WEBVTT - The Real How Jack the Ripper Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant. I love England. Yeah, we're partying outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the Britannia Pub. It's Saturday September alright, Chu, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little funny in my modern clothes, but everyone

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<v Speaker 1>seems to accept us. Yeah, they're pretty wasted, Chuck, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've noticed yet. Yes, uh we uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>came back here because we're about to stumble upon the

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<v Speaker 1>second victim of Jack the Ripper, and please don't hold

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<v Speaker 1>it against us. Part of our contract for use of

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<v Speaker 1>the way back machine, so we can't actually prevent any

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<v Speaker 1>historical occurrence from happening. Right. Doc Brown says that we

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<v Speaker 1>could not prevent the crime, so we won't even try. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 1>uh sorry Annie Chapman, but uh it sounds like here

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<v Speaker 1>we go, Chuck. Did you hear that. Yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>end of Annie Chapman. Let's get over there. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to yes, crime scene? Uh number two? Okay, let's run

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<v Speaker 1>over Chuck. Hang back, man, let the cops do their work.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to show you a couple of things. Why,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, are we at victim number two and

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<v Speaker 1>not victim number one? Well, victim number one was the

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<v Speaker 1>one that kicked all kicked off the canonical murders. But

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Chapman, who whose dead body we're looking at right

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<v Speaker 1>now is um she's she her wounds and what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to her is much more characteristic of Jack the Ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of wanted you to get an impression.

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<v Speaker 1>I am impressed. Then, Yeah, some bad things happen to

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<v Speaker 1>this poort today. Okay, hang back, Chuck, let's let the

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<v Speaker 1>let's let the cops do their work. They're they're starting you.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to show you a couple of whiles

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<v Speaker 1>to spare with me for a second. Yeah, it's pretty bloody, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a there's actually a lot of detail, Um

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<v Speaker 1>that these investigators are eventually going to pick up one

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<v Speaker 1>which will be in an m O. Should you suggest

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<v Speaker 1>something at this point or do you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>hang back? I think we should hang back. But um

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that, um this is any Chapman. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>casual prostitute. Yea. Um, now what does that mean? It

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<v Speaker 1>means that she she made ends meet by engaging in prostitution.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sorry, by the way, miss Chapman's a bad

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<v Speaker 1>standing here like this, but yeah, it's true though. UM

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<v Speaker 1>So if you'll notice, Chuck, she's on her back and

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<v Speaker 1>her um her she she's been bled out of her

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<v Speaker 1>throat unfortunately. Yeah. But one thing I want you to notice,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is going to become a uh I guess

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<v Speaker 1>characteristic of the Ripper murder. Sure calling card if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure her legs. Do you see how they're been at

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<v Speaker 1>the knee. They're arched up and then they're laying off

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<v Speaker 1>to the side. Yea, it looks like some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>childbirth thing. Actually have a theory about that, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>too later. Theory. Okay, yes, all right, Well that's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much all I wanted you to see. These guys are um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're witnessing an exercise and futility. These guys are

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<v Speaker 1>never going to figure out who did this. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like she's been cut up pretty good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to get out here? You Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>feeling queasy. All right, Well, let's get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>They could just be the mead, all right, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to the way back machine. Chuck. Okay. So Chuck, how

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel? Uh? Nauseous, a bit hungover? You

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<v Speaker 1>look sober as day. Yeah, yeah, that's frightening. Yeah. So, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that was Annie Chapman. Yeah, it was um. And she

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<v Speaker 1>is the second of what they call the canonical murders

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<v Speaker 1>or the Ripper murders, right, yeah, the White Chapel murders. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the fall of from August thirty one to

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<v Speaker 1>November nine, there were five murders um that are among

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<v Speaker 1>the grizzlier murders ever committed in Great Britain, possibly anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were other murders, but these are attributed to

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<v Speaker 1>one Jack the Ripper. Yes, that's right, Chuck. Um, these five,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, the canonical murders, uh, at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and throughout history since then, these five are definitely attributed

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<v Speaker 1>using m O and UM, comparing the bodies, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, which we'll get into later. It's possible that

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<v Speaker 1>there are other murders UM. In particular, there was one

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was murdered on August seven, remember the first one, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>Maryanne Paulie Nichols was murdered on August thirty one, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's possibly yet another first victim named Martha Tabrum, who

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<v Speaker 1>was a murdered prostitute. Uh, and he may have um

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<v Speaker 1>started practicing on her. Hers was a little less precise

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<v Speaker 1>than you'll remember Annie Chapman's was, right, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>so so she she The reason people think that she

