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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelk. It is time for annual tradition.

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Speaker 2: It is our Giants beat right round table, joining.

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Speaker 3: Us as always.

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Speaker 2: Uh about that head at the Muscle Beach? Is my understanding?

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Speaker 2: Is Paul Schwartz from The New York Post. Paul, how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 4: Yes? I am about to head to Muscle Beach and

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Speaker 4: if I find any then I will beat ovl of

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Speaker 4: report back, Okay, because yeah, it's you know, look, the

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Speaker 4: weekend's coming, right, and this is it for us, right,

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Speaker 4: you know? I mean, look, if Brian dabol can give

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Speaker 4: his players off mandatory Friday, Saturday, Sunday Monday, then you know,

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Speaker 4: no Friday, Saturday, Sunday, then I can give myself off

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Speaker 4: those days too, right.

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Speaker 1: No question.

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Speaker 2: Art Stapleton from North Jersey dot Com The Record, and

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Speaker 2: of course he has his podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, how are you man?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, John, And you know, trying to get ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm not heading to Muscle Beach, but you know, family

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Speaker 3: time this weekend, nonetheless will be much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: And you can find him on the All In Podcast

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Speaker 2: with Art Stapleton talking all things Giants. And then unfortunately

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Speaker 2: Tom Rock is still weak to week. He has his achilles.

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Speaker 2: He's on the practice field, but he's not ready to

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Speaker 2: playing games yet. So we're welcome to his colleague from Newsday,

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Speaker 2: the lovely Kim Jones.

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Speaker 1: Kim, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm good? How are you, Malkie?

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Speaker 1: We're doing great? All right, guys.

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Speaker 2: So we've been through long spring and summer here, We've

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Speaker 2: watched a lot of practices, we've been in a lot

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Speaker 2: of really hot weather, and finally we're going to get

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Speaker 2: a game this week. This is airing on Labor Day.

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Speaker 2: We are recording this on Thursday. So many news happens,

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Speaker 2: by the way, between now and them, do not blame us.

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Speaker 1: It is not our fault. So we will go.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with the veteran reporter first, Paul Schwartz. You've

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of training camps, a lot of practices.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna just throw it out to you and you

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Speaker 2: can bring us wherever you want.

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Speaker 1: What is the about this team?

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Speaker 4: First of all, I think all three of us are

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Speaker 1: Well, you are the most veteran. How about that.

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Speaker 4: You know, Keevan Thibeau in the locker room yesterday was

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Speaker 4: drawing about something and he said, Who's who's been here

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Speaker 4: you know, I was there and he was saying something

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Speaker 4: was a bizarre conversation. But yes, every time it's veteran

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Speaker 4: and things like that, Yes, I seem to get it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I get it. What do I think about this team?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think a lot of really great

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Speaker 4: thoughts about this team. I think they're better than they

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Speaker 4: the end of last season. I think Daniel Jones being

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Speaker 4: or not, he's the best quarterback on the roster right now,

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Speaker 4: and we saw that last year when he went down.

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Speaker 3: about the worst quarterback scenario that you can possibly go

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Speaker 3: that irony that I think still eats away at parts

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Speaker 3: I think maybe they should have done that after year one.

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Speaker 3: you're to see an offense that looks a little different.

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Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a defense that, if

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Speaker 3: a good start is imperative because there's that stretch late

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Speaker 3: And you know, you're now talking about where this season goes.

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Speaker 3: Does it go down to twos because it's a rough

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Speaker 6: How about you, Kim well Art just mentioned the defensive front.

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Speaker 5: Dexter Lawrence has to be a plan for anything good that.

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Speaker 6: The Giants have, and that's because he's their best player.

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Speaker 6: He's a dominant player. He's in a good mood to

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Speaker 6: start the season. I got to catch up with him

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Speaker 6: just a little bit yesterday, small talk kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: But that affords itself at this point in the season,

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Speaker 6: not always during the season. So I always enjoy that

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Speaker 5: The is Timmy DeVito going to be on this team? Situation.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you have a starting quarterback, and I think

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Speaker 6: you know, as healthy as he was early.

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Speaker 5: On in his career.

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Speaker 6: He can make plays when he is healthy, and maybe

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Speaker 6: that helps the Giants. Actually, that surely, in my mind,

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Speaker 6: obviously helps the Giants. But to me, it's the wide

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Speaker 6: not just because of Malik, although it's a lot because

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Speaker 6: of Malik, And he also has players around him who,

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Speaker 6: in my view, have so embraced the idea of what

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Speaker 6: And I think that the Giants can go far if

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Speaker 6: Daniel's upright, and if the wide receiver corps is as

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Speaker 6: it appears, does it carry everything?

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Speaker 5: No, because none of them play cornerback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to get I think that's a

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Speaker 2: Kim Is talk about what's going on around the quarterback

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Speaker 2: right and Paul, I want to start with.

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Speaker 1: You here because you've been watching practice longer than all

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Speaker 2: This is my eighteenth season, so I've been watching Giant

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Speaker 2: training camp practices now for eighteen years. And I will

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Speaker 2: put a cave out here that old Beckham Junior missed

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Speaker 2: not included in this statement. But the league Nambers is

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Speaker 2: probably the most impressive rookie I have seen in a

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Speaker 2: talked to Bob Pop about this, who has been around

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Speaker 2: as long as you have, and he said, maybe Jeremy

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Speaker 2: How does Neighbors rank for you in terms of rookies?

