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Speaker 1: that I brought on that loves college football. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: but basically I got him involved. Now he is officially

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Speaker 1: draft this guy to play wide receiver? Because he he

430
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Speaker 1: values smart guys more than sometimes like blue chip talents.

431
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Speaker 1: And because to play for Belichick and Tom you had

432
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Speaker 1: to be really, really sharp. And if you think about

433
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Speaker 1: most of their top players over twenty plus years, from

434
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Speaker 1: like Rodney Harrison to Bruce keed of Rabel to like

435
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: the new crew of like Edelman mccordy, just like sharp

436
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: dudes well in college, like one, they don't have to

437
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: pick of the litter, right, they're not recruiting the top

438
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: guys even their transfers relative like, it's not like they're

439
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: stealing a guy that Ohio State, Water or Bama wanted,

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: so his talent it's not gonna be as high. And

441
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Speaker 1: then how does he teach him fast enough? Because even

442
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: you know Urban Myra's on the show with Coward and

443
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't even know how you could possibly

444
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Speaker 1: build a culture and you know, overnight, when that's a

445
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Speaker 1: big part of what Bill does is like scheme and culture. Well,

446
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: it's like hard to microwave that, and he did. I

447
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the quote recently. I think

448
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: it's like a couple of days ago where he's like,

449
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 1: we hit and tackled way more in training camp than

450
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Speaker 1: I ever did in the pro school. We don't have

451
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Speaker 1: preseason games because the guys we have on our staff

452
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Speaker 1: that were college guys told me that's what you have

453
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Speaker 1: to do. And I was thinking back like when I

454
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Speaker 1: was at Frisone State, all these colleges, like it's camp

455
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: is a little more physical than the NFL because you

456
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: could always be like we got some preseason games, especially

457
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Speaker 1: for our second and third stringers, where it's like you

458
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of knit, you're picking your battles in NFL training

459
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: camps than these college training camps. You're running full on

460
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: scrimmages a lot. But if you went to like Ravens Camp,

461
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: even their physical days, it's not like true scrimmages like

462
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: you go to Ohio State or Bama or Texas. They

463
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Speaker 1: have multiple like legit scrimmages during fall camp because that's

464
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: you gotta simulate the game. So how does he understand

465
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Speaker 1: how to do that? And then there's just like I

466
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Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, what's the these young kids and him.

467
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Speaker 1: I you could argue he's just such a good coach

468
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Speaker 1: he'll figure it out, but I don't know. I mean,

469
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Speaker 1: he just Dion had been coaching young you know, you know,

470
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Speaker 1: high school recruits at Jackson State or whatever. And he

471
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Speaker 1: also just had I don't know, his son, who's the quarterback,

472
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Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter, who's won the fucking Heisman. Like, does

473
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Speaker 1: Bill have any good players? That's my thing because we

474
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Speaker 1: saw the last couple of years when it ended he

475
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Speaker 1: didn't have any good players on the Patriots and they sucked.

476
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Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, like Saban became

477
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Speaker 1: a legend, Urban Meyer became a legend. Right, these guys

478
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Speaker 1: become legend because their teams are loaded. Now the conference sucks,

479
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: but I mean still it's like they're no locked to

480
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Speaker 1: beat some of the random teams in the ACC if

481
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the rosters are the same. Yeah, we all talk about

482
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks too.

483
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Speaker 2: Their starting quarterback is gonna be a South Alabama transfer

484
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Speaker 2: who's five to eleven who's kind of a dual threat.

485
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: So it's not something that he's used to seeing with

486
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady and kind of these statued six four sixty

487
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: five guys who were pocket passers, Like this guy's kind

488
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Speaker 2: of an RPOU Whose offensive coordinator is I don't know.

489
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Speaker 2: I know his son is obviously the defensive coordator. I

490
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Speaker 2: don't know who's OC.

491
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Speaker 1: It's Freddy Kitchens, who, if you remember, was the coach

492
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Speaker 1: for a year with Baker Mayfield. You could if you

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Speaker 1: told me the equivalent of Freddy Kitchens was his defensive coordinator,

494
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, big, that's Belichick's baby. You know,

495
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: Flores is an excellent defensive coordinator with or without him.

496
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Speaker 1: Patricia's not right, but it's like Belichick can run it.

497
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Speaker 1: It does whether he's got Romeo Cornell, he can figure

498
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Speaker 1: that out. The offensive coordinator matters. Bill was sweet with

499
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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. When he didn't have Josh McDaniels, they sucked.

500
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Speaker 1: So it's like like Freddy Kitchens, I I don't know.

501
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 1: The guy was a joke in the NFL.

502
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Speaker 2: I do wonder though, how Belichick's relationship with players is

503
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: because he did take I mean, we always kind of

504
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: forget he did take a year off and was in

505
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: the media and Pat McAfee, you know, the Manning brothers.

506
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Speaker 2: He did show some kind of personality.

507
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Speaker 1: But it is you.

508
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Speaker 2: Wonder how in today's college football with a lot of

509
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Speaker 2: people like my age that are sensitive and kind of

510
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: like this gen Z new age people, like how do

511
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: they is does Bill kind of like go in between

512
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Speaker 2: of a hardcore NFL coach and what he was with

513
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Speaker 2: McAfee to kind of just relate to these players like

514
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Speaker 2: after the game, if they be TCU or are they

515
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: dumping the.

516
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Speaker 1: Gatorade on him? Are they hugging him?

517
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Speaker 2: Like are they kind of back in a w I

518
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: don't know, just a relationship with that, and then on

519
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: top of that, you had his girlfriend in the mix,

520
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: like we haven't heard anything. I'll fall camp, thank god,

521
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: who knows if we will the entire season. But it's

522
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Speaker 2: just one of those operations where you just, I mean,

523
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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to watch a week to week just

524
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: a lot of unknown players that you can't really say

525
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Speaker 2: on because it's a guy from South Alabama's just starting quarterback.

526
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Speaker 2: I don't know how he's gonna be in the acency.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, a little run around guy does just

528
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: not feel like Bill Belichick, Right, And you think about

529
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: even when he tried to replace Tom it was with

530
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and then Mac Jones, Like, but that's the

531
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Speaker 1: best they could do, Like what were I bet they

532
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: looked around, like what were their options? So, yeah, I

533
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: don't you could convince me he wins eight nine games

534
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: because of the schedule. You could also convince me his

535
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Speaker 1: players aren't any good and it's just kind of a

536
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Speaker 1: disaster and it's like five six wins, right, it could

537
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Speaker 1: be a little It would look a lot different than

538
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Speaker 1: Dion because at the end of the day, even when

539
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Speaker 1: they were sucking that first year, they still were like

540
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Speaker 1: Chador and Travis Hunter, Like, is Bill gonna have they

541
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Speaker 1: got first round talent on their team.

542
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Speaker 2: I don't know no idea how it And they're obviously

543
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: the biggest thing in collegetball right now is nil. And

544
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Speaker 2: you had this question you texted in, and I thought

545
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: it was spot on to bring onto the show about

546
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Speaker 2: teams that are keeping up in the Anile era.

547
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Speaker 1: I listed a ton.

548
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Speaker 2: Of team I do think there's some teams that have

549
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Speaker 2: nil and are capable of paying, but maybe it's the

550
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: head coach has priority won or like Arkansas, for example,

551
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: they paid cal Party a ton of money that roster

552
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: as a basketball school. I feel like they're craving football.

553
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: But is Sam Pittman the long term answer?

554
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Mark Stoops the long term answer?

555
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

556
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Speaker 2: Hugh Freeze, like, what's your take on I guess what

557
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: are some teams right now who are keeping in nil

558
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Speaker 2: that kind of just are on the top of your

559
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Speaker 2: head and why?

560
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Speaker 1: I think forever, even back in the day when you

561
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: were just brown bagging a kid for I don't know,

562
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: twenty grand. If he sucked, you could just bench him.

563
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Speaker 1: It was like, whatever, we'll go with the other guy.

564
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Speaker 1: You posted something recently of Hugh Freeze with Jackson Arnold,

565
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Speaker 1: who got a lot of NIL money. I think from Oklahoma.

566
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Speaker 1: I think he was one of the top five quarterbacks

567
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Speaker 1: in his class. It's like Nico and Arcs, like he

568
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Speaker 1: was a highly touted might have been the previous year

569
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Speaker 1: or the year after arch I think it was the

570
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Speaker 1: same year, Yeah, but he was a highly touted, like

571
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: blue chip guy. And this happens in college football no

572
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: different than the draft. Like you think he's sweet, then

573
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: he's not. But he gets a lot of money. But

574
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Speaker 1: then that guy usually gets a lot of opportunity to transfer,

575
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Speaker 1: like like Nico, there's a chance Nico's just a bust,

576
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: but you're paying this guy a bunch of money. And

577
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: who's the backup for Auburn Deuce Knights?

578
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: And then they also have Ashton Daniels transfer from Stanford.

