1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: from how Stuff works dot com. You've heard the rumors before, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: perhaps and whispers written between the lines of the textbooks. Conspiracies, 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: paranormal events, all those things that disappear from the official explanations. 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Tune in and learn more of this stuff they don't 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: want you to know in this video podcast from how 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: Stuff works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W. 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. I love England. Yeah, we're partying outside of 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: the Britannia Pub. It's Saturday September alright, Chu, Yeah, I 12 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: feel a little funny in my modern clothes, but everyone 13 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: seems to accept us. Yeah, they're pretty wasted, Chuck, and 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: I think they've noticed yet. Yes, uh we uh, we 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: came back here because we're about to stumble upon the 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: second victim of Jack the Ripper, and please don't hold 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: it against us. Part of our contract for use of 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: the way back machine, so we can't actually prevent any 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: historical occurrence from happening. Right. Doc Brown says that we 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: could not prevent the crime, so we won't even try. Yeah, so, 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: uh sorry Annie Chapman, but uh it sounds like here 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: we go, Chuck. Did you hear that. Yeah, that's the 23 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: end of Annie Chapman. Let's get over there. You want 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: to yes, crime scene? Uh number two? Okay, let's run 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: over Chuck. Hang back, man, let the cops do their work. 26 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: But I just want to show you a couple of things. Why, 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: by the way, are we at victim number two and 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: not victim number one? Well, victim number one was the 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: one that kicked all kicked off the canonical murders. But 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Annie Chapman, who whose dead body we're looking at right 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: now is um she's she her wounds and what happened 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: to her is much more characteristic of Jack the Ripper. 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted you to get an impression. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: I am impressed. Then, Yeah, some bad things happen to 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: this poort today. Okay, hang back, Chuck, let's let the 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: let's let the cops do their work. They're they're starting you. 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: I just want to show you a couple of whiles 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: to spare with me for a second. Yeah, it's pretty bloody, um, 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: but there's a there's actually a lot of detail, Um 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: that these investigators are eventually going to pick up one 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: which will be in an m O. Should you suggest 42 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: something at this point or do you just want to 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: hang back? I think we should hang back. But um 44 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: noticed that, um this is any Chapman. She was a 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: casual prostitute. Yea. Um, now what does that mean? It 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: means that she she made ends meet by engaging in prostitution. 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, by the way, miss Chapman's a bad 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: standing here like this, but yeah, it's true though. UM 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: So if you'll notice, Chuck, she's on her back and 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: her um her she she's been bled out of her 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: throat unfortunately. Yeah. But one thing I want you to notice, 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: and this is going to become a uh I guess 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: characteristic of the Ripper murder. Sure calling card if you will. 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: Sure her legs. Do you see how they're been at 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: the knee. They're arched up and then they're laying off 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: to the side. Yea, it looks like some sort of 57 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: childbirth thing. Actually have a theory about that, we'll get 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: too later. Theory. Okay, yes, all right, Well that's pretty 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: much all I wanted you to see. These guys are um, 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: we're we're witnessing an exercise and futility. These guys are 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: never going to figure out who did this. But yeah, 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: it looks like she's been cut up pretty good. Yeah, 63 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: so you want to get out here? You Okay, I'm 64 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: feeling queasy. All right, Well, let's get out of here. 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: They could just be the mead, all right, let's get 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: to the way back machine. Chuck. Okay. So Chuck, how 67 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: how do you feel? Uh? Nauseous, a bit hungover? You 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: look sober as day. Yeah, yeah, that's frightening. Yeah. So, Chuck, 69 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: that was Annie Chapman. Yeah, it was um. And she 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: is the second of what they call the canonical murders 71 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: or the Ripper murders, right, yeah, the White Chapel murders. Right. 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: So in the fall of from August thirty one to 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: November nine, there were five murders um that are among 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: the grizzlier murders ever committed in Great Britain, possibly anywhere. 75 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: And there were other murders, but these are attributed to 76 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: one Jack the Ripper. Yes, that's right, Chuck. Um, these five, 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: as we said, the canonical murders, uh, at the time 78 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: and throughout history since then, these five are definitely attributed 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: using m O and UM, comparing the bodies, that kind 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: of stuff, which we'll get into later. It's possible that 81 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: there are other murders UM. In particular, there was one 82 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: woman who was murdered on August seven, remember the first one, UM, 83 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: Maryanne Paulie Nichols was murdered on August thirty one, So 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: it's possibly yet another first victim named Martha Tabrum, who 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: was a murdered prostitute. Uh, and he may have um 86 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: started practicing on her. Hers was a little less precise 87 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: than you'll remember Annie Chapman's was, right, Yeah, I think 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: so so she she The reason people think that she 89 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: might be an extra ripper murder um is that her 90 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: legs were spread, if you'll notice that, like you said, 91 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: in the childbirth position. Uh, most of the women, if 92 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: not all, of the canonical murders were found like that 93 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: a theory and that we'll get to that though. All right, 94 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: So chuck um London, let's talk about the backdrop. Yeah, 95 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: London's East End at the time very poor, extremely poor, 96 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: and um the pubs were open all night and uh, 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of alcoholism, a lot of disease, a lot 98 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: of opium. As you know, it's not a very pleasant 99 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: place to be. No, it's not um, but there are 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: families trying to make it here. Again, it's it's mainly 101 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: just poverty. Yeah, a lot of like you said, casual prostitution. 