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Speaker 1: God is what's popping? Congregation, it's your girl. Lacey Moseley
Speaker 1: aka Scam, got his back with another installment about the
Speaker 1: podcast about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we love them, sometimes we hate them, but we will
Speaker 1: always laugh at them because this is a comedy show,
Speaker 1: but never the victims. Hey, Congregation, what am I excited? Yes, thrilled.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the call and response. I am thrilled
Speaker 1: to have our guests today. He is a new member
Speaker 1: of the church. This is his first time at service,
Speaker 1: so please give him a warm welcome, even though he's
Speaker 1: probably already been welcomed into your homes and your lives
Speaker 1: for a long time. He is the hilarious Emmy winning
Speaker 1: co showrunner of Abbed Elementary. He co developed the acclaimed
Speaker 1: animated series Holly Quinn. He gained initial fame from creating
Speaker 1: the Twitter feed and best selling book Shit My Dad
Speaker 1: Says a Man, and is releasing a novel called Get Lost,
Speaker 1: a fast paced and hilarious thriller about a young woman
Speaker 1: who reluctantly teams up with her dad be dad to
Speaker 1: find her missing mom When does he sleep and he
Speaker 1: is a dad, y'all, No dads could be scams, but
Speaker 1: obviously Justin Halper is not. And congregation, please get up
Speaker 1: out of your seat, stand up in your cars at
Speaker 1: the red light, and welcome Justin Halper to the show.
Speaker 3: Hello, Justin, Hello, thank you for having me. What an intro?
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you for being here.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to talk scams.
Speaker 1: I'm really like trying to do intros as a metaphor
Speaker 1: in my own life.
Speaker 2: For my own funeral. I hope someone does my intro
Speaker 2: to my funeral like this.
Speaker 3: Wow, that would be yeah, that would really be like
Speaker 3: an amped way to start a funeral.
Speaker 4: I feel like usually people go low, but I think
Speaker 4: I think pumping up a funeral.
Speaker 2: We even want my casket to be there when people arrive.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be announced who's dead, and then they
Speaker 1: roll out the casket with music.
Speaker 3: Like the beginning of like a Lakers game, right, yes, wow.
Speaker 1: At five foot nine about to be six foot under
Speaker 1: Lacey Moses. You know, yeah, that's pretty great, like a
Speaker 1: little real of my greatest hits.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe the lights go dark first and
Speaker 4: then yeah, get to build up music, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: now I want to go to a funeral. Yeah, you're
Speaker 4: outlive me by about thirty years, but I still want
Speaker 4: to try.
Speaker 2: Oh who knows?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 1: And justin you might need to be responsible for writing
Speaker 1: my intro. Very good at writing that, just for sure.
Speaker 1: All the Emmys and Accolades and shows that I watch
Speaker 1: and love.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I found the one thing I can do
Speaker 3: that was a whole scam.
Speaker 2: Here was to get you here so you could write my.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: But I want to know about your relationship with scams.
Speaker 1: And lately on this show, I've been asking my guests
Speaker 1: their opinions, their expert opinions on three random topics, and
Speaker 1: I want to know for each topic, is it a
Speaker 1: scam to you? Is it a scheme to you? Or
Speaker 1: is it a real thing? So is it a scam,
Speaker 1: a scheme, or a real thing? The first one is
Speaker 1: tax accountants, scam, scame or real thing? And I will
Speaker 1: define that a scam is like inarguably a grift, a scheme,
Speaker 1: just a little scammy, but legitimate. And then a real thing,
Speaker 1: obviously is a real thing.
Speaker 4: I would say if you make over five million dollars
Speaker 4: a year, it's a scam.
Speaker 3: And not the rich person getting scammed. It's it's all
Speaker 3: of us, everyone else getting scammed. I know, where are
Speaker 3: you going under that? Say a real thing?
Speaker 1: Oh, it is a scam when you get richer, because
Speaker 1: then it's harder to tax you. Yes, and the IRS
Speaker 1: is criminally underfunded. And like when you get so rich
Speaker 1: that you could just send U haul trucks to the
Speaker 1: IRS and be like try to find the needle in
Speaker 1: the haystack.
Speaker 4: Yep, you send a thousand pages of documents all reporting losses.
Speaker 3: That is a total scam.
Speaker 2: I am so poor. Don't look at me on my yat.
Speaker 2: I'm poor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my poverty. Yeah, I'm so poor. I
Speaker 1: have to live on water.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always floating back and forth.
Speaker 2: I have to be in Greece. There's nowhere else I
Speaker 2: can go, Yeah, because of my poverty.
Speaker 4: Also, if you have to send your money to another
Speaker 4: country on a one stop then that means the you're
Speaker 4: a scam.
Speaker 1: Honestly a dream of mine for.
Speaker 3: Your money to live somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I'm trying to get to Switzerland. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: trying to get to the Caymans. Like I remember visiting
Speaker 1: the Cayman Islands and I think that they're probably the
Speaker 1: least friendly tourists spot in the Islands in that area,
Speaker 1: and I was always wondering why, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: because they don't need tourism net bag. Yeah, they have
Speaker 1: everyone hiding their money there. They were like, listen, little
Speaker 1: white girl, we not going rade o' here and put
Speaker 1: polka shells in it.
Speaker 2: We don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: That's right, And I love that for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have no kids clubs there, there's no Yeah,
Speaker 4: they don't give a shit, can't fuck Okay, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure kid's justin.
Speaker 3: No mind too, let's just.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay, my next question for you. Scam schemer,
Speaker 1: real thing justin credit.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a scam.
Speaker 4: That's a total scam because it just prays on people
Speaker 4: who can't afford to pay off their bill every month,
Speaker 4: and then they use all that money that they get,
Speaker 4: all this late fees and stuff, to you know, subsidize
Speaker 4: all the other bullshit they do.
Speaker 1: That's the scheme, right, And it was invented in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Anything invented in the eighties is the scams.
Speaker 1: Anything invented in the eighties, you know, somebody was on
Speaker 1: cocaine when they made it.
Speaker 3: Yes, and what about this numbers?
Speaker 1: We make numbers, Yeah, and those numbers aside who we
Speaker 1: get the houses to? Hey, everybody sounds great, that's right.
Speaker 4: In the eighties you did cocaine, you either created die
Speaker 4: hard or a scam.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: I would rather create die Hard. But maybe I would
Speaker 1: love also to make a scam.
Speaker 3: That's just true.
Speaker 2: It might be the best time for scams.
Speaker 1: I mean madeoff was doing well in the eighties, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he made off with everybody's money.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: So maybe I happen to agree with you on that
Speaker 1: for sure. The last question scam scheme real thing love?
Speaker 3: Oh, real thing? Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. It's
Speaker 3: a real thing. Doesn't mean we all get it, but
Speaker 3: it's a real thing.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can't have none, but just justin over here
Speaker 1: saying like it's real.
Speaker 2: Y'all don't know about it, but I do.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful. Why do you think so?
Speaker 4: I've been happily married and in real love for well,
Speaker 4: I should know this. If I'm happily married sixteen years wow,
Speaker 4: and I one hundred percent feel it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years, that's right, that is a long time.
Speaker 3: It is a long time. It does feel like a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 4: We were at a wedding and they do that thing
Speaker 4: where it's like, if you've been on the we've been
Speaker 4: married more than five years, get off the dance floor,
Speaker 4: you know, to see you, and they keep going up
Speaker 4: and up every year, and I was like, damn, we're
Speaker 4: one of the last ones here.
Speaker 1: I actually love that. And perhaps if I ever trick
Speaker 1: someone into getting the government involved in a relationship with me,
Speaker 1: I will do that because I invertally actually did that
Speaker 1: for my friend Taylor Mishaks. I was making cards for like,
Speaker 1: I did this whole wedding decoration and her trailer and stuff,
Speaker 1: because while we were shooting Going Dutch the first season,
Speaker 1: she had to fly home, get married, and fly back,
Speaker 1: and so her husband came with her on the way back.
Speaker 1: But we obviously you know, when you book a flight,
Speaker 1: you'll book a job, and sometimes I guess when you
Speaker 1: book a wedding you'll book a shot, right, And she
Speaker 1: was like, this venue is way too expensive, y'all go
Speaker 1: have to get move some stuff around so I could
Speaker 1: at least get home.
Speaker 2: So they gave her like an extended weekend.
Speaker 1: So I decorated her trailer and got a bunch of
Speaker 1: like bridle stuff and gifts and things. But then when
Speaker 1: I asked people to sign cards, I had three different cards.
Speaker 1: There was one for the cast, there was one for
Speaker 1: the crew, and then there was one for anybody who
Speaker 1: had been married over ten years?