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Speaker 2: You seehim in camp and frankly, how quickly he's been dominant.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. I have a story coming out

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Speaker 4: maybe he will, but but it is no question that

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Speaker 4: Now he was not Malik Neighbors. You know, he was

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Speaker 4: Reeves hated rookies. They did everything they could to keep

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So it's different world obviously,

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Speaker 4: obviously milite Neighbors is going to be good. But I

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Speaker 4: just think, I mean, what is the last major thing

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Speaker 4: we saw elite Neighbors do drop a ball in his

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Speaker 4: that that, you know, the offense at the time seemed

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Speaker 4: to help us get off, you know, leave leave the

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Speaker 4: you know, Flora and Park. We're feeling good about ourselves.

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Speaker 4: He is a rookie. Okay, he is a rookie. It's

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Speaker 4: I think he's terrific. I mean, if you told me

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Speaker 4: Amani said. He's a rookie. He's a rookie. You know.

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Speaker 4: Even MONI said, and I said, he's going to break

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Speaker 4: But yes, he's been incredibly impressive, and more so than

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Speaker 1: You know, Kim and I think Paul makes a good point.

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Speaker 2: Is see the guy that's gonna make it all about him?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And after that that one day scrimmage team building

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Speaker 6: He's you know, I think that the they're kids to me.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know they're grown men. But but these

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Speaker 6: Men to me, you know, have grown up so differently

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Speaker 5: But I do find with neighbors, you know, just a

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Speaker 5: But I find that somewhat endearing.

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Speaker 6: You're ready for a change.

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Speaker 5: Payday comes early with citizens, so go to that retreat.

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Speaker 6: Knew you moves to the country now you're raising goats

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Speaker 5: Are you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 2: And you know, Kim, and I think when you look

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Speaker 2: So frankly, all of us do not have to sit

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, the offensive line should be better. Seems

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Speaker 6: You know, Evan Neil, I mean, top draft pick, a

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Speaker 5: We've seen that already.

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Speaker 2: So, if you know, the Giants do not want this

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. I think whenever we asked Daniels,

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Speaker 4: I mean Slayton is you know, Slayton's numbers might go down.

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Speaker 4: I mean they probably will go down. I mean, we

434
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Speaker 4: can always pencil him in for fifty and seven twenty, right,

435
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Speaker 4: But I think the Giants would like if those numbers

436
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 4: go down because that means Heights are going up with

437
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 4: more big play potential. Neighbors are certainly going up, and

438
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 4: even Wandale if he stays healthy. I mean, you know,

439
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 4: Wandell should be one of those slot guys who runs

440
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 4: around and catches eighty passes. Right. So you know, for Daniel,

441
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Speaker 4: I think it's it will give him a chance, That's

442
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Speaker 4: what it will give him. I mean, you can't have

443
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 4: offensive alignment on the field who don't know what they're doing.

444
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Speaker 4: And there were times that, no, right, I mean were times.

445
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Speaker 1: Last year there You're not wrong, You're not wrong.

446
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Speaker 4: They didn't know what they were doing. So I am

447
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,719
Speaker 4: very confident that if if Andrew Thomas and John Runyon

448
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 4: get beat on a on a trick on a trick, right,

449
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 4: they will go back to the bench and they will

450
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Speaker 4: talk about it and then they won't get beat on

451
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Speaker 4: it again. You know, everyone gets beat you know, everyone

452
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: gets speed. I was just listening to him, I think

453
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Speaker 4: Mark Schlereth on one of the radio shows or something,

454
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Speaker 4: and he said we're the only position on the field,

455
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Speaker 4: but we're the worst athletes on the field, and we

456
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 4: have to block against the best athletes on the field

457
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 4: every play. You know, the old you know us fat guys,

458
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: can't you know, can't you know stop the athletes kind

459
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 4: of thing. But so they're gonna get beat and so

460
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Speaker 4: I think it gives Daniel a chance. I hope he

461
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Speaker 4: stays healthy. That's the main thing, you know. I and

462
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, kind of a not underreported, but

463
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Speaker 4: you know, it was just, oh, Daniel Jones towards a

464
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Speaker 4: cl he'll come back and he'll be ready for next year.

465
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Speaker 4: You know how much blood, sweat and tears goes into

466
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Speaker 4: just me saying or writing that in one paragraph, Oh

467
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Speaker 4: they expecting me back next year, right, And every day

468
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: he's in there, and you know, I talked to him

469
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Speaker 4: a little bit yesterday and he's you know, on Wednesday

470
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Speaker 4: in the locker room and he's you know, he talked about,

471
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Speaker 4: you know, all the named all the guys who help them,

472
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Speaker 4: and he said, I know it's their job, he said,

473
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: I know it's their job of Ronnie Barnes and all

474
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: the trainers to help me. I know it's their job

475
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 4: but he said, they really did their job and they

476
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Speaker 4: put their heart into it, and so did Daniel. We

477
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: know he's a hard worker. So he's healthy, and I mean,

478
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Speaker 4: that's what I want to see, you know, I mean,

479
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 4: you know he is he going to be on the

480
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Speaker 4: team next year? Are we going to be doing this

481
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Speaker 4: roundtable god willing next year and talking about Daniel Jones?

