Speaker 1: Oh, how.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 3: You guys.
Speaker 1: Wish you fucking sounded like me when you see. I'm
Speaker 1: in such a great mood today, you guys. I am
Speaker 1: blonde as a motherfucker. You guys, She's blonde, blonde, blonde baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wait, are you also freshly chopped? Yeah, she's blonde, blonde
Speaker 5: and freshly chopped hair. I can't wait till she makes
Speaker 5: a post or something because I'm excited for you guys
Speaker 5: to see it. Best blonde I've ever seen, and I
Speaker 5: know it's not kissing her ass. She walked in and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I have to take a picture
Speaker 5: of that for my own head.
Speaker 1: Please kiss my ass because I need it today. And
Speaker 1: I do want to do a good post because I've
Speaker 1: been off of social media for a while. I think
Speaker 1: you guys can guess why. I'm just kind of like
Speaker 1: crawled into a hole, which I enjoy my whole sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, just get grounded, get back to the roots.
Speaker 1: And today we have an incredible female on the podcast Badass.
Speaker 1: Did we say her name wrong?
Speaker 5: Okay, so she's so sweet because we never got corrected.
Speaker 4: Her name is spelled A Nne.
Speaker 5: You guys already know by the title it's Anne Winters,
Speaker 5: but it's pronounced Annie.
Speaker 1: Okay, but can I tell you because I've known who
Speaker 1: she is for a really really long time and I've
Speaker 1: always called her that and now I'm mortified.
Speaker 3: But always.
Speaker 5: But Stacy, our producer, did say she's heard other interviewers
Speaker 5: call her Anne because it's spelled Anne, and Annie said
Speaker 5: at the end, she goes, I go, I go by Annie,
Speaker 5: so everyone thinks it's spelled ann i e.
Speaker 4: So it's Annie. We say Anne.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like with Rihanna. She says her name Rihanna, yes.
Speaker 4: And Arianna Grande.
Speaker 5: I think people say Arianna, but when she says it,
Speaker 5: she says Arianna.
Speaker 4: I think, or maybe it's the other way around. It's
Speaker 4: one of them.
Speaker 1: Katie calls Ariana Maddix Arianna, and I've asked Arianna, do
Speaker 1: you say it that way? And she's like either. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: your parents gave you one name, so what is it?
Speaker 1: Because I'm not walking around here being like Lauren, Laurien whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's Lauren. That's what my parents named me.
Speaker 1: Like Ariana, what did your parents name you?
Speaker 4: It's Ariana And I don't know if that's right.
Speaker 5: But I only say that because that's what I call her,
Speaker 5: and I would feel bad if that's what it wasn't I.
Speaker 1: Just love her that she was like either, I'm like there, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: someone will call your mama. I need to ask you
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 5: Oh did we even mention that we're in a new space?
Speaker 1: Oh? That's where I was headed with us. You guys,
Speaker 1: please stick with me through this episode. We are officially
Speaker 1: moved into Oh we've got a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: but we're moved into the new office space. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of walls that I need to like cover
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't sound like this all the time.
Speaker 1: We're a little echoey. Please stick with me through this
Speaker 1: episode because I promise it'll be remedied by the next episode.
Speaker 4: Right, but we are in a new space and it's
Speaker 4: very exciting.
Speaker 1: But those ads won't wait, motherfuckers. Those ads need to
Speaker 1: be right. Anyway, We'll do a quick break and we
Speaker 1: will be right back with Annie Winters. All right, my loves,
Speaker 1: we are back, and I have to say I am
Speaker 1: very impressed with the resume that my guest has at
Speaker 1: the age of twenty eight.
Speaker 3: I have Anne Winters. Hello, my loves. Hello, thank you
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 1: Of course, I have to say, I know who you are.
Speaker 1: I've looked you up. I'm really shocked at like what
Speaker 1: you've accomplished in your little lifetime, Like do you even
Speaker 1: realize what you've done?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean when I'm working a ton and flying back
Speaker 2: and forth and working like twenty four seven, it feels
Speaker 2: like I'm doing a lot. But times like I have
Speaker 2: right now where I'm kind of in a in between space,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I haven't done anything like this past week,
Speaker 2: so it feels like I'm not doing anything. But yes,
Speaker 2: when I look at the overall trajectory of the career,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, good job. But I'm always like, when's
Speaker 2: the next thing? Like I want to be said, I
Speaker 2: want to be working.
Speaker 3: I totally get that.
Speaker 1: In fact, most of the people who I've come in
Speaker 1: contact with who are very successful, they tend to like
Speaker 1: they're proud of their accomplishments, but they're like, that happened,
Speaker 1: it's over, it's done.
Speaker 3: What's next? Exactly one hundred percent?
Speaker 2: So the minute, Like, honestly, this is the longest time
Speaker 2: I've gone in the ten eleven years that i've been
Speaker 2: here about being on set or booking another thing, and
Speaker 2: I think COVID.
