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Speaker 2: It is the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: He's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox. Normally we do our

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Speaker 2: show Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 2: We are the show before the Dan Patrick Show, and

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Speaker 2: we are normally alongside LaVar Arrington. But LaVar Arrington decided

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Speaker 2: not to do today's show.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no, don't shame him. Don't do this. What

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Speaker 3: do you mean this? This is what you guys do

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Speaker 3: when one of us isn't here.

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Speaker 2: I got listen.

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Speaker 4: We don't get into this. But he's got five kids.

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Speaker 4: They're all over the country. I got five that are young.

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Speaker 4: We're tied up with things. You're the one that would,

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Speaker 4: you know, work from two to five am every night

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Speaker 4: if if given the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only time in my house.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: We're building our family and we're we know, with our

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Speaker 4: family in the holiday.

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Speaker 3: I think that's okay.

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Speaker 2: It's the only time I'm able to speak English. So

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Speaker 2: like I'm I'm happy to be filling in here for

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you this because I know you

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Speaker 2: were like belittling the Hawaii Bowl, Okay, and I get it.

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Speaker 3: Who they played was not belittling anything. Just said, where's

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Speaker 3: the game played? And you got defensive?

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Speaker 4: Have your Rainbow Warriors coming back and winning because they're

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Speaker 4: playing essentially a home game.

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Speaker 2: And look, you know, yes, that is a home game.

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Speaker 2: And it's in front of a packed house of like

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Speaker 2: thirty five people. And look, I get all that, like

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Speaker 2: all of that is it.

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Speaker 3: Was well attended. There's a lot of Hawaiians there.

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Speaker 2: You know, Hey, interesting camrangles. I'll just I'll just put

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Speaker 2: it that way, very very interesting how they how they

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Speaker 2: present that game. But you know they're working on a

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Speaker 2: new stadium. They're working on a new stadium. A Loja

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Speaker 2: a disappointment. But I will say this, and I know

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Speaker 2: that people dismiss bowl games in general these days and say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know who cares about this. It's a goofy sponsor

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Speaker 2: and nobody wants to be a part of this, and

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Speaker 2: nobody wants to be It is kind of cool to

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Speaker 2: just have random college football games on in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the day during the holidays. It is kind of cool,

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, and I'm not even saying from a

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Speaker 2: gambling standpoint. You don't know who you're betting on, and

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Speaker 2: I get that it's an exhibition. I still like random

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Speaker 2: bowl games just thrown in in the middle of a Friday,

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Speaker 2: Like I just I like it, and I'm never gonna

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Speaker 2: not like it. And I hope that it continues on

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Speaker 2: for as long as it does, because I think there

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Speaker 2: but I'm a big fan of these random games just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we need like the bowl games to be that.

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Speaker 3: It's great. I guess like I.

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Speaker 4: Love football, I love any level of football, and seeing

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Speaker 4: like that, that's one of my favorite parts to it.

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Speaker 4: I just I think the tough thing is for where

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Speaker 4: that's what we've always known, and unfortunately for the players

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's as crazy as that sounds to admit.

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Speaker 4: That's how this works. You know, when you do a

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Speaker 3: Those and it stinks.

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Speaker 4: But it's where college foot it's now at a professional model,

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Speaker 4: So I know it. It's tough for us as fans

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Speaker 4: But this is that the adults at the table have

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Speaker 4: all made and we've we now no longer have this

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Speaker 4: the players and they're and they're utilizing that. They're getting

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Speaker 4: compensated for what they should have been compensated all along.

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Speaker 4: And I looked up further because it's funny you bring

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Speaker 4: glaringly obvious to me that becomes like the biggest issue

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Speaker 4: Like you have players who have been drafted that went

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Speaker 4: like the G League. Right, it's like coming back to

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Speaker 4: college basketball. And then that doesn't tell you this model

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Speaker 4: is completely jacked up. I don't know what does shout

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Speaker 4: out to, Uh, Brandon Whedon, Chris Wanky.

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Speaker 2: You know, they were really ahead of their time, all right,

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Speaker 2: they were really ahead of their time.

