Speaker 1: Welcome to the No Sports Report, a production of I
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Speaker 1: in with quick context for today's interview with the legendary
Speaker 1: Bob Costas. We recorded it on Thursday May, which obviously
Speaker 1: is before the civil unrest that our nation saw this
Speaker 1: past weekend. And I only bring that up because if
Speaker 1: I had Bob Costas on the show for twenty minutes
Speaker 1: after what happened this past weekend, that's all we would
Speaker 1: have spoke about the entire episode. Uh. Instead, we touch
Speaker 1: on it a little bit. You see, Bob is a
Speaker 1: hero of mine professionally because he, throughout his career has
Speaker 1: seen these injustices in the world in our country and
Speaker 1: been unable to just ignore them. He has to talk
Speaker 1: about them, even if it affects him professionally, and it has,
Speaker 1: and that's a big deal, and we talk about it
Speaker 1: a bit. We also bring up Minnesota a little and
Speaker 1: what he thinks the responsibility is of a broadcaster or
Speaker 1: uh sports analyst and and all that stuff is incredible
Speaker 1: and and listening to it now resonates even more. But
Speaker 1: I wanted you to know where we were when we
Speaker 1: recorded it, and we hope to get Bob back on
Speaker 1: to go more in depth about the revolution that we
Speaker 1: see in our country right now that I think is
Speaker 1: a long time coming. But I hope everyone who listens
Speaker 1: is safe, sound, and strong. And now my interview with
Speaker 1: Bob Costas. My name is Jensen carp and I'm a
Speaker 1: sports fan and I'm ready for teams to come back
Speaker 1: as long as everyone's guaranteed safety and I can handle
Speaker 1: total silence during games. It's gonna be crazy to have
Speaker 1: no fans cheering during time outs enough to hear like
Speaker 1: Matt Shoemaker cough in between pitches or make out the
Speaker 1: click of Terry Stott's pen. Imagine Century Link as quiet
Speaker 1: as a library. Melvin Gordon's right, though, he'll have it
Speaker 1: way easier with no fans because he's already played for
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Well, luckily you're here listening to me talk
Speaker 1: to athletes and sports industry professionals about what they're doing
Speaker 1: in quarantine, hoping to figure out if famous competing as
Speaker 1: much as I miss watching it. This is the no
Speaker 1: Sports Report. It would be near impossible to find an
Speaker 1: important sports clip from the past four decades that isn't
Speaker 1: narrated by the unmistakable voice of broadcasting legend. Bob Costas,
Speaker 1: the twenty three time Emmy Award winner, has put words
Speaker 1: to timeless moments like Jordan's Game six final shot, Derek
Speaker 1: Jeter's last game walk off base hit, where the infamous O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpsons split screen high speed Chase. He frontline the Olympics
Speaker 1: as host for almost twenty five years and has covered
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, the Stanley Cup Finals, the NBA Finals, the
Speaker 1: US Open, all three legs of the Triple Crown, NASCAR
Speaker 1: final races, and Championship boxing matches, and he still found
Speaker 1: time to appear in theatrical masterpiece Basketball. He had his
Speaker 1: own talk show on both NBC and HBO, interviewing guests
Speaker 1: like Paul McCartney, Martin Scorsese, Jerry Lewis, and David Letterman.
Speaker 1: He's now currently working at MLB TV, focusing solely on
Speaker 1: his true passion of baseball, after a somewhat mysterious departure
Speaker 1: from NBC, a network he worked at for almost forty years,
Speaker 1: but had recently come under fire for on air comments
Speaker 1: that were labeled as political and critical of sports leagues.
Speaker 1: There isn't much Bob Costas hasn't done. Except survive a pandemic.
Speaker 1: We talk about what he's up to, the importance of
Speaker 1: sports for normalcy, and why it's just impossible for him
Speaker 1: to keep quiet when he knows there's an elephant in
Speaker 1: the room. For this episode, I'm honored to talk to
Speaker 1: an idol of mine, sportscaster Bob Costas on the No
Speaker 1: Sports Report. How from Bob Costas to accept Press one. Hello,
Speaker 1: Mr Costas, Hello, how are you gentsen? I'm well, Thank
Speaker 1: you for doing this. I'm so excited to have you on.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. Well, I want to start off by
Speaker 1: asking you where you're quarantined at and with who and
Speaker 1: how have you been doing? Well? We're doing fine. My
Speaker 1: wife and I are in southern California, in Orange County,
Speaker 1: where we have a home. Most of the year we're
Speaker 1: in New York, but we happen to be here when
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen reached critical mass, so it was best to
Speaker 1: just stay here. So we're safe. We're healthy, so too
Speaker 1: is my entire family. Miss seeing family and friends in person.
