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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 2: name is Nolan.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist. Now we're going to look at three
Speaker 3: Mile Island. We're going to talk about gardening and adderall
Speaker 3: and how the dead live on within us. But before
Speaker 3: we do that, a lot of folks have been asking us,
Speaker 3: you guys about recent calamities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've experienced several personally, and I don't know, have
Speaker 2: you guys noticed there are people out here, maybe listening
Speaker 2: to this episode who are actually concerned with our safety,
Speaker 2: and that feels really nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely nice to be checked in on. Heard
Speaker 4: from a couple of folks on Instagram. Been getting emails
Speaker 4: about it, all three of us, and we hear you,
Speaker 4: and we appreciate your concern, and it was well placed concern,
Speaker 4: as it turns out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we're going to pause for a second
Speaker 3: and we'll come back and update everybody on the recent
Speaker 3: calamities as we dive in. All right, folks, we're back.
Speaker 3: As you may have heard, Hurricane Helene walloped the absolute
Speaker 3: bulldog nuts out of the southeastern United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, knocks the boiled peanuts right out of our.
Speaker 3: Hands, right, And a lot of people in the affected
Speaker 3: areas are way worse off than us. Entire communities in
Speaker 3: the Carolinas have disappeared, and our own Noll Brown has
Speaker 3: experienced disaster as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, again, shout out in our hearts,
Speaker 4: go out to folks from the Ashville area. The places,
Speaker 4: I believe the town of Chimney Rock, a lovely little
Speaker 4: tourist destination near Ashville, more or less wiped off the map.
Speaker 4: And many folks in Ashville are still underwater, without power,
Speaker 4: without potable water. People are using like water out of
Speaker 4: pools to flush their toilets and stuff. You know, when
Speaker 4: you when you see the reporting on this kind of
Speaker 4: thing coming your way, you know. I mean, you try
Speaker 4: to think, pause, you do what you can, but you know,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's like an act
Speaker 4: of God. And we were very lucky here in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I know about you guys, but I just got some
Speaker 4: minor basement water intrusion. I mean, it was just we
Speaker 4: were pummeled with rain to the point where any roof
Speaker 4: is gonna be overwhelmed and leak. And I gratefully had
Speaker 4: my gutters cleaned pretty recently. So here at my house
Speaker 4: in Atlanta, it wasn't so bad. But the Augusta, Georgia area,
Speaker 4: where I grew up and where I also own a
Speaker 4: house that I inherited from my mom when she passed
Speaker 4: away a couple of years ago, absolutely obliterated by multiple trees.
Speaker 4: I had been renting this home to a dear family friend.
Speaker 4: My mom was a singer, an opera singer, and taught
Speaker 4: voice lessons kind of in the last years of her life,
Speaker 4: and a person who is for all intos and purposes
Speaker 4: like a sister to me, was one of my mom's
Speaker 4: best in favor of voice students. A real close, basically
Speaker 4: family member, she escaped with her life and the life
Speaker 4: of her two cats. Thankfully had to climb out a window.
Speaker 4: Even told me she in a weird way, feels like
Speaker 4: my mom woke her up twenty minutes before the trees
Speaker 4: impacted the house at around five thirty am over the weekend.
Speaker 4: And yeah, there's there's multiple trees inside of the house.
Speaker 4: And part of the benefit of renting to this friend
Speaker 4: she was she loved my mom, and my mom had
Speaker 4: a lot of weird stuff, opera memorabilia and the like,
Speaker 4: and grand piano and all that, and so a lot
Speaker 4: of that stuff was able to stay in the house.
Speaker 4: It's now open to the elements. I've you know, applied
Speaker 4: for disaster relief and clean up through Crisis Cleanup dot org.
Speaker 4: And there's just so many trees down in the Augusta area.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure when they're going to get to my house.
Speaker 3: So yeah, got some family in Appalachia still without running
Speaker 3: water or power. Luckily they have prepared in advanced The
Speaker 3: bridge is right. There was a lot of flooding. Matt,
Speaker 3: how are things going in your neck of the Global Woods?
Speaker 2: Feeling relatively untouched up here. Most of my neighbors and
Speaker 2: I didn't sleep all of my friends I was in
Speaker 2: contact with. We know, none of us slept because it
Speaker 2: looked like it was going to be horrific, and it
Speaker 2: turns out it was just not for us. In particular.
Speaker 2: This storm killed well over one hundred people. I think
Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen was the last estimate I saw
Speaker 2: from CNN.
Speaker 3: Most recent one. Yeah, likely to rise, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: think of the people who are disappeared currctly, oh yeah, or.
Speaker 4: You know, fallout from lack of resources, you know, lack
Speaker 4: of hospital, lack of being able to be reached, lack
Speaker 4: of medication for elderly folks.
Speaker 5: I mean, this number is going to rise.
Speaker 2: The effects of the storm are going to continue on
Speaker 2: for weeks, if not months from now, and it's just horrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really horrifying.
Speaker 3: And then to add to that, there was a massive
Speaker 3: leak of chlorine gas as we record here in the
Speaker 3: fine metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia. Over in Conyers, just a
Speaker 3: little bit east as the crow flies, a place called
Speaker 3: Biolap which is notoriously slap dash in their infrastructure. As
Speaker 3: a result of flooding to the point about knock on effects,
Speaker 3: their compound was compromised and there is currently a huge
Speaker 3: flume of chlorine gas moving through the city.
Speaker 4: And you know, we all initially saw the story. I
Speaker 4: think we attributed it to some kind of negligence, which
Speaker 4: is definitely not off the table. But this was also
Speaker 4: in some ways flooding related, right, Like it was like
Speaker 4: a building that had massive standing water on the roof
Speaker 4: and it fell through and reacted with the chlorine, which
Speaker 4: is if I think, if anyone knows when you write
Speaker 4: chlorine and water, no, I mean, is that all it
Speaker 4: takes for it to create chlorine gas?