482
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the odds are probably against it.

483
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Speaker 4: But let's let him be healthy with a competent on

484
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Speaker 4: our offensive line and then you know, whatever happens happens.

485
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Speaker 3: Guys, think about this for a minute. Just to jump

486
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Speaker 3: in here, Daniel Jones not only went through that grueling

487
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Speaker 3: rehab this offseason after a year in which he got

488
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 3: his contract that was supposed to validate him being here

489
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: right off the playoffs, did not play well, had a

490
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Speaker 3: neck injury, then had the knee injury. Then he had

491
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Speaker 3: to essentially hear from February on about how the Giants

492
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Speaker 3: were going to draft a quarterback. Then he had to

493
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: watch quarterbacks come here, all of them come here on

494
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: thirty visits and walk through the building and basically walk

495
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Speaker 3: past his locker in the locker room. So you take

496
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Speaker 3: all of that.

497
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Speaker 1: And by the way, or to have that all televised then,

498
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Speaker 1: and I.

499
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Speaker 3: Was gonna say, you take all of that and then

500
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Speaker 3: a month, you know, three months later, have to relive

501
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: it again when everyone publicly gets to see it, you know. Again,

502
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I agree with Paul, and I'm sure

503
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Kim feels the same way because we've had conversations. I

504
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: don't know what Daniel Jones is going to be. I

505
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: don't know if he's gonna absorb what happened last year

506
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 3: the way David Carr did and wrecked David Carr's career,

507
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: and he's just shell shocked. And you know, I thought

508
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 3: watching that preseason game in Houston, I think Daniel Jones

509
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: is almost anticipating not having enough time, you know. And

510
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of part of this progression too,

511
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: knowing that, hey, this offensive line might actually give me

512
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: a pocket. I don't have to run out of it

513
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 3: too quickly, you know, that mental aspect of it, I

514
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: think beyond the physical. I think mentally where Daniel Jones is.

515
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: We know who he is physically, we know his limitations,

516
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: we know his positives, But mentally, is he ready to

517
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: come in here and compete from day one at the

518
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: highest level possible, because if he's not, he's not going

519
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: to reach his potential, and in turn, this team is

520
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: not going to reach its potential.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

522
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: Final thing on the offense to you, Kim, before we

523
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Speaker 2: jump over to the defense here.

524
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Speaker 1: Maybe I've been bluepilled a little bit. I don't know.

525
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm actually excited about this offense, you know,

526
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: for the first time in quite a while.

527
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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I know Saquan's not here,

528
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: but like most other NFL offenses, you think the best

529
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: player on this offense is now going to be a

530
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. I think it's easier and Brian Dable frankly

531
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: would rather have his offense built around a wide receiver

532
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: than he would a running back based on what we've

533
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Speaker 2: seen in prior spots.

534
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Speaker 1: We talked about the offensive line being better.

535
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying this is a top ten

536
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: offense They're gonna score twenty seven points a game or

537
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: anything like that, but I think we are going to

538
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 2: have a significantly better offensive football than we've seen here

539
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: over the past couple of years.

540
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's undeniably true, or should be true.

541
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Speaker 6: You know, and if it's not a whole lot of

542
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 6: people have to answer for that. They brought in a

543
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 6: really good offensive line coach, and the offensive line is

544
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 6: always the sticking point for the Giants.

545
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 5: Maybe this year it's one of the shining lights. You know.

546
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Speaker 6: I think that you know a Giants fan who thinks

547
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 6: that right now, I wouldn't try to dissuade him or her.

548
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, they've done a good job, it seems,

549
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 6: with getting this line together, putting in the spare parts,

550
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 6: if you will, when they needed to. But they seem

551
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 6: to be healthy going into the season. That's good news,

552
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 6: you know. I just think with the New York Giants

553
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Speaker 6: with Daniel Jones, the expectations should be high. These are

554
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 6: professional athletes. They're not still in college. They don't need

555
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 6: to be baby. And I do think it's time for

556
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Speaker 6: Daniel Jones to lead a team to the absolute best

557
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Speaker 6: of his ability to go somewhere after the final regular

558
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 6: season week of the season. And I know he did

559
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 6: it once. I think he needs to do it again

560
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 6: this season. And if he would, I think he'd prove

561
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Speaker 6: a whole lot of people wrong.

562
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Speaker 2: You know, I lied, I said that'd be the last

563
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: thing on the offense. Real quick ort and Paul, you

564
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: guys think will take this quickly. What difference do you

565
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: think Brian Dables pretty cloone does make for this. How

566
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: much different does this look because of Dabele in combination

567
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: with the new pieces they have on offense or want't

568
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Speaker 2: you go first?

569
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Speaker 3: I don't think this was a knock on Mike Kafka.

570
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: I'll say that. I'll put that out. I know I

571
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: agree that's not the outside perception. But I think Brian

572
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: Dable realized, you know, his greatest strength is as a

573
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: play caller. I mean, the reason he has this giant's

574
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: job is because of what he did as an offensive

575
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: coordinator and a play caller. So you take out the middleman.

576
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: You know, calf is up in the booth, he relaying stuff.

577
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: Then when things go wrong, Dabel is going to be aggressive.