579
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Speaker 2: He was their starting quarterback. But he kind of seems

580
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: like a guy like, hey, let me get more nil

581
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Speaker 2: money be a backup. Duce Knight's the guy that's the

582
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Speaker 2: five star that I said, kind of like when DJ

583
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: Lagway came into Florida and everyone's screaming down Billy Napier's

584
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: neck like start Lagway.

585
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm gonna go with Mertz. He's got

586
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: more reps.

587
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: And Mertz ended up getting hurt, which opened up the

588
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: door for DJ Lagway and they ended up having the

589
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: back end of the season and it saved his ass.

590
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: Like they became Bill eligible, they don't become Boe eligible,

591
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: and he doesn't get that recruit. I don't know if

592
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: Billy Napier is still coaching at Florida. That's like the

593
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: same thing with Florida. It's like or with Auburn. Is

594
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Speaker 2: Jackson Arnold gonna be that guy? I just have no idea.

595
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: You saw him in Oklahoma last year. He just looked

596
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: like a deer in the heamlights.

597
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: It's terrible. So to me, it's like how that impacts

598
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: because all the top twenty five, you know, the big

599
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Big ten schools, all the SEC schools, some of the

600
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Speaker 1: Big twelve and ACC schools, they pay a lot of

601
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Speaker 1: money for these quarterbacks. I mean they pay a decent

602
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: amount of money, right, I mean relative society making hundreds

603
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: of thousand dollars position players. When you're given a quarterback

604
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: on the low end seven eight, nine hundred thousand dollars,

605
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna play him. But if the guy sucks, like

606
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: you gotta pivot. And that's to me. The coaches with

607
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: more juice like Kirby can do whatever he wants, Ryan

608
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Day can do whatever he wants, Lane Kivin will do

609
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. But a guy like Hugh Freeze or

610
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: some of these people venables, they get in this position,

611
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: like do they feel pressure from the money guys. It's

612
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of old school college football that way, where like

613
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Speaker 1: the boosters are kind of in control, like sark Now

614
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Speaker 1: is in the like he can kind of do whatever

615
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: he wants, like he's been winning, you know de boor

616
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Speaker 1: like he's kind of got a win to keep people

617
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: off his back again to get to that like do

618
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: whatever you want, like Brian Kelly, like is there outside influence?

619
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Speaker 1: You know? It just makes things complicated when these numbers

620
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: get so big, and as we sit right now, like

621
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Speaker 1: the money is coming basically from the boosters in the program,

622
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Speaker 1: So there is a lot of different people where it's

623
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Speaker 1: like in the NFL, it's like your coach and GM

624
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: just do whatever, right, It's just you just got the

625
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: salary cap. It's money. It's like free money from the league,

626
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: from the media. This it's just become really complicated. But

627
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: it's also like Texas Tech just all of a sudden

628
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it gets this billionaire guy. That's where it kind of shifts,

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Speaker 1: like Oregon kind of became that. I do think there

630
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Speaker 1: are more programs that will enter the chat, like Texas Tech,

631
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Speaker 1: you know, North Carolina State, you know Luck. I don't

632
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Speaker 1: know if you've noticed. Luck is just really out in

633
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: front right now, and I think he realized the only

634
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Speaker 1: way for this to work is like I gotta be

635
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Speaker 1: kind of front and center, like I gotta be the

636
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: star to also generate the money too, so we can

637
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Speaker 1: by these players. And it's just added an element. Like

638
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Speaker 1: ten years ago, I don't think Andrew Luck, even if

639
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: they would have created this position for him, would have

640
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: to do what he's kind of doing, which I respect,

641
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: because he would have been like, look's kind of nerd,

642
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna want to talk. He's talking all the time,

643
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Speaker 1: which I think he realized, I have to to generate,

644
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: like he's kind of doing his version of like Delon Sanders.

645
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: I said earlier, like I worked sports radio in Arizona,

646
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: and you would see first year after Dillingham had to

647
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: replace herm Edwards and the whole suspension thing, and Kenny,

648
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: being a guy that's from Arizona, he'd go on every

649
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: radio radio show, every TV show in the valley, fun, fun, fun,

650
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: We need the nil money, Like we can get the money,

651
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: keep these players, we can turn something special. And then

652
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: what happened last year them going on and winning the

653
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, and he talked about in the offseason I

654
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: think you touched on on your podcast too or on

655
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: the show that the roster attention is something that they

656
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: haven't really experienced at Arizona State until this year.

657
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: So like they're another.

658
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Team where not the level of Ohio State or the

659
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: Texas text of the world that getting all this money,

660
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: but in a big city like Tempe, Scottsdale, Maricopa County,

661
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: like those are the type of like teams I think

662
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: in college that there's some fan bases that are holding

663
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: back a little bit. But if you can prove that

664
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: you can win and you can kind of keep these

665
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: elite players, Like I think Arizona State's one of those

666
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: teams that could not get five star recruits, but could

667
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: they get some four stars and they're getting some backups

668
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: from Clemson in Alabama, like Arizona State could not do

669
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: that ten years ago. So like to your point about, look,

670
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: you got to sell yourself and then you got to

671
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: prove that you can win, and then after that, once

672
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: the wins start coming, then it's like, okay, let's pile

673
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: on and kind of rebuild this program. I do think though, too,

674
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: two programs will I know we're gonna talk about Notre

675
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: Dame later, it feels like Oregon and Notre Dame and

676
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: maybe some other ones that come to your head in

677
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: this new era of college football have felt like they've

678
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: just like taken that next leap with like everybody else,

679
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Like the gap between Georgia and Bama and them has

680
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: shown a ton would I would agree, and I think

681
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: a huge part of that is the distribution of the

682
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: players and that there was an element of the top

683
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: I'd even say five.

684
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Or six programs. Truly, we're going too deep with NFL guys. Well,

685
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: if you have a backup now, like arch Manning is

686
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of an outlier, like most guys will wait a

687
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: year maybe, but then they'll just leave because they will

688
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: get paid. And the dirty recruiting aspect of like people

689
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: just dming you, people trying to steal you at all moments,

690
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: that's where I think college football really needs. I even

691
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: saw Rich Paul say this, He's like in our business, right,

692
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: like I give Lebron fifty million dollars and the ROLLI

693
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: is expecting him to be a great player and you

694
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: win games and it's like a part you know, even

695
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: if you could say Lebron James always the greatest partner,

696
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: if he's on your team, you're typically winning. You're always winning, right,

697
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: But there's an ROI in pro sports, like I pay

698
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: you a lot for production. Right, that's where going in

699
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: college football is I pay you a lot so you

700
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: get to do whatever you want. That's that's not how

701
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: any of these other businesses work. Right. It's like you

702
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: could just up and leave some of these guys. There's

703
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: been guys that have like transferred three times in a

704
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: calendar year. Like that's where it's like they got to

705
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: figure out a way to I'd be on board of

706
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: like you sign a contract like multiple years. It's like, well,

707
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: you shouldn't force a kid. Well it's like, well if

708
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm paying him two million dollars in a two year contract,

709
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: like fuck yeah, I can. I totally agree. The old way,

710
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: it's like kind of had him buy the balls and

711
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: weren't paying him anything. Nowadays, it's like, what's going on?

712
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: That was a whole Nico thing. It's like, I gave

713
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: you a four year contract at eight nine million dollars.

714
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good deal. Yeah, you know, and I

715
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: watched you last year little hit or miss.

716
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ran out of bounds against Arkansas with the

717
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: last play of the game instead of throwing it up,

718
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: and then that Tennessee game he was nowhere to be found.

719
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: I guess he kind of ran for some touchdowns too,

720
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: but to your point, he didn't really live up to

721
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: that production.

722
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: But speaking of quarterbacks, who do you think right now?

723
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: Because in college football, sony new quarterbacks right the top

724
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: twenty five, Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama,

725
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: Miami all have new quarterbacks. Miami, Oklahoma, some transfers. But

726
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: when you look at this season, it seems like this

727
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: year there's a lot of guys that have stayed a

728
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: lot of years that have not transferred to other schools.

729
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: Like a couple of years ago it was the final four,

730
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: we're all transfer quarterbacks, Heisman was all transfers. This year

731
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: just seems like a bunch of older guys. Club Nick

732
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Aller nuss Meyer like who, in your opinion, like, who

733
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: is the best returning.

734
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Quarterback that you're like, all right, that guy could be

735
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: a dude to watch out for that could lead to

736
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: a national championship. Yeah, I wanted to be Aller, but

737
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just hard to throw across his body and you

738
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: just watch him on a week in wake out, Basis

739
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: can be a little hit or miss. To Menus Meyer

740
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: that second half against Texa A and M. He's a

741
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: really good player, but it's like kind of cousins e vibes.

742
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: I would say, again solid but like number one overall.

