1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and seventy two. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: This is going to be our career Mailbag episode, which 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: is airing October eighteenth, twenty twenty two. Those of you 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: who heard our few episodes before this know that Tranquility 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: by Tuesday has been out for a week now, So 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: thank you very much for everyone who got a copy 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: of that. Of people have been sending me pictures, which 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: is great. I love seeing it out in the wild, 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: so thank you for that. We get a lot of 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: great questions at Best of Both Worlds. And you know, 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: longtime listeners know we run one question a week as 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: a segment, but you know, we get more than that, 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: and we would love to do more of these mailbag episodes. 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: So this one is going to be mostly career focused. Yes, 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: we had enough of a build up and we realized 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: that there is a theme to a lot of these questions. 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a timely thing because post twenty twenty and stuff, 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of flux, a lot of job openings, 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: perhaps a lot of people reevaluating their priorities. So I'm 29 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: excited for this episode. Yeah, well, so let's go ahead 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: and dive right in. So we don't have a process 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: for doing this. I guess we'll just sort of altern 32 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: it out. Who reads them and so I can go 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: ahead and read the first one. So this listener writes 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: in that I used to be a working mom, but 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: decided to stay home with my children last year. It's 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: been over a year of this life change, and I'm 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: thinking it's maybe not for me. My kids are now 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: three eighteen months and a baby do in a couple 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: of months. So my question is, have either of you 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: ever wished you had been a stay at home mom? 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Was it ever a question or did you always know 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: you wanted to continue working? Plus any advice for someone 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: in my situation now that you are past the very 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: small child phase. So a note. She told us a 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: little bit more about her career. She had been in accounting, 46 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: but she thinks she wants to change careers because she says, 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: part of the reason I decided to come home was 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: because I not only hated accounting, but she wasn't a 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: big fan of her organization where she had been working either. 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: So she's looking at getting back in the workforce, but 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: is of course concerned about making enough to cover three 52 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: kids in childcare, especially if she is switching careers. So, Sarah, 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: any thoughts, Yeah, what an interesting question. I have to 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: say that personally, I never had any wishes or plans 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: to become a stay at home mom. I had had 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: thoughts about being part time or doing the kind of 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: hybrid I'm doing right now. That had been a fantasy 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: for a really long time, even pre kids. But I 59 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: never had fantasies of staying home for any extended period 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: of time. And I don't know if that's because I 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: chose a career in medicine, and most people don't, you know, 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: go through all of that training, although some do, but 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: most don't. Then and then opt out for a while. 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: The other thing is, after having children, particularly when they 65 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: were small, I had a zero desire to be a 66 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: stay at home mom. I mean, I recognize that saying 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: that runs counter sits to some of our culture. Yes, 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: these days are precious. Yes, my children are beautiful. No, 69 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I did not want to be home with them all day. 70 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm giving you permission that if you 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: feel similarly, then that is okay. And I don't think 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: either of us are terrible people, and I love my children. 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: The irony is well, not irony, that's the wrong use 74 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: of the word. But my kids are older now and 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: us being a quote unquote stay at home mom although 76 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: they're in school for most of the day. So how 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: much of that stay at home mommy is really mommy 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: and how much of it is just me time is 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: more debatable. Would be more appealing to me now, just 80 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: because I enjoy spending time more with like school age 81 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: than I do with toddlers. Again, I almost feel like 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: there's something like, ugh, how could I admit such a thing, 83 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: But there you go. Yeah, I find that fascinating that 84 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you're like, well, of course I love my children, but 85 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, plan to stay home with it, 86 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine a man ever saying that, like, 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: of course I love my children, but I'm still working. 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Like people would be like, well, of course, like you're 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: the man would say, of course I love my children 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: and I'm still working. There would be no butt. Yes, 91 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: there's no butt, I mean, And there's nothing about like 92 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: you loving your kids less or more because you do 93 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: one thing or another. I think that's just an absolutely 94 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: ridiculous framing. But I was actually I enjoyed sort of 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: reading where this question went as it kept going, because 96 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: it was like, I think, what happens a lot with 97 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: people opting out of the workforce. It is not so 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: much the pull of home, although as we've said, kids 99 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: are wonderful. I agree, but it's less that than it's 100 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: that the push out of work. And for various reasons, 101 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: people may wind up in careers they don't like, they 102 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: may wind up in organizations that are not supportive in 103 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: one way or another. And so it's not that, you know, 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: it is that they inherently wanted to be home. It's 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: just that women have a socially acceptable and in some 106 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: cases rewarded, you know, choice when they don't like their 107 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: career and they don't like their organization. They say like, oh, 108 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: well it's going to be best for me to be 109 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: home for a few years with my kids. It was like, well, 110 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: it's great to be home with your kids. It was 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: also that, you know, we had this issue on the 112 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: career side, not so much one being a better choice 113 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: than the other. And I feel like more men would 114 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: do that if it was socially acceptable for them to 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: say I want to come home because they hate their 116 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: job and they can just expect that their spouse will 117 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, pick it up to support them financially, and 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: that everyone will say, oh, that's so great that you're 119 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: doing it. Like I think a ton more men would 120 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: do it if that was, you know, remotely socially acceptable. 121 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we have stay at home dads who listen 122 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: to this, we have people who listen to this, who 123 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: have stay at home partners. It's just they're still going 124 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: against the grain to do it, and so they're making 125 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: a very sort of different choice. And I find that 126 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: whole thing fascinating anyway. So in my case, I mean, 127 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: I love what I do. What I do is very flexible, 128 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: so I don't feel like I've ever been having to 129 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: make particularly harsh trade off. So yes, it's not something 130 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: I've ever considered either. As for the advice for her situation, 131 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: since she was in accounting, she has a couple of 132 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: choices here. I mean, one is that after she has 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: the baby, if she wants to get a job a 134 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: couple months after that as an accountant somewhere, there are 135 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,559 Speaker 1: a lot of places that need accountants, and she could 136 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: totally find a job immediately with her level of experience 137 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: and her skills in another organization that hopefully is much better. Right, 138 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: So if she can identify that it was the organization 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: that she really didn't like, she can walk into a 140 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: job as soon as she wants. And then if you know, 141 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: she could pivot within that organization to something else. I'm 142 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: sure they'd be happy to, you know, promote her into 143 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: general management or whatever in a year or two. So 144 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: that's one option. If she wants to change careers entirely, 145 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: I think you might want to give yourself more of 146 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: a like twelve to eighteen month time frame after you 147 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: would be going back to work, So figure you know, 148 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: your baby is somewhere three to six months old. From 149 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: that point, give yourself twelve to eighteen months to kind 150 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: of get back into it of figuring out what you're 151 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: going to be doing, to launching that, to doing your 152 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: job search. And you know, it's not a huge amount 153 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: of time. She's only been home full time for a year, 154 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: so we're talking, you know, she's going to have like 155 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: two and a half three years out of the workforce. 156 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: It's really not that much, and especially somebody with ten 157 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: years of experience and having these specialized skills. But I 158 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: think that would be more realistic. I don't think it's 159 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: going to be a problem for her to be able 160 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: to cover the cost again if she goes into accounting. 161 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: If she does not, then that's something you're going to 162 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: have to sort of consider, like maybe doing part time 163 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: childcare until you get to that twelve to eighteen month time. 164 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: But we'll see. I wish her a lot of luck, 165 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: and I think it's great that she's realized that she 166 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: wants to do something different. We are all about, you know, 167 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: choosing what goes well. I was just thinking about accounting, 168 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: and while I'm certainly not an expert in that field, 169 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: I can imagine that sort of like medicine, there's a 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: lot of opportunity to go lateral and still be an accountant, 171 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: but do things very differently work for different types of organizations. 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: Maybe you end up training other like I think that 173 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: she's selling herself short by being like, well, that didn't work, 174 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: so I hated it, and that is a dead end. 175 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: So hopefully a little career crafting might go a long 176 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: way as well. All right? Can I read the next one? 177 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Because I like your answer? All right? Question two? How 178 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: do you say no to opportunities that may be good 179 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: for your career but don't feel doable in your current 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: life stage or just aren't objectively possible? So I have 181 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: to admit that the phrasing of this question made be 182 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: a little bit wary. So the question, of course is 183 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: how do you say no to opportunities? And I'm like, 184 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: let's back up a little bit before we get to 185 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: the how to say no part? Why are we saying no? Right? 186 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: If the opportunity excites you like and make me like, ooh, 187 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: I wonder that would be interesting, I think we should 188 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: explore it a little bit more before just saying it 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: is not doable in my life stage. Because I think again, 190 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: women in particular tell ourselves a lot of stories, such 191 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: as if I have a family, I can't move, right, 192 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: that's a big one. If I have a family, I 193 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: can't be in management because it will require longer hours, 194 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: or I won't be able to work from home as often. 