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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's do this.

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Speaker 3: There, I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I am so ready. It is so hot in this.

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Speaker 2: Room right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's getting hot in her you know, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth, I'm so glad you asked me this question because

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: Oh good.

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Speaker 3: Yes. In fact, one of our listeners, Monica del Vallier,

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Speaker 3: she sent this to me and she was like, get

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth with this. Oh she didn't say that at all.

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Speaker 3: She was very nice anyway. Apparently over in Germany there

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Speaker 3: is this really odd legal fight going on, like very odd.

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Speaker 3: There's this landlord who liked a sunbathe in the courtyard

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Speaker 3: of his building. The only one problem is the landlord

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Speaker 3: but sun bathed nude. So the building had tenants, right,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, we don't want to see all that,

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Speaker 3: like all that and uh, but didn't just have resident tenants.

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Speaker 3: It also had business occupant tenants as well, right, and

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Speaker 3: so yeah, exactly, And one floor was rented out by

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Speaker 3: a human resources company. So that company apparently got tired

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Speaker 3: of explaining the nude landlord to the people who came

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Speaker 3: to the HR company because they're like, what's your policy

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Speaker 3: on this? Anyway, the company decides to withhold rent, so

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Speaker 3: the landlord takes him to court and get this, the

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Speaker 3: court sides with the naked landlord. They're like, the German

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Speaker 3: court ruled that the usability of the rented property was

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Speaker 3: not impathed by the plaintiffs stunning himself naked in seclatat.

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Speaker 3: So the court did side with the renters, though on

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Speaker 3: one thing, Elizabeth, they decided that the rental could be

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Speaker 3: lowered for three months due to their being noisy construction.

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Speaker 3: So in Germany, nudity is deemed acceptable for doing business,

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Speaker 3: but the noisiness is comp.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I just can't, okay, I would think that that

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Speaker 2: definitely interferes with your with your ability to conduct work.

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Speaker 2: One would they make a guy with his ding ding Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and just a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of him showing off and he's like, really like taking

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Speaker 3: up all the sun?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, no sun for the rest of us.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Okay, please do.

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Speaker 2: Conning your way into a life as a celebrity restaurant tour.

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Speaker 4: How do I do this?

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous

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Speaker 2: caper's heiss and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder

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Speaker 2: freezerin and one hundred percent ridiculous Elizabeth, I got us

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Speaker 2: another ridiculous criminal.

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Speaker 3: All right, an impostor, Oh I love them, impostor?

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Speaker 2: Before I begin, what do you know about the Romanov family, like.

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Speaker 3: The Russians, Like they're like the Peter Yeah, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So it was the Russian royal family before the revolution,

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Speaker 3: and the last Romanovs was Peter Yeah, Nicholas, Nicholas two

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Speaker 3: second and his daughter Anastasia becomes supposedly the last of.

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Speaker 2: The Romanov Nicholas or Nikolay second Alexandrovitch Romanov was the last,

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Speaker 2: like you said, last emperor of Russia. He was booted

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Speaker 2: during the Russian Revolution in nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Bolsheviks were out putty.

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Speaker 2: He abdicated for himself and his son, and then he

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Speaker 2: and his family were imprisoned in the Russian Provisional Government

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Speaker 2: by the Russian Provisional Government excuse me not in it

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Speaker 3: We want to step outside the captain for a second.

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Speaker 2: I have a quiet moment. What about resputant, Yes, the

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Speaker 2: unkillable one, an illiterate Siberian dude.

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Speaker 3: That guy was like when I was a kid, I

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Speaker 3: read all sorts of weird stuff, and I read a

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Speaker 3: lot about resputing and all the stuff about him not

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Speaker 3: being able to be killed. That's impressive, right, But the

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Speaker 3: stuff about what he was doing before he got killed

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Speaker 3: is way more impressive. The guys insane. He comes out

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Speaker 3: They're like, I gotta have him. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Then he got better everybody.

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Speaker 3: He did, and then he starts to like sleeping his

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Speaker 3: way through the court. He's like, I don't care, my boy.

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Speaker 2: So he's a as you're talking about. He's an advisor

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Speaker 2: When the n was near for the Romanovs, people panicked

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll just take your word for that.

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Speaker 2: Sure, ar me too. They decided that Rasputen's influence over

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Speaker 2: this Zarmina was threatening the empire. Yeah, so they came

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Speaker 2: up with a plan to kill him December nineteen sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and he was murdered. That's not our one percent, that's

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Speaker 2: like this as a historical.

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Speaker 3: And they did it so many times it would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the thirtieth of December nineteen sixteen,

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Speaker 2: at the home of Felix Yusupov. I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: get those established because they'll come up later. So let

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Speaker 2: me take you back now to eighteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: Oh please, I thought i'd have to ask.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. It was in that year that Herschel Gaguzen

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Speaker 2: was born in Russian territory. The location would later become

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Speaker 2: Poland and then after that Lithuania. But that's not important here.

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Speaker 3: Who cares.

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Speaker 2: I just want to lay some groundwork.

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Speaker 3: I want to be through like you, I appreciate that

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Speaker 3: Lithuania was a huge force and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Little nublins huge little Herschel. His dad died when Herschel

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's tough stuff. A peacekeeper who died.

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Speaker 2: From It's I get the end of stand by Me,

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Speaker 2: where I'm going to spoil it for everyone. Where the

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I haven't seen that. I should have

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Speaker 3: stopped you, I know.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, his mom, Herschel's mom's like, I can't handle

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Speaker 2: this kid. He's a whole message trouble. So he's ten

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Speaker 2: years old. She's like, tells her cousin, Joseph Bloomberg, take

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Speaker 2: Herschel with you to New York City. I heard that's

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Speaker 2: where you're going. Joseph's like, all right, take some with him.

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Speaker 2: They get to the US and Herschel he changed his name, Well,

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Speaker 3: Him, as was the habit Island style.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't pronounce names out at Ellis Islands, so

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Speaker 2: they gave people monikers that were anglicized close enough for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was his new names? Erin Oh, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it was Herschel Harry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he went from Herschel Gaguz into Harry Gurgison.

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Speaker 3: They added, Okay, Harry.

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Speaker 2: Gurgison sounds like a grim diagnosing totally.

