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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Nolan.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Andrew Treyforce Howard. Most importantly, you are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the best times of the week

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Speaker 3: for us. It's our favorite evening where we get to

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Speaker 3: hear from the best part of the show, you, specifically you,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist. Now we're going to look at three

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Speaker 3: Mile Island. We're going to talk about gardening and adderall

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Speaker 3: and how the dead live on within us. But before

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Speaker 3: we do that, a lot of folks have been asking us,

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Speaker 3: you guys about recent calamities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've experienced several personally, and I don't know, have

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Speaker 2: you guys noticed there are people out here, maybe listening

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Speaker 2: and that feels really nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely nice to be checked in on. Heard

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Speaker 4: from a couple of folks on Instagram. Been getting emails

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Speaker 4: about it, all three of us, and we hear you,

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Speaker 4: and we appreciate your concern, and it was well placed concern,

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Speaker 4: as it turns out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we're going to pause for a second

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Speaker 3: As you may have heard, Hurricane Helene walloped the absolute

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Speaker 2: Yeah, knocks the boiled peanuts right out of our.

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Speaker 3: Hands, right, And a lot of people in the affected

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, again, shout out in our hearts,

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Speaker 4: And many folks in Ashville are still underwater, without power,

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Speaker 4: without potable water. People are using like water out of

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Speaker 4: you when you see the reporting on this kind of

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Speaker 4: of God. And we were very lucky here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: I know about you guys, but I just got some

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Speaker 4: in Atlanta, it wasn't so bad. But the Augusta, Georgia area,

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Speaker 4: I had been renting this home to a dear family friend.

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Speaker 4: My mom was a singer, an opera singer, and taught

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Speaker 4: And there's just so many trees down in the Augusta area.

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Speaker 2: Feeling relatively untouched up here. Most of my neighbors and

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Speaker 2: This storm killed well over one hundred people. I think

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Speaker 4: You know, fallout from lack of resources, you know, lack

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Speaker 3: And then to add to that, there was a massive

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Speaker 3: Biolap which is notoriously slap dash in their infrastructure. As

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Speaker 4: And you know, we all initially saw the story. I

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Speaker 4: All walked outside to a weird mist like haze, and Matt,

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Speaker 2: So my son's school sent out a big notice that

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Speaker 2: And if you look out, yep, you get that haze

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Speaker 5: This is Spidey sense.

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Speaker 3: And again we are saying this to keep everyone informed,

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Speaker 3: and we are immensely grateful for everybody who checked in.

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Speaker 3: Our primary point here is that there are other people

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Speaker 3: do also consider if you have the means and inclination

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It doesn't have to be

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Speaker 4: And I'm really lucky that I have really dear friends

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Speaker 4: and it's not safe to go in the house. Power

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Speaker 5: But back to the chlorine thing. I just wanted to

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Speaker 4: We all three got I think the same public safety

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Speaker 4: Area Emergency Local Area Emergency due to Rockdale County biolab fire.

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Speaker 4: The EPA is monitoring air quality for chlorine and related compounds.

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Speaker 4: Chemical levels are unlikely to cause harm to most people.

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Speaker 3: Right, and make sure make sure to check that out, folks,

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Speaker 4: things like this is not addictive or it's totally fine.

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Speaker 4: It's like we've we've learned through patterns of this kind

440
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Speaker 4: of stuff that that's not always to be taken at

441
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Speaker 4: face value, not to be all like, don't trust big pharma.

442
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 4: Maybe now now maybe to be don't trust big pharma guys,

443
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: because a lot of these these these studies are very

444
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Speaker 4: self serving.

445
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Speaker 5: The data can be manipulated in numerous ways. Yeah.

446
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, there are very real and also fictional scenarios that

447
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: end up in TV shows and movies where it's concepts

448
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Speaker 2: of how is a company that's publicly traded, let's say,

449
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: massive organization, how are they able to get narcotics in right,

450
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Speaker 2: like the poppies that create heroin, to then create a

451
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Speaker 2: drug that they can sell above board to patients rather

452
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Speaker 2: than you know, to a user and.

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Speaker 5: To children in this case you're selling it to their parents.

454
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Speaker 5: But let's be honest.

455
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Speaker 4: I mean, there was an absolute just rash of like

456
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Speaker 4: Willy Nilly some prescriptions of Adderall.

