comedy culture,

782
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: where they were like brought they found comedy, but it

783
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: wasn't like they weren't thinking super hard about the comedy.

784
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: I actually think it would be worse if it was

785
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: born out of comedy culture. I just want to go

786
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: on the record like, well, that's what I'm saying. I

787
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: fully agree. Yeah, anything good come out of comedy culture, really,

788
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I guess, like Joan Rivers by

789
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: the way, best answer I could think of the end

790
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: of the list name, I'm like, wait, something good must

791
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: have Yeah, I can't think of anything, because the thing

792
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: with comedy Georgia Stanza, the Herb. Yeah, it's hard to tell, Okay,

793
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: which one is the hottest go I was gonna say

794
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: Chris Monnies Wait hold on, I'm literally like trying to remember,

795
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh no, the hottest to me is Johnny Knoxville. Yeah.

796
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: I almost think that's basic that that's my answer, but

797
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: that it is because he's so hot that he blows

798
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: convention out of the water, so there's no Yeah, And

799
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: I also like, like, I like how Johnny Knock. I

800
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: feel like it was a trend for like ten years

801
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: when he would do a photo shoot, he would be

802
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: like a really like crazy face that's almost like makes

803
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: him look like a like sick in the head or

804
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: like wasn't there there's probably some moosery plays like a

805
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: villain or something like. He there's something about him. He

806
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: has like an evil face, kind of evil elf face,

807
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: evil elf face like Miley Cyrus and her Dead Pets face,

808
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: like a hundred of God. I mean, Miley Cyrus's Dead

809
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: Pets are in many ways was born out of jackass

810
00:52:51,160 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: culture greatest work. Yeah, yes, yeah, literally something about like

811
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I've read an article and I'm pulling

812
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: from that with this comment. But it like is also

813
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: a takedown of like suburban culture in a way, like yeah,

814
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: when did banmarj Era due to his family home he

815
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: destroyed it? Well, that kind of goes along with skate culture.

816
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I am so uneducated about the history of

817
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: skate culture, but in my mind it is like I hope, no,

818
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: I hope this is not wrong historically, but it's skate

819
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: culture to me, is like a way to do something

820
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: alternative within a suburban context. Right. I think maybe it

821
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: didn't start that way, but that's definitely what it has been.

822
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: That's at least like in the popular imagination in like

823
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: the nineties and two thousand's. That's what I would think

824
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: when I think of straight culture. It's like the one

825
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: alternative thing one could do when living in suburbia. Well,

826
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: because you have the violent architecture of suburbia, okay, the

827
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: physical three dimensional bounds that you're in with the escape,

828
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: what do you do to play in the violent architecture

829
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: of that? In the hostile architecture of suburbia, you grind

830
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: and and similarly, and I'm about to say something so

831
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: intelligent that this zoom might literally end. Similarly, what do

832
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: you do to escape the violent architecture of masculinity? Oh? Wow?

833
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: You literally self combust by destroying your masculine body. Yep.

834
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: The only way out is through. I mean, when Johnny

835
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Knoxville puts on his evil kinnevil, respectful referential, he knows

836
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: his place in history, he knows he's intertextually referring to

837
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: cultural moment. When he puts his evil canavel on and

838
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: he shoots him out of a rocket. He is jettisoning

839
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: himself out of his masculine through balance. Is the balance

840
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: to violently expel himself And you, I mean, can a

841
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: podcast be a book? That's what I want to know.

842
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: It's also like it is there's a there's a desire

843
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: to escape, Like basically it's like it's a desire to

844
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: escape the physical body. It's almost like the end goal

845
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: is like for them to do something so extreme that

846
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: their skeleton leaves the skin. And it's a desire to

847
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: leave the corporeal form. I mean, And this is where

848
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: my straight walls come up speaking, because where my street

849
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: walls the pain and pleasure the play I personally I

850
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: can't maybe I can't get off on suspending myself from

851
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: the ceiling on my nipple rings. That's not for me.

852
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: But is there something in there, this queering of the

853
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: pain and pleasure? Like right, like what is each each

854
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: one of us has our version of doing jackass. LL

855
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: let me derive pleasure from watching Jackass, and so what

856
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: is what is that? It's it's almost like maybe but

857
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: then maybe it goes full circle and it's like in

858
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: the same way that they're you know, there's talk of

859
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: like penis envy. There's almost it's like an envy of

860
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: being liberated enough to destroy your own body. We wish

861
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: we could be the kind of people that could participate

862
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: in that ritual, but I know my limits. I mean,

863
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: I feel pain and I hurt. And the part that

864
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: of my story that I'm leaving out about my Crisp

865
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: Bonnis encounter, you thank you. I was going to bring

866
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: it back to that was did I have my friend

867
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: practice punching me in the bood before I posed it

868
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: the crisp Bonny? Was I able to handle it? No?

