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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. On this episode, we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: to Kate Gorka. She's got a book out with her

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Speaker 1: co author Mike Gonzalez, Next Generation Marxism, What it is

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Speaker 1: and how to combat it? First time with this year. Kate.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Bucks, so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Just let's give me a little your background first. I

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Speaker 1: don't we haven't met before. I'm a fan of your

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Speaker 1: esteemed husband, fellow radio host Sebastian Gorka. But how did

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Speaker 1: you How did you come to this?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about Uh? I know, Mike,

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Speaker 1: but I've interviewed Mike Gonzales before. Where are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you coming this from an academic perspective or.

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Speaker 2: Uh no, more real world perspective? I would say so.

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Speaker 2: I spent a big chunk of my career focused on

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Speaker 2: post communists. I'm in Central Eastern Europe. I went over

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Speaker 2: So I met Sebastian, got married. We lived in Hungary

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, I also worked for the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: in the Department Homeland Security. Then I went over to Heritage.

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Speaker 2: So I've always been active in the conservative movement, you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on sort of national security, post communism.

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Speaker 2: And met Mike at Heritage and I just I just

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Speaker 2: have to mention I have a new job now too.

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Speaker 2: As of Saturday, I am the chair of the Fairfax

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Speaker 2: County GOP. I just got elected to that position.

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Speaker 1: Oh congratulations. Yeah, that's an important That's a battleground area, Fairfax,

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Speaker 1: I would I would assume, right, I mean it's it's

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Speaker 2: The California of the East coast. And I really believe

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Speaker 2: and I came together at the Heritage Foundation. We were

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Speaker 2: over to Heritage in twenty twenty we were dealing with

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Speaker 2: the sixteen nineteen project, right Nicole Hannah Jones that The

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Speaker 2: New York Times published telling us that we're irredeemably racist

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Speaker 2: Mike and I just kept talking about this stuff and saying,

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Speaker 2: to give them tools to fight back. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm actually really curious just about something you mentioned. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I went over in May of nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 1: It was was the was the atmosphere, the general atmosphere

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to happen for sure. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, Mike and I you know this,

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Speaker 2: many people over the last couple of years have just

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Speaker 2: And it also helps give you the tools to fight back.

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Speaker 2: What makes it next gen? Because that you know, that's

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Speaker 1: I want to come back to you mentioned the sort

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Speaker 1: you were telling me about the progression the Marxist conveyor belt,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the important thing is, you know, you had

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Speaker 1: cultural Marxism neo Marxism? I know, next Generation Marxism is

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Speaker 1: the title of your book. But how do we describe

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Speaker 1: what is the ideology that somehow covers you know, transgender

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Speaker 2: But you know, aside from us coming up with this

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Speaker 2: You know, not everybody will self identify as a Marxist

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Speaker 1: Yeah. A friend of mine, Jesse Kelly, I think, has

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Speaker 2: I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: They guess at good, pretty good description as well. I

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Speaker 1: how do we win against these neo marxistcommis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, one of the great things that we did

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Speaker 1: I love it. Tell me more, you think we're actually

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Speaker 1: Well, that's very encouraging and important and profound insight. Before

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