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Speaker 2: Dave Severson from Our Lads dot Com. We're joined by

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Speaker 2: Emory Hump from Football Game Plan and CBS Sports Gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: We have a bunch of questions you're gonna go through.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna debate, we're gonna talk, and we'll see where

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Speaker 2: we go. Welcome boys, Uh, Dave start with you. Where

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Speaker 3: Thanks Sean, I'm looking forward to this, guys. Memory What's

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's start that first question here, Guys,

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Speaker 1: I've managed nine questions.

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Speaker 2: We'll run through them all. I hope we have different answers.

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Speaker 2: We'll debate, we'll have conversations about them. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: start where everyone starts with the NFL Draft, and that's

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Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. So Em we're gonna start with

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Speaker 2: you on this one. How many quarterbacks in the top ten,

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Speaker 2: how many in the first round? And who will those

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Speaker 2: players be in both of those sections.

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Speaker 4: That's a multi layered question, but I like it. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna say two, two in the top ten and two

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Speaker 4: But I can see two for sure, but only two

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Speaker 1: Dave, how about you.

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Speaker 5: I'm on the same boat.

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Speaker 3: You know, I did just look back at nine of

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Speaker 3: the last ten NFL drafts. You've had two quarterbacks go

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Speaker 3: The only year we didn't see that was the Kenny

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Speaker 4: But again, you win the Campbell Award playing quarterback at Alabama,

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Speaker 2: you the upsides there. Who is your kind of sleeper

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of hot and cold to him. He

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Speaker 3: he can launch it downfield. He's got success there but

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Speaker 5: He can be your he could be a third down

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Speaker 3: Shuck and yours, who both have significant durability concerns, and

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: He said, David, you don't have to thrust him into

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Speaker 1: You know, Smith into that mix.

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Speaker 1: I know. And Derek Carr. Right, did Derek Carr get

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He was second round. So there's there's some you know,

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Speaker 4: there's some there's some track record there or second round players.

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Speaker 1: Man, there is man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, once you get pass rounds two and three, it

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Speaker 1: But you have like a yeah you have a shot.

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Speaker 1: I did the math.

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Speaker 2: You have like things like a ten percent shot of

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Speaker 2: It's it's not awful, all right. Question number two, we'll

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Speaker 2: stick on offense. We'll go to wide receiver. We'll storry you, Dave,

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Speaker 2: who is your favorite round two wide receiver? The guys

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Speaker 2: too easy. Luther Burdon, Ted McMillan, Matthew Golden and a

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Speaker 2: Mecca Agbuka. The guys that I'm taking out of the equation, though,

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Speaker 1: But I thought that'd be two of an easy answer.

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Speaker 1: So who else do you like?

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you making this as difficult as possible for me.

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Speaker 3: and I probably would have even if you let Luthor

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Speaker 5: I'm probably still gonna pick this one.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I look at these wide receivers and

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Speaker 3: I want to add to my offense, I want matchup problems,

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Speaker 3: with Plan A, Plan B because of his skill set.

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Speaker 3: There's a wide receiver in this class that has probably

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Speaker 3: all receivers included. It's Saveon Williams. From TCU six four

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Speaker 3: two to twenty two. He ran a four to four

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about a fast, explosive athlete.

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Speaker 5: He's got.

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Speaker 3: He had the second biggest wigs Fan third longest arms.

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Speaker 3: He was the heaviest receiver there. He had the biggest answer.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about someone that's very physically imposing and in

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Speaker 3: a league of matchups, you can do whatever you want

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Speaker 3: wear a lot of different hats. He had forty six

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Speaker 3: back or full back, three hundred and forty five snaps

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Speaker 3: out wide, twenty eight snaps and special teams. He had

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Speaker 3: fifty one rushing attempts. He threw the ball three times,

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Speaker 3: all five years he was at TCU. You know, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna look at sixty six hundred eleven yards six tds

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Speaker 3: and you're like, he wasn't that productive. But he caught

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Speaker 3: wide receivers with over sixty five targets. And that, to

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Speaker 3: me is what made Roma Dunes a special And he's

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Speaker 3: not as crisp with his route runnings. There is some

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Speaker 3: that prevented me from putting a sure thing first round

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Speaker 3: grade on him. But there are you don't make guys

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Speaker 3: like this that can do everything. He actually could be

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Speaker 3: people like to use is Cordal Patterson, former wide receiver

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Speaker 3: that really turned into a pretty solid running back and

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Speaker 3: That's his starting point in my opinion, because he's going

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Speaker 3: to be able to do so many different things for

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Speaker 3: And if he does, if he hits just eighty percent

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Speaker 2: I like that, and I think that's the name that

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Speaker 1: If I like that one, Emory, who's your guy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna go with that, but I was like,

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Speaker 4: I've been talking about this dude for you know, January,

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Speaker 4: but you get frustrated watching all those TCU receivers, like, man,

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Speaker 4: how did even win more games? He got all good

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Speaker 4: I would go with elec au Menor of Stanford. I

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Speaker 4: liked him as a big inside receiver, someone that you

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Speaker 4: know can can play that pook in the core role

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Speaker 4: kind of underneath, but it's very good after the catch.

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Speaker 4: I know he's a track guy, but doesn't play fast

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Speaker 4: like that. But he's a strong, physical after the catch receiver.

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Speaker 4: Could be a quarterback's best friend. He was at Stanford.

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Speaker 4: I just like the fact that he could play inside

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Speaker 4: gray every right there. But I do like him coming

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Speaker 2: I think I think he ran under a four or

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Staying in that category, I'm gonna throw two names out.

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Speaker 2: They played it for the same team. If you guys

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Speaker 2: a higher graded player Jalen Knowle or Jaden Higgins from

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Speaker 2: Iowa State. Which one of those guys would you like?

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Speaker 2: Every wy, don't you go first on this one.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I greeted him as two separate you know,

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Speaker 4: flank or Z and one is a split, right, But

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Speaker 4: I would probably. I was impressed with Higgins's quickness, but

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go no. I like the way he plays.

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Speaker 4: He just plays a pro game, you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: reminds me a lot of not a one to one,

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Speaker 4: but someone like an Iman Ross Saint Brown. It's a tough,

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Speaker 4: You know. I keep thinking of the Iowa game, how

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Speaker 1: So I would go no, how about you, Dave.

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Speaker 3: Know It's one of my top five receivers in the class,

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Speaker 3: so I can't take him out of that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I actually have a late first round grade on and

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Speaker 3: I believe he is the kind of receiver that needs

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Speaker 3: you know, she just got to be pinpoint with him.

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Speaker 3: But he is probably one of the best combination of

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Speaker 3: I mean he can just stop and go on a dime.

