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Speaker 1: go from there. I'm tired of arguing about it. I'm

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Speaker 1: tired all of it. The fact, the certainty with which

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Speaker 1: people who say, absolutely, should her Sanders should be picked

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Speaker 1: We're gonna show you one hundred mock drafts. Don't take

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Speaker 1: And so here we are in this really as Browns fans,

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Speaker 1: They send everybody there. Now, what'll be curious is I

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Speaker 4: And there's another pro day as well on Friday.

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Speaker 1: If they're all at the Penn State Pro Day and

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Speaker 1: of all, how are you? It's sunny here, but only

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Speaker 1: with potential number one overall pick cam Ward. The Titans

429
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Speaker 1: have become increasingly impressed with Ward, and while they are

430
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Speaker 1: expected to listen to offers for the number one overall pick,

431
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Speaker 1: it would now take an even stronger package to acquire

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Speaker 1: the drafts top selection. So why in the world is

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Speaker 1: this being leaked out? Because this clearly is being leaked

434
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Speaker 1: out by Tennessee. Why is this being leaked out now

435
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Speaker 1: after what we saw yesterday?

436
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Speaker 7: They're trying to maximize. What I've written is that cam

437
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Speaker 7: Ward is going to be the number one overall pick

438
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Speaker 7: regardless agreed yep. That doesn't mean to Tennessee. I believe

439
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Speaker 7: it will be Tennessee because I don't think that they're nuts,

440
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 7: but I believe it will be Tennessee. But if did

441
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Speaker 7: not Tennessee, if at some point in these private workouts

442
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Speaker 7: or extra meetings or the thirty visit or whatever, cam

443
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Speaker 7: Ward goes like.

444
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Speaker 8: Nuts and did, like you know, does something completely off

445
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Speaker 8: kilter and out of character and turns the Titans off,

446
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Speaker 8: he is still going to be the number one.

447
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Speaker 7: Pick because the Titans would then turn around and say,

448
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Speaker 7: all right, this pick is up for sale, and they

449
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Speaker 7: basically said that at the combine the pick, yep, we're

450
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Speaker 7: open for business. And so the team that would come

451
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Speaker 7: behind or too slops behind Mike decide, Yeah, well we're

452
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Speaker 7: gonna go that way because the Titans are created.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. And it feels like there's no

454
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Speaker 1: doubt he will be the number one pick in this draft.

455
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Speaker 1: I just it's such an interesting play to leak that

456
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Speaker 1: today to me and just kind of I'll talk to

457
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Speaker 1: you my logic and just you know, we can back forth.

458
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Speaker 1: That was a very impressive pro day. There's no doubt

459
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Speaker 1: and there really should be no doubt anybody who's put

460
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Speaker 1: the tape on that cam Ward can throw the football

461
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Speaker 1: from any angle, from any platform really to any blade

462
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Speaker 1: of g on the field and do so quite frankly,

463
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Speaker 1: very accurately, especially on air, and did that yesterday and

464
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Speaker 1: everybody the throw where he rolled left and through that

465
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: bomb was very reminiscent of Zach Wilson, So we know

466
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Speaker 1: the talent is there. It feels like if you were

467
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Speaker 1: so locked in, you almost wouldn't say anything because there's

468
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Speaker 1: no reason to. And then that also sends signals that hey,

469
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Speaker 1: they're so locked in. If we want to try to

470
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Speaker 1: get anything here, we're gonna have to blow them out

471
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Speaker 1: of the water. This to me says we like them,

472
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Speaker 1: We also like maybe Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter somebody,

473
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Speaker 1: and we're kind of open for business, and we're gonna

474
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Speaker 1: use what was a very strong on air pro day,

475
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Speaker 1: which people should look good on air on pro days,

476
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Speaker 1: to try and get more for a move that maybe

477
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Speaker 1: we were planning on making, which would boggle my mind.

478
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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you were at the combine. Right at

479
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Speaker 1: the combine, nobody thought they were taking a quarterback at

480
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Speaker 1: one nobody right.

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Speaker 7: I look at it, I mean I totally get what

482
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Speaker 7: you're saying. I look at it as the Titans trying

483
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Speaker 7: to maximize every single avenue so that when they make

484
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Speaker 7: the final decision, it's going to be Look, this is

485
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Speaker 7: what we're really weighing. We're weighing cam Ward versus probably

486
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Speaker 7: two number ones plus plus plus as opposed to well,

487
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Speaker 7: we don't know what we're really weighing, and we have

488
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Speaker 7: to wait until Draft ninety to find out. So it

489
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Speaker 7: makes sense. There's nobody that's going to get ahead of them,

490
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Speaker 7: so they can do whatever they want without really any

491
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Speaker 7: problem of or any concern of someone's going to get

492
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Speaker 7: ahead of them. The people that have concerns are picking two, three, four, whatever, yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then you wonder for them if it's you know,

494
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Speaker 1: from a Browns lens, let's say, in a hypothetical of

495
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Speaker 1: the Browns, or it's cam Ward or Bus for the

496
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Speaker 1: Browns at quarterback. You know, what does it take to

497
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Speaker 1: get from two to one in the event that Tennessee

498
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Speaker 1: was obviously fine with it because they would move, you know,

499
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Speaker 1: and they still get Abdul Carter and something for they

500
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Speaker 1: get the player that they wanted and something for free.

501
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Speaker 1: So I think that's an that's an interesting discussion. You know,

502
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: three changes things for them, because if they go to three,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a guarantee that the Browns don't

504
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Speaker 1: take whoever it was that they truly wanted when they

505
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: traded out. Do you think that that gives the Browns

506
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Speaker 1: any bit of a better shot if they were the

507
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Speaker 1: team that's trying to get to one, to do so

508
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Speaker 1: at maybe a better rate than obviously it would be

509
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Speaker 1: for the Giants.

510
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Speaker 7: And you know, Browns fans may just may may be

511
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 7: listening to us talk and say, why in the world

512
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Speaker 7: would the Browns go from two to one to get

513
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Speaker 7: cam Ward? Well, the reason would be if they decide

514
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Speaker 7: that they really want cam Ward, and they really want

515
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Speaker 7: to eventually have the guy on campus, so to speak,

516
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Speaker 7: that is going to take over for Deshaun Watson. You

517
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Speaker 7: go to number one to make sure that the guy

518
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Speaker 7: that the New York Giants who are at number three

519
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 7: don't get past you. That's the reason, yeah, that the

520
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Speaker 7: Browns thinking would be to jump from two to one.

521
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Speaker 7: It's it's not to get to one to just make

522
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Speaker 7: cam Ward the top pick. It's to get the one

523
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Speaker 7: to avoid having the Giants make cam Ward the top pick.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly right talking with our good friend Armando Salgero,

525
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: Senior writer for OutKick, Armando, cam Ward was the star

526
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Speaker 1: of the day obviously, and he's the one that can

527
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Speaker 1: go at the top of the draft. But there are

528
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Speaker 1: plenty of guys on this Miami team that can get

529
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Speaker 1: drafted one. You watch him on tape, incredibly productive, estopo.

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Speaker 1: But a four to eight does that? Did that tank

531
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Speaker 1: his draft stock completely?

532
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Speaker 7: So it doesn't help his draft stock obviously, No, But someone,

533
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 7: look there are offensive linemen, they're a defensive lineman and

534
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 7: the NFL that are running four eights. Okay, Tristan Wurf's

535
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Speaker 7: ran a four eight. I know h at the combine

536
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 7: one time, there's lots. The Cleveland Browns just signed Jerome Baker.

537
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: He's running four high, four fours and four five. Okay,

538
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 7: so obviously Ristreppo has an issue there. And then you

539
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 7: turn on the tape and then you look at the

540
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 7: practices and all the guy does is make plays, and

541
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Speaker 7: all the guy does is get open, and all the

542
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 7: guy does is become his quarterback's favorite receiver, despite and

543
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Speaker 7: regardless of who the quarterback is. And so that has

544
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 7: to tell teams it's not just about linear, you know,

545
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 7: forty yard speed with this guy. It's about something more.

546
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 7: He's a football player. He's not a track star. And

547
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 7: so I think that teams will see that eventually. They're

548
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 7: not gonna graft them high, if at all. But once

549
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: the guy gets on a practice field somewhere around the NFL,

550
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 7: he's gonna be just fine.

551
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Speaker 1: It feels like. And I'll go a guy who played

552
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Speaker 1: some time in Miami as well, that who ran I

553
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: think he ran like a four to seven, although he

554
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: ran fasterest protate with Jarvis Landry, who we certainly loved

555
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: up here, but was always able to produce more than

556
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Speaker 1: his timed talent would indicate.

557
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 7: Absolutely why because Jarvis Landry knew leverage, he knew football.

558
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 7: He was again and it sounds stupid for me to

559
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 7: say it, but he was a football player playing football.

560
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 7: And so people get caught up with the underwear Olympics

561
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 7: of the combine, where guys in shorts and you know,

562
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 7: cleves are going, you know, four threes, four twos you

563
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 7: see sometimes, and then what happens to them when they

564
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 7: get on the field. John Ross, the Cincinnati Bengals, famously

565
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 7: drafted he could fly, and then the football game began

566
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Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, John Ross was not it.

