Speaker 1: We bring in now, Sean Merriman lights out himself. Sean,
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady ever going to retire? Or is he
Speaker 1: gonna outlast all of us? The way it's looking, man,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna outlast all of us. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny him talking about one to play the forty five,
Speaker 1: and I think he said this when he was around
Speaker 1: forty or forty one years old, and you know, for
Speaker 1: normal people, that's just sounded ridiculous. I know when I
Speaker 1: heard it, I just like, you know, he's just kind
Speaker 1: of gassed himself up. And maybe wish for thinking that
Speaker 1: he played tweets forty five, But I think he resurrected
Speaker 1: the way he's playing the game. Um, not just by
Speaker 1: him taking hit, but he actually looks more mobile now
Speaker 1: and doing more think more accurately in the pocket than
Speaker 1: he did five years ago. So I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: which part of this game he got better at, but
Speaker 1: it's it seems to me that as long as he
Speaker 1: stayed off the ground and he stayed away from big contact, uh,
Speaker 1: and they keep building on what they have right now,
Speaker 1: he he probably will played two. He's forty five years old.
Speaker 1: I talked about yesterday on the show, and we've obviously
Speaker 1: been unpassed sacking in a lot during the course of
Speaker 1: the week. Um, is ten super Bowls even if he
Speaker 1: doesn't get to another Super Bowl, which I think based
Speaker 1: on the way he's playing right now, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: stunning if he did. But is ten Super Bowls even
Speaker 1: something that anybody else can aspire to get to? Or
Speaker 1: is it one of those crazy almost unreachable records that's
Speaker 1: out there right? I compared it like to Joe Joe
Speaker 1: DiMaggio hitting in fifty six straight games. Uh, maybe the
Speaker 1: long time record of how many games in a row.
Speaker 1: Cal Ripkin played in in Major League Baseball when he
Speaker 1: broke Lou Garrig's record. Is it a number that like
Speaker 1: you look at and think, oh, I think another quarterback
Speaker 1: will ever get to ten? Or do you just look
Speaker 1: at it and say, man, that's crazy. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody in our life will ever be able to achieve that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what the thing is, I hate caning the
Speaker 1: word never, right because we all know that records are
Speaker 1: meant to be broken. Um, And then not to mention
Speaker 1: the game changes every ten years or so, right, So
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, ten years ago, we didn't see
Speaker 1: anybody like Patrick the Homes. You know, when he's throwing motion,
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing it. And ten years it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a match Patrick Mahomes times too write it's gonna
Speaker 1: be some guys. There's some kid that come in there.
Speaker 1: They're throwing off his back leg and eight yards on
Speaker 1: the diet. I mean, it's just just the way the
Speaker 1: game is. Um. But with that all being said, you
Speaker 1: find it nearly impossible for somebody to play that long,
Speaker 1: Uh go to the super Bowl that many times, not
Speaker 1: just go, but also when because you need so things
Speaker 1: to happen right. You need to have the same organization,
Speaker 1: same coach, same system, not get injured. You know, I
Speaker 1: think the only year that Tom Brady miss was that
Speaker 1: eight year or somewhere around there when towards a c L.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I mean, you need all the
Speaker 1: other things to go right. So it's almost when you
Speaker 1: when you put it that way, it's almost impossible for
Speaker 1: it to happen with another team or another player. Did
Speaker 1: it surprise you, uh, the degree to which the of
Speaker 1: a defensive line whipped the Kansas City Chief offensive line. No, No,
Speaker 1: and I and I said that going into this game,
Speaker 1: I actually had the game being around thirty thirty one,
Speaker 1: you know, even though they you know, had some drop
Speaker 1: balls and and and incomplete passes, even with the line
Speaker 1: being banged up as they was, because I figured that
Speaker 1: Andy Reid will come in that game and have enough
Speaker 1: game plan knowing and look, I'm a former defender player,
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm telling you exactly everything that the
Speaker 1: tempt they bucketeers gig going into this game is what
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to do as they as they
Speaker 1: if I played against them, you know, and I said
Speaker 1: that they had to stop Sue and JPP and those
Speaker 1: guys are front Shaq Barrett, it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: long night, and it was. They had no answer. And
Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, going into this game, it was complete,
Speaker 1: but it was It was a nasty game. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen Kansas City played like that ever, you know, since
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and that that core has been there. We've
Speaker 1: never seen them play like that. So I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody anybody is saying they expected the game to go
Speaker 1: that way. Their line. It's no way that you expect
Speaker 1: at them to score that many points when you look ahead.