457
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Speaker 5: And Middland children in those days. It was everywhere. It

458
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 5: was just like it was the thing you did, you know, to.

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Speaker 3: The question about opiates, you could also ask the same

460
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Speaker 3: thing about coca cocaine, like the remember the time we

461
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Speaker 3: almost got kicked out a podcast movement or something because

462
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Speaker 3: I was yelling name me one coca field right in

463
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Speaker 3: the United States. We know that there is a supply chain.

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Speaker 3: Look at the way it works. What you're outlining there,

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Speaker 3: Matt reminds me quite a bit, to a disturbing degree

466
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Speaker 3: of the old Catch twenty two with resurrection men in

467
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom back in the day. Right, it's illegal

468
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: to get the body, but it is legal to use

469
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Speaker 3: a body if you happen upon it. So it is

470
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Speaker 3: illegal to It is illegal to propagate opium and other

471
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Speaker 3: dangerous substances unless you get the right loopholes in place.

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Speaker 3: And this does arguably, I think science will support this.

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Speaker 3: This does arguably endanger people, especially when we're considering, like

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Speaker 3: you know, talking earlier about the idea of opioids going

475
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Speaker 3: through parts of the US like a natural disaster. It

476
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: absolutely waxed a huge portion of the Midwest and the Appalachians.

477
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and amphetamines the same.

478
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Speaker 3: Right, hillbilly heroin amphetamines. The reason you can't buy certain

479
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: truck or speed or certain cold relief things in bulk.

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Speaker 3: There is a problem that could be addressed, and for

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Speaker 3: some reason, who are we to say what that reason

482
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Speaker 3: may be. For some reason, the people who could prevent

483
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Speaker 3: this have chosen not to do so.

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Speaker 4: Not only chosen not to do so, chosen to capitalize

485
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Speaker 4: on it. To Matt's point, I mean, it's it does

486
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Speaker 4: feel like and We've talked about this in Big Pharmat

487
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Speaker 4: episodes and it's not even a particularly hot take, but

488
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Speaker 4: it does feel like a legalized drug cartel distribution network.

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Speaker 2: You can't be a pusher if you don't have users,

490
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Speaker 2: and you got to foster those users and make sure

491
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Speaker 2: they're hooked and need more of your product. And that

492
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what that product is. Got

493
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Speaker 2: to have people hooked. And to that note, And if

494
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Speaker 2: you're uncomfortable this, and we will just tell me, I'm

495
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: genuinely asking. I want to know how did you get

496
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Speaker 2: out of that world, that situation you were in where

497
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Speaker 2: you had friends that were going through stuff that our

498
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Speaker 2: anonymous writer was writing to us about. What was there something?

499
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Speaker 2: So I know, how did you escape that? Because I

500
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Speaker 2: didn't go through that when I was younger, I say.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a good question, and I mean, I'll

502
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Speaker 4: be completely honest.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was.

504
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Speaker 4: I was swept up in that to a degree. I mean,

505
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to be real, and I did escape

506
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: it through a lot of things. I mean, ultimately I

507
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: got out of that town. My life changed in many

508
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Speaker 4: ways and I changed along with it.

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Speaker 5: And but a lot of people.

510
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Speaker 4: Just get stuck in these small towns and that's like

511
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Speaker 4: all there is to do, and it's just an easy

512
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Speaker 4: escape from malaise of life and just from like the

513
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Speaker 4: boredom of living in a small town. And that's why

514
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Speaker 4: the towns you're talking about, Ben in the Midwest were

515
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Speaker 4: so horribly affected because it's just I don't know, I

516
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Speaker 4: don't want to sound reductive, but there's just not much

517
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Speaker 4: going on.

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Speaker 3: And well that's the old the old troope, right, or

519
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: the old truism that many of us have heard. Stuck

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Speaker 3: in a small town. You have church, you have fans,

521
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: or you have vices, right, and those can be self

522
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Speaker 3: limiting factors.

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Speaker 4: And the saddest thing too is, guys, a lot of

524
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Speaker 4: these people that I know from those days, they didn't

525
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Speaker 4: die then, they died many years later because of continued

526
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Speaker 4: involvement with that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Because of the evolution of addiction.