578
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: He's going to not shy away from being aggress and

579
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: the only people he has to answer to are up

580
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: the food chain. He's not the OC that has to

581
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: answer to the head coach. He answers to himself. And

582
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be the biggest thing that we're

583
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: going to see on this offense, is that no matter what,

584
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: they are going to keep attacking. And it may look

585
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: ugly early on, but ultimately, in this league, if you

586
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: don't hit explosive plays, you are not going to score.

587
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: And we have seen that from the Giants the last

588
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: two years.

589
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean I think it made total sense

590
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 4: two years ago when he came in and said, I'm

591
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: not going to call the plays. You know, he's a

592
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 4: rookie head coach. He got a lot on his plate.

593
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 4: You know, he elevated a guy, Mike Copka, who never

594
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: called plays at any level. Right he was, he never

595
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: called plays. You know, he worked for Andy Reid. Andy

596
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: Reid calls the place, so he gave it to him.

597
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: I don't think Mike Kopka was incompetent, and I think

598
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: he was. He's is smart. But it made total sense

599
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: then not to do it, and it makes one hundred

600
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: percent sense this year to say, look, I'm doing it.

601
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Speaker 4: And I don't think it's as simple as okay, if

602
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go down on good, go down. You know,

603
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: if I go down with the ship, I'm going to

604
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 4: be you know the guy at the rudder, right, is

605
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 4: it a rudder? Is it no? Or is it a

606
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: what is. I'm not a boatsman that rolls. Yeah, whatever

607
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: it is, I'm not I'm gonna go down calling the plays.

608
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: If if I have to go down, I don't think

609
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: it's as dire as that. But yeah, this is what

610
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 4: as Art said, this is why he's the Giants head

611
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: coaches because he has offensive acumen and calls plays. I mean,

612
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: he went to college for one year, right, Nick Saban

613
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: hired him, and you know, he shuffled between two NFL quarterbacks,

614
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: two winn Jalen Hurts, and they won a national championship

615
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: and scored a million points. The guy knows how to

616
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Speaker 4: call play. So I think it makes a huge difference. Huge,

617
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: not just oh it's okay. I think it makes a

618
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: major difference. He's one of the best in the league

619
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: at it. And as Art said, he doesn't have to.

620
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: You know, if he does something and it doesn't work out,

621
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: he just goes home and looks and mirror and says, idiot,

622
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: why do you do that? So it's it's good. It's

623
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: all on him, and I think that's a good thing.

624
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Speaker 2: Football season is coming and so is the next which semester.

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627
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629
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: front's gonna be a lot of fun. You talked about

630
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence earlier, got Brian Burns, who, well, he was

631
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: great talking to the media the other day. It just

632
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: seems like he just seems like such a nice guy.

633
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: And then you have Keevon Thibodeau Hawaii. I know he

634
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: thinks he's going to take another step here in your

635
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: number three, but this this front, you know, I'm not

636
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: going to quite harken back to the oc straan justin Tuck.

637
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Speaker 1: We're not there yet. But this should be fun.

638
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: It should be fun. And they they're athletic.

639
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: Obviously, Dexter is you know, unmatched probably in this league.

640
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: He's one of one.

641
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

642
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: So you know, I looked at the defensive front for

643
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 6: the Giants has a lot of fun. I actually sat

644
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Speaker 6: down with Brian Burns very early in training camp for

645
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Speaker 6: an interview that'll be in Newsday's season preview issue, and

646
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Speaker 6: I was really struck.

647
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Speaker 5: By a couple of things.

648
00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: Guys.

649
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 6: First of all, he thanked me profusely for asking him

650
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: to do the interview. That kind of stuff resonates with me,

651
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 6: maybe not with everything anyone else. I know that's an

652
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: eye roll for some people, but it matters sometimes in

653
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 6: that kind of getting to know a new player on

654
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 6: the team, a big player on the team, it matters

655
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 6: to me. So he was also not hurried with his

656
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 6: answers when I finished.

657
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 5: He said, is that all you need?

658
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: You know?

659
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 6: As opposed to getting up and running out of the

660
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 6: building or something.

661
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 5: So Brian Burns, I think makes a great first impression.

662
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: My sense is that he will carry.

663
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 6: That through and it would not surprise me if Dexter

664
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 6: Lawrence thinks that Brian Burns already has been very, very

665
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 6: good for that room, because I'm pretty sure Dexter believes that.

666
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: And I want to want to relate this back to

668
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: the to the offense already here, Paul, but if you

669
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: can just play with the lead a little bit, and

670
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: the Giants have been the worst first quarter scoring team

671
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: in football the last two years, and this goes back

672
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: to the other they made the players. Remember they had

673
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: all those wins in twenty twenty two were comeback wins.

674
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: They didn't have leads in those games.

675
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: They had to come back.

676
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: If they could just play with the lead a little

677
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: bit and let these pass rushers go to work, I

678
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: think that's one of the reasons Brian Burns his sack

679
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: tools have been depressed over the course of his curb.

680
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: If the Panthers have stunk, they won five games a year,

681
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: they never leads, they couldn't score. If you could just

682
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: get this defense the lead a little bit, I think

683
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: it helps your defensive line and it allows that defensive

684
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: line to maybe protect the back end a little bit,

685
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: which we all know might be a weakness.

686
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: Smell your tea and Paul up for the conversation that

687
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: we had at Brian Burns's locker. So go ahead, Paul,

688
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm waiting.