Speaker 1: I started off my show talking about the rise of
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and it's almost like there's two different
Speaker 1: cast systems almost in the NFL right now, there's the
Speaker 1: rules for quarterbacks and there's the rules for everybody else.
Speaker 1: It seems like that chasm, that difference between the quarterback
Speaker 1: position and the other players is only growing, both in
Speaker 1: terms of compensation and also just overall in terms of attention.
Speaker 1: Did you feel it like that when you were playing,
Speaker 1: and do you feel like even since you've left, it's
Speaker 1: become more of a quarterback versus everybody else league? It is,
Speaker 1: But you know, let's let's look at it this way.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're CEO of the company, is gonna
Speaker 1: get paid more than everyone else? Yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: they're running the ship. They determine whether that team makes
Speaker 1: a hundred million or three hundred million in profit by
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I mean that's how that's
Speaker 1: how big of a difference in that quarterback position. So
Speaker 1: you know, people can complain and say, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback league, and trust me, I hate it. I hate
Speaker 1: to see a guy on accidentally going across the side
Speaker 1: of a guy's helmet, her neck or something like that,
Speaker 1: um and they get flagged or in find. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are things I hated a formal defensive player. But
Speaker 1: speaking of business terms, that one player is single handedly
Speaker 1: responsible for your organization being the most profitable depending on
Speaker 1: them winning the winning the football game. You know, when
Speaker 1: I played at me, obviously, I was kind of courting
Speaker 1: up between where the quarterback started to get that type
Speaker 1: of love. I mean, you had your Tom Brady's and
Speaker 1: your Drew Brees and paid Manny, you had your stars.
Speaker 1: But if you started look now halfway across the league
Speaker 1: the quarterback position and kind of the separation of in
Speaker 1: a different down than it was in the last two years,
Speaker 1: it's astronomical. You know, look in passing holes. A half
Speaker 1: a billion dollar contract before he's all said and done,
Speaker 1: that ten fifteen years ago is unheard of. And that's
Speaker 1: what in the next three or four years, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be way bigger than that. People are gonna be scratching
Speaker 1: my head at somebody getting paid seven hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: over ten years in football at that quarterback position. But
Speaker 1: it has to be another Pastor Mahomes. Hype of guy
Speaker 1: is gonna come into the league which won't happen for
Speaker 1: the next five or teen years. What do you think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen with all this quarterback drama? You got
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott the Cowboys start here. The Cowboys left him
Speaker 1: out of the hype video. Now that you may say
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous and you know, like it's petty, but there's
Speaker 1: no way the guy who made the hype video did
Speaker 1: that intentionally, right, And if he did, if I'm Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: I'm like, we gotta fire this dude, right, Like, who
Speaker 1: does he think he is leaving Dak Prescott out and
Speaker 1: creating all this drama That seems like it would be
Speaker 1: intentional to me? What do you think about stories like these?