Speaker 1: But we're doing fine. Going on two and a half months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like much longer. For some reason. For the
Speaker 1: past four decades, you've had an assignment basically every day
Speaker 1: of your life. I can't see much more than a
Speaker 1: week or two that maybe was a vacation. What does
Speaker 1: it feel like to have the entire sports world for
Speaker 1: you come to a halt. Well, not as odd as
Speaker 1: people might assume. I'd already elected to take her off
Speaker 1: and leave some of the assignments that I've had for
Speaker 1: a very long time. So actually, at this time of
Speaker 1: the year, I would have been doing baseball ordinarily for MLBM,
Speaker 1: and that would mean one game a week, but that
Speaker 1: isn't happening at all now. And if they resume, I
Speaker 1: don't know whether we would do the games virtually from
Speaker 1: a studio or even from home watching on a monitor.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the circumstances would be. But luckily,
Speaker 1: one of the few upsides of this situation is that
Speaker 1: we have the modern technology. We have Skype, we have Zoom,
Speaker 1: we have FaceTime and other modalities that we can use
Speaker 1: uh to put programs on. So I've been able to
Speaker 1: be on the air on MLB, N on CNN, on MSNBC,
Speaker 1: on ESPN fairly regularly over the last month to six weeks. Well,
Speaker 1: how have you been passing the time outside of sports,
Speaker 1: not able to go into the wild or anything like that,
Speaker 1: like other than the MLB work. What have you done,
Speaker 1: you know, just like us regular Joe's Yeah, And as
Speaker 1: people would imagine, I like to go into the wild
Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, deep sea diving, bungee jumping, hunting wild
Speaker 1: boar with a crossbow. That's pretty much a costUS kind
Speaker 1: of thing to do. So I'm deprived of that pasttime. Actually,
Speaker 1: what I've done, there's always we all have books on
Speaker 1: the show that we've been meaning to read. Those books
Speaker 1: come down from the ol. We've got a stash of
Speaker 1: old movies to watch. I have capta into some of
Speaker 1: the archival stuff that the various networks are showing. So
Speaker 1: I've watched Old Masters on CBS, and Old World Series
Speaker 1: on n O b N, and old NBA Finals on
Speaker 1: NBA TV, and I'm sure all sports fans have done
Speaker 1: at least a bit of that. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: this weekend on MLB N there's a Derek Jeter Parathon
Speaker 1: which I host, showing the entire broadcast of thirteen different
Speaker 1: milestone Derek Jeter games, The Flip Play, the Mr November Homer,
Speaker 1: his three thousand face hit, a game in which he
Speaker 1: went five for five, his walk off hit and his
Speaker 1: last at bad at Yankee Stadium, the play where the
Speaker 1: kid reaches over in right field and he gets a
Speaker 1: home run out of it. Out of those thirteen games,
Speaker 1: I happen to have called four of them, so I'm
Speaker 1: connected to those more than the other nine. But in
Speaker 1: each case I introduced them and then have something to
Speaker 1: say about the game on the back end. But we
Speaker 1: will show the entire broadcast as it happened on whatever
Speaker 1: network showed it. Yeah. I mean that that is the
Speaker 1: thing that people have sort of connected with, and we
Speaker 1: saw it with the Last Dances, that people are feending
Speaker 1: for sports and they will watch the watch replays. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Last Dance I think would have been
Speaker 1: a big hit no matter what, even had it run
Speaker 1: as scheduled during the NBA Finals in June, which they expected,
Speaker 1: of course would be the case. I think it would
Speaker 1: have had an impact no matter what. But now, especially
Speaker 1: so because it's original programming, and it was compelling original programming,
Speaker 1: so people um really gravitated toward it. Well, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you because you obviously had a front row
Speaker 1: seat for you know, sports in general since the eighties,
Speaker 1: and I guess I never truly realized how much society
Speaker 1: like looks to sports for normalcy. It's almost like everyone
Speaker 1: right now is just waiting for the basketball playoffs, are,
Speaker 1: like you said, the baseball season, to look at each
Speaker 1: other and say, see, it's safe out there. Why why
Speaker 1: is it that that everyone is looking to sports to
Speaker 1: tell us that. Well, I think you said it, Gentsen.
