1
00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:08,720
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Do you remember the name

2
00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Elijah View?

3
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,200
Speaker 2: I do.

4
00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 1: Elijah is a three year old Wisconsin boy who seemingly

5
00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,560
Speaker 1: vanished in February. In the last hours, a bombshell development

6
00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360
Speaker 1: in the case of three year old Elijah View. I'm

7
00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,480
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with

8
00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 1: us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius x one eleven.

9
00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,280
Speaker 1: In the last hours, Elijah View's mother's boyfriend ordered to

10
00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,440
Speaker 1: stand trial on neglect. According to reports, the boyfriend was

11
00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,080
Speaker 1: the one caring for the three year old taught when

12
00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,320
Speaker 1: he seemingly vanished into thin air. After hearing testimony from

13
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,960
Speaker 1: two law enforcement officers, a county judge rules there is

14
00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,560
Speaker 1: enough evidence to move forward with the case against thirty

15
00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,039
Speaker 1: nine year old Jesse Vang and baby Elijah View's disappearance.

16
00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,759
Speaker 1: The judge also wisely denied a defense motion to drop

17
00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,520
Speaker 1: the case against Vang. Boy, they got a lot of

18
00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,959
Speaker 1: nerve asking the judge to throw the case out.

19
00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,480
Speaker 2: Uh uh.

20
00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,679
Speaker 1: The two Rivers, Wisconsin man formally charged in February with

21
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,280
Speaker 1: one felony count of party to a crime child neglect

22
00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:30,800
Speaker 1: in Elijah's disappearance. Now Vang is the boyfriend of Elijah's mother,

23
00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,040
Speaker 1: if you can call her that, Katrina Bower of Wisconsin

24
00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,840
Speaker 1: Dell's who was charged also in February with one felony

25
00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,640
Speaker 1: count of party to a crime child neglect, two counts

26
00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,279
Speaker 1: resisting or obstructing an officer. Now, as you recall, little

27
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,320
Speaker 1: Elijah was last seen at a residence in Two Rivers,

28
00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,440
Speaker 1: thirty miles southeast of Green Bay, where Bower, thirty one,

29
00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,840
Speaker 1: left her son to stay with Vang with a long

30
00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 1: criminal history, because she wanted to teach the youngster at

31
00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,200
Speaker 1: the little boy three years old to quote be a man.

32
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,280
Speaker 3: Really.

33
00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,120
Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what we

34
00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160
Speaker 1: know right now from the police chief.

35
00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,760
Speaker 2: Listen, this child.

36
00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,800
Speaker 4: Was three years old and was reported missing a cold

37
00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,680
Speaker 4: winter temperature day with only a blanket and possibly light clothing,

38
00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,120
Speaker 4: and we knew at that time possibly three to four hours.

39
00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,160
Speaker 4: I define that as endangered.

40
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,399
Speaker 5: I immediately reached out, with the assistance of my staff,

41
00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,559
Speaker 5: to the Division of Criminal Investigation.

42
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,120
Speaker 3: This is not about me.

43
00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,320
Speaker 4: This has always been about bringing Elijah home.

44
00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,680
Speaker 3: And quickly they.

45
00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,240
Speaker 4: Led that investigation into his wareboats with the support of

46
00:02:54,280 --> 00:03:01,200
Speaker 4: our FBI. We also utilized almost any bullet U TV

47
00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,519
Speaker 4: Drone Kean and even National Guard pelicachleers to search for Elijah.

48
00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,960
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Elijah wasn't.

49
00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,120
Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

50
00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,919
Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first to Aisha Morales

51
00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,840
Speaker 1: joining us WBAYTV two out of Green Bay.

52
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,639
Speaker 2: Aisha, thank you for being with us.

53
00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,440
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, first of all, when did

54
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,000
Speaker 1: he go missing?

55
00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,680
Speaker 2: Go missing? And when was he reported missing?

56
00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 1: What do we know, Aisha, because those two moments in

57
00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 1: time could be very, very different.

