WEBVTT - Lab 031: Persuadables

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<v Speaker 1>The other day, I was on Pinterest and it linked

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<v Speaker 1>me to a latch hook rug. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Rug from yarn scraps. Why do you have yarn scraps?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have them yet, Okay, I was gonna get them.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make something.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, where are you gonna? Who do do

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<v Speaker 2>people purchase yarn scraps?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So you gotta knit or something and then have leftover

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<v Speaker 2>yarn and then you can make the rug.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't listen. I saw it on Pinterest. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a latchuk rug or it was a punch needle. I

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<v Speaker 1>was really liking all of those fiber arts, and I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna watch your tutorial on YouTube. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>got to YouTube, it was all presidential election twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube looked defer Rent. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Same. Every time I get on Twitter, I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>scroll like one thumb up without somebody tweeting about the election.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I just want to see tweets about versus.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see tweets about, you know, Lovecraft country.

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<v Speaker 2>I need a break from all of that. I'm TT

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Zachiah and from Spotify. This is dope Labs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a lot of information about the election, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just everywhere. I'm having an election burnout.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's haunting my dreams two more months ago. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels like an eternity away, Like twenty twenty is the

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<v Speaker 2>longest year of all time. I feel like two months

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<v Speaker 2>into election, I mean, how old am I going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in two months?

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<v Speaker 1>Forty seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely at least forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And the ads are not stopping on these different platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not stopping at YouTube, it's not stopping with people

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<v Speaker 1>tweeting stuff. I'm also getting text messages. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is not William, but the messages are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like them cities are burning, what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, what is happening? Is this about what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening in California? I don't think so, right, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting text messages from all over They're like the

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<v Speaker 2>Great State of North Carolina. I'm like, I don't live

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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody has got something mixed up along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something mixed up, and so I'll respond, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't live in North Carolina. They're like, okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>remove you from our list. Then the next day I

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<v Speaker 2>get three more text messages about North Carolina where the

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<v Speaker 2>polls are in North Carolina. Doesn't help me.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, When you just said okay, I'll remove you from

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<v Speaker 1>our list, I felt so optimistic. I picked up my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I was ready to reply to every spam message I received.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they don't remove you. They just keep going. They

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<v Speaker 2>just keep going. Today's lab is all about political ads.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically how political ads play a role in our greater

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<v Speaker 1>political behavior, and the strategies that are used to make

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<v Speaker 1>political ads. Let's get into the recitation.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we know?

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<v Speaker 1>We know political advertising has been around since American government

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<v Speaker 1>has been around.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yes, I saw Hamilton and they were definitely using

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<v Speaker 2>political ads.

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<v Speaker 1>But things have changed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because I mean when you think back to when

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<v Speaker 2>we were young, you would see, you know, political ads

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<v Speaker 2>on television, you would hear them on the radio. But

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<v Speaker 2>now with Facebook and YouTube and Instagram and all these

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, they've got a lot of different ways

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<v Speaker 2>to hit us with the political ads.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though it feels like the election season is

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<v Speaker 1>longer than it used to be, for some reason. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's because we were all at home,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like it's been politics NonStop and it

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<v Speaker 1>may feel like it couldn't be possible, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the ads are ramping up the closer and closer

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm getting to messages literally every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what do we want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to know the history of political ads

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<v Speaker 2>and how they've changed over time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm interested in the different objectives like what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this text message is going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think another important thing to figure out is

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<v Speaker 2>what actually gets people to act? So after they see

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<v Speaker 2>an ad in whatever form, what is it about the

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<v Speaker 2>ad that gets them to do something about what they

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<v Speaker 2>just saw? And what assumptions are there about how people

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<v Speaker 2>will act?

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<v Speaker 1>And then just thinking about once you know what gets

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<v Speaker 1>people to act, how are you leveraging technology? So has

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<v Speaker 1>social media given these campaigns an advantage? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>It?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there something about social media that's better than more

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<v Speaker 1>traditional forms of ads. I imagine it's more responsive than

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<v Speaker 1>a billboard.