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<v Speaker 1>might be an extra ripper murder um is that her

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<v Speaker 1>legs were spread, if you'll notice that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>in the childbirth position. Uh, most of the women, if

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<v Speaker 1>not all, of the canonical murders were found like that

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<v Speaker 1>a theory and that we'll get to that though. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So chuck um London, let's talk about the backdrop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>London's East End at the time very poor, extremely poor,

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<v Speaker 1>and um the pubs were open all night and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of alcoholism, a lot of disease, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of opium. As you know, it's not a very pleasant

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<v Speaker 1>place to be. No, it's not um, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>families trying to make it here. Again, it's it's mainly

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<v Speaker 1>just poverty. Yeah, a lot of like you said, casual prostitution.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of that going on, just to

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<v Speaker 1>make ends me absolutely. One of the things that makes

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<v Speaker 1>the Ripper murders stand out so much is that this

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<v Speaker 1>this they weren't the only people that we murdered. There

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<v Speaker 1>was some really brutal crimes committed around that same time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a great place to be, no, but it really

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<v Speaker 1>says something about the Jack the Ripper murders and the

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<v Speaker 1>grip that it had on the people um in London's

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<v Speaker 1>East End Um that they stood out against this backdrop,

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<v Speaker 1>this horrible, bleak, violent backdrop, and in a way actually

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<v Speaker 1>people have later on talked about how it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>exposed this dirty secret of the poverty in London and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of brought it to light more so than anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else could at the time. Yeah, I think the murder

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<v Speaker 1>I think George Bernard Shaw, the playwright, said that Jack

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<v Speaker 1>the Ripper Um succeeded where social reformers had failed by

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<v Speaker 1>shining a spotlight on the living conditions in London's Easton.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one way to do it. Yeah, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of other impacts. He was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of firsts in a lot of ways. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit. Well, let's go over the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>the canonical victims. Chuck, Okay, how much detail you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go into here, because it is grizzly, as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you'd like, but as much as you can stomach. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the first, like you said, was Maryanne Polly Nichols, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's forty four. She was an alcoholic, like most of

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<v Speaker 1>her cohort victims. Yeah, that was definitely a m The

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<v Speaker 1>the common thread for all the women is that they

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<v Speaker 1>were either drunk at the time or were known to

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<v Speaker 1>love the liquor. Right, And the other through line there

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<v Speaker 1>is that they were all known to be prostitutes, at

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<v Speaker 1>least casually here and there, And a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>suspect that Jack, you know, he some people thought he

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<v Speaker 1>may have like hated prostitutes, but it was probably just

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<v Speaker 1>an easy mark. A drunk hooker sure would be an

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<v Speaker 1>easy person to kill at five thirty in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>in London. Definitely it's actually a drunk hooker in need

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<v Speaker 1>of money and need exactly. Yeah. So, uh so Polly

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<v Speaker 1>was the first one. She was killed at about or

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<v Speaker 1>she was found at three in the morning. Yeah, severe

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<v Speaker 1>lacerations in her throat and further incisions and uh to

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<v Speaker 1>her neck and violent lacerations to her abdomen, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>her um a lot like Martha Tabroum. She was stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>I think thirty nine times to her abdomen. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all slightly different, I noticed. But if you look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you start with Martha tab Roam and go

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to his last known victim, Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Kelly, it's almost like a pro You can see

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<v Speaker 1>the progression. First it's all just rage, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes much more methodical after he gets more uncomfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing. True, So we talked about Annie as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We witnessed Annie. Yeah. Uh. Then I think next was

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Stride, Lizzie Stride. She's forty five and um, she

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<v Speaker 1>was drunk at the time. She also engaged in casual

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<v Speaker 1>prostitution and UM, but she was seeing alive um refusing

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<v Speaker 1>a proposition right, and she also was seen speaking with

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<v Speaker 1>a man and holding a parcel with in like a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper parcel. Yeah, this man pops up several times actually

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<v Speaker 1>in the canonical murders. Yeah, the shabby genteel that was

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<v Speaker 1>actually yes, um So, she's last seen at twelve thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five am on Sunday, September, and five minutes later she's

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<v Speaker 1>found in UH, a dark alley off Burner Street called

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<v Speaker 1>Dutfields Yard. Her legs are very familiarly by now pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up to her toward her body, knees in the air spread,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a krichief tied around her neck. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but she interestingly was not mutilated, which suggests to historians

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<v Speaker 1>that he may have been interrupted before he could complete

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<v Speaker 1>his whole thing right, And they definitely think he was