743
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: The Lagway you watch that sec Netflix show. I mean,

744
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: guys a big time talent, you know, and they got

745
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of hype coming in. They have a schedule

746
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: is pretty crazy. To me, sellers Uh is intriguing, but

747
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: to me, he's a little bit more of like, Okay,

748
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: let's just let's just see you know that. That's kind

749
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: of style of playing quarterback. To me, Lagway is what

750
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: like pops like if you're talking number one. If they

751
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: all play at a high level, it's like that guy's

752
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Right. I think Aler's one

753
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: of those guys that probably gets drafted higher than people like, wait,

754
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: he got drafted where now his team's gonna be good.

755
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna win a ton of games during his college career,

756
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: but he can just be a little bit of a

757
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: wild card. Now their two running backs are gonna be sweet.

758
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: But I think that crew of guys and I was

759
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: texted with a buddy, a scouting buddy that went through Oklahoma.

760
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, is John Mattier like up with these top guys.

761
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: He's like just based on practice, I think, a little overhyped,

762
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: good player, but he's gonna have a lot of people

763
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: paying attention to him, right like Arch in that rivalry,

764
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Like Arch gets ninety nine percent, but Materier, like some

765
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: people are saying he's gonna win the Heisman. People think

766
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma could be a sleeper team. So I think, what's cool.

767
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: And this is why football is such a big deal now.

768
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: The NFL, they have a bunch of quarterbacks right college football.

769
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: This is why college football has separated from college basketball.

770
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: The first time I went on college show, Rick Patino

771
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: came on. He's like, it wasn't that long ago. I

772
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: remember in the nineties when we were all equals college basketball,

773
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: college football, the NFL, the NBA, and I was like,

774
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: I agree, that's what I grew up on. And in

775
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: this Rick Patino, he's like football in the pros and

776
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: college has just gone like this and a big reason

777
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: for Like when I was a kid, these star players

778
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: would play college basketball. For Cooper Flagg would have played

779
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: minimum two years, so they build up like we've known

780
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: about ness Meyer now or DJ Lagway or you right,

781
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: club Nick like he's another guy. I mean, he clearly

782
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: pretty talented. I'm just intrigued. I wouldn't bet on any

783
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: of these guys being the number one overall. I think

784
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: it could be you flip a coin, right, and which

785
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: is a good thing, Like that's what you want? A

786
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: ton of stars and Arch Manning's showing up, and we

787
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: know there'll be a couple guys like Joe Burrow kind

788
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. Cam Newton had one. Like

789
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing with college football. You're gonna get two

790
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: or three guys like we are one percent not talking

791
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: about or maybe not even know if because they've been

792
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: a backup, they've transferred and then all of a sudden

793
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: happened to cam Ward. Yeah, not Carson. Carson Beck would

794
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: be the one guy that, like, I'm out on We'll see.

795
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: Nothing will rekindle those feelings that you had. I guess

796
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you really had any feelings to

797
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: begin with.

798
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't with Carson Beck.

799
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: I you talk Ohio State, obviously Texas. I think that

800
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: the match between Club Nick and ness Meyer. I mean,

801
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: if you're you're talking about in terms of like a

802
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Heisman race, like those two are like neck and neck

803
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: and the Heisman odds. It feels like whoever outperforms that

804
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: night is going to take that next lead. I think

805
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: it's also fascinating just the Club Nick a year ago

806
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: against Georgia looked horrible and then like the season progresses

807
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: on and you and me were text, we were talking

808
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: on the show about this that game against Texas.

809
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you're watching Club Knick. You're like kay Klubnick.

810
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: Being an NFL quarterback in a year from now, and

811
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: you got Garrett Riley in a third year. And then

812
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: it's the weapons he has around him with Davos Sweeney, Like,

813
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: I just think overall, like the circumstances that they have

814
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: around him, I would trust in terms of best returning

815
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: quarterback would be Nuss s Meyer, but his coach is iconic,

816
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: so I maybe give the lean to Club Nick. But

817
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: I just think I think Club Nick's just I mean,

818
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, people thought he was gonna

819
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: be the next dj Uyung because they thought he was

820
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: gonna be that next Okay, Like this guy is gonna

821
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: be another DJU, another failed you know, Clemson quarterback because

822
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: after after Trevor Lawrence, they had Hunter Johnson and it

823
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: didn't work out there. But he's another guy to me

824
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: that I'm interested in because he's starting to be projected.

825
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: I think Field Yates came out with a mock draft

826
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: and they don't matter. But I think it's cool to

827
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: see some of these draft prospects. You know, for sure

828
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: draft guys see the potential in some of these quarterbacks.

829
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: That game, I mean, obviously Ohio State Texas gets all

830
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: the pub that might be the best game, right, I mean,

831
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: I don't judge Brian Kelly on his first year, but

832
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: two years ago with Jayden Daniels, they lose that opening

833
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I think it was Monday night game against Florida State,

834
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: it might have been Sunday night and kind of get worked.

835
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: Remember Keon Coleman destroyed them last year. All the hype

836
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: about playing USC in Vegas. Lincoln Riley wants to back

837
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: out of the game. Brian Kelly's like, no chance, which

838
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: I respect. Then he loses that game. The first year

839
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: he did that, he has not won a Week one game. Now,

840
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: granted he's playing real opponents at Death Valley night game.

841
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a little of that Texas

842
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: A and M like can't. I think that's what if

843
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm an NFL scout or GM and I everyone's gonna

844
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: like ness Meyer good player, high character guy, impressive, people

845
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: love him. That thing that like he went to an

846
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: SEC media day when he opened up his thing and

847
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: he had Lacy inside. It's like this guy just gets it,

848
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: you know which again I'm not even there's not even

849
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: a thing to get there. That's his boy powerful, Like

850
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: that's sad, situation, awful, but it's like he just checks

851
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: every fucking box. But like, you play a lot of

852
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: road games in the NFL, you know, and if you're

853
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: on if your team gets good, they're hard road games

854
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: at night. And it's like that A and M thing

855
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: he melted down. And this Clemson defense, I mean, they

856
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: have how many guys projected, like you said it, mock

857
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: drafts in August change a lot, but like clearly Clemson

858
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: has multiple guys that are viewed as top ten picks,

859
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: top fifteen picks on defense, multiple defensive linemens. So it's

860
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: like buck luck because that's what A and M was

861
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Shimar Stewart. They had a bunch of dudes, and it's like,

862
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: we'll see it. Cause I remember I sat right back

863
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: here and watched that game at night. I'm like, LSU

864
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: was kicking the shit out of these guys and then

865
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: it flipped and then they got destroyed.

866
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been the biggest thing for LSU. They can

867
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: stop Marcel Reid because they made that quarterback change because

868
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: Wyman started that game. Marcel Lee comes in and LSU

869
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: that's their biggest thing. And that's like like transitioning to

870
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, pressure onto the sec. Like to me, I

871
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: think LSU has the most pressure this season because, like

872
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: you said, like Garret Nesmeyer, like can he stop being

873
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 2: cute lad in games like he was last year?

874
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Like the first half's great.

875
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Then they come in LSU this season they say, you

876
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna invest in the transfer portal. They

877
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: spend eighteen million dollars this year on the roster. They

878
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: spend eleven million dollars the last three years on this roster.

879
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: So Brian Kelly's finally going in. You had Josh Pate

880
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: talking about how he's finally bringing the Louisiana people back in.

881
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's LSU.

882
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 2: I know they haven't made the Collegeball Playoff, but how

883
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: this roster's built. They are six deep out wide receiver.

884
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: The offensive line might be a question, but you talk

885
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: about NFL guys. Harrol Perkins juniors, A dude went weeks

886
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: of the linebacker. They've got some good safeties from the portal.

887
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Like to me, it's like, now we're never for for

888
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly and try to win over this LSU crowd

889
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: to kind of keep the momentum for the next couple

890
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: of years. And then even or I Smyer himself, like

891
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: you return back, you could have went to the NFL

892
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: and then a first round pick. Like I feel like

893
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: the pressure is really high for LSU and they.

894
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: Start out horrible.

895
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: I do give Brian Kelly credit for keeping the game

896
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: in Clemson, keeping it on the schedule, like you did

897
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: not have to.

898
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Probably you could have made it a neutral side game.

899
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: No one would have like heart, no one would have

900
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 2: cared if it would have been a neutral side game.

901
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: But it just feels like this year, Brian Kelly, with

902
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: the schedule, they could go one in two their first

903
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: three weeks because they got that, they got Florida at home.

904
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: So I just think LSU think they got the most pressure.