Speaker 3: Has a lot to do with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't been back in the room since
Speaker 2: they don't do anything in person anymore, which is honestly
Speaker 2: the only kind of way that I really, you know,
Speaker 2: book things. I don't like self tapes. I like being
Speaker 2: having an energy and that's usually how I wove people.
Speaker 3: Right tape and being so kind of far away and disconnected.
Speaker 2: It's been pretty challenging this past year after I wrapped
Speaker 2: the Orville.
Speaker 1: So you prefer being in the room rather than sending
Speaker 1: in a tape?
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Right, Does in per even exists anymore?
Speaker 3: Oh, That's what I'm saying. Like, since I wrapped the.
Speaker 2: Last show that I was on, Wow, there has not
Speaker 2: been one in person audition that I've had anywhere, you know.
Speaker 2: I think that's why a lot of my friends and
Speaker 2: a lot of people that I know moved really back
Speaker 2: home or anywhere, because you can tape from anywhere, and
Speaker 2: if you need to fly out then you can totally.
Speaker 1: I don't audition much anymore, but I moved to LA
Speaker 1: to be an actress, and I remember, like, you got
Speaker 1: to put me in a room, because that's how I like,
Speaker 1: I woo them, I create the you know.
Speaker 2: Mine, that's how like me I feel like as actors
Speaker 2: are just entertainers in general. It's kind of a performance
Speaker 2: like you need to see the in person reaction.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I'll get.
Speaker 2: It if I get to like a zoom meeting, so
Speaker 2: I'll have like, you know, ten people on a zoom
Speaker 2: and but the weird thing about that is everyone is
Speaker 2: kind of on mute and you can't face thiss, so
Speaker 2: all you're looking at is yourself acting, which also is weird.
Speaker 4: Oh that makes me think of a good question. Do
Speaker 4: you watch yourself?
Speaker 5: I know Lala mentioned a couple of minutes ago a
Speaker 5: lot of her friends and actors will do their project,
Speaker 5: move on to the next.
Speaker 4: Do you watch yourself?
Speaker 2: I'll watch it like once, when it's finally done, I
Speaker 2: won't be you know, there's a lot of actors that
Speaker 2: like to see the replay or like see which take
Speaker 2: they like the best, and that kind of thing. I
Speaker 2: trust whatever it looks like. But yeah, when the final
Speaker 2: product comes out, I of course I love watching it,
Speaker 2: especially when I feel really good about it.
Speaker 3: And there's you know times.
Speaker 2: Where I'm like oh yeah, that turned out pretty well.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, oh, I could have done that
Speaker 2: differently whatever, But yeah, moving on, moving on, But watch
Speaker 2: myself in action, Like there's a difference between watching yourself
Speaker 2: on a zoom meeting at a producer's call, like at
Speaker 2: the scene, which, like you know, an audition is already
Speaker 2: weird anyway. I mean, you're sitting against a background, you're
Speaker 2: talking to someone, nothing's really real. When you have an
Speaker 2: action seeing you have to pretend that you're doing all
Speaker 2: this shit and it's looks ridiculous. So yeah, like I
Speaker 2: feel like an idiot when I'm looking at myself dogs,
Speaker 2: But when I see it all come together and they
Speaker 2: make it, you know, the movie Magic, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Like watching it.
Speaker 1: You know What's so funny that I always think about this,
Speaker 1: Like in high school, even you know, junior high the
Speaker 1: theater kids, which I was a theater kid, are always
Speaker 1: looked at as like the geeks, you know, and then
Speaker 1: but then everyone is looking up to the actors, you know,
Speaker 1: who have like made it. It's always just so interesting
Speaker 1: to me. Were you a theater geek? Like, were you
Speaker 1: in not a geek? But you know that's what they
Speaker 1: called us. I remember No.
Speaker 2: I honestly it's funny that you say that because at
Speaker 2: my first school in middle school, I did a bunch
Speaker 2: of theater and then the minute I went in eighth
Speaker 2: grade to a different high school and I met all
Speaker 2: the theater kids, I was like, yeah, no, I can't
Speaker 2: be brought.
Speaker 3: Into this geek world here. No, absolutely not. I'll do cheerleading,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: Totally look at you now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also theater is a lot different.
Speaker 2: I mean it's I get really like I always forgot
Speaker 2: a line on stage. I got so nervous, and you
Speaker 2: only have one time to do it, and there's like
Speaker 2: sort of a comfortability knowing that a camera is going
Speaker 2: to be really close on your face to be able
Speaker 2: to capture all the expressions that you have that you.
Speaker 3: Don't really have on stage. That always just kind of
Speaker 3: made me nervous.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, totally, especially with that h D. Now I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 1: you're a little close.