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<v Speaker 1>interrupted because about an hour or so later, another ripper

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<v Speaker 1>victim turns up, Katherine ETOs. She was forty six and

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<v Speaker 1>she was a heavy drinker as well, but she was

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent and educated. And actually I just read a thing

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<v Speaker 1>last week where they just discovered, Yeah, the census records,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, just like a week ago, revealed some of

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<v Speaker 1>these UH people for the first time in their backgrounds

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<v Speaker 1>weren't as grizzly as you might have thought a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them were smart and had families and right, but like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>uh what was her name, Annie Chapman's daughter dying broke

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<v Speaker 1>up the family they had. Yeah, they had. When you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about him, you think, oh, engaging casual prostitution, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're drunks. They were obviously idiots, you know. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>these these people had actual, real lives, um, and real

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<v Speaker 1>things happened to them that led them to these these

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<v Speaker 1>points where they were murdered by the ripper. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>also that that's a really good point, Chuck, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for us to put ourselves into that situation

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<v Speaker 1>of what it was like at the time. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>these were real people dying in really brutal ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it was it had a real impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the collective psyche of the people who lived in London.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're talking um paranoia, mobs forming. Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you a little story about a guy named Squibby. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a man named Squibby. He used to have run

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<v Speaker 1>ins with the police. He was tattooed from head to

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<v Speaker 1>toe is how they described it. And Squibby, Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go see him, Chuck, Yeah, let's go see Squibby.

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<v Speaker 1>See him. Yeah, he's a weird looking little guy in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not make eye contact with Squibby, Chuck, you will

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<v Speaker 1>punch you in the face just as soon as look

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<v Speaker 1>at you. Okay, Well, Squibby is tattooed from head to toe.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a short little guy, but real stocking and strong,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Glenn Danzing Uh and he um he

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<v Speaker 1>has run ins with the police routinely. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of detectives who were down um in uh White

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<v Speaker 1>Chapel around the time of the Ripper murders. By this

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<v Speaker 1>time that the public had been whipped up into a

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<v Speaker 1>frenzy and um, they knew Squibby by site. Obviously he's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty notable guy. Uh. And they had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>truncheons each, each one at a trunch and they started

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<v Speaker 1>chasing Squibby. Uh. And this crowd apparently who had gathered

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<v Speaker 1>outside of a think Um Catherine at Oos murder Um

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<v Speaker 1>saw the police chasing Squibby and just immediately assumed that

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<v Speaker 1>it was Jack the rippers. So this huge mob formed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're running through the streets after Squibby and and

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<v Speaker 1>the police actually they were chasing him because they figured

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<v Speaker 1>it was the Ripper and they were going to kill him. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>they get Squibby to the police station, and the mob

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<v Speaker 1>just throngs the station and stays for like several hours

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<v Speaker 1>until they finally realized it wasn't Jack the Ripper. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just some guy that's good stuff. Yeah it was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, while we're here, Um, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>just fast forward a few Yeah, mine, since we have

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<v Speaker 1>the way back, when can you do this one more time?

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<v Speaker 1>I will be there blindfolded and you can just describe

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<v Speaker 1>it to me. All right. Well, Chuck, listen, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go into a place called Miller Court. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment house. Uh. It's about um ten forty five in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, and a rent collector has just found the

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<v Speaker 1>body of Mary Jane Kelly. Yeah, because he ran screaming

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<v Speaker 1>from the apartment like we should be doing right now. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just just steal yourself, Chuck the courage many. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>We're we're gonna wait for the cops to show up,

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<v Speaker 1>because um, well this is hands down the worst, uh

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<v Speaker 1>the worst mutilation of any of his victims. Yeah, because

0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.520
<v Speaker 1>she's clearly inside here, the only one that's inside. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he had a little more time to get busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh right, yeah, uh, And I didn't bring you back

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<v Speaker 1>here just to make you vomit, Chuck, Okay, this is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this crime scene and of itself is very

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<v Speaker 1>important as far as Jack the Ripper goes, and as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the murders go. Right, how so, Well, for one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's evidence that an ax was used on this poor lady, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is unusual for Jack the Ripper, But he also

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of He used a lot of surgical

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<v Speaker 1>precision and removed organs and in chunks of flesh and

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of disgusting things. Is you you okay? Yeah,

0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.320
<v Speaker 1>it looks like her face almost has been removed. Here

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<v Speaker 1>all right over here, buddy, the cops are coming. Okay, okay,

0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:29.280
<v Speaker 1>well watch watch right? Did someone just take a photograph? Good? I, Chuck,

0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.960
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly why I wanted you to see this up.