905
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I totally agree, because you could say Florida. But it's like,

906
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I still think people have no problem firing Billy April, Right,

907
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: he's not. They gave this guy ninety million dollars and listen,

908
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a little douchey. I mean the commed

909
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: he had and then Netflix thing is like, my mortgage

910
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: depends on no someone who lives paychecks the paycheck worries

911
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: about their mortgage. You've made one hundred and fifty million

912
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: dollars coaching football the last fifteen years. You could pay

913
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: cash for the house if you want to do yesterday,

914
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: like shut up. But from seventeen on he went ten

915
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: and three, twelve and one, eleven and two, ten and two,

916
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: eleven and one. Like this guy was viewed as like

917
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: a guy that if Notre Dame had a little bit

918
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: lower academic requirements, like they'd be winning Natties, right, that

919
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: was the thing, And he gets the LSU and two

920
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: years ago, and this sometimes age is worse when it's like,

921
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: well we had the Heisman Trophy winner, we had the

922
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: best offense. It's like you probably could have won a

923
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: national Championship if your defense wasn't a joke, right, you

924
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: had Molik neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior and Jaden Daniels. Like

925
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: if you historically LSU has good defenses, right, it's like

926
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State or Alabama or Georgia's like they're when I

927
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: think LSU, honestly, up until like Burrow, I always thought defense,

928
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: and you'd think Brian Kelly. I know he's an offensive guy,

929
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: but like his defense is Notre Dame, tough bunch of

930
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: NFL guys, And I just think people the expectations and

931
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: then last year Notre Dame is in the National Championship

932
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and this guy is nine and three again, or actually

933
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: last he was eight and four, but in the regular season,

934
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: so they won the bowl game. I just think that

935
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I think by far right, you'd say, to Bor, but

936
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere. He's getting multiple years Florida. I

937
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: think people are already kind of on the fence of

938
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: that guy. Anyway. It's like his DJ lagway, like even

939
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: their schedule is really hard. If they got to fire him,

940
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: no one will hesitate, Like this becomes a major major

941
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: problem if they're nine and three again, and I would

942
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: say Listen, I respect you playing these big time games,

943
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: but eventually you got to win one of them, right,

944
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: you got it? Like Dabbles won a lot of these

945
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: over the course of his career, right, Saban and Kirby

946
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: and Ryan Day, like they've won a lot of games,

947
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: So knock on James Franklin. But like James Franklin has

948
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: been winning at a really high level of Penn State

949
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: last year, gets to the final four, right and honestly,

950
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: if his quarterback doesn't make just a boneheaded throw, probably

951
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: wins that game or has a decent chance to win

952
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: that game. Like played, they played a winning football game.

953
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not putting Drew Aller's pass on James Franklin like

954
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: I was. A Ryan Kelly's has kind of been a

955
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: been a letdown.

956
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: I feel like at LSU, you've ben watching that sec

957
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Netflix show to you hear him yelling at his team.

958
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: It's just like it's a it's a weird vibe between

959
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: a really old old school guy like I'm doing it

960
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: my way, I'm not doing anyone else's way kind of

961
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: mentality in this new in this new college football era,

962
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: we're all adapting to different things in the sport.

963
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll give you an example. I'll give

964
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: you an example when like Florida State, who maybe this

965
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: norvelle and that that program just falls apart. No one

966
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: expects them to beat Alabama. They're like a two touchdown underdog.

967
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: So if they do lose by twenty points, like whatever,

968
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like they could still have a solid season or

969
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: maybe they suck, but the expectations on that. When you

970
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: look at LSU Clemson, like these a three and a

971
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: half point underdog. So it's that and listen, like that's

972
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: definitely when you got NFL players and you got an

973
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, like it's a winnable game and now would

974
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: it be an impressive win for sure, But they're hanging

975
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: ninety million two. I don't know win a game like this.

976
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: So it's like if he if he can't win this

977
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: game and it does snowball, I know, it gets a

978
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: lot more complicated with buyouts and stuff. I would say

979
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: that the LSU would if he started one to two

980
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: and they lost to Florida. You just look at their schedule.

981
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: There's no way they could make the playoffs because that

982
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: would mean something's really wrong. He would be like people

983
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: would just be out on him there.

984
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they got A and M at Bama and

985
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma the back end of the season, so he

986
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: got two really hard road games and then an M two.

987
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: I also think it was a bad look last year

988
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 2: when he slammed the table against USC and he's he's

989
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 2: calling out his players and saying, we weren't prepared enough

990
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: and I can't get these guys right. And at South

991
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: Carolina game, they should have lost that game when arist

992
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: Sellers gets hurt. But that was one of those collapses

993
00:46:45,600 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: too from last year, kind of pivot off of LSU.

994
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any sneaky pressure. It feels like

995
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: no one's talking about Georgia. This team won the SEC

996
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 2: last year, they lost the first well not the first round,

997
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: but the second round of.

998
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: The collegetball playoff.

999
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a kind of sneaky pressure on

1000
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: them just to kind of be relevant again in the

1001
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: sport where there's a lot moving on with NIL and

1002
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: teams are moving up and down, and you have all

1003
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: these kind of expectations and you were kind of soft

1004
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: last year, and I'm a Notre Dame fan. We talked

1005
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: about Notre Dame Georgia and I was on Notre Dame side, obviously,

1006
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: it just felt like that Notre Dame game was the

1007
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: first time you saw Georgia just get worked.

1008
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think most people are not saving

1009
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: where it's just like every other year you're gonna win

1010
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: a Natty and you're just gonna bang out Natti. It's like,

1011
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I just think Georgia and Kirby is a really really

1012
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: good coach. This team's gonna be in the mix a lot.

1013
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: But it's like transfer portal. There's a little element of luck.

1014
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Gunner Stock didn't seem sexy, but it's like, is it

1015
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: gonna be your full time quarterback all season long? Like

1016
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Kirby almost feels like he talks about him like he

1017
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: did Stetson Bennett, And that's how I think he views it,

1018
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the old school Nick Saban

1019
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: way of like, yeah, we just do whatever, We'll build

1020
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: it around him. Are we sure that you were able

1021
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: to play like that? Now? Like don't you kind of

1022
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: need an NFL quarterback? Uh? So, I don't think there's

1023
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: he won back to back national championships. They hadn't won

1024
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: one since nineteen eighty, But I do think people will

1025
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: start being you start paying what they're paying for their staff,

1026
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: for their team, people expect like ten wins minimum. Like

1027
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: they're just they're just at They're kind of the new

1028
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: Alabama because of their coach. So you don't need to

1029
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: win the national championship, but like last year, can you

1030
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: just be in the mix, be in the SEC championship game,

1031
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: be in the final eight or four. But like the

1032
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: SEC's if Gunner socks and sucks, they would have a problem. Yeah,

1033
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: he's not a sexy sock. I just mean, like you know,

1034
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: like Carson Beck created problems for them, Like he just

1035
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be good. It was gonna be a tough season,

1036
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: and you just that's the thing with college you just

1037
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: never know. Maybe he's gotten a lot better. They won

1038
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of games with Stets and Bennett. They also

1039
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: had an all star team. I mean, you could argue

1040
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: their roster was as good as any Alabama roster over

1041
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: the decades. It was literally their entire defense was basically

1042
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: first or second rounders. They had Brock Bowers and Lad McConkie.

1043
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's like that's a pretty unreal one two

1044
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: combination to pass the ball. I mean that both those

1045
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: two guys are their star quote unquote receiver. I know

1046
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: he's a tight end, but he's a receiver on their

1047
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: NFL teams. So it's like that's it's pretty hard. Like

1048
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: it's in the NIL era. It would have been much

1049
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: easier pre NIL for Kirby just would it would have

1050
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: They would have been the new Alabama, just two three deep.

1051
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: I think it's just more difficult now because the guy

1052
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: is like a backup. He was like, I'll just I'll

1053
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: go play at Florida State or I'll go play at Auburn,

1054
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: and these guys just disperse. I think I've heard Josh

1055
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: Pate say this. I've heard a couple of different people

1056
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: say this. The SEC is still really strong because all

1057
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: the sweet players, but they just kind of get dispersed

1058
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: in the SEC. Right, So it's like where they used

1059
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: to be on Bama or Georgia or those urban meyer

1060
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: fulour the teams. Now the backup like, I'm not waiting

1061
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: till my sophomore year. Now maybe I'll have to go

1062
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt or Auburn or Texa and it. But I

1063
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 1: dispersed within the South, you know, And that's a huge

1064
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: advantage forever for Saban and then to Kirby. Like I

1065
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: mean part of that Georgia dominant team are all those

1066
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: guys sitting around. I mean, help remember Jeremiah when the

1067
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: first people started transferring, like Jeremiah Johnson who went to

1068
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: Florida State, uh and was drafted years ago because Jermaine

1069
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: jo Yeah he was. He was like a third stringer.

1070
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: But like pre and I, he just would have had

1071
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: to stick it out and maybe would have had a

1072
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: sweet year, but he would have to wait his time,

1073
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: like people don't wait anymore. Yeah, yeah, I agree on

1074
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: her percent.

1075
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: I think one thing with them this year will be

1076
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: interesting is most of those losses they had last year

1077
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: a home games. Uh, Mike Bobo's back, They're gonna probably

1078
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: run the ball more, Une Fraser. The running backs really good.