567
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Speaker 7: And so what I'm saying is you want a guy that, sure,

568
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Speaker 7: it'd be great to have the natural skills and the

569
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 7: god given you know, talent and the critical factors that

570
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 7: that scouts look for. But the smart teams, the teams

571
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 7: that typically maximize their drafts, they find guys who when

572
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 7: you turn on the tape, they make plays in games.

573
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Speaker 7: Em Mitt Smith is the NFL's leading rusher of all time.

574
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 7: He was not fast, Walter Peyton was not fast. Jerry

575
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 7: Rice was not fast. But they were great what football players.

576
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Speaker 1: That's right, and that's that's what the name of the

577
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: game is. And certainly he could end up being a

578
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: steel for somebody later in the draft. Is that if

579
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: that time pushes him down. I want to ask you

580
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Speaker 1: about one other guy from the you that when I

581
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: watch cam word and you know, in my mind, if

582
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Speaker 1: we can get him to the Browns, that would be incredible.

583
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: And then a guy that I wanted to pair him

584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: with is Elijah Royal. I thought that tight end popped

585
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: off the tape. The idea of putting him and David

586
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Njoku to you tight ends together and some of our

587
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: twelve personnel seems very exciting to me. What do you

588
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: what do you like about Arroyo and what's kind of

589
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: your sense with him? Is it as he moves here

590
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: into the draft.

591
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 7: He's prototype?

592
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: I mean, I love him.

593
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 7: That's that's the difference between we're talking about Restrepo, who

594
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 7: is you know, prototype. Arroyo is every bit prototyping. He's

595
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 7: six four, he's two hundred and forty seven pounds. You know,

596
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: he can easily carry two fifty to fifty two if

597
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 7: if you ask him to he's fast, he's he's he

598
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 7: has the desire to block, which is important because of

599
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 7: the coaching staff. If if a guy has a desire.

600
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Speaker 7: He's gonna be a good blocker. If a guy doesn't

601
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Speaker 7: have a good desire, then no matter how much technique

602
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 7: you you pour into him, it's not gonna happen. He's

603
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 7: got the desire. Uh, he's a good person. I talked

604
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Speaker 7: to him a couple of times, and you get the

605
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 7: sense that, you know, the background is there, the desire

606
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 7: is there, the coach ability is there. I have a

607
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 7: hard time. I have a hard time understanding why he

608
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 7: won't be like a second round pick. I don't know

609
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 7: where the experts have him going. But tight end are

610
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 7: great to have. Great tight ends are great to have. Obviously,

611
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 7: the Browns have one from the University of Miami, and

612
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 7: so why not why not have two?

613
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, why not have two? I would love it.

614
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Speaker 1: I would be all for it. I put it in

615
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: my mox. I'm trying to will it to existence here

616
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: for the Browns want to get you out of here

617
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: on this one. What do you make of just overall

618
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: stepping back and just looking at the league, just kind

619
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Speaker 1: of the quarterback situation around the league, and really, right now,

620
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Speaker 1: what is happening, you know with kind of Aaron Rodgers,

621
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and the fact that it feels like a

622
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Speaker 1: lot of things are kind of on hole based on Rogers,

623
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: who frankly has not been able to produce winning seasons

624
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: I for you know, at least not in his time

625
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: in New York, one due to injury, and then last

626
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: year they just didn't get it done right.

627
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 7: So obviously everyone is waiting on Aaron Rodgers. Right it's

628
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 7: the next domino that needs to fall, and everyone, starting

629
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 7: with Russell Wilson, is waiting for that domino to fall.

630
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 7: I don't know why Aaron Rodgers hasn't already fixed the

631
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh Steelers. Obviously, he spent six hours with them last

632
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: Friday and decided, okay, that was good. But I'm still

633
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 7: out signing right away, and so you start to wonder.

634
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 7: I was told early on that retirement is gonna be

635
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 7: one of those things that he molds very, very seriously,

636
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 7: and so we're gonna see. I don't have a prediction

637
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 7: for you now as to the whole Jets experience. I

638
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 7: think I have a little bit of different perspective on

639
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 7: that than most people. Most people would say, well, Aaron

640
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 7: Rodgers was brought to New York to win a Championship,

641
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 7: to make them relevant, to get them back into the playoffs,

642
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 7: and he failed miserably, And that is true, But that

643
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 7: doesn't mean that Aaron Rodgers failed miserably. His first year,

644
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Speaker 7: he was injured on the fourth play of the game.

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Speaker 7: That's not his fault. Last year, the dude throws twenty

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Speaker 7: eight touchdown passes with I think like eleven interceptions. So

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Speaker 7: Josh Allen won the MVP with twenty eight touchdown passes.

648
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Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes went to the Super Bowl with twenty six

649
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Speaker 7: touchdown passes, Jaydon Daniels one Rookie of the Year Offensive

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Speaker 7: Rookie of the Year with twenty five touchdown passes, And

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Speaker 7: everybody was trying to sign Matt Stafford this offseason or

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Speaker 7: get him to leave the Rams, and he had twenty

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Speaker 7: touchdown passes last year. Aaron Rodgers did not have a

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Speaker 7: bad year last year coming off an achilles. Did he maximize? No,

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Speaker 7: he didn't. Was he terrible? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't.

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Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. And we've had we've had people from

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Speaker 1: the Jets, I think they're played by play voice on

659
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Speaker 1: and he can still play. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: He needs to kind of maybe allow coaches to put

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Speaker 1: a little bit more modern wrinkles in on his offense,

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Speaker 1: but that he can still play. And yeah, well there's

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Speaker 1: obviously a lot of waiting on that speaking of real

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Speaker 1: quick in that division, and obviously down where you are

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Speaker 1: there in Miami Dolphins. Disappointing year last year. What's kind

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Speaker 1: of the sense around that team that still has a

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Speaker 1: lot of talent, but last year was just a strange,

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Speaker 1: strange year, and clearly they need to make sure and

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Speaker 1: I know they've tried to. They think they have, you know,

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Speaker 1: have a plan in case to it missus time.

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Speaker 7: They have the longest drought. They have the longest playoff

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Speaker 7: drought of any team in the NFL. The last time

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Speaker 7: they won a playoff game was in December of two thousand.

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Speaker 7: So there's that, and folks down here getting a little

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Speaker 7: antsy and a little, you know, despondent about the whole thing.

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Speaker 7: They obviously were all in on Tua in twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: to a tongue of Iloa, and when Mike McDaniel arrived,

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Speaker 7: they were still in that sweet spot of Tua. Tungda

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Speaker 7: bay Law is on a rookie contract and so we

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Speaker 7: can bring in all sorts of talent like Bradley Chubb

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Speaker 7: and Ramsey at cornerback and all sorts of things and

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Speaker 7: Tyreek Hill. The problem is Tua is not on a

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Speaker 7: rookie contract anymore. He's making fifty two or fifty four

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Speaker 7: thousand million dollars a year. I wanted to say thousand,

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Speaker 7: which would be a yeah. And so now what they

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Speaker 7: have is a lot of high priced talent at the top,

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Speaker 7: including all the things that I mentioned, but they don't

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Speaker 7: have a middle class and it's mostly fill in guys,

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Speaker 7: so they haven't really been able to address needs in

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Speaker 7: free agency. The draft hasn't gone as expected for them,

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Speaker 7: and they're in a tough spot because they're no better

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Speaker 7: than what they were before. Mike McDaniel or and they

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Speaker 7: haven't produced. And now they have an expensive, very expensive

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Speaker 7: top of the roster that still hasn't produced a playoff win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it is?

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Speaker 7: This?

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Speaker 1: Is this? Is it now or never? From Mike McDaniel, he's.

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Speaker 7: Well, I can't predict to you what owner Steve Ross

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Speaker 7: is gonna do because he's a he's a wild card.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been very patient.

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Speaker 7: He likes McDaniel's you know, uh sort of evil genius

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Speaker 7: offense type of thing. The problem is the McDaniel culture

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Speaker 7: is like this friendship coach the player. We're good, we're buddies,

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Speaker 7: we're boys, and in adversity that doesn't resonate, and especially

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Speaker 7: he's starting to not resonate with fans who see this,

706
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Speaker 7: and it's almost like he he has a a blind spot.

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Speaker 7: Last year, they started off terribly and they rallied with

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Speaker 7: six straight wins, and McDaniel was preaching in the locker

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Speaker 7: room afterwards, we are answering adversity, and what they were

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Speaker 7: actually doing was beating a bunch of teams that were

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Speaker 7: under five hundred, and then they started playing teams that

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Speaker 7: weren't under five hundred, and guess what they lost to

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Speaker 7: those teams. And in the last two years they're one

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Speaker 7: and eleven against teams with winning records. And so if

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Speaker 7: you're that and you're losing late in the season, you're

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Speaker 7: gaining the reputation as a soft kind of team and

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Speaker 7: kind of a fully that beats up on inferior teams

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Speaker 7: and then gets beaten up on when somebody you know

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Speaker 7: turns and faces you.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be an interesting season. Always is in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. And for the Browns, the top of

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Speaker 1: the drafts and Miami's quarterback cam are gonna make it

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Speaker 1: all the more interesting. Armando, always a pleasure, go enjoy

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Speaker 1: the sunshine, and we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate tonasan All right.