528
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Speaker 4: You know, oxycoton went away, so a lot of these

529
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Speaker 4: people replace that with another vice. A lot of these

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Speaker 4: people would do anything they could to get their hands on,

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Speaker 4: you know, other prescription pharmaceuticals or like I said, many

532
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Speaker 4: people pivot to heroin. So an epidemic like this, like

533
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Speaker 4: the death toll isn't immediately visible because this stuff follows

534
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Speaker 4: people around. Our listener here is talking about being on

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Speaker 4: their deathbed many many years later, after being incarcerated, you know,

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Speaker 4: after being to multiple types of rehab facilities. This is

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Speaker 4: a person coming to us at the end of their life,

538
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Speaker 4: and they're not going to die from an overdose. They're

539
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Speaker 4: they're likely going to pass away due to a resulting

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Speaker 4: factor of I presume intervenous drug use. And this is

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Speaker 4: many many years removed, of course, many decades removed from

542
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Speaker 4: the adderall, you know, but like many many years removed

543
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Speaker 4: from the initial like addiction to the opioids, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it's a lot of the people that I know,

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Speaker 4: some people that I know just died a handful of

546
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Speaker 4: years ago, and I found out about it, that they overdosed,

547
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: that they just were so malnourished and living horrible lives

548
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Speaker 4: in terms of taking care of themselves.

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Speaker 5: It's it's real, y'all. It's it's real.

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: It is, it is real. There are you could say,

551
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: conspiracies of foot beyond that. We do know that right

552
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: now there are people whose lives can be saved.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting I heard recently on the radio that there

555
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Speaker 4: is a bill at play or there's some something to

556
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Speaker 4: do with public health where they are now. I don't

557
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Speaker 4: know if it's past or whatever it is, but I

558
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Speaker 4: think it's a good suggestion, the idea that if opioids

559
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Speaker 4: are ever prescribed, then they also prescribed nar can like

560
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Speaker 4: at the same time, so that you have that around,

561
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Speaker 4: because a lot of this stuff is from kids taking

562
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Speaker 4: their parents' medication and using it recreationally.

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Speaker 5: So to be in that situation and.

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Speaker 4: Then not have that life saving drug around, that's where

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Speaker 4: the death comes from. I mean, again, I don't know

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Speaker 4: the statistics of how what effect that might have, but

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Speaker 4: it does seem like a pretty good idea to me.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, thank you, and we do hope you're still

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Speaker 5: with us.

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Speaker 4: I know this was a bit of a downer one,

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Speaker 4: but I think it's an important thing to talk about,

572
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Speaker 4: and thank you guys for your perspectives on this as well.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick break and hear from our sponsor,

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Speaker 4: and then we'll come back with one more piece of.

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Speaker 5: Listener noun.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned and we are going to jump to

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Speaker 2: the phone lines and hear a message from Silver.

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Speaker 7: Hey guys, Silver, you can use this message in my

579
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Speaker 7: name if you would like to.

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Speaker 8: Just kind of a forty hour has water or tests.

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Speaker 8: While I was in there, I saw an article about

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Speaker 8: the restart of Three Mile Island, the giant nuclear plants

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Speaker 8: that will have been cause some issues in Pennsylvania so

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Speaker 8: many years ago. But I saw that they're going to

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Speaker 8: restart one of the reactors, which is like thirty three

586
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Speaker 8: hundred megawatts, and the sole purpose is the Constellation Energy

587
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Speaker 8: is making a deal so that Microsoft can buy all

588
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Speaker 8: the energy that that nuclear power plant produces to power

589
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Speaker 8: their AI servers. Just an interesting article. I thought it

590
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Speaker 8: might be something you guys might want to look into.

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Speaker 8: If they were to react this facility, it would be

592
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Speaker 8: the first one ever that's the Nuclear Regulatory Committee approved

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Speaker 8: for coming out of off fall status. It's like a

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Speaker 8: one point six billion dollar project at Microsoft, and I

595
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Speaker 8: think Amazon zump in on it too, So they're they're

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Speaker 8: looking to produce power again in like twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 7: Which is not that far away to get. Obviously they're

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Speaker 7: not going to do the one that blew up, but

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Speaker 7: the other reactor's still good next to it.

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Speaker 8: That would be pretty interesting. And it's all just for

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Speaker 8: powering the AI.