Speaker 5: And speaking of that, I mean, I don't even think
Speaker 5: we mentioned it, but you are obviously currently on the
Speaker 5: Orville New Horizons on Hulu. I know that you work
Speaker 5: alongside Seth MacFarlane.
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, I'm geeking out right now because
Speaker 1: like Family Guy is my jam. It's been my jam
Speaker 1: since I was like since season one of the show,
Speaker 1: which I was young, Like what is it like to
Speaker 1: work with him?
Speaker 2: I mean, he definitely is a genius, and it's just
Speaker 2: funny because you're intimidated by him, and then when you
Speaker 2: meet him you realize he's actually like a genius, but
Speaker 2: he's really shy. He's a high human being, and he
Speaker 2: puts on these big events. He has these big parties
Speaker 2: he has. I feel like he's kind of the Great
Speaker 2: Gatsby in a way, like big grand things, and he's
Speaker 2: so good and he's so good at entertaining. And then
Speaker 2: when you meet him in person or like anything personal,
Speaker 2: he's like I see this, you know little kid that
Speaker 2: like wanted to do Family Guy and do this thing
Speaker 2: and he made a stream come true.
Speaker 3: But the person inside is like this, you know this
Speaker 3: kind of shyer person that.
Speaker 2: I I mean, no one else may may know that,
Speaker 2: but when you get to know him, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's kind of accurate.
Speaker 1: I love that you called him that he's like the
Speaker 1: Great Gatsby, Like that's the vibe, and I have to know, like,
Speaker 1: obviously you're a talented actress, So your range is all
Speaker 1: across the board. You can do whatever. But was Thirteen
Speaker 1: Reasons Why one of your like your big would you
Speaker 1: call it your big break?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent?
Speaker 2: I mean my followers and just like even the recognition
Speaker 2: went from like I think I had twenty k followers
Speaker 2: and then I went to like in like a week.
Speaker 3: Wow, crazy how much a show can have an impact.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's also crazy
Speaker 2: how much social media is so much different than like
Speaker 2: what I attest to be my best work or like
Speaker 2: something that's being recognized because it was just such a
Speaker 2: big show and out in the public. You know, I
Speaker 2: did some great work on that show, but I that
Speaker 2: wouldn't be my necessarily like my favorite role or my
Speaker 2: favorite you know, acting stuff that I would want to
Speaker 2: show everybody.
Speaker 1: That show was intense. It was like it pulled out
Speaker 1: people's hearts. And do you have a genre that you
Speaker 1: feel most comfortable in? Because you're going from like Thirteen
Speaker 1: Reasons Why to like, you know, essentially a parody of
Speaker 1: like outer space, So like what where do you feel
Speaker 1: most comfortable?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, to the broader extent of it, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's in space, this is.
Speaker 3: A drama whatever.
Speaker 2: But in each character that I'm doing, I find like
Speaker 2: truth and realness behind it. So to me as the actor,
Speaker 2: I'm it's not really like super different. I mean, the
Speaker 2: costumes different, the tone might be different. But for me,
Speaker 2: it's like just finding characters that have something really real
Speaker 2: and true to portray. So, like Thirteen Reasons Why, I
Speaker 2: had the storyline with Bryce, who was my boyfriend, and
Speaker 2: he great me and we have a big you know.
Speaker 3: That whole thing.
Speaker 2: But in this scenario, I have a friend that died
Speaker 2: and this guy that's working alongside of me, I have
Speaker 2: to work with him, and the stakes are still high
Speaker 2: in different ways.
Speaker 3: So to me, I just look for anything challenging.
Speaker 1: I love that you're like a true You're like a
Speaker 1: true artist.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's hard to find. Because I moved out
Speaker 1: to LA and I wanted to be an actress, and
Speaker 1: then I saw that the game had really changed. It
Speaker 1: was like, sorry, my baby's here. If you can hear
Speaker 1: her screaming, she's saying hi to everybody. I just saw that,
Speaker 1: like being an influencer was what people were gravit, like
Speaker 1: casting directors were gravitating towards like are they going to
Speaker 1: bring in a lot of viewers. They have, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen million followers on Instagram or whatever it may have
Speaker 1: been at the time. That was intimidating, and it's really
Speaker 1: hard to find, especially at your age, women who are
Speaker 1: really into the craft.
Speaker 2: Still it's hard to I mean, yeah, it's hard in
Speaker 2: this scenario one hundred percent because you do have the
Speaker 2: social media coming into it.
Speaker 3: And I've gotten beat out of many roles.
Speaker 2: Because of not enough followers over you know, TikTok whatever,
Speaker 2: And I really hope, like in the long run that
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm not saying that TikTok or YouTubers
Speaker 2: could not be great actresses or actors because I did
Speaker 2: work with Key and Lawley, who I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: he's a YouTuber, like he's going to be like terrible,
Speaker 2: and I was like, he's really good. I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: working with him, and he took this job super seriously
Speaker 2: and took me by surprise. So I'm not saying it
Speaker 2: couldn't happen, but I don't like that for that to
Speaker 2: be kind of a something that.