Speaker 4: And how many was that? Was that like a large
Speaker 4: section or was it you're surprised to find.
Speaker 3: Aunt a ton?
Speaker 1: It was, but it was It was funny because I
Speaker 1: had to do what your friends did at their wedding,
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you've been married.
Speaker 2: For five years, get off the dance book.
Speaker 1: I'd literally hold the card up to people and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: how long have you been married?
Speaker 2: Okay, sign this one, not that one.
Speaker 1: But then for like people who had long lasting marriages,
Speaker 1: like sign this one with.
Speaker 3: So were writing a little message to message. So what
Speaker 3: group wrote the best messages?
Speaker 1: Oh? It was absolutely that people who had been over
Speaker 1: married over ten years. Joe Morton wrote the best mess
Speaker 1: Like he's just a poet and a genius and a savant.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really watch TV. He just lives life.
Speaker 3: That's shocking. I can't do that I can't either.
Speaker 1: I love TV me. He's like doing Falconry and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you sure you don't want this VPN because even though
Speaker 1: we in Ireland, we can tell everybody we in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: so you can download these shows. Yeah, my bad, I
Speaker 1: did watch a lot of abbit from New Jersey.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, right, listen any way we can get it.
Speaker 2: Okay. Still I think it's still counted as a string.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it count I think I still see something
Speaker 4: from it.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well, thank you. I love I love
Speaker 1: those opinions.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been.
Speaker 4: Scam justin I'm sure many many times. I've been part
Speaker 4: of scams. Oh yes, yes, I well you jump.
Speaker 2: From victim to participate room.
Speaker 3: But I know, I know I was sometimes one.
Speaker 4: I used to work in an internet company, this company
Speaker 4: called break dot com, which doesn't exist anymore, like a
Speaker 4: video sharing company maybe you remember now, and yeah, that's
Speaker 4: probably better.
Speaker 1: But you're sorted by calling it an internet company, which
Speaker 1: already told me it.
Speaker 2: Was a scam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right right, and break dot com yeah, And
Speaker 4: they would be like Coca Cola would like want to
Speaker 4: place their ad on the video page, and they would promise,
Speaker 4: they'd say Okay, you're going to get one hundred thousand views,
Speaker 4: and you pay us money for those hundred thousand views, guarantee.
Speaker 4: But what we would do on our side is we
Speaker 4: would go to we had to deal with this super
Speaker 4: nasty porn site. And on their site, super nasty porn.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Porn itself already sounds, but I felt.
Speaker 3: Necessary, that's right.
Speaker 4: I felt necessary to clarify that's what this porn site was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just one of your mom and popcorn sites,
Speaker 4: one of your nice, down the middle porn sites.
Speaker 3: This was nasty.
Speaker 1: Those are your suburban port no, that's right. So y'all
Speaker 1: had to deal with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so what we do is on their page,
Speaker 4: on their site, it would be like a gang bang
Speaker 4: of four chicks and two like whatever, and it'd have
Speaker 4: a thumbnail of that. But then when their users would click,
Speaker 4: it'd be like Coca Cola, the brand, blah blah blah
Speaker 4: and so, and then it would we get all these views. Right,
Speaker 4: we'd get like a because nobody's going to actually click
Speaker 4: on a Coca Cola ad, but they will if they.
Speaker 3: Think it's a gang bang.
Speaker 4: And so my job was to put that video up
Speaker 4: and then send it to the porn company.
Speaker 3: I didn't put up the Gang Bang video. I was
Speaker 3: on the A side.
Speaker 2: Of that, And well, justin you were the original bots.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, that's kind of botting.
Speaker 2: I can appreciate.
Speaker 1: Now it's just random and they're just under everything and
Speaker 1: they're saying random stuff.
Speaker 2: I would appreciate being tricked out of.
Speaker 1: You know what, what if my super nasty porn affliction.
Speaker 2: Ended because of a Coca cola?
Speaker 3: You think we brought people to the light.
Speaker 1: Because this is how I stopped doing super nasty porn watching.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say they weren't holding that when they clicked
Speaker 4: the ad. They were holding something else, but it was yeah.
Speaker 4: So then, actually, the way we got caught and by
Speaker 4: the way, it wasn't my idea.
Speaker 3: I was just pushing the buttons.
Speaker 4: But the way we got caught is the the company
Speaker 4: was like, hey, how come people are only watching our
Speaker 4: ad for point zero zero four seconds? Damn every time
Speaker 4: they clicked because people would click it, see it wasn't
Speaker 4: what they thought.
Speaker 1: It was then clicking and then they went back.
Speaker 2: They weren't.
Speaker 3: They weren't Cokela No, no, they.
Speaker 2: Or they were but not in that not in that
Speaker 2: way or in that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, I mean but but I think that
Speaker 1: they couldn't get upset about that because this to me
Speaker 1: like it is scamming the nasty porn watchers. But for
Speaker 1: the company who paid for the advertisement, they got the views.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: I don't finish your session and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: your jones are for a nice cold coke.
Speaker 4: Maybe people are nobody is in a better spot to
Speaker 4: take in advertising than maybe the person who clicked on
Speaker 4: that ad. Like they're susceptible to anything in that moment,
Speaker 4: they're really open.
Speaker 2: They are really open and in more ways than what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the jerkoff demographic is really underutilized.
Speaker 1: Honestly, If someone advertised me while I had my koodio out, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's like memorable. That's a memorable experience. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget it because I'm very vulnerable in that moment. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna remember everything. Yeah, you've got your lotion and your
Speaker 1: tissue and you and and and what maybe you're in
Speaker 1: the bathroom hat in for.
Speaker 2: Adrenaline.
Speaker 4: Is you're gonna mem Yeah, you're gonna know and then
Speaker 4: afterwards you're gonna want maybe a Coca Cola. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: maybe you're right, you know, maybe it wasn't a scam.
Speaker 4: Maybe this's also this is sol legit.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think break dot com was giving everybody
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 4: They were you know, so they went out of business,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I think we should bring them back.
Speaker 3: It is a business model there for sure.
Speaker 2: It is scarf.
Speaker 1: Cod Oh my gosh, tangent. But we'll get into the story.
Speaker 1: But that also makes me think of like how you know,
Speaker 1: certain websites, like porn websites have like communities and comments sections. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is bonding over this? Who finishes
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing to themselves? And it's like I need
Speaker 1: to leave a comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have thoughts, yeah exactly that I couldn't keep
Speaker 4: to myself that I needed other people to know. Also,
Speaker 4: when you finish doing that, the ability to do anything
Speaker 4: usually is pretty tough.
Speaker 1: So that that which makes me think these are like
Speaker 1: super type a people, yeah, who like maybe schedule their
Speaker 1: diddling in their day and there's like time to diddle,
Speaker 1: all right, seven minutes out the window time for me
Speaker 1: to leave a response.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really enjoyed this video.
Speaker 4: I thought we got great to the point I think
Speaker 4: it's people on both ends of the productivity spectrum. It's
Speaker 4: the people who probably don't get anything done in an
Speaker 4: entire day and the people.
Speaker 3: Who are like the CEOs of companies.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I think it's exactly that. It's how
Speaker 1: they always say that if you are miserable, you either
Speaker 1: have not enough money or way too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you're leaving a comment on a porn video, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're too much time or not enough or not enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes I think about this one comment I saw
Speaker 3: once on a porn video and it just said, hey,
Speaker 3: great job.
Speaker 4: Oh, and I thought, wow, they I like, I was like,
Speaker 4: they must think that the person in the porn went
Speaker 4: back and I guess read the comments.
Speaker 1: They might.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if people look.
Speaker 1: At their views and people like, you know, want to
Speaker 1: make sure that they're spreading, you know, the disseminating Yeah,
Speaker 1: the work, ye, the products. Oh my gosh, I sound
Speaker 1: looks such a prude, but the work the pornographic cinema.
Speaker 3: Pornographic cinema. Yes, no, but but I think that's lovely.
Speaker 2: You did say justin there that love is not a scam.
Speaker 2: So that was sweet of them to say. Good job.
Speaker 4: Guys you know, might have cheered up that person. They
Speaker 4: were having a tough day, they went and looked at
Speaker 4: the common section of the porn that they're in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you guys get on Apple podcasts
Speaker 1: and leave me a good job. It's five stars.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Break dot Com isn't here anymore. Okay, but if it was,
Speaker 1: I would advertise on it. I would love for it
Speaker 1: to be like Nasty sex binge before it's scam God is,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you would listen to the podcast afterwards.
Speaker 1: But let's get into my favorite segment here, historic could wings.