58
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:37,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

59
00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,640
Speaker 7: So initially when we got these reports, we were learning

60
00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,160
Speaker 7: that it was February twentieth, so a week ago yesterday,

61
00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,160
Speaker 7: February twentieth. From what we know now with the criminal complaints,

62
00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,920
Speaker 7: there is a discrepancy, and we reported on that here

63
00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,880
Speaker 7: in Green Bay and talking about how Vang initially told

64
00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,840
Speaker 7: police that he went missing around eleven eight on February twentieth,

65
00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,720
Speaker 7: and then the story did change a little bit, and

66
00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760
Speaker 7: now we know that he actually went missing around eight am.

67
00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,760
Speaker 7: And as you know, any minute a child is gone,

68
00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,640
Speaker 7: it matters. And so there was that first discrepancy with

69
00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,960
Speaker 7: regards to the time that he disappeared, or at least

70
00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,480
Speaker 7: the time that he was reported missing by Van himself.

71
00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,039
Speaker 1: Hold on, so one report he was missing, he was

72
00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,200
Speaker 1: gone at eight am on Feb twenty.

73
00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,320
Speaker 2: What was the other time? I didn't get that? When

74
00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:33,680
Speaker 2: was that?

75
00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,479
Speaker 8: Eleven am? Was the initial report?

76
00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,479
Speaker 1: Feb twenty is a Tuesday. I'm trying to figure out.

77
00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,200
Speaker 1: So there's a big discrepancy between eleven am and eight am,

78
00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of people may think, oh, that's just

79
00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,440
Speaker 1: four hours.

80
00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,160
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.

81
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,160
Speaker 1: Somebody's driving sixty miles an hour times four, that's two

82
00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 1: hundred and forty miles before he's reported missing. And I've

83
00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,919
Speaker 1: got another problem with that. Let me go out to

84
00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Thomas E. Fisher joining us former Milwaukee PD police detective,

85
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:14,360
Speaker 1: now owner of Thomas Fisher Investigations dot com.

86
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,640
Speaker 2: Thomas, thank you for being with us. I have a

87
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,880
Speaker 2: problem with that because I.

88
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,320
Speaker 1: Can tell you right now what time my children wake

89
00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,000
Speaker 1: up in the morning. My daughter gets up at six

90
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:34,159
Speaker 1: five am, my son gets up at seven five am.

91
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,880
Speaker 2: And I know they're up because I go and check

92
00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,760
Speaker 2: on them.

93
00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:43,080
Speaker 1: So how can you, at the best, Thomas Fisher, how

94
00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,600
Speaker 1: can you not know where your child is for four

95
00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,320
Speaker 1: hours between eight three hours between eight and eleven if

96
00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,840
Speaker 1: they're in the home right there, I.

97
00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,520
Speaker 2: Got a problem.

98
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,240
Speaker 9: That's a very good point. Basically, you have somebody that

99
00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,960
Speaker 9: was not watching this child or support of this trailed

100
00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,960
Speaker 9: someplace else. Based on what we know and what the

101
00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,360
Speaker 9: investigation has revealed to date, is that he was disciplined.

102
00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,160
Speaker 9: Disciplined that should not be given to a three year old.

103
00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Thomas Fisher, you are the former Milwaukee

104
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,839
Speaker 1: police and detective and you are the owner, let me say,

105
00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:26,000
Speaker 1: a highly successful private investigative firm. But you left out

106
00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320
Speaker 1: another glaring possibility.

107
00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,920
Speaker 2: They're lying. You said either they weren't.

108
00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,279
Speaker 1: Watching them or something about the time discrepancy, or they're lying.

109
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,040
Speaker 1: And can I just point out to you, Daryl Cohen,

110
00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,719
Speaker 1: jumping off what Fisher just said. You're the former prosecutor

111
00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,520
Speaker 1: now veteran defense attorney, Darryl Cohen, what do you do?

112
00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,160
Speaker 1: How do you explain that to a jury, if there

113
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,039
Speaker 1: ever is one, how you weren't watching your child in

114
00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:57,680
Speaker 1: your own home.

115
00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that hard in your own home

116
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,279
Speaker 2: to know where.