Speaker 3: You need something else, right, Chlorine gas is incredibly dangerous
Speaker 3: in an enclosed environment. It does dissipate fairly readily in
Speaker 3: an open air environment. However, as we were talking about
Speaker 3: earlier in our group chat, the effects appear to be
Speaker 3: pretty widespread in the metro area. Noel, you were saying earlier,
Speaker 3: you walked outside, you saw the haze, your nose started burning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean here in thirty miles away, he said,
Speaker 4: to the east. But as we know, with things like
Speaker 4: Chernobyl and three Mile Island, which we're going to get to,
Speaker 4: that fallout, it travels with the winds.
Speaker 5: And I think we.
Speaker 4: All walked outside to a weird mist like haze, and Matt,
Speaker 4: you're up a little closer to well, I guess you
Speaker 4: used to being. Maybe you're in a different direction now,
Speaker 4: but an area called Buford Highway or Lawrenceville. I saw
Speaker 4: videos from there where it was just literally like the mists,
Speaker 4: like the Stephen King story, just absolutely this very weird,
Speaker 4: sickly kind of haze.
Speaker 5: I don't know, did you experience that.
Speaker 4: I think maybe a little more densely than we did
Speaker 4: here in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm significantly northeast of you guys in the city,
Speaker 2: and I'm you know, that's where the wind was blowing.
Speaker 2: So my son's school sent out a big notice that
Speaker 2: they were keeping all the kids inside and they were canceling,
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of activities outside and everything like that.
Speaker 2: And if you look out, yep, you get that haze
Speaker 2: and you take a whiff. Didn't hurt my lungs or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but you your body knows you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be breathing whatever.
Speaker 5: This is Spidey sense.
Speaker 3: And again we are saying this to keep everyone informed,
Speaker 3: and we are immensely grateful for everybody who checked in.
Speaker 3: Our primary point here is that there are other people
Speaker 3: who are much more adversely affected, So please do check
Speaker 3: in on your friends and relatives in the area. Please
Speaker 3: do also consider if you have the means and inclination
Speaker 3: helping out if you can, And every little bit matters,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 3: a social media post, it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 3: gofund me. When people need help, they are often frightened
Speaker 3: to ask for it, and it is a tremendous good
Speaker 3: to contribute to some organization.
Speaker 4: And I'm really lucky that I have really dear friends
Speaker 4: near my mom's house that are checking in on it
Speaker 4: for you. But they literally can't get to it yet,
Speaker 4: and it's not safe to go in the house. Power
Speaker 4: is out in Augusta and then they can't drink the
Speaker 4: water is not flowing because of damage to the pumps.
Speaker 5: But back to the chlorine thing. I just wanted to
Speaker 5: mention too.
Speaker 4: We all three got I think the same public safety
Speaker 4: alert that reads. Interestingly, Georgia Emergency Management Agents the Homeland
Speaker 4: Security Agency on behalf of the Environmental Protection Division Local
Speaker 4: Area Emergency Local Area Emergency due to Rockdale County biolab fire.
Speaker 4: The EPA is monitoring air quality for chlorine and related compounds.
Speaker 4: Chemical levels are unlikely to cause harm to most people.
Speaker 3: Right, and make sure make sure to check that out, folks,
Speaker 3: so you can study the gratuitous use of capital letters
Speaker 3: in that text message right, most people is in capital letters,
Speaker 3: just to say again the focus is on the other
Speaker 3: people who have been more versely affected. We are here,
Speaker 3: We appreciate you. Please, please please help our community. Don't
Speaker 3: worry about us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and keep your ear to the ground because in
Speaker 2: both of these instances, if you look at Biolab, the
Speaker 2: company that's responsible for the fire here in Rockdale County
Speaker 2: slash Conyers Slash east of Atlanta, you can look back
Speaker 2: at the history of this company and see that there
Speaker 2: have been very similar spills, slash fires, slash basically toxic
Speaker 2: chemicals that have been released in mass from this group
Speaker 2: and from this facility many times. Exactly twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: there was a very similar fire that's been written about
Speaker 2: in a lot of places, at least Atlanta publications and
Speaker 2: several other that are not so local. This is a
Speaker 2: quote from Rockdale County Fire Chief Marion McDonald. This person said,
Speaker 2: I've been with a county for seven years and this
Speaker 2: is probably the third event of this magnitude that that
Speaker 2: person is aware of, and the other thing to keep
Speaker 2: in mind. There are currently three tropical storm cyclones that
Speaker 2: are forming in the Atlantic right now, with around a
Speaker 2: forty percent chance at least estimated right now to the
Speaker 2: best of what I've been seeing, of forming another storm,
Speaker 2: if not more than one storm that rolls back through
Speaker 2: that same area of the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 3: As we record on the evening of September thirtieth, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. So again, we want to check in. I
Speaker 3: love that you say, keep your ear to the ground.
Speaker 3: Help us be informed as well, folks, because a lot
Speaker 3: of things are not quite making the news, and you
Speaker 3: know it's it's a sticky subject, right The idea of
Speaker 3: when it rains, it pours does apply here. We are safe.
Speaker 3: We hope you are safe as well. We wanted to
Speaker 3: spend this time with you at the very top and
Speaker 3: thank you for your time checking in with us. Do
Speaker 3: you guys, before we go to an ad break, I
Speaker 3: know we're running along. Do you want to hear a
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear a weird message about dead people?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, yess, this is why we hang out right, So
Speaker 3: our returning guest. A frame is weighing in.
Speaker 6: Hey, dude, it's a frame. Now. I was listening to
Speaker 6: an older Strange News episode and you mentioned as a
Speaker 6: way to make people uncomfortable the thought of them having
Speaker 6: someone else's teeth within their mouth. So because you did
Speaker 6: that to me, I'm reminding you that you should think
Speaker 6: about having someone else's teeth in place of your teeth.