Speaker 1: This is where I were a gale justin with a
Speaker 1: famous con caper scheme. Maybe it's a group of criminals,
Speaker 1: a single actor, a couple. We don't know yet, and
Speaker 1: we'll get his opinions all through out. So today keeping.
Speaker 2: Up on our dad theme, because we've talked about all
Speaker 2: the things that dad's love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got born else.
Speaker 2: Coca Cola love, being tax accountants.
Speaker 3: It really is a dad centric start.
Speaker 1: Yes, making up credit in the eighties definitely someone's father.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about a suburban dad and aspiring musician
Speaker 1: Mike Smith who made ten million dollars by creating thousands
Speaker 1: of fake listeners.
Speaker 2: Was he also a break a break dot com? Justin
Speaker 2: was this you no? No plow were.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: But I wish I could pull off that hat.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Justin is giving you might have had
Speaker 2: a TND and he was has some biceps.
Speaker 4: That is the best I've ever looked, By the way,
Speaker 4: what every photo musician he can never look at the camera.
Speaker 3: It's always like off into the distance.
Speaker 1: Honestly, musicians are the only people who can get away
Speaker 1: with fedoras. It's still ichy, Yeah, it's still iky, but
Speaker 1: when a musician wears it, it's like, oh are you Santana, Like,
Speaker 1: we'll let this happen. Other than that, stop wearing them,
Speaker 1: especially if you're approaching people for threesomes. I told y'all,
Speaker 1: it's always a really beautiful woman who approaches me and
Speaker 1: a man in a fedora in the corner like yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no her, sure.
Speaker 3: You know's got to send her over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also he could not wear the fedora.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like once you're into threesomes, you
Speaker 4: have to have some kind of hat. You can't you
Speaker 4: can't just have your regular hairstyt But I.
Speaker 2: Feel like that's not the hat that convinces me you're
Speaker 2: good at three.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know why I'm defending this, this hypothetical guy.
Speaker 4: I'm not, but I'm bald, and I like hats.
Speaker 1: I like hats too. But I also love that he's
Speaker 1: posed in front of this graffiti wall holding his guitar,
Speaker 1: looking like he's midstrum. It's it's really giving.
Speaker 2: It's giving, Jason Maras, it's giving, Jason Maras. I agree, Jess,
Speaker 2: it's also giving. Jason. I feel like he could do
Speaker 2: a flip. Look at all that white he got on.
Speaker 2: You know he can do a flip.
Speaker 3: Has he got a vest on too?
Speaker 1: A white vest over a white T shirt with white pants?
Speaker 1: Is that not Jason Derulo? Okay, I bet you we
Speaker 1: could do a flip. And if the door stays on.
Speaker 3: See, that's the kind of guy I wanted a threesome.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, now you're don't make me like that.
Speaker 2: Now if I get into the situation justin, I'm going
Speaker 2: to call you like this. I didn't. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: It happened. He did a flip right in front of me,
Speaker 3: and the hat.
Speaker 1: Was on, and I was like Okay, give me your
Speaker 1: hotel room key, I'll come. Okay, I'll be there. So
Speaker 1: this this suburban dad and aspiring musician Mike Smith. He
Speaker 1: made ten million dollars by creating thousands fake listeners to
Speaker 1: stream his also fake music, so.
Speaker 2: He could rake in the royalties.
Speaker 1: So Mike was a dad in his forties who wore
Speaker 1: tight shirts and known the chain of urgent care facilities.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's not where I thought that was going. Wow, really,
Speaker 4: anybody but anywhere but there?
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't think we're gonna go for urgent care?
Speaker 3: No tight shirts and also rescued dogs.
Speaker 1: Right, Like, I don't know if I want tight shirts,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think I have strip and then
Speaker 1: just the tightest shirted.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: This is such a specific kind of person in their forties.
Speaker 4: Really though, as a man in my forties, you have
Speaker 4: to make the decision that you're never gonna wear anything
Speaker 4: super tight again.
Speaker 2: You have to have a good bod.
Speaker 3: I don't, but thank you.
Speaker 2: I know you do some type of recreational sport.
Speaker 3: What is no, I don't know. It mostly just looks
Speaker 3: like I have cancer, but but I don't. And I
Speaker 3: appreciate and support everyone.
Speaker 4: Who does but I don't. But I look like I do,
Speaker 4: and so that's why I wouldn't wear it. That's why
Speaker 4: if something looks tight on me, it's simply just because
Speaker 4: I'm deathly skinny. But this man, I think he obviously
Speaker 4: works out, probably no more than two days a week.
Speaker 3: But none of them are legg day.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, you know those calves are skin teeth,
Speaker 4: Yeah they are. But I think he feels good enough
Speaker 4: to try to wear that tight shirt. And I think,
Speaker 4: as a guy in your forties, you have to just
Speaker 4: transition out of this shirt.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people who accept that they're in
Speaker 1: their forties and they hang out with people of their
Speaker 1: own age and their own ilk because they enjoy the
Speaker 1: camaraderie of talking about things with people your own age.
Speaker 2: And like, my little sister.
Speaker 1: Moved to Los Angeles to go to grad school, and
Speaker 1: I realized because I was like, oh, I was going
Speaker 1: out of town again to shoot, going Dutch in Ireland.
Speaker 1: I do that for like four months year, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't know anybody, Like I need
Speaker 1: to find some friends for her because I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: gone and I don't want her to be alone. And
Speaker 1: so then I started thinking, like, who are my friends
Speaker 1: in their early to mid twenties, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in their early to mid twenties.
Speaker 1: I literally had to ask friends and then be like,
Speaker 1: can your cousin you want to do a cousin date
Speaker 1: with my sisters so they can meet it. They could,
Speaker 1: they could be friends. Like I didn't know anybody, but
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy in that tight ass shirt, he
Speaker 1: knows all the people in their twenties and probably some
Speaker 1: club promoters.
Speaker 4: Still, yeah, and that's probably really problematic. I don't know
Speaker 4: that he's probably had one good interaction with one person
Speaker 4: in their twenties.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I was in college, there would be an
Speaker 1: old person and like there was this this football player
Speaker 1: who ex football player who owned a chain of check
Speaker 1: cashing places.
Speaker 3: Was there either, Wow, And that's the same with him.
Speaker 2: He's a tight shirted man who owns some urgent care.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the formula is you got to have
Speaker 1: one thing that don't go with the other, and then
Speaker 1: you stay in the And he was.
Speaker 2: In his fifties.
Speaker 1: He would take us to the clubs, he would take
Speaker 1: us everywhere, and uh, you know, one time he did
Speaker 1: trip and fall, And that's when I really realized how
Speaker 1: old he was because when he tripped and phil like,
Speaker 1: we were all out and drinking and stuff. But if
Speaker 1: it had been a younger person tripping and falling, I
Speaker 1: think we all would.
Speaker 2: Have laughed and been like, oh, bit the gasp in
Speaker 2: the silence when this old man fell, we was like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna die?
Speaker 4: By the way, that was his nightmare because he would
Speaker 4: have felt so much better if everyone laughed. But the
Speaker 4: fact that you were seriously concerned about his health, that's
Speaker 4: what that. Nothing is more sobering than people recognizing how
Speaker 4: well je.
Speaker 1: When you start tripping and people are concerned if you're
Speaker 1: okay and not making fun of you. Yeah, you turned
Speaker 1: the corner. You've turned a corner. And so you know,
Speaker 1: he got the tight shirts on, he's got the urgent care.
Speaker 1: And this is when he decided to start self rising
Speaker 1: or self financing a rise to music start up because
Speaker 1: tight shirts and urgent care were not enough for him.
Speaker 1: So he lived in a big house in Charlotte, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: with his six kids and wife until that stopped inspiring
Speaker 1: him and he.
Speaker 2: Got a divorce.
Speaker 3: I didn't know he had to be inspired to stay married.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been married for sixteen years. I think
Speaker 2: you've been inspired.
Speaker 3: I guess that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike said, I'm not aspired by my family no more.
Speaker 1: Y'all ain't got the rids no more. Okay, they stop
Speaker 1: wearing tight shirts. He was like, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: He fruit of the low mass, bitches, I can't be
Speaker 1: with you no more. So he reconnected with and married
Speaker 1: his college girlfriend, which reminded him how much he liked
Speaker 1: a jam session back in college.
Speaker 3: You're describing the saddest man in the world.
Speaker 1: He shouldna stay with his family, Yeah, because he went
Speaker 1: and married somebody who encouraged his corniness. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: his friend in college, who is unmarried at this age,
Speaker 1: was like, you know what he got them urgent cares.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ignore the fact that his nipples are rock
Speaker 1: hard in every room we go into, because I need
Speaker 1: financial stability in a person of my own age.