117
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,880
Speaker 1: Your child is for three hours. Coincidentally, on the very

118
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,480
Speaker 1: day he goes missing. A three year old shouldn't be

119
00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 1: out of your site.

120
00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,040
Speaker 3: Darryl Nancy at the age of three, he or she

121
00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 3: in this case, he doesn't have to be out of

122
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,280
Speaker 3: your sight for you to know where he is, because

123
00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,720
Speaker 3: you hear the noises that he's making, the absolute chaos

124
00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,600
Speaker 3: that comes with a three year old. So you don't

125
00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,520
Speaker 3: explain that to a jury. You have to keep your

126
00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,800
Speaker 3: damn big mouth shut and not say anything. But it's

127
00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,520
Speaker 3: really sad that he has disappeared, and we hope that

128
00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 3: he will be located and located, alive and located. Okay,

129
00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,280
Speaker 3: there's no excuse for parenting the way she is trying

130
00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,600
Speaker 3: to do it. It's non parenting. It's prosecutable nonparenting. You don't

131
00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,120
Speaker 3: have to see your child. Just because you think your

132
00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,840
Speaker 3: child's in the house doesn't mean he is in the house.

133
00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,680
Speaker 3: You can be in the kitchen, he may or may

134
00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,800
Speaker 3: not be in his bedroom. You don't have to look

135
00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,760
Speaker 3: at him all of the time, you don't have to

136
00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480
Speaker 3: hear him all of the time, you don't have to

137
00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,160
Speaker 3: be with him all the time, and suddenly when you

138
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,560
Speaker 3: go look for him, he's not there. That's reasonable, that's explainable.

139
00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 3: It's something that you have to deal with.

140
00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,520
Speaker 2: Daryl Conin, where exactly did you go to law school?

141
00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,480
Speaker 3: I think the same place you did. That's probably a Macon.

142
00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,000
Speaker 1: Georgia for an NYU because obviously you didn't get the

143
00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,640
Speaker 1: class on BS technical legal term. Good luck telling that

144
00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 1: to you a jury. You don't have to see your

145
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,320
Speaker 1: child to know that he's okay, and you know it's

146
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,960
Speaker 1: a miracle. I've met your daughters, beautiful, It's a miracle

147
00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,280
Speaker 1: they grew up safe and sound and apparently sane when

148
00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,560
Speaker 1: daddy didn't know where they were half the time. Let's

149
00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,120
Speaker 1: get back on this case. I'm wandering for a field.

150
00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,280
Speaker 1: I want to hear more of what the police have

151
00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,319
Speaker 1: to say about their search efforts, and think about it.

152
00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,360
Speaker 1: A three year old little boy Wbay and Thomas Fisher.

153
00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,439
Speaker 2: Want to eat side of Milwaukee.

154
00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,400
Speaker 1: What were the temperatures around this time feb twenty Tuesday morning,

155
00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,439
Speaker 1: eight a m. Or eleven, depending on what the parents

156
00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,400
Speaker 1: feel like saying at that.

157
00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,240
Speaker 2: Moment, But what was the temp? How cold is it there?

158
00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,640
Speaker 7: It was a mild day actually in comparison to other

159
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,080
Speaker 7: February days. We do remember that, but we also know

160
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,520
Speaker 7: that he is forty five pounds or so, so anything

161
00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,760
Speaker 7: below fifty degrees forty degrees, even though it's mild for

162
00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,559
Speaker 7: Wisconsin standards, it was still pretty chilly. You would need

163
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,480
Speaker 7: a jacket or at least a co and he didn't,

164
00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,560
Speaker 7: from what I understand, didn't have that.

165
00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,880
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute. You call thirty degrees mild. We

166
00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,280
Speaker 1: do here in Wisconsin. Okay, I understand that where I'm from,

167
00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,079
Speaker 1: that is like you're in the Antarctic at thirty degrees. Okay,

168
00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 1: So for me, thirty degrees is cold, and I'm wondering

169
00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 1: how that would have affected this child hypothermia. Why, but

170
00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm opening up a whole other can worms. Let's get

171
00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,319
Speaker 1: back to the search. Listen again to police Chaef be

172
00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,440
Speaker 1: in my heart.