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Speaker 1: Armando Salgara, Senior writer for OutKick. He just joined us

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Speaker 1: gonna get some soundbites from cam Ward at Miami's pro

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. All right, let's get some sound bites from

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Speaker 1: cam Warden and Miami's pro day and the aftermath. First up,

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Speaker 1: cam ward on what he wanted to show teams at

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Speaker 1: his pro day.

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Speaker 9: I said, not only showing number every other team, just

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Speaker 9: throwing on rhythm with his three steps on rhythm, five

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Speaker 9: steps on rhythm for Under in the gun. You know

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Speaker 9: under center sub that I didn't get to show as

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Speaker 9: much during the season. Let her know that I'm capable

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Speaker 9: of it, and then under that is just making it

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Speaker 9: all about buy my receiver, Sean, I Throwdam, catchup with balls,

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Speaker 9: mat Sure and I have Boss at the ground. We

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Speaker 9: had a couple, but the d today you ain't will

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Speaker 9: be perfect. You always got stuff to get better.

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Speaker 1: Miami coach Mario Crystal bal on why teams should take

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Speaker 1: cam Ward in the draft.

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Speaker 5: First, I'd ask if they've watched film at all this year,

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Speaker 5: because since they have, I think it would make things

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Speaker 5: a little bit easier. But I would be completely honest

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Speaker 5: and transparent. He's one of one, you know, and not

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Speaker 5: only as a player, as a person and again, to

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Speaker 5: watch him on a daily basis attack the process of

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Speaker 5: being an elite teammate and competitor. I mean I'm talking

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Speaker 5: about every single practice, every rep. There are no wasted

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Speaker 5: downs or no wasted opportunities. He has just an uncommon

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Speaker 5: ability to bring the best out of people.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to watch him play on Sundays. Everybody

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Speaker 1: who talked to about him, they say that he is

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Speaker 1: absolutely a monster, competitor, leader, all of that, and somebody

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Speaker 1: that would be Lewis Ridick is raves about that aspect

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Speaker 1: of cam Ward. This is from Ian Rapaport on the

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Speaker 1: Titans and if they've made their decision at one yet

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Speaker 1: courtesy of NFL Network, and obviously we know with the

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Speaker 1: leak to Adam Scheff for today, that doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: they've made that decision, despite.

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Speaker 10: The fact that they haven't signed a veteran quarterback yet,

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Speaker 10: haven't made the firm and final decision that they are

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Speaker 10: making the pick. They are still going through the evaluation process.

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Speaker 10: I'm told the Titans are also going to have a

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Speaker 10: private workouts with cam Ward and Shador Sanders. Those should

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Speaker 10: be over the next two.

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Speaker 1: Or so weeks.

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Speaker 10: It is all part of the process, guys, for them

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Speaker 10: to evaluate where they are. Do they want to consider

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Speaker 10: potential offers to trade back, or do they want to

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Speaker 10: make the pick. I would say to me it seems

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Speaker 10: likely as of now make the pick. But certainly they

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Speaker 10: are not done.

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Speaker 7: With that decision.

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Speaker 1: They're not done. I think that's pretty darn clear. They

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Speaker 1: are not done because they said it now, Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: going to take even a bigger offer now now we

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Speaker 1: like them even more after a pro day, which is absurd,

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless that's what they said. And here is the consensus.

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Speaker 1: We all know this right that Ian Rapport is saying

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Speaker 1: who the number one pick will be.

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Speaker 10: It does seem to me, based on the people I've

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Speaker 10: spoken with, and this is obviously not a surprise that

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Speaker 10: he is looking increasingly likely that cam Ward is the

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Speaker 10: number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: It is not done.

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Speaker 10: If people are not done with their evaluations. We don't

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Speaker 10: even know what team is going to pick number one,

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Speaker 10: but certainly seems the most likely scenario is that cam

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Speaker 10: Ward is number one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cam Ward is going to go number one in

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Speaker 1: this draft. I think that is pretty clear. So if

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Speaker 1: you're in the cam Ward or only bucket that we

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Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning of the show, we'll go

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Speaker 1: through it. It doesn't seem likely that the Titans are

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Speaker 1: going to sit there and take Abdul Carter and allow

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Speaker 1: cam Ward to come to too. If the Browns are

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Speaker 1: gonna end up drafting cam Ward, sounds like they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to get to one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the ask is going to be a lot,

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Speaker 4: you know, to move up to number one. So I

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Speaker 4: mean that's it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you've got a chance to see him,

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Speaker 1: You've gotten a chance to have him in your building.

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Speaker 4: And talk to him, and now you wait for the

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Speaker 4: next steps. Here, what will the Tennessee delegation look like

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Speaker 4: on Friday? And then the following Friday is Colorado's pro Day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so will that same delegation go to Colorado.

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Speaker 1: So that'll be interesting to see. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that you certainly want to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the Pro days, today in Louisville, Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 1: is throwing the football around there. I'm sure he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have a very good workout. He's a guy who can

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Speaker 1: sling at twenty six some injury history though people think

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Speaker 1: that maybe he goes in the second round, third round.

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Speaker 1: Some people said he's gonna sneak into the first round.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. We'll see. On Draft Day tomorrow, we'll have

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Speaker 1: the Ohio State Buck guys, will Howard, quinch, On Judkins,

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Speaker 1: Trevion Henderson, Omega Buka and many many more from that loaded,

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Speaker 1: loaded squad there. We're just focusing on kind of the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and skill talent there. Friday will have Old Missus

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Speaker 1: Pro Day Jackson Dart and then the wide receiver Trey Harris,

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Speaker 1: who I like a lot. Penn State will also be

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Speaker 1: on Friday with Abdul Carter and then Colorado on April

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Speaker 1: the four should were Sanders, Travis Hunter, so Penn State

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Speaker 1: and Ole miss on the same day. That's interesting and

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, if you are the Titans,

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Speaker 1: if even if you were, let's say you're like, all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're not gonna take cam Ward, We're gonna trade.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go with Abdull Carter and then maybe Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart'd be somebody who looked at there. So there, that's

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be an interesting split. Now if they send

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Speaker 1: a big contingent to look at Jackson Dart and not

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Speaker 1: want much of one to look at Abdul Carter, that

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Speaker 1: tells me that they're definitely open to taking there. They

860
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: know what they got with Abdul Carter, but they want

861
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: to see Jackson Dart because they might be going for

862
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback later on in that one, which is an

863
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: interesting situation. So that's kind of the lineup of these

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Speaker 1: Pro Days again. Get that.

865
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: It's almost been like a feast or famine, and that

866
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, you're gonna have like seven Pro.

867
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Speaker 1: Days and well, good, we need something.

868
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 4: You're gonna basically have the same reaction that you had

869
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: to cam Wards. Oh, it was an amazing workout. Of course,

870
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: it was no defense that you should.

871
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: The Pro Days should only raise red flags. They should

872
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: not make you I mean, obviously want to see the

873
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: person throw the ball up clothes, but this is not

874
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: They should look good in a pro day. It would

875
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: have to be more. Oh man, they didn't look as good,

876
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: that would be much more of an issue than they

877
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: do look good, If that makes sense. They should look

878
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: good at a pro day. Yes, they should look great.

879
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: Opposed to you're supposed to. It's scripted that to your guys,

880
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: it's it's everything. So you should be good to go.

881
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: You should be able to find that and find that

882
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: relatively easily.

883
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: There.

884
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Speaker 1: So when we come back in hour number two, were

885
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: we got a lot of mock draft round ups, I'm

886
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Speaker 1: gonna kind of reset what I was talking about earlier

887
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: that there are really kind of four There are four

888
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: picks that can be made really for the Browns at

889
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: two four buckets, and there's really a fifth bucket, which

890
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: would be to trade. We'll talk about that as it stands,

891
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: but that's kind of where we're at right now for

892
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns in this draft, and it's going to

893
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: come down to the evaluations of Andrew Berry and his team,

894
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: most likely on cam Warden sure Sanders. That's going to

895
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Speaker 1: guide us into whatever bucket we're going to end up in.

896
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Speaker 1: So we'll go through that again. We'll go through some

897
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Speaker 1: mock drafts with some results and let you guys know

898
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of where everything stands in terms of the perception

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Speaker 1: right now around the National Football League. Our number two,

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Speaker 1: the staff writer from Yahoo's Sports and former college backup

909
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Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson at Wisconsin, released a profile on Shor

910
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Speaker 1: Sanders also released profile on cam Ward and he is

911
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Speaker 1: a big cam Ward fan, so we will get his

912
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Speaker 1: opinion there. Let's take a look at the mock draft

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. All right, where do reporters currently have the

919
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: Browns going over with the number two overall pick lately?