689
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: Yes, But what was the stat art he had not

690
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: taken a snap.

691
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: With the lead in the fourth quarter.

692
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: Last year because the two games they won were on

693
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: field goals?

694
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Is that true though he did not take.

695
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: A snap with the lead? Okay? You know because I

696
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: said to him, you know, Broun, we always talk about

697
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: you know, you know, for a hundred years we've been

698
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, I've been talking to these guys. You know,

699
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: what is it like, you know, do you want to

700
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: just pin your ears back? You know, and we always

701
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: say that I don't even know what that means. Now

702
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: we know what it means. But I don't think anyone

703
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: pins their ears back. You know, you just want to

704
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: pin your ears back and go after the quarterback. But

705
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: I mean, if we all know what that means, I mean,

706
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: Brian Burns had never been able to do that, right,

707
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 4: he can't pin his ears back. I mean, they're losing

708
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 4: the game in Carolina and the team wants to run

709
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: the ball, and so yeah, this should be fun. When

710
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: Kim was talking, I couldn't help with smile when she

711
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: was talking about Brian Burns, and hey, he's great to

712
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 4: sit down with. I mean, he's a little bit playful too.

713
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: You know, he loves his his Spider Man. You know,

714
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: he's got the Spider Man, you know, and he kind

715
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: of and so you know, Ard and I. I don't

716
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: think Kim will relate to this quite as much. But

717
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: Art and I as comic books. Spider Man, you know, officionados.

718
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 4: Somebody asked him at his locker on Wednesday, so how

719
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: Spider Man doing in New York, you know, in the city,

720
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: and he just goes without missing a beat. He goes,

721
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: I've been swinging around. I mean it's like you had

722
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: me at Hello. I mean, it's you had you know.

723
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: I could just see him up there, you know, you know,

724
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: some night after a game and he's up there swinging

725
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: around up in Manhattan, you know. And he also told

726
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: a great story about screwing up at the Lincoln Tunnel

727
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: and going through the Lincoln Tunnel and then something happened

728
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: and he he made the wrong turn and got back

729
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: and went back through the Lincoln tunnel, you know. And

730
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: so he's he's going up back in Lincoln Tunnel and

731
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: me stupidly says, you know, with the tolls, that's expensive,

732
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: which is what we would think, right geez, I got

733
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: to pay an extra fifteen bucks in the toll here,

734
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, what was his contract one something? So

735
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: you know, the easy pass is probably not the first

736
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 4: thing on his mind. But he did say he let

737
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: out a few choice words when he's going back through

738
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: the tunnel where he doesn't want to go through. So

739
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: let's hope his pathway to the quarterback when he bings

740
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: his ears back is a little more direct than you know,

741
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: going back and forth through the Lincoln Tunnel.

742
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: Sounds like a lead to a feature story that's going

743
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: to appear in the New York Post if it has

744
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: not already by the time this.

745
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: You love turf, You're.

746
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: Good at it, So you start a turf bus business grows,

747
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 6: your savings grow, become the most celebrated name in turf.

748
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: Are you ready for all that life brings?

749
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? Keep your eyes open or keep your eyes open

750
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: that could be coming to a website near you.

751
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Yes, web so I think quickly.

752
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: The question is can this front cover up where maybe

753
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: you have a lot of youth and not quite the

754
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: amount of resources put in the into the position that

755
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: that you have up front here.

756
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know necessarily if it's going to

757
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: cover up. I mean, you know, you look at all

758
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: the statistics and the performance that we want to talk

759
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: about Shane Bowen's defense in Tennessee, you pretty much see that.

760
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: You know, they've had issues on the back end. It's

761
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: not that they've ignored it, but they haven't put their

762
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: resources into the back end. So you know, you would

763
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 3: imagine that early on in the season you're gonna see

764
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: some weaknesses that show themselves. You know, a big thing

765
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: that I think everyone in this building, and I know

766
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: Brian Dable, you know, was criticized for his little what

767
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: they captured in Hard Knocks and Joe Shane's office when

768
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: he just looked at his phone and you know, spit

769
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: out the the defensive rankings of Shane Bowen when he

770
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: told Joe Shane that Shane Shane Shane that he was

771
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: going to hire him, and it was the you know,

772
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: he's you know, red zone defense is ranked you know whatever,

773
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: and you know against the run, they're ranked this. They

774
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: could not stop the run for anything under Wink Martindale,

775
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: and I think that will be a big focus for

776
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: this defense and that will set up the front because

777
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: if they can't stop the run the way they haven't

778
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: been able to stop the run the last two years,

779
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: I think they're not going to get into those past situations.

780
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: And I think all the previous defensive coordinator here wanted

781
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: was to get to second and long, third and long

782
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: and then unleash the hounds. And I think this defense

783
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: wants to play a little bit. People want to say conservative.

784
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: I think it's more strategic. I think they want to

785
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: win first down and then set themselves up for success

786
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 3: with one on ones in certain situations, and I think,

787
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, they're they're gonna be work in progress.

788
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: There's gonna be times where if it's Cordell Flott or

789
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: Nick McLeod or someone else who ends up on this

790
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: team playing opposite Tay Banks, or even Tay Banks. He's

791
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: only in his second year. He had a solid year,

792
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: but there were games where he was attacked and you

793
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: know he gained valuable lessons. I mean, I remember the

794
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: touchdown of DK Metcalf where he just lulled Tay to

795
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: sleep in the end zone and caught the touchdown. I mean,

796
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: they are very, very young. But I do think that

797
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: Okake in the middle, we know what he did last year.