Speaker 6: Great to think about. But on a different note, I
Speaker 6: had a knee surgery in twenty nineteen eight. It's starting
Speaker 6: to hurt again and in a few years I'll probably
Speaker 6: need a new replacement. But anyways, when that happened, they
Speaker 6: added a cadaver ligament that runs from my kneecap to
Speaker 6: my femur and normally there's not an extra ligament there,
Speaker 6: and it was taken from either an mcl ACL or
Speaker 6: LCL other like similar knee ligament from a cadaver. And
Speaker 6: he even got a little card being like, you're the
Speaker 6: benefactor of organ donation, Maybe think about saying yes at
Speaker 6: the D and D, which I always have, but food
Speaker 6: for thought that it is genuinely helpful to be an
Speaker 6: organ donor. It's not all livers and kidneys and stuff.
Speaker 6: It's also things.
Speaker 7: Like ligaments for people who wouldn't really really be able
Speaker 7: to walk without it, and it's one.
Speaker 6: Of those things that has helped me avoid having a
Speaker 6: similar knee injury. Ever, in that time, I do have
Speaker 6: some pain from other.
Speaker 7: Parts of the surgery, but the dead guy parts doing fine.
Speaker 7: And a lot of times when I say I have
Speaker 7: a dead guy's ligament in my knee, it makes some
Speaker 7: people uncomfortable, and other people are like, hell yeah, it's
Speaker 7: like either one of the two who.
Speaker 3: They're like, Oh, They're like, oh yeah, we're.
Speaker 7: At dead guy and you, like, you know, at.
Speaker 3: A frame at all. I guess we should say, because
Speaker 3: you have a dead man inside you, a frame and company,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. That is an important point and
Speaker 3: rem finds me Guys of our earlier conversations about organ donation. Remember,
Speaker 3: we're talking about how strange it is that most people
Speaker 3: in a country will be organ donors if they have
Speaker 3: to opt out of organ donation, but most people in
Speaker 3: a country or a great percentage of the population will
Speaker 3: not be organ donors if they have to opt in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, if you're hearing this in the future and
Speaker 2: you've got my ligaments in you you're welcome. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is your ligament talking.
Speaker 3: You're welcome and sorry for the kidney.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I always think about like a lot of Japanese horror
Speaker 4: around possessed people possessed by Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big thing. Religion is a religion is
Speaker 3: a huge factor in a law of Oregon donation.
Speaker 2: How about this, if any of us end up in
Speaker 2: somebody else, let's see if we can come up with
Speaker 2: some kind of message that we get the person's body
Speaker 2: that we're inside now to like communicate to the other two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the word is jed June at least that's what
Speaker 3: I got the last two times. Okay, j E j
Speaker 3: u n e.
Speaker 2: All right, got it?
Speaker 7: This?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a great idea, Matt.
Speaker 3: I really I really love that you're pointing this out
Speaker 3: because there is a non zero chance that if you
Speaker 3: are alive now, when you pass away, you may be
Speaker 3: or parts of you may be in a real ship
Speaker 3: of thesis situation. And the question is are you married
Speaker 3: to this idea your body? Do you want to help
Speaker 3: other people? Is there an article Like a body is
Speaker 3: a set of clothing, right, so is there an article
Speaker 3: of your clothing that you would not want to part
Speaker 3: with you. Guys. Remember when I tried to donate an
Speaker 3: eye or a cornea as a as a living, non
Speaker 3: accident victim and they wouldn't let me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're weird, Ben and I love it.
Speaker 5: It's both of you.
Speaker 3: It's not a great eye. I'm not giving them a
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 2: You never give them that good one.
Speaker 3: I've given them like the nineteen eighty four Toyota Corolla
Speaker 3: version of a cornea. You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 3: it works?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, does it drive?
Speaker 3: Let's go all the speaking of going. Folks, please write
Speaker 3: into us with your stories, your opinions on organ donation.
Speaker 3: We know it is a very sticky subject. It also
Speaker 3: makes a great deal of difference to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And without sounding to Nosferatu, right now, as we record,
Speaker 3: going back to recent calamities, the humans need blood. There
Speaker 3: is a definite need for plasma across the southeastern United
Speaker 3: States in wake of the current disasters. So we're going
Speaker 3: to pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll
Speaker 3: be back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4: And we're back with a pretty sobering and heavy message
Speaker 4: from a listener. I'm going to leave their name out
Speaker 4: of it. They didn't say one way or the other.
Speaker 4: But it is a very personal story that they gave
Speaker 4: us permission to share. But you know, with things like
Speaker 4: the opioid epidemic and just so much rampant addiction in
Speaker 4: this country, and now of course deaths resulting from adulterated
Speaker 4: drugs and pills that are pressed to look like a
Speaker 4: certain ruption, opioids that are laced with fentanyl, and all
Speaker 4: of that. I mean, addiction is just a real problem
Speaker 4: in this country. And I don't think that's a hot take,
Speaker 4: But I wanted to read this because it is the
Speaker 4: perspective of someone who's really been through it, and someone
Speaker 4: who has a sense from their own life as to
Speaker 4: maybe where the origins of their kind, of their brains
Speaker 4: craving for something else, something extra, came from.
Speaker 5: I don't know, let's just get into it. My name
Speaker 5: is X.
Speaker 4: I am thirty years old and now live in a
Speaker 4: very small Colorado town called what's redacted where in the
Speaker 4: late eighteen well, I'm not going to redact because this
Speaker 4: is interesting.
Speaker 5: Called Lake City?
Speaker 2: Is that Lake City?
Speaker 4: Quiet pills, guys, Lake City, Colorado? Where was Lake City
Speaker 4: in that story? Was that Colorado comment fair enough. Well, anyway,
Speaker 4: there's another association with Lake City. This Lake City in
Speaker 4: Colorado where in the late eighteen hundreds a man named
Speaker 4: Alfred Pac allegedly eight some people. I want to look
Speaker 4: into that further, but that's a discussion for another day.
Speaker 4: I have been severely addicted to opiates and other drugs
Speaker 4: for my entire adult life. Very early in my addiction
Speaker 4: I contracted hepatitis C and I am now dying of
Speaker 4: liver cancer as a result.