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<v Speaker 2>But how that's a really good question, like and do

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<v Speaker 2>they work? Do political ads work? Are they changing folks' minds?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, when I see too me the ads, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>turned off. So is there a risk?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a limit? Like, yeah, do people get tired

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing the same ad over and over again? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's true for some people, But I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>got to find out. Let's jump into the dissection.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're switching things up today and we're bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>not just one, but two guest experts to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us through the complexity and nuance of political advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first guest is doctor Cheryl Laird.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Cheryl Laird. I am a professor of

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<v Speaker 3>Government and Legal Studies at Voden College.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Laired's research is based on political behavior, specifically black

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<v Speaker 1>political behavior and how that relates to public opinion. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's really focused on the consumer side of political ads.

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<v Speaker 1>How do ads affect a person's behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Our second guest is Jenna Golden. Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Jenna Golden, and I work with companies

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<v Speaker 4>and organizations that are looking to better understand how to

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<v Speaker 4>tap into the advertising ecosystem in Washington, DC. Prior to this,

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<v Speaker 4>I ran the political and advocacy sales team at Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>So while doctor Laird focuses on the receiving end and

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<v Speaker 2>the effect of political ads. Jenna Golden focuses more on

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<v Speaker 2>the advertiser side, working on things like strategy, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about those strategies and their effect

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>But first let's walk through the history of political ads.

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<v Speaker 2>Political ads have always been around, it's just been in

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<v Speaker 2>different forms. So before the invention of the printing press,

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<v Speaker 2>it was all in person, so they would get up

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<v Speaker 2>on stage and say why you should be voting for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Post the printing press, you could put up a flyer

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<v Speaker 2>that says, hey, vote for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when radio came along, it changed the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get on the radio say hey, I support Canada, X,

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<v Speaker 1>Y and Z, give all the drama, all the emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would just broadcast over the waves. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's doctor Laird.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean the advent of various technological advancements. So

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<v Speaker 3>as we've moved and progressed on our technology, political advertising

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<v Speaker 3>has been able to shift in a number of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was especially true with the boom of television

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>But really, I think the biggest step towards advertising that

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<v Speaker 3>I think we still see today, right is the visual,

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<v Speaker 3>the pairing of the visual and the audio.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty two, with television hitting the scene, Dwight D. Eisenhower,

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<v Speaker 2>who wasn't president at the time but would become our president,

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<v Speaker 2>later created a campaign of forty twenty second commercials called

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<v Speaker 2>Eisenhower Answers America, where he answered questions posed by Americans

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<v Speaker 2>about very specific issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, political TV ads have become the dominant form

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<v Speaker 1>of campaign advertising, eclipsing even social media. Here's Jenna.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look at the budgets of political advertising, you

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<v Speaker 4>will still see that the vast majority of budget is

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<v Speaker 4>spent on television ads. So it is still TV that

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<v Speaker 4>is king when it comes to the dollars. TV is

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<v Speaker 4>not measurable the way that digital is measurable.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Social media has now opened the floodgates for

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new form of political advertising. Unlike television, social

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<v Speaker 2>media advertising is targetable and measurable. So even if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to reach a very specific group of people, like

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<v Speaker 2>within a zip code or a certain age group or

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<v Speaker 2>a certain racial demographic, you can do that with micro targeting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the micro targeting that is available on digital

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, ten times deeper than what you get elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So this means each ad that is seen or an

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<v Speaker 1>ad impression theoretically has more impact because you're reaching the

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<v Speaker 1>exact group of people that you want to Doctor later

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<v Speaker 1>agrees that social media ads are a game changer, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a multitude of reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Social media is like broken the whole like space on

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<v Speaker 3>this now, right, like with Twitter and Facebook and all

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<v Speaker 3>these different in YouTube and you know, just clicking on

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<v Speaker 3>the websites, I mean, like anything now you are just

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<v Speaker 3>seeing advertising.

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<v Speaker 2>And that repeat exposure, so like across all of those

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<v Speaker 2>platforms is another thing that sets social media advertises apart

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<v Speaker 2>from its predecessors. Every click of the mouse or tap

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<v Speaker 2>on your screen is a new opportunity for a fresh

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<v Speaker 2>ad to be thrown in your face.