798
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 3: I think he's he's a stud, and I think he's

799
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: probably vastly overrated league wide for what he brings to

800
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: this defense. I think the safeties could be pretty good here,

801
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: I really do. And I think Tyler Nuban is one

802
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: of those players that the more we see him on

803
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: the field, the more he's going to morph into a

804
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 3: leader on this team a lot faster than what people think.

805
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: So to answer your question along window way, John, I

806
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: think the secondary will have its issues, but if they

807
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: can win up front, They're going to have a lot

808
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: more positive plays than negative plays if they can put

809
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: this whole thing together.

810
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it's funny.

811
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: I think they kind of have put their resources into

812
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: the secondary art, but it's been draft pick resources, right,

813
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: And you mentioned it's a young unit. You know, you're

814
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: starting cornerback is a first round pick, your other starting

815
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: cornerbacks a third round pick. You're starting Nickels a third

816
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: round pick. You're starting safety's a second round pick. And

817
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: then you know Pinnock was a waiver claim, Dean Belton's

818
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: a fourth round And that's fine. It's just kim a

819
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: lot of youth. And it's funny when everyone talks about

820
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: the secondary where there could be some issues. I think

821
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 2: the assumption as well. At least you have Dante Banks

822
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: sitting over there, and you know he's gonna be great. Well,

823
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: to Art's point, it's his second year, he's a first

824
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: round pick. He's a lot of talent, but boy, there's

825
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on him, you know, to not

826
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: eliminate the other team's best wide receiver, but certainly to

827
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: not let the other team's best wide receiver ruin the

828
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: game for you and for a guy in his second year,

829
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: that's frankly going into a second defensive system in as

830
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: many years as An ask him to play a lot

831
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: differently than Will Wink asked him to play last year.

832
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of pressure on on on

833
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Tay Banks here to become very good, very quickly.

834
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that.

835
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: Rookies find that.

836
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 6: I mean, Joey Porter Junior and Pittsburgh started from day

837
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 6: one two and you know he people didn't like his

838
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 6: game and he's been pretty good, you know from Afar.

839
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't watch the Steelers every week, but

840
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 6: you know, he's been pretty good. I haven't seen anything

841
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: about their training camp, so I may be talking out

842
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 6: of school, but you know, I think rookies at that

843
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 6: position can come in and if they have the agility,

844
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: if they have the arm length, you know, everything they

845
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 6: measure at the combine, they can do it.

846
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: You know what I wonder what I wonder just about.

847
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about you know, you want to

848
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 4: blend at every position, right at every position group you

849
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: want to blend. And you know, I know, like like

850
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: Art said, they talked about Tyler Nuban, like he's going

851
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: to run for president, you know what I mean. They

852
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: think he's got this this incredible leadership quality to him.

853
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: So we'll see he was out a lot in the

854
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: in the summer, you know, and it's hard to just

855
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: you know, oh, he's going to be a leader, you know.

856
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: But but I think they think he will evolve into that.

857
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: But what I wonder when you mentioned about you know,

858
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: and you know both Kim and Art who talked about

859
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: Deontay Banks, what who does he lean on? You know,

860
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: let's say he's going against Justin Jefferson right in the

861
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: opener and and catch, catch, catch, he's getting frustrated. Who

862
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: who does he look at? Who is the who is

863
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: the veteran, who's the Xavier McKinney, who's the Adori Jackson?

864
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 4: You know? Who can just sit him down and say, look, look, okay,

865
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: this is what I'm seeing. Calm down. It's not going

866
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: to be caught up flat. It's not gonna be Nick McLoud,

867
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: It's not going to be Nuben you know, I mean

868
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: Jason Pinnock. Maybe you know what I'm saying that there's

869
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: there's no who's and and I'm not saying it. Just look,

870
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: they signed Jalen Mills, right, and we al thought, you know,

871
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: the Green Goblin another comic book reference, right, you know,

872
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: he's gonna come in and be like the third safety

873
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: and be a veteran back there. And he got hurt

874
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: and he didn't make the team. So, as Kim is right,

875
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: they could have signed a cornerback or a safety with

876
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: five or six years in the league who maybe has

877
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: lost a little something. But he's a veteran, Okay, we

878
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: kind of know what he can do when you plug

879
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 4: him in, and they chose not to go that way. Really,

880
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: Trey Herndon was here all summer, right, and he you know,

881
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: so I get it they're going to have a lot

882
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: of young guys there, and I just wonder you mentioned

883
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: Deontay Banks, right, I mean, it's a lot on him.

884
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: He's a first round pick, and you know, he he

885
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 4: he continued, know that that's the responsibility and that comes

886
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 4: with it being a first round pick. But yeah, they

887
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 4: they did not surround him with Yeah, well, who knows,

888
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 4: maybe he won't get any action, maybe just be throwing

889
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: a flot in McCloud all day, and you know, he

890
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 4: doesn't have to worry about covering anybody, all.