Speaker 3: You have to have, and I hope that kind of ends.
Speaker 3: But for me.
Speaker 2: It's actually really difficult right now because there's like I
Speaker 2: have an influencer look on Instagram, and unless I'm showing
Speaker 2: the shows that I'm on or on set every day,
Speaker 2: which you can't post, by the way, so I look
Speaker 2: to the audience and a lot of my followers like
Speaker 2: an Instagram model sometimes, so I kind of battle that
Speaker 2: line between influencer and actress. And it's been hard, like
Speaker 2: branding and all those things. I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to sell myself short I would like to do this, or.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like to do this.
Speaker 2: It's like a weird balance right now that's going on
Speaker 2: for actors that are taking it seriously and also looking
Speaker 2: like they really love social media unlike a lot of
Speaker 2: the people on their two reasons why I maybe barely
Speaker 2: post anything.
Speaker 5: You know, right, do you relate to I know your
Speaker 5: character on the Orvial is Charlie, right, Charlie Burke.
Speaker 4: Do you relate to her at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I relate to her in the sense
Speaker 2: of getting a job done at all costs, and like
Speaker 2: that's how I am on set. Day on set was
Speaker 2: one of my hardest scenes, and everyone's like, how is
Speaker 2: everyone like welcoming you and all this stuff. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't fucking know. I literally went
Speaker 2: in with like my eyes like on the job and
Speaker 2: like I didn't care about really even meeting anyone. I
Speaker 2: was just like, I just want to do an incredible
Speaker 2: job at what I'm doing and being just disciplined focused
Speaker 2: on the job at hand. I feel like is there,
Speaker 2: and the badass kind of like cool quality is there.
Speaker 2: But other than that, her relationship with Isaac and stuff.
Speaker 2: I've never gone through something like that to hate someone
Speaker 2: at that level, So I can't relate to that personally,
Speaker 2: but I can put myself in her shoes and understand
Speaker 2: how you know, if that happened, I would yeah.
Speaker 3: And speaking of you, said, you know, how's everyone treating you?
Speaker 5: And the guest actors for this season are like out
Speaker 5: of this world. There's like Ted Danson, Elizabeth Gillies, you
Speaker 5: have I wrote it, Oh, Johnny.
Speaker 4: Knox, Bill Layton Measter. Did you get to kind of
Speaker 4: talk to any of them?
Speaker 2: Or I got to talk to Liz Gillies, which is
Speaker 2: funny because I told her that I've gotten told a
Speaker 2: lot that I look like I look like her or
Speaker 2: remind people of her, so I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, this might be super weird.
Speaker 3: But I just got told I look like you. Of
Speaker 3: course she's in that like full alien cossume and she's
Speaker 3: looking at Oh yeah, that's I agree. I wish I
Speaker 3: got to eat more.
Speaker 2: I do know that we have like a very special
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite country singers. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can say, but oh my god, she's a
Speaker 2: legend and she's going to be in an upcoming episode
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Wish I got to meet her. It's insane.
Speaker 2: And even they have this like new technology where they
Speaker 2: like aged like it's like basically a face tune, but
Speaker 2: like maybe like for whatever, where they can age someone
Speaker 2: down in real time and you got to like legend
Speaker 2: singer in like a real life I don't know when
Speaker 2: she was maybe thirty.
Speaker 1: I wonder if like that's the same technology that Martin
Speaker 1: Scorsese used on like al Pacino and Robert de Niro
Speaker 1: in The Irishman. It was like the first time they
Speaker 1: had ever done it.
Speaker 3: Maybe, I wonder. It's like so shocked, I mean to us,
Speaker 3: I think it's like so simple.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I mean that's easy, like face tune
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, but I guess it's a whole other.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we're not using face tuned video. So
Speaker 1: you're from Dallas, Texas. By the way, I went to Dallas,
Speaker 1: Texas on my tour, and I was like, I'm moving here.
Speaker 1: I'm moving here tomorrow if I could.
Speaker 2: No, no why I mean maybe Austin, Texas, But why Dallas?
Speaker 3: Why would you want to move there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was really granted. I spent like
Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours there, so just know that.
Speaker 1: But I've just like, I felt like it was clean.
Speaker 1: It was like a big enough city to where you
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, I'm like not in the sticks. I
Speaker 1: really liked it.
Speaker 3: It's not bad. It's nice.
Speaker 2: I have both lives there. My my sister lives in Uptown,
Speaker 2: which is nice.
Speaker 3: It's it is nice. I just feel like everything kind
Speaker 3: of looks the same.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in a what's that movie with Truman,
Speaker 2: The Truman Show.
Speaker 1: The Truman Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like every every house, like every neighborhood has
Speaker 2: three different bills that you can build from, and they
Speaker 2: only build from that floor plan.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Like you get to pick your.