Speaker 5: I have been to.
Speaker 4: Prison for the possession of heroin. I left there with
Speaker 4: PTSD and an addiction to a drug they put me
Speaker 4: on called Gaba pentin, which is in the class of
Speaker 4: drug called Gabba pentenoids, of which Lyrica is one.
Speaker 2: That is the drug that is often given to cats
Speaker 2: to calm them down.
Speaker 5: That's right, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: It is a supposedly it's a non opioid drug with
Speaker 4: opioid like properties, is my understanding. Lyrica A is one
Speaker 4: that you may have heard of. Continuing, I was forced
Speaker 4: by my public school as a small child to take
Speaker 4: dextro amphetamine salt adderall or I would not be allowed
Speaker 4: to return to school. I have been told by addiction
Speaker 4: specialists that the effect of amphetamines on my developing mind
Speaker 4: is the reason I have.
Speaker 5: Such an addictive personality.
Speaker 4: The point of this email is I do not have
Speaker 4: much time left in this world, and it is my
Speaker 4: dream to share my story in the.
Speaker 5: Hopes that I could help someone.
Speaker 4: I have been to six very different types of drug
Speaker 4: rehabilitation facilities, and for whatever reason, was never able to
Speaker 4: gain anything from these places. But I have met many
Speaker 4: addicts of all different types. I have watched friends overdose
Speaker 4: and die, and I have found friends dead after days.
Speaker 4: I was in a very cultish Christian rehab called Victory Outreach,
Speaker 4: where I saw people try to pray away a friend's
Speaker 4: seizures brought on by alcohol withdrawal. That friend had a seizure,
Speaker 4: fell and broke his neck on a toilet and died
Speaker 4: later the very same day. I'm not sure how my
Speaker 4: story fits into your podcasts, but I very much would
Speaker 4: like to share my story in some way and was
Speaker 4: hoping that in some way you all could possibly help.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys very much for what you do. I
Speaker 4: know this hits me really hard directly. I grew up
Speaker 4: in a town in the midst of the opioid epidemic
Speaker 4: where there was a lot of OxyContin and those kinds
Speaker 4: of things just rolling around on the streets and people
Speaker 4: were selling their prescriptions. It was just an absolute epidemic
Speaker 4: in my hometown. It was very, very, very serious. And
Speaker 4: I also had a lot of friends who succumbs to
Speaker 4: addiction and ultimately died from various things. You know, as
Speaker 4: we've talked about, a lot of people would get addicted
Speaker 4: to OxyContin and things like that, and then when it
Speaker 4: became less available because of changes in regulation, they just
Speaker 4: pivoted directly to heroin. It's a very common story and
Speaker 4: it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: I don't know, guys.
Speaker 4: Back to the I guess the crux of this email,
Speaker 4: which is the notion that prescribing young people such a
Speaker 4: powerful drug as it's called amphetamine salts guys. It says
Speaker 4: it on the on the bottle. How can it not
Speaker 4: have a significant impact on the developing brain of a
Speaker 4: young child and leads to a situation where that brain
Speaker 4: is just used to being overclocked, for lack of a
Speaker 4: better term, in some way.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a tough thing because it's prescribed to
Speaker 2: those kids. Because their bodies react differently to those drugs,
Speaker 2: those stimulant drugs than other people's bodies. Right, there's a
Speaker 2: calming effect rather than an upper effect.
Speaker 5: That is what they say.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean that is I know theoretically why right.
Speaker 5: But you cannot deny that.
Speaker 4: Whatever the effect is, it's the same drug and your
Speaker 4: brain gets used to it, and it's not something that
Speaker 4: you usually take for your whole life. And I just
Speaker 4: have to wonder when a young person decides they're not
Speaker 4: going to take that anymore or taper off of it,
Speaker 4: if that leaves sort of like a want in their
Speaker 4: brain for other stuff that they then seek out.
Speaker 3: Agreed. The idea that we're talking about here, heavy substances
Speaker 3: applied to developing brains is mission critical because the hellothellow humans.
Speaker 3: The development of a brain in the human body does
Speaker 3: You could call it rehearsal. It rehearses. There's a reason
Speaker 3: that your brain grows at a slower rate than your body.
Speaker 3: The neurons in your brain can form pathways just as
Speaker 3: you're outlining there, guys, And when you hit a human
Speaker 3: brain with these very heavy things, like we all some
Speaker 3: of us are old enough to recall when heavy psychoactives
Speaker 3: were applied to human brain in developmental stages, right, Like,
Speaker 3: there's a good question over when a human brain is
Speaker 3: done developing. And to your point, Noel, and with great affection, anonymous,
Speaker 3: it does seem that there are lasting consequences. You can
Speaker 3: inculcate addiction, you can inculcate pattern and behavior right with
Speaker 3: the dosing of heavy narcotics or heavy drugs in a
Speaker 3: developing human brain. And it's something that a lot of
Speaker 3: people like to pretend is not true. But shout out
Speaker 3: to the kids who got dosed with zoloft in middle school.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, that has a lasting effect.
Speaker 4: No, it makes perfect sense, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: kind of intuitive to think that that how could such
Speaker 4: a powerful drug not have an impact? You know, and
Speaker 4: we know from things like the opioid epidemic brought on
Speaker 4: by the sacklers, the notion that these companies we'll say
Speaker 4: things like this is not addictive or it's totally fine.
Speaker 4: It's like we've we've learned through patterns of this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff that that's not always to be taken at
Speaker 4: face value, not to be all like, don't trust big pharma.
Speaker 4: Maybe now now maybe to be don't trust big pharma guys,
Speaker 4: because a lot of these these these studies are very
Speaker 4: self serving.
Speaker 5: The data can be manipulated in numerous ways. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there are very real and also fictional scenarios that
Speaker 2: end up in TV shows and movies where it's concepts
Speaker 2: of how is a company that's publicly traded, let's say,
Speaker 2: massive organization, how are they able to get narcotics in right,
Speaker 2: like the poppies that create heroin, to then create a
Speaker 2: drug that they can sell above board to patients rather
Speaker 2: than you know, to a user and.