891
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Right, Final question for you are before we kind of

892
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: get our overall season predictions or atlos hoever you want

893
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: to look at it. I ran the numbers yesterday of

894
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: the Giants fifty three guys in their initial roster, which

895
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure will be different by the time this air

896
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: is on Monday, twenty five players that are twenty four

897
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: years old or younger. Thirty two of their fifty three

898
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: players have four years of experience or fewer. This is

899
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: a young team and the success of this team, largely

900
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: to me, is going to depend upon the players the

901
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: Giants are drafted over the past four years taking that

902
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: next step. I think they feel like they have players

903
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: in the building that have ability and of skill, whether

904
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: it's because of injury or other reasons, they have not

905
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: met that potential yet. A lot of times it takes

906
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: some young guys time. There's nothing wrong with that, but

907
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: I think largely, you know, we talked about the Brian

908
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: Burns and the deck to Lawrence Andrew Thomas.

909
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: You have to get what you know you're gonna get

910
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: out of your star players.

911
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: But if this team really doesn't want to be better

912
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: and for the floor to get, you know, Risen and

913
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: the Tides lifting all boats. These young guys have to

914
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: become the players that I think the Giants thought this

915
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: year when they drafted him.

916
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very fair. You know, we talked Tay Banks.

917
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: You know, that comes to to Kevon Thibodeau too, you know.

918
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: And the receivers.

919
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the receivers. You know, I think that's what

920
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: you know. I've talked to some Giants fans about the receivers,

921
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: and I think we all have dealt with Jalen Hyatt

922
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: and believe in his talent and what kind of player

923
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: he can be. But if you're comparing Darius Slayton to

924
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: Jalen Hyatt, to me, there's no question right now, the

925
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: better receiver, the more seasoned receiver, is Darius Slayton. Now

926
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: do the Giants get caught in the middle of, you

927
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: know what, we want to play Hiatt, so Slayton's kind

928
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: of getting scraps And I don't mean that negatively. I

929
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: just mean, you know, he's the fourth guy in or

930
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: do they look at it and say, you know what,

931
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: we got to keep Slayton on the field and let

932
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: Jalen be the home run threat because we still have

933
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: more faith in Slayton, you know, getting open in a

934
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: different route combinations. So to your point, I mean we're

935
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: talking Colorido Flott. He's a third third year, third round pick.

936
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: Those guys get on the field and show whether or

937
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: not they can sink or swim. I think, out of

938
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: all the younger players on the Strawster that they're relying on,

939
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: the one guy that probably doesn't get talked about enough

940
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: is John Michael Schmidt.

941
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: No Art, I think, I don't think we had mentioned

942
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: his name yet on this podcast. All I'm happy you did.

943
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: All right, final thoughts to your guys, Kim, let's start

944
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: with you. Just give me what you think this season

945
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: is going to look like and maybe the one factor

946
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: that you think can turn this season that's going to

947
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: determine whether or not it's going to be successful or

948
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: it might end up being disappointing.

949
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I for news Day, I picked them

950
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 6: at seven wins, So I don't have, you know, dramatically

951
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 6: high expectations for this team, but in the preseason they've

952
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 6: earned that in my opinion, because of the shortness of

953
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 6: the quarterback situation, you also wonder about just the everything beyond.

954
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 5: The front led by Dexter.

955
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: So you know, I look at this team, and I

956
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 6: just see too many holes that you know, to my

957
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 6: eye shouldn't still be there. I know it's easy for

958
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 6: me to say as I sit here in my kitchen,

959
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 6: you know, evaluating, but you know they've left themselves short,

960
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 6: particularly at corner where you absolutely can't.

961
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Paul, what so king goes with corner

962
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: as the thing that might sway the season?

963
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: Here?

964
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Paul, how about you?

965
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Where are you in terms of what the season is

966
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: going to look like and what factor or position group

967
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: or what however you want to take It will kind

968
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: of determine whether or not this is a successful season

969
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: or a disappointing one.

970
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: If I could know, look in the future, think of

971
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: one stat now that will be at the end of

972
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: the year. You know which stat would it be that

973
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: will help me determine if the Giants are any good.

974
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: Now you can say, you know Eligue neighbors one hundred

975
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: and twenty catches, or you know Keevon Thibodeaux fifteen sacks.

976
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: To me, the one number is Daniel Jones starts, Daniel

977
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: Jones starts. If you tell me it's fifteen or more,

978
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: I would say they have they can win, They can

979
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: win eight, nine, ten games, because number one, he's healthy.

980
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 4: Number two, he didn't play so badly that they say,

981
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: you know what, we got to just make a move

982
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: here or whatever. I mean, I don't think anyone in

983
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 4: the building is salivating it saying you know, we you know,

984
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: we got Drew Locke, we can always put him in.

985
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: I don't think they're thinking that. I really don't, you know.

986
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 4: I think they want Daniel Jones to be the starter.

987
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: So if he starts almost every game, I think that

988
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 4: means he's healthy, and that means that he's functioning enough.

989
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: So give me his starts and I'll tell you. If

990
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: it's eight or nine not good enough, they could be

991
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 4: in big trouble. If it's fourteen, fifteen or more, I

992
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: think they could be okay.

993
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: All right, So we got cornerback and quarterback. I think

994
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: those are two very good spots. And look at Art,

995
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: how about you.