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<v Speaker 1>That is arguably the first crime scene photograph ever taken

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of human kind. Yeah, and it's pretty

0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:41.800
<v Speaker 1>it turned out pretty grainy. But if you ever see

0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it and you're aware of what happened to Mary Jane Kelly,

0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty disturbing photograph. Like if you're just looking

0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.480
<v Speaker 1>at it, it's the you see what the guys working with.

0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not like the most high tech camera around. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a sketch artist over there too, there's gotta be

0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. But what we're witnessing right here

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<v Speaker 1>is the culmination of, uh, this string of murders. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the last canonical murder as far as anybody knows,

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<v Speaker 1>that is definitively attributed to Jack the Ripper. Well in

0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.640
<v Speaker 1>most people's minds. So you want to you want to

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<v Speaker 1>take off pale, you look a little green. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>just feel like we should say before we go, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, I see body parts under her head

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<v Speaker 1>and on the side table, Yes you do. Why did

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<v Speaker 1>he do that? Uh? He was a sick Oh he

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<v Speaker 1>was Jack the Ripper. Yeah there there you go, right there.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get out of here, buddy. Then what the

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<v Speaker 1>cop just kind of looked over at us. Yeah, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go, So, Chuck, we now have the canonical victims.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen two of them. We've talked about the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of them. There were some other ones that's that are possible. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the Whitehall mystery victim, headless, limbless torso that was

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<v Speaker 1>found actually in the basement of Scotland Yard as it

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<v Speaker 1>was under construction, um on October two, which is actually

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<v Speaker 1>within the timeframe of the Remember murders. But um, they

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<v Speaker 1>never said that this one is remember And there was

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<v Speaker 1>a one body found in New York actually that people

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<v Speaker 1>think that Jack the reper might have fled England, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why the murders stopped in London and then uh

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<v Speaker 1>did a little handiwork there in New York City. It's possible,

0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and there's actually a suspect who who was there at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the murder of Carrie Brown a k a.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Shakespeare as she was named because she used to

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<v Speaker 1>love to get drunk and quote Shakespeare sonnets. That's nice

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<v Speaker 1>until she died, right, Um, So there are actually plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of other ones that are were never definitively attributed to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But so let's just stick with the five possibly six

0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.880
<v Speaker 1>canonical murders we talked about that, right, So chuck another

0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.920
<v Speaker 1>we have the five bodies. Um, we can put together

0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.320
<v Speaker 1>what's known as a modus operandi A K A and

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<v Speaker 1>m O and a k A. By the way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>for also known as his m O Josh. He struck

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<v Speaker 1>in the early hours. He struck on weekends, which Chuck wise,

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<v Speaker 1>is significant well because it would lead the detectives to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that he probably had a was a regular guy

0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and had a regular workday job, and was probably single

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<v Speaker 1>because because he wouldn't have aroused suspicion from the wife

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<v Speaker 1>by leaving it, you know, all hours of the evening

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<v Speaker 1>and Chuck, that's that. That also kind of sounds like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe his wife is loyal. No. People were neighbors were

0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.760
<v Speaker 1>turning in neighbors for suspicious activities, saying my neighbor's jack

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<v Speaker 1>ripper um. People were going absolutely not so they think

0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that he was single or else somebody would have come

0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 1>for and been like, my husband's been going out and

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<v Speaker 1>coming back with blood on his clothes on the night

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ripper murders. I have a theory that he

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<v Speaker 1>was previously married and his wife couldn't give him a child.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think. That's where the childbirth positions came up. Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends has just turned into a budding ripparologist. I'm

0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>proud of you. Thank you. Other clues Josh, he h

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<v Speaker 1>strangle all but one of his victims initially that was

0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the method of death. UM. And then he would um

0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>put the throat. He would cut their throat and remember

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>he cut from left to right because he was like

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<v Speaker 1>right handed, and he would he would kneel on the

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<v Speaker 1>victim's right side and cut so that the blood spurted

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<v Speaker 1>away from him and largely drained out of the carotid artery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my ideas, he probably led them out so when he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing all his handiwork, he wouldn't get sprayed and

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<v Speaker 1>there wouldn't just be blood everywhere. So right now, that

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<v Speaker 1>that suggests number one, a working knowledge of anatomy. Um

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<v Speaker 1>number two, somebody who is clever and doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get caught. That's a huge one. UM. Back in White Chapel,

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<v Speaker 1>uh And during this time the police were working on

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<v Speaker 1>the theory that he was clearly a raving madman. And

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it was actually a really bad time to be insane

0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>in White Chapel because a number of people were just committed.