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Speaker 4: They were different, right, Like those are guys who played

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Speaker 4: It'd been like someone getting drafted in the sixth or

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Speaker 4: it doesn't work out for a year or two then

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Speaker 3: You know that's the difference.

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Speaker 4: Like, like we've never seen this and this happening in

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Speaker 2: I where did like how did this whole thing start?

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Speaker 3: This?

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Speaker 5: Like this?

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Speaker 2: It's basically banana land? Was this all part of uh?

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Speaker 2: Like covid. I was talking to my brother last night

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Speaker 2: a lot more burned time. Yeah no, uh, Antoine de Mela, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna uh he's going to be getting on.

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Speaker 3: You know. Is there anyone in your family with the

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you are looking for your

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Speaker 2: right there's like there's there's something for everybody there.

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Speaker 5: It is a real potluck.

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Speaker 2: But like if you look at just sort of where

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Speaker 2: like for his case for example, So he's going to

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Speaker 2: be getting a lot more burn time as you call it,

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Speaker 2: next year as a player because the six year seniors

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Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, wait, what like like you

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Speaker 3: I think he played seven years. He's really two way

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Speaker 2: Is this just the COVID year just through everything for

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Speaker 3: That was part of it.

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Speaker 4: But I think even with NIL once it was made

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Speaker 4: legal state by state, what's happened now is there's money involved,

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Speaker 4: and all of these players, it could be their families,

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Speaker 4: their agents, they're all trying to exhaust all efforts at

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Speaker 4: earning whatever they can while they can. And it's hard

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Speaker 4: for me to look back at that and criticize it

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Speaker 4: to me when you hear critics and people who comment

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Speaker 4: Why can't they just move on? It's like, well, if

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Speaker 4: you were getting potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to come,

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Speaker 4: you know, have your son play, or you know daughter

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Speaker 4: for that matter, maybe in some other sports, like you

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Speaker 4: to keep denying the fact that this is where the

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Speaker 4: sport was going at in every sport, whether it's college basketball,

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Speaker 4: you know, football, whatever you want to talk about, this

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Speaker 4: it's never been worse. There has never been a more confusing,

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Speaker 3: Make it in the NBA or maybe are getting paid more.

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Speaker 4: Now to come over from foreign professional leagues to playing

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And the thing that's crazy to me too, if we

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Speaker 4: everyone loves March Madness, at least maybe besides maybe not

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Speaker 4: Joel Klatt, based on some of his comments about looking

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Speaker 4: But everyone, maybe besides Joel loves March Madness and loves

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Speaker 4: the potential of Cinderell stories. What I used to love though,

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Speaker 4: you have no clue. There's it's so transient. There's so

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Speaker 4: much movement. There's guys who are there for one year.

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Speaker 4: There's guys who are you know, on different teams three

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Speaker 4: debut with a different team each year. It's actually completely

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Speaker 4: taken away from the experience of it. Yes, you have

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Speaker 4: some crazy finishes and you've got your you know, sixteen

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Speaker 4: I'm part of it. That's added a level of parody

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Speaker 4: being able for I think these tournaments and these teams

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Speaker 4: matchup against one another. Yeah, And it's just tough now

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Speaker 3: It's hard to have that consistent success.

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Speaker 4: And maybe you say, well, that's good because it creates

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Speaker 4: But is it, like, is this a world where we're

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Speaker 4: before we let it Ruin a portion.

443
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Speaker 5: Of this, you actually booked me on Christmas Eve.

444
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: I believe for this.

445
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 5: Okay, So here I am Merry Christmas.

446
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: All right, So let's let's get right into it now

447
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: that the dust is settled and the decision has been

448
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 2: made in twenty thirty, I guess is the earliest.

449
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 5: At the note, there's no guarantee of that.

450
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, where does it land with you? I obviously was

451
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: listening to you and Matt money Smith talk about it

452
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: on your show throughout the course of the week. I

453
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: think you used the word that you were disgusted by

454
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Are you surprised that it ended up

455
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: in this spoty?

456
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

457
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought, I to me, and this goes on

458
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 7: Notre Dame too to a certain degree. Either they didn't

459
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 7: start this, but to me, if you're the athletic director

460
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 7: at Notre Dame and you're the athletic director at USC.