Speaker 1: And then Dak Prescott supposedly goes out and follows the
Speaker 1: Washington football team on Twitter. How do you think all
Speaker 1: of that kind of adds up? This is a game
Speaker 1: of chess at this point, right, um, And I think
Speaker 1: that we've seen for the first time ever someone stopped
Speaker 1: going up by them not playing. I mean, you know what,
Speaker 1: we've seen what that team was with Doc, and we've
Speaker 1: seen what it wasn't with that saying you know, for
Speaker 1: the most part, same core players and I know they
Speaker 1: had a few offic fli'ming to go down and and
Speaker 1: auple a couple of guys get thanked up. But you know,
Speaker 1: I always and I always said this, and and I
Speaker 1: probably take some of it back by saying it, but
Speaker 1: I always thought that Dak Prescott was above average quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was great. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was gonna go out there and while anybody. But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta give somebody credit when credit is due. He
Speaker 1: did a lot for that football team. And I'm not
Speaker 1: just talking about stats. He gave them motivation and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just the energy to go out there and
Speaker 1: feel like they can win football games. And when he
Speaker 1: left it, there was a drop off. Now I think
Speaker 1: that Andy Dalton came in there and and and then
Speaker 1: he served a purpose. And their whole point of bringing
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton in it in the first place was to
Speaker 1: let Doc know you, Okay, if you want to after
Speaker 1: this year, go on. We we got somebody here that
Speaker 1: we're stable enough to win with right um, that we
Speaker 1: can win some football games that he didn't have to
Speaker 1: be back Prescott. But you know, when you have that
Speaker 1: coming in, it's gonna probably be asking for forty million
Speaker 1: dollars plus a year or close to it. Uh, you
Speaker 1: gotta start looking at the difference between Andy Dalton and
Speaker 1: Dark Prescott. Are you willing to move on from Dark Prescott?
Speaker 1: But we're seeing nothing now but a chess match. That's
Speaker 1: all we're in talking to Sean Merriman. Encourage you to
Speaker 1: listen to the Lights Out podcast with him. Uh. In
Speaker 1: awful news, Uh, Marty Schottenheimer died at the age of
Speaker 1: seventy seven. I saw your tweet about him. What was
Speaker 1: he like as a coach? What was he like as
Speaker 1: a person? You know, Marty? Uh coach Marty schottenheimert for me.
Speaker 1: I go back and I look, and I got drafted
Speaker 1: in two thousand five, and you know, obviously they had
Speaker 1: that great year in two thousand four and that's when
Speaker 1: they went Trove four before I came in. But I
Speaker 1: really say this, I was fortunate to walk in the
Speaker 1: locker room to not only the players and the teammates
Speaker 1: that I had, but fortunate to be coached by Marty
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer coming in because you're talking about some one who
Speaker 1: was a just a leader amongst men, like he can
Speaker 1: get you going at any given time. He was just
Speaker 1: a natural born leader and he can inspire you and
Speaker 1: motivate you in different ways. Um you know, and and
Speaker 1: I'll I'll give you an example and just the type
Speaker 1: of person he was. In two thousand five, you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing to cancer to the Chiefs at home and
Speaker 1: you know, they're running the ball and they had priest
Speaker 1: homes in the backfield. I went and ran across field
Speaker 1: and I knocked out priests homes. And when I tell you,
Speaker 1: and knocked Marty was sleep for two commercial breaks, right,
Speaker 1: and I came over there and I was celebrating. I
Speaker 1: was screaming on the top of my lungs and you know,
Speaker 1: I went on the sidelines celebrating, and Marty Schottenheim grabbed
Speaker 1: my face mask and he said, lights, great hit, but
Speaker 1: don't forget that his family and friends are watching. And
Speaker 1: at that moment, at that time, it hit me all
Speaker 1: at wanted saying that, you know it was it was
Speaker 1: a sign of humility, umility, humility and a sign of
Speaker 1: you know, humbleness. And in that moment of me just
Speaker 1: kind of going crazy in the field because of his
Speaker 1: big hit. He was worried about priest homes, his family
Speaker 1: and his friends and who was watching Knocked Out. And
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Marty. I learned a lot
Speaker 1: from him because you know, he was hard on you
Speaker 1: when he needed to be. But then he'll walk up
Speaker 1: to you, uh in training campus he's been busting your
Speaker 1: ass and working hard and playing a game like you
Speaker 1: should be. He'll come up and walk and cap you
Speaker 1: on the back and say, you know what, take the
Speaker 1: day off. Because he loved to take care of his players. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I was fortunate enough to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be close enough with his family while I was checking
Speaker 1: on checking on him here and there when he was
Speaker 1: spending a majority of his time at his home in
Speaker 1: North Carolina and just checking on him periodically, and you know,
Speaker 1: and went from him being okay, okay, then it was
Speaker 1: a real bad drop off with his health. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of it, he would remember
Speaker 1: some things and he will you know, kind of forget
Speaker 1: who you are, but also remember something from ten years ago.