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Speaker 3: We saw that in mobile. I just couldn't get my

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Speaker 3: he made near the boundaries one hand to catch turning

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Speaker 3: at the combine. I mean, did we see what he

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Speaker 3: twenty three bench press reps. Not a big deal for

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, but I think it's a pretty cool flex

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Speaker 3: six a two to three cone four one seven shuttle

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Speaker 3: I mean that is elite, elite, elite across the board.

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Speaker 3: And yes, he doesn't have the biggest frame, but this

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Speaker 3: Noel didn't have any problems there. I think with the

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Speaker 1: Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 5: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but Citizens? Does it makes sense of

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Speaker 1: your money with Citizens?

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Speaker 4: Official Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, the one hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety four pounds of the comma doesn't jump off the page,

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Speaker 2: but then you look at it five to nine four.

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Speaker 2: He's a very solidly built guy. And he's not a

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Speaker 1: You watch his tape. He's a vertical guy. He gets

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Speaker 2: I was not shocked by that forty yard dashtime that

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Those two guys literally are like next to each other

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Speaker 2: interesting debate It's all about the type of receiver you're

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Speaker 2: looking for, not necessarily which one is better. All right,

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Speaker 1: A team great value?

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Speaker 2: I choose day three because I think these are two

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Speaker 4: It's funny because as I'm great in film, I'm you

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Speaker 4: noticed this, Like right, like Mason Thorp of Texas Tech,

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Speaker 4: why is no one talking about Mason Thorp out of

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Speaker 4: Texas Tech? And the way he plays inside the red

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Speaker 4: zone is phenomenal. He plays six'. Nine if you had

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Speaker 4: A Harold carmichael on today's, game it looked Like Mason

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Speaker 4: and plays with great fluidity for a guy that's six freaking,

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Speaker 4: nine you know What i'm. Saying so he's the ONE

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Speaker 4: i think that someone's gonna find. Useful don't Let Sean

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Speaker 4: payton get him and the running back will be To

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Speaker 4: Quinnin jackson out Of. Arkansas i'm a big fan of his.

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Speaker 4: the backfield good size six to one in the quarter

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Speaker 4: two twenty, five butts up in protection so you can

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Speaker 4: perfect leadoff guy or, Closer so either one of those

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00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 4: two in a run. Game you kind of in safe

438
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 4: hands With Jaquinna jackson out, there AND i like.

439
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,040
Speaker 1: It how about, You?

440
00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,640
Speaker 3: Dave my running back for day three is the guy

441
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,719
Speaker 3: That i've been had The Bucky irving label, on who

442
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 3: was a fourth round pick last. Year he was the

443
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 3: best running, back rookie running back in football last year

444
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,159
Speaker 3: by a pretty wide. Margin AND i Saw Bucky irving

445
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,040
Speaker 3: in this kid WHEN i watched him In, september and IT'S. R.

446
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 3: J harvey From Central. Florida very similar, bill very similar running.

447
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 3: Style actually has more. Speed this is the kid that

448
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 3: out Ran Travis hunter on, tape went out To, indianapolis

449
00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 3: ran a four to.

450
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 5: Four did not surprise. Me BUT i think he has

451
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 5: That Bucky.

452
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 3: Irving dual threat approach where he can truly be your

453
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 3: number three option in a pass, game but he's also

454
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,160
Speaker 3: gonna be a really solid number two in your running.

455
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 3: Game there's just so many different ways he can make.

456
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:13,479
Speaker 5: It work for an.

457
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 3: Offense my tight end is From. Texas Gunnor helm just

458
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,679
Speaker 3: has the pro, game the body for the y. Position

459
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 3: he sat behind Ja Davian sanders for a couple of

460
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 3: years and all sudden, bam twenty twenty four comes. Around

461
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 3: he over triples his career production in this one season.

462
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 3: Alone he let the team and catches in the regular.

463
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 3: SEASON i know all the hype right now is About

464
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 3: Matthew golden and his forty and you Have Isaiah, bond

465
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 3: who's some people like this was the number one pass

466
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 3: catcher on the team during the regular. Season you WERES

467
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 3: nfl pass rating when he targeted him was the highest

468
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 3: of anyone he's ever thrown to At. TEXAS i, mean

469
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 3: think about some of the wider re series that he's

470
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 3: thrown to over the past up, years it Was. Helm

471
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 3: this past season it was the highest pass ready because

472
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 3: he's such a, safe reliable, threat catches the ball in,

473
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 3: traffic he doesn't put the ball on the, turf he

474
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 3: gets his hands on, it and.

475
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 5: He's sneak key effective post.

476
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 3: Catch you, know there's some guys that can win after

477
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 3: the catch with elusiveness and.

478
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 5: Speed and he's not a bad.

479
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 3: ATHLETE i would just say he's a very AVERAGE nfl

480
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 3: athlete at tight, end but he's very. Savvy kind of

481
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 3: reminded me Of Dalton kincaiden that where he felt the

482
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 3: defense post.

483
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 5: Catch before he even got the.

484
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 3: Ball he just knew where to go over and over

485
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 3: against some of the best teams they've played. Against and

486
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 3: he's a guy that you don't have to take off

487
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 3: the field on running. Plays he can hang in the

488
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 3: trenches well. Enough So Gunnar helm is A day three

489
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 3: tight end and a stacked tight end group THAT i

490
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 3: think is going to outperform some guys strapped ahead of.

491
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: Him i'm with. You i'm a big unner heelm guy.

492
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: Too i'll throw at one running back THAT i think

493
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 2: might get pushed to the fourth round just BECAUSE i

494
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: think he's, boring and That's Devin neil out Of.

495
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: Kansas are you watching?

496
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: Me he doesn't test, great but he's two hundred and twenty.

497
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 2: Pounds he can carry eighteen to twenty pounds a. GAME

498
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: i don't know how much tread is left on the.

499
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 2: Tire Becas kansas ran the hell out of him when

500
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: he was A. Jayhawk but he's just got great. Vision

501
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: he's got quick. Feet he's gonna get you five yards

502
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: if there's three yards. There he might not have the

503
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: breakaway he speak the big long, runs BUT i think

504
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: he's a guy that can grind it out for you

505
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: that could get pushed down to the fourth round due

506
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 2: to the depth of this class and the Fact i'm

507
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: not sure if he necessarily has the trait guys that

508
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: is going to MAKE nfl evaluators say.

509
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

510
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 4: Yeah it's interesting because when you like there are some

511
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 4: things with him where you you're shocked that he's two

512
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen, plus because at times he doesn't play

513
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifteen probably plays smaller than that in

514
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 4: the sense that he goes down a little bit too.

515
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 4: EASILY i thought this year he got better in that.