195 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that's one. If I take this promotion, that would 196 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: be a problem because I plan to get pregnant in 197 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: the next year. Like, that's another one. Right, There's all 198 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: sorts of stories we tell ourselves, and I'm not sure 199 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: any of those are actually true. What I've seen is 200 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: often if men are given an opportunity that seems like 201 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: a stretch that it will require something, they are often 202 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: asking for more resources. So whether that means, you know, 203 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: what would make it more doable on the workfront? Do 204 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: you need more team members? Right? Do you need a 205 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: bigger budget? Is that something you could negotiate on the 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: home front? What would make it more doable? Is it 207 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: additional childcare? Have you talked to your partner about this, 208 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: because you know, you don't know for sure what this 209 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: person thinks. Maybe they want you to step it up 210 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: so that they can step it down. Maybe they're not 211 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: enjoying their career, Like going back to our first questions, 212 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: So we just don't know until we have hashed it out. Now, 213 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: all that's saying like, if it's absolutely you're not excited 214 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: about the opportunity, then by all means a gracious no, 215 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: the best way to do this is to recommend somebody else, 216 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: because that way you have not only solved your organization's 217 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: problem like ideally found somebody who is excited about it, 218 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: you've also just like gotten somebody else to now be 219 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: someone indebted to you because you've recommended them. So that's 220 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: my answer there. That reminds me so much of our 221 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: episode with Molly Beck, who actually went to a venture 222 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: capitalist incubator program and I think she'd either just had 223 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: her second baby or first. Anyway, it didn't sound doable 224 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: if you were just going to kind of look at 225 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: what people quote unquote normally do. But she absolutely made 226 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: it work and it turned out to be a fantastic 227 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: opportunity for herself, her company, and her family, which has 228 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: now kind of grown around as her career has grown. 229 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: So that, to me is just an example of one 230 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: of those where maybe someone would have decided that that 231 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: was objectively not quote you know, possible, but you know, 232 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe it's not typical, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's 233 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: not possible. Just came to mind when we were talking 234 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: about that. I don't have a lot of other things 235 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: to add accept that. I feel like when you get 236 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: opportunities like this, Noah's absolutely an okay answer, but it's 237 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: worth the analysis. Like this is when you talk with 238 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: your partner about life goals, you talk with your supervisor, 239 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: you talk with a trusted colleague, you journal, you blog 240 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: about it, and I'm just kidding, you know, you put 241 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: out into the world like whether it would actually make sense, 242 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: and then if the answer is no, I love Laura's 243 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: idea of passing it on to a deserving colleague or 244 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: somebody else, because you know, that's just a wonderful way 245 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: to help others, and who knows things we'll come back 246 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: to help you in the end as well. So love that. 247 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: Excellent all right. The next question, how do you celebrate 248 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: a win? So this listener says she's just had a 249 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: work win of sorts and wanted to celebrate. But I 250 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: really have no good ideas and nothing I am enthusiastic about. 251 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: So I guess the champagne and nice meal or big 252 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: purchase item isn't really doing it for her right now? 253 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: She says, I'm in need of some fresh ideas as 254 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: none of my fallbacks are doing the job. Ideally, I 255 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: want something that will partially motivate me to keep up 256 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: the momentum. But that might be asking too much, So Sarah, 257 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: what do we do? This was just great timing because 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I literally was listening to a podcast episode from Michael 259 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: Hyatt's podcast which I think was called Lead to Win, 260 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: but they're changing it to Business Accelerator. I don't know, 261 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: but the topic was and it was this morning, how 262 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: to celebrate your win and why it's important, And I 263 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh, perfect. And what they said is, you know, 264 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: sometimes celebrating can be just It doesn't have to be 265 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: a tangible reward. It can be taking time to allow 266 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: yourself to bask in those happy feelings and take stock 267 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: of what you want to do next in a slow 268 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: and thoughtful way, rather than the mistake which is like, oh, 269 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: well now I have to do XYZ and jumping right 270 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: into your next to do list and like what isn't done? 271 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: Just really like having the mental space to like think 272 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: about what you've achieved. My own personal way of doing 273 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: this tends to be to celebrate with others. I know 274 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned like a meal, not being something you wanted 275 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: to do necessarily, and it doesn't have to be a meal, 276 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: but just like talking about it with Josh, like, oh, 277 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm so excited that, like I'm moving on to my 278 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: next step of the career, and let's talk about what's 279 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: fun about that, or maybe taking your team out to 280 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: lunch or some kind of celebratory event in order to 281 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: kind of celebrate the milestone and also reward those who 282 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: have helped you along the way, because none of us 283 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: do anything in a vacuum anyway, so there are probably 284 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: others that have supported you and probably will celebrate you 285 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: when the time comes as well. So those have been 286 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: my ways. Oh and also to brag to my parents, 287 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: because I mean, even when you're forty two, it could 288 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: be really fun to tell your parents something cool that 289 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: happened at work or that you know something's coming out 290 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: there in the world with your name on it. Awesome. Yeah, 291 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of taking many vacations during the 292 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: work day, Like this is a way to both reward yourself. 