Speaker 2: Brick color and the floor plan and that's about it.
Speaker 4: So your family stayed in Dallas. No one moved here
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 3: No I moved out. No. I moved out here at
Speaker 3: seventeen by myself.
Speaker 1: That is crazy to me. So did you graduate from
Speaker 1: high school?
Speaker 2: Yes, I made a point to do that. I needed
Speaker 2: at least the high school graduation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I did fly a lot, Like I went to
Speaker 2: the school that kind of worked with me. So I
Speaker 2: missed probably half the year my sophomore year. I took
Speaker 2: junior year off of acting because I didn't know if
Speaker 2: I wanted to do acting or go to college, and
Speaker 2: junior year as like the biggest.
Speaker 3: Like college theater.
Speaker 2: So I applied everywhere and I took junior year really seriously.
Speaker 3: And had my first boyfriend. So that was why I
Speaker 3: don't want to act.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, as a sophomore, I when
Speaker 2: I first started coming out here a pilot season, I
Speaker 2: remember having a crush on this guy and I was
Speaker 2: like so nervous because he asked me to be his girlfriend,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, what does that
Speaker 2: even mean? Like you're gonna like does that mean you're
Speaker 2: gonna meet me at my locker every day?
Speaker 3: Do I have to like kiss you in front of me?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna come over to my house?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: All those thoughts is like a kid that's never like
Speaker 2: I was very sheltered, didn't do anything. I was so
Speaker 2: nervous when he wanted to be my boyfriend, so I
Speaker 2: was like no, no, no no, but I really liked him anyway,
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 3: Here for like a couple months.
Speaker 2: I go back and he's dating like one of my friends,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I missed it.
Speaker 2: And then I missed homecoming, I miss prom, you know,
Speaker 2: so all those things happened, and it was like sophomore
Speaker 2: year when you're wanting all those you know, fun experiences.
Speaker 2: So I took junior year off, had my first boyfriend
Speaker 2: and was like I don't know if I do want
Speaker 2: to do acting or be a normal like kid go
Speaker 2: to college with all my friends. And then I basically
Speaker 2: saw all my friends going to different places and the
Speaker 2: amount of money, and I went to college tours and
Speaker 2: I was like, I do not see myself living here.
Speaker 2: You're telling me there's like one strip mall and a
Speaker 2: bunch of bars and we're going to go here every
Speaker 2: single weekend.
Speaker 3: Like that's the life that we're going to be living.
Speaker 1: No, So then I'm are you bummed that you missed
Speaker 1: out on those moments like your your high school dance
Speaker 1: and like having the boyfriend who then went with your
Speaker 1: hook or friend.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, no, no, because I made up for
Speaker 2: it my junior year. My junior year, I was a
Speaker 2: little bit crank ray and then my senior year I
Speaker 2: also had there. I went to three different proms, so
Speaker 2: I was fine, I got it all.
Speaker 1: So you made up for it.
Speaker 3: I made up for it.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then I was like, Okay, let
Speaker 2: me go and see if I can actually like make this.
Speaker 2: And I still was planning on going to a college
Speaker 2: out here, so I did like a community college to
Speaker 2: get at least courses done because I deferred to SMU
Speaker 2: in Dallas and I wanted to have at least all
Speaker 2: my credits. And then my first week I booked a
Speaker 2: movie in Indiana and they were like, you can't do both.
Speaker 1: Oh the universe. The universe had its plan for you
Speaker 1: all along. I have to know what does your family
Speaker 1: think of everything you're doing, because you know so many people.
Speaker 1: I remember when I told my high school counselor my
Speaker 1: big dream, and she was like, that's great for you,
Speaker 1: but let's think of reality. And like, granted I told
Speaker 1: her I was going to win Oscars and I am
Speaker 1: on a reality TV show, so it didn't go exactly
Speaker 1: how I planned. But nevertheless, people know who I am,
Speaker 1: so that part does exist. But like, you had this
Speaker 1: big plan and you fucking did it. Like what do
Speaker 1: people thinks?
Speaker 3: What's really funny is my high school.
Speaker 2: I hate to show to them, but I do because
Speaker 2: they really like glorify all the sports or anything that
Speaker 2: makes them look good as a school. And my parents
Speaker 2: just left because there's been so many like newspapers things
Speaker 2: like this about stars or whatever. They have yet to
Speaker 2: mention my name coming from the school, not once, because
Speaker 2: I'm on shows that are controversial or talking about things
Speaker 2: that they.
Speaker 3: Don't want their kids to watch.
Speaker 2: I went to a private school, by the way, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's why they had this twenty four hour policy. Wait
Speaker 2: the side note or twenty four twenty four hour all
Speaker 2: days a week.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Anyway, if anyone from the school caught you that was like,
Speaker 2: let's say, you know, drinking at a party or I
Speaker 2: don't know, and doing anything that was illegal, not fuck
Speaker 2: now I saw my not like in the general. Okay,
Speaker 2: but if they caught you doing anything that would would
Speaker 2: I go against or would.
