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Speaker 2: Before we get into the show today, I want to

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Speaker 2: give you a quick heads up on our latest Working

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Speaker 2: for Wildlife Tour events that are coming up now. If

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Speaker 2: you are listening to this on the day this new

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Speaker 2: episode drops, which will be Thursday, July twenty seventh, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, I believe we've got a Working for Wildlife

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Speaker 2: Tour event coming up this very weekend on Saturday, July

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, up in the Panhandle of Idaho. So if

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Speaker 2: you are up there in the Northwest, if that's Montana, Idaho, Washington,

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Speaker 2: anywhere in that neck of the woods, please come on

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Speaker 2: out this Saturday from ten am to three pm. There's

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Speaker 2: going to be an after party at a local brewery.

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Speaker 2: But the main gist of this project is that we

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Speaker 2: will be getting a bunch of volunteers, together with our

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Speaker 2: partners at the National Deer Association and the United States

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Speaker 2: Forest Service to do some aspen habitat restoration work. We're

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Speaker 2: going to improve big game forage, increase forest health and resilience,

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Speaker 2: and do some good stuff for the critters out there

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Speaker 2: that we love to hunt. Come on out Saturday, July

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth out there in Idaho. The Details and registration

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Speaker 2: National Deer Association website.

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Speaker 3: If you just.

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Speaker 2: Google Working for Wildlife Tour NDA, that will show you

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Speaker 2: a link to the registration page. Now, if you're not

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Speaker 2: in the West, don't lose hope. We've got another one

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Speaker 2: that's a Saturday as well. We've got another Working for

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Speaker 2: Wildlife Tour event in partnership with backcountry hunters and anglers.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be some work we're gonna do at

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Speaker 2: Leech Memorial Conservation Area, which is near Ellsbury, Missouri. I

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Speaker 2: think this is kind of like North Northwest Dish outside

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Speaker 2: gonna be doing some wet prairie improvement. That's gonna include

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Speaker 2: some willow and cottonwood cutting, some seed harvesting, some invasive

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Speaker 2: species removal, and a few other cool things like that too.

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Speaker 2: So again doing good work for wildlife. We're going to

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Speaker 2: It should be noted first twenty five folks at each

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Speaker 2: one of these events is going to get one of

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Speaker 2: our very cool I Work for Wildlife t shirts. There's

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Speaker 2: all sorts of other fun stuff going on this one.

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Speaker 2: On August twelfth, there's actually going to be a kind

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Speaker 2: where you will be able to register for that event. Again,

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Speaker 2: that's August twelfth. The actual working aspect of that is

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Speaker 2: from eight to one and then the social get together,

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Speaker 2: be from one to five. So hope to see you

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Speaker 2: guys there again. Please sign up either in Idaho on

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Speaker 2: July twenty ninth or August twelfth in Elsbury, Missouri. Looking

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing you guys shaking some hands, taking some pictures,

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Speaker 1: Now to the show.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 4: go farther, stay longer, and now your host.

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Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This

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Speaker 2: week on the show, Tony and I are sharing our

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Speaker 2: own strategies for scouting whitetails as we review and wrap

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Speaker 2: up this month long scouting series. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 2: And yes, by now you can tell that your resident

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Speaker 2: guest host, Tony Peterson is not running the show this

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Speaker 2: week because I am Mark Kenyan, your host, and I'll

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Speaker 2: and I killed it as Gandalf the White And that's

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Speaker 2: Gandalf after he fought the bell rog. That's for all

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Speaker 2: trivia and knows to anyone. Tony actually got called in

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Speaker 2: that kung fu film that Spencer's producing, because, as some

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Speaker 2: of you have likely guessed by now, Tony is much

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Speaker 2: that you, Tony led for the last month. So thank

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Speaker 3: Listen to people just want to know Mark. You're a

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: Well I did it. I did discover a new thing

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Speaker 3: Lead man, just just talking about you know, some of

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Speaker 3: Because I think it's probably the most underrated aspect of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great point and one thing

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Speaker 1: And I think that was really pounded home.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure. And I think I think it's important

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Speaker 2: So this topic is super exciting for me right now.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard to beat the blank slate when you

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Speaker 1: So I haven't got to walk it yet. I've just

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Speaker 1: Or you know what I mean. Where you're sitting and

435
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: dissecting every little bit. I love that. So what about this?

436
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: Maybe this is useful, maybe this isn't, Tony, But what

437
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: do you think about taking the ideas that you and

438
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: that all of us learned from Andy Adam Clinton ted

439
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: over the last month, and what if we filter it

440
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 2: through this example, Like what if we walk through everything

441
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: that I have to do over the coming months, and

442
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: then you and I kind of think, Okay, well, what

443
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: would what would Andy? What could take from Andy when

444
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: it comes to the summer scouting, or what would you

445
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: do Tony when it comes to when I show up

446
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: there on day one and get to walk for the

447
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: first time, You think that might be a useful exercise

448
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: to kind of illustrate some of the stuff we're talking

449
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: about here.

450
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna love.

451
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: I have to say, though, I'm a little bit I'm

452
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm jealous, and it makes me a little bit sad

453
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: because very briefly here I thought I had permission on

454
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 3: a new place, and I can feel like that permission

455
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: is not going to actually happen. And so this high

456
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 3: that you're in of like e scouting and getting ready

457
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 3: to go see this property and do this stuff, I

458
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 3: was like, right on the cusp of that, and now

459
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: I feel depressed and sad because I think I think

460
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get it just by the way the

461
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: landowners kind of acting, and so it makes me a

462
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: little sad.

463
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, buddy.

464
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: That's the thing, those like these acts if you don't

465
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: own your own land, these private permission type things are

466
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 2: so fleeting, right, So it's so exciting when you get

467
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: permission on new piece, but then you also need to

468
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: like hold it lightly, do you know what I mean?

469
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: Because you know, like at any moment it could be gone.

470
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna try to appreciate this because

471
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: you know, who knows, it might be just this season. Heck,

472
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean by the time this errs, who knows, maybe

473
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: I won't even for this. For this brief moment in time,

474
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: I can look at a map and think to myself,

475
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: I will hopefully be able to hunt this spot in

476
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: a couple months, And that is a good feeling.

477
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, ride that high, buddy.

478
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm gonna milk it for all it's worth.

479
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: So, so you know, something you guys didn't talk about

480
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: a lot in the series with the crew was the

481
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: scouting side of things. There wasn't a ton of emphasis

482
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: on that, but I would you correct me if I'm

483
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: wrong here, But I think all of them would probably

484
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: look at that as a very very important first step

485
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: to being efficient in any of their efforts on the

486
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: ground after that.

487
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say?

488
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: Sure? I absolutely? And you know that was sort of

489
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: intentional because I didn't. I feel like we've covered est

490
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: scouting quite a bit, and I feel like East scouting

491
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 3: is so valuable in some ways, but it doesn't matter

492
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: unless you're willing to do the other part.