Speaker 1: He would ask about me and my mom's relationship, and
Speaker 1: me and my family's relationship, and certain things he will remember.
Speaker 1: So all those things, man, you know, I'm gonna miss him,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, the unfortunate things happened, but
Speaker 1: we lost just a great one, not just a great
Speaker 1: coach man, but just a great man in general. Uh.
Speaker 1: That is a great testament to Marty Schottenheimer. I heard
Speaker 1: a lot of great things from people who knew him well.
Speaker 1: Um and Uh, a lot of outstanding stories. There much
Speaker 1: less serious news still in the NFL. Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, all of the drama surrounding these quarterbacks. We
Speaker 1: just talked about DAC. What do you think is going
Speaker 1: to happen with these guys? Russell Wilson Uh went on
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick yesterday and said, basically, he doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: he's being consulted enough. You talked about the CEO and
Speaker 1: and and maybe these guys should be more involved in
Speaker 1: decision making. Deshaun Watson, that seems to be similar kind
Speaker 1: of criticism that he has. And then Carson Wentz. Everything's
Speaker 1: just kind of falling apart in Philadelphia. Do you think
Speaker 1: of those three, it looks like Carson Wentz is the
Speaker 1: most likely to move. Do you think that anything happens
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson? So absolutely, But Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz is moving on because he has great little choice, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, they drafted somebody they had to play that
Speaker 1: he can play well enough and play better than Carson
Speaker 1: Winsdey last year. UM. So that's one thing. But as
Speaker 1: far as Deshaun Watson, UM, I just don't see him
Speaker 1: lining up for and taking another snap for the Houston
Speaker 1: Texas at all as he should He shouldn't. Um. And
Speaker 1: like I said before, I do believe when God get
Speaker 1: pays to go out and do your job and you're
Speaker 1: getting paid a lot of money, but also on the
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, you're playing guys a
Speaker 1: lot of money to not put them in a certain situation,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you can. You can't give gods enough money
Speaker 1: to lose or to walk in the locker room every
Speaker 1: day and you get me your ass kicked in and
Speaker 1: it's it's just look at the locker room as a
Speaker 1: funeral because it's it's it's so bad and they're not
Speaker 1: giving you the tools to go out and be successful.
Speaker 1: And I and I always try to, you know, bridge
Speaker 1: the gap between business and being the CEO out hearing me,
Speaker 1: look at the CEO is going and you get your
Speaker 1: employees are not up to par and they can't walk
Speaker 1: to do a job, but you're you're telling them that
Speaker 1: they still have to work with them no matter what.
Speaker 1: Why why do you have the CEO there? Why do
Speaker 1: you have him running the company when he don't when
Speaker 1: he can't make his own decisions on who who should
Speaker 1: and who should come in. Now, all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: things should happen. And this goes from Russell Wilson too.
Speaker 1: James have to change their ways in the way they're
Speaker 1: dealing with guys because the money is so bad because
Speaker 1: of your asking these guys to do more than they
Speaker 1: did fifteen twenty plus years ago. It's not about playing
Speaker 1: football anymore. These guys, you're asking them to lead a
Speaker 1: multi billion, multi billion out of organization. So the least
Speaker 1: you can do is have these guys in the room
Speaker 1: and just get their opinion. Hey, what do you think
Speaker 1: about this guy we're bringing up? Now? You can still
Speaker 1: do what you want at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but let's have let's get a few opinions. Hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this guy? We're looking at this coach?