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Speaker 7: Servers and things like that.

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Speaker 8: All right, well the show always listening to you, guys,

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Speaker 8: so I'm going.

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Speaker 4: Tight tie fascinating, right, We've been talking about the big

607
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Speaker 4: brain on the grid from all this stuff. So there's

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Speaker 4: part of me that's like, this isn't an awful idea.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, Thank you Silver exactly. Silver, You're awesome. Thank

611
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Speaker 2: you so much for sending this our way.

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Speaker 5: Uh so fascinating on so many levels.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, guys, I saw a little blip about

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Speaker 2: this passed through and I wanted to talk about it

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Speaker 2: for Strange News, but I was like, I don't know,

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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: there's other stuff we got to talk about first, and Silver,

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00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: you came in with the wind. So Silver, okay. So

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Speaker 2: first thing we have to get through here is that

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Speaker 2: Unit two bad, Unit one good plus. So Unit two

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Speaker 2: is the reactor there at the three Mile Island facility

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Speaker 2: in Middletown or Middleton maybe Pennsylvania. That occurred on March

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth, nineteen seventy nine. That's when it was a

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Speaker 2: partial meltdown, and it was very, very serious. It's the

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Speaker 2: most serious accident in US commercial nuclear power plant operating history.

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Speaker 3: Hey, partial though only a little gin up, guys, got's

626
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Speaker 3: just a little meltdown, the whole meltdown.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, let's just credit where credit is due.

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Speaker 4: Maybe is the wrong expression, but it wasn't like Chernobyl level.

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Speaker 4: It was not like a an absolute fallout apocalyptic you know,

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Speaker 4: drifting nuclear material situation.

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Speaker 5: They contained it relatively.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, yeah, but unit too bad.

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Speaker 5: You know one Still it's still pertly good. It's still good.

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Speaker 3: It's still good double plus.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So when I when I saw this headline, Matt, I

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Speaker 5: thought they were.

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Speaker 4: Just like using the the facility, like repurposing it to

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Speaker 4: make chips. I did not at all realize they were

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Speaker 4: talking about relaunching a reactor. And like, this is also unprecedent,

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Speaker 4: because have you ever heard of a private company having

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Speaker 4: their own nuclear reactor?

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Speaker 5: I mean, who do.

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Speaker 3: You think builds them?

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Speaker 5: Westinghouse?

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Speaker 4: You know, but I'm talking about like these are giant

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Speaker 4: energy companies. I don't know of any like manufacturing facility

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Speaker 4: that has an on site nuke reactor.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're on the forefront.

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Speaker 5: Of this file.

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Speaker 2: It's happening now, and it's a bunch of companies that

653
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Speaker 2: have massive data centers that are going to run their

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Speaker 2: AI applications, whatever those are going to be. It is

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Speaker 2: happening across the board right now.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about a second one, but let's stay

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Speaker 2: on just the tip, the news tip that Silver gave

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Speaker 2: us there after.

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Speaker 3: The test tip.

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Speaker 5: Just theoling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're jumping to a CNBC article from September

663
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Speaker 2: twentieth titled Constellation Energy to restart a three Mile Island

664
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Speaker 2: nuclear plant, sell the power to Microsoft for AI. Now

665
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Speaker 2: it expects, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and several

666
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Speaker 2: other journalists they have got access to what's going on

667
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Speaker 2: over there, it is a deal between Constellation Energy and

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Speaker 2: Microsoft primarily, and the company, Constellation Energy, expects Unit one

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Speaker 2: reactor to be ready twenty twenty eight, just like Silver said,

670
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Speaker 2: subject to approval, of course, by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission

671
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Speaker 2: sure sure.

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Speaker 3: And Constellation Energy owns three Mile.

673
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Speaker 2: Yes, correct, correct, And they had to shutter it in

674
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen because it couldn't keep up with cheap natural

675
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Speaker 2: gas all the energy that was being produced around the

676
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Speaker 2: United States, and they're like, gosh, we can't, we can't

677
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Speaker 2: make energy at that at that price point. So I

678
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Speaker 2: guess we got to shut this thing down. And Microsoft said,

679
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Speaker 2: hold on one second.

