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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week, and we have, as always in baseball, a

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Speaker 1: lot to talk about. We've got a big trade, we've

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Speaker 1: got a reliever who might become a starter as a

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Speaker 1: free agent, and we've got a story that I wrote

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Speaker 1: It's about the pirates and the Marlins and there's sudden

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Speaker 1: willingness to spend. But first, the big news from Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the trade. You saw it, you know about it, You've

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Speaker 1: probably debated it in your head right now, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to try to help clarify some things this morning,

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Speaker 1: try to help people understand this trade. We're all trying

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Speaker 1: to understand it ourselves, right. So the trade was this

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Speaker 1: Marcus Semon from the Texas Rangers to the New York

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Speaker 1: Mets for Brandon Nimo. Two big names there, you see,

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Speaker 1: the players involved. Nimo had to wave his no trade

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Speaker 1: clause for this to happen, and that was the final

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Speaker 1: step in this thing. The Mets sent the Rangers five

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Speaker 1: million dollars because the difference in salaries are guaranteed money

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Speaker 1: that they are owed is about thirty million I was

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Speaker 1: surprised that the money was only five million going from

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Speaker 1: the Mets to the Rangers. I thought it'd be more

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Speaker 1: balanced than that. And the Rangers also get Nimo, with

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Speaker 1: Nimo getting from the Mets a one million dollar assignment

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Speaker 1: bonus that was in his contract. Now Nimo has five

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Speaker 1: years left, Simion three, and that's why there is a

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Speaker 1: difference in the amount of money they're getting. The Rangers

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Speaker 1: actually will save money in the first couple of years

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Speaker 1: of this deal because Nimo is making less than Simon is,

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Speaker 1: at least according to the contract. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: the five million is being distributed, but it's not all

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Speaker 1: that consequential. The Rangers save in the first two years,

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Speaker 1: but then of course in third year the salaries are

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Speaker 1: Simeon is off the book books for the Mets and

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Speaker 1: Nimo has two more years left at twenty and a

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Speaker 1: half million. So from that perspective alone, it's an interesting deal. Now,

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Speaker 1: these are big names, there's no question about it. Nemo,

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Speaker 1: agent contract with the Rangers a few years back, helped

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Speaker 1: the Rangers win the twenty twenty three World Series. But

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Speaker 1: I want to show you now a a tweet an

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Speaker 1: ex post from Mike Petriello of MLB dot com, and

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Speaker 1: this is one that I agree with. Mike said, the

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Speaker 1: initial feeling is this trade matters a ton name value

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Speaker 1: and also maybe not all that much twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: on baseball value. And what Mike is talking about is

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Speaker 1: that these are not two players in the primes of

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Speaker 1: defender he once was. Simeon has gone backwards in a

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Speaker 1: big way the last two years. Offensively did win a

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Speaker 1: Gold Glove at second base, and as we will discuss,

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Speaker 1: that is a big deal for the Mets. Now let's

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Speaker 1: signaled David Cerns, their president of baseball operations, has signaled

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Speaker 1: they want to improve their run prevention. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Simeon is a plus defender at second base and that

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Speaker 1: will help the Mets undoubtedly as long as he maintains that,

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Speaker 1: and he's thirty five years old. There's no guarantee he's

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Speaker 1: keeps himself in amazing shape. He plays all the time,

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Speaker 1: so there's a reasonable expectation that defensively he will be good. Now.

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Speaker 1: Nimo was a valuable Met, a guy who was there

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Speaker 1: And look at his ranks all time among the Mets

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Speaker 1: ninth in played appearances. That's an amazing run with a team.

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Speaker 1: And what this deal shows, as Will Salmon of The

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Speaker 1: Athletic wrote today in a very perceptive column, is that

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Speaker 1: David Stearns, as president of Baseball Operations is not going

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Speaker 1: to be necessarily swayed by sentiment as he redoes this team,

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Speaker 1: and nor should he be. The Mets in Casha missed

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Speaker 1: They had no business missing the playoffs. They were one

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Speaker 1: expect he goes and they signed another closer. Alonso is

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Speaker 1: this deal also is interesting and it kind of has

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Speaker 1: the same overtones. Again, this is a deal born out

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Speaker 1: of frustration by both clubs, the Mets frustrated with what

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Speaker 1: are looking to change their mix. They're also cutting payroll.

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Speaker 1: We saw that they non tendered a Dolice Garcia, they

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Speaker 1: not all about payroll. This is a team that underachieved

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Speaker 1: is a team that determined quite obviously that they needed

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Speaker 1: and they'll go forward here. But this is a clear

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Speaker 1: sign that the Rangers are not sitting on their laurels

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Speaker 1: on top of the Adulius Garcia and Jonaheim nontenders. That

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Speaker 1: see how Steve Cohen handles that, whether Kyle Tucker becomes

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Speaker 1: interesting as the Simian Nemo trade, but interesting in its

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Speaker 1: own right. Ryan Helsley, free agent reliever who was with

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Speaker 1: starting pitcher. Hellsley as a starting pitcher. Now, we've seen

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Speaker 1: I answer your questions, Let's get right to them. First

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Speaker 1: exactly they do, all right, Next question, let's see if

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Speaker 1: we have another one here. This one comes from Jonathan

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Speaker 1: W eighteen twenty one. Do you think that the RNA

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays are gonna make a move soon? I don't

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Speaker 1: know how soon it's gonna be, and it's always difficult

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Speaker 1: than to predict the pace of an off season, and

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Speaker 1: it's also difficult to predict what might happen. The Semi

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Speaker 1: and Demo trade came out of nowhere, as deals and

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Speaker 1: transactions so often do so with Toronto. Their hands are

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Speaker 1: in a lot of things now. I have not heard

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Speaker 1: them as strongly on Kyle Tucker as some others have,

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Speaker 1: as some others have reported. Certainly I have heard them

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Speaker 1: in the starting pitching market and the closer market. They're

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Speaker 1: on all the big time closures, including Edwin Diaz. They're

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Speaker 1: on all the big starting pitchers as well. That is

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Speaker 1: where I expect their focus to be, and I expect

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Speaker 1: them at some point to do some pretty major things.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how quickly it's all going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, we've got the Thanksgiving holiday in America coming up,

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Speaker 1: and teams will take a couple of days to kind

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Speaker 1: of gather themselves. There could be some movement over the

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Speaker 1: when the action really gets heavy, all right. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everyone for watching, for listening. Foul Territory is

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Speaker 1: coming up. Jim Bowden, Robert Murray and Marty Caswell joined

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Speaker 1: Todd Fraser, Erik Kratz and Scott Brown. Fair Territory returns

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Speaker 1: Wednesday with Alana Rizzo and myself twelve thirty Eastern Wednesday

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Speaker 1: this week, not on Thanksgiving, twelve thirty Eastern. We'll talk

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