Speaker 5: To children in this case you're selling it to their parents.
Speaker 5: But let's be honest.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was an absolute just rash of like
Speaker 4: Willy Nilly some prescriptions of Adderall.
Speaker 5: And Middland children in those days. It was everywhere. It
Speaker 5: was just like it was the thing you did, you know, to.
Speaker 3: The question about opiates, you could also ask the same
Speaker 3: thing about coca cocaine, like the remember the time we
Speaker 3: almost got kicked out a podcast movement or something because
Speaker 3: I was yelling name me one coca field right in
Speaker 3: the United States. We know that there is a supply chain.
Speaker 3: Look at the way it works. What you're outlining there,
Speaker 3: Matt reminds me quite a bit, to a disturbing degree
Speaker 3: of the old Catch twenty two with resurrection men in
Speaker 3: the United Kingdom back in the day. Right, it's illegal
Speaker 3: to get the body, but it is legal to use
Speaker 3: a body if you happen upon it. So it is
Speaker 3: illegal to It is illegal to propagate opium and other
Speaker 3: dangerous substances unless you get the right loopholes in place.
Speaker 3: And this does arguably, I think science will support this.
Speaker 3: This does arguably endanger people, especially when we're considering, like
Speaker 3: you know, talking earlier about the idea of opioids going
Speaker 3: through parts of the US like a natural disaster. It
Speaker 3: absolutely waxed a huge portion of the Midwest and the Appalachians.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and amphetamines the same.
Speaker 3: Right, hillbilly heroin amphetamines. The reason you can't buy certain
Speaker 3: truck or speed or certain cold relief things in bulk.
Speaker 3: There is a problem that could be addressed, and for
Speaker 3: some reason, who are we to say what that reason
Speaker 3: may be. For some reason, the people who could prevent
Speaker 3: this have chosen not to do so.
Speaker 4: Not only chosen not to do so, chosen to capitalize
Speaker 4: on it. To Matt's point, I mean, it's it does
Speaker 4: feel like and We've talked about this in Big Pharmat
Speaker 4: episodes and it's not even a particularly hot take, but
Speaker 4: it does feel like a legalized drug cartel distribution network.
Speaker 2: You can't be a pusher if you don't have users,
Speaker 2: and you got to foster those users and make sure
Speaker 2: they're hooked and need more of your product. And that
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what that product is. Got
Speaker 2: to have people hooked. And to that note, And if
Speaker 2: you're uncomfortable this, and we will just tell me, I'm
Speaker 2: genuinely asking. I want to know how did you get
Speaker 2: out of that world, that situation you were in where
Speaker 2: you had friends that were going through stuff that our
Speaker 2: anonymous writer was writing to us about. What was there something?
Speaker 2: So I know, how did you escape that? Because I
Speaker 2: didn't go through that when I was younger, I say.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a good question, and I mean, I'll
Speaker 4: be completely honest.
Speaker 5: I mean I was.
Speaker 4: I was swept up in that to a degree. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to be real, and I did escape
Speaker 4: it through a lot of things. I mean, ultimately I
Speaker 4: got out of that town. My life changed in many
Speaker 4: ways and I changed along with it.
Speaker 5: And but a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Just get stuck in these small towns and that's like
Speaker 4: all there is to do, and it's just an easy
Speaker 4: escape from malaise of life and just from like the
Speaker 4: boredom of living in a small town. And that's why
Speaker 4: the towns you're talking about, Ben in the Midwest were
Speaker 4: so horribly affected because it's just I don't know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to sound reductive, but there's just not much
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: And well that's the old the old troope, right, or
Speaker 3: the old truism that many of us have heard. Stuck
Speaker 3: in a small town. You have church, you have fans,
Speaker 3: or you have vices, right, and those can be self
Speaker 3: limiting factors.
Speaker 4: And the saddest thing too is, guys, a lot of
Speaker 4: these people that I know from those days, they didn't
Speaker 4: die then, they died many years later because of continued
Speaker 4: involvement with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Because of the evolution of addiction.
Speaker 4: You know, oxycoton went away, so a lot of these
Speaker 4: people replace that with another vice. A lot of these
Speaker 4: people would do anything they could to get their hands on,
Speaker 4: you know, other prescription pharmaceuticals or like I said, many
Speaker 4: people pivot to heroin. So an epidemic like this, like
Speaker 4: the death toll isn't immediately visible because this stuff follows
Speaker 4: people around. Our listener here is talking about being on
Speaker 4: their deathbed many many years later, after being incarcerated, you know,
Speaker 4: after being to multiple types of rehab facilities. This is
Speaker 4: a person coming to us at the end of their life,
Speaker 4: and they're not going to die from an overdose. They're
Speaker 4: they're likely going to pass away due to a resulting
Speaker 4: factor of I presume intervenous drug use. And this is
Speaker 4: many many years removed, of course, many decades removed from
Speaker 4: the adderall, you know, but like many many years removed
Speaker 4: from the initial like addiction to the opioids, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's a lot of the people that I know,
Speaker 4: some people that I know just died a handful of
Speaker 4: years ago, and I found out about it, that they overdosed,
Speaker 4: that they just were so malnourished and living horrible lives
Speaker 4: in terms of taking care of themselves.
Speaker 5: It's it's real, y'all. It's it's real.
Speaker 3: It is, it is real. There are you could say,
Speaker 3: conspiracies of foot beyond that. We do know that right
Speaker 3: now there are people whose lives can be saved.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's interesting I heard recently on the radio that there
Speaker 4: is a bill at play or there's some something to
Speaker 4: do with public health where they are now. I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's past or whatever it is, but I
Speaker 4: think it's a good suggestion, the idea that if opioids
Speaker 4: are ever prescribed, then they also prescribed nar can like
Speaker 4: at the same time, so that you have that around,
Speaker 4: because a lot of this stuff is from kids taking
Speaker 4: their parents' medication and using it recreationally.