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00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: Here as some We'll start, though, first with a clip

921
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Speaker 1: from Get Up This Morning with Mike Tannenbomb Greeney, and

922
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Speaker 1: Tim Hasselbeck.

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Speaker 11: I like Schrdor Sanders. I think he's gonna be a

924
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 11: good NFL quarterback. I comp him to Kirk Cousins. I

925
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 11: think he has a really high flour. Maybe not the

926
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 11: biggest sealing in the world, but he's accurated. He led

927
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Speaker 11: the nation a completion percentage, and he's extremely tough, greedy

928
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 11: ninety four sacks over the last two years. So I

929
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 11: think he's a good player. I just don't see elite skills.

930
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: Tim.

931
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 6: If the Giants take, is the Giants taking Shador Sanders

932
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 6: at number three the right pick.

933
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Speaker 12: If he's as good as Kirk Cousins, it's the right pick.

934
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Speaker 12: That might sound crazy because Kirk Cousins was a fourth

935
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Speaker 12: round pick, but Kirk Cousins like played winning football, stabilize

936
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Speaker 12: the quarterback position and the stops where he's been. So look,

937
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Speaker 12: if Washington would have done the right thing and given

938
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Speaker 12: him the deal he deserved early on, they would have

939
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 12: been better for it. So look, Mike t is saying

940
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 12: like his comp is Kirk Cousins. Again, ahead, I'm not

941
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Speaker 12: trying to like and I hate to say this like

942
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 12: in some ways because I think people are going to

943
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 12: read it the wrong way. I actually think the comp

944
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 12: is Andy Dalton. Now, Andy Dalton's another guy that's thrown

945
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 12: over two hundred and fifty you know, touchdowns throughout his career.

946
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 12: Andy Daldalon stabilize things in Cincinnati. Andy Dalton took that

947
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 12: organization to the playoffs four different times. And Mike said

948
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Speaker 12: something I think is critical to kind.

949
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Speaker 1: Of listen to.

950
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: He's a good quarterback.

951
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 12: Like, I think there's confidence that he will be a

952
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 12: good quarterback. I actually think that he's very pro ready

953
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 12: with how he's been coached, with how smart he is,

954
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 12: how he plays the position, and so I think that's

955
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 12: just this like tricky you know, area to be like.

956
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 12: But we're picking at the top of the draft, and

957
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 12: so do you want to draft a good quarterback at

958
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 12: the top of the draft, or are you hopeful to

959
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 12: draft a great quarterback at the top of the draft. Look,

960
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 12: I think you can make the argument that draft in

961
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 12: a good one, a guy that will be a starter

962
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 12: for a decade, is still the right decision. You know,

963
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 12: Like look, Andy Dalton didn't win a super Bowl, like

964
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 12: Kirk Cousins, you know, didn't win a super Bowl.

965
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 3: So like there's the element of well, what do you do?

966
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 12: But like drafting the guy Trey Lance, you know, Anthony

967
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 12: Richardson that's got this super high you know, potential, Well,

968
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 12: like that gets guys fired. So I don't think it's

969
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 12: wrong to draft a good quarterback on the top half

970
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 12: of the first round. But you can easily argue that

971
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 12: that it's not going to get you to the ultimate goal.

972
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Speaker 1: And I think that is the big question, right, And

973
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: that goes back to how we open the show, and

974
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Speaker 1: how I opened the show and said, here are the

975
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Speaker 1: buckets and Jack already Doctor J has already put out

976
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Speaker 1: a video from that beginning, but I'll just reset it

977
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: if you're just joining us. There are five ways that

978
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: this thing could go for the Cleveland Browns. There's really

979
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of like four camps is what I would say,

980
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: because two of them are kind of the same camp.

981
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: But the number one is cam Word or Bust, and

982
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: that we know now from the Titan statement there. I

983
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: don't see why they put that out if they're one

984
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent taking cam Ward. Now, Armando Algero earlier from

985
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: Al Kick said they're doing that because they want to

986
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: make sure when they make that final decision that they

987
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: have all the best information. Now that being said, that

988
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: makes me feel like they haven't made the decision, so

989
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: they are not one hundred percent set on cam Ward.

990
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: So if you're the Browns and you want cam Ward,

991
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: there are two things Tennessee takes ab dual Carter.

992
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: One.

993
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: I think we've heard now from everybody that the first

994
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: pick in the draft is going to be cam Ward,

995
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: whether that's from the Tennessee Titans, or whether it's from

996
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns or the New York Giants, or maybe

997
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: there's some team we don't even know about, but that

998
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: cam Ward is going to be the first pick in

999
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: this draft. So if you want if you're a Browns

1000
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: team and it's cam Ward or Bust, the only way

1001
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're going to get to draft cam

1002
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: Ward is by trading with Tennessee and going to number one. Overall,

1003
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: that's it. What does that cost we don't know now.

1004
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: If they're not sold on them, that means that they

1005
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: would rather take somebody else, or at least equally take

1006
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: somebody else. Because you're two, you have the advantage that

1007
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: they can still get that same guy picking it too.

1008
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: They cannot necessarily get that guy picking at three if

1009
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: they had cam Ward an abdul Carter the same. They

1010
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: can't guarantee abdul Carter a three. We could take him

1011
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: in that scenario. So that's where your advantage there, which

1012
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: significantly reduces your price to get from two to one.

1013
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: So that's one camp. If that's where you're at, you're

1014
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: making that call, you're trying to get that done. And

1015
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're engaged right now in a game of chicken.

1016
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: Who's gonna blink first, who's gonna say, Okay, I'll take

1017
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: your offer or okay, I'll up my offer to your

1018
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: asking price. Those discussions have to be happening. I think

1019
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: I think they are, because it's just you've heard Andrew

1020
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: Berry say, they're calling about everything, all the different options

1021
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: all the time. So getting the number one pick in

1022
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: a draft where if if you believe it's a one

1023
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: quarterback draft, that conversation's happening. Now. If you believe it's

1024
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: a two quarterback draft, then this becomes so simple, so simple.

1025
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: If you believe, like Mike Tannenbaum, the Chadeur Sanders or

1026
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: like Bucky Brooks, the chaduor Sanders is a top core,

1027
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: then it's easy. You say it too, and you take

1028
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: cam Ward or shud Door Sanders, which means you probably

1029
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: are taking Shoud or Sanders based on everything that we've heard.

1030
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: If not, the next bucket would be to take a

1031
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: position player, and I think the two options are Travis

1032
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: Hunter and Abdull Carter. Travis Hunter, who Andrew Berry views

1033
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: as a receiver. He is a weapon guy who could

1034
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: play some quarter for you as well in big you know,

1035
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: high leverage situations helps you score. You're the worst scoring

1036
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: offense in the NFL. So you can get Travis Hunter,

1037
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: which I think is an appealing thing to me. Of

1038
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: the position players that we're here, give me a weapon,

1039
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: give me Travis Hunter. The other one is Abdul Carter.

1040
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I like our defensive end room. I understand that Carter

1041
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: and Miles Garrett. If you know Abdul Carter, let's say

1042
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: he's Micah Parsons dead. Michael Parsons and Miles Garrett sounds incredible,

1043
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: It does, sounds great, sound suffocating. I still know how

1044
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna score, and both of these those picks means

1045
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: you're your rookie gamble then, could be Jackson Dart, could

1046
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: be a Tyler Shuck. I suppose it could be a

1047
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: mill Row, but I don't I don't really see that

1048
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: in terms of his skill set currently and what we're

1049
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: trying to be on offense. I don't think we're doing

1050
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: a Baltimore change everything for Lamar Jackson. I think we're

1051
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: running Kevin's Fancy's offense. That is a's a that's a

1052
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: big leap for Jalen Milroe. Could be a Kyle McCord,

1053
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: could be a Will Howard. You know, now you're getting

1054
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: down into you know, Day three guys most likely, but

1055
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: that's that's where things change. So could that work out? Yes? Historically,

1056
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: is it more likely that you're gonna have success on

1057
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: a quarterback because you draft them early? Yes, because they're

1058
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: worthy of being drafted early. Not if you don't believe

1059
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: that Shador is that guy can be a top sixteen quarterback.

1060
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: You don't take him early. So that gets you to

1061
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: this book, the Hunter or Abdull Carter. Me personally, i'd

1062
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: rather have cam Word. I believe in Shador, so I'd

1063
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: be fine with Shador. Then get me Travis Hunter, and

1064
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: then for me it's trade down. And that's not against

1065
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter. I think Abdil Carter is a great player.

1066
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: I just think when I look at the Browns biggest needs.

1067
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: Number one it's quarterback, and number two it's overhaul the offense.

1068
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: We need to score period. We cannot score. We're the

1069
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: worst scoring team in the league. And ab Dul Carter

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Speaker 1: great player. We've had the number one defense. Didn't win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game. We didn't. We didn't win a playoff

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Speaker 1: game we've and it's hard to be dominant on defense

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Speaker 1: year after year after year after year after year after

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Speaker 1: year after year. And I think ideally it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal.