869
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: Did it cause a ruptor of a blood vessel inside

870
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: of one of my breasts that I was bleeding out

871
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: of a nipple for days days, a congealed dark brown

872
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: liquid coming out of it? Could? Was I a Jewish neurotic,

873
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: anxious jew from Long Island, not a skater, but an

874
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: anxious bookworm? Was not able to handle that body horror?

875
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what is that feminine? You know, not to

876
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: use speak so binarily, of course, but as someone who

877
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: is a woman with breasts, the shattering of my breast

878
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: when the fist punched fit, I did a blood vessel

879
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: bursting that caused a nipple leakage. And when I look

880
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: at it by my female, is I ne birth body

881
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: in that moment? Well? But I mean I don't. I

882
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, because I think that they are also.

883
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just trying a body just like they are.

884
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're basically showing that you can be one

885
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: of the guys. I think maybe you underestimated the cost

886
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: of the pain that they do experience, right, I mean,

887
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: their nipples bleed constantly, They're always bleeding, they're always cut,

888
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: they're always broken in some way, and a lot of

889
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: them had issues and continue to I think probably because

890
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: they're constantly doing things that cause them pain. What can

891
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: I say? Something problematically? Was I in that moment, for

892
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, a pussy. I guess what

893
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm failing to understand is where is this? Where do

894
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: you see cowardice? Because what I see as someone who

895
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: who literally like pushed herself to her limits and then

896
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: even when you saw that it was painful, still asked

897
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Chris Panias too once again, do the thing you knew

898
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: would cause you pain. So I don't see any and

899
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: no nowhere did you give up when the nipple leaked,

900
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: I went into a pinky spiral. Ok. What that has

901
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: prevented me from ever pursuing Frank? Yeah? Ever, and this

902
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: it six years later, we're talking. I've had years away

903
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: from this to get a bird's eye view. And what

904
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: I've learned, I never want to feel pain. I don't well,

905
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: and that's your right. And I think you know, I

906
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: don't think you're a pussy as you say. I think

907
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: maybe you're just learning your boundaries and maybe even you

908
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: need to work your way up to that level of prank.

909
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you went sort of expert level when you needed

910
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: to just get like a pinch on the nipple or something.

911
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: You shouldn't go full punch right off the bat. This

912
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: is a difficult question to say the least. It is

913
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: because we we a full circle now, because we came

914
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: into the conversation is jackass for boys? Uh huh? Well,

915
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: my nipple leaks? Right, I leave the circle, say, and

916
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: maybe it isn't. Maybe it isn't the culture for me?

917
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah who exists within? Right? Sure? But do you think

918
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: that has to But but it's it's up the way

919
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: you interpret that. You can interpret that as being about

920
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: your gender or you can interpret that as just being

921
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: about you not being part of that, about that not

922
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: being for you. I mean, you could just as easily

923
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: have been a guy who tried to do something extreme

924
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: then I thought that it went too far and then

925
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: could not handle the pain. I flattened my personal experience

926
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: with my right. I mean it's I did that. You know.

927
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: George was the head of his l g pt Q center,

928
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: so he's things like this. I've had these kinds of conversations.

929
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know the signs. I know when someone

930
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: is flattening their identity because of a you know, prank

931
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: based injury. You can see the schism. Okay, you can

932
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: see how the codified organ to me, the breast right

933
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: at the time of the bleeding, the very codified symbol

934
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: oh my femininity, and I felt betrayed by that. Do

935
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: you see what I mean? Yes? Yes, Well you did

936
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: symbolically choose kind of a symbol of cis gender, women, womanhood,

937
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: the symbol one could say exactly, which I think is

938
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: in keeping with the spirit of jackass trying to make

939
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: a wow. Okay, well you know what, boys, can I

940
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: call you that you know what this is? Actually? Maybe

941
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: think what maybe isn't just the year for music. I'm

942
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: not following. What else is going to happen this year? Yes, more,

943
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe this podcast is really gonna pull podcasting that into

944
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: the eternal realm. Well, just like in Jackass, they kind

945
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: of have to destroy themselves in order to liberate themselves.

946
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: They have to hurt themselves in order to feel empowered.

947
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: We had to declare the end of podcasting on this

948
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: episode to save the form. And if you are listening

949
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: to this in the year you're, well, yeah, you're welcome.