Speaker 3: Go against the school?
Speaker 2: Okay, it could get suspended and they could tell from
Speaker 2: Saturday morning or Sunday night whenever, even if you weren't
Speaker 2: at school what on doing something, and you would get suspended.
Speaker 2: I had multiple friends get suspended throughout high school.
Speaker 4: But you never got suspended.
Speaker 2: I never got suspended. Actually, well wait, expelled expelled, you
Speaker 2: would get expelled. I did get suspended, suspended as different
Speaker 2: expelled is done forever for a little bit of time.
Speaker 2: I got suspended because I rolled my skirt too many times,
Speaker 2: got in trouble for my short skirt too many times,
Speaker 2: and then I was supposed to wear leggings underneath, and
Speaker 2: then I wouldn't, so I just got in trouble for
Speaker 2: dress code violations.
Speaker 4: Did they measure your skirt?
Speaker 3: They would, Yeah, it was like four inches from the
Speaker 3: me me.
Speaker 2: But that's crazy though, because I'm like, I'm sure, so
Speaker 2: the only thing that I can really show in this
Speaker 2: ugly ass, you know, is my legs.
Speaker 3: So I just would always roll my skirt.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone did that though, Like at my school.
Speaker 1: I went to public school in Utah, but like they
Speaker 1: used your your arms and your fingertips as like the
Speaker 1: measuring device, and I was like, this is unfair because
Speaker 1: I have like really long arms in my fingers are
Speaker 1: also abnormally long, So not fair, yeah, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Why can't we measure the arm to finger for everybody
Speaker 2: and also like count that because it's not fair. And
Speaker 2: I were, you know, objectifying women's arm lengths.
Speaker 1: Right. See, it's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 3: But my parents, my family, people around me.
Speaker 2: I mean my dad was definitely very skeptical at the beginning,
Speaker 2: just because he wanted to make sure that I was.
Speaker 2: He didn't want it to be you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to move out to LA and like be a
Speaker 2: waitress and then not work and just like move out
Speaker 2: to LA.
Speaker 3: And be in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: And he's such a like Texan, like I'm so scared
Speaker 2: of Melrose. I'm so scared of like daughter moving to LA.
Speaker 2: So I really had to prove it to him for sure.
Speaker 2: But then once I like book something and then another
Speaker 2: thing comes, another I think comes you know, the trust
Speaker 2: is there and totally totally is supportive of me, and
Speaker 2: they watch everything that I'm in.
Speaker 3: They're my biggest fan.
Speaker 1: So I have to say, because your dad is a
Speaker 1: Texas man, he was obviously worried about you, and he
Speaker 1: wanted you to come correct and like have a good
Speaker 1: head on your shoulders. I got all of that. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take it a little deep for one second,
Speaker 1: because you're obviously absolutely stunning and at the age of seventeen,
Speaker 1: because I know what Hollywood is like, I would be
Speaker 1: very nervous, like sending my kid at the age of
Speaker 1: seventeen to a place like this and having these producers
Speaker 1: quote unquote say that they've got a nice project for
Speaker 1: you to come in and read for, and then all
Speaker 1: of the sudden, you know, things go south and he
Speaker 1: gets you. You know, we're not naive to the fact
Speaker 1: that Hollywood can get scary, and it's very important that
Speaker 1: you whoever you're meeting with, they got their credentials. You're
Speaker 1: coming in it's professional, Like was that something that that was?
Speaker 1: You know, you moved out ten years ago, but did
Speaker 1: not go through your parents' head at all.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it did. And honestly, I will say that
Speaker 3: I've just.
Speaker 2: Had a really good head on my shoulders coming out here,
Speaker 2: and I am like a Christian, and I value the
Speaker 2: thoughts that I have and like the feelings that I get.
Speaker 3: In a room.
Speaker 2: And there were times when I would go into a
Speaker 2: room and have an audition and feel a little bit
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and I would leave.
Speaker 3: I really would.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, sorry, I'm going to leave, And that
Speaker 2: has happened before. But the funny thing is is my
Speaker 2: first boyfriend out here when I was seventeen, was twenty
Speaker 2: seven and was a producer. But he just only was
Speaker 2: a really really really nice nice guy and things didn't
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 3: But it was not ever hear to me.
Speaker 2: But I have walked out of multiple situations out here
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. I've said no to plenty of things, and
Speaker 2: I believe out here, which I you know, I hate
Speaker 2: to say that with just such confidence like demeaning or
Speaker 2: you know, not to say that it wasn't just so
Speaker 2: easy to say no in like a certain situation. But
Speaker 2: I think I come across like I have a very
Speaker 2: like don't talk to me attitude, especially in rooms where
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot of men and I
Speaker 2: could be maybe in a vulnerable situation to where I
Speaker 2: put up like just such a guard and unless it was,
Speaker 2: you know, out of my control. I'm very good at
Speaker 2: like kind of sensing something a little bit off and
Speaker 2: being like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you trust your gun?