293 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean not that you need to have done anything 294 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: awesome to do this, Like feel free anyone, even if 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: you haven't had any recent work wins to take many 296 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: vacations during the day, especially if you have done you know, 297 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: extra hours in another place at some other point. But 298 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: this might be as she's looking for motivation. This can 299 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: often be helpful because it's something that does help boost 300 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: your energy level to do something that would be hard 301 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: to do outside of the workday. So especially you know, 302 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: as we're getting toward fall in many places, it's darker, 303 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, colder outside the hours. So maybe if you 304 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: go for a long walk or a hike or a 305 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: run in the middle of the day, that's something that's 306 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: harder to do after work or you know, before work 307 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: if you're getting kids off to school. But you know, 308 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: taking noon to two to go hike somewhere beautiful could 309 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: be a great way to reward yourself. You know, you 310 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: could go visit a museum, right, take the hours of 311 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: twelve to two to go visit a museum. That's hours 312 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: or nine to four, so you would like never actually 313 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: be able to go to it otherwise, So do that, 314 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, go visit a cool boutique, have a friend 315 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: meet you for a walk or for coffee or something 316 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: like that. But just anything that would be you know, 317 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: a mini vacation during the work day, because that also, 318 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: like it gives you a break and helps boost your 319 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: motivation for the future, in addition to feeling celebratory. So 320 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: let's take a quick ad break and then we will 321 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: be back with more from our career mail bag. All right, 322 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: we are back, and I am going to read question 323 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: number four best practices on how to capitalize on a 324 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: conference visit once it's over, for example, in the days 325 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: after reaching out to people you wanted to talk to 326 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: but couldn't pencil in time to relay, learning with those 327 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: colleagues who couldn't go, or catching up with others later 328 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: to maintain the network. Yeah, I mean, the first thing 329 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: I have to say is, if you do anything, you 330 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: will be ahead of about ninety percent of the people 331 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: who go to any given conference. My general sense, and 332 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: this is from speaking at you know, a vast number 333 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: of conferences in many, many different industries, is a lot 334 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: of people the conference serves sort of a different function, 335 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: and it's exciting and they get fired up while they're there. 336 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: But there's not necessarily a whole lot that always happens afterwards. 337 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: And I really wish there were, because I think people 338 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: who do it really well. Do in fact make time afterwards. 339 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: And one of the best things they do is to 340 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: actually schedule time, like when you're signing up for the conference, 341 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: schedule time immediately afterward for the follow up, so like 342 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: two hours on the workday you get back, where you 343 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: can email all the people you met at the conference 344 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: that you actually liked. Right. You can then also email 345 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the people who you didn't get to catch up with 346 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: while they were there but you heard they were in attendance, 347 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: be like, so sorry I missed you. Let's connect just 348 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: using the occasion when you're right back to cement those ties. 349 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: I would also if you have colleagues who didn't go, 350 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: or even if you did, to set up some sort 351 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: of like lunch and learn for like the friday after 352 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: you get back, so you know, the colleagues who didn't 353 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: go will join you for lunch and you will give 354 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: a presentation on what you took away from the conference. 355 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: And it's not so much that they're going to take 356 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: anything from it. I mean, great if they do, but 357 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: it's that it will cement the learning for you because 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: you're forced to take notes on what you're doing while 359 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: you're at the conference and thinking about how would I 360 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: present this to someone else? And just by doing that, 361 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: you will feel far more accountable for the information you 362 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: are getting simply because you are presenting it. And you know, 363 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: if you have colleagues who did go as well, like 364 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: it's great to have a meeting a couple of days later, 365 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, have that Friday lunch and learn where you 366 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: can all sit around and all share. You know, what 367 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: was the best thing I learned? You know, what will 368 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: I do different if we go to this conference again? 