493
00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: You know.

494
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: It's kind of like kind of like trail cameras, Like

495
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: I feel like trail cameras can be so valuable, but

496
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: you have to do that other part otherwise it just

497
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: doesn't matter the same way.

498
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, it absolutely does. It's like

499
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: a way both of those tools can make your efforts

500
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: on the ground more efficient. I think this is the

501
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: biggest thing. Like they provide really good starting points. They

502
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: provide like really good anchors. You know, if we're looking

503
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: at a puzzle, like, okay, take that puzzle on analogy

504
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, you dump a new puzzle out onto

505
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: the table. Very exciting if you didn't have any flat

506
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: pieces or corner pieces, it would be a lot harder

507
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: to get that puzzle going. But since you've got those

508
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: corner pieces and those flat sides, you've got somewhere to start,

509
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, like, okay, all of these flat sides, all

510
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: these corners.

511
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I know where that goes.

512
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of how e scouting or trail

513
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: cameras you know, come into the mix. Is they give

514
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: you those starting points, those anchor points, where you know something.

515
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: I now know this, but you can't extrapolate that to

516
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: knowing everything. So I know a corner piece, that does

517
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: not mean I know what the entire center looks like.

518
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: So the same thing goes for when you look at

519
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at the aerial of that new property,

520
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: and I see a really cool looking, you know, cover,

521
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: thin strip of cover that winds this way through a

522
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: big open field that screams out, you know, pinch point,

523
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: screams out a cover funnel that man, there should be

524
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: deer cruising that in the rut from that thick cover

525
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: down in the southeast up to the thick cover up

526
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: to the northwest.

527
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: But if I.

528
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: Don't show up on the ground and fact check that

529
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta proof it, you gotta confirm. If

530
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: you don't there's there, you know it might work out,

531
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: but then you also might waste a lot of time.

532
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: So I think you know, the way I look at

533
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: East scouting is the same way I know you do.

534
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: Is you know, you're you're getting those starting points, You're

535
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: marking a bunch of places that you think this, this

536
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: should be high quality, this could be really good. And

537
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: then when you go out there on the ground, you're

538
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: not walking willy nilly blindly everywhere. You can go and

539
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: hit those spots you know efficiently and fact check and

540
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: use our limited time the best possible way for sure.

541
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: And it's you know, the est scouting thing. I mean,

542
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: part of the reason it's so cool is it does

543
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: give you I mean, it just does give you, like

544
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: a really good idea of what you're going to run into.

545
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: But there's nothing like seeing it in person. And so

546
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: you know, you pick out a spot and you do

547
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: this with a property like you're talking about, or you

548
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: go travel somewhere to hunt and you pick out a

549
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: spot and you walk in there and sometimes it is

550
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: as good as you expect, and that's such a rush. Yeah,

551
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: and sometimes you walk in and you're like, this is

552
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: definitely not it. But it's like a ET scouting and

553
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: then your first like ground truthing trip in there, it's

554
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: like being a gambling addict or something. You're like, I'm

555
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: just like waiting for that high of the of both

556
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: things coming together where what I believed it to be

557
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: and then seeing it actually be that or something even more.

558
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it's pounded more with your tracks or sign or something.

559
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: So there's like there's like a neat motivation to it.

560
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: Once you put in enough time ET scouting, it just

561
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: makes the whole process of ground trew thing that much

562
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: more fun.

563
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell me this really quickly. You know, when

564
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: what I'm doing on the east scouting side is I'm

565
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: doing those two things I mentioned. I'm looking at the

566
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: big picture, like trying to understand where this property fits

567
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: into the larger landscape. And then I'm also zooming in

568
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: and thinking very you know close or what you know.

569
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking micro here and thinking to myself, Okay, this

570
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: block of timber looks like it connects in here and

571
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: looks like there might be betting here. It looks like

572
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: there's a hill here, YadA, yad ydah.

573
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: But so I do.

574
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time picking this apart, and

575
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: then I'm marking all my different areas of interest. I'm

576
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: marking like, man, this looks like a good pinch point,

577
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: put it away point, and I'll label it like good

578
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: pitch point question mark. And then I'll find a spot

579
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: that think, man, I bet you this would be a

580
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: great stand site because of this and this, and so

581
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: I'll put you know, standsite question mark, and I'll have

582
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: all of these question marks scattered all over the property

583
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: before I ever step foot. So I try to find,

584
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: like where I think good betting could be. I try

585
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: to mark where I think, you know, good travel quarters

586
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: could be. I will mark where I think there might

587
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: be a crete cross, all of these different things so

588
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: that when I show up that first day, what I'm

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: gonna do is, you know, perfect world, this would be

590
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: in the you know, February March April timeframe, but my

591
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: case is going to be dead of the summer, and

592
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out there on day one and that's

593
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: going to be cover as much of the place as

594
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: I can and really make sure I hit those priority

595
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: points that I'm marked, and the whole time I walk

596
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: a new property, I have my phone out and I'm

597
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: matching up where I am on the map to what

598
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: it looks like on the ground so that I can

599
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: as i'm walking, like, Okay, here i am, and this

600
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: is that little block with the with the point and

601
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: that little ditch that runs through it. And now I'm

602
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: seeing with my own eyes what it actually looks like.

603
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the map and I'm saying, Okay,

604
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: this is what the map looks like. This is what

605
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: the ground looks like, so that by the end of

606
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: that day, and I'm doing this kind of every other

607
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: day i'm out there scouting, I'm constantly bouncing back and

608
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: forth between those two things, so that eventually, by season

609
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: or next season or whenever it is, I have like

610
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: a two layer map in my mind where I know, like,

611
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: when I'm standing here, this is where I am in

612
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: the map in my mind, and this is what it

613
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: looks like on the ground.

614
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Do you do something similar?

615
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man? I Not only that, but I've also started

616
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: using the what is it the track feature? What is

617
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: the one that, yeah, dude, or the tracks feature? I've

618
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: been using that like crazy. When I go in and

619
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: I you know, if I'm looking at a spot and

620
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: I get in there and I'm like, yep, I'm definitely

621
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: gonna hunt this, I will walk out the way that

622
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: I think I need to access it. I'll run that

623
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: track feature, and I'll actually time how long it takes

624
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: me to go out now, and I'll make a note

625
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: of that so when I show up there. I did

626
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: this for one week in November that we're going to

627
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: drop this fall and the stand that I ended up

628
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: having a pretty good hunt out of and Wisconsin, even

629
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: though it was like a I mean maybe a couple

630
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: hundred yards and probably two thirds of that was through

631
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: an open field, but I didn't want to expose ourselves

632
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: getting in there because it was going to be tight,

633
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: and I wanted to take a very specific route through

634
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: the woods to get to the stand, so I didn't

635
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: lay down any scent where the deer probably were going

636
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: to come from. And so even even though I could

637
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: have walked there in the dark, I mean without hardly

638
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: thinking about it, using that feature was just so nice

639
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: to be like, you are exactly on the line you

640
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: want to, you know, the line that I created in

641
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: the daylight, And I've started doing that on when I'm

642
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: looking at new properties and new places, and it gives

643
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: me so much more confidence to go back in there

644
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: and actually hunt just the way I want to.