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<v Speaker 1>And so from a campaigner's perspective, the more you click,

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<v Speaker 1>the more I understand about you as a user of

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. This helps the campaign get down to the

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<v Speaker 1>exact target population they want to reach. And sometimes a

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<v Speaker 1>type of ad they send you depends on what stage

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign is in. Here's doctor Laird, So.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends for instance, on the target of the ad, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like what are you trying to do with your ad?

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<v Speaker 3>And so people have hired firms, people hire consultants, people

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<v Speaker 3>get focus groups together. I mean like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of money invested into how do you advertise to people

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<v Speaker 3>and what are you appealing to?

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<v Speaker 1>Jena breaks down the objectives of campaign advertise into four

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<v Speaker 1>different stages, awareness, acquisition, persuasion, and mobilization.

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<v Speaker 4>In a lot of cases, especially if it's a newer

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<v Speaker 4>candidate that people are not familiar with, it starts with

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<v Speaker 4>what we call awareness, and really the goal here is

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<v Speaker 4>let's just get out this name and this information to

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<v Speaker 4>as many people as possible that potentially are within our

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<v Speaker 4>sort of space or geography, so that we get the

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<v Speaker 4>awareness that we need for the candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So, when you think back to any type of

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<v Speaker 2>primary elections, and it always during the primaries, you see

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of new names. So when a new candidate

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<v Speaker 2>comes out and it's primary season and not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people know that person, the aim of that campaign

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<v Speaker 2>team is to get that person's name out so that

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<v Speaker 2>more folks know who they are and they recognize the

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<v Speaker 2>name when they see it.

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<v Speaker 4>But then the campaign, especially from an advertising standpoint, moves

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<v Speaker 4>to the acquisition stage. And what I mean by acquisition

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<v Speaker 4>is there are really two pieces of data that every

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<v Speaker 4>political campaign wants. One is your email address. Piece two

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<v Speaker 4>in the acquisition stage that they're working really hard at

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<v Speaker 4>is acquiring money, so it's fundraising.

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<v Speaker 1>So boom. If I know you know who my candidate is,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know who you are. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to build a huge listser of people who know my candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>like my candidate, and are willing to support my candidate

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of coins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if I see the name Zakiah Wattley and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, let me go research her website. So

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<v Speaker 2>I go to her website and I find out more

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<v Speaker 2>about her. I'm like, okay, that's cool. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>say put your email here to sign up for this

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<v Speaker 2>list serve so that or to find out any updates

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<v Speaker 2>on Zakia Wattley. And so I put in my email

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<v Speaker 2>address because I want to know more. Now they have

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<v Speaker 2>a way to target me with more of their ads.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what I did to become your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it. I was like, hmm, where have I

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<v Speaker 2>heard this name before.

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<v Speaker 4>Then it moves to persuasion, and persuasion is where you

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<v Speaker 4>really start to see the content change. This is where

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to reach people to persuade them to vote

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<v Speaker 4>for my candidate or come to my side. Oftentimes you

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<v Speaker 4>hear in the political ad world people call their target

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<v Speaker 4>as persuadables. So if I'm Joe Biden, what I want

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<v Speaker 4>to do is I want to target the people in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle that aren't sure and they have the ability

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<v Speaker 4>to be persuaded.

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<v Speaker 1>So here, if you're already team Zakiyah, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you anymore. Really, I'm not spending any

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<v Speaker 1>more money on you. I'm looking for the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are like, huh, could be Team Zakiah, could be Team TT.

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<v Speaker 1>I want those people in the middle, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to persuade them like, hey, TT's not

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<v Speaker 1>really that nice, She's just pretending. Wait. So, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most effective forms of persuasion, doctor Lay says is

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<v Speaker 1>the emotive appeal that's trying to get an emotional response.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most common emotions that ads will try

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<v Speaker 2>and in sight is fear, and one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>notable political ads that use fear as its tactic was

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen sixty four, when Lyndon B. Johnson was running

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<v Speaker 2>against Barry Goldwater.