369 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: You can all go around the table and have that, 370 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: And that's just a great way to do that. As 371 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: for network maintenance, I mean, this is just something everyone 372 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: should be doing in general, like reaching out to people regularly, 373 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, every couple of months, anyone that you want 374 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: to keep in your active network. So you know, just 375 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: fold these new people you met into that that you 376 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: email them a couple months later when you find something 377 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: that's related to them, and then when the conference sign 378 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: ups happen the next time, of course, that's an opportunity 379 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: to reach out to and you know, all those people 380 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: you met say hey, are you going again, we'd love 381 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: to see you and so forth. I love it. I've 382 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: definitely done that roundtable post conference before, especially because we 383 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: can't as a team all go to the same conference 384 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because someone has to be back there taking call and 385 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: seeing the patients, so we usually kind of split half 386 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: in half. And for that reason, you know, those who 387 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: go to Endocrine Society will teach us about what happened there, 388 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: and those of us who go to Pediatric in Society 389 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: a separate meeting, by the way, can teach the end 390 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: of Society people what happened there. So you get double duty. 391 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: And I know this wasn't in the question. You asked 392 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: specifically what you can do, and Laura answered it beautifully, 393 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: But I also just want to be I'm like the 394 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: permission slip in this episode, it's okay to mostly just 395 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: treat your conferences like fun and a break. I find 396 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: that like when I go to conferences, I do learn things, 397 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: like I get up to date in certain things, but 398 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway is often just being like excited when 399 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: I go back to work and like more energized and 400 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: happy that I've gotten to connect with other people who 401 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: face some of the same challenges that I do, and 402 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: like it just makes me happy to go back to work. 403 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: Not to mention the fact that I'm often rested because 404 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: I got to sleep in my own room and nobody 405 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: woke me up, and I got to decide my own schedule. 406 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: And so I mean, if this is you, depending on 407 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: what kind of career you have, you can also just 408 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that the conference itself is going to 409 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: have benefits, whether or not you, you you know, put any 410 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: specific efforts into post conference activities. I know it helps me. 411 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I know I've greatly missed going to these kinds of 412 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: conferences over the past couple of years, and I'm very 413 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: excited to be back at them. Excellent, all right, the 414 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: next question, I definitely want to hear Sarah's answer for 415 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: this because I don't have a whole lot of experience 416 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: on this one. Tips for managing shift work. So I 417 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: suspect this person is in medicine and does twelve hour 418 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: shifts three times a week, and she says that I 419 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: am super tired on my first day off whatever she 420 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: has after the shift. But of course, if you're doing 421 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: twelve hour shifts three times a week, a lot of 422 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: your time is the first day off after the shift. 423 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: So I think this listener would like to have more 424 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: of a life despite this shift work. So Sarah, I think, 425 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: what do you recommend? I think, you know, I'm always 426 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: proselytizing planning, but this is one of those instances we're 427 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: planning is just going to pay off so much, not 428 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: only planning what you'd like to do, because you're going 429 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: to have a lot of free time. Honestly, yes, you're 430 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: working very hard. Twelve hour shifts are no joke. I've 431 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: done them. They are you come home and sometimes you 432 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: just stagger home and there's just not much you can do. Plus, 433 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: if you have you listen to this podcast, you may have, 434 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: and so like you're then putting them to bed like 435 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: it's a lot, But it also means there's probably large 436 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: swaths of the week that you have some free time, 437 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: and I understand the instinct to want to use that. Well, 438 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned in your questions down that you're super tired 439 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: on your first day off. Well, I think in your 440 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: planning and I think you should do some specific planning 441 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: here about how you're going to use these days. You 442 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: should make an entire day dedicated to low energy activities 443 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: and restorative activities. And again I don't know how these 444 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: shifts are laid out, but if you're working Monday Tuesday, 445 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: Wednesday or Monday Tuesday Thursday, then maybe like that Wednesday 446 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: in between is just like chillax day, and you are 447 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: going to read like reading, you are going to make 448 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: sure your partner helps you with bedtime, You're going to 449 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: really think about ways that you can actively recover, and 450 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: you're going to think about how you're going to use 451 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: those other days when you are more energized because you 452 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: have purposely taken time to rest to do the other 453 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: things that you want to do. I mean, I think 454 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: back to my residency, and it's a little difficult because 455 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't have the experience of being a resident with children, which, 456 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: as I've mentioned in other episodes, is a whole other 457 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: life ballgame. But I had some pretty crazy weeks, and 458 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: what really helped me was having some fun, RESTful things 459 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: to look forward to on my time off and thinking 460 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: ahead about what I might do in stretches of time 461 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: when I was not as tired and not working. So 462 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: those are kind of my go tos. Yeah, I think, 463 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, it really does depend what these shifts are. 464 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody works seven to seven, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 465 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: that's sort of a different ballgame from seven to seven 466 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: Monday Wednesday Friday. Because if it's Monday Wednesday, Friday and 467 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: she's saying that she's tired her first day off, like 468 