102 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: There was a lot of that going on, just to 103 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: make ends me absolutely. One of the things that makes 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: the Ripper murders stand out so much is that this 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: this they weren't the only people that we murdered. There 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: was some really brutal crimes committed around that same time. Yeah. 107 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: Not a great place to be, no, but it really 108 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: says something about the Jack the Ripper murders and the 109 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: grip that it had on the people um in London's 110 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: East End Um that they stood out against this backdrop, 111 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: this horrible, bleak, violent backdrop, and in a way actually 112 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: people have later on talked about how it sort of 113 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: exposed this dirty secret of the poverty in London and 114 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: kind of brought it to light more so than anyone 115 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: else could at the time. Yeah, I think the murder 116 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I think George Bernard Shaw, the playwright, said that Jack 117 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: the Ripper Um succeeded where social reformers had failed by 118 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: shining a spotlight on the living conditions in London's Easton. 119 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: That's one way to do it. Yeah, and he had 120 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: a whole lot of other impacts. He was a lot 121 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: of firsts in a lot of ways. We'll talk about 122 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: that a little bit. Well, let's go over the victims, 123 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the canonical victims. Chuck, Okay, how much detail you want 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: to go into here, because it is grizzly, as much 125 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: as you'd like, but as much as you can stomach. Well, 126 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: the first, like you said, was Maryanne Polly Nichols, and 127 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: she's forty four. She was an alcoholic, like most of 128 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: her cohort victims. Yeah, that was definitely a m The 129 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: the common thread for all the women is that they 130 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: were either drunk at the time or were known to 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: love the liquor. Right, And the other through line there 132 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: is that they were all known to be prostitutes, at 133 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: least casually here and there, And a lot of people 134 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: suspect that Jack, you know, he some people thought he 135 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: may have like hated prostitutes, but it was probably just 136 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: an easy mark. A drunk hooker sure would be an 137 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: easy person to kill at five thirty in the morning 138 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: in London. Definitely it's actually a drunk hooker in need 139 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: of money and need exactly. Yeah. So, uh so Polly 140 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: was the first one. She was killed at about or 141 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: she was found at three in the morning. Yeah, severe 142 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: lacerations in her throat and further incisions and uh to 143 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: her neck and violent lacerations to her abdomen, which makes 144 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: her um a lot like Martha Tabroum. She was stabbed 145 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: I think thirty nine times to her abdomen. Yeah, they're 146 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: all slightly different, I noticed. But if you look at it, 147 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: especially if you start with Martha tab Roam and go 148 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: all the way up to his last known victim, Mary 149 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Jane Kelly, it's almost like a pro You can see 150 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: the progression. First it's all just rage, and then it 151 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: becomes much more methodical after he gets more uncomfortable with 152 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: what he's doing. True, So we talked about Annie as well. 153 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: We witnessed Annie. Yeah. Uh. Then I think next was 154 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Stride, Lizzie Stride. She's forty five and um, she 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: was drunk at the time. She also engaged in casual 156 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: prostitution and UM, but she was seeing alive um refusing 157 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: a proposition right, and she also was seen speaking with 158 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: a man and holding a parcel with in like a 159 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: newspaper parcel. Yeah, this man pops up several times actually 160 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: in the canonical murders. Yeah, the shabby genteel that was 161 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: actually yes, um So, she's last seen at twelve thirty 162 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: five am on Sunday, September, and five minutes later she's 163 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: found in UH, a dark alley off Burner Street called 164 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: Dutfields Yard. Her legs are very familiarly by now pulled 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: up to her toward her body, knees in the air spread, 166 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and she has a krichief tied around her neck. Yes, 167 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: but she interestingly was not mutilated, which suggests to historians 168 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: that he may have been interrupted before he could complete 169 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: his whole thing right, And they definitely think he was 170 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: interrupted because about an hour or so later, another ripper 171 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: victim turns up, Katherine ETOs. She was forty six and 172 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: she was a heavy drinker as well, but she was 173 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: intelligent and educated. And actually