Speaker 2: And then she was like, yeah, baby, get back into jamming.
Speaker 3: Man to the garage. No one's ever been more divorced
Speaker 3: than this guy. This is wow.
Speaker 2: That does feel like a divorced man's hobby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No one jams, but divorced dads the only people
Speaker 3: who jam.
Speaker 1: Divorce dads jam, and dads who have been buried and
Speaker 1: you know for like forty years, they put like together.
Speaker 3: Boats and bottles, yes, yeah, and intricate train sets.
Speaker 1: Intricate train sets. Yes, And that gives them a thrill
Speaker 1: up their leg that they need. So he knew how
Speaker 1: to play the guitar, banjo, piano, drums, bass, mandolin, and
Speaker 1: the docimer.
Speaker 3: Wow, I've never heard.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've heard that in my ear
Speaker 1: or heard of it at all. But he and he
Speaker 1: always thought that he could be a star.
Speaker 3: So this is oh God, just to go laugh him,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, keep going to be a star just he could.
Speaker 1: This newly divorced guy used the money from his medical
Speaker 1: business to fill his music career because he thought treatment
Speaker 1: treating people for ail miss that wasn't enough for the world.
Speaker 1: Now said fuck that I actually need. My music is
Speaker 1: gonna heal y'all. Yeah, more yeah, even more.
Speaker 3: Character that's gonna rack up the bills to pay for this.
Speaker 2: He decided he was the Patch Adams of music.
Speaker 1: So all y'all needed a little music, y'all gonna be Okay,
Speaker 1: So Mike linked up with a music publicist named Hey,
Speaker 1: best known for promoting his name was Hey, this is Hey.
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, he looks like Hey, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is the straw man.
Speaker 4: When has this guy ever been introduced into a story
Speaker 4: and things got better?
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like I'm on like the Wizard
Speaker 1: of Oz, Like we've got Mike, he's Dorothy and the
Speaker 1: two tight shirts.
Speaker 2: We've got Hey, he's given.
Speaker 3: Me like the Cowardly Lion, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Cowardly lion or horse scarecrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, you're right, scarecrow, little of both.
Speaker 2: He's given scarecrow as well.
Speaker 1: And Hey was best known for promoting a false rumor
Speaker 1: that Rihanna had hooked up with jay Z to boost
Speaker 1: attention for her two thousand and four song pon the Replay.
Speaker 3: He is famous for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a famous industry liar.
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't know that you could, Like, is that
Speaker 3: a business?
Speaker 2: I mean, what is Perez Hilton?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well but this guy just did it once.
Speaker 1: That's what TMZ used to be and now they want
Speaker 1: to be real journalists. GMZ knows if you're dead before
Speaker 1: you do, I.
Speaker 3: Hope.
Speaker 2: So we used to not trust them, but now when
Speaker 2: they pop up, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, now they're the most trusted. I'm like, I'll wait
Speaker 4: to see what TMZ says.
Speaker 2: That's all you know.
Speaker 1: Outlets are funcked by the government when you're like, I'll
Speaker 1: wait to see what TMZ says. And sadly that is
Speaker 1: a real thing in my brain. I kept seeing rumors
Speaker 1: that Erica Kirk was at Coachella, and I was like,
Speaker 1: m I'll wait to see.
Speaker 2: Before I believe this.
Speaker 1: So SMH Records shake my head is what that sounds
Speaker 1: like to me. But in this case it's Mike and Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the S stands for, We'll find
Speaker 1: a star. They started a music label called SMH Records
Speaker 1: and plan to work their way through the industry as
Speaker 1: producers while also making Mike himself a star. Mike had
Speaker 1: the money to open the label, sign artists and produce
Speaker 1: their albums because remember he left people who needed health
Speaker 1: care behind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, as we all do as a country.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, to make money being a star. Yes, And
Speaker 2: this is SMH records social media page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Y'all need to get my king sway off of here. Okay,
Speaker 1: get him off of here. Don't do my king like that.
Speaker 1: See he belongs on this page that makes is that
Speaker 1: a what's that old man's name? The light skinned one
Speaker 1: who's old. People are gonna get really mad about this.
Speaker 1: Not mister world Wide. He's an old like a Motown
Speaker 1: crooner with light green eyes who had a weird sex
Speaker 1: album recently.
Speaker 2: But he's in his eighties. Oh damn, I know somebody
Speaker 2: is screaming right now.
Speaker 3: Smokey Robinson, Yes, show he does.
Speaker 2: Smokey Robins has a show here.
Speaker 3: It's a channel, Smokey's the Soul something or other. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and he hosts a channel on serious accent.
Speaker 2: Wow, y'all listen to Smokey's.
Speaker 3: And we brought him up because we love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it might get weirdly horny, but don't don't
Speaker 1: worry about that.
Speaker 3: There's not another way to get horny in your eighties.
Speaker 3: It's only weirdly horny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm happy for them because I hope to
Speaker 1: be weirdly horny in my eighties. So Smah's got a
Speaker 1: distribution deal with Capitol Records subsidiary, and a Universal Music
Speaker 1: executive left a senior vice president position to be their
Speaker 1: chief operating officer.
Speaker 2: So they got some real backing behind this.
Speaker 3: And with these meetings that they were taking with Hay
Speaker 3: and the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike and Hay and maybe S.
Speaker 2: Maybe is that S?
Speaker 3: We don't know who is.
Speaker 1: So Mike and Hay made two albums together. One was
Speaker 1: called Fear of a Pink Planet? Is that about women? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe that would be a good inso bop.
Speaker 4: It feels like a good insul that's like a clovicular
Speaker 4: bop like that's.
Speaker 1: And it was inspired like it was credited to this
Speaker 1: group called Pink Grenade, which also feels like men being
Speaker 1: afraid of Like, yeah, what if a coucie was a bomb?
Speaker 3: Well, what if it was?
Speaker 1: That's what women leadership feels like to them. Oh no,
Speaker 1: we have a coucie bomb boss.
Speaker 6: Oh no.
Speaker 1: And then they had another album called When Music Worlds Collide,
Speaker 1: which is not no. Yeah, Fear of a Pink Planet
Speaker 1: I might tune in, but When Music Worlds Collide feels
Speaker 1: bad and credited to Mike and Hay and the Bay
Speaker 1: Area hip hop artist DJ King Tick.
Speaker 3: So that's not one of the Bay Area hip hop
Speaker 3: artists I've heard of.
Speaker 1: No, I have not heard of King Tech, it goes.
Speaker 3: And then DJ.
Speaker 2: Then it goes DJ King Test.
Speaker 3: Those are the top two Bay Area artists.
Speaker 2: I would throw it.
Speaker 1: Oh too short, too short, and you can't forget what's
Speaker 1: the space with the paint hammer?
Speaker 2: Mc hammer?
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's true. He certainly wouldn't forget it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm scared of him. People don't know those
Speaker 1: don't let them funny pants for you. That man was
Speaker 1: a gangster, is that true? Yes, and very feared and
Speaker 1: respect him. Really, yes, you're being serious.
Speaker 2: Yes, mc hammer was. He he was out here at
Speaker 2: him a time, but then everywhere else they were like
Speaker 2: it's the hammer.
Speaker 4: Run like yeah, it's like hearing like Mickey Mouse fucked
Speaker 4: people up right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Wow, it is comical.
Speaker 1: That's why I love that sketch in The Chappelle Show
Speaker 1: where it was Wayne Brady and he was like, yes,
Speaker 1: Wayne Brady the bitch and everybody's like.
Speaker 2: It's why Brady run away?
Speaker 3: Like wow, I know that.
Speaker 1: So both of these albums had tons of features, including
Speaker 1: one from Parliament Funkadelic drummer Jerome Brayley and uncredited monologue.
Speaker 2: From Johnny Depp. On one song, Johnny Depp went on
Speaker 2: there and did a monologue.
Speaker 4: Did he know he was doing it for like, did
Speaker 4: they take it from a movie or he actually went
Speaker 4: on and just did a monologue.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes in our career sometimes you just show
Speaker 1: up places and they tell you you gonna get money
Speaker 1: and then just.
Speaker 3: You just do it.
Speaker 1: One time, I was on camera and they were like,
Speaker 1: we'll give you five thousand dollars to open this ruler.
Speaker 1: And I was broke at the time. I don't know
Speaker 1: how I got this job, and I thought maybe it's
Speaker 1: gonna kill me when I went. But I was like,
Speaker 1: got a risk it and I went, and they just
Speaker 1: wanted me to comically open some very complicated science thing
Speaker 1: for a tech conference. So it's probably to be like,
Speaker 1: look at this hot dummy who can't understand this complicated ruler.