645
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that in like some nasty hell holes

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: where like if you don't cross this draw in this

647
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: one spot, like you're gonna be cliffed out or something crazy.

648
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: But I've never paid attention to timing it. And that

649
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: timing thing actually is kind of a nice thing to

650
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: know as far as like when you're trying to plan,

651
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: all right, how really do I need to get up?

652
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: What time do I need to be at the trailhead

653
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: or what time do I need to be parked at

654
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: the side of the road, and know, okay, it's going

655
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: to take me exactly twenty three minutes at you know,

656
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: expected walking speed during the season to get to my stand.

657
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: That would be a smart thing to time out, at

658
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: least for someone that's as type A as me who

659
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: likes to know exactly what time it gets somewhere.

660
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: You probably don't need to do it because you get

661
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: out there, what four or five hours before first light?

662
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: Not quite, but I do get out there pretty early.

663
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: But I think that stuff part of it comes from

664
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: just like you know, think about how often you go

665
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: out and you hang a set and you're like, man,

666
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm coming back here tomorrow morning. The deer we're definitely here,

667
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: and you're like, it's an easy walk. I go across

668
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: the wetland here and I just look for this big

669
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: oak tree. And then you go out there in the

670
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: dark and you're like, ah, son of a bitch, Like

671
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: everything's different. And even if you're off by like ten feet,

672
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: you might make twenty times as much noise as you'd

673
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: make if you just stayed on the right course. And

674
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: I know that it probably doesn't sound that important to

675
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people, but if you do a lot

676
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: of mobile hunting and you hunt mornings a lot, man,

677
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: that trick is like it's just so worth getting in

678
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: the habit. Let me say that.

679
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: So so after that first back to my example here,

681
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: after that first walk through, where I'm going to go

682
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: through and cover as much as I can with the

683
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: time I have while trying to map my mind to

684
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: like what I see on the ground to what I

685
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: see in the map. I'm gonna be that first day

686
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: or if it's a weekend or whatever, the amount of

687
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: time I have is I'm going to try to get

688
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: like that big picture over for you of like here's everything,

689
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: and here's I confirmed all the things I thought I

690
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: knew and I crossed off the things that didn't end

691
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: up being what they really were. But probably in that

692
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: first day or first weekend, assuming I have time. In

693
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: this case I do have time, I'm not going to

694
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: be trying to scout for like the kill spot that

695
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to collect. I'm trying to collect, collect, collect, click, collect,

696
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: and then I will come back at a later date

697
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: and I will do like my fine tune scouting, which

698
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: will be like I'm gonna take that time after my

699
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: big picture scout, and I'm gonna think a lot, and

700
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at the map again a lot and

701
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: try to think through all the things I learned, and

702
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: again kind of think, Okay, big picture, here's what I

703
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: now know, and micro level here's what I now know,

704
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: and really start fine tuning. Okay, given all that, where

705
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: do I think the best locations will be for the

706
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: early season? Where do I think those best locations will

707
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: likely be for middle of October? And kind of just

708
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: think through my season and maybe I'll also learn like man,

709
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: this just isn't gonna be an early season spot, or

710
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna be an October spot, this is maybe

711
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: it's only gonna be a peak rut, or maybe it's

712
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, maybe it's gonna be a place that Jesus,

713
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: it's probably not gonna be that great until gun season

714
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: pushes all the deer out of everywhere else.

715
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: And funnels them all into here. Whatever it is.

716
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: I will then try to think through, Okay, what are

717
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: those places that I need to have prepped to start

718
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: hunting season as like those starting points, And then I'll

719
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: go back out prior to the season, still in the summer,

720
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: and I'm going to try to scout for a handful

721
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: of starting point stands, So knowing that I'm going to

722
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: learn and scout a lot in season, but I want

723
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: to have some places prepped ahead of time so that

724
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: I've got something.

725
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: To start with to observe and adjust from.

726
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: So then I'm going to go out there and I'll

727
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: maybe i'll mark let's just hypothetically say that I find

728
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: like a sweet little bedding area coming off of a

729
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: hilltop that drops down to this ag field, and I

730
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: can see old a bunch of old rubs, from last season,

731
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: and there's a ditch crossing that drops right into this

732
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: little skinny finger of what's now standing corn, and I'll think, man,

733
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big buck betted

734
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: off of that point. And I wouldn't be surprised if

735
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: he drops down off of this point and comes down

736
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: and kind of mills around in this transition area after

737
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: he crosses that ditch here, that might not be a

738
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: bad place to hunt him in October. So let's just

739
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: hypothetically say I find a place like that after my

740
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: big picture scouting in my east scouting. Now I'm going

741
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: to come back in in August and try to the

742
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: spot within that spot. So I'm gonna go in there

743
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna do some fine tune scouting. I'm

744
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: gonna walk that area thoroughly, really think they're okay? Is this?

745
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: Is this the exact spot on the ditch that I

746
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: think is most likely for deer to cross, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

747
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: And that would be what I would play out a

748
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: handful of times across this property.

749
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: And I would want all of this done, you know, in.

750
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: As few trips as possible, So I would probably It'll

751
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: probably be like one big picture scouting day like I

752
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: talked about, and then it will probably be one you know,

753
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: fine tuning scouting day like I'm discussing, in which I

754
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: will pick these spots and prep a few spots, and

755
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: then I'll probably hand cameras and that will probably be

756
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: what I will start with until we get to the

757
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: next phase of my scouting. Does any of that bring

758
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: any questions to mind or additional thoughts as far as

759
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, a last minute kind of scouting and prepping

760
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: situation that I'm in here.

761
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: One thing that you said right at the beginning of

762
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: that that makes me question a lot of what you

763
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: do is really you said that you're going to go

764
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 3: in and not look for kill spots right away.

765
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: Well well no, but sorry.

766
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not looking for them, but it's

767
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to be in like big picture. I'm

768
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: trying to be a vacuum of everything right now. Of course,

769
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: like I will be paying attention to spots that stand out.

770
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: If there'll be a spot, I'm sure like I will

771
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: see things. Man, this is a kill spot, but I'm

772
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: not going to spend six hours in that one spot.

773
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: Fine, tuning it. I will be like, Okay, man, this

774
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: looks awesome. I'm gonna grid it a little bit more,

775
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: and then okay, keep moving.

776
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Got to move to the next place because I'm planning

777
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: on doing the deep dive the next time I come.