516
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 4: Regard started to run through some of those arm, tackles

517
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 4: and he has the complete. Game catch the ball, well

518
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 4: you know he can run the ball, well shows effort and.

519
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 4: Passport that's how you really get asked for as a running.

520
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 4: Back and so he does have some, things but it

521
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 4: shows you how deep the running back class. Is where

522
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: you're talking about a guy Like DEBIL Rg harvey on you,

523
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 4: know on day, three where it's just, like, man somebody's

524
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 4: gonna get increase of depth and talent in their back

525
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 4: of this season for.

526
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah and throwing a guy Like Bachhelle tooting From

527
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: virginia Tack he's in THE. Rj Hat harvey category to,

528
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: me same type of smaller but compact and, strong explosive runner.

529
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: THAT i think can do a little bit of.

530
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: Everything all, right let's go to question before we, here,

531
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: guys who is your favorite healthy cornerback in this? Draft

532
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: and there's there's not a lot of them not Named Travis,

533
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 2: Hunter Will johnson Or JOHN. A. Baron and you can

534
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: give me one outside and one SLOCK I.

535
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 4: AMORY i love that you put the healthy in there

536
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 4: because they're like the banged.

537
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: Up sorry Shavonn, Ravel Sorry Benjamin. Morris, right you can't go.

538
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: THERE i will say, inside even THOUGH i think nowadays

539
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: these guys are showing it a play outside, Too but

540
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: by just for the sake of the, Conversation i'll go

541
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 4: up to Stout Western. Kentucky loved that he was draped

542
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 4: on every receiver at the at The Senior, bowl played

543
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 4: up to the level of competition and took it personal

544
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: that you, know guys wanted to challenge. Him we saw

545
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 4: that last year With Quanjon, mitchell where you know he's

546
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 4: coming from THE g five and putting it on for

547
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 4: us for that particular subsection of. Programs SO i liked.

548
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 4: Him but Also i'm still a Big Kobe bryant. FAN

549
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 4: i Think KOBE i was shocked that he came in

550
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: at his height and weight because if you told me

551
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: he was six one two, fifteen, like, yeah that checks out.

552
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: Right that's just how he, plays. Right he plays bigger

553
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 4: than his, size plays faster than his. Speed he just

554
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 4: plays how cornerbacks used to. Play just, brash, feisty attacks the,

555
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 4: ball great ball a wearing.

556
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: This shrine ball. Man he was all.

557
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: Awesome so guys like, That i'm always gamble on to

558
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 4: take a chance BECAUSE i think they just played the

559
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: position how you wanted to be, played regardless of measurables and. Timing.

560
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: Day my corner that caught my eye leading up to

561
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: the senior ball is WHEN i really started diving. IN

562
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 3: i usually get a late start on the. Dbs and

563
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: then it Was Darien porter From Iowa. State this is

564
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 3: a guy that is probably going to have the best

565
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: heightweight speed combination of all these. Cornerbacks sixty three one ninety,

566
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: five thirty three inch, arms eighty inch wing span for

567
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: those that don't know averages of. Positions that is like

568
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: off the charts for size of a, corner and he

569
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: crushes The jody.

570
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 5: Drills there are some issues.

571
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: With, tightness as most high hpped corners, are but he's

572
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 3: a guy that is truly you're afraid to throw the ballus,

573
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: direction kind of like A Tarik willem type.

574
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: Inta he's cod.

575
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: Crazy dude.

576
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: Was nuts AND i THINK i went back and watched

577
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: More Iowa. STATE i can't believe how Much Iowa STATE

578
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: i watched this, year by the, way but you, know

579
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: then they have a quarterback next year we're gonna be talking,

580
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: ABOUT i think too Rock. Obec but this is he

581
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: allowed one catch every other game basically this past. SEASON

582
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: i mean he was lights. Out he had a four

583
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 3: point seven passer rating when. TARGETED i mean that's an

584
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 3: unheard of. Number and he's a guy THAT i think

585
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: is just scratching the surface of understanding how to leverage

586
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: his strengths and hide some of his. Weaknesses and you

587
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: could just see the development over the. Year you could

588
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: see the development over the predraft, process and then he

589
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: put Together and this is one POSITION.

590
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: I do care.

591
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 5: About measurables a lot at.

592
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 3: Corner it's never an end all for any, spot BUT

593
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: i do care about the speed and The jody numbers

594
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: of a.

595
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: Corner especially when you're at this.

596
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: SIZE i, mean someone's gonna get once these defensive backs

597
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 3: coaches get involved in the scouting process in the coming,

598
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: weeks somebody's.

599
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: Going to be drooling over this. KID i think he's

600
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: going to go a lot higher than what people.

601
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: Think how about inside. CORNER i like the.

602
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: Kid Of Bar mohammed From, oregon just a really highly experienced.

603
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: Player he played almost twenty five hundred snaps in. College

604
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: he broke up twenty two passes over the past couple of,

605
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: years played on a lot of good football. Teams he's

606
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: definitely a nickel, only but he's. Tough he's kind of

607
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 3: like hard, nosed and you, know that's the one thing

608
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: When i'm scouting nickels, now teams are exploiting how much

609
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: and defenses are putting that EXTRA dB on the, Field

610
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: like you got to be at least somewhat of a

611
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: factor as a run. Defender he's never going to be a,

612
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: big stout.

613
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: Guy he's.

614
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: Small he's really small frame five to, NINE i think

615
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: one to eighty. Five but he's tough and he tackles

616
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: and he'll mix it, up and he showed a lot

617
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: of ball.

618
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 5: Skills so that's a guy THAT i. Think he's more.

619
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: Of a probably an early day three, tight BUT i

620
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: think he can end up being one of the better

621
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: nickels that come out of this.

622
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: Group i'm gonna throw two names at, you. GUYS i

623
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: want to get your take on. Him Jacob parrish is

624
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: a guy who did really good at The. Combine he

625
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: did AND i think he's a fun guy to watch on.

626
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: Tape and, then what are your guys' thoughts On Trey.

627
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: AMOS i found a lot of fans if his WHEN

628
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: i was In indianapolis ASKING i have not done my

629
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: tape study on him.

630
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Yet em give me your take on those two.

631
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 4: GUYS i Love, parish by the, way But i'm smiling

632
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: At amos because yet Another louisiana raging cajun got out

633
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: of our grasps like he started with. Us. Again if

634
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: we look at the amount of guys that we had

635
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: in our program that has left and going on to

636
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: be high draft, picks it's. Insane you know What i'm.