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<v Speaker 3>The Daisy ad from LBJ where you have the little

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<v Speaker 3>girl playing with the flower and then you see the

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<v Speaker 3>large like atomic explosion go on. And this fear that's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be garnered from that ad, right, like the

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<v Speaker 3>innocence of this young woman is at stake because we

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<v Speaker 3>are in the midst of this fear of potentially being

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<v Speaker 3>annihilated by these weapons of mass destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>That is traumatizing. I can't even believe they were showing

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<v Speaker 2>that on television.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also the case during the nineteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>election between Michael Ducaccus and George Bush Senior. Here there

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<v Speaker 1>was an ad that incided fear and was also pretty

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<v Speaker 1>problematic and harmful.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we say problematic, what we mean is racist.

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<v Speaker 3>The one where they talk about Ducacus on crime and

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<v Speaker 3>they show the image of Willy Horton, right, and that

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<v Speaker 3>the furlough that was granted to Willy Horton allowed him

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<v Speaker 3>to basically go and commit another felony against a couple, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And that that was something showing that the Caucus is

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<v Speaker 3>soft on crime and that Bush would be a better

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<v Speaker 3>person to put into office. But with doing that, they're

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<v Speaker 3>also triggering onto these implicit racial appeals. Right, So they

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to invoke for a white audience, in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>this fear of the black criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a problem, right, because it's bigger than I

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<v Speaker 2>want to win this presidential election. This is influencing people's

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about black people. And I feel like it's negligent

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<v Speaker 2>to put out stuff like that. You need to focus

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the issue. You don't need to have like

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<v Speaker 2>someone as the poster child, because then you run into

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<v Speaker 2>issues where people will start to discriminate against certain people

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<v Speaker 2>that look a certain way or sound a certain way,

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<v Speaker 2>that fit the profile of the person that you're putting

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<v Speaker 2>in this political ad.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we still see traces of that to

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<v Speaker 1>this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So beyond fear, there are some other well known methods

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<v Speaker 1>of persuasion as well, like negative advertising or focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>a single issue that voters care about, whether it's war, economy,

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<v Speaker 1>or global pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>We are seeing so many ads during this election cycle

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<v Speaker 2>that touch on the pandemic. There's a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been trying to stay away from talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>pandemic and the coronavirus, but it's so hard because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a part of really everything that we're doing these days,

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<v Speaker 2>and so putting it into political ads, it definitely taps

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<v Speaker 2>into a lot of emotions that people are having.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking that persuasion right through the roof. So just a recap,

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<v Speaker 1>we've gone through the first three stages of campaign advertising, awareness, acquisition,

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<v Speaker 1>and persuasion.

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<v Speaker 4>And then lastly we have what we call mobilization or GOOTV,

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<v Speaker 4>and GOOTV stands for get off the vote. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>a big gap between people who say that they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to vote and people who actually vote, and so the

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<v Speaker 4>messaging happens in those last stages mobilization and get off

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<v Speaker 4>the vote. A lot of it is here's a reminder

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<v Speaker 4>of where your polling place is. Here's what time the

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<v Speaker 4>polling place opens. Make sure that you're there early. Don't

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<v Speaker 4>forget that your apps and tee ballad is coming. This

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<v Speaker 4>is how you mail it in. This is how you

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<v Speaker 4>make sure it gets there on time.

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<v Speaker 2>With those objectives in minds, campaigns reach out to potential

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<v Speaker 2>voters using mailers, emails, TV ads, social media ads, phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>and a whole bunch of other methods.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's really one thing to say, I like

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<v Speaker 1>this ad, I understand more about this candidate. I'm willing

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<v Speaker 1>to share my email or donate, But I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very different when it comes to actual mobilization. I think

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it takes different motives to get you out of

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<v Speaker 1>the door, to vote, out of the door, to attend

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<v Speaker 1>a political rally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the activation energy is different for different people. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just like, oh, we all are going to

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<v Speaker 2>register and we're all going to get out to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>like some of the things that folks need to do

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to feel empowered to do those those things,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot harder for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ideally everyone would be able to just drop that

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<v Speaker 1>ballot in the mail, done right, right. But I am ready.