778
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

779
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. For a little while there, I was like, Oh,

780
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: I think I needed to explain to Mark what deer

781
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: scouting is for, because I was like, I think he's confused.

782
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not going to look for a good spot

783
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: to kill a big buck yet.

784
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: No, it's just like, wow, the level of time I'm

785
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: going to spend a certain parts of this process.

786
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

787
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? You do you know that that field is planted

788
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: in corn.

789
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: I do know that, Yes, okay, yes, so I do

790
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: know that. What I don't know is like, there looks

791
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: like there might be some that's in CRP or or

792
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: just too wet for crops, So I don't know how

793
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: much is planted and how much is kind of set aside.

794
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: Now you're speaking my language.

795
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I'm hoping.

796
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm hoping there are some of that stuff because it

797
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: looks like in the maps that some of it is

798
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: like that, and you. But you can also see, like

799
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: when you go to different maps or different apps, they've

800
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: got different date ranges for when the aerial photography was taken.

801
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: I can see sometimes where it looks like it was

802
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: planted and sometimes when it was not planted. So I

803
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: just don't know what it is this year so interesting.

804
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: That is interesting.

805
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm still jealous. I'm actually a little more jealous.

806
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I'm sorry.

807
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: Man.

808
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: You were talking a decent bit with Ted there at

809
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: the end about his trail camera strategy, and I think

810
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: you talked you, oh gosh, Clint a little bit about

811
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: his trail cam strategy, especially like summer to fall and

812
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff when it comes to scouting. You know,

813
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I thought that something that Ted said really resonated with me,

814
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: or an example he shared at least, and that being

815
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, how he ended up there was a property.

816
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: So hopefully folks heard this last week, but if not,

817
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: I'll give you the very quick cliff notes him.

818
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: Ted and I don't think.

819
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: Aaron or someone were out hunting a new property and

820
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: they'd put a trail camera out on this little fence

821
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: line I think, or a trail that they thought would

822
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: be good and they let it run through late summer

823
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: into like just before opening day, and they had a

824
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: group of bucks that was on there like over and

825
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: over and over, really well patterned. And then when they

826
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: checked the camera, like just prior to opening day, they

827
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: saw it they were here, here, here, here, And then

828
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: the last few days of the last week or something,

829
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: they totally disappeared. And what Ted and Aaron did was,

830
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: rather than saying, oh, the bucks are completely gone, or

831
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: just thinking oh man, and you know it's all blown

832
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: up and move off to some other property, they asked why,

833
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: Like they thought, okay, well, why aren't the bucks here

834
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: and where must they be now? And they use that

835
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: again like kind of like the puzzle piece thing. You know,

836
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: if this piece does not fit into a corner, it

837
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: must fit somewhere else. And so in this case, they thought, well,

838
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: if the bucks are not on trail camera here anymore,

839
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: they must be somewhere different, and so let's think about

840
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: where else they could have pivoted to and what additional

841
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: information do we need. So they use a camera and

842
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: not to say, oh, the buck was here yesterday, I'm

843
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: gonna kill him here and kill them there. They instead

844
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: said the bucks used to be here now we know

845
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: they are not here. That will force us to move

846
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: away from what we thought was good and scout this

847
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: new area, which led them to this ridge, tore up

848
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: with sign and that confirmed, oh this is where they are.

849
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: They hunted there, they killed the deer. Did that kind

850
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: of like did that make you smile the way it

851
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: made me smile?

852
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? But dude, that story that is just And I

853
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: might love it because it's kind of concert confirmation bias

854
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: for me because I'm really getting into that kind of

855
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: mindset about almost all of my hunting where instead of

856
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: going to find the easy one, I'm trying to find

857
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: a concentration of animals and just work them, you know,

858
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: whether it's elk or turkeys or white tails or whatever.

859
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: And that was such a prime example that he told

860
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: of just having them dial, losing them and finding them

861
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: again and killing one. And the beauty of it is

862
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: they didn't fill in the blanks, like they didn't go, well,

863
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: they're nocturnal or somebody must have bumped them out. They

864
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: had so much faith in their scouting. They said something

865
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: changed and we're just going to figure it out, and

866
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: they did. And I think that lesson is like way

867
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: poignant and I'll tell you what I've been. I've been

868
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: over in northern Wisconsin quite a bit recently, scouting and

869
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: catching a future out and doing you know, looking for

870
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: some bears with the girls or whatever. But we've been

871
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: we've been scouting quite a bit over there. And the

872
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: woods over there right now are almost like unwalkable. The

873
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: way the winter happened last year with super heavy wet snow,

874
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: It's like so many trees or tree tops fell down,

875
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: and then so many of the right aged you know,

876
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: kind of like poplar type trees are bent like completely

877
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 3: over to the ground, and so you know, like i'll

878
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: give you an example to frame this up. We went

879
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: to fish the stretch of this Brook trout stream. I

880
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: fished dozens of times, just a nice little stretch. It's

881
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: got nice rock walls. It's like a nice, picturesque, beautiful

882
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: little brook trout stream. We walked in there and started fishing,

883
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: and for most of it you couldn't hit the water

884
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: because it was there was so much so many trees

885
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: over the water now, it was like an underground tunnel.

886
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: And I know it sounds like I'm exaggerating, it was

887
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: a nightmare. And then I went into other spots that

888
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: I hunt over there just to look around, and it's

889
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: like I'm hunting a different kind of property. And so

890
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: I know from years and years of hunting there and

891
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: just seeing the general population, I'm like, Okay, those deer

892
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: are still here. I got to work them differently than

893
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: I'm used to. So if I was living off of,

894
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: you know, ten years of hunting experience there, it's not

895
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: the same. Now it's going to be a totally different hunt.

896
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, when you think about, okay, mother nature could

897
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: hand you that and basically, like you said earlier, kind

898
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: of give you a blank slate. It's not a new property,

899
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: but it's it damn well, might it might as well be,

900
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Or you might get a

901
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: situation where those bucks just decide that they're going to

902
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 3: go eat acorns one ridge over, and your job, whether

903
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 3: you're in either spot, figure it out. You know they're there.

904
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: You've been doing some of the foundational work to get

905
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: yourself in a good spot. When mother nature throws you

906
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: a little curveball like that, it's like, Okay, what do

907
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: we do? How do we figure this out? Instead of

908
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: just making up a reason or just saying, well, I'm

909
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: gonna come back when it's the rud or the pre

910
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: rud or whatever. I'm like, no, you got to go

911
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: now and work through that stuff. That's that's like the

912
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: beauty of deer hunting. That's why white tails are so fun.