173
00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:12,040
Speaker 5: Those leads, those investigations, everything we've taken as tips have led.

174
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,760
Speaker 4: To searching our neighborhoods, searching all.

175
00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:22,160
Speaker 5: Our waterways, foot canvases, both urban and rural, throughout Manitoua

176
00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 5: County and even beyond. We've searched Wisconsin land and buies,

177
00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,479
Speaker 5: and we've even had additional leads in Wisconsin.

178
00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:37,319
Speaker 4: Does In addition to all those search efforts, I amost

179
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:46,599
Speaker 4: other investigations taking place. I can confirm Elijah's mother, Katrina Bower,

180
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,520
Speaker 4: is in jail. I'm charges of child neglect and obstructing.

181
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,960
Speaker 4: Katrina's boyfriend, Jesse Bang is in jail on charges of

182
00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,920
Speaker 4: child neglect and I do know Elijah's father has also

183
00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 4: been incarcerated at Ashkosh Correctional Institute in unrelated matters since

184
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.

185
00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,320
Speaker 1: Welcome back in the Last Hour's Mommy's Living is ordered

186
00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,040
Speaker 1: to stand trial and the disappearance of a three year

187
00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,360
Speaker 1: old Wisconsin boy, Elijah view the mother again that just

188
00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,959
Speaker 1: sticks in my throat to call her that Katrina Bauer

189
00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: sent her talk to this convicted felon to quote teach

190
00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:51,559
Speaker 1: him to be a man thang. The boyfriend calls police

191
00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,800
Speaker 1: and reports Elijah missing, telling cops, oh, this is the

192
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,880
Speaker 1: oldest one in the book. He took a nap, brought

193
00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,880
Speaker 1: the three year old in his bed room with him,

194
00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: but it woke three hours later and Elijah was gone.

195
00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,199
Speaker 3: Right.

196
00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 2: What more do we know about the case?

197
00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,280
Speaker 1: Joining me is Mike Hadseel, President founder Peace River Canine

198
00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:20,480
Speaker 1: Search and Rescue. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony was

199
00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 1: found She was murdered by her mother, tot mom Casey Anthony.

200
00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 1: She was wrapped and her favorite I believe it was

201
00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,199
Speaker 1: a Disney princess could have been a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

202
00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,400
Speaker 1: She had that with her, and you know what, that's

203
00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 1: a sign of Mike hadseel that someone connected to the

204
00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,480
Speaker 1: child killed and Barry disposed of the child because the

205
00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,760
Speaker 1: child has a personal belonging with the child when it

206
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:56,240
Speaker 1: is discarded or disposed. Mike hadseel, what should the search

207
00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,560
Speaker 1: be encompassing? This is cold, it's in two rivers, Wisconsin.

208
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,439
Speaker 1: There's bodies of water. You hear that they're out, boots

209
00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,680
Speaker 1: on the ground. They've been walking the neighborhoods. They've searched

210
00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,040
Speaker 1: the water wasys. I don't know to what extent. Have

211
00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,120
Speaker 1: they used sonar? Have they used divers to meet waterways?

212
00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,000
Speaker 1: Or a forest would be an obvious choice to dispose

213
00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 1: of a child.

214
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm still praying he's alive. Mike Hatzill, where is he?

215
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,680
Speaker 10: Well, you have two options on this, So we have

216
00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,800
Speaker 10: to want to assume that he's alive and he ran away.

217
00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,400
Speaker 10: So if you did that Chile, children of that age

218
00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,280
Speaker 10: don't wander far from home. They just want to get

219
00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,080
Speaker 10: out of site because they want to scare the parent

220
00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,400
Speaker 10: and you know, shake things up. And so usually we

221
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,440
Speaker 10: find that within a half a mile of the house,

222
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,360
Speaker 10: usually near a structure, another apartment building or sheds, things

223
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,679
Speaker 10: like that. That's usually where we locate him because you're

224
00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 10: going to try to stay warm. On the other side,

225
00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:57,080
Speaker 10: if something infurious happened and the child was murdered or

226
00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520
Speaker 10: died for some reason, they decided to dispose of the remains,

227
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,800
Speaker 10: he's going to be Oh gosh, where are you going

228
00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240
Speaker 10: to start. I mean, there's so much wooded area around there.