1079
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: They went out and got some receivers, like the amount

1080
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: of drops they had last year at Georgia, Like those

1081
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: receivers last.

1082
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: Year were horrible. But another team that but I will

1083
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: say this on Georgia, they they throttled to I mean

1084
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: that first game when they played Texas, it was like

1085
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: it felt like a different like, I mean, they were

1086
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: just destroying him up front. Obviously they've lose I mean

1087
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Walker Goes gets drafted in the first round to Alabama

1088
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: and Mikel Williams gets drafted in the first round of

1089
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, Like, those are two guys the

1090
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: Historically I'd be like, well, they's got the next crew,

1091
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: and they will have excellent defensive players. It is just

1092
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: more difficult because sometimes that next excellent player comes from

1093
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: like a group of four or five guys. They battle

1094
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: it out and then the cream rises. Well, it's like

1095
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: three or four of those guys might leave now, and

1096
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: you're really dependent on those two guys to beat those

1097
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: that fill in, and maybe they have transferred around. So uh,

1098
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: it's just harder to replace. You're no doubt about it.

1099
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Number one overall draft pick. Even at the sweetest school,

1100
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: you might get it right, but you don't have like

1101
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: five guys to pick from. You're picking from like two

1102
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: or three, and they just better work out. Is this

1103
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: Penn State's year to win it? It?

1104
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Man James Franklin, I just his record is horrible, but

1105
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: it's like one of those things. Does he just kind

1106
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: of sit back and they've got any Kolneki one of

1107
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: the best offensive coordinators in college football. You wonder in

1108
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: year two with him, like could they implement Allen and

1109
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: Singleton more and what will the offense look like without Warren?

1110
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: And when they win in and got three portal guys,

1111
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: jimorre Penya was a guy to me that was like

1112
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 2: the icing on the cake.

1113
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: He was like the number one wide receiver at Syracuse.

1114
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: And then you get Jim Knowles defensively and what he

1115
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: did with Ohio State, like the fact that they have

1116
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: such a big advantage getting him, they just won the

1117
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: Natty last year. And then you look at this defense

1118
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: and what he was able to do with you know,

1119
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: the pass rushers that they had at Ohio State and

1120
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: the DB's that they had Ohio State. Two, you go

1121
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: over to Penn State, They've got I mean not only

1122
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: lost aft Ol Carter, but you mentioned LeVar Arrington's son

1123
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: is on the team. Sutton's really good. They got another

1124
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: defensive lineman. So it's like, to me, it's hard for

1125
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: me not to but we've always seen this dance every

1126
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: year with Penn State and they can't win the big one.

1127
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't really know it's hesitancy, but they have such

1128
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: a big advantage over the other teams right now preseason

1129
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: in college football.

1130
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: Well, their schedule is kind of a joke, right, they

1131
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: got Oregon, Ohio State, they got they get Oregon at

1132
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: home and they go and so I would say, worst

1133
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: case scenario, they're probably ten and two if they win

1134
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: one of those games, they I mean there's a chance

1135
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: they're undefeated. Like they're their schedule so like relative to

1136
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: the some of the SEC schools, their road, it's got

1137
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: a little Clemson vibe to it where it's actually an

1138
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: easier road at the end. You just you're not as

1139
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: beat up. There's not like, oh they've got an off week,

1140
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: We're playing Texas A and M. Like they're off weeks

1141
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: like Indiana, Like they're gonna fucking blast those guys, even

1142
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: if Nebraska's better, Like huge advanced Rutgers Michigan State. I

1143
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: was a tough, physical game, but like Northwestern, you know

1144
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: U c l A. Nico, Like they're gonna be favored

1145
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: by double digits in all these games. So, I mean

1146
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: they their first to get Nevada FIU Villanova is what

1147
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: they got leading into Oregon. So I think from a

1148
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: roster standpoint, they feel like a lock. Like you guys

1149
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: last year once you lost to UH who'd you lose

1150
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: to Ball State or something Illinois. Yeah, I think you

1151
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: have to like drop the ball so bad to even

1152
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: put your your playoff spot in a precarious situation because

1153
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: of your schedule. Like Penn State is just kind of

1154
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat, Like I'd be stunned if they're

1155
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: not in the Big Ten championship game. And so then

1156
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: there you're just sixty minutes away from you're in the

1157
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: you're in the championship game in the SEC or the

1158
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: Big Ten, you are a lock if you win that

1159
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: game to get a bye, right, So you you get

1160
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: to that game, you are sixty minutes away from having

1161
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: a bye, and then factor in their schedule, it's like

1162
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: can you win three games? Then then it just comes

1163
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: down to I do think getting the monkey off your back.

1164
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Oregon will still be ranked pretty high even if they

1165
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of have a down year like a but winning

1166
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: the Oregon Ohio State game for James is big going

1167
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: into the player winning one of those two games, right,

1168
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: because if they don't and they lose the Big Ten

1169
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: championship game, they're like a wild card teams Like I

1170
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: don't know, he beat SMU and Boise last year, but

1171
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: like if somehow he's undefeated and won both those games,

1172
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: I think not that the pressure would be you could

1173
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: argue the pressure would even be amplified, but at least

1174
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: we'd have seen him win some big game. Winning at

1175
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State would be really big for the way we

1176
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: talked about them going into it, because their quarterback now

1177
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: is a ton of experience. Right he played, I mean

1178
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: he played a lot better with his new OC last year,

1179
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: but the game he had against USC obviously, you know,

1180
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: playing Oregon in the championship game, playing that Ohio State game,

1181
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: which they they probably should have won if they don't

1182
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: screw up at the goal line. But like he comes

1183
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: in this year, we feel good about the quarterback. Like

1184
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: you said, they add some wide receiver, their running backs

1185
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: are both back. Defensively, they're gonna be sweet. They're gonna

1186
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: be super well coached. So it's like people get hard

1187
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: on James. James, like because of the budget, they have

1188
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: higher suite, you know, two elite coordinators, Like these guys

1189
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: are two of the better coordinators in the league. And

1190
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: he's really good at the raw raw like he's really

1191
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: good at his gig. For whatever reason, do they get

1192
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: a little tight do something happen in those big moments?

1193
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: Are they not quite as buttoned up? But he's pretty

1194
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: freaking good, you know, Like he's like he's kind of

1195
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: not done this from scratch. But you could argue, and

1196
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, you just hate Ryan Day. Ryan

1197
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: Day did take over a program that was handed to

1198
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: him from Urban Meyer that is also historically one of

1199
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: the best programs in the history of college sports. Right

1200
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: any any sport, like you win at Ohio State, Penn

1201
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: State could be just a little up. I mean, they

1202
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: had Joe forever, but it's like he took over after

1203
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien some weird situations, Like he's done a really

1204
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: really good job and they're not like just rattling off

1205
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: national championships either, Like this isn't Alabama, this is a

1206
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It's a really good program. I'm high on him.

1207
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: I think I think they can. Like he's almost like,

1208
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: is it safe betting on them before they do it?

1209
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Just let him do it first. Like is Tommy Fleet

1210
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: would ever gonna win a golf tournament? Well, he probably

1211
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: will one of these days, but I'm just done betting

1212
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: on it. I do think Penn State, like this team,

1213
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: especially when you factor in the schedule, there's an element

1214
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: of randomness a little bit. Do you agree, like with

1215
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: the way the playoffs are now with attrition and guys

1216
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: getting injured, so you never know, but they're as set

1217
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: up as anybody this year. Yeah, I agree.

1218
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: I think we kind of overthink sometimes too. I think

1219
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: Ohio State, even last year, the cloud over Ryan Day

1220
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: can he win the Big one two was on him

1221
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: and even Jim Harball before he could even beat Ohio State.

1222
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: Like that same narrative kind of passed through to James Franklin.

1223
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: And I think people hate on James Franklin too because

1224
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: he likes to talk like you see him in these

1225
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: press conferences and that press conference he had with Marcus

1226
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: Freeman talking about how Notre Dame should be an independent right.

1227
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: To his face when he's ready to creep, because that's

1228
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: what he's like, an old school personality. Yeah, Bobby Bowden

1229
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: like I'm a CEO, I'm a recruiter, I'm the personality.

1230
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: Mark Freeman's like wants to scheme you on the whiteboard, right,

1231
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Saban was kind of the best of both worlds. But

1232
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: James Franklin is like in the nineties. I'll be the

1233
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: best recruiter in the cut a little what Eddie Oh

1234
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: was for a brief moment for LSU. I do think

1235
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you if you had to bet your month's

1236
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: salary on neutral site Clemson versus Penn State. As we

1237
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: sit here right now, how you're taking.

1238
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm taking Clemson close, but I mean Penn

1239
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 2: State up front, like that defensive line.

1240
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: Just thinking about them against Club Nick.