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<v Speaker 1>They be picked up during police drag nets and taking

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<v Speaker 1>do insane asylums for the rest of their lives. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>The police spent a lot of time in Whitechapel, chasing

0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:15.679
<v Speaker 1>squibby um corralling the insane and interviewing suspects, and modern

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:20.440
<v Speaker 1>forensic investigators today believe that Scotland Yard or the Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 1>Police probably interviewed the Ripper at some point but let

0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.320
<v Speaker 1>them go because they were looking for somebody crazy and

0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't think that Jack the Ripper was. They called

0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.439
<v Speaker 1>them frightening lee normal today. Yeah exactly, so Chuck, what

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.560
<v Speaker 1>are some other clues? Well they into and oh six

0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.040
<v Speaker 1>they Scotland Yard actually put together a physical description that's

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand six, just a few years ago. Uh they

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<v Speaker 1>reckoned he was between twenty five and thirty five, medium height,

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<v Speaker 1>stocky and a resident of Whitechapel and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>very much normal. And uh in the FB I actually

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<v Speaker 1>did a psychological profile. This is the case that just

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<v Speaker 1>won't die. Oh no, I mean ripparologists. It's I literally

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>looked the other day and there were four or five

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.920
<v Speaker 1>new possible suspects within the past like year that people

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<v Speaker 1>are still naming. Who will get to in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we will. And um, let's talk about the FBI profile.

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<v Speaker 1>Special Agent John Douglas is who did this. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he was opportunistic like you. Yeah, like you said, I

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<v Speaker 1>just say that I'm an opportunistic killer, right, Like, like

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I said, with the drunk prostitutes being a pretty easy mark, right,

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.359
<v Speaker 1>they also think that Well. Douglas also suggests that, um,

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 1>he was a lust killer, which is not to be

0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.159
<v Speaker 1>confused with any level of sexuality. Yeah, he did not

0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.560
<v Speaker 1>have sex with any of these women. No, but some

0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 1>people do think it's possible that Jack the Ripper was

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<v Speaker 1>a cannibal, and possibly that some of the stuff he

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>took along with, um, all right, weren't just trophies but

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>were food as well. Oh wow, Actually there's a letter

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<v Speaker 1>called from the from Hell letter, the controversial from Hell letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there are a lot of letters. Um, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a couple of hundred, from what I understand, sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the cops, sent to the press. All the way

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<v Speaker 1>up until the nineteen sixties, they were still getting letters

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<v Speaker 1>from the right, right. Um. A couple of women were

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<v Speaker 1>actually prosecuted for fraud for writing um, fake Jack the

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Ripper letters. Um, there was there was one letter out

0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of these many hundreds that a lot of ripporologists today

0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>believe actually was written by Jack the Ripper. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Dear Boss letter, dear boss, I'll keep on hearing

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the police have caught me, but they won't fix me

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.639
<v Speaker 1>just yet. I have laughed when they look so clever

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and talk about being on the right track. I joke

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<v Speaker 1>about leather apron gave me real fits. I am down

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<v Speaker 1>on horse and all shot. Quit ripping them till I

0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>do get buckled. Grand work. That last job was I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get the lady no time to score wheel? How can

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<v Speaker 1>they catch me now? I love my work and I

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>want to start again. You will seem hear of me

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.679
<v Speaker 1>in my funny little games. I'll save some of the

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>proper red stuff and a ginger beer bottle over the

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<v Speaker 1>last job to write with, but it went picklock blue

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and I can't use it. Red ink is fit enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope the next job I do, I shall clip

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies ears off and send to the police officers

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<v Speaker 1>just for jolly. Wouldn't you keep this letter back until

0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I do a bit more work and give it out straight.

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<v Speaker 1>My knife is so nice and sharp. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to work right away if I get a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck yours, truly, Jack the ripper, don't mind me

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 1>giving the trade name PS wasn't good enough to post

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>this before I got all the red ink off my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Curse it. No luck as yet they say, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor now and chuck. One of the reasons why this

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 1>letter is so significant. Number one, it's the letter that

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 1>gave um the name Jack the Ripper to the killer.

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And number two, um it made a reference to taking

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a piece of his next victim's ear. Right. Well, that

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:25.359
<v Speaker 1>letter was received September and on septem Catherinetto's was found.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Remember she was the second victim in the same night,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of her ear was removed. Now wasn't published

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>before that it was, which I mean you could you

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>can definitely take that as evidence that what that the

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Ripper read about it and decided to take the ear.