Speaker 1: It's part of what is for many people the normal
Speaker 1: rhythm of their lives. The biggest games, the biggest events
Speaker 1: of course stand out, but just the idea, whether you're
Speaker 1: paying close attention or not. But there's a baseball game,
Speaker 1: especially baseball, because baseball plays every day. Your team plays
Speaker 1: virtually every day from spring through early fall. So the
Speaker 1: idea that the ball games on on the radio on television,
Speaker 1: you're half paying attention to it, half not. Then when
Speaker 1: the biggest games come, you're really bearing down on it
Speaker 1: um And the same thing is true. You don't have
Speaker 1: to watch every play of a football game or basketball
Speaker 1: game or hockey game, but you know it's there and
Speaker 1: the highlights on Sports Center or reading about it in
Speaker 1: the paper or on the internet. That's part of people's lives,
Speaker 1: and when that's taken away, it's just one more example
Speaker 1: of what feels normal that isn't there anymore. For the
Speaker 1: time games, I'm really honored to talk to you today
Speaker 1: because you've been an idol for me with how much
Speaker 1: in your career you've decided to speak your mind and
Speaker 1: if you feel something is wrong, to say it, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you've paid a price for it with your work.
Speaker 1: And we're hearing more and more about these athletes like
Speaker 1: Dame Lillard and Blake Snell, guys who are raising concerns
Speaker 1: about returning to sports. Do you see players having a
Speaker 1: responsibility right now to the game if if they're being
Speaker 1: asked to sort of in other words, be guinea pigs
Speaker 1: for what's been going on, Well, they have a responsibility
Speaker 1: in a broad sense in these times and other times
Speaker 1: they have a responsibility to the game, the institution, uh
Speaker 1: to promoting the game. In some sense, some players are
Speaker 1: better situated to be able to do it than others,
Speaker 1: but they all have some responsibility to the game, and
Speaker 1: they all should understand that they have an interest in
Speaker 1: the business doing well. But that doesn't mean that automatically
Speaker 1: you make yourself a guinea pig. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of vagaries here, a lot of needles to be threaded,
Speaker 1: um or is it thread a lot of needles to
Speaker 1: pa to pass? It's a fasting fabric. Yes, yeah, there
Speaker 1: there you go. And and so it's right for the
Speaker 1: players and their representatives to raise legitimate questions. If you're
Speaker 1: talking about NASCAR or golf or tennis, non team sports,
Speaker 1: it's easy to see how they could social distance and
Speaker 1: as long as they're careful and responsible, come back more
Speaker 1: readily than team sports. So it isn't just a matter
Speaker 1: of compensation or what the playoff format is going to
Speaker 1: be in the case of the NHL or the NBA,
Speaker 1: it's a matter of do we feel confident that it
Speaker 1: makes sense, because sure we have a responsibility to the game.
Speaker 1: Sure we have a responsibility to our employers, the teams,
Speaker 1: but we also got a responsibility your families and our
Speaker 1: loved ones and other people around us. So we've got
Speaker 1: to be as a group, we've got to be assured
Speaker 1: that this makes sense before we go forward. And we're
Speaker 1: talking in a week when there's major civil unrest in
Speaker 1: Minnesota regarding racial tension. I guess my question to you
Speaker 1: is why was being heard as a sports reporter so
Speaker 1: important to you? As you know, a journy to listen
Speaker 1: a broader sense. But why did you always want to
Speaker 1: be heard with what you were thinking? I thought it
Speaker 1: was a matter of a responsibility to the audience. UH.
Speaker 1: I wanted to respect their intelligence. A lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff is right out in front of them. It wasn't
Speaker 1: so much that I was doing investigative reporting. That wasn't
Speaker 1: my role, and we didn't have the resources and wherewithal
Speaker 1: to do that at NBC Sports. Neither do the other networks.