1241
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I would trust Clemson just based on the fact that

1242
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: their receivers are all returning from last year. They got

1243
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot of returning production that have played with Club

1244
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: Nick and in the scheme versus like Penn State, they

1245
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: still have three transfer wide receivers. You got a new

1246
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: tight end, so I think it's gonna work out for

1247
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: him and the receivers. Last year for Penn State were horrible.

1248
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: But I would say Clemson neutral what about Yeah, they

1249
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: have more boxes check going into the season. I mean

1250
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: they lost what's his name to them, Abdul Carter, who

1251
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: was one of the best players in the country. Now

1252
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: they will have, you know, reinforcements, but Clemson brings back Woods, right,

1253
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: who's an elite player like that? Is there abdual Carter,

1254
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: who most people thinks can get dredged. I would think

1255
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: that is the more successful version of James Franklin. Big personality,

1256
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: talks a lot CEO, head coach, offensive background, wide receiver guy,

1257
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: but really like he's walking around practice, not with a group. Right,

1258
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: his coordinators run the show. When Dabble had sweet coordinators

1259
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: back in the day, Venables, Tony Franklin, they kicked at

1260
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: he recruited, They beat the shit out everybody.

1261
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: Right then they went through some tough spots. Now he's

1262
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: got Lincoln Riley's brother and they were viewing pretty good.

1263
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: James Franklin, same deal. I don't think it's crazy if

1264
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: we look back in five years, James Franklin finally wins one,

1265
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: we talk about him like one of the best coaches

1266
00:59:49,480 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: in the country.

1267
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of Lincoln Riley, you think he can ever win

1268
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: in the Big ten? You think this is gonna be

1269
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: one of those things that the buyout's so big they

1270
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: haven't a twenty twenty six recruiting class to the number

1271
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: one recruiting class. But it feels like, I don't know

1272
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: what's your what are your overthoughts just on Lincoln Riley

1273
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: and USC I.

1274
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Speaker 1: Can be a pretty big hater on this situation because

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: I think that where you're from and where you're coaching

1276
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: college matters. Like James Franklin's from Pennsylvania, it fits. Kirby

1277
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: Smart played at Georgia. Southern guy fits at Georgia. Before

1278
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: you even win or lose a game, like, people want

1279
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: to like you. Right, Rich Roderriguez going back to West Virginia,

1280
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: he's our guy, you know, uh, the guy when Chris

1281
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: Peterson went to Washington. He's a West Coast guy, intellectual

1282
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: that school. It just fit. This is a weird fit.

1283
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: You got a dude from Texas right coaching at LA

1284
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: not winning. I heard Klatt say this, you gotta be

1285
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: pretty careful because I always like touchshit when Colin would

1286
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: come on big USC guy and I was like, what

1287
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: is going on? This is a joke. A lot of

1288
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: their losses last year actually weren't that bad in terms

1289
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: of like they weren't getting blown out. They lost crazy games, right,

1290
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: They lost crazy games that they should win. Penn State

1291
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: Aller and Tyler Warren pulled plays out of their you

1292
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: know what to win that game. Minnesota all Time epic meltdown.

1293
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: You were telling me, I'd forgotten about this game, like

1294
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: they were. They could have beat Notre Dame right Michigan too.

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: I mean Notre Dame was that he threw two back

1296
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: to back pick sixes, and the Michigan game, Kilel Mullings became

1297
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: a superstar, had that like eighty yard touchdown and they

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: came back on that game too. I just wonder just

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: the whole brand of Lincoln Riley just defensively stars, defensive coordinator,

1300
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: and like, what what are we gonna see? And then

1301
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: I like the receivers, but the quarterback isn't like what

1302
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: he's had in the past. I mean even Miller Moss

1303
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: like had a bigger name because we saw him in

1304
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: the Holiday Bowl. Now, I guess USC did beat am

1305
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: M in the Bowl game. Whatever you want to take

1306
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: that with a grain of assault or whatever. But I

1307
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: just think for me, they lost so many games.

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01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: I would all those all the A and M guys

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: did not play.

1310
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true, that is true. It just for me,

1311
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: I think Dave had the hardest transition in the Big ten.

1312
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: And I think, like saw Greg mclroy has that USC

1313
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: is like a top fifteen team, and maybe he knows

1314
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: more in depth about this team. But they're one of

1315
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: those teams that I know there's a lot probably for

1316
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: you in college football that's like I'll be on your side,

1317
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna just show me before I can be

1318
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: on your side.

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Speaker 1: This season for USC, I would say this about USC.

1320
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: I think Danton Lynn, who is Anthony Linn Sons their

1321
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. He's really good. And you see that quote

1322
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: he had within the last couple of weeks where he thought,

1323
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: now he's Big ten guy. He said he thought the

1324
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: Big Ten, because he had coached at Baltimore, was the

1325
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 1: closest thing to the NFL, you know, trying to hype

1326
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: up the Big ten. If you saw their team picture

1327
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: like a week ago, I've forgotten about this. Rob Ryan,

1328
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: you got that long white hair, big fat belly. Gotti

1329
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: is on the staff. So I think defensively they actually

1330
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: could be pretty good. And you know, I think the

1331
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: major question mark is the quarterback, but like that is

1332
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: usually Lincoln and the quarterback, they will figure it out.

1333
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: I think there is a lot of you know, LSU.

1334
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: I think this is kind of the Big Tens. LSU

1335
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: like the hype was an even more because ultimately didn't

1336
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: LSU want Lincoln Riley, and he basically chose USC over LSU.

1337
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, Lincoln, I mean I don't need

1338
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: you to go twelve and zero, but can you can

1339
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: you go like ten and two and have a couple

1340
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: of big wins. I have to look at their schedule,

1341
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: but I can you? Can you just win a game?

1342
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: That part of being a like a legendary coach or

1343
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: a guy that's really highly paid is you gotta win

1344
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: some games. Sometimes people don't think you're gonna win. And

1345
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: I just feel like Lincoln Riley, like Missouri State, I

1346
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: mean their schedule, Georgia Southern like what a joke? Perdue?

1347
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: But like can they beat at Illinois? Can they beat Michigan?

1348
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: Can they beat Notre Dame? Can he beat Oregon? Is

1349
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: he gonna win? Can he win two? Can he go

1350
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: two and two in those games? Nebraska?

1351
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another team that's like kind of in that

1352
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: tier two in the Big Ten that can they get

1353
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: over the edge. But one last topic and then we'll

1354
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: get into Everyone loves these predictions, love college football big

1355
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: season predictions, but has your perspective runner up Notre Dame

1356
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: magical season?

1357
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: Right?

1358
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean they lose to NIU, they make they win

1359
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: four or win win three games. They beat Indian and

1360
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: they beat Georgia and they beat Penn State. Has your

1361
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: perspective on them changed in the fact where it's always

1362
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: been this notion of Notre Dame can't win the big one,

1363
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: Like Notre Dame can't win the big one.

1364
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Speaker 1: They're independent. Now.

1365
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: I heard you and Coward talking about this maybe a

1366
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, but it almost feels like Notre

1367
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: Dame set up in this new era of college football

1368
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: that they have the biggest advantage.

1369
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman's a young coach. Obviously, the academics are great there,

1370
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: they recruit well, you can set your schedule all to

1371
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: see a p money that they get throughout the entire

1372
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: playoff goes to them. Like it just feels like for

1373
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: Notre Dame CJ.

1374
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: Carr quarterbacks can be a big question mark, but this

1375
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: whole notion like could Notre Dame be I mean, I

1376
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: don't know your perspective. You're a callegie gay, maybe you

1377
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: hated Notre Dame growing up, but it feels like Notre

1378
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: Dames kind of be more likable and they're every year

1379
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: top five team.

1380
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: National champion team.

1381
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: Like, I think they're kind of another team to me

1382
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: that their schedule is harder this year. I mean they

1383
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: got Miami and m at Arkansas Boise State. So I

1384
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: just think for me, like I think they have a big, big,

1385
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: biggest advantage in college football where they're set and now

1386
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: you see the SEC is going to schedule a one

1387
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: quality game of year, so there they don't have to move,

1388
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: they don't have to move, and then there's no pressure

1389
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: for them to move. It just feels like this next

1390
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: five year window maybe ten year window is like that

1391
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: next team that could win it.