913
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, well, it's a question, how would

914
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: you in a situation like that then, like where does

915
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: your when you're set back to square one to a degree,

916
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: how if it all, will cameras be involved in your

917
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: re scouting of it, knowing that you know, we're trying

918
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: to avoid the temptation to be overly dependent on them,

919
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: which I think is you know, I'm gonna go on

920
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: a brief tangent here, So remember that question, Tony. But

921
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: I feel like if you listen, especially the last year

922
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: or two years, as sell camera have become ubiquitous, like

923
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: just everyone has him now You've just you hear now

924
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: so so so so so many of the stories you

925
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: hear are well, I waited until he showed up on

926
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: my cell cam. He came in that day, and then

927
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: I went after him a hunted him. And you know,

928
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: either you saw him or he didn't, or he killed

929
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: him or you didn't. But there's a lot of people

930
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: doing that now, and I think, without a doubt, like

931
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: these cameras are great tools, but it's so important to

932
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: remember that they are this tiny little snapshot of a much, much, much,

933
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: much much big, bigger picture. So again the puzzle analogy,

934
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: a cell camera gives you one single piece of the

935
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: thousand piece puzzle. If your entire hunting strategy is based

936
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: on whether or not that single puzzle or single piece

937
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: in the thousand piece puzzle is flashing on that given

938
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 2: day and saying hey, I'm here, you are missing so

939
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: so so much. And I think there's a lot of

940
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: people that are being tempted to believe that that's all

941
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: you need to know is put a sweet little cell

942
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: camera out in a cool little spot and wait till

943
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: it gives you that ping. And I think, while sometimes

944
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: I know there are stories of that being successful, but

945
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: if that is your thing going into the season, you

946
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: are going to be hitting a hard wall many, many,

947
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: many times and missing a lot.

948
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: Yep. I mean, sure, you know, I look at them.

949
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: I'm actually a little more excited for trail cameras this

950
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: year than I usually am, at least over there, because

951
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: I don't know how those deer are getting through that stuff,

952
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: but I know they are. And so even even just

953
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 3: what I saw when we were when we were trout

954
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: fishing that spot before we turned around and went to

955
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: a different spot, the difference between the trees that were

956
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: big enough to weather that winter and not become this

957
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 3: tangled jungle is tangible. And so you used to have,

958
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, thousands of acres of that it's

959
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: big woods, and now you have these these areas that

960
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: are just so gnarly. They'll function as a betting area,

961
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: maybe some browse or whatever, but those deer are probably

962
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: going to be traveling through a certain type of woods

963
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: more and at least I suspect that. So I'm going

964
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: to run some cameras and find out and if I

965
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: get you know, between now and whenever I get a

966
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: chance to go over there and hunt, if I get

967
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: some confirmation of that. It's not necessarily like, oh, you know,

968
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: I've gotten pictures of this buck going through here once

969
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: a week for six weeks, I'm going to go hunt him.

970
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: It's just a clue into how they're using that terrain,

971
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: and I think that's just important. But it's again, it's

972
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: just this complimentary piece of the bigger puzzle.

973
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent agree. And I think that,

974
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, hunting this new property, it's gonna be the

975
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: same thing for me. I'm going to go out there

976
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: in the summer and put up some cameras, but it's

977
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: going to be simply to you know, I'm gonna place cameras.

978
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: This will probably August when I'm doing this. I'm going

979
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: to be putting up cameras in places, you know, to

980
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: get me in season information. But I'm not going to

981
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: be getting a picture in August and then thinking, oh man,

982
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: this bucks showed up five days in a row in

983
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: this spot, and then think I'm gonna go there and

984
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: kill them on October fifth or whatever. I'm gonna go

985
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: in there simply trying to confirm, like what's around, What

986
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: are some general ideas I can get about, maybe a

987
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: trend or maybe just how dear use certain areas. But

988
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to be depending on that as just like

989
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: a very small piece of the larger picture that then

990
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 2: I'll have to figure out based on what I learned

991
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: in those first couple of days of summer scouting, but

992
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: then really learning a lot on the go, you know,

993
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: hunting that's going to be scouting my way into whatever

994
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm hunting.

995
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: On every given day.

996
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: It's going to be basically every hunt will be a

997
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: scouting session and probably doing some you know, begin a

998
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: little exterior, observe, adjust, observe, adjust, and slowly learn my

999
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: way as I go scouting with a bow in my hand,

1000
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 2: and then every once in a while getting those camera

1001
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: pictures that will then give me a little bit of

1002
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: color that I think camera if you look at those

1003
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: pictures as like adding color to you know, it's like

1004
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: you're reading a book and then there's a color photo

1005
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: in there. It's pretty nice, but it doesn't tell you

1006
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: the whole story. You gotta read what's on the pages there.

1007
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: And so I will appreciate the color photography throughout the

1008
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: book to illustrate things a little bit more, to add

1009
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: a little bit more flavor to what I'm you know

1010
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: how I'm interpreting things. But give me the text and

1011
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to be getting that, you know, every day

1012
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: when I'm out there. It's going to be getting on

1013
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: the road and glassing with the spotting scope as many

1014
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: evenings as I can. If there's any kind of opening

1015
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: I can see, or if there's like a neighboring field

1016
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: where I can see down to a CRP patch, or

1017
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: if I can, you know, if there's a bean field

1018
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: in August, I'll be checking that out, just to know,

1019
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: like what's out here, what's the deer density at this

1020
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: point of the year, what does the age structure look

1021
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: like at this time of the year. Knowing that that,

1022
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, some of that's going to change, but some

1023
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: of that will give you a big picture idea of like, Okay,

1024
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: this area has a ton of and very few older

1025
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: bucks that might you know, sort of translate at least

1026
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: gives me a starting point of how to think about

1027
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: things as I get into the season. So long distance observation,

1028
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: it's going to be scouting on foot, it's going to

1029
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: be observing from the stand. It's going to be you know,

1030
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: as much as I possibly can make it be, you know,

1031
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: similar to the Andy May model or the Jesse Coots model,

1032
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: or the Justin Wright model, the ted it's the scout

1033
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: more hunt less, hunt smarter, not you know, beat him

1034
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: over the head with time on stand.

1035
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: Can I say something about that too, because when you

1036
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: were talking about that, it reminded me of I don't

1037
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: I actually don't remember if Andy, Andy and I had

1038
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: this conversation on the podcast or we had it in

1039
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: the many many hours we spent in my boat trying

1040
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: to catch some bass. But Andy talks about woodsmanship all

1041
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: the time, and you and I have talked about this

1042
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: a lot, and that's like a I don't know, it's

1043
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: sort of a blanket term that really doesn't mean that

1044
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: much to a lot of people, because you know, when

1045
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 3: we talk about you know, Okay, I'm in a long

1046
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: distance glass, I'm gonna run cameras and I'm gonna get

1047
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: in there and I'm gonna ground truth this stuff, it

1048
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: sounds like a complete plan to figure out what the

1049
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: deer do, right, And so it's like, is that woodsmanship

1050
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: kinda But one of the things when you think about

1051
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: the example with Ted, you know, those guys had that

1052
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: Bachelor group dialed in. It disappeared, but they knew where

1053
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: there were some oak trees that those deer might have

1054
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: moved to. That's so important And I know it seems dumb,

1055
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: but they didn't panic when they lost those deer. They

1056
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: just said, what's the likely culprit for pulling these deer away?