637
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: Saying we're legitimately a powerfut program just tucked away in

638
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: A g five. Conference So i'm off my, soapbox but

639
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 4: that's that's HOW i feel About. Amos amos was outstanding

640
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: early in the, season early his, career AND i knew

641
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: he was gonna be one of those guys to. LEAVE i,

642
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: MEAN i gotta start tossing my weight around down there

643
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 4: and throw some IN il money a caja. PROGRAM i

644
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: ain't got, much BUT i gotta start doing something. Big But,

645
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 4: amos it was good to see him again continue to.

646
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 4: Progress bama Then Old, miss and So i'm glad that

647
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: he's having a success he's.

648
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Had how about.

649
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amos he's kind of like. That this what everyone

650
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: wants at. Corner he's, big he's, physical he's, Fast he's

651
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: got all those. Things BUT i do question someone like

652
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: the trigger LIKE i do think he's a little late

653
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: on recognition and getting to where he needs to once

654
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: the ball's in the air and ball location got better

655
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: At mississippi than it was In. Alabama Kind of an

656
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: older prospects as, Well so there is like how early

657
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: on the progression curve is he? Is he pretty? Late

658
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: how much can you truly develop? Him why did he

659
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: transfer From Alabama? Mississippi Maybe emory's got some information on,

660
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: that BUT i do know. THIS i have talked to

661
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: a few people in the league and they said the

662
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: opinions on him are all over the. Place so there

663
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: is some ugly tape on, him but the tools are

664
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: enough to make An alabama and A mississippi and AN

665
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: nfl team kind of dream of.

666
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: What he could. Be so it's kind of one of

667
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: those guys at this.

668
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: Point from WHAT i, see he hasn't put it together

669
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: yet and you're just going to continue to wish and

670
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: hope that he. Does AND i think that's where teams

671
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: are going to have to.

672
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: Weigh what round do.

673
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: You take a guy like that at a position that

674
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: is it's really hard to develop at the next.

675
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 5: Level it's really hard to find. Corners it just.

676
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Is so, Yeah i'm, Sorry, David i'm.

677
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 5: Sorry now you're Not you're. Good what we're gonna say, Now.

678
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna Say porter is the same. Way, Right he's

679
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: an older, guy but he's only played one year. Corner

680
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: but you wonder what the developmental kind of path is

681
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: for him, too.

682
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah and the difference between the two is just

683
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: that the tools are just like next. Level With, porter we're,

684
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: amos they're, good but you, know he didn't jump out

685
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: of the. Billing thirty two and a half vertical is

686
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: actually pretty low for. Quarterback AND i actually the NOTES

687
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: i have on him IS i questioned the, acceleration the

688
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: ability to get out and once he. Recognizes So i'm

689
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: a little lower on amost than, most BUT i do

690
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: know that there's going to be someone that does like

691
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: him enough to draft them.

692
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: High all, right let's stick in the defensive, backfield, Guys

693
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: so after the top, three AND i think these the

694
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: consensus top three. Safeties and you can correct me if

695
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: you guys Think i'm wrong about. This malki Starks Nicki,

696
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: minware who's probably number one now At Xavier Watson Notre

697
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: dame get.

698
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Drafted what safety is next for? You and when will

699
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: that safety be? Drafted? Day why don't we start with

700
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: you on this?

701
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: One this was a tough, One, JOHN i actually spent

702
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: an embarrassing amount of time on. THIS i was, LIKE

703
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: i have my next tier of safety is like you,

704
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: said those are the top three with. ME i don't

705
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: know about. CONSENSUS i really don't know what consensus is at.

706
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: Safety but for, me those are my top three and

707
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: it's a pretty wide gap BEFORE i get to the next.

708
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: Tier but then that next, tier it's a lot of

709
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: guys that are grouped, together you, know like Mccooba ransom

710
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: From Ohio state.

711
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: And then the kid THAT i have right now In

712
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: winston From Penn.

713
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: State that's that's a kid that is he missed most

714
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: of the year with an, injury AND i do think

715
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: he's got the highest. Upside he's a huge. BODY i

716
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: like WHAT i saw on his tape last. Year But

717
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: i'm gonna go with my gut And i've liked this.

718
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: Keid even THOUGH i liked this kid for a long.

719
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: Time even though everyone's trying to talk me out of.

720
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: It It's Billy bowman From.

721
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: Oklahoma Love Bowman love.

722
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: Just a fun kid to. WATCH i know he's, small

723
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: and that small shows up in two. Areas he in contested,

724
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: situations he doesn't get his hand on top of. Balls

725
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: he's just small than, everyone and he's got a ton of.

726
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: Mistackles he basically missed one out of every four tackle

727
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: attempts that he made in. COLLEGE i, mean it's a

728
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: twenty five percent. Rate it's enormous and that is a.

729
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: Problem and a defensive back coach THAT i got to

730
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: speak with at The Senior bowl said, like they will

731
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: not draft someone that can't tackle like. That AND i

732
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: know some teams don't really, care but you know some

733
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: teams won't even look at someone this. Size but HE i,

734
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: mean at the end of the, day his play speed

735
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: and his ability to play, nickel and just the energy

736
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: that he.

737
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: Brings to a. Defense eleven career.

738
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: Interceptions we Heard Joe shane say this last year that

739
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: that's a metric that usually carries over to the next

740
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: level are safety, interceptions safety ball. Production And i'm willing

741
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: to overlook some of WHAT i want out of the

742
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: safety size, wise because of how this kid, plays he

743
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: will change she will help change the culture of a.

744
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: Defense he just got to try to put him in situations.

745
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: Where he's not always the last on defense as a,

746
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: tackler and you don't want him matching up Against Travis

747
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: kelsey in the.

748
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Slot, OKAY i don't remember the name of the, player

749
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: AND i think what twenty eight and a half in,

750
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: charms twenty nine and a half in, Charms, yeah for,

751
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: bowling AND i think that probably something to do with

752
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: the with the tackling, issues, Right. Yep there was a

753
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: short safety two or three years. Ago he had really good.

754
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: Tape he did not get. Drafted he ended up starting

755
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: for The ravens in the second half of this. Year

756
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: AND i will check the name on. That emory give

757
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: me your safety that you like coming on, next AND

758
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: i will try to find that name.

759
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: That the guy you talked about was my number one

760
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: safety that year. Too he was out OF, TCU i

761
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: know exactly you talk. About and he popped the heck

762
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 4: out Of Russell wilson on the. Yah he did it

763
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: fulls that, FUMBLE i will. SAY i will say. MCCOOBA

764
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: i just like the fact THAT i like how he

765
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: moves around defense and he's. GOOD i will probably classify

766
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: as a combos, safety so you can trust him a

767
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: little bit and coveras you could trust him triggering top,

768
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: down going to the you know down and making a.

769
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: Play AND i think he just has good football spatial,

770
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: awareness like he's always where he's supposed to. Be, uh

771
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: won't get you beat sure tackler and does a good job.