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Speaker 3: I hate to tell you this, Elizabeth. You have Harry Gurguson, Gurguson.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a real name. I mean there's Gerguson, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Entire No, no, of course not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's true that I'm half Leslie

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Speaker 3: Can you be more than half anyway?

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Speaker 2: Gurguson?

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Speaker 3: So also, I like Gurgison is a name, because then

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Speaker 3: no Gurgu, Sorry you found it, son of Grogu.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Gurgson. I don't. I'm sure that it's an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he came up with better names, a bunch

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Speaker 3: These are all better names. He should be naming people should.

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Speaker 2: They should That's the job he should have had. While

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Speaker 2: decided to play fast and loose with his history as well.

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Speaker 2: Good for him, So he told people he went to

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Speaker 3: He's very smart and Yale. He must be very educated,

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Speaker 3: Oh so he didn't say all of them, which.

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Speaker 2: Felt I kind of like to imply that he used

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Speaker 2: them all that back to his childhood. So the Bloombergs,

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Speaker 2: of hairy I bet they did, Like get your hairy Gurgison.

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Speaker 2: That gurgu is like an invitation star wars, like you

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Speaker 2: book with like a little monster and his name is Gurgu.

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Speaker 2: Gona didn't nice you, gurg No. It's like it's like

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Speaker 2: right exactly. You don't want to tangle with the mouse house.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, they get.

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Speaker 2: Sick of hairy Gurgu, and he's over them too.

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Speaker 2: He just stands in the doorway and goes whatever. They

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Speaker 2: other places that he ran away from. He's just a troublemaker.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I like that they put it in

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Speaker 3: Record, something you're always worried about.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing he's gotten in his permanent record

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Speaker 2: that he's a big pilot trouble the gurgoos. But he's

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Speaker 2: also super likable, really engaging and charming, except for family.

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Speaker 2: If he liked someone, that's the thing he doesn't like

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Speaker 2: because exactly if you liked someone, he could ingratiate himself

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Speaker 2: to that person immediately you put it on for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he was like a really good mimic and also

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Speaker 2: a good storyteller. So you combine all those things, that's

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Speaker 2: a con man. That's a con man. Society ladies would

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Speaker 2: be doing charity work at orphanages, and they loved him

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Speaker 2: so much, like, come with us, We're going to take

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Speaker 2: a weekend to our country home.

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Speaker 3: You're not quick to adopt you, but what we're going

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Speaker 3: to come with you a little. We're going to tease

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Speaker 3: you with fun and good talks.

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Speaker 2: It'll make me feel good for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to use you, Okay, I'm going to rent

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Speaker 3: you out so I feel good to come with me.

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Speaker 3: A boy boy of gurgoy.

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Speaker 2: One early benefactor said he was one of the most

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Speaker 2: convincing liars you ever met.

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Speaker 3: Like they're just loving this.

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Speaker 3: Teenager.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a straight up jailbird. And he also

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Speaker 2: You know, he's just it's him versus the world, versus

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Speaker 3: Well and then I was in Juliet.

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Speaker 2: When he was in prison, he carried a walking stick

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Speaker 2: during the exercise time, not as a means of defense

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to the top half.

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Speaker 3: Affecting a limp and an accent. So when he was

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Speaker 2: King of the fancy hill. So when he's in his

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Speaker 2: a continental notion. So March twentieth, nineteen twenty three, he

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Speaker 3: Finally got'll play in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so he'd stolen a man's military papers, and

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Speaker 2: he used them claim that he was a British lieutenant

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Speaker 2: or as they say, lieutenant. Yes, yes, the Saint Louis papers.

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Speaker 2: They announced a few days later, but the city was

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Speaker 3: We got guys photos.

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Speaker 2: There's a caption on the photo, Prince Michael Romanov.

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Speaker 2: The some problem though the locals recognized him because he

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Speaker 2: Harry Gurgson. The Gurgs exposed as a fraud.

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Speaker 3: He's like dark.

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Speaker 2: So at one point during his struggles, American artist Rockwell

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Speaker 3: That's the deal. You let me stay with you, I'll

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Speaker 3: go be you you.

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Speaker 2: On another occasion, he stole military brushes from Paul Mellon

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Speaker 3: Wow, like me, Sally, wealthy family.

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Speaker 2: They get their riches from banking and oil and brushes.

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Speaker 2: Sure well the brushes. They were gold backs and monogrammed

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Speaker 2: with the initials PM.

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Speaker 3: And made out of elephant eyelashes.

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Speaker 2: Gergison said the initials stood for Prince Michael. They're not

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Speaker 2: cyrillic Prince Michael. In nineteen Prince Mike, it's Mesian name Mike.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen twenty seven, he turned up in Hollywood for.

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Speaker 3: A little bit good cause.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's where all the good bs artists go.

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Speaker 3: There's a magnet there that draws him.

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Speaker 2: He worked as a technical advisor for a film about

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Speaker 2: And he was exposed as a fraud by a former

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Speaker 3: And he doesn't have a Russian accent. He's affecting. He's

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Speaker 2: He's British now because he says he went to Oxford.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing he wouldn't speak Russian while they're

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is that? So he's there there, the

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Speaker 2: So Gergison would also try and pass.

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Speaker 3: On stoic Russian word exactly.

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Speaker 2: He tried to pass himself off as the son of

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Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier. He was to be deported a number

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Speaker 3: And he's telling people I killed this German baron because

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Speaker 2: That, and they're like, well that that that lie that's wrong.

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Speaker 2: If you had actually killed and we'd be fine with that,

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Speaker 2: but you lied about it. Now we must support you.

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Speaker 2: So he escapes and he disappears. He claimed that he

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Speaker 2: legend was that he swam to New Jersey in a

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Speaker 2: silk top hat. Wow right, I mean this made everyone

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Speaker 2: believe he was an accomplished swimmer if you're going to

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Speaker 3: And a snazzy dresser.

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Speaker 2: He was not. He was a snazzy dresser, not a swimmer.

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Speaker 2: So that lie was uncovered later in his life when

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Speaker 2: the immigration men who were supposed to be watching Gergison

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Speaker 2: After his escape from Ellis Island, he began going by

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Speaker 2: Prince Obolenski.

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Speaker 3: Like Prince Albert and the can.