461
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 7: And right now USC doesn't have a university president, and

462
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 7: leadership is corroded to the point where we're here.

463
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 3: But if this.

464
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Speaker 7: Is your job as a leadership position at the universities,

465
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 7: it's your job to preserve this, even if they're being annoying,

466
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 7: even if they won't give you this concession or that concession,

467
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 7: it's your job to make sure the rivalry continues. You

468
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 7: don't want to be the person that ended a centuries

469
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 7: old rivalry. You don't want to be the administration that

470
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 7: caused this kind of discord. And instead they used proxies

471
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 7: in the media and use social media and use all

472
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 7: kinds of petty tactics to go back and forth and say, well,

473
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 7: you didn't tell us about this and this college football

474
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 7: playoff report and this and that.

475
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: None of that means anything.

476
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 7: The bottom line is it was your job to preserve

477
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 7: this and your job to understand it and how important

478
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 7: it is. And the truth is, ever since Lincoln Riley

479
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 7: got the USC job, he has tried to wriggle out

480
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 7: of games that were non conference that were difficult. Last year,

481
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 7: Remember how bad they tried to get out of the

482
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 7: LSU game that they ended up winning that they played

483
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 7: in Las Vegas at the beginning of the twenty twenty

484
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Speaker 7: four season.

485
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 3: You tried to get out of that.

486
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 7: He's always commenting on how early the kick is, how

487
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 7: late the kick is if it's a Friday kick, how

488
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 7: long they have to prepare. This guy is preoccupied with

489
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 7: making sure they have winnable games all the time. That's

490
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 7: not what the USC coach is supposed to be. Maybe

491
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 7: leadership at US is corroda to the point where it is,

492
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 7: But to me, the bar is very high at USC.

493
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 7: And if you can't if you can't handle that before

494
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 7: you even coach one game there, and he was talking

495
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 7: about the Notre Dame rivalry before he even coached a game,

496
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 7: then he should not be there either. It is a travesty.

497
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 7: I don't want to hear about now that USC is

498
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 7: in the Big ten.

499
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

500
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 7: Anybody that's ever played against Notre Dame for USC, or

501
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 7: USSE for Notre Dame against USC for Notre Dame knows

502
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 7: how special it is. It's what legitimizes the rivalry. It's

503
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 7: what or USC and college football. It's what legitimizes the

504
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 7: fact that USC is even better and more shining historic

505
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 7: destiny nation on the West coast in Oregon or Washington

506
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 7: or anybody else, Ucla, Stanford cal because they played Notre

507
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 7: Dame every year for one hundred years, and that is

508
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 7: it's part of our identity. If you played at USC,

509
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 7: it's what makes it cool and vice versa. So yes,

510
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 7: I'm disgusted, and to me, it.

511
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter anymore.

512
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 7: USC should just get rid of every tradition they have

513
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 7: ever had and go with whatever's popular. Get rid of

514
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 7: the Trojan mascot and make it what is a French

515
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 7: bulldog is very popular these days, so they could be

516
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 7: the French bulldogs. Put names on the back of the uniforms.

517
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 7: Let everybody wear the stupid pink and purply shoes, do

518
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 7: the alternate uniforms. Now, just forget it, because it's honestly,

519
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 7: and I'm not saying this to be hyperbolic, it's over.

520
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 7: This is an abortion of everything that college football is

521
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 7: supposed to be. I know that a lot of it

522
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 7: has slipped through our fingers in the last ten years,

523
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 7: but USC Notre Dame was supposed to transcend that because

524
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 7: there's no conferences involved. I don't care if Notre Dame's

525
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 7: not in a conference. I don't care who else is

526
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 7: on Notre Dame schedule. I don't care whatever year circumstances,

527
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 7: whether Notre Dame needs USC more or USC needs Notre

528
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 7: Dame more. These are the stupidest arguments I've ever heard.

529
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 7: There's nobody at USC to trust leadership wise. It's corroded

530
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 7: to that level. And the fact that they've let this

531
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 7: happen is exactly like I described a.

532
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: Couple of days ago. I'm discussed.