950
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: This podcast is the phoenix that rises out of time

951
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: Best Podcast Year. Jennison ng as the phoenix rising from

952
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: the ashes towards Best Podcast Time, calling it now I

953
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: love it, and you know, to be completely honest, we

954
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: have always been post podcast. We started as the first

955
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: post podcast podcast, and so I do feel it is

956
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: our role to show people what a podcast can look

957
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: like in a post podcast society. Much like Jackass, we

958
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: were ahead of our time in the sense that the

959
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: critical establishment was not ready for what we were doing,

960
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: which was kind of podcasting that was born out of

961
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: the hatred of the art of podcasting, and so people

962
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: kept saying things like you're the top podcast of the year,

963
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: where in fact, we were trying to say, like no,

964
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: we're actually kind of trying to great an entire new

965
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: reality where the binary of podcaster and non podcaster no

966
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: longer exists. You know what I'm doing, It's keeping the

967
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: imagination open. Yeah, one Sam said so eloquently, can a

968
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: podcast be a book? You're opening new ground when you

969
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: say stuff like that. Well, yeah, it's post form. I

970
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: mean the idea of a podcast, as like an audio

971
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: file that gets uploaded to the cloud is not just

972
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: limited and it's oppressive, and not just to us the

973
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: people that exist within that audio file, but to anyone

974
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: who listens, and even anyone who doesn't listen. I mean,

975
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: everyone is implicated in the same way the Jackass influenced,

976
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: like how a generation of men thought about their bodies.

977
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and here's the podcast pot it inhibited small

978
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 1: oppressive face. Well not just that literally, it's it comes

979
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: from the word iPod corporate literally like corporate. O my god,

980
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: it's like limiting its limited thing, and it's literally like neoliberal.

981
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: What about chet you cast exactly words? Infinitely, you have

982
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: to podcast presents a red pill blue pill situation? Pod

983
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: or do you cast this is definitely a pod. This

984
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: is more pod than Cast. This is more pod than cast.

985
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: Limiting Yeah, I think no, no, no, like, um, it's

986
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: creating a new like pod to exist within. I feel

987
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: in my mind POD is the limiting one and cast

988
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: is the is the right Sarah. But but Sam is

989
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: saying it's giving community, thank you, thank you giving community,

990
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: and CAST is giving turkey girl. Okay, I'm like, this

991
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: is in we actually I think need to wrap up.

992
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: We have cotton to such a place that I'm like, afraid, Sam,

993
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: don't be afraid. What happens when a pioneer so germs

994
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: on new territories? Sam, When you are the most afraid,

995
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: that's when you have to keep going. This is like

996
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: literally like Stevo before he jumped off the bridge while

997
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: his balls were tethered to a crocodile. I'm just like

998
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: the language you have both like pointed out how empty

999
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: all language is, and it is like making me like,

1000
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: but it's also powerful and how we can continue to

1001
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: like zoom out exactly no way that I'm like, how

1002
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: can we keep going? I can't believe this has gone

1003
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: this time. In the original point of the podcast, right

1004
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: when you guys were speaking. Yeah, It's like, is language

1005
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: empty or is it so meaningful that you can use

1006
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: it to do to, to do so to an infinite

1007
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: number of things? Empty because you are Daddy's girls eating

1008
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: vegetables by the pool, right right? Or is that eight

1009
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: dimensional dimensional edifice of language that we we only it's

1010
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: the it's the iceberg. We only see the tip of

1011
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: what that could be. We are far Sagan's flat land

1012
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: turn down a flat dimension, but there are dimensions unknown

1013
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: to us. In that phrase when you see when you

1014
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: see someone posting, my dad, let me sit by the

1015
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: pool because I ate my vegetables. That's the tip of

1016
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: the iceberg. And do you want to know what the

1017
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: rest of the iceberg is? Literally the history of language?

1018
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: My fucking god, this is insane. What is this? This

1019
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: is music? This is the music language. Podcast cannot only

1020
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: be books, they can be music of language. Well, I

1021
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: just want to congratulate both of you. Um. I think

1022
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: this has been so groundbreaking in a way that I

1023
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: think people will be um sort of like upset for

1024
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: like a day. Like I think they'll see the world

1025
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: like two differently. It will be like they'll see the

1026
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: world two different They'll be like now, I have to

1027
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: quit my job. Like now I need to like sort

1028
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 1: of reset my life because I'm seeing through the matrix.

1029
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: If you will, certainly, I think it will affect the

1030
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: stock market. Dal Jones found yet and of ditch, I

1031
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: think al Jones did not understand the assignment. Dal Jones

1032
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: has never understood the assignment. No, absolutely not. Now Jones

1033
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: stays giving turkey girl person, next question, next question. Okay,

1034
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,879
Speaker 1: so I'm not even kidding. I'm like profusely tide. I'm crying.

1035
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, intellectual work is like physically rigorous. It's also

1036
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: muscles like not to be like it's like a Monday night.

1037
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I was sort of like, you know, what are we

1038
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: going to be bringing to this podcast? Like it could

1039
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: be is you know, each one has a different mood,

1040
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: and you never know when you're going to what just happened?