Speaker 1: What do you think about him? If you're going out
Speaker 1: and doing things your own without consulting your CEO, your
Speaker 1: biggest player and the most important player in your franchise.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Should the owner or the coach be
Speaker 1: more involved in consultation? And do you think it's a
Speaker 1: coach is not wanting to give up power situation or
Speaker 1: an owner not wanting to give up power situation that
Speaker 1: is implicating some of these disagreements. Where do you see
Speaker 1: the lines of communication getting broken up? I think it's both.
Speaker 1: You know, for one, everything starts at the top. Nothing
Speaker 1: happens when with the organization unless the owners approves or
Speaker 1: disapproves of it. And that goes for letting the coaching
Speaker 1: make a decision where you can bring in your own guys.
Speaker 1: So I just feel that you know at least what
Speaker 1: the the owners that are hands on with the team organization.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't take much. You know, you've got some
Speaker 1: owners that are very hands on and you've got some
Speaker 1: owners that you know, this is a side think for
Speaker 1: them and not gonna the biggest business that they have, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you go and look at it and
Speaker 1: how things are structured. Just sit down with the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Russell Wilson has been getting this head
Speaker 1: ripped off for years. So the big hits, and he
Speaker 1: has to pull out so many magical plays and uh so,
Speaker 1: you know, just just things that we're not accustomers in.
Speaker 1: He had to go off there and work his magic,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna give him the resources a better
Speaker 1: offensive line, a better running game, and they got DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: But you know, for four or five years straight, Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson has been taking the beating up there. So if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna give him the tools, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: give him the tools. At least let him have some input.
Speaker 1: Why is he there? It's it's a good question, and
Speaker 1: this may be a crazy question for you, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea what the answer is. How often do
Speaker 1: NFL players, especially a guy like Russell Wilson have the
Speaker 1: telephone number to be able to text or call with
Speaker 1: the owner of a team. I know, the coaches and
Speaker 1: the players would be texting back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: a decent amount. Do you think very many players in
Speaker 1: the NFL have the relationship where they could be texting
Speaker 1: with an owner of a team? Is that common, uncommon, abnormal? Normal?
Speaker 1: How would you assess it? Obviously, uh phones, phones, the
Speaker 1: relationship with a phone is different now than it would
Speaker 1: have been in the nineteen eighties or the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: But do you think that the average like Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: could he interact with the owner of the Seahawks. Is
Speaker 1: that a common thing with Deshaun Watson have cal mcnaire's
Speaker 1: phone number and be able to text him? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Absolutely? They should, Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: they should. I'm just wondering how common it is. It's
Speaker 1: very common. And I'm not trying the best friends o basis,
Speaker 1: but there has to be some kind of a mutual
Speaker 1: respect level where you know, you can get a text once,
Speaker 1: you can call him and say, hey, uh, you know
Speaker 1: you got time on Friday or some day's week, right
Speaker 1: and come up to the office and just talk to you, right,
Speaker 1: because the door has to as as a good owner,
Speaker 1: the door has to be open, right, especially and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you got the third string cornerback coming up
Speaker 1: there and bitching and complain about not getting playing time.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, your quarterback. Uh, that's that
Speaker 1: you ask that You're asking, Hey, we need another ring
Speaker 1: and we need you to lead us. Hey, well you
Speaker 1: know you can lead yourself to this office too and
Speaker 1: give me some in and some input, and that should
Speaker 1: always happen when you're asking that much of a quarterback,
Speaker 1: with that much of a player, now your top guys
Speaker 1: always And I knew that the LT talked to Dean Spanals,
Speaker 1: and I talked to Dean Spanals here and there. But
Speaker 1: you know, I would expect Philip Rivers to talk to that.
Speaker 1: You know him more than I would. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're asking the leader team to make those conversations and
Speaker 1: make those things happen. But in my opinion, every quarterback
Speaker 1: in the National every start quarterback in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: should have an open door to the team owner. It's
Speaker 1: a good point and it's an interesting perspective. Uh and uh,
Speaker 1: and I wonder how many of them have great relationships
Speaker 1: or not always good stuff. Sean Marriman, go listen to
Speaker 1: the Lights Out podcast. I Heeart Podcast Network. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you again soon. You gotta thank