772
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: There SO i would go with McCool i'm a big

773
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: fan of, his.

774
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Or Darius washington there you, go because he was like.

775
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: FIVE e sev, six but he had insane ball skills

776
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: coming out OF tcu And i'm glad he got on

777
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: the field and uh ended up being a starter, Too

778
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: so he went from undrafted being a, Starter so that

779
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: was pretty.

780
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: Cool, shockingly The ravens find good football players that other teams,

781
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: overlook like we haven't seen that play.

782
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Before.

783
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: Unbelievable all, right let's go to the next one, here

784
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: uh and we can. Start why do we start with

785
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: you this? Time dave who is the non first round

786
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: offensive lineman no one is talking about. Enough you can

787
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: have one, guard one, center one. Tackle you can split

788
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: this whoever you. Want, Guys so the GUYS i want

789
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: you not to use BECAUSE i think again a little

790
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: too easy Is Will, campbell Arm, Membo Josh, Connery simmons

791
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: from A house, State Kelvin, Banks Grey's abel And booker From.

792
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: Alabama so who's your next guy's up at offensive?

793
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Line? There dave that you.

794
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: Think are habitually underrated out, there that that you're a

795
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: big fan.

796
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: Of So i'll if if this answer is not good,

797
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: Enough i'll give you another. ONE i have a PLAN

798
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: b here BECAUSE i feel Like i'm cheating WHEN i say,

799
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: this BECAUSE i personally have a first round grade On

800
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: Donovan jackson From Ohio. STATE i do think that this

801
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: is a kid that is a first round caliber. Player

802
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: and what he did down the stretch.

803
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: At left left, tackle, YEAH.

804
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I, MEAN i don't Think Ohio state wins the national

805
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: championship Without Donovan jackson and what he. Did AND i

806
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: remember when they put him out, THERE i.

807
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: Said, man they don't have anything better than. That they're.

808
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: SCREWED i, mean this is going to be a huge.

809
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: Issue And i'm a Huge Josh simmons guy at left,

810
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: Tackle he's going to be right up there with the

811
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: top tackles in this draft And Jonavan jackson played at that.

812
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: Level you could tell it was not it was not

813
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: his natural, position but his foot, speed.

814
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: His know HOW i mean.

815
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: This this is a guy that was on their first

816
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: round radar a couple of years, ago and he actually

817
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: didn't have a great twenty twenty three, season and that's

818
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: why he went back for twenty twenty. Four and, man

819
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: he made himself a lot of money this past. Season

820
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: and he's a guy THAT i draft and MAYBE i

821
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: have A Tyler smith type plan WHERE i will put

822
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: him at guard early, on and if we need, TO

823
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: i will put him.

824
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 5: At left tackle or right. Tackle and that to.

825
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: Me is gold if you have this is what The

826
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: giants thought they were getting Josh. Azidou they thought they

827
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: were getting a starting caliber guard that.

828
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: Could play tackle in a.

829
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: Pinch it hasn't worked, Out and to, Me Donovan jackson

830
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: brings that kind of value to the. Table but he's

831
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: a much better athlete and his tape was a lot.

832
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: Cleaner he's a much better, bender he's better Redirect he

833
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: feels the stunts and the twists and the complex blitz

834
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: schemes that defenses run at.

835
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: Them just as natural as.

836
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: Anyone so that's my name THAT i think should be

837
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: a first round, pick BUT i doubt he will. Be

838
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: and If i'm The, giants that's one of the top

839
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: Names i'm looking at at the top of round.

840
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 5: Two if we still need an offensive, LINEMAN.

841
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I will come back to. You if your playing B

842
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: emory who he.

843
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: Got that's a good pick because at the end of the,

844
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: day we know how many o'lami you are able to

845
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: carry on game, day our teams typically. Carrying you get

846
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: somebody that could do both at a high, level that's pretty.

847
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: Good i'm my, center and maybe he's talked about a,

848
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: lot BUT i just feel like as a novelty people

849
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 4: are talking about, here But Willie lampkin mean so, yeah

850
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: out of the Unc it's, like, man you watch This,

851
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: tafe you just waiting for the, reason this is why

852
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: he can't be successful because he's, Short but then you

853
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: watch him just constantly, Dominate, like, MAN i CAN'T i

854
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: can't get him out of my you, know my. Crawl

855
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: in terms of like him being a good, player Until

856
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: i've seen, you Until i've seen it become an, issue

857
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: it is not an. Issue and he has been five

858
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: ten minutes whole, life and he has been able to

859
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: play at a high level at that. Height so UNTIL

860
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: i see, OTHERWISE i know it would be an, exception

861
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: not the. Rule that's someone THAT i would be willing

862
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: to take a chance on as a center because. Guard

863
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: how ABOUT Aj gilly of The university Of. LOUISIANA i

864
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: feel like he has just gotten forgotten the bobble surprised

865
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: he wasn't in The Hula bowl or something like. That

866
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: he was someone that scouts talked calliop coming out of you,

867
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 4: know obviously the program where we have Produced Robert, Hunt Max,

868
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: Mitchell Kevin dotson before he Transferred Osirius. Torrence so we

869
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: have a track record of cultivating developing offensive lineman AND. A.

870
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: J gilli is one of those guys that fits that,

871
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: mold AND i think he would be someone that no

872
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: one's talking about that will end up in on a,

873
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: roster whether it's seventh round or priority free. Agent But

874
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: gilly's gonna be a fantastic, guard.

875
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: All, Right, dave what was your?

876
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: Plan Bay Jonas savania From arizona just a right, tackle left,

877
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 3: tackle right. Guard And i'll tell you, WHAT i don't

878
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: like him at. TACKLE i don't want to even see.

879
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: HIM i don't even want to.

880
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 5: Try him out there unless you're an emergency.

881
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 3: Situation but similar to the guys we just talked, about

882
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: he does give you some position, flex which to me

883
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: is almost near vital for a backup lineman to be

884
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: able to play multiple. Spots so he could be your emergency,

885
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: tackle you, know your number four guy if injuries really

886
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: do pop.

887
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: Up but he's a guy that.

888
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: At tackle he looks very kind of, unexplosive a little

889
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: lagging a little. Late but then you put him in,

890
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: guard and we saw this at The Senior bowl one

891
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: on one's he doesn't lose a. REP i, mean he

892
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: is a. Boulder his wingspan differential is great six inches.

893
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: THERE i mean he's he's got a good enough length

894
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: to keep guys away from getting.

895
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 5: Inside but he's so stout below the, WAIST i mean he.

896
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: Is when he really does get his feet where they

897
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: need to be with good hand, position he can't be.