I just read a thing 174 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: last week where they just discovered, Yeah, the census records, 175 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: I believe, just like a week ago, revealed some of 176 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: these UH people for the first time in their backgrounds 177 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: weren't as grizzly as you might have thought a lot 178 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: of them were smart and had families and right, but like, um, 179 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: uh what was her name, Annie Chapman's daughter dying broke 180 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: up the family they had. Yeah, they had. When you 181 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: talk about him, you think, oh, engaging casual prostitution, and 182 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 1: we're drunks. They were obviously idiots, you know. But no, 183 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: these these people had actual, real lives, um, and real 184 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: things happened to them that led them to these these 185 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: points where they were murdered by the ripper. Um. And 186 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: also that that's a really good point, Chuck, because it's 187 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: really hard for us to put ourselves into that situation 188 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: of what it was like at the time. Um. But 189 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: these were real people dying in really brutal ways, and 190 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: at the time it was it had a real impact 191 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: on the collective psyche of the people who lived in London. 192 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking um paranoia, mobs forming. Yeah, let 193 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 1: me tell you a little story about a guy named Squibby. Okay, 194 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: there's a man named Squibby. He used to have run 195 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: ins with the police. He was tattooed from head to 196 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: toe is how they described it. And Squibby, Um, you 197 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: want to go see him, Chuck, Yeah, let's go see Squibby. 198 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: See him. Yeah, he's a weird looking little guy in it. 199 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: Do not make eye contact with Squibby, Chuck, you will 200 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: punch you in the face just as soon as look 201 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: at you. Okay, Well, Squibby is tattooed from head to toe. 202 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: He's a short little guy, but real stocking and strong, 203 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of like Glenn Danzing Uh and he um he 204 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: has run ins with the police routinely. There are a 205 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: couple of detectives who were down um in uh White 206 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Chapel around the time of the Ripper murders. By this 207 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: time that the public had been whipped up into a 208 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: frenzy and um, they knew Squibby by site. Obviously he's 209 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: pretty notable guy. Uh. And they had a couple of 210 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: truncheons each, each one at a trunch and they started 211 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: chasing Squibby. Uh. And this crowd apparently who had gathered 212 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: outside of a think Um Catherine at Oos murder Um 213 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: saw the police chasing Squibby and just immediately assumed that 214 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: it was Jack the rippers. So this huge mob formed, right, 215 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: and they're running through the streets after Squibby and and 216 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: the police actually they were chasing him because they figured 217 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: it was the Ripper and they were going to kill him. Finally, 218 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: they get Squibby to the police station, and the mob 219 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: just throngs the station and stays for like several hours 220 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: until they finally realized it wasn't Jack the Ripper. It's 221 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: just some guy that's good stuff. Yeah it was. Yeah, 222 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: So Chuck, while we're here, Um, do you want to 223 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: just fast forward a few Yeah, mine, since we have 224 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the way back, when can you do this one more time? 225 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: I will be there blindfolded and you can just describe 226 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: it to me. All right. Well, Chuck, listen, we're going 227 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: to go into a place called Miller Court. It's an 228 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: apartment house. Uh. It's about um ten forty five in 229 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: the morning, and a rent collector has just found the 230 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: body of Mary Jane Kelly. Yeah, because he ran screaming 231 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: from the apartment like we should be doing right now. Well, 232 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: let's just just steal yourself, Chuck the courage many. Um, 233 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: We're we're gonna wait for the cops to show up, 234 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: because um, well this is hands down the worst, uh 235 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: the worst mutilation of any of his victims. Yeah, because 236 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: she's clearly inside here, the only one that's inside. So 237 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: I guess he had a little more time to get busy. 238 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: Huh right, yeah, uh, And I didn't bring you back 239 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: here just to make you vomit, Chuck, Okay, this is uh, 240 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: this is this crime scene and of itself is very 241 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: important as far as Jack the Ripper goes, and as 242 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: far as the murders go. Right, how so, Well, for one, 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: there's evidence that an ax was used on this poor lady, Yeah, 244 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: which is unusual for Jack the Ripper, But he also 245 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: did a lot of He used a lot of surgical 246 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: precision and removed organs and in chunks of flesh and 247 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of disgusting things. Is you you okay? Yeah, 248 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: it looks like her face almost has been removed. Here 249 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: all right over here, buddy, the cops are coming. Okay, okay, 250 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: well watch watch right? Did someone just take a photograph? Good? I, Chuck, 251 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly why I wanted you to see this up. 252 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: That is arguably the first crime scene photograph ever taken 253 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: in the history of human kind. Yeah, and it's pretty 254 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: it turned out pretty grainy. But if you ever see 255 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: it and you're aware of what happened to Mary Jane Kelly, 256 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: it's a pretty disturbing photograph. Like if you're just looking 257 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: at it, it's the you