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Speaker 1: That's good, but you're into Miles Garrett in that room

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Speaker 1: for quite some time now. The idea I'm guessing would

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Speaker 1: be a draft to Abdul Carter, and then as he

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Speaker 1: miles ages out, Abdul Carter then the guy who signed

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Speaker 1: to a biggest etension. So you have kind of continuity

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Speaker 1: of a dominant ed rusher for a very very long time,

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Speaker 1: which I again, I get that if we were a

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Speaker 1: team that had a quarterback or a decent offense, but

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Speaker 1: we had somebody that we liked, even if we had

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Speaker 1: a bon Nix. If we're the Denver Broncos, we had

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Speaker 1: bon Nicks, it's a no brainer Hunter or Carter, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. But that's not who we are, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: And so then that's the fourth and final bucket. If

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Speaker 1: it's not cam Ward, if it's not Shador, if it's

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Speaker 1: not a position player, and I guess you could say

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Speaker 1: Mason Graham could be in the discussion as well, but

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Speaker 1: it really feels to me like it's Travis Hunter or

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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter. Then it's to trade down and try to

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Speaker 1: get assets for the inevitable push for a quarterback that's

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Speaker 1: hopefully coming in twenty twenty six. And that means you're

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Speaker 1: looking at Kenny Pickett, You're looking at you know, potentially

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, You're looking at Carson Wentz and then maybe

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Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks that you can get on day two,

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Speaker 1: day three. You know, Chuck McCord, Howard, you know Dart.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's gonna go in the first round,

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Speaker 1: So maybe are you trading back in? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but to me, those are kind of the scenarios of

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Speaker 1: where you're at, and a lot of it hinges on.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a choose your own adventure. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it's okay, our first path is cam Ward. Can

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Speaker 1: we get cam Ward? Yes? Then we draft cam Ward

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Speaker 1: and this conversation is all moot. If not, you have

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Speaker 1: to advance the option two. Option two would be you

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Speaker 1: believe Andrew Berry, the Chador Sanders, Andrew Barring, Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: You believe Shador Sanders can be a top sixteen quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if so, then boom, it's easy.

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Speaker 1: You picture Door Sanders and that's it. Now you're done

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Speaker 1: your ventures. And if you can't get cam Ward, and

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Speaker 1: if you don't believe in Shudi Sanders, now you go

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Speaker 1: to option three, which is Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 1: Top two players on most people's boards consensus boards, those

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Speaker 1: are the most talented guys in this draft, but doesn't

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Speaker 1: help you with the quarterback situation at all. So that says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine not addressing quarterback this year. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: figure it out at some point and not utilize the

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Speaker 1: number two pick in the NFL draft, which is a

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Speaker 1: very valuable asset to give us a shot out of

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Speaker 1: this situation, which really is the only way out is

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Speaker 1: to draft a rookie quarterback and have him be that

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Speaker 1: good top sixteen on a rookie deal. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do that. We're just gonna take a position player that's tough.

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Speaker 1: And if you say, well, ah, that doesn't accomplish my

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Speaker 1: goals of getting me where I need to be for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, then it leads you to the fourth and

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Speaker 1: final option, which is to trade down. Now, trading down

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Speaker 1: requires what requires interest, Right, somebody's got to want to

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Speaker 1: come up to number two for Abdul carter Ford, Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 1: for Schudor Sanders, and it's got to come with a

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Speaker 1: package that provides assets that allow you because guess what,

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of holes. We need assets. But

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Speaker 1: that provides you assets with an opportunity to say, okay,

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Speaker 1: in twenty six or twenty seven, we're now positioned to

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Speaker 1: go after a quarterback because we have the assets. Keeping

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Speaker 1: in mind that if there's a quarterback that you want

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Speaker 1: and the team that has that pick that is slated

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Speaker 1: to take them and they don't want to give them up,

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Speaker 1: you can't get them anyway. So that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: you're at. And really, if you go through to me

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01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: door two or door three, you're saying, my short term

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Speaker 1: swing at the quarterback position, or door three or door four,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, which would be Travis Hunter or Abduel Carter

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Speaker 1: or you trade down. You're saying, my short term solution

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01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: is either going to be Kenny Pickett, might might bite

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: at the apple for a long term solution is going

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Speaker 1: to be Kenny Pickett, or it is going to be

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Speaker 1: you know, a dart or a shuck. And that's probably

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Speaker 1: where you're going to be at. So the question is

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Speaker 1: can you get cam Ward number one? If not, then

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Speaker 1: you go here is Shad or the guy? If you

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Speaker 1: don't believe, So now you're on too three or four.

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Speaker 1: Are we staying there using this asset on to get

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Speaker 1: the best player we think possible or are we going

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: to try to use this asset to accumulate other assets,

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Speaker 1: adding talent, but also giving us an opportunity to still

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Speaker 1: get after a quarterback. And that's really kind of where

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Speaker 1: where it all shakes out. That's it, And now we're

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Speaker 1: going to go through some of these mocks.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, we can do that after the

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Speaker 4: break because I have a question for you as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, Gibby's got a question. We got mox. We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you whereybody's got it. Then the confounding commentary that

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Speaker 1: surrounds all of these picks, we'll get that for you

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Speaker 1: Give two things? Two things. Now we've doubled one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: What do you make of what JJ McCarthy said this

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Speaker 1: morning on Up in Adams? What did JJ McCarthy say?

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Speaker 4: Jj McCarthy was asked by k Adams about starting this

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Speaker 4: year for the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: His response quote, they haven't told me, and I'm happy

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Speaker 4: they didn't because I try to earn it every single day.

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Speaker 4: I never want that to be given to me. It's

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Speaker 4: such a privilege and an opportunity to give me that chance.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna make the most of it every single day.

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Speaker 1: I don't even mention that he's he is the starter.

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Speaker 1: That's why Sam Darnold's not there. It's he's the starter,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, airing of the grievances. Okay, this whole there is

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: it's not a whole, it's not a whole big thing,

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: but there is a group that are every year. Hey,

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Speaker 4: next year's quarterback class is going to be next year's

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Speaker 4: quarterback class is going to be great. Have any of

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Speaker 4: these lived up to that expectation? Except the twenty class,

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Speaker 4: And even then we didn't know a whole lot because.

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Speaker 1: It was COVID No, and it's changed so much. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like Baker a year before was never going to be

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Speaker 1: the number one pick. Kyler Murray the year before that

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Speaker 1: was not going to be the number one pick. It's

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: it's those things are so hard to predict. I mean,

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01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: everybody's saying arch Man, we haven't really seen him play.

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Speaker 1: What arch says, I'm not.

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Speaker 7: I'm going back to school.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he is coming out next year. I

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Speaker 1: think he'll be in twenty twenty seven. That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about Drew Aller, You're talking about nuss Meyer, right,

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Speaker 1: is that the guy who's in LSU Carson Beck. Like

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Speaker 1: Carson Beck was supposed to be the top quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this class, and now he's going to be at Miami.

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Speaker 1: So Carson Beck, That's what I mean. A whole lot

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Speaker 1: of Look, hey, you might get injured here and now, right,

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Speaker 1: And so that's why again I think that if you

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Speaker 1: have the ability and you are ready to, if you

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Speaker 1: have the conviction, then it's easy. It's path one or

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Speaker 1: path two. If you don't have the conviction and path two,

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Speaker 1: you've got to find a way to make path one

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Speaker 1: work for you, because it's the most important position in sports.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like the Titans, based on their statement

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Speaker 1: to Adam Schefter today, are open for business. So those

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Speaker 1: are the two things that you really you need to do.

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Speaker 1: I think you're spot on there. I do think that

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Speaker 1: again when I go through the next part, because you

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Speaker 1: have people who are just all in an Abdul Carter,

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Speaker 1: you know, you go through some of the analytics and

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Speaker 1: stuff like this, and I'll quote the great Cleave Ta

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Speaker 1: right here and I'll retweet it for people as well.

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Speaker 1: And this is what is hard for me to get

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Speaker 1: my head around with. Call it if if we're picking

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, why I prefer Travis Hunter

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Speaker 1: because I think he can help us in offense. So

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Speaker 1: the Browns last year, we're number one in pressure rate.

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Speaker 1: They are number five in pressure rate without blitzing, number

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Speaker 1: nine in quick pressure rate overall last year with Miles

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Speaker 1: Garrett and the people you had here last year, MALIEK

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Speaker 1: Collins should be a pass rushing upgrade over Dalvin Tomlins

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Speaker 1: and he's had back to back five sex season. Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Thomson never had more than three and a half in

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Speaker 1: the season. My call is healthy McGuire, played well, right,

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Speaker 1: played well. You bring in Tryon Shoyinko, who's got first

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Speaker 1: round pedigree. So I don't understand, like, that's not the

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Speaker 1: problem with this football team.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of holes, and the biggest hole

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Speaker 1: is offense thirty second in scoring, thirty second in EPA,

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Speaker 1: like a, we got more than acceptable edge play opposite

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. Is it as good as having two Miles

1250
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Speaker 1: Garretts out there? Probably not. But one other thing that

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: you have to understand when you're the Browns, because you

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: have Miles Garrett. From a scheme standpoint, teams get the

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Speaker 1: ball out much faster against us than they do against

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Speaker 1: anybody else. That's gonna happen. And if you only have

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: so much time to get there, you only have so

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Speaker 1: much time to get there.