Speaker 5: Yeah I do, and yeah, willing to walk away, which
Speaker 5: is huge for actors, especially not being born here and
Speaker 5: moving here and like, I got to prove myself very intimidating. Yes,
Speaker 5: it's like you can easily purposefully overlook things and be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I didn't see that. Just keep trucking along because I've
Speaker 5: got to get this role, and or.
Speaker 1: Your dreams are so big and you don't want anything
Speaker 1: to stand in the way. It does, it gets you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not blind to it. But I going back to
Speaker 1: your twenty seven year old boyfriend, I can just imagine
Speaker 1: your big Texas dad wanting to behead him.
Speaker 3: Oh but I didn't tell him that I was dating.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm sure he doesn't listen to the Give
Speaker 1: Them Laila podcast. I don't think he would be hunting
Speaker 1: him down anytime.
Speaker 2: I mean he knows now we have a very honest,
Speaker 2: open relationship. I mean there's really not much he can
Speaker 2: do now that I pay my own bill. Money used
Speaker 2: to be like something that he could be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm taking that away, or like you can't have your phone,
Speaker 2: But now it's like we're friends, Like I'll let you know.
Speaker 2: He just I had a tracker. Oh I did, though
Speaker 2: have a tracker on my phone in my par when
Speaker 2: I first.
Speaker 3: Moved out here for the first two years.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would. Also I would do that to my
Speaker 1: daughter Ocean.
Speaker 5: Well there's the Apple tracker, thinks now.
Speaker 4: But I am so fascinated in the fact.
Speaker 5: So you are you're optioning or you've already optioned, and
Speaker 5: you're producing the unraveling of Cassidy Holmes, Like how did
Speaker 5: that come about?
Speaker 4: Is that a book you read? And you were like,
Speaker 4: I have this has to be made?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 5: Is it going to be starring you? Have you not
Speaker 5: got that far? Like tell us all about that because
Speaker 5: that's fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: So basically my first week on set of The Orville
Speaker 2: I got called into Fuzzy Door Production's office to talk
Speaker 2: to the president, Erica Huggins about just like the future
Speaker 2: like after the show and they have this whole production company.
Speaker 2: So she was like, basically, what is your dream role
Speaker 2: if we ever have something come down the line like
Speaker 2: we would love to work with you afterwards. You've done
Speaker 2: such a great job in addition to the show whatever.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my gosh, you've ever been
Speaker 3: asked like that.
Speaker 2: I'm normally like, can I just please get whatever's on
Speaker 2: these sides?
Speaker 3: So I really it got me thinking.
Speaker 2: And then shortly after COVID happened, so I'm you know,
Speaker 2: left with nothing to do but read. And I was thinking,
Speaker 2: I want to find like a book or just you know,
Speaker 2: if I ever read something that was really fun, I
Speaker 2: could I could you know, turn this into something maybe
Speaker 2: or even just get an idea to bring back.
Speaker 3: To the fuzzy door.
Speaker 2: So I read this book. I was a part of
Speaker 2: this book of the Month club. It was like new
Speaker 2: books that would come out, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: have nothing else to do, so I'm just gonna read
Speaker 2: this anyway. I read it the authors from Austin, Texas.
Speaker 2: And this book is basically like all my favorite things.
Speaker 2: It's like pop in the nineties, like kind of Spice
Speaker 2: Girls era with all the drama and all the new
Speaker 2: age stuff of the me too and things like that
Speaker 2: that are happening nowadays like all.
Speaker 3: In this book.
Speaker 2: And also just a pop star in like Christina Aguilera
Speaker 2: and like that whole just that whole nineties.
Speaker 3: Two thousands was my jam my vibe.
Speaker 2: So when I read this, I was like, this could
Speaker 2: totally be made into such a really cool story right now.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I optioned the book. I took it
Speaker 2: to Fuzzy Door. They signed on now have Universal Studios
Speaker 2: on it, and we have a showrunner and her name
Speaker 2: was Karen.
Speaker 3: She's do you guys have the song U g l
Speaker 3: y you ain't gonna yes?
Speaker 2: Of course, So she was the singer of that song
Speaker 2: and her and it was her and her friend that
Speaker 2: would go around and sing that song. It was kind
Speaker 2: of like that, and I think they had a couple others,
Speaker 2: but that's their most you know, famous one.
Speaker 3: So she's from that era and she was like a
Speaker 3: pop star in that era.
Speaker 2: And now she's a writer for Universal Studios and she's
Speaker 2: writing our story.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, I have chills for.