see what the guys working with. 258 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: It's not like the most high tech camera around. Sure, 259 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: there's a sketch artist over there too, there's gotta be 260 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But what we're witnessing right here 261 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: is the culmination of, uh, this string of murders. This 262 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: is the last canonical murder as far as anybody knows, 263 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: that is definitively attributed to Jack the Ripper. Well in 264 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: most people's minds. So you want to you want to 265 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: take off pale, you look a little green. Well, I 266 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: just feel like we should say before we go, if 267 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I see body parts under her head 268 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: and on the side table, Yes you do. Why did 269 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: he do that? Uh? He was a sick Oh he 270 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: was Jack the Ripper. Yeah there there you go, right there. 271 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: So let's get out of here, buddy. Then what the 272 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: cop just kind of looked over at us. Yeah, seriously, 273 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: let's go, So, Chuck, we now have the canonical victims. 274 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: We've seen two of them. We've talked about the rest 275 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: of them. There were some other ones that's that are possible. Um, 276 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: there's the Whitehall mystery victim, headless, limbless torso that was 277 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: found actually in the basement of Scotland Yard as it 278 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: was under construction, um on October two, which is actually 279 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: within the timeframe of the Remember murders. But um, they 280 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: never said that this one is remember And there was 281 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: a one body found in New York actually that people 282 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: think that Jack the reper might have fled England, which 283 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: is why the murders stopped in London and then uh 284 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: did a little handiwork there in New York City. It's possible, 285 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: and there's actually a suspect who who was there at 286 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: the time of the murder of Carrie Brown a k a. 287 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Old Shakespeare as she was named because she used to 288 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: love to get drunk and quote Shakespeare sonnets. That's nice 289 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: until she died, right, Um, So there are actually plenty 290 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: of other ones that are were never definitively attributed to them. 291 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: But so let's just stick with the five possibly six 292 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: canonical murders we talked about that, right, So chuck another 293 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: we have the five bodies. Um, we can put together 294 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: what's known as a modus operandi A K A and 295 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: m O and a k A. By the way, it's 296 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: for also known as his m O Josh. He struck 297 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: in the early hours. He struck on weekends, which Chuck wise, 298 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: is significant well because it would lead the detectives to 299 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: believe that he probably had a was a regular guy 300 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: and had a regular workday job, and was probably single 301 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: because because he wouldn't have aroused suspicion from the wife 302 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: by leaving it, you know, all hours of the evening 303 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: and Chuck, that's that. That also kind of sounds like, well, 304 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: maybe his wife is loyal. No. People were neighbors were 305 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: turning in neighbors for suspicious activities, saying my neighbor's jack 306 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: ripper um. People were going absolutely not so they think 307 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: that he was single or else somebody would have come 308 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: for and been like, my husband's been going out and 309 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: coming back with blood on his clothes on the night 310 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: of the Ripper murders. I have a theory that he 311 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: was previously married and his wife couldn't give him a child. 312 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's where the childbirth positions came up. Chuck, 313 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: my friends has just turned into a budding ripparologist. I'm 314 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: proud of you. Thank you. Other clues Josh, he h 315 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: strangle all but one of his victims initially that was 316 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: the method of death. UM. And then he would um 317 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: put the throat. He would cut their throat and remember 318 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: he cut from left to right because he was like 319 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: right handed, and he would he would kneel on the 320 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: victim's right side and cut so that the blood spurted 321 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: away from him and largely drained out of the carotid artery. Yeah, 322 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: my ideas, he probably led them out so when he 323 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: was doing all his handiwork, he wouldn't get sprayed and 324 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: there wouldn't just be blood everywhere. So right now, that 325 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: that suggests number one, a working knowledge of anatomy. Um 326 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: number two, somebody who is clever and doesn't want to 327 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: get caught. That's a huge one. UM. Back in White Chapel, 328 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: uh And during this time the police were working on 329 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: the theory that he was clearly a raving madman. And 330 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: it was actually a really bad time to be insane 331 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: in White Chapel because a number of people were just committed. 