Speaker 2: Look at her how dumb and hot and on TV
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 3: Man's the only one who did it.
Speaker 2: Cecily Strong, did.
Speaker 3: You both open? You both open for this tech company?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was filmed. It only took thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know what they did with it. Travel
Speaker 1: the nasty point. I'm right in front of a co
Speaker 1: commercial right now, rab.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: The Avila Brothers songwriters and producers, best known for their
Speaker 1: work with Usher, recorded one of his songs with Billy
Speaker 1: Ray Cyrus and Snoop Dogg. That makes sense to make
Speaker 1: a Snoop Dogg just be doing anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll do whatever.
Speaker 2: He'd be doing anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the song is called Lipstick.
Speaker 1: It's a song about Kim Kardashian and features Ashley Holmes,
Speaker 1: who was famous for being one of the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of New Jersey. And let's just hear a little bit
Speaker 1: of lipstick Jonathan Hay and Mike Smith, Oh, lipstick, pink grenade.
Speaker 2: Hey, I hope my mom do the song.
Speaker 1: I know you wont my lipstick on your tip stick.
Speaker 2: Than your stupid hos Mac on my face. I'm rocking
Speaker 2: diamonds on my little bitch. Now you're playing with the
Speaker 2: pros a foot fetish.
Speaker 3: There's a ton of foot fetish in this.
Speaker 1: You on with my big old double dhoy. So she's
Speaker 1: looking licking a white joy with your big pallas.
Speaker 2: I know you want my lipstick you okay?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: That's yeah? Is that what you did for the tech company?
Speaker 2: I know you want your roller in my pool.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of the like little Mama lip
Speaker 3: Glass five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my lip blouses Poppet made. That's what they were
Speaker 2: going for.
Speaker 4: But it's all about sucking dick dipstick, which yeah, which
Speaker 4: is like a nobody even says that. Well, it's like like, ah,
Speaker 4: your nineteen forties dipstick, like that's nobody uses.
Speaker 2: That and it's meant to be grotesque, but it's actually
Speaker 2: kind of like funny.
Speaker 3: Why is she stepping on lipstick over and over again because.
Speaker 2: She's gonna put it on her toes so she could
Speaker 2: put the toes on the dipstick?
Speaker 3: Also, has a music video ever been made for less
Speaker 3: than this?
Speaker 2: They cut back to the shot several times.
Speaker 4: There was it's literally taking place in like one room,
Speaker 4: in one part of one room, like the other part
Speaker 4: of the room is probably like people in cubicles.
Speaker 2: Like it's right, and you're so right about dipsick being
Speaker 2: so outdated. It's giving like I.
Speaker 1: Know you want my palt on your pad to welcome tonight,
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? And why so they wrote
Speaker 1: this I would hope so yeah. So now if only
Speaker 1: Mike's music had been good, this system would have worked.
Speaker 1: We have another song that we want to show you
Speaker 1: justin if you're.
Speaker 2: Okay with it.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 1: It's called Let's Take It Naked. Maybe it's better. The
Speaker 1: song is crashing my computer.
Speaker 2: Hold on, here we go, Okay, do the starts with.
Speaker 1: Due to our strong personal convictions, we wish to stress
Speaker 1: that this film in no way endorses the belief in
Speaker 1: the illuminati.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a warning like that before.
Speaker 2: It's like the beginning of a BHS tape. Uh oh oh,
Speaker 2: it's huragan. Okay. It's a lot of cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much cocaine, but like not in the way
Speaker 1: that you would think people would do cocaine.
Speaker 4: No, it's like he's doing cocaine with a crazy straw though,
Speaker 4: like a straw from a children's birthday.
Speaker 3: He gragged to do cocaine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, to coca like coming to Swanson's and big
Speaker 4: Sunday straw.
Speaker 2: We don't need to see anymore.
Speaker 1: If let's take it naked, it's actually crashing our computer,
Speaker 1: which makes sense. It's so bad it's imploating things. So
Speaker 1: let's get to the rap reality competition show. You knew
Speaker 1: that was coming up next, right, justin absolutely like Mike and.
Speaker 3: Have does the Zeus network come up anywhere in this Batty?
Speaker 2: It's a book for the world. Obviously, I've seen it.
Speaker 3: I have to say, Quinta Brunson will not let me
Speaker 3: watch anything on the Zeus Network. She's banned me from
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.
Speaker 2: What, and I appreciate that Quincy did that.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.
Speaker 2: We both worked on a Black Lady's Sketch show. That's
Speaker 2: how we met.
Speaker 1: And uh, she's protecting you from a gaze that only
Speaker 1: black people should see.
Speaker 3: She said that I shouldn't see it.
Speaker 1: It's shameful and we don't need you to think about
Speaker 1: any of us that way. Too many wigs flying and
Speaker 1: all they do is give them ladies tequila and the
Speaker 1: occasional dorito.
Speaker 2: And tell them to street fights. And I feel like,
Speaker 2: now I'm selling it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just did the worst job of not getting
Speaker 4: people to watch the Zeus Network.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna admit it.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 2: I've seen the things.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's cathartic because I was like, if
Speaker 1: my acting career ever, or any of my performing careers
Speaker 1: went south, I feel like I could get one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be okay out of someone. Oh, that wouldn't be
Speaker 1: my role. I feel like there's no one on that
Speaker 1: show who likes It's like very prideful to like win
Speaker 1: a fight and stand on business. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I could sit on Shenanikins and I could run away,
Speaker 1: like everybody would just be me running away like no,
Speaker 1: and if they happen to catch me, be like oh
Speaker 1: ow nobody.
Speaker 2: Oh Like I feel like that would be good for me.
Speaker 1: So the rap reality competition show this is where Mike
Speaker 1: continues to pour money into his dreams, even though these
Speaker 1: songs were objectively terrible and somewhat terrifying.
Speaker 2: So and they don't even turn to be good bad,
Speaker 2: They're just bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So next he fully self financed a rap reality competition
Speaker 1: show called One Shot. He made it himself with no
Speaker 1: network attached in twenty fourteen, and we have a little
Speaker 1: bit of the trailer of One Shot. I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: Eminem was popping and he was like, you only get
Speaker 1: one shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah. We set up one stage, one stage rich with
Speaker 5: one ties to impress all celebrity judges a woman each
Speaker 5: week MC's Move On. One will go home with one
Speaker 5: hundred K and a record deal. The others just go
Speaker 5: home way King Crooked and King One Undisputed King of
Speaker 5: the Mic DJ Khalil, who will make that one shot count.
Speaker 3: This is reality.
Speaker 5: One Shot from twenty seven September seven on B B
Speaker 5: E T.
Speaker 2: I knew I had heard of one Shot. Damn it.
Speaker 6: It got me, by the way. That is a who's
Speaker 6: who of people who will do anything for my money.
Speaker 6: That's like, yeah, I feel like justin.
Speaker 1: When you're writing the eulogy for my funeral. We can
Speaker 1: definitely get Dj Khaled on the mic to say we
Speaker 1: the bess.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, or we want the best Heavy was, yes,
Speaker 3: we can get t I there too.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, you can.
Speaker 1: Die whenever you like. Yeah, we yep, yep, we got it.
Speaker 1: We got a whole line up coming. So Mike and
Speaker 1: his main collaborates are collaborators.
Speaker 2: Crooked, Team Keck and Sway Callaway.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Smike.
Speaker 1: They held these nationwide auditions and they got t I, Riza,
Speaker 1: the Game, Tech nine, Twista, and Dj Khaled to do
Speaker 1: the guest hosting. Crooked says that they filmed nearly eighty
Speaker 1: percent of the show themselves and used that footage to
Speaker 1: create a sizzle reel and sold it to BET before
Speaker 1: completing the production.
Speaker 2: Sure was like, yes, we love these Shenanigans.
Speaker 1: For the winner of One Shot they promised one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in a deal with Smah Records. Oh god,
Speaker 1: the coveted so because he paid for it, Mike got
Speaker 1: seated at the judge's table. Though he's barely in the
Speaker 1: trailer and it's often unclear why he's on the show
Speaker 1: at all, he wanted to be in front of the
Speaker 1: camera as well.
Speaker 2: There is not wearing his fedora, but definitely looking out
Speaker 2: of place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no he does. I mean, that's a pretty motley crew.