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Speaker 2: Well Maybe newspapers ran interviews with him about the trials

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Speaker 2: weekend getaways came from the stories, but no jobs. However,

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Speaker 2: Put the monocle back on. I'm serious, fancy striped trousers

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Speaker 2: around have it Yard. He ended up being expelled because

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Speaker 3: When did he start selling peanuts?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: The monopoly man does not wear a monocle. Yeah, anyho, So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're not You're not on exchange from Oxford, You're just

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Speaker 2: old Harry Gergerson. April nineteen thirty two. He takes off

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess super sen.

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Speaker 3: He gets money for doing that.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad he said it after he arrived. But you

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Speaker 2: they knew right away that he was trouble. He got

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Speaker 2: They know how to get in touch with people. They're willing,

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Speaker 2: time on the liner Ill Difference. He changed cabin Snightley

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Speaker 3: Of need to know what happened sometimes I should probably

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Speaker 2: Let me do some focus on the Russian royal family.

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Speaker 2: Following the Revolution, the Russian aristocracy fell into chaos and disrepair,

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Speaker 3: Whoever, seven thousand other country he can't get.

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Speaker 2: Caught because they can't talk to any royal families. They're dispersed,

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Speaker 3: Russian Revolution created more Russian nobility than I think we

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Speaker 2: So while he's crossing the Atlantic, he decides to become

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. When we come back, you're gonna

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Speaker 5: Hello, Harry Gurguson, Prince Obolenski, and now Prince Michael Romanov

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Speaker 5: Prince Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my dude, Yeah, No matter the name, the guy's

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Speaker 2: up his story at being Prince Michael Romanov nephew Tizar Nicholas.

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Speaker 2: The second he got a little loose with his bragging

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Speaker 2: though he was in the smoking room smoking it up.

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Speaker 2: I like to imagine it either like a nineties sleazy

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Speaker 3: Now we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, he's in the smoking room, he tells

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Speaker 2: all the swells and fat cats that he's friends with

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Speaker 2: Hey, cap'n ron, it's so coolier pals with a missing Romanov.

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Speaker 2: The captain then sends a stewart to investigate, like, who's

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Speaker 3: Unquote friend, who's my friend?

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Speaker 2: Gregson gets caught and revealed as a stowaway. Here's an aside,

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Speaker 2: though later in his life. He had this influential friend,

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Speaker 2: He was not a stowaway, but rather a researcher of stowaways.

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Speaker 2: Wait what the old the old Pete townshend.

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Speaker 3: Say just wait, tell met somebody to give him a

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Speaker 3: letter that says, basically, oh please don't interrupt him. He

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Speaker 3: is studying this stuff. Yeah, he's research And who was

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: How do I get one of these letters?

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Speaker 2: I gave it to him. I'll write you one. So

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Speaker 2: Gergison was taken back to an old haunt by the police.

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Speaker 2: When the ship talked in NYC, the Big Apple, the

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Speaker 3: So yes for a name.

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Speaker 2: An order was passed to deport him back to France. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we don't want him here, will detained?

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Speaker 3: Wait to port him back to France. He's not a

438
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 3: French whatever'll.

439
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 2: Kick him out. Whatever where was the last place you were?

440
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: You go back there. So he asked to be to

441
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: have this monitored escort take him into New York to

442
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: collect his effects. And on the way he and his guard,

443
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 2: James Drury, they stopped at a speakeasy.

444
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I get it.

445
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: So while the guard is distracted at the speakeasy, he

446
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: makes his escape. The escape was highly publicized. Four people

447
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: ended up being suspended over at Ellis Island, probably unquote

448
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: paid leave you know whatever. This, though, was the start

449
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: of Gurgison's notoriety. A dozen agents were sent to search

450
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: for him. They hit up every speakeasy in the Upper

451
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: east Side. They had to check them all, some more

452
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: than once to be sure.

453
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: I'd see the floor show, the floor show.

454
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: One day, Gurgison was in Jim Moriarty's speakeasy off Fifth Avenue,

455
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: and Moriarty got a tip that immigration police had arrived

456
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 2: looking for Gergison. So he tells Gurgu slip out through

457
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: the kitchen. This is what Gurgison said back to him,

458
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: A romanov kent' escape through the kitchen. Moriarty, clever irishman responds,

459
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: your uncle Tazaar.

460
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: Did ohaykay leave it to an irishman.

461
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: So out to the kitchen he went Gurgu. He roamed

462
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: free in New York for days, but was eventually caught.

463
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: He'd been hanging out at a speakeasy on East fifty

464
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: eighth Street. He was made there, but agents watched him

465
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: as he went to an apartment building on East sixty eighth.

466
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: So he goes ten blocks home. That's where they nab him.

467
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: He was carrying a lot of money, and this made

468
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: investigators pretty sure that he had accomplices assisting him in

469
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: his life as a fugitive. They wanted to find these friends,

470
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: so those people could be charged with conspiracy to aid

471
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: a fell in an escape. No luck couldn't find him.

472
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Ah, they got greedy.

473
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Gurgison he goes free on bail twenty five

474
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, and he appeared before vaudeville audiences while awaiting trial.

475
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: He's like, let me do a quick set, let me

476
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: get to a quick five. I got the time. Guys

477
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: want to work some stuff to go back to court

478
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 3: till four.

479
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: So the headlines of the day Gergison indicted on perjury

480
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: charge and he will halt vaudeville career to face accusation

481
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: of false swearing at Ellis.

482
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 3: Island, wow.

483
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. He pleads guilty to perjury and violation of the

484
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: immigration law in January of nineteen thirty three. At the time,

485
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 2: Federal Judge John C. Knox was informed that the Department

486
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: of Labor decided to forgive, though not forget Gergison's transgressions.

487
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: The Department of Labor can do.

488
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 2: This, Apparently I had no idea Gergison. He gets sentenced

489
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: in April of the same year to ninety days in

490
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: the Federal House of Detention. And he also had Tomis

491
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Pinky swear to stop using the name Prince Michael Romanov.

492
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so like, okay.

493
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: This guy is not I don't wouldn't hold any any

494
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: of his words exactly.

495
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: He doesn't have whatever.

496
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: So the sentence gets suspended. He doesn't even do the

497
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: ninety days. He's given three years probation. His attorney said

498
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: of him, he has violated the law, he admits that,

499
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: but there's nothing vicious about him. And he has an

500
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: amazing number of friends.