332 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: They be picked up during police drag nets and taking 333 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: do insane asylums for the rest of their lives. UM. 334 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: The police spent a lot of time in Whitechapel, chasing 335 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: squibby um corralling the insane and interviewing suspects, and modern 336 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: forensic investigators today believe that Scotland Yard or the Metropolitan 337 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 1: Police probably interviewed the Ripper at some point but let 338 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: them go because they were looking for somebody crazy and 339 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: they don't think that Jack the Ripper was. They called 340 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: them frightening lee normal today. Yeah exactly, so Chuck, what 341 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: are some other clues? Well they into and oh six 342 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: they Scotland Yard actually put together a physical description that's 343 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: two thousand six, just a few years ago. Uh they 344 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: reckoned he was between twenty five and thirty five, medium height, 345 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: stocky and a resident of Whitechapel and like you said, 346 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: very much normal. And uh in the FB I actually 347 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: did a psychological profile. This is the case that just 348 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: won't die. Oh no, I mean ripparologists. It's I literally 349 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: looked the other day and there were four or five 350 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: new possible suspects within the past like year that people 351 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: are still naming. Who will get to in a minute, 352 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: Yes we will. And um, let's talk about the FBI profile. 353 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: Special Agent John Douglas is who did this. He said 354 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: he was opportunistic like you. Yeah, like you said, I 355 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: just say that I'm an opportunistic killer, right, Like, like 356 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: I said, with the drunk prostitutes being a pretty easy mark, right, 357 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: they also think that Well. Douglas also suggests that, um, 358 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: he was a lust killer, which is not to be 359 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: confused with any level of sexuality. Yeah, he did not 360 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: have sex with any of these women. No, but some 361 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: people do think it's possible that Jack the Ripper was 362 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: a cannibal, and possibly that some of the stuff he 363 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: took along with, um, all right, weren't just trophies but 364 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: were food as well. Oh wow, Actually there's a letter 365 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: called from the from Hell letter, the controversial from Hell letter. 366 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there are a lot of letters. Um, there 367 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: were a couple of hundred, from what I understand, sent 368 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: to the cops, sent to the press. All the way 369 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: up until the nineteen sixties, they were still getting letters 370 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: from the right, right. Um. A couple of women were 371 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: actually prosecuted for fraud for writing um, fake Jack the 372 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: Ripper letters. Um, there was there was one letter out 373 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: of these many hundreds that a lot of ripporologists today 374 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: believe actually was written by Jack the Ripper. It's called 375 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: the Dear Boss letter, dear boss, I'll keep on hearing 376 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: the police have caught me, but they won't fix me 377 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: just yet. I have laughed when they look so clever 378 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: and talk about being on the right track. I joke 379 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: about leather apron gave me real fits. I am down 380 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: on horse and all shot. Quit ripping them till I 381 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: do get buckled. Grand work. That last job was I'll 382 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: get the lady no time to score wheel? How can 383 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: they catch me now? I love my work and I 384 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: want to start again. You will seem hear of me 385 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: in my funny little games. I'll save some of the 386 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: proper red stuff and a ginger beer bottle over the 387 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: last job to write with, but it went picklock blue 388 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: and I can't use it. Red ink is fit enough. 389 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I hope the next job I do, I shall clip 390 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: the ladies ears off and send to the police officers 391 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: just for jolly. Wouldn't you keep this letter back until 392 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: I do a bit more work and give it out straight. 393 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: My knife is so nice and sharp. I want to 394 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: get to work right away if I get a chance. 395 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: Good luck yours, truly, Jack the ripper, don't mind me 396 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: giving the trade name PS wasn't good enough to post 397 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: this before I got all the red ink off my hands. 398 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Curse it. No luck as yet they say, I'm a 399 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: doctor now and chuck. One of the reasons why this 400 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: letter is so significant. Number one, it's the letter that 401 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: gave um the name Jack the Ripper to the killer. 402 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: And number two, um it made a reference to taking 403 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: a piece of his next victim's ear. Right. Well, that 404 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: letter was received September and on septem Catherinetto's was found. 405 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: Remember she was the second victim in the same night, 406 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: and part of her ear was removed. Now wasn't published 407 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: before that it was, which I mean you could you 408 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: can definitely take that as evidence that what that the 409 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Ripper read about it and decided to take the ear. 410 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: But because there there's a historian this was actually this 411 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: year he wrote a book is named Dr Andrew Cook, 412 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: and he thinks that there were a bunch of different killers. 413 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: And he actually, uh allegedly says that Frederick Best was 414 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: a reporter for the Star newspaper and he said he 415 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: forged the Dear Boss letter. Really yes, he said he 416 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: forged it, invented the name Jack the Ripper to uh 417 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: sell newspapers because there were a new startup newspaper and 418 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: they were about to close their doors, and their sales 419 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: just like went through the roof after this letter. So 420 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: that's what he alleges there. There are also a lot 421 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: of Ripper oologists believed that none of the letters um 422 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: were written by Jack the Ripper, and that they were 423 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: all pretty much made up by the press or made 424 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: up by crazy people or whatever. But none of that 425 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: the letters were written by Jack the Ripper is another 