Speaker 1: But you know what, he probably took inspiration from Diddy
Speaker 1: because Diddy used to always be in his artist music
Speaker 1: video unnecessarily and everyone had a problem with it. Like
Speaker 1: that was the thing that Shuge Knight talked about. He
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't want you producer in your
Speaker 1: music video, come to death Row Records. They knew he
Speaker 1: was a minis for a long time. So around the
Speaker 1: time the production on the show started, Mike and Hey
Speaker 1: got in a fight. Hey started to suspect that his
Speaker 1: buddy's finances were not all in order. He and other
Speaker 1: ESMAHS employees sent their business associates a one hundred and
Speaker 1: eleven page document accusing Mike of financial mismanagement. Mike reply
Speaker 1: alled with one sentence, how would you reply, justin, wow
Speaker 1: to you're a business partner who's now outed you to
Speaker 1: the entire company saying that you're mismanaging finances.
Speaker 2: What's one sentence? I would just shut it all down?
Speaker 3: I mean, did he reply with his bank statement?
Speaker 2: Wow, Justin you're a real class act. He said, you
Speaker 2: got a tiny penis?
Speaker 3: Oh, well that's drying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got I like we call it a penis,
Speaker 1: You got a tiny penis. His words for phallacies are dipstick, dips,
Speaker 1: penus s.
Speaker 3: Long like this dude has never referred to a dick.
Speaker 2: No, he's never sexted.
Speaker 3: No, no, or he has, but he's It's ended very quickly.
Speaker 1: I'd love to be the speculum and your hap smear
Speaker 1: like I feel like it's like when we found out
Speaker 1: Prince Charles was calling Camilla talking about I'd love to
Speaker 1: be your tampon.
Speaker 2: It's giving that like, Sarah, what.
Speaker 3: Check out my hard wiener are terrible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Wiener's awful.
Speaker 1: So the show aired its only season, Shocker, on BT
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, which feels too close to the present
Speaker 1: even though it's ten years ago. It didn't turn Mike
Speaker 1: into a star. But at least he made up with
Speaker 1: his friend Hay and they kept trying. So the French
Speaker 1: that I made up.
Speaker 3: Good, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: He said you had a tiny penis.
Speaker 3: He was like what yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, how do
Speaker 3: you think they had a real hard to heart out?
Speaker 2: Love is real? So you just love Israel. So let's
Speaker 2: get to the fake listeners that sparked all of this.
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, Mike started to use fake email addresses
Speaker 1: to create bot accounts on streaming platforms that could play
Speaker 1: his music on repeat. Now he started to get some
Speaker 1: traction with the royalties. The bot accounts started running up
Speaker 1: the streams. At one point, he had one thousand and
Speaker 1: forty accounts, each one streaming approximately six hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: six songs a day, with his music accruing about six
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one thousand, four hundred and forty streams
Speaker 1: a day, and the average royalty per stream was half
Speaker 1: a cent.
Speaker 3: Whoa, so yeah this is back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Mike estimated he was earning about three thousand, three
Speaker 1: hundred and seven dollars and twenty cents a day. Wow,
Speaker 1: so like ninety nine two hundred and sixteen dollars a
Speaker 1: month and over one one point two million a year.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is making me think differently about dipstick.
Speaker 2: Should we write a song?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patty Whacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patty Whackers, we have you stepping on lipstick?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, something something in that area.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This this feels like I'm I've turned a corner on
Speaker 4: this guy. I feel like this doesn't seem like someone
Speaker 4: was a tiny penis to me at all.
Speaker 1: No, or maybe yeah, or maybe they basic Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just to distract from the penis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's constantly calling to him, like make more money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get bigger. Yeah, you'll never be big as
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 1: And then they'll think I'm big.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty four, he had
Speaker 1: as many as ten thousand active body accounts streaming the music.
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, he and his boy Hey released Tiny Penis.
Speaker 1: Hey release the Jazz album. They've moved on to jazz.
Speaker 1: They love Negro genres. Really, they're trying them all. They're like,
Speaker 1: black people have been very successful with this. You can't
Speaker 1: do a hip hop, let's try jazz a school but
Speaker 1: bup and it hit number one on the Billboard charts.
Speaker 1: They're out there, jazz album. What Yeah, But the next
Speaker 1: week it wasn't on the chart at all. There were
Speaker 1: no tweets or online comments about the songs on the album.
Speaker 1: Hey looked at Spotify's dashboard for artists and saw that
Speaker 1: listeners appeared concentrated in far away places like Vietnam.
Speaker 3: Was jazz this huge Vietnam?
Speaker 1: Oh they love it in.
Speaker 2: Vietnam, schoop it about. Yeah, but yes, that's how they
Speaker 2: won the war.
Speaker 3: That is how they won the war. It was through jazz.
Speaker 2: It was through jazz. Yeah, that's what the movie La
Speaker 2: La Land is all about.
Speaker 3: It's about how jazz won the Vietnam War. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: for the Vietnamese. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So that's when he started getting notices from distributors and
Speaker 1: companies that handle the licensing of indie artists music flagging
Speaker 1: their music for streaming fraud. Meanwhile, Mike was celebrating finally
Speaker 1: making it big because he had something on Billboard charts
Speaker 1: and they don't know how, but he did. And also
Speaker 1: this the jazz Billboard charts. I feel like it's probably
Speaker 1: pretty easy to squel.
Speaker 3: By Ranford Marsalis and noah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like Miles Davis just keeps coming back off
Speaker 1: the charts, ye, you know, and then Mike bitches Brew
Speaker 1: just is constantly a hit, you know yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Mike yeah was like Mike yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it
Speaker 1: goes Miles Davis, physical Lespie, Mike Yeah, the great yeah,
Speaker 1: so elephant Gerald, Mike and Mike.
Speaker 2: So Mike is celebrating.
Speaker 1: Right June of that year, he shared a photo of
Speaker 1: his Spotify stats on Instagram with two hundred and fourteen thousand,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy five monthly listeners and Mike loves
Speaker 1: to be specific. We've got his money down to the
Speaker 1: scent here, and he said he had more than seventy
Speaker 1: two thousand listeners on that specific day, and the caption
Speaker 1: was that's crazy and thanks to everyone who listens. Truly grateful. Hell,
Speaker 1: look how humble he is. Wow, he's so humble.
Speaker 3: He's so humble.
Speaker 1: He said, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you put in the work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not crime, that's no. Yeah, thank you for listening.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Butts so.
Speaker 1: Frod flags start popping up and Mike needed a new
Speaker 1: tactic to keep from getting caught.
Speaker 2: A billion fake streams for one song looked suspicious.
Speaker 3: Sure from Vietnam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Vietnam where there's.
Speaker 4: Like four million people there total who loved jazz. Yeah,
Speaker 4: who do love jazz.
Speaker 2: That's and they need to listen to it billions of
Speaker 2: times a day.
Speaker 1: So, but a fake billion fake streams spread across tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of songs, it's more difficult to detect. So
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence songs were still a new thing in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and Mike got in early, working with the CEO of
Speaker 1: an AI music startup to create hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: fake songs to send two streamers, once again AI.
Speaker 3: Improving the He was really ahead of the game.
Speaker 2: He really was when it comes to crime. He was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I definitely a scam. Let me get involved.
Speaker 1: And so in twenty twenty four Mike had made ten
Speaker 1: million dollars with this scheme and that's when.
Speaker 2: He finally got arrested by the FBI.
Speaker 3: Dang flew too close to the sun, honestly fake.
Speaker 2: The industry, music industry has so many scams going on.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like, why is he any worse than
Speaker 3: anything else?
Speaker 1: And I would be on his side if he wasn't
Speaker 1: using AI you poison to black people in Memphis, to
Speaker 1: the scubay bop bops from Vietnam.
Speaker 2: So we can't be serious. And now we have his
Speaker 2: mugshot here.
Speaker 3: Shot. No, but he looks really alert, Yeah he does.
Speaker 3: He looks the most awake anyone's ever been.
Speaker 1: This was quite the sobering experience ye him because he's
Speaker 1: looking directly in the cameras. It feels like the Mona
Speaker 1: Lisa scams, like the eyes follow you around? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 3: That do you think they raided his house?
Speaker 2: What were they gonna get? Probably the computers and stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe?
Speaker 1: Oh man?
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: And the AI songs have largely been scrubbed, but much
Speaker 1: of the music Mic released is under his own name
Speaker 1: and still wildly like available. The AI music startup isn't
Speaker 1: named in court documents, but it was probably Boomy And that,
Speaker 1: finally is how Mike Smith became a famous man, which
Speaker 1: is what he wanted from the start. So he got
Speaker 1: famous from being arrested for making AI music and making millions.
Speaker 2: Off of it.
Speaker 3: Is he still in jail?
Speaker 1: Well, he was arrested in twenty twenty four. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know it's twenty twenty six. He made music
Speaker 1: history as the first person in the United States to
Speaker 1: face criminal charges tied to streaming fraud.