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Speaker 4: And the biggest thing is we look at these mocks

1258
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 4: and g men did a great job putting all these together.

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Speaker 4: There's seven mocks and three of them have abdual Carter

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Speaker 4: and then the immediate pick after abdual Carter at number

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Speaker 4: three is shad Or Sanders So and they're like, it's

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Speaker 4: a great quarterback. It's it's a guy that can change

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Speaker 4: your franchise. Why is that not okay for my franchise.

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Speaker 1: That's the part about that's very frustrating. And again it

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: comes down to the reality of the situation that I

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Speaker 1: said is, Look, it makes no sense in the mock standpoint,

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Speaker 1: But if the Browns believe what these people seem to believe,

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: that he's the answer for the Giants, and thus the

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: Browns would believe that he was the answer for them

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Speaker 1: in Shoudar Sanders, They're gonna take him and it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But you've got Chris Deprasso, Travis Hunter, Nate Tyson, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Charles McDonald, yeahoo, Travis Hunter, Chadrouter, NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Abdul Carter, Daniel Jeremiah, Abdul Carter, Pete Prisco,

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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, Mike Tannebaum who loves Mike camm who loves Chadour,

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Speaker 1: has us taking Travis Hunter and then says the next

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Speaker 1: you know, Shadar Sanders is great. Bucky Brooks as the

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Speaker 1: Browns taking Shador Sanders and he is the top quarterback

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Speaker 1: for Bucky Brooks in this draft. Trepasso says this, even

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Speaker 1: without a long term quarterback solution on the roster. The

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Speaker 1: Browns would take Travis Hunter Tyson McDonald. The Browns could

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Speaker 1: certainly use a young quarterback to groom Tyson. I think

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Speaker 1: is of the belief that Travis Hunter isn't there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know Art that Shador's out there. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where he has Shadour going in his mock Reuter trading

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Speaker 1: for Kenny Pickett means the Browns could focus on taking

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Speaker 1: the best player available before picking up another quarterback. It does, no,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. I want Kenny picking to be a success

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Speaker 1: two fifteen to ten. I've talked about it. Seven game

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Speaker 1: winning drives. I think that's all great, but that is

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Speaker 1: not this is the way we go. But what I

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Speaker 1: talked about is one of the outcomes if you don't

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Speaker 1: take one of these guys early. That is kind of,

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Speaker 1: in some way, the way you're going, Jeremi. The Browns

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Speaker 1: be waghing taking Carter second and a quarterback in round

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Speaker 1: two versus picking shred Wear Sanders at two and taking

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Speaker 1: an edge. Now it's considered a deep edge class, and

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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that you're gonna get the guy you

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Speaker 1: want at thirty three. If that's your plan is to

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback down there. There really is no guarantee

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Speaker 1: Prisco they will consider quarterback here, but I think they

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Speaker 1: pass and take an elite edge Rusher Tanmabam Cleveland's quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I considered Colorado should door Sanders here. I think

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Speaker 1: if Abdul Carter, I just think for us, it is

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Speaker 1: so fun to think about that. But I think about

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Speaker 1: high Smith and t J. Watt dominating, and they did

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Speaker 1: two years ago. I think they both had double digit

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Speaker 1: sacks and were dominant there. And if you kind of

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Speaker 1: add in, you know, herbig along with if you had

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Speaker 1: herbig in along with high Smith last year because they've

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Speaker 1: they were all hurt, you still had kind of two

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Speaker 1: double digit sack people off of the edge. So guess what.

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Speaker 1: They lost their last five games with Russell Wilson a

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Speaker 1: quarterback and lost in the playoffs. And we're not able

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Speaker 1: to get it done. Why they could not score the

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Speaker 1: ball enough that we couldn't score the ball. That's what

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Speaker 1: we're How many times do we say, will you just

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Speaker 1: get to twenty points? Yes, I would love to score.

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Speaker 1: So last year for them, TJ. Watt had eleven and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks. Cam Hayward had eight high Smith and

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Speaker 1: herbig at eleven and a half combined opposite him. So

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Speaker 1: look at that boom. You go back to the year

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Speaker 1: before and I think it was even more dominant. And

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Speaker 1: then we'll take a break. You go back to the

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Speaker 1: previous season in twenty three when what let's see what

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Speaker 1: led the league with nineteen high Smith and Golden opposite

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Speaker 1: him and herbig opposite had fourteen. I mean that's thirty

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Speaker 1: three sacks off the edge group? Like, did they win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: You got to be able to score the football, and

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Speaker 1: that was with Kenny Pickett. But you gotta be able

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Speaker 1: to score, all right. When we come back, Nate tics

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Speaker 1: he has a Browns taking Travis Hunter. We will talk

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Speaker 1: to him about about that pick. We'll talk as well

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Speaker 1: about Schador Sanders, about cam Ward, he is all he

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Speaker 1: is in the Path one. He's in the Path one

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Speaker 1: camp that it's that it's cam Ward. So we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to him about kind of just the Browns philosophy, his

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Speaker 1: thought process on that and much more when we return

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Speaker 1: and we were joined by Nate Ty, staff writer for

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Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports. Nate, it is good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the program. This has been a wild and kind of

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: almost in some ways dull off season. I'm ready for

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: this draft to get here so we know what the

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Speaker 1: heck is gonna happen. How's this kind of whole off

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: season draft process fell to you?

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Speaker 6: The usual a lot of noise followed by more noise,

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01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 6: followed by silent, followed by manufactured noise, and then then

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 6: we're at the draft. So it's it's just kind of

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Speaker 6: how the draft usually just goes. There's just a lot

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Speaker 6: of different narratives out there, people trying to create content,

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01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 6: content that comes naturally. So it's just kind of the

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Speaker 6: usual draft process. I feel like I've kept my head

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Speaker 6: above water at least getting your cre agency now middle

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Speaker 6: of draft.

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Speaker 1: That is good. We appreciate that. I know that you

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Speaker 1: from reading and you put out kind of these profiles

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Speaker 1: on on cam warden Shador Sanders, and you are I

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Speaker 1: laid out for the Browns a picked two earlier on

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Speaker 1: the program, kind of that. There are four buckets. If

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Speaker 1: you're the Browns, Bucket one is you believe that it's

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Speaker 1: cam Ward and cam Ward only in this draft at

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and you are probably only going to

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Speaker 1: get him if Tennessee is willing to make a deal.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the comments released through Adam Scheffer indicate

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Speaker 1: that they're at least open to exploring that. So if

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Speaker 1: that's bucket one, Bucket two would be you actually are

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Speaker 1: a believer in Schaudre Sanders. I know that you are

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Speaker 1: not as much of a believer in Shadere Sanders at

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Speaker 1: pick number two. But if the Browns, let's say, were

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Speaker 1: like some other analysts out there, you can take him

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Speaker 1: at two. If you are not a believer in Surdeer,

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Speaker 1: you can't get cam Ward. That puts you in a

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Speaker 1: two spots. Either take a position player, which would be

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01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, who you have for the Browns, who helps

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: at least the offense which is last in the NFL,

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: or Abdul Carter or you trade down and try to

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Speaker 1: load up for going after a quarterback, either later in

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Speaker 1: this draft or in twenty twenty six or beyond. How

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Speaker 1: do you see this draft? And it sounds to me

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Speaker 1: like you would be if you were the Browns Andrew

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Speaker 1: Berry You're in the We've got to find a way

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Speaker 1: to get to number one for cam Ward.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of where if you have to come

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Speaker 6: out of this draft for the quarterback, that's the mandate

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Speaker 6: that you've dictated to yourself, which might be in Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: That's what you're trying to do. You're trying to coax

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Speaker 6: the number one pick away from Tennessee and convince them that, oh, no,

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Speaker 6: we want cam Ward.

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Speaker 3: You don't.

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Speaker 6: And because I do think this is a one quarterback draft,

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Speaker 6: not saying that none of the other guys outside of

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Speaker 6: cam Ward do not have a shot to become a

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Speaker 6: starter or a quality starter or anything like that, just

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 6: as prospects I like to look at as a star, starter, bench,

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 6: or bust, kind of like hierarchy. Not hierarchy, but a

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 6: pie chart. I guess, you know, a likelihood and I

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01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 6: just think the one that has the most likelihood of

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01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 6: as cam Ward and the rest are more guys that

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01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 6: I look at bench with some chance of starting. So

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Speaker 6: if you're the Browns, I really don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I've never been a person, and I think this is

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Speaker 6: just anyone that looks.