533
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: I hope they don't do away with this new tradition

534
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 4: i'm seeing of them announcing the players signing back. I mean,

535
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 4: it's like I always felt like SC was one of

536
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: those places where you're not going anywhere else. You're either

537
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: going to the pros or you'll be there. I didn't

538
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: know they needed to announce that more attention. Yes, Yes,

539
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 4: it's been an interesting trend.

540
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see go away hopefully.

541
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: I do want to talk about this from the Notre

542
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: Dame perspective of things, because I'm not saying that they're

543
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: blameless in this instance, although.

544
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 7: They're not, because they let part of this happen that

545
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 7: they didn't start this and I don't, you know, I'll

546
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 7: understand whatever they're in their nuances are, it doesn't matter.

547
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: Well, my understanding is that they tried to play this.

548
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: They tried to do it earlier in this season, and

549
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: they wanted to continue to keep doing it as a

550
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: home and home but it seemed like sc was and

551
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 4: for whatever reason. I mean, I'm more curious to your

552
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: perspective on this, Like, if you're NBC, you've got to

553
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: be pretty ticked off right now because you're, you know,

554
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: one of the Big ten partners and you've got one

555
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: of the biggest brands, I mean arguably one that you're

556
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 4: going to be putting in your primetime slot on the

557
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: Big ten schedule probably often. And they're going behind your

558
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: back with Netflix to try to play a neutral site

559
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: game in Las Vegas or Mexico City.

560
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: And it's like that who usc notre dame to me?

561
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, no, it's not so.

562
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 7: I wonder when they should have never tried to change

563
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 7: the placement of where it is on the schedule. I

564
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 7: know that changed a little bit after a couple decades

565
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 7: after the rivalry started, it got moved to a little

566
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 7: bit earlier in October as opposed to a November November thing.

567
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 7: But that's the only time I ever moved. I don't

568
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 7: think that was necessary. I think that was stupid, and

569
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 7: I understand why Notre Dame did what they did. They

570
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 7: got tired of dealing with SC and it became a

571
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 7: relatively public negotiation and everybody's pointing fingers. Now, none of

572
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 7: this should have ever happened, and it started with Lincoln Riley.

573
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 7: And there's nobody at USC strong enough to say, who

574
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 7: the hell are you Lincoln Riley, to tell us we

575
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 7: can't do this or we can't have this. You won't

576
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 7: even be at USC in twenty thirty. So that's what

577
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 7: really drives me crazy. No, it should never have been

578
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 7: a neutral sit game where they play at the Atlantis

579
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 7: or some stupid ass thing like that. And it should

580
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 7: have never been a game in September. That's not what

581
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 7: USC Notre Dame is all about. Again, this is an

582
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 7: abortion of tradition, an abortion of history.

583
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: It is absolute and total proof.

584
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 7: To me that we've completely lost the thread of college football.

585
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 7: And I know it's been crazy the last few years,

586
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 7: and there's been a lot of riding on the Wall.

587
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 7: I never thought it would go this far, and I'm

588
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 7: really disappointed.

589
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: If they don't make the playoff, now, then what's the conversation,

590
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: because this is all about what's going to increase their

591
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: chance as USC that is of making the playoff.

592
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 5: Just think about the logic there.

593
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 7: You know, we're not going to do something that identifies

594
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 7: us as USC football, so we can maybe make a

595
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 7: college football playoff, which I would think that I.

596
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: Would think that would strengthen your case if you could

597
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: beat Notre Dame.

598
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just me. That's the thing.

599
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 7: It's like year and in year out, you never really

600
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 7: know if you need it or not. And it's just

601
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 7: not USC football to schedule Arkansas State and Missouri State

602
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 7: and Georgia Southern. I mean, yes, every once in a while,

603
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 7: but to sit here and play those teams as your

604
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 7: non con and that's what Lincoln Riley wants to do.

605
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 7: That's clearly the model. I mean, I remember Pete Carroll,

606
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 7: they played Kansas State, they'd go to Virginia. They filled

607
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 7: their non conference, they went Nebraska, Ohio State. They and

608
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 7: there was an even slimmer chance of playing in the

609
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 7: postseason for the national championship. But they went and did

610
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 7: it anyway, because that's supposed to be the mentality of

611
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 7: USC football. You play the best, you beat the best,

612
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 7: you move on to the next week. That's how it's

613
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 7: supposed to be when it works. But it hasn't worked

614
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 7: in decades. And if they make the playoff, great, it

615
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. You've lost your whole identity. I don't care

616
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 7: if they make the playoff, and what is the playoff.