898
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: Moved and this is a guy you could see in

899
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: THE nfl With philadelphia To Kansas city and a lot

900
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: of teams already kind of ahead of the curve on.

901
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: This the interior pass rush in in this league is

902
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: getting better and better every single. Year you need guys

903
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: that can help shrink the, pocket that it can prevent

904
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: the defense from shrinking the. Pocket AND i love drafting

905
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: him anywhere day two and inserting him as a year

906
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: one starter at.

907
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: Guard like it all, right let's go to the defensive

908
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: side of the ball up front with the strength of

909
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: dis draft.

910
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: CLASS i think really lays AND i think this would

911
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: be a good.

912
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: Conversation AND i ask, AGAIN i go to round three, Here,

913
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: emery BECAUSE i think you're gonna have a bunch of

914
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: guys going at the top of round, two bottom of round.

915
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: One THAT i think is gonna be a good debate

916
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: is as to how high they should. Go BUT i

917
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: thought round three is an interesting thing BECAUSE i think

918
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: then you're getting really.

919
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Into the meat of the depth of this.

920
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: Class so who's your favorite round three defensive tackle in

921
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: this year's?

922
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 4: Class, MAN i don't know if he'll go round, three

923
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: BUT i. Can't i've covered this entire career BECAUSE i

924
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 4: called a lot of those games On. Saturday But Elijah

925
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: williams Of Morgan. STATE i watched this kid break the

926
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: sack record At Morgan state career sack record as a defensive.

927
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: Tackle but here's the. Thing this guy could play from

928
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: the nine to the. Nose he's six two two ninety,

929
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: four tremendous ball get off hand, usage everything that you

930
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: want to see from a defensive line that he can.

931
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: Do and then he goes down to THE Hpcu Legacy

932
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 4: bowl and just legitimately. DOMINATES i want to, say the

933
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 4: first rep in every one on one, period the offensive

934
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: lineman ended up on his back and it was it

935
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: just became. Comical so like this dude's about to blow

936
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 4: the dude, up and next thing you, know he's. Playing

937
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: he moved the guy from tackle to, tailback you know

938
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: What i'm. Saying so you have those type of that

939
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: type of. Ability scouts are very familiar with. Him they

940
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 4: kept coming out of The baltimore press box At Morgan,

941
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: state and the fact that he came in at six

942
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: two ninety four was good for him because the whole

943
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: Time i'm, thinking like he's probably like six one two.

944
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: Seventy you, know it's gonna have to try to transit

945
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: to a rushing in naw sixty. Four great, quickness great

946
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: bursts off the, ball has a plan of attack when he,

947
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: rushes and he was dominant At, morgan saying you go

948
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: back and watch their games against, uh you, KNOW fbs.

949
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: Competition he popped up consistently and made. Play So Elijah

950
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: williams to SOMEONE i just wanted to bring, up because

951
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: that's that's the guy, that uh THAT i think a

952
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: lot of people are sleeping.

953
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 2: On if you want to know how to manage two

954
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: minutes of crunch time football on your.

955
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: Match but if you're wondering about a long term financial,

956
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: plan you should talk To.

957
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: Citizens, HEY i can also talk long.

958
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: Care i'd like to learn about amiliar. Routine, YES i

959
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: KNEW i.

960
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Could help makes sense of your money With. Citizens.

961
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: Hey, look and that's WHY i want to bring you

962
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: guys on because you guys dig deep and that's the.

963
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: Name we have not talked about a ten. Yos i'm

964
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: happy that you brought him. Up how about, You?

965
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 5: Dave, yeah round.

966
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: Three i'm looking At Ridley mills From Notre dame sixty

967
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: five to ninety.

968
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 5: One he's been up and down and wait multiple.

969
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: Times Notre dame asked him to put fifteen pounds, on

970
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: then they asked him to take ten pounds. Off they're

971
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: changing up his alignment and part of the reason why

972
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: he can play anywhere on the defensive. Line you, Know

973
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: i'm just looking at at the numbers THAT i have

974
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: on him of where he lined. UP i, mean he

975
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: is one ninety five off the, edge he's two ninety six,

976
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: overtackle thirteen seventy two as a three, tech and that

977
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: is primarily you're going to ply probably playing BETWEEN b

978
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: AND c. Gap and he is an excellent run, defender

979
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: but he's been over ten percent pressure rate three straight.

980
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: Years and his athletic.

981
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: Tools we didn't get to see it in comp at

982
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: The indianapolis because he's still recovering from a late season.

983
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: Injury he hopes to see him at his pro. Day

984
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: but he truly is one of the best athletes in the,

985
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: class and he's got really heavy, hands and he knows

986
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: how to play the. GAME i, mean When i'm doing

987
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: his scanty, REPORT i have his scoring sheet right in

988
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 3: front of me right. Here it's just check mark after check.

989
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: Mark and to the point where in this stacked defensive tackle,

990
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: class some of these guys are inevitably going to fall

991
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: To round, three round, four maybe even round.

992
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: Five that are credible third round. Picks AND i don't.

993
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: See anyone ever talk About Rodley mills in a normal.

994
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: YEAR i think this is like a lock for A

995
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: day two pick because of the athletic upside that he

996
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: has and that just simply raises his. Ceiling but to,

997
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: me one of the NOTES i have in my game

998
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: notes is that he's an incredibly, safe high floor. Player

999
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: so you're talking about someone that has the high ceiling

1000
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: views of the athletic gifts and the ability to drop

1001
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: and add weight play different, positions but he knows how

1002
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: to play the position, already run, defense pass, rusher. Everything to,

1003
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: me he's just a. State that's WHAT i want to

1004
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: have a third round. PICK i want a starter, that,

1005
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: yes maybe if he hits his, upside he could be a.

1006
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: Stud and that's where a lot of teams miss out

1007
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: rounds two and. Three you got to build the nucleus

1008
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: from those two, rounds all.

1009
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: RIGHT i didn't have this on the.

1010
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: Cheap And i'll ask you, guys, anyway After Mason graham

1011
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: goes off the, board who's the second defensive TACKLE i

1012
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: think gets Picked emory.

1013
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: THAT i don't, know uh that you stump me on

1014
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: now WHEN i have no clue BECAUSE i haven't even

1015
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: gotten the defensive tackles. Yet BUT i will say this,

1016
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: though if you're looking at guys that can it depends

1017
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: on what you call a defensive, tackle, right BECAUSE i

1018
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: could look at someone Like Tyler bady of, uh you

1019
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 4: Know byu could be your five tech you, know kind

1020
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: of splitting. Hairs BUT i think he could play. Anywhere

1021
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: but defensive tackle you probably, Say Walson, Nolan you'll probably,

1022
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: say depends on what the kind of defense you. Want

1023
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 4: the Kid Deon walker Of kentucky is hard to. Find

1024
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: big dudes like that.