Speaker 1: ESPN does. They've got a different situation. But this isn't
Speaker 1: front Line on TBS, this isn't Nightline. But I thought
Speaker 1: that an element of journalism and commentary UH done judiciously
Speaker 1: at the right time. I thought an element of that
Speaker 1: should be part of the presentation, and that people might
Speaker 1: have expected because of the various roles I had played,
Speaker 1: mostly in sports, but sometimes outside sports, that people might
Speaker 1: have expected something different from me than they would from others.
Speaker 1: And I just could not ignore elephants in the room.
Speaker 1: You're doing an Olympics from Sochi, Russia or Beijing, China.
Speaker 1: It's impossible not to acknowledge that these are authoritarian states.
Speaker 1: It's impossible not to acknowledge when political differences and and
Speaker 1: long simmering national and ethnic resentments overlapped into the Olympics.
Speaker 1: No matter how wonderful the Olympics may be, overall or
Speaker 1: more of it should just be about the joy of
Speaker 1: the competition and the drama and the human emotion. But
Speaker 1: anyone who thinks that the Olympics have ever been free
Speaker 1: of politics might as well be living on another planet.
Speaker 1: And there have been times, not a lot, but enough
Speaker 1: to take note of. There have been times when sports
Speaker 1: was where societal issues have played out, often as regards race.
Speaker 1: So those who say stick to sports never heard of
Speaker 1: Jack Johnson. They never heard of Joe Lewis and the
Speaker 1: way he was positions so that white Amarica could feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable with it. They never heard of Jackie Robinson
Speaker 1: or Arthur Ash or Billy Jane King or Tommy Smith
Speaker 1: and John Carlos. They never heard of CTE in football,
Speaker 1: steroids and baseball. They never heard of uh states and
Speaker 1: municipalities um purposing tax dollars for stadiums and other benefits
Speaker 1: for teams, which may or may not be the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, but certainly should be discussed. I guess
Speaker 1: they never heard of any of that, and they just
Speaker 1: want to hear here's the groundball to short stuff. Well
Speaker 1: that's the case. They got the wrong guy. And me, well,
Speaker 1: I genuinely from my heart, hope there are more of
Speaker 1: you when we return back to the field after this,
Speaker 1: because I think it's it's extremely important with what we're
Speaker 1: facing right now, and thank you, and with the Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball that leads us directly into what you do
Speaker 1: now at the network, and Baseball seems to be inching
Speaker 1: closer and closer. There are major hurdles still on the
Speaker 1: players union side, as you know. Do you think no
Speaker 1: matter what happens here though, even if they come to
Speaker 1: a conclusion this is an ASTERIX season, of course it is.
Speaker 1: Even if everything was fine, even if there were no
Speaker 1: concerns everyone believed they had buttoned up in terms of
Speaker 1: the health and safety aspect, even if there were no
Speaker 1: financial issues. It has to be because you're playing at
Speaker 1: most half a season, you're playing it under odd conditions.
Speaker 1: People have hit four hundred over the course of eighty games,
Speaker 1: whether it was overlapping one season to the next, that
Speaker 1: that's happened since Ted Williams, but no one has done
Speaker 1: it for a full season, and if someone happens to
Speaker 1: do it, that's just one example. Happens to do it now,
Speaker 1: that would have an asterisk next to it, and a
Speaker 1: championship would certainly have an asterisk next to it. You
Speaker 1: have a new playoff format, and teams that get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs prior to this have always been vetted for
Speaker 1: a full season, or as in the case of when
Speaker 1: they missed some games because of the labor stoppage, or
Speaker 1: even where I think eighteen games were locked off the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season before they finally got them back
Speaker 1: on the field, those were always close to full seasons.