426 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: way to look at it, right, And he uh unearthed 427 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: interview given by a guy named Percy Clark, and he 428 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: was the assistant police surgeon in Whitechapel, and he said, quote, 429 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them. 430 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: I would not say he did the others. And then 431 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: another senior investigating officer said the same thing that he 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: didn't think that the last victim, that Kelly, was a 433 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: victim of the Ripper, but a copycat killer as well, 434 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: who knows. Yeah, well that's the point though, isn't it. 435 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like if if if you're looking for one 436 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: murderer on Dreden hundred and twenty years on, UM, that's 437 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: difficult enough. Imagine looking for three or five killers twenty 438 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: years on One of the other reasons why this is 439 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: this case will likely never be solved is a lot 440 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: of the evidence has just gone Um. They investigated Jack 441 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: the Ripper for three years and then finally closed the 442 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: case as unsolved, and around the time and probably before then, UM, 443 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: cops working the case or cops that had access to 444 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: the evidence room just took evidence as souvenirs from mentos UM. 445 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I believe a lot of the records, if not all, 446 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: the records were destroyed in a fire, um or destroyed 447 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: because they had reached their shelf life of being kept 448 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: as as records. So I mean, there's there's really not 449 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence anymore now. And you know, this 450 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: was clearly a different day they they would have caught 451 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: him today, probably pretty easily. Maybe that's what I think 452 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: it's possible. So let's talk about some of the suspects. Well, 453 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: there's more than a hundred that have been named throughout 454 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: the years. I've read a hundred and seventy different people 455 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: named a suspect. Well, and there's it looks like three 456 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: or four new ones a year now still, so right, 457 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about the most recent one? Man? Uh? Yeah, 458 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: there was a discovery Channel show. Uh, it was on 459 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: last week where a historian name my Trow used modern 460 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: forensics and he identified one Robert Man and this one. Actually. See, 461 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing. Anytime I read like I thought Walter 462 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: Siccret was after hearing that Cornwall lady talk about secret being. Well, 463 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: we'll get to him. But my point is, any time 464 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: I've I've seen a show or special, I come away thinking, oh, 465 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: well that was Jack the Ripper and make a real 466 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: convincing argument. Yeah. Um. I went on casebook dot org um, 467 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: which I wrote how Jack the Ripper works, the article 468 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: that we based this podcast on. Um, And I defer 469 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: humbly to the people who run and go on face 470 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: or casebook dot org um entirely different. If your interest 471 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: has been the least bit piqued by this, I I 472 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: strongly recommend well number one going to housetuf first dot 473 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: com to read the article, but then number two going 474 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: to case books because they have everything right. So um, 475 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: I went onto casebook to see what they thought of Man, 476 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: and sure enough, like the the the I don't think 477 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the documentary had even premiered yet, and everybody had read 478 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: the Man's book. Um, and we're just tearing him apart, 479 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: which coincidentally is the second book to be titled Case Closed. Yeah, 480 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: which I think is pretty funny. Everyone says I found 481 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: it case Closed. And ripparologists don't take very kindly to 482 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. They these these people are amateur historians, 483 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: amateur criminologists, um, all rolled into one, and they just 484 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: this is just what they do. Uh, and a lot 485 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: once in a while somebody will come along and do 486 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: some research, write a book and slap case Closes on 487 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: the title, and they do not like that. Well, let's 488 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: let's go over man real quick. Uh. He was a 489 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: morgue attendant in Whitechapel. He was a an inmate at 490 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: a prison when he ran the More, or he was 491 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: an attendant at the More. He was he was in 492 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: charge of receiving bodies I think, yea, specifically the bodies 493 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: of the people that they believe he killed three of them. 494 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: And uh, interestingly, well they say damning Lee in this article. 495 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: He he actually undressed Polly Nichol's body with his assistant, 496 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: and he was under strict orders not to do anything 497 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: like that. And a lot of people say that this 498 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: is why, you know, he may have been trying to 499 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: admire his his handywork there, show it off to his buddy. 