1057
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: And the more time that you spent in the woods, like.

1058
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: We had this experience just just recently when we were

1059
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: over there in Wisconsin. We were actually driving back from

1060
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: this spot we were fishing, and it's I don't hunt

1061
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: this place. This is a private place, but it's really

1062
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: close to this huge chunk of public land that I

1063
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: do hunt. And we're just driving by and I saw

1064
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: this dough off the road, so we pulled over to

1065
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 3: look at her, and I was shooting a few photos

1066
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: of her, and she was just munching away on this bush.

1067
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: And as I zoomed in with my camera, I'm like, Oh,

1068
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 3: she's eating raspberries. And I've never seen like in my life,

1069
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: I've never watched a deer walk up to ripe raspberries

1070
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: and just eat the crap out of them. And I

1071
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: was like, I actually wrote about this for Foundations. It's

1072
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: coming up here. I'm like, just spending more time out

1073
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: there exposes you to things like that. We actually saw

1074
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: three tom turkeys eating on the same raspberry bush, which

1075
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me. But when you think about it,

1076
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: you know, I've been hunting white till since I was twelve.

1077
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: If you just said, hey, Tony, do you think deer

1078
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: eat raspberries? I'd be like, I don't know, probably it

1079
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: seems like something they would do, but I'd never actually

1080
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: observed it. And then now I'm thinking I've had times,

1081
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: especially in states where the opener is in like September,

1082
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: where I'll be walking down the trail over there and

1083
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: I'll see raspberries or blackberries or some kind of berry

1084
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: and just assume that it was bears eating them. You know,

1085
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: sometimes you can tell it was bears or whatever. But

1086
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've never considered a berry as any kind

1087
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: of white tail draw in my life, and it maybe

1088
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: really doesn't play into the season that much, but for

1089
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: scouting it might. And it was just one of those

1090
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: little moments where I was like, I just have so

1091
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: much left to learn, Like there's so much that I

1092
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: don't know about their life. And I think that when

1093
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: you look at scouting the way we've been talking about it,

1094
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: you learn those things like, yes, deer on this property

1095
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: use this ridge to go from point A to B,

1096
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: or deer on this property like to bed in this

1097
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: CRP because it's a badass spot to bed. But there's

1098
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: so much more out there to learn, and the more

1099
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: time you spend deserving in person and walking through and

1100
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: running those cameras, the more you just figure out like

1101
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: what their daily lives are like. And I think that's

1102
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 3: so important.

1103
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, this is gonna be for people that

1104
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: have listened to the podcast for a long time. They're

1105
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: going to roll their eyes because they've heard both of

1106
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: us say this like two hundred times.

1107
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: But it's just so true. And it's the fact that.

1108
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: This this I think this woodsmanship ability. I think one

1109
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: way to think about it is kind of like getting

1110
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: a new pair of glasses, is the way at least

1111
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: it's been for me. So like when I first started,

1112
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: like a deer hunter, I've deer heard sounds, little kid,

1113
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: but I you know, followed kind of a family program

1114
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: that was like very very very basic, and for you know,

1115
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: a long time, that's all I ever knew.

1116
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: And so I was like walking through the woods wearing like.

1117
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: The blurriest, fuzziest, creuddiest cheap gas station glasses you could

1118
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: ever get. I could see the basic things, like I

1119
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 2: knew enough basics to know this is a deer trail.

1120
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: I could see a deer trail. I knew what a

1121
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: rub was. I knew a rub was rub equals good

1122
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: and so I could see a couple things like that,

1123
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: but I just I didn't have enough context and experience,

1124
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: having seen a bunch of different places, having seen a

1125
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: bunch of deer, having been able to confirm what deer

1126
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: do in real life, I didn't have enough to actually

1127
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: even consume, like all this stuff was around me, but

1128
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't even really see it because I was just

1129
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: focused on the only thing I could focus on, where

1130
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: the rubs and the trails and these basic things. And

1131
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: then you know, I learned a little bit more and

1132
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: I started getting a lot more serious about it. And

1133
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: then all of a suddenly I got a little bit

1134
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: better prescription glasses. And then when I was out there

1135
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: in the woods, like all of a suddenly, I was noticing, oh,

1136
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: that's an oak tree, and that means there could be

1137
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: some good food here. And then I could start to know.

1138
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: I say, okay, these are you know, fresher tracks, so

1139
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: that means this was more recent. Signed that's a good thing.

1140
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: And then you know, let's fast forward to now, you know,

1141
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: fifteen years since then, now I've got I feel like

1142
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: super high definition, very clean your glasses, where all of

1143
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: a sudden, the world is a totally different world now

1144
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 2: that I'm looking at when I walk in the woods,

1145
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm seeing all the little details. I understand all these

1146
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: little details. But if someone's listening today, and if they

1147
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: are where I was fifteen years ago, you just there's

1148
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: so much out there you won't even be able to

1149
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: pick it up without the time out there and without

1150
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: diversity of experience. This is the cliche thing, which is

1151
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: that you and I Tony always talk about the value

1152
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: of going to new places and like just exposing yourself

1153
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: to new places where you can see different deer habitat,

1154
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: different deer behavior, different everything. The more you do that,

1155
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: I think, the more the acuity and the clarity of

1156
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: your your woodsmanship glasses improves to the point where you

1157
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: can finally actually, you know, start picking up on all

1158
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: these little fine tuned things that when you scout do

1159
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 2: make a big difference. But fifteen years ago, I could

1160
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: have listened to all these very same things, and I

1161
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: just would have walked through the woods and like I'd

1162
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: be overwhelmed with just the basics. You would never be

1163
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: able to get to the point where you could recognize

1164
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: the little things that matter, because you're still trying to

1165
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: figure out the big picture things that matter. So this

1166
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: is a long witted way of saying yes to what

1167
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: you're saying, Tony, which is, spend lots and lots and

1168
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: lots of time out there just consuming as much of

1169
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: the real world stuff as possible, and diversify as much

1170
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: as possible. So go to new properties, scout new areas,

1171
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: go to new regions, YadA, YadA, YadA, Because all of

1172
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: that is the only way that I know of to

1173
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: actually be able to scout and understand what you're seeing

1174
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: in any kind of real actionable way, which is I think,

1175
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: how you develop this woodsmanship.