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<v Speaker 1>While I might be burned out on the ads, when

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to vote, I am ready. Me and my

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<v Speaker 1>little Instagram stories. How will be there to cheer you on,

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<v Speaker 1>to say, hey, did you vote yet? Hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do in your state. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>use my voice to kind of help somebody over the

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<v Speaker 1>hurdle if it will even help them. I'm there to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and I think we should all be doing that. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know where your polling place is, put up

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<v Speaker 2>the link for how you figured that out, show a

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<v Speaker 2>step by step, do a screen recording, and post it.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have a friend that did that. She showed

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<v Speaker 2>how she figured out where her polling place was and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is amazing. It makes it seem

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<v Speaker 2>so easy, you know what I'm saying, And it should

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<v Speaker 2>be easy because it's the American way. Voting is a

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<v Speaker 2>part of our democratic system and we should all be

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. I'm excited to vote. I'm very excited to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm excited to get y'all energized about voting.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not already, and look out for our Instagram, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be on our website at Dope Labs podcast

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. We're gonna tell you everything you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know about registering to vote, and then when it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to vote, what you should do then too.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a quick break, and when we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk more about social media, the political ad space,

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<v Speaker 2>and how your Internet activity determines what you see.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. We're talking to two guest experts, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl Laird and Jenna Golden about the history, objectives, and

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<v Speaker 1>effects of political ads.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we said earlier, the Internet has really changed the

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<v Speaker 2>game within the political atmosphere with the rise of social

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<v Speaker 2>media advertising campaigns, and even those people not directly affiliated

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<v Speaker 2>with campaigns are able to specifically target certain voters and

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<v Speaker 2>then give them exposure to certain ads.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do social media ads target people? What criteria

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<v Speaker 1>do they use? Jenna breaks it down.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's sort of these two camps, and one is

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<v Speaker 4>information that you choose to actively share, and the second

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<v Speaker 4>is sort of informed information based on the actions and

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<v Speaker 4>steps that you take. So you'll see both are ways

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<v Speaker 4>that brands and organizations can ultimately target you.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Zakia's website because I'm interested in possibly

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<v Speaker 2>voting for her, and when I get there, I put

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<v Speaker 2>in my email address, I put in my age, I

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<v Speaker 2>put in my zip code maybe, so from there they

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of information about me, where I live,

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<v Speaker 2>how old I am, so a lot about my demographic

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<v Speaker 2>and that is me actively sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>But because tt has selected many Instagram ads, purchased many

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<v Speaker 1>embroidered sweatshirts across the web, I know a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about her, and so those are things that she's

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<v Speaker 1>not actively sharing, but those are things that I'm collecting

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<v Speaker 1>through her cookies on her website. That are describing the

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<v Speaker 1>type of person she is on the web.

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<v Speaker 2>Cookies is like leaving breadcrumbs wherever you go these website

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<v Speaker 2>you go to, you drop a few bread crumbs so

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<v Speaker 2>they know you were there. Because I mean, your cookies

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<v Speaker 2>are there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a whole bunch of data that's being collected there

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<v Speaker 3>your cookies, and in that data is information about your preferences,

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<v Speaker 3>information about your gender, information about your social identities, information

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<v Speaker 3>about your background, and now the types of ads that

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<v Speaker 3>you can get towards you will be specific in what

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<v Speaker 3>people think may be appealing to you, and that's like

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<v Speaker 3>a whole new frontier.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenna says that it's not just your demographics and online behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>that zip code tt is just as important.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of recognition of individuals and targeting individuals,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's also a lot of care that goes towards

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about the geographies in which those individuals are located.

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<v Speaker 4>Because at the end of the day, you might be persuadable,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you are a leaning Republican and you live

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<v Speaker 4>in one of the most democratic states, it may not

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<v Speaker 4>be worth the budget to focus there. Whereas I want

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<v Speaker 4>to focus on what are these key swing states where

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<v Speaker 4>I can really get the most bang for our bum.

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<v Speaker 1>They might spend a little money on you, but they'll

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<v Speaker 1>spend more in places that are battlegrounds. And when we

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<v Speaker 1>say more, we don't mean a couple hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's estimated that seven billion dollars will be spent on

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<v Speaker 1>advertising during this general election.