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>But because there there's a historian this was actually this

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>year he wrote a book is named Dr Andrew Cook,

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and he thinks that there were a bunch of different killers.

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>And he actually, uh allegedly says that Frederick Best was

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.719
<v Speaker 1>a reporter for the Star newspaper and he said he

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>forged the Dear Boss letter. Really yes, he said he

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>forged it, invented the name Jack the Ripper to uh

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>sell newspapers because there were a new startup newspaper and

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 1>they were about to close their doors, and their sales

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>just like went through the roof after this letter. So

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what he alleges there. There are also a lot

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of Ripper oologists believed that none of the letters um

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.360
<v Speaker 1>were written by Jack the Ripper, and that they were

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 1>all pretty much made up by the press or made

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>up by crazy people or whatever. But none of that

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the letters were written by Jack the Ripper is another

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 1>way to look at it, right, And he uh unearthed

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>interview given by a guy named Percy Clark, and he

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>was the assistant police surgeon in Whitechapel, and he said, quote,

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them.

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I would not say he did the others. And then

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>another senior investigating officer said the same thing that he

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't think that the last victim, that Kelly, was a

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>victim of the Ripper, but a copycat killer as well,

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>who knows. Yeah, well that's the point though, isn't it.

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like if if if you're looking for one

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 1>murderer on Dreden hundred and twenty years on, UM, that's

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>difficult enough. Imagine looking for three or five killers twenty

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>years on One of the other reasons why this is

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 1>this case will likely never be solved is a lot

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence has just gone Um. They investigated Jack

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the Ripper for three years and then finally closed the

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>case as unsolved, and around the time and probably before then, UM,

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>cops working the case or cops that had access to

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the evidence room just took evidence as souvenirs from mentos UM.

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I believe a lot of the records, if not all,

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the records were destroyed in a fire, um or destroyed

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>because they had reached their shelf life of being kept

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 1>as as records. So I mean, there's there's really not

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of evidence anymore now. And you know, this

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>was clearly a different day they they would have caught

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>him today, probably pretty easily. Maybe that's what I think

0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it's possible. So let's talk about some of the suspects. Well,

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>there's more than a hundred that have been named throughout

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the years. I've read a hundred and seventy different people

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>named a suspect. Well, and there's it looks like three

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>or four new ones a year now still, so right,

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>do you want to talk about the most recent one? Man? Uh? Yeah,

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>there was a discovery Channel show. Uh, it was on

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>last week where a historian name my Trow used modern

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>forensics and he identified one Robert Man and this one. Actually. See,

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. Anytime I read like I thought Walter

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Siccret was after hearing that Cornwall lady talk about secret being. Well,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to him. But my point is, any time

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I've I've seen a show or special, I come away thinking, oh,

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 1>well that was Jack the Ripper and make a real

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>convincing argument. Yeah. Um. I went on casebook dot org um,

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>which I wrote how Jack the Ripper works, the article

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that we based this podcast on. Um, And I defer

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>humbly to the people who run and go on face

0:26:55.800 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>or casebook dot org um entirely different. If your interest

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>has been the least bit piqued by this, I I

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>strongly recommend well number one going to housetuf first dot

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>com to read the article, but then number two going

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to case books because they have everything right. So um,

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I went onto casebook to see what they thought of Man,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, like the the the I don't think

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 1>the documentary had even premiered yet, and everybody had read

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the Man's book. Um, and we're just tearing him apart,

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>which coincidentally is the second book to be titled Case Closed. Yeah,

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 1>which I think is pretty funny. Everyone says I found

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>it case Closed. And ripparologists don't take very kindly to

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing. They these these people are amateur historians,

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 1>amateur criminologists, um, all rolled into one, and they just

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>this is just what they do. Uh, and a lot

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>once in a while somebody will come along and do

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>some research, write a book and slap case Closes on

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the title, and they do not like that. Well, let's

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>let's go over man real quick. Uh. He was a

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:04.479
<v Speaker 1>morgue attendant in Whitechapel. He was a an inmate at

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>a prison when he ran the More, or he was

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>an attendant at the More. He was he was in

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>charge of receiving bodies I think, yea, specifically the bodies

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.479
<v Speaker 1>of the people that they believe he killed three of them.

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And uh, interestingly, well they say damning Lee in this article.