Speaker 3: Who stole more music camer elvis?
Speaker 1: Ooh, we got we got a Mamma Thornton. No, that's
Speaker 1: a ooh on the right side of history.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: You better be making a show with a black woman
Speaker 1: and know that that the elvis was ripping off everything.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: He was a hand dog. But that was big Mama. Honest.
Speaker 1: I think Big Mamma Thornton was the name that they
Speaker 1: gave her a dream Girls And that's not actually her name.
Speaker 2: But we all we all know where I'm getting with this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yes he was.
Speaker 1: He was really, even hardcore. Arrest documents say he fraudulently
Speaker 1: inflated his streams on platforms like Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify,
Speaker 1: and YouTube music.
Speaker 2: Poor guys, pour all of them.
Speaker 3: Can think of anyone look out for YouTube?
Speaker 2: Can anyone look out for q ball?
Speaker 4: Jests Nochede, justin would listen any kind of bald representation.
Speaker 3: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: You got Professor X.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's yes, yes, it's always good.
Speaker 4: When when Professor X is the first bald man people
Speaker 4: think of the made up character. Think of a cool
Speaker 4: bald guy. Well, I can't think of any that are real.
Speaker 4: Let me go to professor X.
Speaker 2: Damn. You're right, you're right. I thought of a real
Speaker 2: bald guy. Yeah, my dad's they're bald, okay something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're pulling off a lot of white people
Speaker 2: can't pull off.
Speaker 3: Bald Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. It looks like
Speaker 3: you had a little bit too, did you know, Not
Speaker 3: as much as my wife would like, but yeah, gotta
Speaker 3: do better.
Speaker 2: You know, the light coming from the state, Yeah shine, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: There have been reports that Smith's music Mike Mike Smith
Speaker 1: also popped up on SoundCloud Pandora title now.
Speaker 2: You Got Besay.
Speaker 3: You knew she'd make an appearance?
Speaker 1: Honestly, bease perform one of the songs. I want to
Speaker 1: hear one of the songs okay at uh Part part four,
Speaker 1: Part three, No, part three, part three, Yeah, part three.
Speaker 1: You give us some scam as so and even boom Play,
Speaker 1: a popular streaming service in Africa. So in response to
Speaker 1: like Spotify said it's preventive measures like caught Smith early,
Speaker 1: minimizing the royalties they paid out to just sixty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for Smith's own music and the AI generated tracks.
Speaker 2: Now, I love this.
Speaker 1: Spotify saying that they caught this early almost in a
Speaker 1: way that like they were the fraud stoppers.
Speaker 2: But I feel like it was more than Spotify was like,
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 1: Like to give people money, so we had to look
Speaker 1: into why we had to give him.
Speaker 2: Some that what it was and stop that.
Speaker 3: It was just it. Red flags came up when they
Speaker 3: had to pay someone. Yeah, that's what it was. There's
Speaker 3: nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 1: Other than that.
Speaker 2: It's a corporation, and it's corporations. Do we can't be
Speaker 2: out of it?
Speaker 3: Somebody burst into someone's off and said, do you know we're.
Speaker 1: Paying someone like a lot, like a wage.
Speaker 3: Can somebody fucking stop.
Speaker 2: This fucking wage?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: No, we got a kid after it, that's right.
Speaker 1: Pandora also said that they paid out fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: in royalties to Smith, where Smith Robert Pandora, we love them.
Speaker 1: It's really quite easy to pull off this kind of scheme.
Speaker 1: You can look up videos on how to make fake
Speaker 1: music on YouTube, and guides were creating bot listeners on Reddit.
Speaker 1: What's surprising is that Mike Smith is the only end
Speaker 1: of viual who has been caught for it. That might
Speaker 1: be because a lot of powerful businesses are also engaging
Speaker 1: in this kind of fraud or at least benefiting from it,
Speaker 1: so there's really no reason to stop it. Mike must
Speaker 1: to pised somebody off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It just like he didn't
Speaker 3: cut them in. It's the mafia. It's like they didn't
Speaker 3: get there cut It wasn't financially worth it for them.
Speaker 1: Right after him, he should have just made some phone
Speaker 1: calls with some of these larger companies and made them
Speaker 1: in on the scheme. Yeah, because maybe this helped with
Speaker 1: quarterly reports. Absolutely, he becomes investors like are looking there,
Speaker 1: like look at ours, We are in the black and rising,
Speaker 1: and billions of people in Thailand love our platform.
Speaker 3: Number go up, number go up. That's right.
Speaker 2: That's probably why they're quet about it.
Speaker 3: Number go up. Yeah. Yeah, they don't care how number goes.
Speaker 2: I don't care how number go up? Who number go up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go up? Exactly.
Speaker 1: So the down was a fifty thous that's right. Oh,
Speaker 1: Ye're worried about the war and food and the straight
Speaker 1: hor move and then people get kidnapped on.
Speaker 3: The streets thousand, fifty fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: That means something to you.
Speaker 3: We all know what that means.
Speaker 2: You all know what that means. Every day, I'm like
Speaker 2: thinking about the doll and it was not a fifty thousand.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, what's happening? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why am I even alive?
Speaker 3: I don't want to live in a world where.
Speaker 2: The ghetto. Yeah not everything else? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no doubt. So streaming fraud.
Speaker 1: Some have argued that Mike Smith is actually the robin
Speaker 1: Hood of streaming fraud, the little guy playing the same
Speaker 1: game the big labels play every day. I mean, ain't
Speaker 1: that wide Drake sewing his label because he said that
Speaker 1: they were streaming, ain't like they ain't like us?
Speaker 2: He said the label was running up the streams. He said,
Speaker 2: I know because we did it with my songs. And
Speaker 2: they were like, how're you gonna sue about that? How
Speaker 2: you go sue?
Speaker 3: You was like, yeah, when you're a part of the lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because y'all did it to me when
Speaker 2: and I'm also been doing this.
Speaker 3: Everybody's why I'm popular. Wait did I say that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Anyways, So label streamers and distributors and rights holders all
Speaker 1: make money on the royalty stream whether the song and
Speaker 1: listeners are real or not.
Speaker 2: Damn do we always start making fake music?
Speaker 4: Well here's the thing though about calling him Robin Hood.
Speaker 4: There's the other part of robinho is that he gave
Speaker 4: the money to the poor.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, minor details.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that part seems like it's missing.
Speaker 2: But you know what, he was giving his music to
Speaker 2: the ear poor.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true.
Speaker 4: That's true for all the people who had to live
Speaker 4: in a world where because at that time the doubt
Speaker 4: wasn't at fifty thousands.
Speaker 1: No, so we were shut down his medical clinics, right,
Speaker 1: because did he shut him down? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like, yeah, he's probably not also operating
Speaker 1: getting this money from somewhere. So, but he wasn't there
Speaker 1: anymore to see him obviously. So in current music, like
Speaker 1: the current music economy landscape, subscription and ad dollars for
Speaker 1: music and streaming are pooled in one big pot, and
Speaker 1: royalty money is allocated based on each artist's share of
Speaker 1: the total streams. BOT streams generate money for who's ever
Speaker 1: behind them and leave less in the royalty pool for others,
Speaker 1: which does not sound like Robinhood.
Speaker 2: To me, it sounds like Robin artists. Yeah, you Robin
Speaker 2: the Hood.
Speaker 3: I was kind of with the scam until that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially like smaller artists there already gets so little
Speaker 1: for the streams. Like so Spotify itself has been accused
Speaker 1: of doing this, stacking their playlist with cheaply licensed music
Speaker 1: to rack up plays and take money out of the
Speaker 1: royalty pool. I'm gonna stop you there, because every rap
Speaker 1: listen before there was Spotify, before we had.
Speaker 2: What is the one that I'm thinking about, that's like
Speaker 2: Orange SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: Before we had Spotify, Before we had SoundCloud, we had
Speaker 1: rappers with CDs in the back of their trunks.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: So now maybe Spotify is just creating a space for
Speaker 1: the rappers with the CDs in the back of their
Speaker 1: trunks to get their music into the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I remember, you know, walking down Hollywood Boulevard,
Speaker 4: people handed me their CDs.
Speaker 2: I remember like a thing where we used to call
Speaker 2: people SoundCloud rappers.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way, I deeply identified with that because
Speaker 1: I think starting an acting career is just like starting
Speaker 1: a rapper.
Speaker 2: Career, Like we are SoundCloud rappers.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get people to come to my
Speaker 1: improv shows or watch me in this show. I'm in
Speaker 1: it for thirty seconds at minute fifteen forty eight. Don't
Speaker 1: miss it tonight on Fox.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's tough because they've given them this opportunity,
Speaker 4: but then they also pay them dogshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, Mike Smith was a true fraudster.