1176
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and would I would take it even a step

1177
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: further and say, you have to be open to all

1178
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: kinds like learning about all kinds of stuff. And so

1179
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: when I talk about like that raspberry example, I probably

1180
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: will never kill a deer on a raspberry pattern, like

1181
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 3: I just probably never gonna have I don't think it

1182
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 3: was interesting, But it also put me in a spot

1183
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: where I found some apple trees that were absolutely loaded

1184
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: with half grown apples, and that might come into play

1185
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: at some point. But it's also just a reminder to me,

1186
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 3: you know, Like I pointed this out to my little

1187
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: girls when we were we were in a spot in

1188
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: the woods. We just hit this spot where there were

1189
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: there was so much browse, like you could see that

1190
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: there's just tops were nipped off all over. And the

1191
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: more that you find stuff like that, the more it

1192
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: just like picture curiosity a little bit and you're like,

1193
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: what is what is this plant? And why are they

1194
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: eating it? And I think that feeds everything. Like you

1195
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: you talked about a you know, like oh, a ditch

1196
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: crossing or something earlier in this conversation. You know, one

1197
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 3: of the things I think about with stuff like that

1198
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: is we think about scouting and you go out and

1199
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm gonna walk this river and I'm gonna

1200
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: find a good crossing and i'm gonna set up a

1201
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: stand on there. I'm gonna kill one or I'm going

1202
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: to walk that ditch and I'm going to find where

1203
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: they cross it. Now, how often do you do that?

1204
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: Or how often have you done that? Set up? And

1205
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: You're like, I am on a pounded crossing. They are

1206
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: all going to come through here, and what happens is

1207
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: a spike in you know, three dos walk through there

1208
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: and then the two big ones cross at a secondary crossing.

1209
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: You know, sixty yards downwin and bust you Yeah, and

1210
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: you could have walked to that. You could have just said,

1211
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: you know, this spot looks real good, but just in case,

1212
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to check the rest of it out. And

1213
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: maybe you walk, you know, fifty sixty yards down there

1214
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: and you find another trail that has way bigger tracks

1215
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: in it, and you go, Okay, here's way more information.

1216
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: And then instead of just thinking the job is good

1217
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: enough because you've found what you think you're supposed to find.

1218
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's even more relevant, but also tricky.

1219
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: If this is an in season scouting situation, you know,

1220
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: where you are hunting a new place and you're learning

1221
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: it as you go, and then you're scouting along, you know,

1222
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: and then you find the spot and you're like, man,

1223
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: this looks pretty good. So there's the temptation of Okay,

1224
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: this looks great. If I go any further, you might

1225
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: blow it up. But at the same time, am I

1226
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: settling if I go further and then it's not as

1227
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: good that I did. I just then leave my scent everywhere,

1228
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: and then I got to go back to where I

1229
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: was and settle there. I mean, all of that is

1230
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: like the constant constant mental gymnastics. We have to navigate

1231
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: while trying to figure this out when you're actually trying

1232
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: to kill something at the same time too.

1233
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I mean that kind of leads back

1234
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: to you know, Ted's story about killing that buck, the

1235
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: way they did, the way that they moved in. I

1236
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: guess it's not the one that you're talking about. He

1237
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: talked about one that was in a using a little

1238
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: wooded draw on a small walk in property and how

1239
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: they kind of, you know, work their way in until

1240
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: they observe, Like man, every buck that comes through seems

1241
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: to go right through the middle of this little shoot

1242
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: of timber. And I think about that stuff so much because,

1243
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 3: you know, he kind of just glossed it over because

1244
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: that's what those guys do, is they just observe, move, observe, move,

1245
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 3: and kill. But it's so important. And there's like two

1246
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: lessons there, like you don't you know, like you said

1247
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: in in season scouting trip, like yeah, you want to

1248
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: be careful. You don't want to stomp all over there,

1249
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: so you might you might not get that crossing right,

1250
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 3: like you might just say I'm not pushing this any

1251
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: further and I'm gonna sit here and who knows right?

1252
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: But which which is a safe way to do it?

1253
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: And sometimes you're just gonna make mistakes and who cares?

1254
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: But it's it's like a good mindset to get into.

1255
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: But the other part of it that with like Ted's example,

1256
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: was they had something that was very limited that the

1257
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: deer wanted to use, which was cover. And I keep

1258
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 3: thinking about this with my scouting where like you know,

1259
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: he's talking walking stuff in Iowa, So trees are king right,

1260
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: Like they got food everywhere, They've got water in a

1261
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 3: lot of spots. What they don't have in many areas

1262
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: Iowa's cover. So that's real important to manage your presence there.

1263
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: You focus on that rarity, you move in, you're real careful,

1264
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 3: you handle it with kid gloves. Now you think about

1265
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: you know, like where I've been scouting in northern Wisconsin,

1266
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: there's no shortage of cover. It's freaking everywhere. So that's

1267
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: not rare. It doesn't matter. So what is rare not water,

1268
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: So it's like some certain kinds of food and some

1269
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: elevation and you just look at it and go, Okay,

1270
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: Now when I'm scouting, yeah, I want to be better

1271
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: at woodsmanship. I want to find this spot in this

1272
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: crossing and whatever, but also just thinking like what what

1273
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: is a limited factor here that deer really gonna like,

1274
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: you know, and you and I have both hunted places

1275
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: where that might be water and that dumbs the things

1276
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 3: down a lot. But also, you know, Andy talked about this,

1277
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: Clint talked about this, Adam talked about this, like how

1278
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: does it play into each part of the season, you know,

1279
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: like because you're not only hunting the rut, or most

1280
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: of us aren't. So if something's rare, you know, if

1281
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm out there in July or August and I'm like,

1282
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 3: this thing's real rare, maybe I can use it, you know,

1283
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: like timber cover is not going to change. Water might

1284
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: not change it. Might food will change a lot, But

1285
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: what is it going to mean for me if I

1286
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 3: have an October one opener versus you know, being out

1287
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 3: there on Halloween or being out there in the late

1288
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Speaker 3: season and thinking through the stuff you find through the

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01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: scope of an entire season, you know, like that puts you, again,

1290
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 3: like on such a good foundation, even if you do

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01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: plan to go mobile and in season scout a whole bunch.

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01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: The more you think about that and the more you

1293
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: work to that kind of season long plan and those

1294
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: those rare features out there that deer want to they're

1295
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: gonna need. Man, when that stuff starts to come together,

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01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 3: like you, you find yourself having a lot fewer sits where.

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Speaker 2: You Yeah, So what what if any other major takeaways

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01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: did you have coming out of this month that we

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Speaker 2: haven't covered yet? Is there any other major thing that

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01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: you feel like needs to be hit on again to

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: make sure that everyone kind of captured those key points.

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01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: I think you got to learn to, if not love it,

1303
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: at least really like it, like when you when you

1304
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 3: talk to Andy, you talk to some of these guys,

1305
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 3: they even though the scouting thing in the summer can

1306
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: really suck, like you're gonna I mean, you're gonna get

1307
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: stung by bees. Eventually you're gonna be hot and sweaty

1308
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be nasty. And you know, if you

1309
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,959
Speaker 3: ask my daughter, you're gonna get you know, you're gonna

1310
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: hit stinging needles, not nettles, Like you're gonna have shitty

1311
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: stuff out there, but that find that information, you know,

1312
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: even jumping that buck out of that little swale or something,

1313
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: it's always worth it. And so you got to learn.