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Speaker 3: Microsoft said, deer.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if it does get approved by

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Speaker 2: the NRC and begins operations in twenty twenty eight, they

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Speaker 2: plan to have a contract to run it until twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty four. I think you.

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Speaker 3: Have to you have to bake that kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: in for the deal to work.

688
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Speaker 4: M and long term leases on commercial property, you know,

689
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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yes, bit, yeah, yes, And again we're talking this in

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Speaker 2: mid September this month. We were at the end of

692
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Speaker 2: the month as we're recording this on the thirtieth. But

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Speaker 2: when this announcement came through, Constellation Energy stock jumped twenty

694
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Speaker 2: two percent in the positive. So people are into it.

695
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: They're saying, I got a customer. It's a built in customer.

696
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Speaker 2: It's going to pay for all of the power for

697
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Speaker 2: a long place. There's a place for it to go.

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Speaker 3: Well S, Constellation is already a pretty big energy company. Oh,

699
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Speaker 3: you have interest in natural gas, and they know the

700
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Speaker 3: old jazz. They just want to get this nuclear jaloppy

701
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Speaker 3: up and running.

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Speaker 5: That's the question that Matt.

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Speaker 4: I mean, since you said they shut it down because

704
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Speaker 4: it wasn't efficient enough for actual contribution to the grid.

705
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Speaker 4: Let's just say, for like, you know, constellations purposes of

706
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Speaker 4: actually providing energy to its customers. Is this an interesting

707
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Speaker 4: and reasonable use of it because it will also take

708
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Speaker 4: some strain off of the grid from all this AI nonsense.

709
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, think about it. If you could make spoke

710
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Speaker 2: nuke plants for all of these companies trying to get

711
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Speaker 2: their AI stuff off the ground.

712
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Speaker 4: There are new small, quote unquote modular nuke reactors that

713
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Speaker 4: are starting to be rolled out.

714
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Speaker 2: And think about the government's interest. You guys are spinning.

715
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: You need some stuff to get spun up. Hey, yeah,

716
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: for if you're a reactor, we can use some of that.

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Speaker 3: Guys. This is just for our artificial intelligence.

718
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 5: I'm making those memes.

720
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Speaker 8: You know.

721
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Speaker 5: This is literally for meme generation.

722
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Speaker 3: It does answer, it does answer one of the great

723
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Speaker 3: dilemmas which is on the horizon, which is how do

724
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Speaker 3: we power these very thirsty machines, right, And the cleanest answer,

725
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: obviously is going to be something like solar power, something

726
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: like hydroelectric or geotherbal power. However, nuclear power is super

727
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: tasty because all you need is well, you need a

728
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: lot of yeah, but it is still cleaner than being

729
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: dependent upon fossil fuels. That is, that is the great

730
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: Achilles heel, right, just like the Achilles heel of so

731
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: many podcasts is advertising. So if in that terrible example,

732
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: the idea of powering, we saw this again with things

733
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: like bitcoin mining, right, also very thirsty, very energy intensive.

734
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Speaker 3: If you cannot create an easy solar power, hydroelectric or

735
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Speaker 3: geothermal source, then nuclear energy is still theoretically way more

736
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: bang for your buck. And I don't know if everybody

737
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Speaker 3: is aware of just like the nuts and bolts of

738
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Speaker 3: nuclear energy, it's making water steam and then turn turbine.

739
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Speaker 3: I feel like people are afraid of the word until

740
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Speaker 3: they know what it is.

741
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Speaker 5: Well, they should be afraid of the word. Be the waste.

742
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Speaker 5: That's this part of the problem, the equation that we

743
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 5: haven't solved yet.

744
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: They didn't bury it in the desert, Like there's no

745
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 4: good way of dealing with nuclear waste.

746
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Speaker 2: And if you're still using rods, they can still burn

747
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: their way right through whatever it is you put below them.

748
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Speaker 4: It does just what a meltdown is, yeah, right, it's

749
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: when it melts.

750
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Speaker 5: Down into the damn Earth.

751
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm so excited about our future episode on

752
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: how to warn other generations about nuclear waste.

753
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm excited about the next party we go to together.

754
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna have so much new material.