501
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: He's well liked, he's part he's a good dancer.

502
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: He dresses well, so he could have been sentenced to

503
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 2: fifty five years.

504
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no. Luckily he cooks well. So people are

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: like look, he has the best inner parties. What can

506
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: we do?

507
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: Here's what the judge says. I did not see any

508
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: reason for treating this case in a matter altogether different

509
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: from others. I admit it is peculiar in many respects,

510
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: but he had little cause if indeed, there can be

511
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: a cause or justification for perjuring himself.

512
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: So the judge's writing excuses from two.

513
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: Yes, he's likable, what can you do?

514
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: I just can't help it. I just love this kid,

515
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: you know, he's.

516
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: So magnetic knocks. The judge said that if Gergison violated

517
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: his probation at any point over the next three years

518
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: in any way, quote, sentence will be imposed to such

519
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: an extent that it hurts.

520
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: I'll make you come back here and smile more at me.

521
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: No, he's gonna put the hurt on.

522
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't believe it.

523
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: February thirteenth, nineteen thirty four. Where were you, zaren.

524
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay, nineteen thirty four. I was in Zurich. That doesn't matter.

525
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: Go on.

526
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: United Artists. They're premiering their latest film, Catherine the Great

527
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: in Manhattan, The.

528
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: Great Manhattan Movie.

529
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: He's gonna say, Katherine Orgate takes man so Monroe Greenthal,

530
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: the United Artist chief of publicity. He wanted to have

531
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: a famous Romanov why not? So he figured, I'll get

532
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: the famous Romanov impost At the premiere, he reaches out

533
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: to Gurgison and invites him as an honored guest.

534
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: Like, I just need publicity, I don't need truth.

535
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, Gurgu though, He's like, I got conditions. I'll

536
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: do it, but.

537
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: Hold on, I'm gonna need a white furt coat.

538
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a list of what I'm

539
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: going to need for this one. A stunning blonde that's

540
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: a literal, a stunning line. Two one hundred and fifty

541
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: dollars spending money, wow, his little cash. Three a Rolls

542
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: Royce complete with a liveried footman and chauffeur. Four. The

543
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: footman has to be dressed in a tan stovepipe hat,

544
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: tan coat with gold buttons, a scarlet vest, and knee

545
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: high tan boots with bufftops.

546
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: That's what we do it in fake Us.

547
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: They gave him everything. They let him have it at

548
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: their premiere. He and his stunning blonde. They went to

549
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: the Stork Club afterwards. Sorry and El Morocco. They did

550
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: it up. He toasted double health to his great great

551
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: great aunt Catherine. He spent all his money except thirty dollars,

552
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: and that's what he used to tip. The footman and

553
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,239
Speaker 2: the chauffeur took care of everybody good for him. When

554
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: he was dropped off at home, he found the key

555
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: hole plugged up and his apartment was inaccessible. Baby gurgu

556
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: hadn't paid his rent, oh yea, so he spent the

557
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: night at what our researcher Andrea called his old winter palace.

558
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: The safe the subway get it so. For a short time,

559
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: Gurgason assisted antiques dealer h michel Ayan with selling hand

560
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: painted gold masters. However, he ended up spending several months

561
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: in jail after he was caught pocketing the money. So

562
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: he's making the sales and it doesn't make it to

563
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: the register. The guy said later that nothing hurt him

564
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: more in life than having to prosecute Gurgison. Why because

565
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: this is what he says, quote, he is one of

566
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: the most remarkable men alive. I believe his name will

567
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: go down in history. Maybe mine will go down in

568
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: history with him. What this guy's magic zaren? Apparently Gurgason.

569
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: He gets a job as an assistant gardener at an

570
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: estate on the Hudson River. He has elegant manners Oxford accent.

571
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: People are wondering, who is this gardener?

572
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, what's your backstory?

573
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: So the laundry made she sees something on his silk

574
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: undershirts and she brings it to the mistress of the house.

575
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: The women look at the embroidery and knew right away

576
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: what it was, the Romanov coat of arms. This man

577
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: had his undershirts embroidered with the Romanov coat of arms.

578
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: And people recognize the roman of me.

579
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: So the women see it, They're like, wait, he's Russian

580
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: Royalty right under our roof, mulching our roses. Are you

581
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: kidding me? So Gergison. He is confronted by the lady

582
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: of the house and he admits, yes, I am actually

583
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: a prince. Okay, you got me. You know, he's all

584
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: humble about it. They can't have him working outside like

585
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: a peasant. He's moved into the guest chambers and he

586
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: stays there for months. Later, he gets exposed as a fake,

587
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: but everyone was so charmed by him that no one cared.

588
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely want the story. He makes me feel some kind

589
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: of way, I'm good enough.

590
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: That he starts to leave, and they beg him to stay,

591
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: please stay. When he did leave, you know they're they're

592
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: absolutely just crushed. This is what it said in an

593
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: article in Time. Quote, Mike Romanov was the real tinsel,

594
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: a phony who wore his phoniness with such transparent innocence

595
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: that it turned away wrath.

596
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm about it was he and I forget me for

597
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: asking this, But was he like charming looking too? Did

598
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: you see a picture of him? Was to say, because

599
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if he looks like, you know.

600
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: Like not really, I don't I don't want to say it,

601
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: but yeah, not really, because like you know.

602
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: Like Peter O'Toole could get away with stuff that I

603
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: think Robert Mitcham could not. Just based on Robert Mitchum

604
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: looks like a mug and you're like.

605
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: Oh, this guy, I could see it.

606
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do you think that helped?

607
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not like intimidating handsome fellow.

608
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably not excessively like Harry and low brow.

609
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: So he's like oh yeah, no no, So nineteen thirty six,

610
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: he knew where he had to go, where he belonged.

611
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: Nineteen thirty six, the Olympics.

612
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: Right, Hollywood, Oh god, he should tried. Yeah, represent Russia.

613
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: So he passed through Hillsboro, Illinois on his way to Hollywood.

614
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: Remember that place.

615
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: That's where he tried to float the whole Prince Mike

616
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: thing for the first time.

617
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: He was like catching like route sixty six, baby, yeah.

618
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

619
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: Is that to Chicago?

620
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

621
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Sure? Okay, So yeah, so he's there. They're they're seeing

622
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: him as a minor celebrity. They don't care he had

623
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: done this. He was given the honor of standing on

624
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: a platform in front of the courthouse to give out

625
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: cash prizes on their trade day. Yeah.