1392
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh clearly he's a He's an excellent

1393
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: coach slash recruider. He's like kind of what you want

1394
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: in the guy running your operation. You know. I think

1395
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Nick Saban Kirby that they are the best

1396
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: of both worlds. They can relate with the young guys,

1397
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: so they can be the leade recruiter, but you can

1398
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: get him on a whiteboard and they can dominate. And

1399
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: that's what I would say Marcus Freeman, and there's just

1400
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: like an authenticity to him where it's just like okay,

1401
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: you kind of see it and you could see like

1402
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: he was a little uncomfortable when James Franklin like wouldn't

1403
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: shut up, like he doesn't want there's not a lot

1404
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 1: of fluff to him, Like Saban could bes a little

1405
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: bit more like Chris Peterson's a good example, Like Chris

1406
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: Peterson wasn't really into the BS stuff, you know, like

1407
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: ed Ojeon was all BS. I don't mind my coach

1408
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: being seriously serious and clearly Notre Dame kind of got

1409
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: a David Ja vibe to him. But David was an

1410
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: offensive guy. This guy's a defensive guy, so there's a

1411
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: toughness aspect to him. But I just think their talent,

1412
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: like Jeremiah Love, what if he's the best running back

1413
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: in the country. So if you're the best running back

1414
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: in college, you're usually going for like I'm close two

1415
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: thousand yards. You just handled the ball NonStop. And remember

1416
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: we were talking about last year defensively, some of their

1417
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: young talent was like damn, who's that guy. It's like, oh,

1418
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: that's Brian Young's kid. Oh's and so it's like you're

1419
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna have guys on their roster because they're transfer portal,

1420
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: they probably operate a little bit differently. Fair to say

1421
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: than like Alabama, Ohose State, or maybe they're like they're

1422
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: like Georgia will they'll plug and play.

1423
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: They only add like eight guys, so they added like

1424
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 2: a couple receivers this year, like a Virginia's receiver who

1425
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: had back to back eight hundred yard years, like he

1426
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: could be their receiver room could be more dynamic down

1427
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: the field versus before they are running offense Jadarion Price,

1428
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: you know their offensive line is gonna be set.

1429
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: And they're a team too that I know. Texas and

1430
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: Sarkigan talked about this too.

1431
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: With the amount of games you're playing, like you've got

1432
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: to play probably a lot of guys too, deep guys,

1433
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: especially on defense, And they were dealing with injuries last

1434
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: year and you watch them play, you would not know

1435
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: watching notre name last year that they dealt with Their

1436
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: starting quarterback who got drafted to the Buccaneers was out

1437
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: for the majority of the season. They had a true

1438
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: freshman who was the best cornerback in the country step in.

1439
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: So it's like them and their ability to recruit and

1440
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: also play guys early. That's why they're able to keep

1441
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: all these guys around. Like I think that's one thing

1442
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: too they're so young, but they keep this retention throughout

1443
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: the couple of years. You're not losing guys. Notre name

1444
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: is obviously a powerhouse. Like it just seems like to me,

1445
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: like they just have such a big advantage. And to

1446
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: your point about all the former players, like that is

1447
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: his kids there, Plicycle Burst his kids a freshman.

1448
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: That makes me feel old, Like I kind of feel

1449
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: like you.

1450
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: It's like all these all these guys you watched up,

1451
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: you watch your whole life in the NFL. Their sons

1452
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: are going Larry Fitzgerald's kid's gonna be there next year. Like,

1453
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: I just think things are moving in a great direction

1454
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame, and I think people are starting to

1455
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: this whole narrative. Like I keep mentioning it win the

1456
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: big one and that they're the most hateable team in

1457
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: college football, the becoming likable and they got their own

1458
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 2: TV contract with NBC.

1459
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, money's not gonna be an issue. I

1460
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: one thing with their you know Riley last year, I

1461
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: remember that first game against Texan and a like he

1462
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: just doesn't throw up very well and throughout the whole season,

1463
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: like he's not a great throw over the football and

1464
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: just look at his numbers through twenty one touchdowns. He

1465
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: ran for seventeen, so basically brought to the table thirty

1466
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns. So I would imagine CJ. Carr in theory

1467
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: better thrower of the football. But Riley Leonard and the character,

1468
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: the leadership, people love the guy. You know. I was

1469
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: out on him early, and then as the season went on,

1470
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: he clearly got better. I got you know, transfers. I

1471
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: think sometimes it's unfair the way we judge you. That

1472
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: same with Will Howard. By the end of the season,

1473
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: they were way more comfortable and way better. They're honestly

1474
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: kind of similar trajectories. Early on, you're like, what's going

1475
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: on here? And by the end, you know, Will throws

1476
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: the ball or did in college way better than Riley.

1477
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: But by the end, Riley was a legitimate starter in

1478
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: college football. But he just brought so much to the table. Yeah,

1479
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing him to Tim Tebow. Tim's a better

1480
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: college player, but like running and passing, you know what

1481
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: Lincoln had forever with like Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts.

1482
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: That's a pretty like thirty eight touchdowns a lot from

1483
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: your quarterback. And like you said, the schedule's harder. I mean,

1484
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: they feel good about CJ. Carr accounting for that many scores.

1485
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of those touchdowns too, are going

1486
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: to go towards Jeremiah Love. I think air I Love.

1487
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he could have what Gent had

1488
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: at Boise Stand. I'm not saying like Love's gonna have

1489
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame, but it feels like if he has

1490
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: some type of one of those like overhaul monster rushing

1491
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: seasons at a big program like Notre Dame, like he

1492
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: could be a Heisman guy when we transition to like

1493
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: bets to look at he's plus twenty eight hundred, Like,

1494
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: that's another guy, a non quarterback. Notre Dame is gonna

1495
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: play a lot of big games. They're obviously gonna hand

1496
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: him the ball off and they have a second running back,

1497
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: so maybe that might hurt his carries and his stats

1498
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: compared to like some other running backs. But he's another

1499
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: guy to me that I think he's just gonna have

1500
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: a breakout season like that. Dude's just phenomenal to watch.

1501
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight to one, I do if, I mean,

1502
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: do you expect Notre Dame to be in the playoffs

1503
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: this year? I do. I do. I think it's a

1504
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: two it's a two game season.

1505
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: But I hate when people have that mentality because either

1506
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: they beat Miami, they beat A and M and then

1507
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, maybe they get sniped by

1508
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: Arkansas or like luckily this year they don't play a

1509
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 2: MAC team, thank god, because a MAC team or a

1510
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: Marshall like that's like Notre Dame's pass or like that's

1511
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: what they're really bad at. But I do expect them.

1512
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: They control their own destiny too. They're they're independent. You

1513
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: set your schedule, you don't have to worry about a

1514
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: whole conference.

1515
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: Like Oklahoma this.

1516
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: Year, Like they have a really hard schedule. They lose

1517
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 2: three games. They're how are they not in the playoffs?

1518
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1519
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: That's like they but they got dealt a bad hand

1520
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: Devin Florida versus like Missouri this year. Missouri has a

1521
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: really easy schedule again, but their team's just horrible. So yeah,

1522
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: to me, if Notre Dame's gonna be good, which I

1523
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: think they're grown to be, he's got to be an

1524
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: out of lock your best offensive player. He's gonna put

1525
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: up huge numbers, doesn't mean he's gonna win the Heisman. No,

1526
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: but like going in the quarterbacks around the country are

1527
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: kind of like a coin flip, right, You just don't

1528
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: know what you're gonna get or the team's gonna be.

1529
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, lsu ness Meyer, you could tell me he

1530
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: wins a Heisman. You could also tell me they win

1531
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: a games. You know.

1532
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: So it's like I was gonna say, like, don't you

1533
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: feel like too with the quarterback Heisman race, it's you

1534
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: don't really know until, as you say, like the games

1535
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: they remember played in November, you kind of have to

1536
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: base it on like what the team is going to

1537
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: be in November. Like that, that seems like the majority

1538
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: of the voting is versus like if Club Nick goes

1539
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: crazy Week one or even like Cam Warred went off

1540
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: against Florida and people had him as the highest mean,

1541
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna win the Heisman, blah blah blah. And then

1542
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: as the season kind of progresses on, Miami starts to lose,

1543
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: Hunter starts to go up. Like if you're a better

1544
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: on quarterbacks, like I don't really know what you kind of.

1545
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: Would go, but I don't and I don't feel good

1546
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: to me. Travis Hunter is a good example who is

1547
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter that you know, beside Jeremiah Love, which I

1548
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: think he would fall into that category. A guy last

1549
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: year's skill position who's gonna put a big numbers, that

1550
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: has momentum coming into the season. Travis had the dual

1551
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,839
Speaker 1: position thing. But like you would say, the what Ryan Williams,

1552
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: you would say, Jeremiah Smith, a guy like that, We're

1553
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: already talking about momentum coming into the season. If they have,

1554
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, one of those two wide receivers, they're team suite.

1555
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: They score twenty touchdowns and have eighteen hundred yards. They're

1556
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: they're at minimum at New York right, they're there. So

1557
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: it's like I would say those two Jeremiah Love again,

1558
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: you don't quite know. Jeremiah Love to me is more

1559
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: of a sure thing than those two wide receivers because

1560
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks, who knows, you know, it just could get weird.

1561
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith too, I think he's like plus eleven hundred

1562
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 2: eleven to one. Is is arch Manning and Heisman betting

1563
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: kind of like Scotty Scheffer, where it's like you kind

1564
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: of gotta go now because it's odds aren't gonna as

1565
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: odds are gonna continue to go low We're like, if

1566
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: theybe in Ohio State, you know the sportsbooks are gonna

1567
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: have him a plus two fifty and they the other way.