Speaker 1: Even the actual businesses he used to bankroll for his
Speaker 1: music label, reality show and fake bot streams. Oh no,
Speaker 1: they were also a scam. We're getting to the end,
Speaker 1: getting back to his medical businesses.
Speaker 3: Does he end up in one of his own urgent cares?
Speaker 2: I feel like if he did, he'd get me out here.
Speaker 1: No, they got his tongue depresses and Q tips and
Speaker 1: nobody has.
Speaker 2: A medical degree.
Speaker 1: Hell well, the same year one shot aired on B
Speaker 1: E T Mike and his company calif Carolina Comprehensive Health
Speaker 1: Network sounds legit to me.
Speaker 2: Lots of words Carolina, which is.
Speaker 1: A place, it's a place, and we can verify that comprehensive,
Speaker 1: So they do, they can do. You need health, which
Speaker 1: is being what you want to go there to leave with.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be sick, No, you want health when
Speaker 1: you leave for sure, and network which is a lot
Speaker 1: of things things to get when you need it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a comprehensive network.
Speaker 1: They were accused of men care and medicaid from m
Speaker 1: in two separate lawsuits.
Speaker 3: See I didn't see that coming at all.
Speaker 1: Whistleblowers and some of his clinics said that they were
Speaker 1: told to carry out tests and procedures that were not
Speaker 1: medically necessary and then submit false reimbursement claims.
Speaker 4: See this is why I always have a rule that
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go see a doctor who's also a
Speaker 4: jazz musician.
Speaker 2: I don't know it. Might like them, they can improvise.
Speaker 3: I know, you know what that's true. It's the medications
Speaker 3: that they don't describe.
Speaker 1: Scoop it it by Bacon.
Speaker 2: I don't know it could it could be a thing.
Speaker 1: One of the two losses claim that SMH Records directly
Speaker 1: benefited from this fraud well due by September twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: Carolina Comprehensive Health Network, I was gonna say, compromise Help Network,
Speaker 1: which is what it is now, had allegedly paid SMH.
Speaker 1: So he's paying himself, robing Peter to pay Paul from
Speaker 1: his own businesses. One hundred and fifty thousand dollars. In
Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty, Mike settled one of the fraud
Speaker 1: cases for nine hundred thousand dollars, while the other one
Speaker 1: was dismissed as for streaming fraud. Mike is out on
Speaker 1: bail oh and has pleaded not guilty. He could get
Speaker 1: up to sixty years in prison if convicted.
Speaker 3: Wow, that feels like a bit much to me. Sixty years.
Speaker 1: Well, he's scheduled to be sentenced by a judge on
Speaker 1: July twenty ninth, twenty twenty six, and that.
Speaker 3: Judge, Judge Branford Marsalis.
Speaker 2: Oh Man.
Speaker 1: I hope that judge went to school at the Comprehensive
Speaker 1: University Network and that he doesn't face any jail time
Speaker 1: because this is pretty creative and when you think about it, like, yes,
Speaker 1: the artists are being harmed, but it's not like the
Speaker 1: music first.
Speaker 2: No, that's like if you if you get robbed.
Speaker 1: That's like if your car gets the tires taken off
Speaker 1: of it and somebody comes in later and steals your
Speaker 1: air freshener.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it already wasn't a working Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: We were more worried about the tires.
Speaker 1: So uh Smith, Mike Mike Smith has also agreed to
Speaker 1: forfeit over eight million dollars in royalties he gained from
Speaker 1: using bots to stream, and he's going to be paying
Speaker 1: that out from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four. And
Speaker 1: I bet you he's probably figured out how to get
Speaker 1: his fake AI stream and service back up so they
Speaker 1: can make some money to do so.
Speaker 3: I think this guy and AI haven't seen the last
Speaker 3: of each other.
Speaker 2: No, no, instead of smh, maybe it's SMP five hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's ahead of his that's right, he's just ahead
Speaker 3: of his time, he is. He was just so like
Speaker 3: a click too stupid.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I wish he would have done
Speaker 1: is like not use AI to make the songs. I
Speaker 1: think it's a complete waste and we don't need it.
Speaker 1: But and obviously he was covered on the show many times.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hop on some soapbox at the end here,
Speaker 1: but I wish that he would have just made terrible
Speaker 1: songs all day long.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what everybody else does, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it was just like the amount he
Speaker 4: needed to make in order to spread these streams across
Speaker 4: so many songs, and then finally he was just like,
Speaker 4: I can't make them fast.
Speaker 2: I could have kept remixing Want My Lipstick on a Dipstick.
Speaker 3: That's true, the most remixed song of all time.
Speaker 2: There's a jazz version. It's great. It's actually very classic.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm just floored.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday night. My mouth is right.
Speaker 3: I don't know what i'd be. Like, we put that
Speaker 3: up up on Spotify and we see what happens.
Speaker 2: I think we do, and we remix it, yeah, and
Speaker 2: we also wrap.
Speaker 3: It does feel like ai use is the real like
Speaker 3: shit thing he did.
Speaker 4: But like, I mean, I don't think you can. This
Speaker 4: is just a personal opinion. I generally don't think you
Speaker 4: can scam up.
Speaker 2: WHOA, Yeah, that is a huge prom to drop at
Speaker 2: the end of this show.
Speaker 4: I know, but I think it's like like you just
Speaker 4: said earlier, though, like think about everything the music industry
Speaker 4: has done to performers, Like, if you're scamming the music industry,
Speaker 4: is it really a scam if you're scamming someone more
Speaker 4: powerful than.
Speaker 3: You, So you do agree you can scam up, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't consider it.
Speaker 4: I mean, in the technical term of scam, maybe but like,
Speaker 4: in the spirit of scamming, I don't think it's a scam.
Speaker 1: Wow, you just threw me on a roller coaster. At
Speaker 1: first I thought we were going to have to fight,
Speaker 1: and Justin I was like, oh my god, I'm have
Speaker 1: the break his glasses.
Speaker 3: Kick them a little bit, be right too.
Speaker 1: But no, that's like the most ethereal way to say it.
Speaker 1: It's not a scam. I say, scam up. But you're right,
Speaker 1: it's not a scam. If you're scamming up, it's really
Speaker 1: only a scam if you're scamming down.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: The power dynamics have to be taken into account.
Speaker 2: Yes, I say that all the time, but I've never
Speaker 2: phrased it that way.
Speaker 1: And it really was a shocker.
Speaker 2: Sure, some people crash the cars. I'm sorry, y'all bill it.
Speaker 1: To Justin's insurance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a scam.
Speaker 1: So I was like, yes, it is, but oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here, Justin, and for
Speaker 1: offering so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. This is fun.
Speaker 1: And would you like to.
Speaker 2: Tell anyone where you can be found and where they
Speaker 2: can watch see read.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have a novel coming out called Get Lost
Speaker 4: that comes out July seventh. I think it is a
Speaker 4: fun beach read. One of the characters is a big scammer.
Speaker 1: Oh I love a beach tread. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fun kind of other daughter story.
Speaker 4: Father is a yeah, kind of a big scammy scammer,
Speaker 4: a little bit a piece of shit, and him and
Speaker 4: his daughter have to find the missing mother.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm definitely going to be beach reading.
Speaker 3: This, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited about it. And uh, if if you
Speaker 4: watch Abbot Elementary.
Speaker 2: If you watch, if you've heard of it, if you
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 3: Please watch Abbot Elementary and Harley Quinn on HBO Max.
Speaker 1: And that's all it as absolutely And y'all, when you're
Speaker 1: taking Justin's book, get Lost to the beach, bring scam
Speaker 1: goddess as well to that. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: a beach read. That might be more of a hospital
Speaker 1: waiting room read, you know those wait times alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my book you can read and you get.
Speaker 1: Lost with some sand on your toes with Justin and
Speaker 1: then when you get sunburned and you gotta go to urge,
Speaker 1: you goddess, and you'll love it. You'll love it the
Speaker 1: entire way, guys, you can watch Going Dutch streaming now
Speaker 1: on Hulu, new episodes on Thursdays, and you can watch
Speaker 1: the first season of Scam Goddess on Hulu as well.
Speaker 1: Get into that I might have something else in store
Speaker 1: for y'all soon, hekay, Congregation, I want you how to
Speaker 1: get out there and stay licking them noopsticks.
Speaker 2: Scam Goddess.
Speaker 1: Scam Gottess stars and it's hosted by me Lacy Mosley
Speaker 1: aka Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica sis Neros, and
Speaker 1: our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show
Speaker 1: is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay Skimming