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: she's tired the whole week, and then that's a whole 469 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: different issue. You know that you know, might need to 470 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: be addressed in some way or another. But if she's 471 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: working like some overnight shifts for instance, or she's working 472 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know how her place does it. 473 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: But if somebody was working like seven pm to seven am, 474 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: or even like something worse five pm, I don't know. 475 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: It's just however it's being done. And if it's alternating 476 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: tool that could be really rough. And if it is alternating, 477 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: I think you have to get us spread sheet of 478 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: the entire one hundred and sixty eight hours, map in 479 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: your work shifts, and then map in when you sleep, 480 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: because if it's not, you know, you're not sleeping from 481 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: eleven pm to seven am in a regular way like 482 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: you forget, and so then you've got something ridiculous like 483 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: you've worked seven pm to seven am, and then you've 484 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: got something you don't actually care about scheduled for ten 485 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: am the next morning. It's like don't do that to yourself, right, 486 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: Like you need to block in where the sleep is 487 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: if that is the case, if you've got these mixed 488 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: shifts or mostly night shifts or something like that. And 489 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: then just you know, echoing what Sarah said, plan in 490 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: some things that you know you're going to look forward to. 491 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Plan in some energizing fun things so you don't feel 492 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: like you are just working off the exhaustion. And you know, 493 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: obviously twelve hours is a long time. But anything you 494 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: can do to manage your energy during the shift. I 495 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: think that that's you know, consciously using any breaks you 496 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: might have for something rejuvenating. That's always good. Trying to 497 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: eat health like if you can map out what you're 498 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: eating during your shift so it's not all, you know, 499 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: candy bars and coffee and leaving you feeling worse afterwards 500 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: than before, even if it's tempting in the moment. So yeah, 501 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: ideas for that, love it all right. Number six, number 502 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: one tip for managing direct reports. Yeah, so I thought 503 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: it was funny. It's like, you know, those clickbait headlines 504 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: like there's this one weird trick for managing your director, Like, 505 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be awesome if there was something like, if 506 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: you wear red on your employee's first day, everything will 507 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: be great. Now say it, Laura, you've discovered it. That's it, nah, 508 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's it's not rocket science and 509 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: everyone knows this. It's just that you have to communicate 510 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: a lot. And it seems so obvious, but people cannot 511 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: read your mind. So if you want someone to do something, 512 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: you need to tell them what to do, and if 513 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: they do it, and then you want them to do 514 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: it differently, you need to tell them that. And then 515 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: if they are doing a good job on something or 516 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: doing better on something, make sure to tell them that too. 517 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: And you know that's basically it. You know, but it's 518 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: so simple, but it honestly does matter a lot. Yes, well, 519 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I think, as Laura said, like, there's not one thing, 520 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and I think not letting things fester has been a 521 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: big one for me. So when you notice something coming up, 522 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: bringing it up and being proactive about it sooner rather 523 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: than waiting to see if it, you know, fixes itself 524 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: and then being really exasperated when it doesn't and then 525 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: like being sad that you didn't address it earlier. I've 526 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: learned from experience it's better to just, you know, go 527 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: to somebody early and talk about what might be going 528 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: on or what could be done better, or you know, 529 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: what they're thinking about something, and making sure you hear 530 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: their side as well, rather than just like deciding they're 531 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: doing something wrong and they need to fix it and 532 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: just treating everyone with respect. Actually, that would probably be 533 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: my number one tip. Just because someone is below you 534 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: on a corporate hierarchy doesn't make them low you as 535 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: a human in any way, shape or form. So making 536 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: a genuine effort to be just as warm and polite 537 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: with your intern as you would with the CEO will 538 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: take you a long way exactly. All right, So suggestions 539 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: on good leadership and management books, please, Sarah. What have 540 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: you enjoyed reading? I haven't read that many so, I 541 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: mean I have read Crucial Conversations by Kerrie Patterson, and 542 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: there were three other authors that were interesting. I already 543 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: gave a shout out to Michael Hyatt. I guess this 544 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: is his data shine. I enjoy his books as well, 545 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: and there have been a number of them. Yeah, I 546 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: guess you have more experience in this realm. I probably 547 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: need to read more of these books. Well, I mean, 548 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: the one issue is like they come out every couple days, 549 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: so it'd be more frequently. I mean in the business press, 550 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: like some random ceo like writes a book about you know, 551 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: whatever they did, and there's not a ton of them 552 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: that stand the test of time. I think two that 553 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: are just sort of interesting that I've I've read over 554 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: the years, and I want to do a shout out 555 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: just because they are written by women. I really enjoyed 556 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: Tara Moore's Playing Big, and it came out several years ago, 557 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: and it's not so much about leadership per se, but 558 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: it's sort of having a bigger mindset about what you 559 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: can do and the different things and the impact you 560 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: might have by kind of pushing yourself out there doing 561 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: things that are a little bit more scary to you. 562 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: And I think it had a lot of leadership implications, 563 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: even if it's not you know, like those horrible like 564 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: girl bossy type books that have been all over the place. 