Speaker 1: They didn't play the full one fifty four in because
Speaker 1: of the flu pandemic, but they played enough of the
Speaker 1: season for the championship to be legitimate, and nothing's ever
Speaker 1: been close to this. So I think people will have
Speaker 1: an asterisk in their minds after it, even if the
Speaker 1: record book doesn't officially note it that way. But they'll
Speaker 1: also be understanding. If it happens because of a labor
Speaker 1: and money squabble, they won't be understanding. But if they're
Speaker 1: only able to play. However, many games that they're able
Speaker 1: to play and play them under the altered circumstances made
Speaker 1: necessary by this unique set of conditions. I think people
Speaker 1: will be happy to have sports back in some way,
Speaker 1: and they'll be understanding of the differences, and they'll put
Speaker 1: it in the category of a one off. Sure, And
Speaker 1: and the Olympics obviously decided to do something else. When
Speaker 1: it comes to the Olympics. There's no host or analyst
Speaker 1: or reporter or any of those roles you've played for
Speaker 1: the games that come to mind more than you. For Americans,
Speaker 1: it survived terrorist attacks, it survived Boycott's Do you still
Speaker 1: fear this gathering even? I mean, in the past you've
Speaker 1: sort of hinted to the idea of what a Petrie
Speaker 1: dish it is. Anyway, now you're adding on a pandemic
Speaker 1: that we might not yet have a cure for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: had they gone ahead, and I didn't think there was
Speaker 1: ever much of a chance, and they would. But had
Speaker 1: they gone ahead this summer, of all the sports that
Speaker 1: should not have returned, or all the events, the Olympics
Speaker 1: were at the top of that list, because you would
Speaker 1: have brought competitors from virtually every country on the globe
Speaker 1: into one place from Pete together to live close to
Speaker 1: one another in the Olympic village. Plus everybody on their
Speaker 1: delegations in theory, the spectators, in theory, the media, and
Speaker 1: then go back. There are one hundred plus respect two
Speaker 1: hundred plus in the case of the Summer Olympics respective
Speaker 1: countries more than ten thousand athletes. Um, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be an epidemiologist to realize that that would be
Speaker 1: a true Petrie dish for the thing exploding once again
Speaker 1: when we look one when they hope to be able
Speaker 1: to hold it. Tokyo, I'm not Dr Fauci, I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert. As he has said about this and other circumstances.
Speaker 1: We don't make the timetable, the virus timetable. So uh,
Speaker 1: if they can responsibly do it a little more than
Speaker 1: a year from now, great, but we gotta wait and
Speaker 1: see after this more with broadcast legend Bob Costas. Right now,
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Speaker 1: chat with American Treasure Bob Costas. You have been all
Speaker 1: over the place doing some you know, last dance press
Speaker 1: here and there. You obviously were the voice for Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan and many of his big games. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know what you thought of this past two weeks of
Speaker 1: some former teammates coming out and sort of starting to
Speaker 1: question the series narrative and what Jordan's kind of expressed
Speaker 1: and who he really was. I mean, you were there,
Speaker 1: what what do you think of of some of these
Speaker 1: new conflicting reports. Well, I was there for all the
Speaker 1: games and for some of the interviews surrounding the games,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't there day to day. I wasn't in Chicago,
Speaker 1: like the reporters who covered the team day to day
Speaker 1: at the practices and privy to all of that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I don't I don't think any one
Speaker 1: reporter was privy to all of it. A lot of
Speaker 1: it happened in their personal interactions. So Horace Grant can
Speaker 1: have his take, Scotty Pippen can have his take, and
Speaker 1: they're entitled to it. I thought that the the series
Speaker 1: did a very good job with the abundant material they had.
Speaker 1: Nothing is definitive nothing. Even the best of ken Burns
Speaker 1: doesn't have every voice, every perspective on whatever subject he's covered.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the Last Dance, you realize
Speaker 1: that this is an excellent piece of work. It had
Speaker 1: elements of journalism in history, but mostly it was just
Speaker 1: it was a wonderful bit of storytelling. And when something
Speaker 1: that is that widely seen, obviously the principles those involved
Speaker 1: are going to have an interest in how they're perceived,
Speaker 1: and they have every right. Even though the Carsman, for example,
Speaker 1: was interviewed for the Last Dance, but he has every
Speaker 1: right to try to further his perspective or clarify whatever
Speaker 1: he thinks has to be clarified in the aftermath, you
Speaker 1: said you've been watching some of the old broadcasts in
Speaker 1: the past during pandemic. I want to know. You've been
Speaker 1: with so many incredible voices in the booth over the years,
Speaker 1: as a partner, as a team. Now that you have revisited,
Speaker 1: do you feel like there's anyone that you jelled with
Speaker 1: the most. I was very fortunate. I jelled with almost
Speaker 1: all my partners. A Madrashad and I didn't call games together,
Speaker 1: but we worked in the studio on football. He was
Speaker 1: the guy on the sidelines and a very good sideline reporter, underrated.
Speaker 1: When I was doing the basketball games, A mod and
Speaker 1: I always jelled personally and professionally. I got Bob Eucher
Speaker 1: from the very start. I knew how to set him up.