996
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to the word that I

997
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: used earlier, and it's not necessarily a position group. It's

998
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: it's the explosive plays. I think if you look at

999
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: the end of the season and you say this team

1000
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 3: had much more explosive plays on offense, then they gave

1001
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: up on defense. I think they're probably going to be

1002
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: sitting right around eight nine wins and really pushing to

1003
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: try to surprise people and get into the playoffs. Again,

1004
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: I think if it's tilted in the other direction, that

1005
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: they're giving up way too many big plays on the outside,

1006
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: you know, defensively, and we've seen a little bit of that,

1007
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: and that's one of the reasons why there was so

1008
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: much concern at times and the practices in the practice

1009
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: with the Jets that they were just seemed like there

1010
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: were plays being made downfield that the secondary you know,

1011
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't just one on one big plays. It was

1012
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: just kind of guys running open that kind of thing.

1013
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: If they can create the explosive plays on offense, to me,

1014
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: that means the offensive line is doing its job. It

1015
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: means Daniel Jones is feeling confident enough to take shots downfield,

1016
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: and it means that Malik Neighbors and the rest of

1017
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: the receivers are doing their job and you know, completing

1018
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: the plays and getting down. So that's what I say.

1019
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: I say it comes down to the explosive plays. You

1020
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: cannot win in this league without explosive plays, and I

1021
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: think that's why Dable's calling the plays. I think that's

1022
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: why they have Moleague neighbors here. That's why they did

1023
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: what they did on the offensive line, because they know

1024
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: they need to throw the football and cash it and

1025
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: to score points, which they have not done each of

1026
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: the past two seasons. It's been a major grind. And

1027
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: if they think they're going to give up three to

1028
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: four touchdowns a game, they better be scoring four touchdowns

1029
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: a game because if they're not, the record is not

1030
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: going to be anywhere near what they hope it's going

1031
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: to be.

1032
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with sack differential. Maybe I'm cheating

1033
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: because I get to take both sides of the ball here.

1034
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: But as amazing as this will sound, I think people

1035
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: haven't have downplayed exactly how bad the Giants.

1036
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: Pass protection was last year.

1037
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: And they give up the second most sacks in the

1038
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: history of the NFL eighty five.

1039
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: That's five sacks a game. That is insanity.

1040
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Only the Eagles in the mid eighties, when Randall cannemc

1041
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: Cunningham was a rookie who was running around not knowing

1042
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: what the heck he was doing, has a team given

1043
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: him more sacks than the Giants.

1044
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: They need to close that gap.

1045
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: I don't have on the tip of my tongue how

1046
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: many team sacks the Giants on on defense last year.

1047
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if any of you guys.

1048
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: Do, but that gap needs to close to get to

1049
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 2: close to even you know, can you have as many

1050
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: sacks with your defensive front as you give up sacks

1051
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: on offense. To Paul's point, that shows you a couple

1052
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: things in terms of sacks alat. It shows you that

1053
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and Brian Dable are vibing right, and he's

1054
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: getting the ball out quickly, and the offenses were because

1055
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: he's not taking the sacks, the offensive line is playing better.

1056
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: And then if the defense is getting more sacks, all

1057
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: these investments in the front is working. You're probably playing

1058
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 2: with more leads and you're having opportunity to get more sacked.

1059
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: So I think those four points that I think all

1060
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: of us made, you put them together, and I think

1061
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: those really will determine what the Giants will do. All right,

1062
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: each one of you real quick, heym Let's start with you.

1063
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Where can everybody find your fantastic.

1064
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 5: Work at newsday dot com?

1065
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: Paul Schwartz, Well, you go to your local news stand

1066
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: and the New York Coast will be sitting there. But

1067
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 4: if you don't know what a local news stand is,

1068
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: then Nypost dot Com. Of Twitter, I have some kind

1069
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: of handle with an underscore in it, which is just obscene,

1070
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: but they made the thing, and nobody knows what an

1071
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 4: underscore is. But I have one in my Twitter handle.

1072
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: So and also a very very attractive, very personal picture

1073
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: of the best pizza pie I've ever eaten, So that

1074
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: is also my Twitter handle, So you will be hungry

1075
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Speaker 4: for more. I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: Are about you, all right.

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Speaker 3: It's North Jersey dot Com, North Jersey dot Com, not

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Speaker 3: the other competitor that we always fight up against. And

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Speaker 3: but you mentioned the podcast earlier all in with Art Stapleton.

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Speaker 3: It's we're doing everything video now. So it's on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: all your podcast platforms and social media, in which I

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Speaker 3: still spend way too much time on. It's art underscore Stapleton.

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Speaker 3: See I got that underscore too, Paul, But unlike you,

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Speaker 3: I spend way too much time on social media, so

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Speaker 3: I kind of know it by my heart.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Bo guys and gals enjoy sometime off social media this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully there's no breaking news that any of us have

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Speaker 2: to deal with it. We can actually have our.

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Speaker 1: Only weekend off for the next four and a half months.

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Speaker 1: Good times.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Ken, thank you to Art, thank you

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Speaker 2: to Paul, and I appreciate your time as always doing

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Speaker 2: this everybody this this time of year. I know the

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Speaker 2: fans enjoyed. I do as well. Everybody, enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 2: We got Giants and Vikings less than a week away.

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Speaker 2: When this Arizon Labor Day can't wait. We'll see you then,

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Speaker 2: everybody on the Giants Total podcast presented by Citizens, the

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Speaker 2: Official Bank of the Giants,