755
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Speaker 2: Guys, nuclear material and so. Ben, when you were talking

756
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Speaker 2: about how do we feed these thirsty machines, I really

757
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: thought you were going to say, build a simulation of

758
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: the year nineteen ninety nine in New York City, then

759
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: build pods for human beings to grow up inside and

760
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: fill those with some kind of goo, and then make

761
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Speaker 2: sure all of those humans are batteries connected to your system.

762
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Speaker 5: Wait, is this the plot of the movie that mate?

763
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Speaker 3: Hey, spoilers come on. That's Matt's favorite film.

764
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Speaker 2: It really is. So it's gonna cost one point six

765
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Speaker 2: billion dollars just to get this reactor up and started

766
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Speaker 2: and working again by twenty twenty eight.

767
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Speaker 4: So yeah, they shut it down, But like, does that

768
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Speaker 4: mean it's it's just it's falling into disrepair. They got

769
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Speaker 4: to like do some referb to it or what.

770
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Speaker 3: Very expensive to maintain? I mean just the it's not

771
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Speaker 3: like this is the equivalent of not just finding a

772
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Speaker 3: rusted out car that you know could be good. This

773
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: is the equivalent of finding the rusted out hulk of

774
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Speaker 3: a car or the chassis of a car and then say, eh,

775
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: let me look at the engine.

776
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Speaker 5: When was it taken offline?

777
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Speaker 2: Again, Matt, twenty nineteen.

778
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Speaker 4: But that's that's not that long ago that I don't

779
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 4: understand this billions situation.

780
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Speaker 2: Well there, Look, they they want a brand new nuclear power.

781
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Speaker 5: They're gonna do it up.

782
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Speaker 2: It's whether you want. Because Unit two so bad. Unit

783
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Speaker 2: one has to be real, real good. Does that make sense?

784
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: Right?

785
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, But they're not going to build a new reactor.

786
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: It takes I mean, we talked about this.

787
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: It's still more expensive to build a new reaction. Oh yeah,

788
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 3: was the crazy.

789
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 5: Thing, that's right.

790
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: We talked about like how long you know, so a

791
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 4: southern company here in Georgia has been trying to finish

792
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 4: an additional reactor at Plant Vogel for like ten years

793
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: and it just got finished and so over budget and

794
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: absolutely a nightmare is the regulatory process.

795
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Speaker 5: It's a big deal.

796
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Speaker 2: And here's a little stat from that CNBC article. Guys,

797
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Speaker 2: just to keep us going down this track, they're investing

798
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Speaker 2: all this money. Right, The stock for Constellation Energy went

799
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Speaker 2: way up. Goldman sacks.

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Speaker 4: You know them, you know them, I love them, you

801
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: have feelings about them.

802
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Speaker 2: I'd say that in my head every time now every time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Ben, It's good. Data centers consume

804
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Speaker 2: an estimated three percent of all US electricity demand this

805
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: year as we're recording this, and Goldman Sachs says that

806
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Speaker 2: number is going to be closer to about eight percent,

807
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Speaker 2: if not exceeding eight percent, by twenty thirty. And this

808
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: thing comes online theoretically in twenty twenty eight, so it

809
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: could be a huge, huge difference in the strain on

810
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: the energy grid. As you guys were saying. But here's

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing CNBC article. I'm going to continue on

812
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Speaker 2: with you. Let's shout out Spencer Kimball you're the author

813
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Speaker 2: of this, because I'm reading some of your words verbatim here.

814
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Speaker 2: In March, Amazon Web Services bought a data center campus

815
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Speaker 2: from Talent Energy that's going to be powered by the

816
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Speaker 2: Susquehanna Susquehanna Nuclear Plant, which is also in Pennsylvania. It's

817
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Speaker 2: apparently a first of its kind deal. Oracle, another company

818
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Speaker 2: that's doing this very thing, said it's designing a new

819
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Speaker 2: data center that's going to be powered by three separate

820
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Speaker 2: small nuclear reactors. And there's another one, guys. The Palisades

821
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Speaker 2: Nuclear Reactor in Michigan is going to be returning to

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Speaker 2: service in twenty twenty five, and if this one is

823
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: going to have multiple users, but again, data centers are

824
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: going to be one of the primary things that it

825
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: is fueling with that rod technology house hot rods. It's weird, guys, cool, weird, scary, awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's up to future historians perhaps, and it's definitely up

827
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Speaker 3: to current nuclear technicians to make sure we don't have

828
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Speaker 3: another unit one yeah, ever, or god forbid another chernobyl.