Speaker 1: I knew how to get out of his way. Doug
Speaker 1: Collins was a wonderful basketball analyst, in my opinion, the
Speaker 1: best on the NBA ever. And Doug and I, you know,
Speaker 1: fell right in to a rhythm. And I'm happy to
Speaker 1: say it, almost everybody. I worked with Tony Kubec in
Speaker 1: the eighties on the baseball Game of the Week. All
Speaker 1: of the people I've mentioned and more remain close friends
Speaker 1: and I remain in contact with all of them, So
Speaker 1: that tells you what you what you need to know.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't put anybody at the at the top
Speaker 1: of the list because it would slight too many others.
Speaker 1: A mod and you remind me of of some great
Speaker 1: NBA games, And as we wrap up, there's no baseball
Speaker 1: historian that means more to me than you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Astros got the right punishment? What what?
Speaker 1: What would have what would have been your call? And
Speaker 1: also is this break going to help them? I think
Speaker 1: the break will help them because other things have taken
Speaker 1: center stage and everything else is put into a different
Speaker 1: perspective in terms of how much importance we give it.
Speaker 1: And they're not going to be any fans of the stand.
Speaker 1: So when the Astros, in theory play a road game,
Speaker 1: nobody is going to be booing them. They'll get around
Speaker 1: to it. They'll still boot them in and beyond. But
Speaker 1: time tends to to take some of the edge off
Speaker 1: of that. And I think that to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: Rob Manford has gotten a bad rap. Five million dollars
Speaker 1: was the maximum penalty allowed by the terms of the agreement.
Speaker 1: Five million was the maximum find that he could levy
Speaker 1: on Jim Crane, the owner, and then he hits Hinge
Speaker 1: and Luna with the suspension of the year and Crane
Speaker 1: immediately fires them. He needed to get the honest testimony
Speaker 1: me of many players in order to have the information
Speaker 1: necessary to reach his conclusion. If he had been able,
Speaker 1: he would have wanted to punish the players, but he
Speaker 1: couldn't have that fight with the players Association at this
Speaker 1: point and still get the information he needed. As I've
Speaker 1: said before, I'm pretty sure that in the upcoming cb A,
Speaker 1: just as eventually Baseball and the players agreed that they
Speaker 1: should codify testing and penalties if you use performance dancing drugs.
Speaker 1: I think that there will be specific penalties for players
Speaker 1: if they engage in this type of activity going forward.
Speaker 1: So I think that Manford, under the circumstances, did pretty
Speaker 1: close to as well as he could have. His biggest
Speaker 1: mistake actually came after the fact when he referred to
Speaker 1: the trophy, well, it's just a piece of metal, whether
Speaker 1: we're taking it away. That seemed too cavalier. He realized
Speaker 1: that afterwards and apologize. You know, I understand the anger
Speaker 1: on the part of players and a part on the
Speaker 1: part of fans, but if they were in Manford's position,
Speaker 1: he was constrained to a large extent. I think he
Speaker 1: did pretty close to as much as he could have
Speaker 1: under these circumstances. But I think the circumstances will be
Speaker 1: different going forward. Do you think there's anything in the
Speaker 1: pandemic that we've taken on as a sort of new plan,
Speaker 1: a new strategy that you hope sticks around once we're
Speaker 1: free and ready to go back out there and hunt
Speaker 1: with you. I'm I'm gonna end with this. I've always thought.
Speaker 1: I've always said, why don't we do as they do
Speaker 1: in Asian cultures? Why don't we bow towards people? Just smile?
Speaker 1: Just under normal circumstances, you're whomever while through the airport,
Speaker 1: you're recognizing the person you want to be nice. People
Speaker 1: want to shake your hand. You shake two hund hands
Speaker 1: a day. It's nothing against you, it's nothing against any
Speaker 1: individual out of us two hundred. The low beverages says
Speaker 1: you're gonna catch a cold him. So even when there's
Speaker 1: not a single COVID nineteen patient left on the planet,
Speaker 1: that's what That's something I think we can do without
Speaker 1: going forward. We can fist bump, we can elbow bump,
Speaker 1: we can smile, we cannot. I think that's a good idea. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you and your your voice even calms me during
Speaker 1: this time, so I appreciate it, and thanks for talking
Speaker 1: about take care of good talking with you too. The
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