WEBVTT - Buck Brief - Kate Gorka and Mike Gonzalez

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Brief. On this episode, we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Kate Gorka. She's got a book out with her

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<v Speaker 1>co author Mike Gonzalez, Next Generation Marxism, What it is

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<v Speaker 1>and how to combat it? First time with this year. Kate.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to have you on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Bucks, so happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let's give me a little your background first. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't we haven't met before. I'm a fan of your

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<v Speaker 1>esteemed husband, fellow radio host Sebastian Gorka. But how did

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<v Speaker 1>you How did you come to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me a little bit about Uh? I know, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've interviewed Mike Gonzales before. Where are you? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you coming this from an academic perspective or.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no, more real world perspective? I would say so.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a big chunk of my career focused on

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<v Speaker 2>post communists. I'm in Central Eastern Europe. I went over

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<v Speaker 2>there in I started going over right after the Wall fell,

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<v Speaker 2>and I ended up living and working there for eighteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I met Sebastian, got married. We lived in Hungary

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<v Speaker 2>for about twelve years, then we moved back here. So

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<v Speaker 2>in the meantime, I also worked for the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>in the Department Homeland Security. Then I went over to Heritage.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've always been active in the conservative movement, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of focus on sort of national security, post communism.

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<v Speaker 2>And met Mike at Heritage and I just I just

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<v Speaker 2>have to mention I have a new job now too.

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<v Speaker 2>As of Saturday, I am the chair of the Fairfax

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<v Speaker 2>County GOP. I just got elected to that position.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh congratulations. Yeah, that's an important That's a battleground area, Fairfax,

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would assume, right, I mean it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>northern Virginia, right, You're like, it's like a communist strong.

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<v Speaker 2>The California of the East coast. And I really believe

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<v Speaker 2>in taking my anti Marxism fight to the ground, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe in living what I preached. So I

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<v Speaker 2>got really involved in local politics. But yeah, so Mike

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<v Speaker 2>and I came together at the Heritage Foundation. We were

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<v Speaker 2>both really interested in this topic. You know. I went

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<v Speaker 2>over to Heritage in twenty twenty we were dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the sixteen nineteen project, right Nicole Hannah Jones that The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times published telling us that we're irredeemably racist

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<v Speaker 2>as a nation. And then of course the COVID shutdowns

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's starting to see what's really being taught in schools,

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<v Speaker 2>and then of course you have May twenty one with

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<v Speaker 2>the George Floyd protests and riots, and so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and I just kept talking about this stuff and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 2>explaining to people how we got here, and we need

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<v Speaker 2>to give them tools to fight back. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>we collaborated, and it's been a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually really curious just about something you mentioned. You

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<v Speaker 1>were said you met sab Sebastian in Hungary. What years

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<v Speaker 1>were you? I just wanted to tell it what was

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<v Speaker 1>it like, you know, when you were because you were

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<v Speaker 1>there pretty close to when I assume things were just

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<v Speaker 1>getting going, getting changing. What years were you there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I went over in May of nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was there, so that was about what six

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<v Speaker 2>months after the Wall fell. I was there for the

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<v Speaker 2>first post communist elections in Czechoslovakia, and I really focused

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<v Speaker 2>on three countries. Czechoslovakia was still Czechoslovakia, Poland and Romania.

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<v Speaker 2>And over the course of a few years, I interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>about six hundred different people. So I was actually trying

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<v Speaker 2>to write a book, which I haven't yet written, not

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<v Speaker 2>that one, but I did a ton of research and

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was just an incredible time to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was so exciting. People did not believe

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<v Speaker 2>that communism was going to end in their lifetime, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was just a huge excitement. But it was also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a ton of difficulty. What do you do

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<v Speaker 2>with all these former secret police and and former communists?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a very big dilemma. So that was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what he and I worked on. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just it was a very interesting time to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It was was the was the atmosphere, the general atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>among people in Hungary after the wall came down? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it more like exhaustion and a recognition that they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what was it like escaping from prison for most people

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<v Speaker 1>or was it backflips you know the future is ours?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was it was jubilation, It was it

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<v Speaker 2>was unbelievable excitement and very very pro American. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Americans got very involved all over East central Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Europe helping with the transition. It was it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually like party atmosphere. It was very very fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Tons of expats just the world was opening up for them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It was very very exciting, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Well, I look forward to that book as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That be more one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's got to happen for sure. Tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>next generation Marxism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, you know, Mike and I you know this,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a great time doing the research for this book,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, we both found a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things that we really hadn't known before, even though