Speaker 2: You, And we have good music coming from Republic Records
Speaker 2: that's gonna be written. It's all kind of like in
Speaker 2: the works. But now at this point we are pitching
Speaker 2: it to different streaming platforms to see like who we
Speaker 2: are going to go with that's kind of out right now.
Speaker 2: But yes, I'll be in it. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be the main character. I really like I was into
Speaker 2: another one of the girls in the band. I mean
Speaker 2: it's kind of an ensoulid cast, but I really like
Speaker 2: gravitated towards this girl.
Speaker 3: And her name is Rose. That's kind of why I
Speaker 3: died my hair too.
Speaker 1: I love it. I have to read this book now.
Speaker 1: I'm a big reader, and I need to read this
Speaker 1: before your show comes out.
Speaker 3: It's really like easy read. It's one of those that
Speaker 3: it's just easy to read, like you'll be like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm halfway through.
Speaker 2: But it's it's going to be, you know, like they
Speaker 2: show any anything that's based off the book, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit different.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be a little a little changed.
Speaker 5: Because you sing, right, yeah, okay, you're a singer, so
Speaker 5: will you be singing in this yes.
Speaker 2: But I'm hoping to get like a way like better
Speaker 2: couple singers to kind of carry me a little bit.
Speaker 2: We need like a good a really like powerhouse singer
Speaker 2: and a really great dancer to kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: ease the the flow of.
Speaker 1: It, all right, bring them on elevate.
Speaker 3: I'm not the best. I'm not like Ariana Grande, which
Speaker 3: I wish you know, well.
Speaker 1: Who is who is except maybe Mariah Carey, And.
Speaker 2: I want to find one like that that's also you know,
Speaker 2: good at acting. You know, you have to find within acting,
Speaker 2: singing and dancing. When you have a group of four girls,
Speaker 2: like I want to find different qualities that are the
Speaker 2: best in others or whatever that we can kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, make it to be a good group.
Speaker 1: So will you be able like when you when you
Speaker 1: have these these girls audition and you come up with
Speaker 1: like the final four or however money you'll be watching
Speaker 1: their tapes. Yeah, oh my god, that's my dream. That's
Speaker 1: my dream job is to be a casting director.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's so well.
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm sure you could go and sit
Speaker 2: in any casting director session. I mean I used to
Speaker 2: do that. You could go into a casting director and
Speaker 2: be like, hey, can.
Speaker 3: I be the reader? Can I be the reader of
Speaker 3: the casting session?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: I would love that, which is wild.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stress. It's make or break. You're
Speaker 1: putting a character in a role that could completely fuck
Speaker 1: up the whole show.
Speaker 5: And also I have to say, if I'm an actor
Speaker 5: and I'm walking into an audition.
Speaker 4: Granted I know they're.
Speaker 5: Mostly on tape, but if you guys are like sitting
Speaker 5: in a casting session and I have to walk in
Speaker 5: and I know one of you that's going.
Speaker 4: To add a little pressure to me, I would be nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, definitely, It's.
Speaker 2: Happened to me before. One of my best girlfriends, like
Speaker 2: was in this one cast. It was like a like
Speaker 2: a horror movie or something, which are always like the
Speaker 2: weirdest ones to go into a room because you have
Speaker 2: to ignore like a half a page of like directions
Speaker 2: that are happening, or you're being thrown up to the
Speaker 2: ceiling or like thrown to the wall, and then like
Speaker 2: still be dramatic.
Speaker 3: And I was so nervous. I completely felt like, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, I just totally half asked that and did not
Speaker 2: do well because my best friend was reading with me.
Speaker 3: It was so weird. Didn't book it, did not book
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: Not even you can't win them all, you know, you
Speaker 1: need those humbling moments.
Speaker 3: It was very humbling.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you and everything you have going on.
Speaker 1: Where can people watch the Oreville?
Speaker 3: They can watch it? On Hulu. I'm sure you can
Speaker 3: go and buy it on like iTunes if you want to.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Hulu, let's plug your Instagram too, not like
Speaker 5: people don't know it, but you have a chic Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's like it is so cool.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I just try to ride a lot of like yeah,
Speaker 2: not the only model person on Instagram, but yes, I
Speaker 2: do like love my outfits, and I do love taking
Speaker 2: photos and I do like posting selfies. But I'm also
Speaker 2: like a really great actress, so like this is where
Speaker 2: I want to be high right, look at me if
Speaker 2: you want to.
Speaker 1: I love it. What's your gram?
Speaker 3: Okay? My Instagram is at Ann Winters.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that because a n N E w I
Speaker 2: n t r s I go buy Annie.
Speaker 3: But if people are going to look me up and
Speaker 3: I say Annie, they usually put an I in. So
Speaker 3: it's just at a n N E Winters.
Speaker 1: Perfect. I love it. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: me on my podcast today. You're amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1: I had so much fun to congratulations on all of
Speaker 1: your success.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much,