500 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: And I think somebody made a point on casebook that 501 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: this would probably be the first time that the body 502 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: revisited the killer rather than the other way around. The 503 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: problem with Man that I, as I understand it was 504 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: that he was an inmate in a prison. Pretty much 505 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: as simple as that. Even with a tremendous amount of 506 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: freedom that he might have had with a job, he 507 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: would have still had that job at the isn't could 508 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: he have just come and gone as he pleased, um, 509 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: to go murder women, especially on weekends. So um, I 510 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: think that was the biggest problem that I ran across 511 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: with Man. And also his testimony was discounted at the 512 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: time because his boss basically said this man is prone 513 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: to fits and his he's not to be believed. But 514 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: modern what the forensic psychologist at Liverpool University said in 515 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: terms of psychological profiling, he's one of the most credible 516 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: suspects from recent years and the closest we may ever 517 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: get to a plausible psychological explanation. So who knows? Once again, 518 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: case closed? But is it so now Cornwall? Yeah, let's 519 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: get to Cornwall. She had a particularly um, let's say, 520 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: difficult relationship with reparologists. Yeah, they don't like her, and 521 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: good reason. She plamed Walter Sickert. He was a painter, 522 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: very famous painter at the time, and he was known 523 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: for painting nudes of women. Who were they butchered or 524 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: were they just depends on your interpretation, wide open for interpretation. 525 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: Some people said they were dead women, dead nude women. 526 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: But when you look at like, what's the one painting 527 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: Camden Town Murder. Yeah, it's called the Camden Town Murder 528 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: and it's a naked woman on the bed and there's 529 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: a man sitting on the edge of the bed with 530 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: his hands in his face, and he looks like he's 531 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: overcome with guilt for just murdering the woman. But what 532 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: is the alternate title of that painting? What shall we 533 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: do for rent? Was the was the alternate title, which 534 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: if you look at it through those eyes, it could 535 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: be a depressed man and his wife. You know she 536 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: was naked, sure, but who wasn't. And uh, from what 537 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: I understand about Walter sicker I would not put it 538 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: past him, um to be fully aware that he was 539 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: toying with the public with stuff like this. Then enjoying it, 540 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily mean he was a murder. Um 541 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: Cornwell was one of the ones who titled her bookcase 542 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: close um. And she apparently strode into the world of 543 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: reparology a fairly arrogantly, one could say, um. And she 544 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: used to I guess on her book to her lecture 545 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: to her. When the book was released, it was heavily 546 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: attended by ripporologists who were looking to rip her a 547 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: new one um, and she did not like them one bit. 548 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: She compared them to trek eas Um, very demeaningly and uh. 549 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: She also it came out that during the course of 550 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: researching the book, she purchased a secret painting for a 551 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: substantial amount of money so she could tear it apart 552 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: to look for clues. She found nothing, and the curator 553 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: of a major secret collection in London called her monstrously 554 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: stupid for doing that. So I was always amused by that. Yeah, 555 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: she kind of hung her case on. She collected h 556 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: M d NA mitochondrial DNA, and she was able to 557 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: rule out comparing it to the letters that were sent 558 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: Um that of of the people could not have been responsible, 559 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 1: but Walter Sickert could have, and the other thing with 560 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: the mitochondrial DNA is. She'll tout that the people are excluded. 561 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: She doesn't really point out that that's still left about 562 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: fifty thousand other people that could have been the murder. 563 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: She made it sound like everyone but Walter Sickert has 564 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: been absolved. Well. On the other side, Walter Sickert was 565 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: very well known as a prolific writer of letters to 566 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: the editor, right, um, and so he very well may 567 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: have written a ripper letter. But that's a huge leap 568 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: in logic to say that he wrote a ripper letter. 569 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: So he he was so chuck. My money's not on 570 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: Walter Sickert. Um. And he's not the only famous person 571 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: to be named as a suspect. Lewis Carroll, Yeah, was 572 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: suggested as a suspect. I don't think by any any 573 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: of the police. No, they pulled they supposedly pulled anagrams 574 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: from some of his books that everyone else is like, 575 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: come on, um. Prince Albert Victor was thought to be 576 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: maybe some diabolical madman and the the went mad with syphilis. 577 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Yes that's what they say, yeah, um. And the entire 578 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: royal family has been implicated in another theory, The Freemasons 579 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: the Freemasons. Can't forget them. They're implicated in everything, aren't they. Um. 580 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: But then there's some lesser known people who usually actually 581 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: make better suspects than you know, the entire royal family, Right, Chuck, 582 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,239 Speaker 1: I would say so, and they actually would. They end 583 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: up naming officially three suspects in the actual case before 584 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: they closed it. Right. Police commissioners Sir Neville McNaughton UM 585 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: wrote in eight eighty nine who he thought the three 586 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: best suspects were in In his final report, he wrote, UM, 587 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: he named Michael Ostrog, a Russian physician and convicted thief, 588 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: Montague John Drewett, who was a physician um and who 589 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: was found drowned in the Thames uh the December after 590 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: the murders, And Aaron Kasminski, who was an insane man 591 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: um and these were mcdalton's three top picks. UM. Unfortunately, 592 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: probably not. Michael Ostrog was found in