1041
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: Sarah's looking chalk, but you never know when you're gonna accidentally,

1042
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: um make a discovery. But Sarah, what happened? The doorbell ring?

1043
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: The sushi is here. Okay, we have to trap up.

1044
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: We have trapped up because the sushi is here. And

1045
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, that's commentary more than anything we've said. The

1046
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: fact that this podcast ended with sushi arriving. Almost It's

1047
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: actually I think it like doesn't reflect well on us

1048
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: because it's like we're here thinking, we're in the trenches

1049
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: of intellectual work and we're just waiting for our sushi. Wow,

1050
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: that is so dark. Whom the bell tolls? The bell

1051
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: is tolling for Turkey Girl to get her sushi. Turkey

1052
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Speaker 1: Girl are playing emoji going sushi Girl. Um, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: we have George. Our final segment is called Shoutouts. Now

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Speaker 1: this we're we're going back to basics here. We're talking

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Speaker 1: the epitome of straight culture, the radio shoutout. We like

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Speaker 1: to end every episode with each of us giving a

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Speaker 1: shout out to something that is giving us life a

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Speaker 1: f this week that hurt. Yeah, Um, Sam, do you

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Speaker 1: have anything? I think I do have one that I

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Speaker 1: hope I haven't done in the past, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I would have. But this, Um, well, what's

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Speaker 1: up perverts, freaks and losers out there in America and

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Speaker 1: everywhere else? You're normal? I assume I want to give

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Speaker 1: a shout to the one and only um. Brooklyn based

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Speaker 1: comedian Dan Lakata. Our conversation around Jackass made me feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, if there's a scholar of the form, it

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Speaker 1: is also Dan Locatta and I one time he has

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Speaker 1: a story about how he jumped off his roof because

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Speaker 1: he liked Jackass a lot with and he was holding

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Speaker 1: an umbrella and he broke both of his legs. This

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Speaker 1: guy loves Jackass. And you know, when I meet a

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Speaker 1: jackass middle schooler like lover as an adult, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of nice to see that they've grown to be such

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Speaker 1: a sensitive and cool person. And Jackass is beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: Dan Locatta is beautiful, and squirm Nation is beautiful. And

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Speaker 1: that's my shout out all right, um, what's up idiots

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Speaker 1: out there? And also people who are an idiots and

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Speaker 1: are smart. This is your boy, George and my shoutout

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Speaker 1: this week because I want to give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to that's right, starting your New Year's resolutions on February one.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. You wake up on January one,

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Speaker 1: you're hungover from the night before. If you're me, you

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Speaker 1: just recovered from COVID. You are trying to literally just

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Speaker 1: live your life life and honestly survived from one hour

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Speaker 1: to the next. And yet what are you doing February first.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly you're refreshed. It is a more manageable month because

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Speaker 1: there are fewer days. Why not start your resolutions there?

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Speaker 1: Why not take January as a period of self reflection

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Speaker 1: of the year that just passed, rather than being so

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Speaker 1: obsessed with productivity that you start your resolutions right after

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Speaker 1: the new year, and then with a sense of zen,

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Speaker 1: with a sense of um, you know, you know, looking

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Speaker 1: towards the bright future, start your resolutions on February one.

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Speaker 1: So my shout out to you is, take a moment

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Speaker 1: to smell the roses and start your resolutions on February one.

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Speaker 1: Who I'm like, George, you were incredible at like getting

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Speaker 1: extensions on your assignments, weren't you? I was pretty good

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Speaker 1: at it. Okay, Sarah, whenever you are ready. What the

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Speaker 1: suckers and fuckheads and what the funck knicks? This is

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Speaker 1: my shout out for tonight, my amazing straight boyfriend who

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Speaker 1: was being supportive with me while I was screaming on

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Speaker 1: a podcast in the apartment tonight. And you know, listeners

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Speaker 1: should know that Sarah even you know, displaced him and

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Speaker 1: had to sort of close a door sort of say

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Speaker 1: I I'm taking this space for my colonized the space. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that was an act of radical violence, radical violence,

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Speaker 1: radical feminist violence. That was an act of radical feminist violence.

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Speaker 1: Straight straight power fist again. Okay, well, Sarah, this has

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Speaker 1: been absolutely incredible. Thank you so much for doing our podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for having me. I've never

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Speaker 1: felt so enlightened. I don't think any of us have,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think our listeners have either. To perfect

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Speaker 1: they're gonna need to. No, they have no idea. And

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Speaker 1: imagine if I had kept with the beginning bit of

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Speaker 1: trying to predict what our conference was going to be, Like,

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Speaker 1: what a mistake that way? Oh I know? Yeah? Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: the bank said bye. Shout out to boyfriends everywhere.