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>He he actually undressed Polly Nichol's body with his assistant,

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 1>and he was under strict orders not to do anything

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 1>like that. And a lot of people say that this

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>is why, you know, he may have been trying to

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>admire his his handywork there, show it off to his buddy.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think somebody made a point on casebook that

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>this would probably be the first time that the body

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>revisited the killer rather than the other way around. The

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>problem with Man that I, as I understand it was

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>that he was an inmate in a prison. Pretty much

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>as simple as that. Even with a tremendous amount of

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>freedom that he might have had with a job, he

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>would have still had that job at the isn't could

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>he have just come and gone as he pleased, um,

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>to go murder women, especially on weekends. So um, I

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>think that was the biggest problem that I ran across

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>with Man. And also his testimony was discounted at the

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>time because his boss basically said this man is prone

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to fits and his he's not to be believed. But

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>modern what the forensic psychologist at Liverpool University said in

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>terms of psychological profiling, he's one of the most credible

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>suspects from recent years and the closest we may ever

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>get to a plausible psychological explanation. So who knows? Once again,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>case closed? But is it so now Cornwall? Yeah, let's

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>get to Cornwall. She had a particularly um, let's say,

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>difficult relationship with reparologists. Yeah, they don't like her, and

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>good reason. She plamed Walter Sickert. He was a painter,

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>very famous painter at the time, and he was known

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>for painting nudes of women. Who were they butchered or

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>were they just depends on your interpretation, wide open for interpretation.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Some people said they were dead women, dead nude women.

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at like, what's the one painting

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Camden Town Murder. Yeah, it's called the Camden Town Murder

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's a naked woman on the bed and there's

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 1>a man sitting on the edge of the bed with

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>his hands in his face, and he looks like he's

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>overcome with guilt for just murdering the woman. But what

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>is the alternate title of that painting? What shall we

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>do for rent? Was the was the alternate title, which

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>if you look at it through those eyes, it could

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>be a depressed man and his wife. You know she

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>was naked, sure, but who wasn't. And uh, from what

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I understand about Walter sicker I would not put it

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>past him, um to be fully aware that he was

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>toying with the public with stuff like this. Then enjoying it,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't necessarily mean he was a murder. Um

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Cornwell was one of the ones who titled her bookcase

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>close um. And she apparently strode into the world of

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>reparology a fairly arrogantly, one could say, um. And she

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>used to I guess on her book to her lecture

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to her. When the book was released, it was heavily

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>attended by ripporologists who were looking to rip her a

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>new one um, and she did not like them one bit.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>She compared them to trek eas Um, very demeaningly and uh.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>She also it came out that during the course of

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>researching the book, she purchased a secret painting for a

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>substantial amount of money so she could tear it apart

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to look for clues. She found nothing, and the curator

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of a major secret collection in London called her monstrously

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>stupid for doing that. So I was always amused by that. Yeah,

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>she kind of hung her case on. She collected h

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>M d NA mitochondrial DNA, and she was able to

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>rule out comparing it to the letters that were sent

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Um that of of the people could not have been responsible,

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.239
<v Speaker 1>but Walter Sickert could have, and the other thing with

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the mitochondrial DNA is. She'll tout that the people are excluded.

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't really point out that that's still left about

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand other people that could have been the murder.

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>She made it sound like everyone but Walter Sickert has

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>been absolved. Well. On the other side, Walter Sickert was

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>very well known as a prolific writer of letters to

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the editor, right, um, and so he very well may

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>have written a ripper letter. But that's a huge leap

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 1>in logic to say that he wrote a ripper letter.

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So he he was so chuck. My money's not on

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Walter Sickert. Um. And he's not the only famous person

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to be named as a suspect. Lewis Carroll, Yeah, was

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>suggested as a suspect. I don't think by any any

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of the police. No, they pulled they supposedly pulled anagrams

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>from some of his books that everyone else is like,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>come on, um. Prince Albert Victor was thought to be

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe some diabolical madman and the the went mad with syphilis.

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes that's what they say, yeah, um. And the entire

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>royal family has been implicated in another theory, The Freemasons

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the Freemasons. Can't forget them. They're implicated in everything, aren't they. Um.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>But then there's some lesser known people who usually actually

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>make better suspects than you know, the entire royal family, Right, Chuck,

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I would say so, and they actually would. They end

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>up naming officially three suspects in the actual case before

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>they closed it. Right. Police commissioners Sir Neville McNaughton UM

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>wrote in eight eighty nine who he thought the three

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>best suspects were in In his final report, he wrote, UM,

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he named Michael Ostrog, a Russian physician and convicted thief,

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Montague John Drewett, who was a physician um and who

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>was found drowned in the Thames uh the December after

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the murders, And Aaron Kasminski, who was an insane man

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>um and these were mcdalton's three top picks. UM. Unfortunately,

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>probably not. Michael Ostrog was found in two thousand two

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in a book by Philip Sugden UH that he was

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>actually in police custody during the time of the murders

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>in Paris. Um. Montague John drew It possibly UM if

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>he died in December, that would definitely explain why the

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>murders ended suddenly. And then Aaron Kasminski, Um, he was

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he was in He was crazy, but he wasn't violent

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>at all. Um. And most people don't think it was him.