two thousand two 593 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: in a book by Philip Sugden UH that he was 594 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: actually in police custody during the time of the murders 595 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: in Paris. Um. Montague John drew It possibly UM if 596 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: he died in December, that would definitely explain why the 597 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: murders ended suddenly. And then Aaron Kasminski, Um, he was 598 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: he was in He was crazy, but he wasn't violent 599 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: at all. Um. And most people don't think it was him. 600 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say most people. There are some that probably 601 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: think it's him, but I don't personally. My money instead 602 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: is on Severing Klazowski. George Chapman, Alright, why do you 603 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: think he did it? Well, let me retract that he's 604 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it to say that he is. 605 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: He's my leads huspect from the people I know of 606 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: he's he's my lead suspect. He was a man who 607 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: had a nasty little habit of poisoning his wives, and 608 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 1: he did it to three of them after the Ripper murders. Uh. 609 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: He was finally caught on the third one because somebody 610 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: finally figured out, Hey, this guy's wives are in no 611 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: way related to one another, and yet they keep dying 612 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: from this mysterious illness. And they um, they found that 613 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: he had poisoned one, exhumed the other two, and he 614 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: was convicted of all three. Uh. And this was in 615 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: the United States, but he'd been living in Whitechapel at 616 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: the time. During the murders. Um he had a he 617 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: was trained as a physician, UM and he moved to 618 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: America and lived in New Jersey at the time that 619 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: that one New York possible Ripper murder took place. So 620 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: the the big question is, if Klausowski was the guy, 621 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: why would he change his m o so drafted drastically 622 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: from butchering women to reasoning lives. That's I don't think 623 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: anyone's ever switched gears like that. But out of all 624 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: of them, out of all the Ripper suspects, he's the 625 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: only one that has been convicted of three murders. He's 626 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: the only known serial murderer in the bunch, which is 627 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: why my my money's on him. That's a good one. 628 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite? I like them, Robert Man, That makes sense. 629 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: That's that's who my money's on. That's I think there's 630 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: you said. A hundred hundred and seventies suspects have been named, 631 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: and again, if you're interested in this, go onto casebook. 632 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: They have detailed descriptions of every single suspect. But let's 633 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: talk about the legacy left by the Ripper Chuck, Yeah, 634 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was probably the first crime 635 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: scene photo ever taken. Yeah, it was the first big, um, 636 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: I think, international murder case that was known throughout the world. 637 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: It was the first case of symbol the now well 638 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: known symbiotic relationship between a serial murderer and the press, 639 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: where the press gives the serial murder um, you know, 640 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: infamy that that he or she requires, uh, and then 641 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: the serial killer gives the press, you know, fodder for articles. 642 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: And I think further uh, I think the Zodiac killer 643 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: sent letters to the editor and that became kind of 644 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: a thing for serial killers to do later on. Yeah. Um, 645 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: and this is one of the first times that comparing 646 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: the bodies to establish an m O it has been 647 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: used basically. Um. You can argue that the the um 648 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: all modern forensic techniques started kind of piecemeal, but they 649 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: all started with the Ripper murders. I would agree with that, right. 650 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: And like we said before them Ripper murders shown a 651 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: light on the living conditions in the East End of London, 652 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: uh and led to real change. I think sanitation was 653 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: introduced largely. Um. There is a lot more interest in 654 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the plight of the poverty stricken than there had in before. 655 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: And Chuck also, there's clearly a pretty big legacy left 656 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: behind in the form of ripparologists, um countless TV shows, movies, 657 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: UM from Hell from Hell. That was. That was unsettling. 658 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a video game coming I heard and 659 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: Jack the Ripper is going to be a superhero that 660 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: fights demons. Yeah, he's a he's actually an anti hero, 661 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: but he's misunderstood the killings were it was it demons 662 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: or vampires, both all manner of EMPs and lesser demons. 663 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, and there's a conference every year, right, 664 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's every year, but um, this year. 665 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: Actually it was just last week in London, first time 666 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: they ever had it in London, and they rented a 667 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: pub for the entire weekend. So that's that. Sounds like 668 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: an awesome conference so far. Yeah, they have speakers and 669 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: from seven to eleven every night is entertainment and disco 670 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: disco Jack the Ripper Conference Disco. So that sounds like 671 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: a nice way to end this, an upbeat way to 672 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: end this, which, if you consider it, is highly ironic 673 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: because this definitely are grizzliest podcast yet. Yeah, it's not 674 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna get any more grizzly. Yeah, so obviously We did 675 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: this one for Halloween, so I have a safe and 676 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: happy Halloween everybody. 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