617
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 7: There's gonna be twenty teams in the playoff in a

618
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 7: couple of years. So to me, it's I mean, it's

619
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 7: like cutting off your arm because there's a cool sleeveless

620
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 7: jacket that's on the market.

621
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: It's God, I've always wanted a best you know what

622
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: I mean.

623
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 7: It's just it just to me, I don't know how

624
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go forward and even talk about USC football

625
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 7: because to me, they just get rid of the band

626
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 7: and get a DJ and start playing at Bemo Stadium

627
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 7: and change the colors till whatever is really really cool

628
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 7: right now, like a like a neon pink and blue.

629
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: Just forget it. It's over.

630
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's at least good to hear fight on French Voldo.

631
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: It's good to hear former SC players like yourself, Keishawn Johnson.

632
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: There's been some others who seem disappointed by this, but

633
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: there's also some others who don't.

634
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: They seem to be okay.

635
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: With yes, supporting the decisions by Lincoln Riley and Jen

636
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: Cohen and those that be SC.

637
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 7: Those are the ones that are inside the building with

638
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley and Jen Cohen like those are the ones.

639
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 7: The few very visible USC people that are into this

640
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 7: are people that get paid by USC. It's that simple.

641
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 7: There are people on the inside that don't want to

642
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 7: lose their access to one of their revenue streams, and

643
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 7: they don't have the courage to step outside it and say, look,

644
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 7: it's this rivalry that made me famous. It's this rivalry

645
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 7: that created all the stupid stuff that I do now.

646
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 7: So it's just simply cowardice to me. And I know

647
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 7: that I don't have any friends over there, and I

648
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 7: haven't had any friends over there for a long time,

649
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 7: and it's partially because of the way I've been as

650
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 7: far as.

651
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 5: Being critical or objective.

652
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: Over the years. However you want to put.

653
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 7: It is beyond the pale, and anybody that's a USC

654
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 7: football player that played against Notre Dame and played in

655
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 7: the USC Notre Dame rivalry, took the field at South Bend,

656
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 7: stuff like that, and they can turn around and say

657
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 7: this is for the best because USC has to go

658
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 7: to Nebraska in October now or whatever. I'm sure it's

659
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 7: pretty hard for those people to look in the mirror.

660
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 7: It would be hard for me. Let's just put it

661
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Speaker 7: like that, and look, I have a relationship with the

662
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Speaker 7: USC athletic director and people like that. I don't dislike her,

663
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 7: I respect her. I thought she did a great job

664
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Speaker 7: at Washington. And there's a sad irony for me because

665
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 7: for a long time I said USC needs new blood.

666
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 7: USC needs a real athletic director who's a real administrator

667
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 7: that can make real decisions. And USC needs a covenant

668
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Speaker 7: head coach from outside of the Trojan family. They don't

669
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Speaker 7: need to keep hiring people on the inside so they

670
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 7: can keep control of their program, like Clay Helton and

671
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Speaker 7: stuff like that. And it's a sad irony that USC

672
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Speaker 7: got an athletic director that other people would have hired.

673
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 7: They got a head coach that other people would have hired,

674
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Speaker 7: which was not the case with.

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Speaker 5: Clay Helton and.

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Speaker 7: Those two people guide them out of the Notre Dame rivalry.

677
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Speaker 7: So I mean, I feel kind of stupid forever endorsing

678
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Speaker 7: them in the first place. I thought it was going

679
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 7: to be glorious when Lincoln Riley was hired, and it's

680
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 7: been the opposite. He's been almost exactly the same performance

681
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Speaker 7: wise as Clay Helton, so for a lot more money

682
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Speaker 7: and a buyout that they can't afford, and the athletic

683
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 7: director probably would have fired him if it wasn't for that.