1568
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: What if they lost like twenty to ten and he

1569
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: doesn't look that good and people get out. He feels

1570
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: a little like the Cowboys or the Lakers or something

1571
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: preseason where they're just such a sexy team people bet them,

1572
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: even it's not even based on like, you don't need

1573
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: Kobe and Shack to get Laker bets right, people are

1574
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna bet the Lakers. The Raiders were like this for

1575
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: a while fan base. So it's just to me, he's

1576
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: just the great unknown. I wouldn't bet arch Manning having

1577
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: never watched him play.

1578
01:13:49,400 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: Really, you got any big season college football predictions bets

1579
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: that you like? I know you did this for the

1580
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: NFL a lot too, but college football obviously, I think

1581
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: there's some nuggets.

1582
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: But I'm curious to hear you know, your thoughts before

1583
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, I think the best value for national

1584
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: championship are just going to be Penn State and Clemson.

1585
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: Given their route, I think it's a lot harder. I

1586
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: know Josh Pate likes Alabama, but their route is just

1587
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: a lot harder, and I'm a Kaalin debor guy. I

1588
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: think clearly it could he gets Ryan Grubb back, they

1589
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: could be good. That conference is really really hard. I'd

1590
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: say the same thing for Texas, who seems like a

1591
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: no doubt about it elite team. It's just that conference

1592
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: is really really difficult. And you look at Penn State,

1593
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: you look at Clemson, it's like, specifically Penn State, I mean,

1594
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: look at that. I mean LSU Week one, I mean,

1595
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe get a couple of guys injured against them, right,

1596
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Penn State, it's like they're

1597
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of cruise. So to me, that's much

1598
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: easier to be, like peaking at the end of the season,

1599
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: right and being healthier. I would say my the biggest

1600
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: prediction in college football is that John Gruden will be

1601
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: coaching in twenty twenty six in college and I would

1602
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: be stunned if it's not the SEC. And I think

1603
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: the two sexy teams would be Hugh Freese getting fired.

1604
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: Auburn would be interested, Arkansas, which has huge money, would

1605
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: definitely be interested. But to me, like LSU and Florida,

1606
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: like John Gruden's no dummy. Like if you had the

1607
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: opportunity to pick of all the teams that it would

1608
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: be open, you'd rather go to LSU or Florida than

1609
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: Arkansas or Auburn. It just gets to you there is

1610
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: a path for Florida to be good right because of

1611
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and LSU financially just might not be able

1612
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: to buy him out. But I think that John Gruden

1613
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: will be coaching in the SEC, and I guess you

1614
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: could throw Florida State if they have a disastrous season.

1615
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: So I at Florida State is essentially will be sooner

1616
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: than later an SEC program. He will be coaching in

1617
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: the South college football because I don't think he's ever

1618
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: coming back to the NFL. But you watch him with Georgia,

1619
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: the way he talks like I think he's no Dumby,

1620
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: Like he's not gonna get another NFL JO. I mean,

1621
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: the lawsuits going on. I can't even keep up with

1622
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on there, And I just don't

1623
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: think anyone's gonna hire him. But the college football one

1624
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: million percent will. And I think the Southern teams too,

1625
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: like Hugh Freeze was like banging hookers or whatever. They

1626
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:22,520
Speaker 1: don't didn't care Petrino if these football programs in college

1627
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: do not care. And the other thing is John's always

1628
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a money whore, like ten years,

1629
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: one hundred million. That's what the Raiders had to get

1630
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: him to come out from money and never like he

1631
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: likes his cash. The SEC's got big money. So I

1632
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: would say, my bigg, I don't who knows college football.

1633
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: You could convince me like ten different teams win the

1634
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: national championship, make the playoffs. That's a great part about it.

1635
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: John Gruden will be coaching in twenty twenty six college football.

1636
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: I like that prediction.

1637
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: I think for me, my biggest prediction for this season,

1638
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 2: I think Texas saying you get about plus twenty two hundred,

1639
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 2: which isn't the greatest odds, but I think for the

1640
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 2: College fmball playoff.

1641
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Right now, you look at the odds for draftkams, about

1642
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: fifteen teams are like minus.

1643
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: You have like the plus one OA plus one eighty

1644
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: teams like the LSUS or the Old Misses right in

1645
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: the middle. I think plus two twenty. I think Texas,

1646
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: A and M can make the playoff this year. I

1647
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: think SEC. You talk about one score games last season

1648
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 2: for the College ftball playoff. Ole Miss doesn't lose to Kentucky.

1649
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 2: Alabama doesn't lose to Vanderbilt Oklahoma in one of those games.

1650
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: I think the SEC could have got five teams into

1651
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: the College Fotball Playoff versus the whole.

1652
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: Indiana and the ACC getting two teams.

1653
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: I think A and M with Marcel Reid, this is

1654
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: a guy that was splitting reps last year, duel threat guy,

1655
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 2: kind of an underrated passer.

1656
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: They went in the portal and they got NC State's

1657
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: best wide receiver. I think people forget Elko was one

1658
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: win away.

1659
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: They should have won that game against Texas last year

1660
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,959
Speaker 2: for going to the SEC Championship and making the playoff.

1661
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: So my Bowl prediction would be I think A and M.

1662
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 2: They picked eighth in the SEC media pool. I they

1663
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: got at Notre Dame, at LSU, at Texas, they can

1664
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 2: win every other game to win two out of those three,

1665
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: and LSU in October they could be, you know, panic mode.

1666
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 2: They could already have two losses where they're not as

1667
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: great as team as they were in the back end

1668
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 2: of the season.

1669
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: At Texas obviously will be tough.

1670
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna be at that Notre Dame game,

1671
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: So again, I think if they can win two of

1672
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: those three games.

1673
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: I love Marcel Reid.

1674
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: You know Elco is gonna get the defense, right, I think,

1675
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: to me, my Bowl prediction, my big prediction would be

1676
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: A and M to make the playoffs.

1677
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: This year, I got one. I've just looked at the

1678
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, you know, which is obviously a tough cut,

1679
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: fun conference, fun conference. I do think the heavy favorite

1680
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,520
Speaker 1: last year was Utah because they were coming off dominating

1681
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve. They had become them and du

1682
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: bores last couple of years with Washington in Oregon like

1683
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: unequal like they had passed USC last year. Their quarterback

1684
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: situation was a disaster, but Kyle Whittingham is one of

1685
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: the best coaches in the country, and I just think

1686
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at their schedule right now, you can

1687
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: get them six to one to win the conference. And

1688
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: unlike you know, the the SEC and the Big Ten,

1689
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: even the ACC, like Clemson is probably gonna at most

1690
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: one ACC loss, potentially undefeated, like you might be able

1691
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: to get into the conferen championship game with two losses

1692
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: in conference. I just think Utah is six to one,

1693
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: which is worse odds than Arizona State. There is not

1694
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: a soul in the country that knows anything about college

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: football that would have told you two years ago that

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Speaker 1: Arizona State would not only be a program a better program,

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Speaker 1: but a year later they would be favored have better

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Speaker 1: odds to win the conference. And I think at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, if Utah and Arizona State play

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Speaker 1: like ten times, like I just I'm gonna take I

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Speaker 1: like Kenny Dillingham and everything Arizona State's got going. But

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Speaker 1: Skataboo was like, I mean a generational player for the program,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm just betting on Utah. I've seen him do

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Speaker 1: a year in year out with different players, random quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and just big time dudes on defense. Like I could

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Speaker 1: see Utah all of a sudden, we look up there

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Speaker 1: ten and two and they're in the Big Twelve championship game.

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Speaker 2: Utah is fun because they're another team, Like it's here

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Speaker 2: when Arbuckle them leaving Washington State and going to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Utah did the same exact thing and got damp Year,

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Speaker 2: Devin Dampier, and there is oc from New Mexico and

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Speaker 2: damp Year is kind of that smaller five to nine

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Speaker 2: dual threat guy with a big arm, and they have

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Speaker 2: a really good offensive line, like Spencer Fano, offensive tackle

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Speaker 2: who'd be the first offensive tackle probably take in in

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Speaker 2: this next upcoming class. Like, I think Utah will probably

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Speaker 2: revert back after them having eight nine years with Cam,

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Speaker 2: rising back to when they had Tyler Huntley, that dual

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Speaker 2: threat quarterback who's.

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Speaker 1: Got a big arm. Like, I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: And you know they're gonna have a tough defense because

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Speaker 2: they have Kyle winning him. You know he's more of

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think Utah Texas techs weird because there's so many transfers,

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Speaker 2: and we saw this with Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I think Arizona State's gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Personally, they're like one of five teams that are favored

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Speaker 2: in all their eleven games this season. The Big twelve

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Speaker 2: will be interesting, But I like your call there. In

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Speaker 2: terms of value, Utah feels.

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