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<v Speaker 2>we're both deeply ensconced in this stuff. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's important for people to understand exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what it is they're up against today. You know, so

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<v Speaker 2>many people over the last couple of years have just

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<v Speaker 2>looked at this situation and they're saying to themselves, how

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<v Speaker 2>have we gotten to the point where we are ripping

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<v Speaker 2>down our statues, tearing down our history, undermining our our

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<v Speaker 2>founding principles, and even doing insane things like putting pornographic

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<v Speaker 2>books in kids' schools and telling children they can mutilate

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<v Speaker 2>themselves like it's it's really almost incomprehensible. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>a logical path that brought us here, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>if people understand the path, it makes more sense. It

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<v Speaker 2>will also energize them, I think, to want to fight

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<v Speaker 2>back because you then understand better absolutely how insidious it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also helps give you the tools to fight back.

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<v Speaker 2>What makes it next gen? Because that you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>always the big question.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, can I cant of pause you for one second?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to come back to you mentioned the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of progression in the pathway. I was hoping you could

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<v Speaker 1>you were telling me about the progression the Marxist conveyor belt,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, and how it's taken us to this

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<v Speaker 1>place of left wing lunacy in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the important thing is, you know, you had

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<v Speaker 2>the original marx which said the workers are going to revolt,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course they never did, right, because what kept

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<v Speaker 2>happening was the workers actually wanted to keep their jobs right,

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<v Speaker 2>and capitalism, actually industrialization kept improving conditions for the workers,

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<v Speaker 2>so that, you know, they just the revolt never happened

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<v Speaker 2>until Lenin came along, and Lenin understood if you really

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<v Speaker 2>organize and then if you also really make people feel aggrieved,

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<v Speaker 2>you can bring about a kind of revolution. So you

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<v Speaker 2>had that, you know, that whole phase. But here in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, it really did not ever take off.

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<v Speaker 2>You had smatterings of communist sympathizers, but it never went mainstream. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So there was this this next moment, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>came about in the late fifties, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't know this. Harvard University actually brought Fidel Castro

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<v Speaker 2>to come and speak to the students just months after

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<v Speaker 2>he brought about the revolution in Cuba, which it still

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<v Speaker 2>blows my mind, and you know, we wonder why Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>is where it is today. But at that point, this

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<v Speaker 2>was the development of the new left, where the thought was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the revolution is not going to come from the workers.

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<v Speaker 2>It can come from the students. The students can be

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<v Speaker 2>the locus of revolution. So of course, we saw what

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<v Speaker 2>we saw in the sixties, and it was very much

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped up with the civil rights movement. But honestly, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at what the students for Democratic Society did

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<v Speaker 2>going into our cities in the sixties and fomenting revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I would say that the sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>civil rights explosions of the sixties were really generated by

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<v Speaker 2>the radical elitist students, right, And that's a whole interesting story.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, the revolution failed right by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties. So you had the student revolutionaries kind of

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<v Speaker 2>split up in several different camps. One camp went completely radical, weather, underground,

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<v Speaker 2>right terrorism, bombings everywhere. Another group went and really organized

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<v Speaker 2>and they're still doing that and that's part of the

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<v Speaker 2>roots of Black Lives Matter. And then another group went

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<v Speaker 2>into the law schools and they said, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring about the changes that we want by changing

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<v Speaker 2>the laws. That was critical legal studies. But what they

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<v Speaker 2>ended up doing was after about twenty years, that led

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<v Speaker 2>to a whole nother phase, which was critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 2>That the people who started critical race theory came from

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<v Speaker 2>those Marxist legal scholars, but they said to them, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>enough of you white men, you're out of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>We're taking it over now. And that was critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was really nineteen And what's so fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>about this, That was nineteen eighty nine, right the year

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<v Speaker 2>we all thought that communism was dead because the Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>Wall fell into Eastern Europe, was actually in fact the

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<v Speaker 2>birth of this this new phase. And in fact, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>found this incredible newspaper article in the New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>that said, this is the year that Marxism has gone

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream in US colleges and universities. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't paying attention because we we thought it was all