626
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 3: So they had like a special like this is our

627
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: field day and everybody gets out and has fun. We

628
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: have this local celebrity stand on a box and give

629
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: people checks and pretty much. Yeah.

630
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, while making his way west on this.

631
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: Whirlwindow people did before there was TV in the internet.

632
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, he stopped to dine at Antoine's, a restaurant known

633
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: as the best in New Orleans. He thought the meal

634
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: was a disappointment, but he still had a great time.

635
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: He loved sharing stories over you know, wine and food,

636
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: living it up. He wanted to make this his living.

637
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: He decided he was going to open a restaurant Romanovs.

638
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: He envisioned his place would be the place to see

639
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: and be seen in Hollywood.

640
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, he did it.

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: He did it.

642
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, this is the time. This is amazing.

643
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: He rented a room for two dollars and fifty cents

644
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: a week, and he shared that room with Prince Yuka Trubetskoy.

645
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: You say that three times.

646
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: No, I can't even say it the right way. For

647
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: one time, this guy was actual Russian aristocracy.

648
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so he got himself a real Russian Yes.

649
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: And that guy would go on to marry Marcia Stranahan,

650
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: the heiress to the Champion's spark Plug's Fortune.

651
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: Not the Champion spark Plug Fortune.

652
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: And Prince Yuka. His brother. Prince Igor was a race

653
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: car driver and would later become one of the many

654
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: husbands of the Woolworth five and dime heiress Barbara Hutton. Wow,

655
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: he's in like the heiress aristocracy.

656
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: So he's good at tennis that kind of stuff, I guess.

657
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: He would later be roommates with the agent Pat DeCicco,

658
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: who would become the first husband of the then seventeen

659
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: year old heiress Gloria Vanderbilt. Wow, future mother of Anderson Cooper.

660
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: See, I think I'm hanging on all the wrong. I

661
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: don't know any heiresses anymore.

662
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: Gerguson then lived with Decicco's cousin, Cubby Broccli.

663
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: What.

664
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Cubby would become famous and very very rich by

665
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: producing the James Bond movies.

666
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: This is crazy. Yes, Barbara BROCCOLI's connected to.

667
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: The h Gergison. He referred to himself as a social barometer.

668
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: He said only the phonies and upstarts couldn't afford to

669
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: be seen with him.

670
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm a test for reel.

671
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

672
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: He was able to cement his place among Hollywood celebrities.

673
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: John MacLean, whose mother, Evelyn Walsh MacLean, who owned the

674
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: Hope Diamond and showed up in our episode about Gaston me.

675
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: He decided to host a ball as a means of

676
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: repaying past hospitalities. The grand affair was orchestrated by Gergison

677
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: and took place at the Clover Club. A little about

678
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: the Clover Club located at eighty four to seventy seven

679
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Sunset Boulevard. It was originally a palatial private home and

680
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: it was raided in February nineteen thirty for illegal gambling,

681
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: and it was called the Sphinx Club. Then in March

682
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three it was operating as Club Sokolef and

683
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: it was rated again, this time for liquor violations. In

684
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: August of nineteen thirty three, it was the Han Club.

685
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: Nola Hahn was another game ambler associated with that address.

686
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: Soon after it was you know, got the name the

687
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Clover Club. The place was raided all the time her

688
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: thirties and forties. It was like other upscale Hollywood night clubs,

689
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, dining, dancing, paparazzi, occasional fisticuffs. The illegal gambling

690
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: rooms were hidden. Only those in the know, including a

691
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: lot of Hollywood elites, got access. There wasn't any stigma

692
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: attached to the club, though, so society and Hollywood gossip

693
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: columns at the time reported breathlessly on the events being

694
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: held there. But it was repeatedly closed down for violations

695
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: and then reopened until, you know, usually by a new

696
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: mafia owner.

697
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't have like a Mickey Cohen paying everything off.

698
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Now, they'd just passed it around, like Detroit mafia would

699
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: open it and then they'd pass it to another. This

700
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: was the perfect place for such a party, Carrie Grant,

701
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: Jimmy Stewart. They had two bands. Hogy Carmichael played the piano.

702
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: The party lasted until dawn. Both dinner and breakfast were served.

703
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: That's a party, yeah, that's a baller club and they

704
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: got a good breakfast.

705
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair did this interview where Dominic Dunn was reminiscing

706
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: with people.

707
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Are oh wow. Quote.

708
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: Jimmy Stewart brought Rita Hayworth, said, Janet de Cordova, Jane Greer,

709
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: mRNA Dell. And I saw Annabella break up with Ty

710
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Power that night, said Audrey Wilder. Lyla Lee came in

711
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: with Howard Hughes. Janet de Cordova said, and Lyla and

712
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: I were both wearing red, and Howard Hughes said, you

713
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: can't both wear red dresses. And he called Howard Greer,

714
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: the designer, and Howard opened up his shop and sent

715
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: over a blue dress for Lila. As my conversations with

716
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: them ended, each woman said, I loved Mike Wow.

717
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: So he's just he just fits in well.

718
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: His life in the glamorous, you know, Hollywood entertaining scene

719
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: is just beginning. Nineteen thirty four, Gergison starred alongside Bob

720
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Hope in the Broadway musical Say When Wait What?

721
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 3: He's with Bob Hope in a Broadway musical.

722
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: Also in thirty four, the New York Times ran a

723
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: story that he was being charged with conspiracy regarding a

724
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: divorce case.

725
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so Edward B.

726
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: Gould hired Gergison to drug and seduce his wife? What

727
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: which would allow Gould to divorce her having to pay alimony?

728
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Why did he think he was the one to drug

729
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: instid Why not?

730
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: You know, to Mike Mike's you know, baby Gurgu is

731
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: like your man in.

732
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: The pocket, exactly home you need him. Mike can't do it,

733
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: missus Gould.

734
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: She had been receiving four hundred and fifty dollars a

735
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: month under a separation agreement, which is an incredible amount

736
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: of This is what the New York Times said. Quote.

737
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: Missus Gould charged that the defendants confederated, with one calling

738
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: himself Prince Michael Romanoff, to place the plaintiff in a

739
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: compromising position which would create the impression that she had

740
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: been guilty of misconduct so that her husband could divorce

741
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: her and the four hundred and fifty dollars would be forfeited.