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Speaker 3: At team building.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to be desperate to take a quarterback,

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Speaker 6: either in the draft or free agency, and then you're

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Speaker 6: attached to that quarterback hell or high water, and then

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Speaker 6: that's that. And if the hell, then you're out of

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Speaker 6: a job and the person that follows them probably won't

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Speaker 6: want that quarterback, and then it's just you credit a

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Speaker 6: new mess for the new regime. So no matter what,

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Speaker 6: you're getting the worst of both worlds. So that's why

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Speaker 6: I think when you have a one quarterback draft class

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Speaker 6: like this, that means you don't do anything desperate early,

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Speaker 6: which when not doing anything desperate to me is trading

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Speaker 6: back or taking VPA best player available, which to me

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Speaker 6: would be you know, a dual. Carter and Travis Hunter

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Speaker 6: are the best players to me as a draft the

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Speaker 6: top two guys I usually defer to the trenches, so

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Speaker 6: that'd be Carter and then maybe throw it.

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Speaker 3: I think the rest of.

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Speaker 6: This quarterback class, even guys I do like I'm bullish.

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Speaker 6: I'm more bullish on a guy like Riley Leondard. I'm

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Speaker 6: including Sear Sanders, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, any of these

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Speaker 6: guys that you think might have a shot.

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Speaker 3: I would wait.

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Speaker 6: Until day two to take that shot, because as soon

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Speaker 6: as you put round one next year quarterback, you're anointing them,

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Speaker 6: and that means you have to give them reps. And

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Speaker 6: if you're not a place that can have patience either

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Speaker 6: through this season or future season, then that's not really

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Speaker 6: the situation that's going to benefit a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: especially if you're squinting to see the type of talent there.

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Speaker 6: So yes, I think it's a cam word only type

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Speaker 6: of drafting round one but only takes one team, as

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Speaker 6: many people say, and people do desperate things for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 6: especially there's so much neat out there.

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Speaker 1: What if in a scenario? So and that's I think

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Speaker 1: these are a very possible outcome that that's how the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns feel about Sugar Sanders as well. I do

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Speaker 1: think it's also possible that it reminds Kevin Stefanski of

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have had a lot of success in his offense,

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Speaker 1: and they think they can clean up as you talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the drifting and things like that, but

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: if he's operating in structure with you know, in rhythm,

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01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: he can be deadly accurate and pick somebody apart. And

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Speaker 1: some of the other analysts think that that is you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing is processing his accuracy all

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Speaker 1: of those things. What would be this does scheme matter

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Speaker 1: to you in an evaluation like that or for you

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Speaker 1: is it much more? Who's the best ball of clay?

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Speaker 1: And I think there is pretty much unanimous consensus that

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Speaker 1: the best ball of clay is certainly cam Ward.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's tools have to be there has.

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Speaker 6: To be a baseline for tools, meaning you know, speed,

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Speaker 6: arm strength, arm talent, and I think there is some

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Speaker 6: you know, I think a lot of people will use. Well,

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Speaker 6: you know, Tom Brady was in the fastest guy. Tom

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Speaker 6: Brady was six five, two hundred and thirty pounds and

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Speaker 6: had a very good arm. So you know, there's thresholds

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Speaker 6: for these things that sure that you have to have

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Speaker 6: a certain size, a certain strength, with a certain athleticism

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Speaker 6: and a certain arm strength to get there. And that's

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Speaker 6: the ball of clay. And I think you don't have

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Speaker 6: to be an all world talent. C. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud is actually plenty fast.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't run a lot, but he has you know,

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Speaker 6: good tools as far as arm strength, even if his

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Speaker 6: size isn't overwhelming. You know, so you do, but do

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Speaker 6: you do have to have a baseline there? I think

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Speaker 6: in all those thresholds, especially to play modern quarterback. Having

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Speaker 6: said that, I think there's still stuff from college schemes

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Speaker 6: that you can translate no matter what the.

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Speaker 3: College scheme is.

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Speaker 6: Even I've been kind of curious with some discussion asking

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Speaker 6: about Colorado's offense, which is you know, this is oh,

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Speaker 6: this is an offense that didn't do them favors. That's

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Speaker 6: kind of a you know, you have an opposite coordinator

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Speaker 6: that's had NFL experience at a head coach and offense

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Speaker 6: course and correct and has run successful offenses in the past,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of those schemes. To me, the concepts

1490
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 6: that they ran in Colorado were day one, day two

1491
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 6: concepts that you see universal, especially not from maybe a

1492
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 6: true Shanahan offense, but West Coast NFL type schemes. Why cross,

1493
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,440
Speaker 6: which everybody wants. They run a lot of hack field reconcepts,

1494
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 6: which is like a high low dig and underneath route

1495
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 6: and then a scene turn, which is a stop around

1496
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 6: on the other side. But as they read for the

1497
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 6: quarterback that it's too high, you go one way. If

1498
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 6: it's one high, you go the other way. And that's

1499
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 6: a kind of an introductory NFL concept or and a

1500
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 6: passing game concept even in college, I would say too.

1501
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 6: And that's why I think there's some discussions, Well, you know,

1502
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 6: he has to he has to over come that scheme.

1503
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 6: It's like, well, this is this is normal scheme.

1504
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:04,839
Speaker 3: This is a very.

1505
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 6: Typical scheme that you see. It's kind of a vanilla

1506
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 6: NFL schemes that Colorado ran, at least some of the

1507
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 6: passing game concepts. They ran a lot of screens, et cetera,

1508
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 6: et cetera. But that's where if you're taking a quarterback

1509
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 6: in the top ten or taking a quarterback at number two,

1510
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 6: especially all right, you have to have a threshold of tools.

1511
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 6: I don't think Sudr Sanders has great tools. I think

1512
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 6: he is adequate sized, average size. I think he's an

1513
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 6: average at best athlete. I think he can be an

1514
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 6: efficient scrambler, but he does not win that way, and

1515
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 6: I think that's why he takes some sacks. And that's

1516
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 6: why the drifting is a tough thing that I think

1517
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 6: to overcome. But so to me is okay, he can

1518
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 6: develop into this processor from the pocket. This is where

1519
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 6: even in my article at the end, I was kind

1520
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 6: of like, I have trouble gauging that or taking that

1521
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 6: in the top ten. When you say he needs time

1522
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 6: and it doesn't have good tools. Usually the guys that

1523
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 6: need time have tools to help them have at least

1524
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 6: some floor. And so that's why I get scared or

1525
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 6: you take a guy early. So that's that's where I

1526
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 6: came to give me the quarterbacks that compared him to

1527
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 6: a kirk Cousins, which you mentioned had that's in this

1528
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 6: type of offense. I mentioned even a Teddy Bridgewater as

1529
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 6: a Comparisonster Sanders those guys. Kirk Cousins was taking round four.

1530
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 6: Tay Bridgewater was the last pick in round one that

1531
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 6: they traded up for. Again, those are different your gauge,

1532
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 6: the expectations changed when you're taking those.

1533
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 3: Routes, not number two overall. So that's again I.

1534
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 7: Feel like I'm always cold water, but I'm talking about this.

1535
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 6: But this is just kind of where this is where

1536
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 6: my mind goes as far as kind of risk reward

1537
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 6: of what you're trying to get at the quarterback position,

1538
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 6: which is everything.

1539
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 3: We all know this.

1540
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 6: This is you take chances at this position around fans know,

1541
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 6: but it's just you take chances because if you get

1542
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 6: a guy, everything else becomes better. But it's just that

1543
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 6: this profile is a lot riskier to me than I

1544
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 6: think people are expecting it to be.

1545
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 1: It's interesting, he's and he is. It feels like there's

1546
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: a wide range. Now nobody says that he's you know, garbage,

1547
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: it's I'd rather take him at the beginning of the

1548
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: second round than number two. And then there's some people

1549
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: that think he's, you know, the best quarterback in this class,

1550
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: and others there's He is very polarizing, I think for

1551
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, obviously, but I think even his

1552
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: tape and his skill set and how that translate is

1553
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: more polarizing the NFL. So let's just say walking through

1554
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of with our head that you have, you know,

1555
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: cam word goes one. The Browns are not able to

1556
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: pull off a trade to get to one. They have

1557
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: the same opinion of Sanders that you do. So now

1558
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: you're in a position where there are two choices. Take

1559
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: the best player available, or trade down and hope that

1560
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: somebody either wants one of the best players available or

1561
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 1: that they have a differing opinion of Shad or Sanders

1562
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: than you do, to acquire some assets to maybe make

1563
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: a run for a quarterback, either later on in that

1564
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: first round or in the future, which is we know

1565
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: is always icy. So let's say what the best player available.

1566
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 1: I think it sounds like it's Carter or it's Hunter.

1567
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 1: Do you factor in when you give the Browns Travis Hunter,

1568
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: that this is the worst offense in the league, and

1569
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: that this is a team that needs maybe a playmaker

1570
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: more than it needs another defensive end.

1571
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 6: I just always when I'm going ranking you positions, your

1572
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 6: positional value is really held get convoluted because it's all

1573
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 6: sto team based too, and but really, best player available

1574
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 6: to me the tie. I think it's so hard for

1575
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 6: me because I think Travis Hunter has special, like absolutely

1576
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 6: special qualities at corner back and the offensive side. I

1577
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 6: think he could be a contributor. But I think and

1578
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 6: I think he has this again, when we're talking about

1579
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 6: athletic ability, he's special. One of the greatest athletes I've

1580
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 6: ever watched on SOLM it's a lot of fun to watch.