829
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Speaker 2: We've been talking about how paranoid the US government is,

830
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Speaker 2: specifically about Chinese made vehicle components, software, and hardware, right

831
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: we're talking about just you know, there's so much paranoia

832
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: about the vulnerability of specifically water, electrical, and other utility services.

833
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: Bringing a bunch of more nuclear rods into the situation

834
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Speaker 2: just feels, I don't know, it feels scared. But maybe

835
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Speaker 2: it just feels that way because we've seen some dangerous

836
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: things happen, and generally humans or at least aware of

837
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Speaker 2: previous mistakes.

838
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Speaker 3: It reminds me of the the concord jet controversy, right,

839
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: like remember when? Remember when? Yeah, yes, yeah, there was

840
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: once upon a time commercial jet capability. It no longer

841
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 3: exists because when this newer technology was rolled out in

842
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: this manner, it only took one bad thing to sink it. Right.

843
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: Think about how many commercial planes have a lot of

844
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: whoopsie daisies right now, shout out Boeing, and they are

845
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Speaker 3: embedded in current infrastructure. So the question with nuclear capability

846
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: is can you keep things jugged lean along until you

847
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: reach a moment when they are normalized? Right? What happens when?

848
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: How do you reach that threshold? Oh, we love this phrase?

849
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: How do you reach that inflection point? There we go

850
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Speaker 3: where where it's weird to have a coal plant and

851
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: it's normal to have a nuclear plant. The thing is

852
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: he can't make a nuclear weapon with coal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's true, guys. Quick correction. In the case of Palisades,

854
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Speaker 2: the other nuclear reactor there in Michigan, data centers are

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Speaker 2: not going to be one of the primary things. And

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Speaker 2: I know this because Spencer wrote another article that I

857
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Speaker 2: just found titled Michigan Nuclear Plant finalizes federal loan to

858
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Speaker 2: support first reactor restart in US history. And he states

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Speaker 2: here in the case of Palisades, that's the other reactor.

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Speaker 2: The power is spoken for by Wolverine Power Cooperative or

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Speaker 2: a co op, a nonprofit that provides electricity to rural

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Speaker 2: communities in Michigan. So not data centers for now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's like when you hear a charity say

864
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Speaker 3: it gives a portion of the proceeds, like how much

865
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Speaker 3: of how much of that energy generated out of the

866
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Speaker 3: pie slices? How much of that is going to rural

867
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Speaker 3: michiganers in need?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, great if true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but also like it does become the question of,

870
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Speaker 4: like how do you feel about nuclear power in general?

871
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Speaker 4: You know, because they still haven't licked the waste problem.

872
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Speaker 4: There's literally a repository outside of Las Vegas, like Yucca Mountain.

873
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Speaker 4: It's just like a bunch of this stuff buried in

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Speaker 4: the desert. I'm not joking, and maybe everybody already knows that,

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Speaker 4: but it's a thing like there's it doesn't go away,

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Speaker 4: and it's very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I would say, never lick the waste problem. It's a

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Speaker 2: waste problem. Don't lick it.

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Speaker 5: Ben earlier said that nuclear energy was tasty.

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Speaker 3: It's not what he meant. That's what I meant. There

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Speaker 3: are there are species that are Okay, look, this is

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Speaker 3: a little sci fi fish. It is possible to create

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Speaker 3: as long as these pesky ethics get out of our way.

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Speaker 3: It is possible to create certain forms of life that

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Speaker 3: could indeed feed off things considered unusable waste. We already

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Speaker 3: see it with extremophiles, right.

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Speaker 4: Like the glowing ghules in the Fallout.

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Speaker 3: Just so hopefully a smaller life form with fewer hit points.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be sick?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 4: If there was some kind of like the way there's

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Speaker 4: certain microbes and things that can like eat.

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Speaker 5: Oil, like in oil spills.

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Speaker 4: Like if they created something like hybridized or whatever, a

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Speaker 4: thing that could actually feed on and digest nuclear waste

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Speaker 4: and then poop it out in some sort of non

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Speaker 4: nuclear form.

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Speaker 3: I shout out this silver, This is great, great stuff. Seriously, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're all pointing at you on the screen.

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