684
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Speaker 7: But now they're in lockstep on this Notre Dame thing,

685
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Speaker 7: and it's sad. I should have never endorsed either of

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Speaker 7: them in the first place. And as far as people

687
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 7: that are around USC that are for this, they're compromised

688
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Speaker 7: by their work and their relationship with the university.

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Speaker 5: And that's fine. Everybody makes their own decisions.

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Speaker 7: But I would I would look hard at what the

691
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 7: Notre Dame rivalry did for those people and then wonder

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Speaker 7: why those people don't want to afford that opportunity to

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Speaker 7: USC and Notre Dame players in the future.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of sad and feels kind of hypocritical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, petros.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to ask you. We're talking about Matt Liiner.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 7: I don't want to see like a bitch not saying

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00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 7: his name. I mean, I know right now he's doing

700
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 7: that weird elbow thing to put his credit card on

701
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 7: the stuff from the commercial with Lady.

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Speaker 3: Oh Man, oh boy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look, you know, I mean, did I seriously

704
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 7: have to watch Brady and Matt and HD every single

705
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 7: freaking year for the last twenty years sit in a

706
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 7: theater and talk about the Bush push, only for Matt

707
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 7: Liner to show up on social media and endorse ending

708
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 7: the Notre Dame rivalry. Like am I living in Tunetown

709
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 7: and Disneyland. This is the stupidest thing I've ever like.

710
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 7: I don't expect, you know, the Paradise loss to come

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00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 7: out of Matt Leiner's Twitter, But my god.

712
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you could also make the case that

713
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: game helps Reggie Bush win the Heisman.

714
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Speaker 7: Dude, Notre Dame us. He defines Notre Dame in USC

715
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 7: that year. Every year, every player, whether whether it's nationally remembered,

716
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 7: we remember it. The guys that played. I mean, don't

717
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 7: get me started. Go ahead with your question.

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Speaker 2: It just no, none of it makes any sense, and

719
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: we kind of made the point earlier this week in

720
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Speaker 2: that it's almost like.

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00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 7: It makes sense if you start from the premise that

722
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley doesn't want to play. He doesn't want to

723
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Speaker 7: play games they might lose if you really peel back.

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Speaker 4: The layers of Lincoln Riley in general, I mean, he

725
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 4: didn't want to go to LSU. He chose SCU over

726
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: LSU because I think he knew would be an easier path.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't going to stay at Oklahoma because he didn't

728
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: think that they would have a chance to compete in

729
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Speaker 4: the SEC. This isn't pretty clear time he's ducked like

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Speaker 4: challenges or that adversity that comes with it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it started with him, you know. So the fact

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00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 7: that this started with him and then people are like, well,

733
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Speaker 7: Notre Durham said we worked on it, It's like, no, no, no,

734
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Speaker 7: this started with Lincoln Riley. The athletic director wasn't powerful

735
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Speaker 7: enough to stop him. There's no president of the university

736
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 7: right now. They don't have one. Leadership is corroded at

737
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 7: USC to the point where this could happen. This is

738
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Speaker 7: on Lincoln Riley, and it's a disgusting, terrible thing. And

739
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Speaker 7: anybody that thinks it's not is a slave to the

740
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 7: moment in college football, and they'll be changing their opinion

741
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 7: rapidly every couple weeks because that's what that's why we

742
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 7: have such a problem in college football.

743
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Speaker 5: But we have a lot of problems in college football.

744
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Speaker 7: But one of the biggest problems is look at the

745
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 7: committee for the College Football Playoff, which is just owned

746
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 7: and operated and controlled by ESPN, which I guess is

747
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 7: fine because they pay the whole thing anyway, But the

748
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 7: committee has football people on it, like coach Alt and

749
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 7: Mozelle from the Sports Illustrated, a long time very respected

750
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 7: media guy, Wesley Walls I think is on there or something.

751
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 7: I mean, Mike Riley, my old offensive coordinator. Those guys

752
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 7: are fine when you put ads on there. Now you're

753
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 7: putting politicians on there, and what a politicians do? They

754
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 7: have no backbone and they sway with public opinion. And

755
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 7: if that's your case in college football right now, it's

756
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 7: like what are you standing on You're standing on jello.