742
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: The Prince was hired, administered a drug or narcotic to

743
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: the plaintiff, and then took her to an apartment where

744
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: the alleged misconduct was simulated.

745
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 3: So he's now a professional honey track.

746
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Well, the divorce action gets dropped.

747
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: Edward B.

748
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: Gould gets sent to a sanitarium. Thank god, Prince Mike,

749
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: he's ready to move on. When we come back from

750
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: this break filled with very important ads that keep this

751
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: show running free and fun. I'll tell you what Gerg's

752
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: next chapter held. Zarin Elizabeth nineteen thirty nine.

753
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: I remember it well.

754
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: Harry Gurgus, Yes, opened a restaurant right on. Actually, Prince Michael, Dimitri,

755
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: Alexandrovitch Obelenski Romanov opened a restaurant.

756
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: That's not enough names.

757
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: I know whose money did he is?

758
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: I don't know people, I'm tired and I'm high. Lana

759
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: Turner and her husband Johnny stopped close.

760
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: This is who did he get? Lawrence Rockefeller, Alfred Vanderbilt,

761
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin, Carrie Grant, Daryl Zannik, what, Jack Warner.

762
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by.

763
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Caesar Romero and Jock Whitney manymore, a lot of them.

764
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because they're rich and they liked it,

765
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: like just be fooled, I think ultimately. But Xanik, that guy,

766
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: he was like Cagy, you know, like he don't get

767
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: past Darryl Zannik.

768
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: No, and he had but you know, they had big

769
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: money names from both coasts doing big, big money. Baby

770
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: Gurgu opened Romanovs in nineteen thirty nine at three twenty

771
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: six North Rodeo Drive.

772
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: It is insane. It is the story of Romanovs.

773
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: This is nothing today. Roman You'll find out. Okay, so

774
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: today the location is the Salarentz Store.

775
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

776
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: At the time, though, it was a luxurious palace dedicated

777
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: to fine dining, conitial conversation, and celebrities. Ah, the celebrities,

778
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: they'ren So many celebrities.

779
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: I gotta collect them all.

780
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta say it again, so many celebrities.

781
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't emphasize that enough. Mister Confucius was

782
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: the name of Gergison's bulldog, Mister Confucius.

783
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: Mister Confucius not like Senior Confusions. But I know what

784
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: I'm naming my next up. Seriously, I love that.

785
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: Mister Confucius was listed and the telephone book is the

786
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: owner of Romanoce. He sold shares in the restaurant for

787
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: fifty dollars apiece. Okay, and so a lot of people

788
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: figured the restaurant would tank. And those same people said

789
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: that the framed business certificate presented as return for stock

790
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: was a quote landmark in the art of dignified mooching.

791
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: Wow.

792
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Whitney backed the restaurant because he had to

793
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: move some cash around to versify as well. He found

794
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: out that part of his seed money was being used

795
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: to pay dividends to the stockholders, so he sold his

796
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: stake back to Gergison. Yes, opening night, the place was

797
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: a buzz zaren closure. Ayes, I want you to picture it. Yes,

798
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: you're Humphrey Bogart. You're attending the opening night of Romanov's,

799
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: a new restaurant you've invested in.

800
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I love this.

801
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: You walk past the lines of people waiting outside and

802
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: head into the impressive dining room. The walls are mirrored

803
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: and they're enormous. Candelabras smack dab in the middle of

804
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: each table. Diners laugh and chatter as they sip champagne

805
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: down cocktails, nibblon, imported sardines, green turtle soup, sweetbread, a

806
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: La King and frog legs, a real continental menu. All

807
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: of this you're You're seated at table number one, Yes,

808
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: which would become your standing reservation, and every day in

809
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 2: the future you would go there for lunch and order

810
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: two scotch and sodas, an omelet, French toast, milk coffee,

811
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: and a brandy.

812
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 3: I'm so hungry now just hearing my order.

813
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: Here at the opening. One table over is Carry Grant.

814
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: You glance at the menu and you see chicken soufle

815
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: for two dollars and fifty cents. There's no way that

816
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: that tightwad Carry Grant would pay two dollars and fifty

817
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: cents for dinner.

818
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: You chuckle to yourself, that's right, straight on.

819
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Your big break hasn't come yet, but you know it will.

820
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: You've done thirty films so far playing villains as a

821
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: character actor. You made waves with angels with thirty faces

822
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: last year, and you know your stars on the rise.

823
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: You look around the dining room, so many actors, actresses, musicians,

824
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: various swells just living it up.

825
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: You look over at.

826
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: The small swing band playing in the corner. Those guys

827
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: haven't made you think they get to make something everyone

828
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: enjoys and stay anonymous.

829
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: Play it again, shwinging band.

830
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: Your wife is tossing back French seventy five's and chatting

831
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: with the woman next to her. The two of them

832
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: break into cackling laughter. You see movement out of the

833
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: corner of your eye, and you notice Prince Mike dart

834
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: in your way the Mayor d in tow. They rush

835
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: by you and stop next to Cary Grant. In his loud,

836
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: whispered English accent, the Prince hisses at Grant, we don't

837
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: have a cash register. You then hear Grant and the

838
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: Prince go back and forth about the matter. You said

839
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: everything was completely taken care of. Yes, but this is

840
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: just one little thing. Why did I invest in this?

841
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: If you don't know what you're doing, Please you have

842
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: to help. We can't make change for the guests. Okay, fine,

843
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: I'll send my butler to my house. And what help

844
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: would that do. I'm gonna have him bring back a

845
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: big box of cash, and for some reason, I keep

846
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: it at my house a war chest, so to speak. Okay,

847
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 2: that's great, I can get you anything else as I'm there. No,

848
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: no't run really go to the place.

849
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Like you're supposed to do.

850
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: About a half an hour later, Butler screeched up and

851
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Grant's chauffeur driven car and came running in with boxes

852
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: of cash.

853
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: All was well at Romance.

854
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: The restaurant was known for its signature dessert or it's

855
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: like I like to say yes, strawberries Romanov.

856
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh, it said that.

857
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: He said he invented it. Prince Mike said, I invented

858
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: strawberries Romanov.

859
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: He invents a lot of things.