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<v Speaker 2>over because of what was happening in central Eastern Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what what is the best way to describe the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of what we're seeing in this country? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>cultural Marxism neo Marxism? I know, next Generation Marxism is

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<v Speaker 1>the title of your book. But how do we describe

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<v Speaker 1>what is the ideology that somehow covers you know, transgender

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<v Speaker 1>surgery for twelve year old radical race politics and BLM,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know climate change catastrophism all, how should we

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<v Speaker 1>refer to that? You know what I mean? What's the

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<v Speaker 1>term that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is a well, honestly, that's why Mike and

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with this new term, next gen Marxism,

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<v Speaker 2>because there isn't a term out there, right, It's not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly cultural Marxism. I mean, cultural Marxism is gram Shey, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Cultural Marxism is the argument that you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>see a spontaneous revolution, so you therefore have to go

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<v Speaker 2>in and change the way people think. That's that's cultural Marxism, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's changing people's thinking. This thing, as you've identified, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we're seeing now is really unique. It's really

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<v Speaker 2>I really would put its its sort of start at

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine with the emergence of critical race theory

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<v Speaker 2>and this focus on these characteristics race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, aside from us coming up with this

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<v Speaker 2>term next gen Marxism, there really isn't another term. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to add, I do think it's super

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<v Speaker 2>important that we do include the term Marxism in this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, not everybody will self identify as a Marxist

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<v Speaker 2>who's a part of this, but one hundred percent it

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<v Speaker 2>is Marxist in its roots, and that's important to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Marxism is a politics of hate. It is the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of hate and envy and conflict, and it's so

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally Unamerican. It's really terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A friend of mine, Jesse Kelly, I think, has

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<v Speaker 1>referred to it as the religion of malcontents.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>They guess at good, pretty good description as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to come back into more of this and also

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<v Speaker 1>how we fight back, which I know is part of

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<v Speaker 1>next Gen Marxism, the book that Kate Corca and her

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<v Speaker 1>co author Mike Gonzalez have written for us. Will come

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<v Speaker 1>back into that a second. But you know, here on

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<v Speaker 1>how do we win against these neo marxistcommis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, one of the great things that we did

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<v Speaker 2>was going back and looking at history, was looking at

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<v Speaker 2>what have we done successfully in the past. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite examples was something called the Active Measures

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<v Speaker 2>Working Group. Did you ever come across that in the

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<v Speaker 2>work that you did. Have you ever heard about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I am familiar, yes, with the with active Measures? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the Active Measures Working Group was something that

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<v Speaker 2>was put together by a group of young men back

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<v Speaker 2>under Reagan, before Reagan even to fight back against what

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union was doing. And you know, we looked

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<v Speaker 2>at lessons from that and basically, you know, the important

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<v Speaker 2>things are people, you need to find like minded people.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to come together. You need to share information

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<v Speaker 2>about what's going on. No one's got, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>full vision on this, and we need to understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to find like minded people. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>come together to fight it. You have to be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to speak out against it and call it what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'll tell you what I'm seeing it

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<v Speaker 2>happening around the country. One of the great things about

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<v Speaker 2>my time at Heritage was I got to travel around

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<v Speaker 2>the country working with the different parent groups that were

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<v Speaker 2>starting to emerge back in twenty twenty twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of take back their children's education. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's incredible what's happening in this country. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually really optimistic about where we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Tell me more, you think we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to win this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do. I think the left has gone too far,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I think when they when they put the

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<v Speaker 2>when they put our children front and center on the

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<v Speaker 2>battle line, I think they made a big mistake, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I just even even people who aren't super educated

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<v Speaker 2>on this stuff, they get it in their gut that

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<v Speaker 2>this is fundamentally wrong. This is destructive. It's it's an

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<v Speaker 2>American people just you know, I have to say, like

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<v Speaker 2>I've really come to realize, I think Americans are truly

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally kind and and I'm even going to say loving

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<v Speaker 2>right and Marxism brings in this this culture of animosity,

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<v Speaker 2>of anger, of you know, being pitted against each other,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think it really goes against the American grain,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people might get sucked up into it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the majority of Americans don't. And

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<v Speaker 2>because it's gone after the children, people are rising up

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<v Speaker 2>and saying, no, you know this, You've gone too far.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to fight back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's very encouraging and important and profound insight. Before

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<v Speaker 1>I let you go, Kate, neverone should go get their

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much. Good luck with the book. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks U.