757
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: You have to have some kind of foundation, and we've.

758
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 7: Completely lost that through the TV networks control of the sport.

759
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 7: And I understand a lot of money being made. I

760
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 7: understood the move from the Big from the PAC twelve

761
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 7: to the Big ten, and the collapse of the Packed

762
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 7: ten as we knew it, and then Packed twelve, which

763
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 7: is a conference that I loved. I understood that and

764
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 7: to a certain degree defended it because I saw how

765
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 7: poorly the PAC twelve was run over the years. What

766
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 7: I'm saying is, I'm a pragmatist. I'm not just some

767
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 7: crazy old man on a hill screaming and yelling in

768
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Speaker 7: a robe and with a staff.

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Speaker 3: I am.

770
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Speaker 7: I am aware of the modern movings of college football,

771
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 7: but to me, this is beyond the pale. And there's

772
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 7: a lot of signs, like you guys have just pointed out, Brady,

773
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 7: there's a lot of signs as to why or how

774
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: this was happening. But it starts with Lincoln Riley not

775
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 7: wanting to play. And that's the bottom line. And you

776
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 7: can look at it any which way, and that's really

777
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 7: where it started and that's where it ended up. And

778
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 7: it's very difficult to accept.

779
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: Get him on X at the old p he is

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Speaker 2: Petro's Papadegas, the cost of the Petros and money show,

781
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Speaker 2: which you can hear on the blowtorch A five seventy

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Speaker 2: LA Sports, Fox College football analysts and our goodbye petros.

783
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 2: We appreciate it and we'll talk to you hopefully next week.

784
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Speaker 3: Happy to know your brother. Happy New Year to you guys.

785
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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go get a credit card machine and try

786
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Speaker 7: to that arm thing that liner.

787
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good idea. By the way, we are

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Speaker 2: discussion about at least a little bit of the playoff

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Speaker 2: picture that's been figured out in the world of football,

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Speaker 2: on FSR. But yeah, you and Petros fired up. It

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Speaker 2: is good though, to see Notre Dame in USC find

815
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: a common ground that this whole decision is just completely

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Speaker 2: ac ine.

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Speaker 3: It's bogus. It's terrible. They couldn't figure out making it work.

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Speaker 4: We talked about that, and I think that's the hard

819
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: part is this is part of the people want to say,

820
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 4: this is part of the change of college football. But

821
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: it's choices that you know, people are making, and they're

822
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: choosing to kind of forget or move past. You know,

823
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: what has been one hundred years of a great robbery?

824
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 4: What are the greatest in college football? For the sake

825
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: of the show. You know, I've always heard and to

826
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: tell my kids this all the time. Don't sacrifice what

827
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: you want most for what you want right now. And

828
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: it feels like that's the position that SE is in

829
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: because they haven't had as much success, whether it's been

830
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: the Pac twelve with Lincoln Raley with Big ten, or

831
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Speaker 4: even being a part of.

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Speaker 3: The College Football Playoff.

833
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 4: They now have you know, forsaken or you know, gotten

834
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 4: rid of what was to be one of the greatest

835
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Speaker 4: parts of being an SC football player, being a Notre

836
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: Dame football player, and they've cast it, you know, to

837
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: the wayside.

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Speaker 3: And again, you know, I'm not exactly sure I from

839
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Speaker 3: my conversations.

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00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: With Notre Dame like they were even you know, willing

841
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: to move it up in this season and do a

842
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: home and home. It seems like it was s C

843
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, was very intent on certain things. They

844
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: weren't willing to you know, budget on any of that,

845
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: which again is sad. It's sad to think that Lincoln

846
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: Rallies had that much control and he is you know,

847
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: tried to find ways out of fighting through adversity, you know,

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Speaker 4: since he's been there at SC.

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Speaker 2: Well, we won't have to worry about it. As far

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00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: as the College Football Playoff goes this year, at least

851
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: there's that you don't have to worry about the adversity

852
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: because they're not in it again, which has been part

853
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: for the course when it comes to USC football in

854
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: recent years. But we continue on here. Day after Christmas,

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Speaker 2: Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for the Dan Patrick Show

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Speaker 2: right here on Fox Sports Radio.