860
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: I believe him, and you know a lot of people

861
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: believe him too. The real story was that it was

862
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: originally created in London by August Escufier, you know, a ghost.

863
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: Call him on Instagram.

864
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're old school from all the same.

865
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: The American version was popularized by Gergison in the US

866
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: of A via his restaurant is that where you.

867
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: Put like you you core a strawberry and you get

868
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: some whip cream. You put that in the cord strawberry

869
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: and then you put them on your finger and you go,

870
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: look at my fingers? Is that what that is?

871
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: Just shove it in, Just shove it right, shove.

872
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: Its strawberry's rose.

873
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: And then you cut into a little jagged Yeah, that's

874
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: exactly what that is. You must have been to Romano.

875
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: It involved cream and then you whip in some ice

876
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: cream because that's not enough cream, and then you serve

877
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: it to someone with blactose and tolerance the Gurgison what

878
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: did he say? Quote everyone has the idea that it's

879
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: a good chef that makes a restaurant. I know of

880
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: no greater fallacy. A restaurant is only as good as

881
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: its owner's personality.

882
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: He's talking about a Kahn con and restaurant. I get it. Whatever.

883
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: Carol Marcus Siroyan Mathow was a debutante who arrived in Hollywood.

884
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: That's an expensive name, uh huh, with fellow debutante pals

885
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Una O'Neill and Gloria Vanderbilt.

886
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: O'Neil, the one who would marry Charlie Chaplin.

887
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: So this is what Carol Marcus Siroyan Mathow said. Quote,

888
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: Mike was the sweetest, nicest man who ever lived. Una

889
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: and I were out here alone when we were about

890
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: six teen or seventeen. We wanted to go to Ronoff's

891
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: to see all the stars. We often went there for lunch.

892
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: We never got a bill. Mike would say, you're too little, Bibis,

893
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: you can have anything you want here. He'd sit down

894
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: with us and ask us where we were going. When

895
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: we told him, he'd sometimes say, oh, no, don't go there,

896
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: or you mustn't see so and so he really cared.

897
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it totally guys who want to hang

898
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: out with sixteen and seventeen year old girls and tell

899
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: them what to do. That's called exactly.

900
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: You know that famous photo of Sophila Ren and Jans

901
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: Mansfield where Loren is like half spelling at Mansfield's overflowing bosom.

902
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, aage on full display taking it.

903
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: Romanovs no, yes, believe me. In nineteen thirty two, MGM

904
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: purchased the movie rights to Gergison's life and it never

905
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: got made.

906
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: I bet not when they realized, like, we cannot fact

907
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: check this.

908
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: Well, it's due in part to the fact that his

909
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: life violated the three unities of drama. Unity of action,

910
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: unity of place, unity of time.

911
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: There's no unit, there is no there's no it's not

912
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: a unity of opposites. You can't even because it's a

913
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 3: push and he just moves.

914
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: He's all over the place. They also couldn't make a

915
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: decent comedic finish to the film because the Hayes Code,

916
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: which prohibited profanity, suggestive nudity, violence, also deemed it necessary

917
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: that transgressors are punished in the final reel.

918
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh definitely, yeah, you can come up.

919
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: In That doesn't happening for old Prince Mike Nope. Later,

920
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: one of Gurgison's oldest friends, French screenwriter and director Harry

921
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: de Rost, He actually wrote an ending for the film

922
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: about Prince Mike. He had it where the Prince turns

923
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: up in Russia and is captured by Soviet soldiers. As

924
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 2: he has led to the firing squad, he's told, if

925
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: only you will say I'm Harry Gergison, you will go

926
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: free and be welcomed as a comrade. The Prince refuses

927
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: with a scornful shake of his head and is executed coblamo.

928
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: Seven times, just like respute.

929
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: There it is. He actually appeared in eighteen movies between

930
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven and nineteen sixty seven, sometimes credited, sometimes not,

931
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: sometimes this as himself, sometimes not. He officially became a

932
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: US citizen by order of Congress in nineteen fifty eight with.

933
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: President Order of Congress.

934
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh, with President Dwight D. Eisenhower signing the bill

935
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: for citizenship.

936
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: Get out of town.

937
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: I will not.

938
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: Ike went for this. Yes, he's like I like this guy.

939
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: Everyone likes I like this guy. I like Mike.

940
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: Well. By the late fifties, though, Romanov's started to lose

941
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: its cluster.

942
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

943
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the new generation of Hollywood celebrities were just over it.

944
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: Branda did not want to go there.

945
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: No, A lot of them weren't comfortable with Gergison's friendship

946
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: with Jay Edgar Hoover.

947
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it a tough one in the fifties.

948
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: They didn't like his sort of ultra conservative stance that

949
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: he had. He was handing out right wing literature with

950
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: his menus, so they're just like open it up and

951
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: it whoa, hey, there's some hate speech.

952
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

953
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: More importantly to celebrities, though, forget the ethics of it.

954
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: The front and back room were like became a competition

955
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: regarding seating. So a lot of times if a patron

956
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 2: was given the table in the back room, they would

957
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: just leave. Everyone wanted to be in the front.

958
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: To be they could be seen.

959
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Gergison, he looks around. My restaurant's not doing well.

960
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to open a second location.

961
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: That's probably the answer. Yes, So he had one failing one,

962
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: why not go for something?

963
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: He needed to get money to open Romanofs too, because

964
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: he's not making it in Romanovs one. So he sent

965
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 2: a telegram to Alfred Vanderbilt.

966
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: I figure it's gonna be Albert Einstein. I don't know,

967
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: Alfred vander all right, need money.

968
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: He's Vanderbilt's on vacation in Hawaii asking if he could

969
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: borrow money. Hey, Alfred on the beach.

970
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: Put down the pineoff for a second.

971
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, coking up? And so this is what happens.

972
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: Though.

973
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: Twenty five thousand dollars was delivered the next morning with

974
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: a note, I'm always pleased to serve my king, Vanderbilt.

975
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 3: Did you hear that sound? That was my brain bending

976
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: being bruised? And wait the moon?

977
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: What my king?

978
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I've hesitated to say it before, but can this

979
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: guy do some trick with his hung I mean, like,

980
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: what is the deal here?

981
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: No, he's just fantastic. Everyone wants to be around someone

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: fantastic and interesting.