1025
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: In the same category As walker As Kenneth grant From Notre, dame,

1026
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: right same type of.

1027
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Thing just monster guys that can move.

1028
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: Right and so you get those those pocket collapsers and

1029
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: which has now COME i remember noting. THIS i want to, say,

1030
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: uh maybe two classes a ghost like, man this is

1031
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: a pretty deep nose tackle. Class you don't see those

1032
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: tackles like that as, often and when you, do they

1033
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: tend to stand. Out and SO i do feel like

1034
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: you get a couple of those guys this. Year BUT

1035
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 4: i would, say you, know the kid From kentucky is

1036
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: probably one of my, favorites how.

1037
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: About, You.

1038
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: Dave, yeah if there's gonna, be it's gonna be to.

1039
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: Me After Mason. Graham it's gonna be a two man,

1040
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: RACE i think Between Walter nolan And Kenneth, grant And

1041
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: i'm kind of taking the easy way out, here but

1042
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: they're two completely different. PLAYERS i, mean if you want

1043
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: more pass rush, capability you're gonna go with the smaller, Guy,

1044
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: nolan who is a very underrated run. Defender by the,

1045
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: WAY i know he is gonna make his money rushing the,

1046
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: passer but he has Some Byron murphy in him and

1047
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: be able to kind of screw himself into the ground

1048
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: he gets underneath the.

1049
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 5: Passers he's got great.

1050
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Effort But Kenneth, grant to, me is similar to a

1051
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: recent evaluation THAT i had On Dexter.

1052
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 5: Lawrence it was a guy that is just.

1053
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: Massive he doesn't really know how to rush the passer,

1054
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: yet but he's just so big and.

1055
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 5: So physical that he can rely on.

1056
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: That but if he does take The Dexter lawrence type

1057
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: assent with his ability to use his hands and use

1058
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: play under the pads of, others he has that kind

1059
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: of Upside and that's the name THAT i. Mean it's

1060
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: so funny to me THAT i kept on coming back

1061
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: To Kenneth. Grant Mason graham Of Christian, Wilkins Dexter. Lawrence you,

1062
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: know Like Christian wilkins Is Mason. Graham he's gonna go

1063
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: higher Than Kenneth, Grant But Kenneth grant's.

1064
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 5: Ceiling is much.

1065
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Higher and if he can kind of just figure out

1066
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: some of that lower body technique in hand, usage gets

1067
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Consistent his early year, tape especially Against,

1068
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: oregon was big. Time it just didn't really kind of

1069
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: filter to the end of the. Year so that's the

1070
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: kind of guy that if you want size and, upside

1071
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna Go Kenneth. Grant if you want, HEY i

1072
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: want year one pass, rusher it's gonna Be Walter.

1073
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Nolan, NO i like, it all, right two questions to go, here, Guys,

1074
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: emery we'll go to you on the last. One So,

1075
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: dave we'll start with you on. This what edge player

1076
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: will get picked outside of the first round that will

1077
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: outperform his draft?

1078
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 5: Swats SO i have a.

1079
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: Guy it's a kid That i've. WATCHED i actually wrote

1080
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: him up last year thinking he would come. Out he

1081
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: is gonna be a little bit of an older, PROSPECT i, Think.

1082
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Yes The louisville defensive lineman very, close very, Close but

1083
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: he almost went To louisville instead Of.

1084
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: Miami it Is Tyler barron From. Miami he started off At.

1085
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: Tennessee actually didn't he Start he might have started off At,

1086
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: louisville that's. What but six, five two fifty. Eight his

1087
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: speed has burst his. Bend it's all there and you

1088
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: see it right away on, tape AND i saw it

1089
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: last year and that's WHY i. THOUGHT i actually thought

1090
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 3: he might be a first round of last. Year didn't

1091
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: really kind of pan. Out but he's very. Productive he

1092
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: had forty eight pressures on just two hundred and fifty

1093
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: one PASS russ snaps like that rate is incredibly.

1094
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: High you're talking.

1095
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: About per rush analytics that are right there With James,

1096
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: pierce Umaniell umanni And miellen From. Mississippi he's Above Mike

1097
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: green against better. Competition he defends the. RUN i was

1098
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: really surprised to not see a little bit more attention

1099
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: his way throughout the end of the year because he.

1100
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Produced he played at a really high level and the

1101
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: sec levels up to the levels SORRY i should say

1102
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: levels down a little bit To miami and tore it.

1103
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: Up it just there wasn't a lot of attention on

1104
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: That miami defens this past. Year but he is a

1105
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: year one contributor at THE nfl.

1106
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: And, understandably by the, way so how many times Cam

1107
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: wore had to come back in a lot of those

1108
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: games and put up SO i get it every how

1109
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: about you.

1110
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 4: WOULD i would Say Steve linton From. Baylor what's unique

1111
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 4: about him is the fact that like when you guys

1112
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 4: are WATCHING i, say, Guys i'm talking about you out.

1113
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: There as the fans are watching a game on, television

1114
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: you're seeing it a little bit on tape, delay, right

1115
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: it's like four seconds in case something crazy. Happens but

1116
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: when you're watching the truck, feed you're seeing it real.

1117
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 4: Time and so a guy Like linton is seeing the

1118
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: play in getting their real. Time it's like he's in

1119
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: the game real, time and it's just a fluid. Movement

1120
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: it's just finding see the, ball, go get the, ball

1121
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 4: all of those type. Things it's just remarkable to see

1122
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: because you rarely see that level of instincts coming from

1123
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: a lot of linebackers at a lot of guys gotta you, know,

1124
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: uh they process me before they. Go but he is

1125
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 4: processing it along the, way and he has good length

1126
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: he plays, fast uh finds a way to be, disruptive,

1127
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: fluid to drop back in his own. Cover so someone like.

1128
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 4: That he plays longer than what he. IS i know

1129
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: he came into what six,' three but he plays like he's. Six',

1130
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: five he, has you know some he's kind of has

1131
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: a weird bill to where he's longer. THAN he looks i.

1132
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: LIKE his fluidity i just. LOVE his fleticism i like.

1133
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: THAT he's disruptive i like that he sees it, as

1134
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: is processing as he's consistently going. TOWARD the football i.

1135
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: Like, it all right, final question here, Guys and memory we'll.

1136
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: Start with you What would the titans do with the?

1137
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: Top, overall pick man they.

1138
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 4: Can't play wrong go take the quarterback like we we

1139
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 4: All watched the titans play, Football Last, year like broy y'all, need,

1140
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: A quarterback man i don't care which. One you take like,

1141
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 4: AT this point i don't care which. One you take

1142
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: just take one because you need one and both. Are

1143
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: pretty good both can fit your offense and do it

1144
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: necessarily to help. You HAVE success because i PERSONALLY just

1145
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: like i Feel, like the giants they're not as bad as.

