WEBVTT - Volleyball Stars Logan and Shaye Eggleston 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.160 In the game of life, Maintaining a healthy lifestyle and 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.560 nurturing meaningful connections with family can be among the most 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:11.160 formidable challenges we face. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.520 I was able to know that, you know, I wasn't 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.720 alone in it. My sister went through the same thing, 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.599 and we're like the same person, So I knew that 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.560 I was going to struggle the same way that she was. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.040 Yet, for many professional athletes, fostering both has proven to 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.040 be a triumphant recipe for success. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.360 I'm going to beat her in every single card game, 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.800 every single you know, everything like that, I'm going to win, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.280 But when it comes to the big things, I only 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.240 want to see her succeed. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.240 I'm John Frankel. For the past two decades, I've traveled 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.200 the globe covering some of the most impactful human interest 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.720 stories in sports. On this show, I'm sitting down with 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.480 some of the biggest families in the game, the legends, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.760 current superstars, and the up and coming playmakers to understand 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.560 what's really making them tech. What can pro athlete families 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.400 teach a new generation about the importance of care for 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.200 your health and finding success in the face of adversity. Together, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.280 we'll hear stories of their remarkable comebacks, setbacks, and the 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.520 crucial role their family and self care played in their 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.560 paths to championship glory. This is part of the game. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.399 As teenagers in Tennessee, Logan and Shay Eggleston helped build 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.160 a volleyball dynasty at Brentwood High School. The sisters each 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.560 won four state championships at Brentwood, and they had volleyball 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.160 coaches from across the country trying to recruit them. Their 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.840 paths would diverge after high school. Logan chose the University 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.160 of Texas, while Shay, two years younger, went to the 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.640 University of Alabama. Both found success and fulfillment on campus 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.440 in different ways. Logan became a superstar outside hitter for 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.520 the Longhorns, even leading them to a national title in 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.440 her final season. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:59.360 Logan eton no nurse for Eggleston tonight. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.520 Shay was a key contributor for Alabama before deciding she 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.919 needed a fresh start and transferred to the University of Cincinnati. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.200 She's fully embraced campus life, maximizing her time as a 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.800 student athlete as she strives for greatness on the court 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:21.119 and in the classroom. Shay Eggleston and Logan Eggleston thank 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.880 you for joining us. We really appreciate it. You grow 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.720 up in Tennessee, you grow up in Nashville, and you 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.600 go to your local high school I assume in Brentwood, Tennessee. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.079 Yes, yes, Brentwood High School. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.440 And it's a powerhouse volleyball school that over time won 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.720 sixteen state titles, including eight in a row, of which 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.680 Shay and Logan you were both part of. Right, you 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.799 each won four titles? Is that right? 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:46.640 Yes? 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.639 Does the school owe its success to the two of you? Specifically? 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.680 We would love to take that on her, but no, 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.160 I think our coach did a great job building an 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.960 amazing program at Brentwood, and we had a lot of 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.400 really talented volleyball players just come through the school and 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.920 leave a legacy that Shay and I were able to 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:08.520 continue on. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.600 Logan and Shay's father, Stan Egleston, played college basketball, and 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.360 early on Logan played hoops too. Then one day, during 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.080 her freshman year of high school, she finally beat her 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.600 dad playing one on one. That victory would mark the 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.160 end of her basketball career. By that time, the fiercely 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.200 independent older daughter had already decided to give volleyball a shot. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.920 Your dad was a college basketball player. I assume he 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.320 pushed you towards basketball initially just because it was probably 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.800 his passion. Why did you end up playing volleyball in 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.560 that basketball? Well? 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.720 Yeah, he was actually both of our coaches growing up. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.160 And it's funny because usually when your dad your coach, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.440 he's super hard on you. We know he played basketball. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.600 He wanted us to be great in basketball, but he 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.440 never forced us to play basketball. It was just something 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.960 that we got to do fun together and he was 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:04.960 honestly a great coach. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.960 Like, he never was too hard on us. Shay, I 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.320 don't think he was hard on you met there was. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.360 He yeah, I mean he definitely was like involved, like 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.520 more involved than a normal parent would be. But I 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.120 would say, like, I feel like other parents sometimes are 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.280 more like pushing it. And we both loved it when 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.240 we both started, and so he really just wanted to 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.080 be a part of that. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.240 I guess the more important question is how did you 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.880 go to dad and tell him that you wanted to 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.520 play volleyball rather than basketball. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.440 It wasn't as hard of a conversation as some people think. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.440 I think our mom took it a little bit harder 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.159 than our dad because she loved watching us play basketball. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.039 But I remember telling my dad like, hey, I think 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.520 volleyball is what I want to do. I think I 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.200 should focus on it. And he was super excited because 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.040 he loves watching volleyball, and I think it kind of 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.800 took a little bit of the pressure off of him 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.479 because he didn't have to be our coach and you know, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.479 know everything about the sport. He could really just sit 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.360 back and just enjoy the sport rather than knowing everything 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:02.840 about it. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.839 Logan, tell people your position and what the objective is, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.680 what your charge is as a player. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.640 So I'm an outside hitter, me and Shay both are, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.040 and an outside hitter kind of has to do a 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.800 little bit of everything. So we pass, play defense, we attack, block, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.279 and serve, and then also set whenever the setter isn't 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.080 in system. So outside hitters are kind of tasked with 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.320 doing a lot. And that's one piece of advice I 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.960 tell young players is just to learn how to play 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.240 volleyball and to be an overall volleyball player, because just 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.600 knowing all the skills and being able to step in 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.080 and do anything that's needed is the most important thing 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:42.640 in the sport. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.120 And I think that's what outside hitters do the best. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.400 Shay natural for you to be an outside hitter, or 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.960 big sister did it, so I'm following Big sister. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.360 I would say like a little bit of both. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:54.920 When I was in middle school, I was a setter, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.520 and then when I started playing club, I was a 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.839 middle A lot of outside hitters started off play different positions. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:02.680 Just like she said, like, it's really important to be 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.440 able to do everything. Logan's always been my role model, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.280 so obviously I've always looked up to her and I've 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.480 always wanted to do what she does. So I do 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.919 say like that was probably what kind of drew me 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.600 to being an outside hitter. But once I got there, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.880 like I knew that I had the experience from being 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.360 the other positions and you know, just having other skills. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.440 So after that, I was just like I was kind 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:23.560 of all in on the position. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.440 At Brentwood High, Shay left her own mark. She set 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.760 the schools all time kills record, that is, when the 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.039 offense hits the ball to the opponent's side of the 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.680 court and results in a point. Like her sister, Shay 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.800 won the Gatorade Player of the Year in Tennessee, except 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.680 she won it twice, but when it came time to 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.360 move on to college, she took a different path than 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.440 her big sister. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:51.800 Growing up. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.400 Obviously, everyone always is going to say, oh, that's Logan 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.160 Egleson's little sister, And I think a lot of pressure 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.000 came with that. And although I saw how successful she 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.280 was at Texas, I love the people at Texas, the coaches, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.840 everyone in that program, I never really wanted to go there, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.440 and I think that we could have been able to 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.520 play together and we would have had a great time. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.480 But I just think that for me as a player 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:14.880 and for me as a person, I needed to be 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.600 able to, you know, do my own thing. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:23.040 Logan, help our listeners understand how vicious is the recruiting 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.600 trail for volleyball. We hear about it for college football, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.720 we hear about it for women's basketball, men's basketball. Obviously, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:31.320 how is it for volleyball. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.360 It's exactly the same as what you hear in the 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.400 sports you just listed. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:35.680 You know. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.160 I know the rules have changed now to kind of 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.000 help young players not have to go through this process 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.600 so early, but coaches were coming to tournaments to watch 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.280 thirteen year olds, twelve year olds, fourteen year olds play 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.960 and offering them scholarships, you know, that early in their career, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.680 and so it was pretty intense, you know, feeling like 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.800 you had to make a decision that is going to 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.280 impact you five years down the road. I'm so grateful 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.360 for my younger self for, you know, vetting the options 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.280 the way that I did and making the decision I did, 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.520 because I think it was the perfect decision. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.080 Shay. You choose to carve out your own path. You 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.680 start at Alabama, You're now at the University of Cincinnati. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.800 To most people who watch college sports today, that may 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.320 not sound so unusual. We're seeing it now with the 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.920 NCAA Transfer Portal, which is a website that manages and 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.440 facilitates the process for student athletes looking to switch. People 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.040 are flying around going to different schools. How difficult was 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.480 it for you to make that move? Why did you 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.800 make that move from Alabama to the University of Cincinnati. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.600 I graduated high school early, so I committed my junior 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.360 year to Alabama. It's a great place to be a 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.240 student athlete. There's a lot of resources there, and so 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.960 my freshman year I went in. I was seventeen, I 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.520 just graduated high school and then we ended up having 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.480 a coaching change. I also got injured my freshman year. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.679 I had a stress fracture in my foot, and so 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.200 I think stepping away from volleyball because of my injury 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.080 had me look at the university in a different way. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.520 It really like stressed the importance to me of really 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.840 loving where you are and making sure that the school 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.959 was a great fit for you. And so I realized 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.080 that Cincinnati was a much better fit for me all around. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.240 It had a lot more things that you know, helped 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.240 me as a person, and so I ended up choosing 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.600 to come here and it's been great ever since. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.959 Shay, when you entertained the idea of entering the transfer 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.360 portal and finding another school, was your first call to 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.040 mom and dad or is your first call to Logan? 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.040 It was definitely to Logan, I would say, honestly, like 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.960 I wasn't happy my freshman year, and I was like 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.760 terrified of not being able to go somewhere that would 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.400 be better for me, and I was terrified that it 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.440 wasn't going to work out. And every other person, like 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.360 my parents too, they were also kind of had the 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.760 same fears. But I think like knowing that Logan had 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.280 faith in me and she was always like, you know 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:00.880 that you can be happy y or somewhere else. You 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.440 know that something else is better, that's waiting on the 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.680 other side of the door. And she really helps me 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.600 to make that jump and help me to realize that, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.440 you know, I'm supposed to be happy, Like it's not 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.160 supposed to be as heavy as it is. And so 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.920 without her, I probably wouldn't have made the jump, and 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.880 I probably wouldn't have ended up as happy as I 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.480 am now. So I'm always eternally grateful for that. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.720 While she was settling into her new life in Cincinnati, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.560 Logan felt right at home in Austin. During her time 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.640 with the Longhorns, she won Big Twelve Conference Player of 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.120 the Year three times. She capped her senior year by 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.520 helping Texas win the national championship and was named most 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:44.760 outstanding Player in the tournament. The challenges of college athletics 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.040 most people from the outside don't see. They don't understand 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.840 that you are carrying what is essentially a full time 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.560 job workload as a student and a full time job 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.840 workload as a college athlete at a Division one program. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.120 Talk about the stresses of that. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.160 It is a struggle. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.960 I'll start there on top of being an athlete, you 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.760 have to focus on being a student and keeping your 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.360 grades up. If you want to play, you have to 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.160 make sure you're eligible and that you're performing well in 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.560 the classroom. But then on top of that, you also 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.679 need to make sure you're taking care of yourself as 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.720 a person and as a human being. You know, there's 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.959 so many mental things that come along with being an athlete. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.800 There's so much pressure, expectations that you feel like you 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.560 have to live up to. And I think that's really 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.079 important for athletes to realize, is the importance of taking 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.439 care of yourself and taking care of things outside of 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.840 your sport, because when you're able to do that, you 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.200 can perform so much better in your sport. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.000 And I think you speak to a point that where 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.440 you're all learning more and more about, which is the 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:48.320 mental health of athletes. Say you're actually a psychology major, right, Yes, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.360 I am, so. I imagine this all gives you a 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.520 perhaps a little better understanding. I don't know if it 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.600 helps you cope with it at all, But do you 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.400 feel some of the same things that Logan just discussed. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.720 Yes, And I think think for me and Logan, especially, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.680 like we've both always been very academically driven, and so 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.200 you have to put in a lot of work to 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.760 do well in academics and in your sport, and I 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.760 think that's one of the hardest parts too, especially in 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.000 season you're traveling four to five days out of the week. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.560 You have a bunch of stuff that you have to juggle. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.000 You have to, you know, become the queen of time management, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.040 which I think we all end up figuring out. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:30.800 Are you both satisfied with the way that colleges and 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.240 your coaches have dealt with the issue of mental health 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:35.720 one hundred percent. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.680 My coach at Texas, Jarre Elliott, has been probably like 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.640 the most supportive he could be. Obviously, he's a man 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.840 coaching female athletes and so he can never really understand 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.120 what we go through. But just the willingness that he 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.920 had to be empathetic and to ask questions and check 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.800 in on us and make sure we're doing okay was 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.720 just amazing. In my senior season, I was really struggling. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.720 I wasn't playing the way I wanted to. I just 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.080 felt all this pressure of having to be perfect. It 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.160 was my last chance to win. I just felt this pressure, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.640 and he was like, you're coming to my office. We're 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.880 going to have a conversation. He was like, you need 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.000 to be vulnerable, you need to tell me how you're feeling. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.400 And I think if that conversation hadn't happened, we wouldn't 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.840 have ended up winning it all at the end. It's 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.079 just so important for coaches to recognize when their players 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.320 are struggling and actually be proactive and having conversations with 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.120 them and checking on them, making sure they're okay and 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.400 being okay, having kind of like awkward conversations and really 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.520 digging to understand what's going on with them. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.200 Shay, have you and Logan, I assume you've compared notes 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.280 on this, and would you say that her coach at 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.560 Texas is the exception in this case when it comes 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:45.800 to dealing with mental health. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.360 I would say that it's more rare than people think 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.440 to have coaches that truly do care about you and 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.160 truly want to know every single aspect of your life 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.480 and why you're struggling. I would say my coaches here 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.880 at Cincinnati are the same way. Our head coach, Molly, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.600 She's been here for twelve years and she kind of 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.400 has the same approach of really making sure she knows 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.320 her players and she cares about her players, and I 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.960 do think not a lot of coaches have that mindset, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.160 which I think is why mental health has become such 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.760 a problem in college athletics. But I do think that, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.160 like all around, the resources have increased. Like Logan had 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.760 sports psychologists at UT, I have sports psychologists here at 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.880 the University of Cincinnati, and they've really started to stress 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.800 the importance of talking to people and you know, not 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.359 being afraid to be vulnerable. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.920 We actually did a story at HBO Real Sports that 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.200 covered the Temper Scale, which was named after a professor 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.040 at Ohio State University who did a study of not 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.480 only college athletes, but compared it to other professions in 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.120 some of the most strenuous, demanding situations, including those who 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.720 were in the military, which is considered to be one 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.960 where people are under extreme duress. And they found that 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.240 the worst situation is for a Division I college athlete, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.880 and typically they come in in with a much more 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:07.200 positive and healthier mental outlook than the traditional student. But 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.160 very quickly on the graph, the Division one athletes mental 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:15.040 health begins to turn downwards and deteriorate, and the regular 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.560 student body season uptick. If you will, and I don't 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.240 think people really recognize there's stress that college athletes are under. Yeah. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.400 I think it's because you come into college and you're 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.840 so confident and you're so excited for what can come 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.600 in the future. You know, you set up these high 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.520 expectations for yourself and for your team, and then it's 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.960 the reality of meeting those expectations. You know, you can 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.640 always set these goals for yourself to accomplish, but then 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.680 when it comes to you know, being a freshman and 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.920 playing in these games and being in these high pressure situations, 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.120 that first experience definitely takes a toll on you because 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.440 you realize that although you are prepared, it's not as 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.040 easy as you think it is. There's definitely a wall 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.520 that you hit that kind of changes perspective little bit. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.880 I'm always sort of amazed when I watch grown men 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.200 and women roots so hard and in some cases the 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.920 happiness of their week is determined by the success of 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.960 a seventeen or eighteen or nineteen year old student athlete 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:24.120 win the critical game, and if their school doesn't, they 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.280 go home moping and they're in a bad mood. Is 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.760 that too much pressure for people who are seventeen eighteen, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:32.800 nineteen years old. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.520 Volleyball fans in general love the game and just love 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.560 and respect the players that play. But Shay was at 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.240 Alabama and al she's at Cincinnati, I'm at Texas. We have, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.240 you know, football programs that are expected to do really 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.960 big things, and it's definitely hard to see these athletes 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.760 just ridiculed and torn down by people. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.120 It's definitely an excessive. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.720 Amount of pressure that does harm these athletes, and I think, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.480 you know, it needs to be addressed and we need 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.760 to find ways to the humanize these athletes and you know, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.920 let them relax and play free, because that's the only 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.880 way that you're going to perform well. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.359 Logan, were you able to give little sister Shay some 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.399 advice about this and offer some insight about what it 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.159 was going to be like when she stepped down to 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.199 a college campus as a student athlete. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.440 Yes, one hundred percent. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.480 I remember, like the second Shay committed to school, when 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.320 she was packing, when she was getting ready to go, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.960 I was like, this is what's going to happen. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.280 You need to prepare for it. I might have been 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:34.240 a little. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.240 Harsh just telling her exactly how it was going to 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.159 be a Shay. You can let me know if I 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.720 was or not, But yeah, I wanted to. I really 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.840 did want to prepare her for what to expect because 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:44.960 I wanted her to be successful. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:45.959 I'd agree. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.760 I mean, I definitely think like I have my whole 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.399 life just like watching you and how you went through it. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.160 Whenever she was struggling her freshman year, she would always 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.119 communicate with that with me, so I definitely knew what 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.720 was coming. I wouldn't say that it made it easier 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.639 when I hit that wall, but I was able to 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.480 know that, you know, I wasn't alone in it. My 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.639 sister went through the same thing, and we're like the 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.359 same person, so I knew that I was going to 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.840 struggle the same way that she was. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.359 It sounds like then you've been able to lean on 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:13.120 each other. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:13.840 I would agree. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.200 I think we're both kind of the people that don't 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.879 like to tell other people what we're going through, and 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.000 so I think being able to have each other to 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.000 talk to just really helps both of us get through 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.280 both of our struggles. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:32.120 Coming up, Logan and Shay discuss their future and what 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.080 volleyball's growing popularity could mean for the sport in the 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:36.680 years to. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:41.760 Come United States Olympic teams, beach indoor and the Paralympic 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.560 teams all three one goal that the lost Olympics. People 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.880 are tuning in to watch it. We have really talented 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.800 American players and I think that's what's going to drive 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.800 people to love the professional sport as well. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:19:01.600 Part of the game will be right back and now 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:08.000 back to part of the game. When Shay Eggleston was 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.720 mulling the decision to enter the transfer portal and leave Alabama, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.679 her sister Logan was there to support her every step 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.760 of the way. She encouraged Shaye to put herself first 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.760 and make the choice that was best for her and 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:25.199 her future. Logan, why were you so confident that there 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.320 were greener pastures? 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.760 I mean, I think Shay is the most amazing person 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.080 on the planet, and because I think so highly of her, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.880 I didn't want her to have to go through that struggle. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.199 So I just kind of told her. I was like, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:38.840 you need to be a little bit selfish here. You 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.000 need to think about yourself, and you know, I was like, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.080 I want you to see yourself the way I see you, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.880 as this great person who can thrive and be somewhere 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.280 where they can succeed at such a high level, there 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.480 can be a place where you feel confident, happy, successful, 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.639 And she found it gratefully. But I just I wanted 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.639