1314
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 3: You know, like you're a runner, you've been running some

1315
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: half marathons, like everybody, I'm sure you have this conversation

1316
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: ten times a month where people are like, I hate running.

1317
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: I can't do it. It's like nobody likes running like

1318
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we like how it makes us feel, right,

1319
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 3: but you know, there are very few people are like

1320
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 3: I just love the process of running, like I feel

1321
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: so it's so fun to run. You're like, no, Like,

1322
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 3: that's not it's not what it's about. It's about like

1323
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: the reward, it's like the result. Like it's a good

1324
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: positive thing to do. And if you learn to tolerate it,

1325
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: or you learn to like not hate it, it eventually

1326
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: becomes a pretty good lifestyle choice. And I think with scouting,

1327
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like the all day sits like

1328
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: people talk a big game, but it's not that easy

1329
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: right off the bat to just love that process. But

1330
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: if you can learn to get to a point, and

1331
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: this is why, right at the beginning, I said, like, man,

1332
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: if you can take a little bite sized chunks of

1333
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: this stuff versus you know, one eight hour stand hanging

1334
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 3: marathon or whatever every three months, the whole process is

1335
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: way way better. And you just you learn to just

1336
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: love it more. And I think that when I talk

1337
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: to all those guys, I think one of the takeaways

1338
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: was just like get to a place where you at

1339
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: least like it, like it's it's so important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another cliche, but you know, and this can

1341
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: be applied to a lot of different aspects of hunting.

1342
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: You can apply this to you know, some people can

1343
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: replace some of this scouting with habitat work or those

1344
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: kinds of things. But you know, the cliche idea that

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01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: you kill your deer in the off season and you

1346
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: shoot them in the fall, and you could also say

1347
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: you kill your deer you know on well this is

1348
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: that would be eliminated in season, Scott. What I'm trying

1349
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: to say, scouting kills deer shooting when you're actually in

1350
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: the tree stand, that's very a relatively small part of

1351
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: the hunt, right. It's it's really the work done in

1352
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: the off season, in the spring, in the winter, in

1353
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: the summer, and on the days when you're not in

1354
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: the tree stand, when you're actually on the ground walking

1355
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: or glassing all of that stuff. It's so much of

1356
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: deer hunting is done ahead of the moment when you're

1357
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: in the tree stand versus like elk hunting or meal

1358
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 2: deer hunting, where like the hunt is happening right now,

1359
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: and so much of is the decision you make next

1360
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: based off of what the deer did just now. But

1361
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, white tail hunting world at least ambush hunting

1362
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: the way we're talking about right now, So much of

1363
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: it is putting this whole puzzle together ahead of time,

1364
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: leading you to the one final piece that you then

1365
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: place on October first or November fifth or whatever. But

1366
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: you can't get to that point unless there's been all

1367
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: of this other stuff leading up to it. And it's

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01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 2: very worthy of a full month of discussion, if not

1369
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: much more.

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01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: I totally agree, buddy.

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: So do you want me to keep you up to

1372
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: speed on the new property scouting and learning or will

1373
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 2: it be too bitter of a pill to swallow and

1374
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: you'll be bitter and jealous and you'd rather me just

1375
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: keep it all under wraps.

1376
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm very used to you having this kind of

1377
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: sesame street life where everything's amazing and you're just this

1378
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: muppet with a big smile on your face, So you

1379
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: can I'm okay with it if you want to keep

1380
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 3: me posted on this beautiful new property that you got

1381
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: just because you're best friends with Steve Verneller or whatever.

1382
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: That's fine.

1383
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: Well, it might also be a total clunker. I might

1384
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 2: go out there and it be like overrun with trespassers

1385
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: and you know, stolen trail cameras and all sorts of craziness.

1386
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: So it might actually be a lot of fun for

1387
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: you to follow a long dude.

1388
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 3: Everyone's in a while that happens, and it sucks so much.

1389
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 2: You just never know, And that's part of the fun

1390
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: of the new places that you just could be anything.

1391
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 2: So I will despite the sesame street dig I'm gonna

1392
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: keep on sharing the story with you, hey, and we'll

1393
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: see if I can figure it out.

1394
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: Speaking of Diggs, one thing that I've been seething about

1395
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: since you said it at the beginning of this podcast

1396
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 3: was metrout fishing with an ugly stick.

1397
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Speaker 1: Do you like that one?

1398
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I would probably be able to retire tomorrow

1399
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 3: if I had bought ugly sticks instead of the fishing

1400
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: rods that I've been buying my entire life.

1401
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and me both, man, They're a much better

1402
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: deal when it comes to pennies in the piggy bank

1403
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: at least. Oh okay, is there any other final thing

1404
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: you want to cover off on or are we good

1405
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: to wrap this up and move into August?

1406
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: Man, I think we're good. I think we've covered it

1407
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: pretty heavy.

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01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, Well, thank you for manning the Mothership

1409
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: and leading us into hunting season full blown crazy prep

1410
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 2: mode here with a really good foundation of new scouting

1411
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: ideas or reminders. And this coming month, as we lead

1412
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: into the openers that many of this will experience in September,

1413
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: we're going to kick off with another one of my

1414
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: series of the what would you Do? Themed episodes? So

1415
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: I think you recall these, Tony, I think you were

1416
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: a guest on one of them.

1417
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: I absolutely was.

1418
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: Presenting a series of folks with like very specific hypothetical

1419
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: situations and then asking them, you know, what would you do?

1420
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: How would you approach this? What would be your thought process?

1421
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: Walk me through all that? And these end up being

1422
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: some of my favorites every year. So we're going to

1423
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: get some new folks on, some new guests and really

1424
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: digging deep on you know how they would tackle some

1425
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: tough hunting situations and hopefully give us some new ideas

1426
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:37,959
Speaker 2: for this coming.

1427
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: Season because it is going to be here soon.

1428
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: I can't believe it, but we are staring down like

1429
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: weeks until opening day for some states.

1430
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1431
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I guess.

1432
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: With that, ill said Tony, let's wrap her up. Thank

1433
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: you everyone for tuning in. Appreciate you listening. As I

1434
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: managed at the top, there's those new products over all,

1435
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: first light dot Com, the new source vests, the Origin pant,

1436
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: and the trigger flip Mitt highly recommend him worth giving

1437
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 2: a little time on the website there. And with all

1438
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: that out of the way, good luck out there in

1439
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: the wood scouting. Hope you're shooting, Hope you're having fun.

1440
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 2: And until next time, stay wired to Hunt.