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<v Speaker 2>Did y'all hear that? That's billion with a beat?

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<v Speaker 1>And the bulk of that, like sixty to seventy percent

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<v Speaker 1>of it will be spent in the last ten weeks

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the election. And that's just hard money

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<v Speaker 1>from campaigns. There's also soft money from other groups and

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that are campaign adjacent or want to see a

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<v Speaker 1>certain candidate win. They're spending money too. That's so much money,

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<v Speaker 1>But money isn't the only thing that's getting out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing that's out of control is political misinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the elements that we've talked about, the unlimited funding,

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<v Speaker 2>the increased targeting technology, it all helps breed this landscape

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<v Speaker 2>where it becomes impossible to know what's fact and what's

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<v Speaker 2>not and what Doctor Laird says, one misinformed match can

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<v Speaker 2>create a huge fire.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that That's the thing to think about

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<v Speaker 3>with misinformation as well, is that it's dangerous because it's collective, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is not just one individual, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a bunch of people all kind of starting

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<v Speaker 3>to agree and it doesn't take much to convince either.

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<v Speaker 1>And where that misinformation is coming from might surprise you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenna says that the misinformation is primarily coming from organic content,

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<v Speaker 1>not paid advertising content. That means it's your own people,

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<v Speaker 1>real people, creating posts that are inaccurate, sharing them, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're spreading all around in your social network.

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<v Speaker 2>This reminds me of our episode protect to how we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about how virus spreads, like how it can just

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<v Speaker 2>hijack everything as soon as it's introduced to a new hostel.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly how the misinformation is spreading.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you take that information and put it in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of these conversations about regulation of information on

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<v Speaker 1>social media platforms. We've all seen Mark Zuckerberg on CSPAN

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<v Speaker 1>or if you think about Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all trying to do something different. You can pull

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<v Speaker 1>down the ads, but that doesn't change the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So how are social media companies stepping up what are

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<v Speaker 2>they doing to combat the spread of misinformation?

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<v Speaker 4>So now what Twitter has done over the last few

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<v Speaker 4>months has started to essentially place labels on pieces of

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<v Speaker 4>content that are tweeted out that could be misinformation. And

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<v Speaker 4>why it's so notable is because we all know that

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<v Speaker 4>while Twitter is the smallest, it has the largest megaphone,

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<v Speaker 4>and it also has quite a power user, which is

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<v Speaker 4>Donald trumb who is the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter also made the decision to ban political ads all

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<v Speaker 1>together last November.

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<v Speaker 2>Other social media companies like pinterest in next Door didn't

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<v Speaker 2>allow political ads from the get go. They wanted nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with it, Like they said, no political ads

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<v Speaker 2>on this app. But for the ones that did, like Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>all those they're trying to put the toothpaste back into

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<v Speaker 2>the two.

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<v Speaker 4>When you think about the amount of content that is

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<v Speaker 4>pumping through those platforms on a daily basis, there is

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<v Speaker 4>not a way to possibly monitor all of that content,

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<v Speaker 4>definitely not manually, and as we've seen as a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of these companies have tried to monitor some of that

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<v Speaker 4>content from an AI standpoint or a machine learning standpoint

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<v Speaker 4>that often misses contacts.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook has started to put some labels on things too.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you know what I saw in response or

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<v Speaker 1>a screenshot from a group message where people were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you remove fact checkers from your posts,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you don't want your post to

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<v Speaker 1>be checked for facts, y'all just want to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That made me really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people don't want the facts. They don't want them

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<v Speaker 2>because to them, it doesn't matter what the facts are

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not what they believe. It's not what they

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<v Speaker 2>feel exactly. If they don't believe it, it is not

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<v Speaker 2>a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the other part. Not only do

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<v Speaker 1>they not want to hear the truth, I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people are not really grasping the full magnitude of what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you post something that's not true. Doctor Larrt

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<v Speaker 1>touched on this.

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<v Speaker 3>That is one of the things that is really troubling

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<v Speaker 3>about the digital social media space is that most of

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<v Speaker 3>these companies and people.