565 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: In terms of just sheer practicality, I'd recommend Lindsay Pollocks 566 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Becoming the Boss. She's in the past written a lot 567 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: for like millennial audiences, for instance, and so this book 568 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: was aimed at sort of people who were taking their 569 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: first management jobs, and it's a difficult transition to go 570 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: from you know, only dealing with yourself to like actually 571 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: managing a team. And so there's a lot of practical 572 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: tips in that book, so you might want to check 573 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: that out as well. Love it. I may put book 574 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: of those on my reading list. So that's excellent, all right. 575 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: Question number eight a fun one. What would be your 576 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: dream job if you weren't doing what you're currently doing. Yeah, 577 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: I don't think I would be particularly happy doing much else. 578 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, it's like, if I was doing 579 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: something else as a job, I'd be trying to do 580 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: this stuff that I'm doing now on the side and 581 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: the rest of my time. And so that's kind of like, well, 582 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: then I clearly this is what I should be doing 583 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: full time with my time. I mean, there's obviously tweaks 584 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: to nobody's career as perfect. I would probably want to 585 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: expand my writing scope, like to do some more fiction. 586 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: I do want to do that over time. For those 587 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: who watch the Tranquility by Tuesday videos, the in real 588 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: life Tranquility by Tuesday in real life videos that I've 589 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: been rolling out that as this episode comes out, several 590 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: of them will already be out. I really enjoy doing 591 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: those videos as a project. And since I, you know, 592 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: paid for the production, hired a production company and did, 593 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: it's obviously something I could do more of. This is 594 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: not reliant on anyone else to make it happen, and 595 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: so I could do more of those, you know, pivot 596 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: into some more video with that. But those are those 597 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: are tweaks from my current job. They're not departures. So yeah, 598 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: I can't really think of anything else i'd probably want 599 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: to be doing. This was just such a fun one 600 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: to think about, so thank you for submitting the question. 601 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I do feel like I've hit a sweet spot in 602 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: what I'm currently doing, especially now I get to write, 603 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I get to speak, I get to see patients, I 604 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: get to learn medicine, I get to work with colleagues. 605 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: Like I love what I'm doing. But then I also reflected, 606 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, I bet I would love a 607 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. I mean, as long as it's something 608 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: where I get to be creative, I get to work 609 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: with people. I probably could find some silver lining. I 610 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: always have been interested in psychology, and I could imagine 611 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: having gone that route probably would have been really fun 612 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: for me, especially maybe something in like child side, because 613 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: I like kids and teens. I have this also fantasy. 614 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: My grandfather was like an advertising executive who wrote slogans 615 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: and commercials and stuff, and I've always been like, oh, 616 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the mad Men life, Like, how cool would that have been? Yeah, 617 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's not too late. Who knows. Yeah, So yeah, 618 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of jobs that probably fit lots of 619 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: people rather than like one magic fit. And I tell 620 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: this to my residence because you know, it's like everything 621 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: seems so high stakes when you're choosing, but the truth is, like, 622 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, you rule out what really doesn't fit you, 623 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: which you know has plenty of stuff, but then there's 624 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: probably a lot of things left over that are going 625 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: to meet some of your needs, and then you can 626 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: career craft and tweak and kind of get to your 627 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: sweet spot. So really fun question. Thanks for letting us 628 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: think about that. Excellent And then we wanted to end 629 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: this episode with an update from a listener, Sarah, do 630 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: you want to read this one? Sure? I wanted to 631 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: send an update. Can't believe it's been a year and 632 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: a half. I am happy to report that I am 633 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: in a great new role that is allowing me to 634 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: work from home permanently and is a step up from 635 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: where I was before. It is a hard I think 636 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: we should back up exactly what was the original? Was 637 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: the original? We answered this question on the podcast. Sorry, 638 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: I thought I was just re I'm in the reading 639 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: questions mode right now. We had a question on the 640 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: podcast about somebody who wasn't super happy. I think her 641 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: particular organization was really not allowing to her to be flexible, 642 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: and we encouraged her to think outside the box and 643 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: value herself and look for other options, including a place 644 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: that would let her, you know, work from home if 645 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: that was something that she was interested in. And then 646 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: we got this happy update. Okay, I won't read all 647 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: that again, but she writes, I am happy to report 648 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm in a great new role that is allowing me 649 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: to work from home permanently and is a step up 650 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: from where I was before. It is a whole new 651 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: challenge in a great way and has really invigorated my 652 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: attitude and career. Your advice to simply make some phone 653 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: calls and explore is exactly what I did, and I 654 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: ended up getting my new role through one of those 655 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: phone calls, taking the pressure off and taking my time 656 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: with some low key phone calls was very educational and 657 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: it was great to reconnect with old friends and colleagues. 