Speaker 5: So to be in that situation and.
Speaker 4: Then not have that life saving drug around, that's where
Speaker 4: the death comes from. I mean, again, I don't know
Speaker 4: the statistics of how what effect that might have, but
Speaker 4: it does seem like a pretty good idea to me.
Speaker 5: So anyway, thank you, and we do hope you're still
Speaker 5: with us.
Speaker 4: I know this was a bit of a downer one,
Speaker 4: but I think it's an important thing to talk about,
Speaker 4: and thank you guys for your perspectives on this as well.
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Speaker 2: And we've returned and we are going to jump to
Speaker 2: the phone lines and hear a message from Silver.
Speaker 7: Hey guys, Silver, you can use this message in my
Speaker 7: name if you would like to.
Speaker 8: Just kind of a forty hour has water or tests.
Speaker 8: While I was in there, I saw an article about
Speaker 8: the restart of Three Mile Island, the giant nuclear plants
Speaker 8: that will have been cause some issues in Pennsylvania so
Speaker 8: many years ago. But I saw that they're going to
Speaker 8: restart one of the reactors, which is like thirty three
Speaker 8: hundred megawatts, and the sole purpose is the Constellation Energy
Speaker 8: is making a deal so that Microsoft can buy all
Speaker 8: the energy that that nuclear power plant produces to power
Speaker 8: their AI servers. Just an interesting article. I thought it
Speaker 8: might be something you guys might want to look into.
Speaker 8: If they were to react this facility, it would be
Speaker 8: the first one ever that's the Nuclear Regulatory Committee approved
Speaker 8: for coming out of off fall status. It's like a
Speaker 8: one point six billion dollar project at Microsoft, and I
Speaker 8: think Amazon zump in on it too, So they're they're
Speaker 8: looking to produce power again in like twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 7: Which is not that far away to get. Obviously they're
Speaker 7: not going to do the one that blew up, but
Speaker 7: the other reactor's still good next to it.
Speaker 8: That would be pretty interesting. And it's all just for
Speaker 8: powering the AI.
Speaker 7: Servers and things like that.
Speaker 8: All right, well the show always listening to you, guys,
Speaker 8: so I'm going.
Speaker 4: Tight tie fascinating, right, We've been talking about the big
Speaker 4: brain on the grid from all this stuff. So there's
Speaker 4: part of me that's like, this isn't an awful idea.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, Thank you Silver exactly. Silver, You're awesome. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for sending this our way.
Speaker 5: Uh so fascinating on so many levels.
Speaker 2: To be honest, guys, I saw a little blip about
Speaker 2: this passed through and I wanted to talk about it
Speaker 2: for Strange News, but I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's other stuff we got to talk about first, and Silver,
Speaker 2: you came in with the wind. So Silver, okay. So
Speaker 2: first thing we have to get through here is that
Speaker 2: Unit two bad, Unit one good plus. So Unit two
Speaker 2: is the reactor there at the three Mile Island facility
Speaker 2: in Middletown or Middleton maybe Pennsylvania. That occurred on March
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, nineteen seventy nine. That's when it was a
Speaker 2: partial meltdown, and it was very, very serious. It's the
Speaker 2: most serious accident in US commercial nuclear power plant operating history.
Speaker 3: Hey, partial though only a little gin up, guys, got's
Speaker 3: just a little meltdown, the whole meltdown.
Speaker 5: It wasn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, let's just credit where credit is due.
Speaker 4: Maybe is the wrong expression, but it wasn't like Chernobyl level.
Speaker 4: It was not like a an absolute fallout apocalyptic you know,
Speaker 4: drifting nuclear material situation.
Speaker 5: They contained it relatively.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, yeah, but unit too bad.
Speaker 5: You know one Still it's still pertly good. It's still good.
Speaker 3: It's still good double plus.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So when I when I saw this headline, Matt, I
Speaker 5: thought they were.
Speaker 4: Just like using the the facility, like repurposing it to
Speaker 4: make chips. I did not at all realize they were
Speaker 4: talking about relaunching a reactor. And like, this is also unprecedent,
Speaker 4: because have you ever heard of a private company having
Speaker 4: their own nuclear reactor?
Speaker 5: I mean, who do.
Speaker 3: You think builds them?
Speaker 5: Westinghouse?
Speaker 4: You know, but I'm talking about like these are giant
Speaker 4: energy companies. I don't know of any like manufacturing facility
Speaker 4: that has an on site nuke reactor.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're on the forefront.
Speaker 5: Of this file.
Speaker 2: It's happening now, and it's a bunch of companies that
Speaker 2: have massive data centers that are going to run their
Speaker 2: AI applications, whatever those are going to be. It is
Speaker 2: happening across the board right now.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about a second one, but let's stay
Speaker 2: on just the tip, the news tip that Silver gave
Speaker 2: us there after.
Speaker 3: The test tip.
Speaker 5: Just theoling.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're jumping to a CNBC article from September
Speaker 2: twentieth titled Constellation Energy to restart a three Mile Island
Speaker 2: nuclear plant, sell the power to Microsoft for AI. Now
Speaker 2: it expects, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and several
Speaker 2: other journalists they have got access to what's going on
Speaker 2: over there, it is a deal between Constellation Energy and
Speaker 2: Microsoft primarily, and the company, Constellation Energy, expects Unit one
Speaker 2: reactor to be ready twenty twenty eight, just like Silver said,
Speaker 2: subject to approval, of course, by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Speaker 2: sure sure.
Speaker 3: And Constellation Energy owns three Mile.
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, correct, And they had to shutter it in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen because it couldn't keep up with cheap natural
Speaker 2: gas all the energy that was being produced around the
Speaker 2: United States, and they're like, gosh, we can't, we can't
Speaker 2: make energy at that at that price point. So I
Speaker 2: guess we got to shut this thing down. And Microsoft said,
Speaker 2: hold on one second.