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<v Speaker 2>Have created it. I don't think have totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Processed that it can happen like that, like it can

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<v Speaker 3>happen in the snap of a finger. You'd be stunned

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<v Speaker 3>by what people are willing to do or are influenced by,

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<v Speaker 3>right do.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember pizzagate TT.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was in twenty sixteen during the election, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was this conspiracy theory that said that this pizza

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<v Speaker 2>place in DCO had a child trafficking ring running through

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<v Speaker 2>it and that one of the candidates had something to

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<v Speaker 2>do with it. Yes, folks that are showing up to

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<v Speaker 2>the pizza place, like where are the kids? And they

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<v Speaker 2>got threats in everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this one man drove from North Carolina to DC

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<v Speaker 1>to that pizza shop.

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<v Speaker 2>That's four hours. That's four hours with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>He was wrong, and once he realized that it was

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<v Speaker 1>all made up, just misinformation on the web, he turned

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<v Speaker 1>himself in. That's a wild ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there still people who believe in Pizzagate?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Li's coming back in twenty twenty. Have you heard. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it has a new younger audience on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, okay, Well that's that's all you need to say, period. TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all got to do more research, y' y'all are not

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<v Speaker 2>even doing the bare minimum research, y'all just sharing tiktoks.

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<v Speaker 1>Social media is such a big part of this. And

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anything we want you to walk away with,

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<v Speaker 1>we want you to know when you're being targeted. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what is an ad what is just conversation? So when

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<v Speaker 1>you're sharing things, know that you got to do your

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<v Speaker 1>due diligence. They're looking for people just like you. They're saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you like puppies and do you care about puppy meals?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're going to say this candidate has twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five puppy meals. You know, it's just whatever is out here,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just want us to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>more diligent.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't fall for the okie dope.

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<v Speaker 3>The time lapse of how much you're engaging that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it is mentally taxing, right, and cognitively taxing, and could

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<v Speaker 3>be leading to other kinds of outcomes that we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>truly surmised from all of it because it is so overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 3>How much is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>My model used to be zero fatigue, but now it's

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<v Speaker 1>all the fatigue. Okay, all the fatigue, election fatigue, general fatigue,

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<v Speaker 1>people fatigue, just all of it. We are fatigued, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're basically headed to the land of burnout.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, and with that in mind, our next episode is

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to be all about burnout. How to recognize

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<v Speaker 2>it and how to handle it. And we are so

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<v Speaker 2>excited to talk about it because I mean, being bombarded

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<v Speaker 2>with all these political ads and then the pandemic and

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<v Speaker 2>all these different things that are going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>RP to Chadwick Boseman, and we're all just tired. Twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty has sucked. And so this next episode on Burnout

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<v Speaker 2>is for the people, and we're going to get through this.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean me, it's is I I am people.

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<v Speaker 1>After this episode airs, I'm going to announce your run

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<v Speaker 1>for president.

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<v Speaker 2>My run. I don't want to be president. I think

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<v Speaker 2>i'd be the worst president. I'd be like everybody, just chill.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to bed. So earlier t TV comes for president.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for your political ad, if I am on

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<v Speaker 2>your campaign strategy team, I'm gonna be like, Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of pictures of food that Zakia has

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<v Speaker 2>made everybody likes to eat. I think that's something we

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<v Speaker 2>can all bond over. And so then I'm just putting

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<v Speaker 2>out pictures of plates that I have had a Zekias

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<v Speaker 2>asks meing like with Zekiah.

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<v Speaker 1>We all eat, we all eat good. Mic drop no

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<v Speaker 1>more hashtag struggle plate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for Lab thirty one, but we have so

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<v Speaker 2>What would you put in your mem You.

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<v Speaker 1>Know who I really feel like is aligned with like?

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<v Speaker 1>My brand is somewhere between Anita Baker and Meghan Thesallion. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I really have to do some micro targeting.

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<v Speaker 1>To get certain groups of people where I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>Meg will be effective, but not the groups that will

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<v Speaker 1>be turned off by that, and that are more Anita

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<v Speaker 1>Baker and Shade. Yeah, but that's where I land. Anita

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<v Speaker 1>the Stallion, Anita the Stallion,