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say most people. There are some that probably

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 1>think it's him, but I don't personally. My money instead

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>is on Severing Klazowski. George Chapman, Alright, why do you

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>think he did it? Well, let me retract that he's

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough about it to say that he is.

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>He's my leads huspect from the people I know of

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>he's he's my lead suspect. He was a man who

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>had a nasty little habit of poisoning his wives, and

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.439
<v Speaker 1>he did it to three of them after the Ripper murders. Uh.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.720
<v Speaker 1>He was finally caught on the third one because somebody

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>finally figured out, Hey, this guy's wives are in no

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>way related to one another, and yet they keep dying

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>from this mysterious illness. And they um, they found that

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>he had poisoned one, exhumed the other two, and he

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>was convicted of all three. Uh. And this was in

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the United States, but he'd been living in Whitechapel at

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the time. During the murders. Um he had a he

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>was trained as a physician, UM and he moved to

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>America and lived in New Jersey at the time that

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>that one New York possible Ripper murder took place. So

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the the big question is, if Klausowski was the guy,

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>why would he change his m o so drafted drastically

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>from butchering women to reasoning lives. That's I don't think

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>anyone's ever switched gears like that. But out of all

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>of them, out of all the Ripper suspects, he's the

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>only one that has been convicted of three murders. He's

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the only known serial murderer in the bunch, which is

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>why my my money's on him. That's a good one.

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Who's your favorite? I like them, Robert Man, That makes sense.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>That's that's who my money's on. That's I think there's

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you said. A hundred hundred and seventies suspects have been named,

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and again, if you're interested in this, go onto casebook.

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 1>They have detailed descriptions of every single suspect. But let's

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about the legacy left by the Ripper Chuck, Yeah,

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was it was probably the first crime

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>scene photo ever taken. Yeah, it was the first big, um,

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I think, international murder case that was known throughout the world.

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It was the first case of symbol the now well

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>known symbiotic relationship between a serial murderer and the press,

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>where the press gives the serial murder um, you know,

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>infamy that that he or she requires, uh, and then

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the serial killer gives the press, you know, fodder for articles.

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 1>And I think further uh, I think the Zodiac killer

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>sent letters to the editor and that became kind of

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a thing for serial killers to do later on. Yeah. Um,

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>and this is one of the first times that comparing

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the bodies to establish an m O it has been

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>used basically. Um. You can argue that the the um

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 1>all modern forensic techniques started kind of piecemeal, but they

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>all started with the Ripper murders. I would agree with that, right.

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And like we said before them Ripper murders shown a

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>light on the living conditions in the East End of London,

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>uh and led to real change. I think sanitation was

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>introduced largely. Um. There is a lot more interest in

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the plight of the poverty stricken than there had in before.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And Chuck also, there's clearly a pretty big legacy left

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>behind in the form of ripparologists, um countless TV shows, movies,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>UM from Hell from Hell. That was. That was unsettling.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a video game coming I heard and

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Jack the Ripper is going to be a superhero that

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>fights demons. Yeah, he's a he's actually an anti hero,

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but he's misunderstood the killings were it was it demons

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>or vampires, both all manner of EMPs and lesser demons.

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, and there's a conference every year, right,

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's every year, but um, this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it was just last week in London, first time

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<v Speaker 1>they ever had it in London, and they rented a

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<v Speaker 1>pub for the entire weekend. So that's that. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>an awesome conference so far. Yeah, they have speakers and

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<v Speaker 1>from seven to eleven every night is entertainment and disco

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<v Speaker 1>disco Jack the Ripper Conference Disco. So that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice way to end this, an upbeat way to

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<v Speaker 1>end this, which, if you consider it, is highly ironic

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<v Speaker 1>because this definitely are grizzliest podcast yet. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get any more grizzly. Yeah, so obviously We did

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<v Speaker 1>this one for Halloween, so I have a safe and

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<v Speaker 1>who Jack the Ripper might be, and if it's not

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