658 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention that I worked with a 659 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: therapist to help me get unstuck, and that was incredibly 660 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: helpful to help me let go of my limiting beliefs. 661 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: For example, I can't have an interesting job and care 662 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: for my kids at the same time, among many others. 663 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: That was a key piece in being really ready for 664 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: a new challenge. I also think that limiting Beliefs could 665 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: be a great podcast episode. While we did kind of 666 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: touch on those early in this episode, so maybe we'll 667 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: have to go even deeper. So, oh my gosh, this 668 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: made me so happy. She said our podcast was inspirational, 669 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 1: and she offered us to share share in our episode, 670 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: which we're doing right now. And this is what makes 671 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: this podcast so much fun. I love hearing these stories. 672 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: It is it's so true, and honestly, I think she 673 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: just needed to hear from people that it's like, you 674 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: are allowed to make phone calls. Like, you know, if 675 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: you're not happy in your job, there is nothing that 676 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: says that you need to stick with it. You don't 677 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: have to like there's a million jobs out there, and yes, 678 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: there may be bad issues in everyone, but if you 679 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: are genuinely unhappy with something or there's something that's not challenging, 680 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: you can just see what's out there. There's no commitment 681 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: or anything. You were just having conversations with people, So 682 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: call people, you know, you know, reach out, have some 683 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: more coffees, and you know, lots of people are trying 684 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: to hire these days, so it's not surprising that these 685 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: conversations led to some opportunities that, once she investigated, seemed 686 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: a lot better than what she was currently doing. So 687 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about that too, And if anyone else 688 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: is finding them in the situations or themselves in this situation, 689 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm feeling stuck or like, yes, I 690 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: hate my job and whatever, X, Y and Z, but 691 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: at least I can you know, see my kids in 692 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: the afternoon. Well guess what, there are other jobs where 693 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: you'll be able to see your kids in the afternoon too, 694 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: And they might pay better, they might have more flexibility, 695 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: they might be more exciting, you might like the people more. 696 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, most people don't wind up absolutely optimizing 697 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: their jobs, like they're not in the you know the 698 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: absolute perfect thing. I mean, Sarah and I just said, 699 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: we really like our jobs right now, but there's lots 700 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: of things that can be improved, and so sometimes that 701 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: can happen within your job, and sometimes it means trying 702 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Since absolutely fine to do. So than glad 703 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: to hear that. So if anyone else has you know 704 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: something a move they've made after hearing some advice on 705 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: this podcast, we would absolutely love to hear that, So 706 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: please let us know. So our love of the week, 707 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: I was going to do home office related stuff. I 708 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: love being able to use my printer as a copier. 709 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that sounds like, of course, like 710 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: why wouldn't it be able to do that, but I 711 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: mean they didn't, you know, for a while. And my 712 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: phone as a scanner, which is another thing, like not 713 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: having to deal with USB sticks, like going back and 714 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: forth between like a scanner and then putting it on 715 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: my computer. I'm just being able to scan with your phone. 716 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, how brilliant like this is. Home office tech 717 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: is just so much better than it used to be. 718 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: And I mean I was we applied for two of 719 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: the kids passports recently and you had to make copies 720 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: of everything and just being able to do it right 721 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: there at my desk was so easy. Love it. Well, 722 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: I will just piggyback on your love and say that 723 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: I love using Apple Notes to store scans that I 724 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: might need to use multiple times. For example, my kids' 725 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: medical forms. When I get that, I scan that straight 726 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: in there because I know I'm gonna need to send 727 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: it to camp and to school into this, into that, 728 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: And like having it in one easy place where I 729 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: don't have to search in my Gmail or in my 730 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: scanning app is amazing. So love Apple Notes for a 731 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: filing cabinet to dump pdapps and other graphics where you 732 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: can find them easily. Yeah, that's a great tip right there, 733 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: by the way, just to save the medical form somewhere 734 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: that they can easily be uploaded and not have to 735 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: go track them down every single time. All right, Well, 736 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. This has been 737 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: our career Mailbag episode. We will be back next week 738 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: with more on making work in life fit together. Thanks 739 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox 740 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, 741 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 742 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 743 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 744 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: life work together out of