1581
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,839
Speaker 3: It's just that he's one hundred.

1582
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 6: And eighty eight pounds. And I have big, big things

1583
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 6: about weight because I think it's just a big it's

1584
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 6: it's what teams look at to and I think the

1585
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 6: offense gets ignored by us in the media or US

1586
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 6: you know, maybe outside of the teams. But you know,

1587
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 6: there's more likelihood that Travis Hunter at a hundred eight, say,

1588
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 6: let's ca him one hundred ninety pounds, would have more

1589
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 6: success historically on the defensive side of the ball than offense.

1590
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 6: He'd be more looked at, more of a contributor on

1591
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 6: offense than defense. I even looked at the stats beforehand,

1592
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 6: but I believe there's only two All pros since nineteen

1593
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 6: ninety that were one hundred ninety pounds or less. They're

1594
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 6: taking the top two rounds, while there is eight on defense,

1595
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 6: twenty three Pro bowlers or a sub one hundred ninety

1596
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 6: pounds to make a Pro Bowlers since nineteen ninety. Only

1597
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 6: five receivers or some one hundred ninety pounds that made

1598
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 6: the Pro Bowls since nineteen ninety. Day Flowers to Shawn Jackson,

1599
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 6: Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison's senior and Isaac Bruce.

1600
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: So it's not that I think that's why.

1601
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 6: I think it's more he's a defensive player first, that

1602
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 6: he's sprinkling on offense, and also just now even talking

1603
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 6: about the mental side of it, because that is just

1604
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 6: a lot of workload for any person, and so that's

1605
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 6: why I think it's easier defense sprinkling offense as opposed

1606
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 6: to the other way around. But all right, there's a

1607
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 6: long discussion about Travis Hunter. I still think that dual

1608
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 6: Carter should be the pick for the Browns because I again,

1609
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 6: I always prefer defenders, or I'm sorry, defensivelignment first. Trenches first,

1610
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 6: the first, The most valuable position is the position that

1611
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 6: can get after quarterback first. That is the that's how

1612
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,799
Speaker 6: that's how plays unfold.

1613
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 3: Quarterback gets the ball.

1614
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 6: Who can stop the quarterback first, the guy that can

1615
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 6: sack him. And you guys, the Browns already have Miles Garrett,

1616
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 6: whose All World future Hall of Famer defensive player that

1617
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 6: year in Canada. Every year, why not create the most

1618
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 6: scariest defensive line in the league and then figure out

1619
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 6: our court or figure out you know, I think that

1620
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 6: is something you can bank on weekend week out that

1621
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 6: can impact plays that can be true number changing and

1622
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 6: help whoever. I think defensive play backpoint is so volatile

1623
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 6: that it's harder for Yes, you can make the bet

1624
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 6: with Travis Hunter. I think he is that special, but

1625
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 6: I think a very good of Dual Carter, like who

1626
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 6: might not be a lead E League prospect to me,

1627
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 6: I think more of a very good prospect.

1628
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 3: I think. I don't know. I'm the fan fiction of

1629
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: my brain.

1630
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 6: I just love the pairing of Miles Garrett of Dual Carter,

1631
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 6: maybe because I've seen the glimpses of it with the

1632
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 6: Darius Smith and Oka rock Well, uh and seeing this

1633
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 6: little glimpses of that, and then now you get maybe

1634
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 6: a guy that's a couple of tiers better or maybe

1635
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 6: with the high end of the dear Smith was. I

1636
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 6: think that could create a special defense that you can

1637
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 6: bank on for five years at the very least until

1638
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 6: Miles Garrett starts kind of tapering down.

1639
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: Do you have any concerns about his size in as

1640
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: being like a four to three end.

1641
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 6: I the biggest because this is why I don't determine

1642
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 6: the illegally prospect is I do think him against the run.

1643
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 6: Is he's average at best against the run. I wouldn't

1644
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 6: say it's total indifference. I think it's more he can

1645
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 6: get overwhelmed by stronger, stronger tackles, and I think in

1646
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 6: bigger tackles and you hope they can fill out a

1647
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 6: little bit.

1648
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 3: And also sometimes he goes road.

1649
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 6: He's bendy, he twitches athletic, and he wants to make plays.

1650
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 6: And that's one that can get coached out of him.

1651
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 3: Though some of the best athletes, the.

1652
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 6: Best players, have that issue. Miles Garrett's one of them.

1653
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 6: But guess what, it never really shows uple Miles Garrett

1654
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 6: caause he makes the.

1655
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 3: Play, you know when he does do it.

1656
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 6: So I think if they didn't have Miles Garrett, it

1657
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 6: would be more of an issue if he had to

1658
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 6: be the true ace, you know, like, hey, you're out

1659
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 6: there every snap and you gotta hold up against the

1660
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 6: run and you gotta rush the passer every snap and

1661
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 6: being more of a secondary role. But being an eighth

1662
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 6: in that secondary role, that's why it's not concerning for

1663
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 6: me with the Browns. Maybe with other defenses it would be,

1664
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 6: but they got the size to kind of help that out.

1665
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, Nate, good stuff, here and this is it's

1666
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: good because we've been talking. Look, I've been with this

1667
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,919
Speaker 1: organization for there'll be thirteen years. I want a quarterback

1668
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: so badly. We need a quarterback. It's gonna come down

1669
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: to whether or not they feel like they can get one,

1670
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: whether it's Cam word, if it's if they agree it's

1671
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: a one quarterback draft, or if they like Shador. But

1672
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: we need to be able to score the ball. I mean,

1673
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: this offense is so dreadful it would be It's hard

1674
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: for me, even though I understand probably the sense that

1675
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: you made there, it's hard for me to get my

1676
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: head around using this high of an asset on a

1677
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: defense that's not the problem and an offense that is massively.

1678
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 6: I get it, but it's when, but when you kind

1679
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 6: of try to fill those holes with desperation, that's when

1680
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 6: kind of mistakes happened. And sometimes that's why it's like

1681
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,839
Speaker 6: a I know there's might do better options, but sometimes

1682
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 6: the safe bets are the safe bets for a reason.

1683
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 6: And then he's trying to build off the safe bets.

1684
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: Who's your who's your favorite offensive player in this draft?

1685
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite offensive player in this draft? Is if

1686
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: you consider a Hunter to be more of a defender

1687
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: than an offense player. Andrew Berry at the combine for

1688
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: the Browns said that he sees him as a receiver.

1689
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: But if it weren't Hunter, who's the best offensive player?

1690
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 5: Man?

1691
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 6: I I right now I have pet McMillan actually is

1692
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 6: the highest offense player on my board Arizona from Arizona.

1693
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 3: I'm the high guy on him. I think he has

1694
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: potential to be special. Top.

1695
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Is he like a Mike Evans?

1696
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some give.

1697
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 6: There's some actually some a J. Green to me, and

1698
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 6: maybe a J. Green had maybe a little more long speed.

1699
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 6: But I think it's more comparable than he would think.

1700
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 6: Uh you know, I think Mike Evans is bigger.

1701
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: I think there's kind of that T.

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Speaker 6: Higgins, AJ Green mold but all the same archetype of player.

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01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 6: Uh oh man, I really like mcdowan. I think he

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01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 6: is athleticism. I think people focused on the long speed

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01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 6: as opposed to how fluid he is at being six

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01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 6: four two twenty like the ability to sink in and

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 6: out of route like he's a he canna run rout

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01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 6: the full route tree already and he catches fricking everything.

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Speaker 6: Uh So that's that's also a thing. He's a big

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01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 6: player that plays big, but he's not a stiff and

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Speaker 6: so that's why I'm.

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Speaker 1: All in on it. So I'm very familiar.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I think he's I think he's special. I've been

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01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 6: kind of like looking I feel like I'm the John

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01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 6: Travolta me from pulp fiction where he's kind of looking

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01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 6: around in.

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01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 3: The living room like that.

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01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 6: Hey, I had the same feeling about Drake May last

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01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 6: year at quarterback wise, but like with McMillan, I'm kind

1720
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 6: of looking around and being like, am I like I've

1721
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 6: been looking through I've been looking through articles and everyone's like, oh, yeah,

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01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 6: he's how we recruited, but not a bad guy. I'm like,

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01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 6: what what? What am I missing here? And then other

1724
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 6: than that, offensively, I have the two offensive I consider

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01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 6: Will Campbell and off Tackle from LCU, but he probably

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01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 6: end up will end up as.

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01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 3: A card just knowing how the NFL works.

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01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 6: And then Arma and Mambau from the Zoo, who I

1729
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 6: do think is stay out of the tackle. But those

1730
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 6: would be kind of my top three offense players. But

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01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 6: there's a lot a lot of deeper all right, Draft.

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Speaker 1: Nate, Thank you so much. This was good stuff and

1733
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: certainly a good perspective as well. So appreciate the time.

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01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 3: No, thank you for having me.

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1741
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