983
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: Guess, but I mean, I don't even think Rihannica pulled

984
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: this off. May maybe maybe she is. Maybe that's how

985
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: she got Fandy. I don't know the.

986
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: Move, though. The new restaurant did not improve things. In

987
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, when you Humphrey Bogart pass, things started

988
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: to decline in the new Romanov Empire see Never Fear

989
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra's here. After Bogart died. After you die, Old

990
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: Blue Eyes started inviting Prince Mike to movie shoots and like,

991
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: jaunts are all over the world.

992
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because he the original rat pack was Humphrey

993
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: Bogart's poker game. And then Frank Sinatra gets in as

994
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: a young stars and then.

995
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: This takes Mike with him.

996
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm taking it all. I want you back

997
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: of it. The Russian guy.

998
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: Now that Gerson wasn't at the restaurant, neither were his

999
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: famous friends, so people stopped going. Of course, just Lookie

1000
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: lose up in there, Gergrison. He starts spending more time

1001
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: in Palm Springs, thanks Frank, and he decided to open

1002
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: a third location, Romanovs on the Rocks. The Desert Sun

1003
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: ran a piece in nineteen fifty nine, saying, quote the

1004
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: little guy with a big smile and the Big Menu

1005
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: opened his rock rimmed restaurant last night, with the usual

1006
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: run of who's who on hand to make things festive.

1007
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: One time film extra Mike Romanov unveiled his Romanovs on

1008
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 2: the Rocks with no fanfare, no frills, just the unimpeachable

1009
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: decorum that has marked his restaurants here and in Beverly Hills.

1010
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: The Little Prince made a point of explaining that he

1011
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: had no immediate plans for entertainment in the huge and

1012
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: severe dining room and bar that overlooks the Palm Springs region.

1013
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: The words were scarcely out of his mouth before diners

1014
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: Sammy Kahan and Jimmy van Housen were seated at the

1015
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: Romanovs piano.

1016
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

1017
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I Am not kidding him?

1018
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 3: What the hell these are? Like? Oh my god, I know.

1019
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: It's like a veritable who's Who. Yes, The Desert Sun

1020
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: said he opened another place in San Francis, but none

1021
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: of his restaurants were doing well. All of them closed

1022
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty two. The original closed New Year's Eve

1023
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: nineteen six.

1024
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: I didn't know other one in San Francisco.

1025
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, briefly, probably like five minutes. The restaurant did provide

1026
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: him with an opportunity to meet an actual Romanov. Get

1027
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: out Prince Alexander Romanov said of the occasion, quote, I

1028
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: was taken to the restaurant and all the stars were there.

1029
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: I thought he was exceedingly ugly. We just said a

1030
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: few words to each other. My host has said about

1031
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: me to him. Alexander is a real Romanov, he replied,

1032
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: but I'm the only Mike Romanov. Gergison passed away at

1033
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: good Smaritan Hospital September second, nineteen seventy one.

1034
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: I'm the look on poor Alexander's face when that guy

1035
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: said that to him. He's a Russian road in Hollywood

1036
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: and he's got this guy going.

1037
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: I Am just like rolled his eyes and sniffed.

1038
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: Now.

1039
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: Gergison left no memoir, no based on a true story, film,

1040
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: no documentary. He did, however, become immortalized on page by

1041
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: a biography published in nineteen ninety seven called Romanov Prince

1042
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: of Rogues, The Life and Time of a Hollywood Icon.

1043
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: What's your takeaway, Oh man, I'm surprised that, like, like okay,

1044
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that Humphy Boerger was taken. He came

1045
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: from money. So he's just like all the other Vanderbilt

1046
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: you know. No, he wasn't as wealthy as but he

1047
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 3: was like, you know, mainline Philadelphia money, I think you Yeah,

1048
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: So he could be conned like all of them. But

1049
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: carry Grant was in the circus because he was basically

1050
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: like an orphan on the streets.

1051
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Of London and notoriously stingy and.

1052
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: Notoriously stingy and cunning and all of that that comes

1053
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: with the life of childhood poverty where he's not going

1054
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: to like take something for granted, he's not He will

1055
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: be generous, but he's not going to be a fool, right,

1056
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: So it surprises me that he got so in bed

1057
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: with him and did not sense that something was hinky.

1058
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean that really surprised.

1059
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, I'm guessing he made money while he did, no.

1060
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: But just that even would want to spend so much

1061
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: time around somebody's such an obvious faker when yeah, he

1062
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, he's looked the guy who's known for like

1063
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 3: wanting to do acid early with this therapist because he

1064
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: was always after that truth. You know, he was somebody

1065
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: who was a seeker. So I'm surprised at a seeker.

1066
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. Hoy Boger, I love Boger. You know this,

1067
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: but you know whatever. But like Carrie Grant, I'm like,

1068
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: you got Archibald Leitch. That's ridiculous. Yep, what's yours? Elizabeth?

1069
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 3: You see how I did that? That's how that's done to.

1070
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: No, I'll tell you what my takeaway is, though, I

1071
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: would give anything to have that kind of quality where

1072
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: people just like you, no matter what I can.

1073
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: Tell you, it's a burden. It's just you would hate it.

1074
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: I want to interview more. I interview you more about that.

1075
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: I am so hot and tired in here, I can't speak.

1076
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 2: It is. It is like ninety degrees in this.

1077
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: Story, like just a puddle of guru.

1078
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: I'm total. I'm big gurguru right now.

1079
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: That's it, Okay, I'm done whatever.

1080
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: You can find us online at Ridiculous Crime dot com

1081
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: and we have t shirts if you're into that sort

1082
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: of thing, but I don't know if they're still on there.

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Speaker 2: They're limited time only. Our merchan is a limited time only.

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Speaker 2: We're also at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Leave

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Speaker 2: us a talkback on the iHeart app, reach Out Baby,

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Speaker 2: Tune In Next Time. Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: Duttan and Zarren Burnett, produced and edited by Czar Dave Kusten,

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Speaker 2: Emperor of the Holy Flavortown Empire. Research is by Duchess

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Speaker 2: Marissa Brown and Baroness Andrea Song Sharpen Tear. The theme

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Speaker 2: song is by Romanov's house band Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton.

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Speaker 2: Executive producers are Sophia Loren and Jane Mansfield. Cosplayers Ben

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Speaker 2: Bollen and Noel Brown.

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