1146
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: THEIR record, indicates i said this last Year about the

1147
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 4: commanders when, they day three when he took, on day

1148
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: three but they Had Obviously. TAKEN jaydon daiels i took

1149
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: them as my team to go to the playoffs based off,

1150
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: that ONE pick Because i knew watchington wasn't as bad

1151
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: as that record as the number. Two Pick indicated the

1152
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: giants are in a lot Of. Games the titans you

1153
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 4: could just you could pinpoint six Bone head. Plays levis

1154
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: made that's three. Wins right there and now we're having

1155
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: a whole different Conversation about the titans probably getting. That

1156
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: seventh seed right so they're not as bad as. The

1157
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 4: record indicates they have to. Take the quarterback they can't

1158
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 4: try to game the draft and play, around, and say,

1159
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: well you know try to jump. Back, and around nope

1160
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: take one of those two. Dudes up there write both names.

1161
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: On the card if you can see you can get.

1162
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 4: Away with it but do what you can to get

1163
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: both of those one. Of, those guys dave what?

1164
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: Do, YOU think, yeah i mean it's, it sounds, simple

1165
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: you know. Get the quarterback and maybe maybe, We overanalyze

1166
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: it maybe there's too much time for us to. Think

1167
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: about this THE only counterpoint i would say to taking

1168
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: a quarterback is are you confident you won't be in

1169
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: a position next year to? Take a quarterback and can

1170
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: you get a kings ransom? For trading down because if

1171
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: you have a couple of teams that want to compete

1172
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: to trade up, to Number one the, giants being won

1173
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: where you're not gonna fall down that far and you're

1174
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: gonna guarantee you can Still Get a travis Hunter Or

1175
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: an abdual carter at, number three overall but also taking

1176
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: all that capital for, next YEAR'S draft which i know

1177
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: this is the one of the evil lines to say the,

1178
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: time OF year but i do think the quarterback group

1179
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: next year is going to be a little bit more

1180
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: impressive than what we're looking. At this Year and If

1181
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: i'm the titans and a Team like the giants who

1182
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: have a brutal schedule ahead of, them coming, up you

1183
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: know do you not want to have your Pick and

1184
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 3: the giants pick going into that draft and more, by

1185
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: the way and also a, possible generational talent which they

1186
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: have used those words in terms of trying to get

1187
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: a generational talent with. Their First Pick and travis hunter

1188
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: to me is the only player. IN this class i

1189
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: can say he's generational because of what he does, on

1190
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: the field playing credibly two positions at. A high LEVEL

1191
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: that's where i do think there is a conversation to

1192
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: be had that maybe we don't even, pick at one

1193
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: we don't get the quarterback we build, for the future

1194
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 3: assuming that we're going to be a good spot next

1195
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: year to, go and build get that big time quarterback.

1196
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: That we like and that's where advance, scouting comes in

1197
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: because those guys they know in the room we like

1198
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: next year's crop a little bit better than what's out of.

1199
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 5: Here right, now, All, right.

1200
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: Well, Dave all right i'm gonna throw a. Counter at

1201
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: you as the representative Here of. The giants organization i'm not.

1202
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: SPEAKING for them i don't know, what they're thinking but

1203
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: The red line i've drawn in our programming HERE is

1204
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: that i will not part with my next year's number

1205
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: one for the very. REASON you described i don't want

1206
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: To Be the carolina panthers after they Trade Up, for,

1207
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: bryce young right and You hand the bears the top

1208
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: overall pick. The following year If, you're the titans then

1209
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: you're not getting a one. The following year would you

1210
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: still consider moving out of one or then would you just?

1211
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: Take the quarterback so the QUESTION is could i get

1212
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: a one to two and maybe a Player At keve.

1213
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: ON thibodeau, type I mean if i'm the.

1214
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: TITLE of this i will give.

1215
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: You the offer i'm gonna give, you two twos, one

1216
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: this year, one next year so you'll get the thirty

1217
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: fourth pick and then You'll get the giants second round.

1218
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: PICK next year, i say No if If, I'M the

1219
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 3: titans i need it first next year to move Away.

1220
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: From cam ward and THAT that's WHY i because I.

1221
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: AGREE with, emery i mean you can't keep kicking the can,

1222
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 3: down the road especially if there's a quarterback staring.

1223
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 5: In the face and that's why this pick.

1224
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: US out valuable I know some giants, fans, talk about

1225
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: oh we can't give up all that to.

1226
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 5: Go up to. The number one it's.

1227
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: Only two, spots like no getting the number one pick

1228
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: in the draft is unbelievably more valuable than, even number

1229
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: two just because you literally get to pick whatever you

1230
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: want and you may never get. That opportunity again and

1231
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: there's you don't you can go through this entire prejaft

1232
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: process without anythinking other THAN what do i?

1233
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 5: Want to do.

1234
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: There's nothing else no one can no one can, leap

1235
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: frog you no one can take a surprise player in,

1236
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: front of you so.

1237
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 5: That that pick needs to be.

1238
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: TREATED as such i am only TRADING down unless i.

1239
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: GET a few i am not TRADING down unless i get.

1240
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: A future one.

1241
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're on, board With, that memory kiser you

1242
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 2: just wanted to stick, and pick anyway.

1243
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 4: Right because the, end, THE day man, i said this

1244
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: even what last Year, For the, bears i'm, Like You

1245
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: know justin fields is not terrible and Everybody Wants killer

1246
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: Williams Drake. MADE jaydon dames i can get. At Least

1247
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: Half if new york wanted to come, UP to one

1248
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: i could have got at least three of the, five boroughs,

1249
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: easily you know for that, double one Pick right that allen,

1250
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: for Sure easily stant Donand you, what i'm saying it's

1251
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 4: that delibered even Though. It's IN jersey BUT i would.

1252
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: I would have SO it's like i can understand the

1253
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 4: value of the, of the assets especially when you look

1254
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 4: at what they done to build That. Team, in chicago

1255
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 4: man they could have really quarterback. Proof that Roster and

1256
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 4: if tennessee feels like they can get. From a team

1257
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: if you're, not talking one we're not talking At all,

1258
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: What I'M saying like i instantly just hang up the

1259
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: phone where you said we're gonna, start at too like

1260
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 4: now we're not now this this has to be something

1261
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: you know or you know then you, give us neighbors.

1262
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: You know something there has to be something enticing for

1263
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 4: me to stay on. The phone CALL now do? I?

1264
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: Get?

1265
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: It all?

1266
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,000
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