Speaker 3: Microsoft said, deer.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if it does get approved by
Speaker 2: the NRC and begins operations in twenty twenty eight, they
Speaker 2: plan to have a contract to run it until twenty
Speaker 2: fifty four. I think you.
Speaker 3: Have to you have to bake that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: in for the deal to work.
Speaker 4: M and long term leases on commercial property, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yes, bit, yeah, yes, And again we're talking this in
Speaker 2: mid September this month. We were at the end of
Speaker 2: the month as we're recording this on the thirtieth. But
Speaker 2: when this announcement came through, Constellation Energy stock jumped twenty
Speaker 2: two percent in the positive. So people are into it.
Speaker 2: They're saying, I got a customer. It's a built in customer.
Speaker 2: It's going to pay for all of the power for
Speaker 2: a long place. There's a place for it to go.
Speaker 3: Well S, Constellation is already a pretty big energy company. Oh,
Speaker 3: you have interest in natural gas, and they know the
Speaker 3: old jazz. They just want to get this nuclear jaloppy
Speaker 3: up and running.
Speaker 5: That's the question that Matt.
Speaker 4: I mean, since you said they shut it down because
Speaker 4: it wasn't efficient enough for actual contribution to the grid.
Speaker 4: Let's just say, for like, you know, constellations purposes of
Speaker 4: actually providing energy to its customers. Is this an interesting
Speaker 4: and reasonable use of it because it will also take
Speaker 4: some strain off of the grid from all this AI nonsense.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, think about it. If you could make spoke
Speaker 2: nuke plants for all of these companies trying to get
Speaker 2: their AI stuff off the ground.
Speaker 4: There are new small, quote unquote modular nuke reactors that
Speaker 4: are starting to be rolled out.
Speaker 2: And think about the government's interest. You guys are spinning.
Speaker 2: You need some stuff to get spun up. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: for if you're a reactor, we can use some of that.
Speaker 3: Guys. This is just for our artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Okay.
Speaker 5: I'm making those memes.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: This is literally for meme generation.
Speaker 3: It does answer, it does answer one of the great
Speaker 3: dilemmas which is on the horizon, which is how do
Speaker 3: we power these very thirsty machines, right, And the cleanest answer,
Speaker 3: obviously is going to be something like solar power, something
Speaker 3: like hydroelectric or geotherbal power. However, nuclear power is super
Speaker 3: tasty because all you need is well, you need a
Speaker 3: lot of yeah, but it is still cleaner than being
Speaker 3: dependent upon fossil fuels. That is, that is the great
Speaker 3: Achilles heel, right, just like the Achilles heel of so
Speaker 3: many podcasts is advertising. So if in that terrible example,
Speaker 3: the idea of powering, we saw this again with things
Speaker 3: like bitcoin mining, right, also very thirsty, very energy intensive.
Speaker 3: If you cannot create an easy solar power, hydroelectric or
Speaker 3: geothermal source, then nuclear energy is still theoretically way more
Speaker 3: bang for your buck. And I don't know if everybody
Speaker 3: is aware of just like the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 3: nuclear energy, it's making water steam and then turn turbine.
Speaker 3: I feel like people are afraid of the word until
Speaker 3: they know what it is.
Speaker 5: Well, they should be afraid of the word. Be the waste.
Speaker 5: That's this part of the problem, the equation that we
Speaker 5: haven't solved yet.
Speaker 4: They didn't bury it in the desert, Like there's no
Speaker 4: good way of dealing with nuclear waste.
Speaker 2: And if you're still using rods, they can still burn
Speaker 2: their way right through whatever it is you put below them.
Speaker 4: It does just what a meltdown is, yeah, right, it's
Speaker 4: when it melts.
Speaker 5: Down into the damn Earth.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm so excited about our future episode on
Speaker 3: how to warn other generations about nuclear waste.
Speaker 4: I'm excited about the next party we go to together.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have so much new material.
Speaker 2: Guys, nuclear material and so. Ben, when you were talking
Speaker 2: about how do we feed these thirsty machines, I really
Speaker 2: thought you were going to say, build a simulation of
Speaker 2: the year nineteen ninety nine in New York City, then
Speaker 2: build pods for human beings to grow up inside and
Speaker 2: fill those with some kind of goo, and then make
Speaker 2: sure all of those humans are batteries connected to your system.
Speaker 5: Wait, is this the plot of the movie that mate?
Speaker 3: Hey, spoilers come on. That's Matt's favorite film.
Speaker 2: It really is. So it's gonna cost one point six
Speaker 2: billion dollars just to get this reactor up and started
Speaker 2: and working again by twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they shut it down, But like, does that
Speaker 4: mean it's it's just it's falling into disrepair. They got
Speaker 4: to like do some referb to it or what.
Speaker 3: Very expensive to maintain? I mean just the it's not
Speaker 3: like this is the equivalent of not just finding a
Speaker 3: rusted out car that you know could be good. This
Speaker 3: is the equivalent of finding the rusted out hulk of
Speaker 3: a car or the chassis of a car and then say, eh,
Speaker 3: let me look at the engine.
Speaker 5: When was it taken offline?
Speaker 2: Again, Matt, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: But that's that's not that long ago that I don't
Speaker 4: understand this billions situation.
Speaker 2: Well there, Look, they they want a brand new nuclear power.
Speaker 5: They're gonna do it up.
Speaker 2: It's whether you want. Because Unit two so bad. Unit
Speaker 2: one has to be real, real good. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But they're not going to build a new reactor.
Speaker 4: It takes I mean, we talked about this.
Speaker 3: It's still more expensive to build a new reaction. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: was the crazy.
Speaker 5: Thing, that's right.
Speaker 4: We talked about like how long you know, so a
Speaker 4: southern company here in Georgia has been trying to finish
Speaker 4: an additional reactor at Plant Vogel for like ten years
Speaker 4: and it just got finished and so over budget and
Speaker 4: absolutely a nightmare is the regulatory process.
Speaker 5: It's a big deal.
Speaker 2: And here's a little stat from that CNBC article. Guys,
Speaker 2: just to keep us going down this track, they're investing
Speaker 2: all this money. Right, The stock for Constellation Energy went
Speaker 2: way up. Goldman sacks.
Speaker 4: You know them, you know them, I love them, you
Speaker 4: have feelings about them.
Speaker 2: I'd say that in my head every time now every time.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Ben, It's good. Data centers consume
Speaker 2: an estimated three percent of all US electricity demand this
Speaker 2: year as we're recording this, and Goldman Sachs says that
Speaker 2: number is going to be closer to about eight percent,
Speaker 2: if not exceeding eight percent, by twenty thirty. And this
Speaker 2: thing comes online theoretically in twenty twenty eight, so it
Speaker 2: could be a huge, huge difference in the strain on
Speaker 2: the energy grid. As you guys were saying. But here's
Speaker 2: the biggest thing CNBC article. I'm going to continue on
Speaker 2: with you. Let's shout out Spencer Kimball you're the author
Speaker 2: of this, because I'm reading some of your words verbatim here.
Speaker 2: In March, Amazon Web Services bought a data center campus
Speaker 2: from Talent Energy that's going to be powered by the
Speaker 2: Susquehanna Susquehanna Nuclear Plant, which is also in Pennsylvania. It's
Speaker 2: apparently a first of its kind deal. Oracle, another company
Speaker 2: that's doing this very thing, said it's designing a new
Speaker 2: data center that's going to be powered by three separate
Speaker 2: small nuclear reactors. And there's another one, guys. The Palisades
Speaker 2: Nuclear Reactor in Michigan is going to be returning to
Speaker 2: service in twenty twenty five, and if this one is
Speaker 2: going to have multiple users, but again, data centers are
Speaker 2: going to be one of the primary things that it
Speaker 2: is fueling with that rod technology house hot rods. It's weird, guys, cool, weird, scary, awesome.
Speaker 3: It's up to future historians perhaps, and it's definitely up
Speaker 3: to current nuclear technicians to make sure we don't have
Speaker 3: another unit one yeah, ever, or god forbid another chernobyl.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about how paranoid the US government is,
Speaker 2: specifically about Chinese made vehicle components, software, and hardware, right
Speaker 2: we're talking about just you know, there's so much paranoia
Speaker 2: about the vulnerability of specifically water, electrical, and other utility services.
Speaker 2: Bringing a bunch of more nuclear rods into the situation
Speaker 2: just feels, I don't know, it feels scared. But maybe
Speaker 2: it just feels that way because we've seen some dangerous
Speaker 2: things happen, and generally humans or at least aware of
Speaker 2: previous mistakes.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the the concord jet controversy, right,
Speaker 3: like remember when? Remember when? Yeah, yes, yeah, there was
Speaker 3: once upon a time commercial jet capability. It no longer
Speaker 3: exists because when this newer technology was rolled out in
Speaker 3: this manner, it only took one bad thing to sink it. Right.
Speaker 3: Think about how many commercial planes have a lot of
Speaker 3: whoopsie daisies right now, shout out Boeing, and they are
Speaker 3: embedded in current infrastructure. So the question with nuclear capability
Speaker 3: is can you keep things jugged lean along until you
Speaker 3: reach a moment when they are normalized? Right? What happens when?
Speaker 3: How do you reach that threshold? Oh, we love this phrase?
Speaker 3: How do you reach that inflection point? There we go
Speaker 3: where where it's weird to have a coal plant and
Speaker 3: it's normal to have a nuclear plant. The thing is
Speaker 3: he can't make a nuclear weapon with coal.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's true, guys. Quick correction. In the case of Palisades,
Speaker 2: the other nuclear reactor there in Michigan, data centers are
Speaker 2: not going to be one of the primary things. And
Speaker 2: I know this because Spencer wrote another article that I
Speaker 2: just found titled Michigan Nuclear Plant finalizes federal loan to
Speaker 2: support first reactor restart in US history. And he states
Speaker 2: here in the case of Palisades, that's the other reactor.
Speaker 2: The power is spoken for by Wolverine Power Cooperative or
Speaker 2: a co op, a nonprofit that provides electricity to rural
Speaker 2: communities in Michigan. So not data centers for now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's like when you hear a charity say
Speaker 3: it gives a portion of the proceeds, like how much
Speaker 3: of how much of that energy generated out of the
Speaker 3: pie slices? How much of that is going to rural
Speaker 3: michiganers in need?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, great if true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also like it does become the question of,
Speaker 4: like how do you feel about nuclear power in general?
Speaker 4: You know, because they still haven't licked the waste problem.
Speaker 4: There's literally a repository outside of Las Vegas, like Yucca Mountain.
Speaker 4: It's just like a bunch of this stuff buried in
Speaker 4: the desert. I'm not joking, and maybe everybody already knows that,
Speaker 4: but it's a thing like there's it doesn't go away,
Speaker 4: and it's very dangerous.
Speaker 2: I would say, never lick the waste problem. It's a
Speaker 2: waste problem. Don't lick it.
Speaker 5: Ben earlier said that nuclear energy was tasty.
Speaker 3: It's not what he meant. That's what I meant. There
Speaker 3: are there are species that are Okay, look, this is
Speaker 3: a little sci fi fish. It is possible to create
Speaker 3: as long as these pesky ethics get out of our way.
Speaker 3: It is possible to create certain forms of life that
Speaker 3: could indeed feed off things considered unusable waste. We already
Speaker 3: see it with extremophiles, right.
Speaker 4: Like the glowing ghules in the Fallout.
Speaker 3: Just so hopefully a smaller life form with fewer hit points.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be sick?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 4: If there was some kind of like the way there's
Speaker 4: certain microbes and things that can like eat.
Speaker 5: Oil, like in oil spills.
Speaker 4: Like if they created something like hybridized or whatever, a
Speaker 4: thing that could actually feed on and digest nuclear waste
Speaker 4: and then poop it out in some sort of non
Speaker 4: nuclear form.
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