229
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,880
Speaker 10: There's a lot of rivers. The easiest disposal, of course,

230
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,000
Speaker 10: would be in the rivers. One of the disturbing facts

231
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,880
Speaker 10: that came up was the shoe that was found in

232
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,040
Speaker 10: one of the dumpsters that they say may belong to

233
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,120
Speaker 10: the child, which I do believe led to the landfill

234
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,760
Speaker 10: search that they were working on. If that's happened, then

235
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,040
Speaker 10: they're going to have to move quickly because the remains

236
00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 10: won't last long and that landfill.

237
00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:35,040
Speaker 1: You know, Mike Hatsel, everything you said is perfectly correct, but.

238
00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,000
Speaker 2: Horrible.

239
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,120
Speaker 1: Aisha Morales w b A Y TV two, Please tell

240
00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,120
Speaker 1: me about the landfill search.

241
00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,760
Speaker 7: Sure, So, as soon as they were told that the shoe,

242
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,840
Speaker 7: like you said, the shoe was there was found, they

243
00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,160
Speaker 7: initiated that landfill search. I remember that day and our

244
00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,120
Speaker 7: partner Station Milwaukee was able to get aerial shots of that.

245
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,960
Speaker 8: They had love.

246
00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,400
Speaker 7: They had people searching, investigators there, it didn't seem to

247
00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,400
Speaker 7: amount to much. We haven't actually spoken about the landfill search.

248
00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,040
Speaker 7: It's been nothing but people the community searching. But as

249
00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,400
Speaker 7: far as the landfill, we have not heard anything about

250
00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 7: what they possibly found if they continued to search. But

251
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,440
Speaker 7: even after a day, it was kind of quiet at

252
00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,040
Speaker 7: the landfill.

253
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,040
Speaker 1: To i Asha Morales w ba Y TV too, where

254
00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,480
Speaker 1: is that landfill as it relates to where the boyfriend

255
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,640
Speaker 1: was keeping Elijah.

256
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,720
Speaker 7: It shouldn't be too far away. I think it's within

257
00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,960
Speaker 7: the same hour or so for the county. But that's

258
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,680
Speaker 7: just it. There could be multiple landfills too. I know

259
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,280
Speaker 7: that some people were mentioning that trash day, you know.

260
00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,119
Speaker 8: So that was uncertain.

261
00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,240
Speaker 7: The thing is is that there is a lot of

262
00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 7: miss that leads to some of these searches and landfill.

263
00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,880
Speaker 8: The landfill included in that.

264
00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,960
Speaker 7: So I was seeing in a group on Facebook that

265
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,120
Speaker 7: a lot of people were.

266
00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,680
Speaker 8: Chatting about the shoe.

267
00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,480
Speaker 7: We're chatting about trash Day, and a lot of those

268
00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,320
Speaker 7: tips led to the landfill search.

269
00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,360
Speaker 8: But it's not too far from that area.

270
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,880
Speaker 1: Why in the world what a woman picked this guy

271
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:27,200
Speaker 1: with mugshots dating back for years to quote discipline her child,

272
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,840
Speaker 1: Aisha Morales.

273
00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,640
Speaker 2: What's on his rap sheet?

274
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 7: There's a lot of different charges including child abuse for sure,

275
00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,760
Speaker 7: fleeing an officer. You guys have in possession of cocaine,

276
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,800
Speaker 7: drug bail jumping, lots of disorderly conduct type of charges,

277
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 7: but child abuse is on there.

278
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,880
Speaker 8: So that was one of the first things that we

279
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,840
Speaker 8: noticed as well.

280
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,880
Speaker 1: Child abuse, fleeing officer, manufacturing, deliver, possession cocaine. That's cocaine

281
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,280
Speaker 1: with intent to distribute. That's a major felony. Resisting an officer,

282
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,680
Speaker 1: possession cocaine, resisting in officer, bell jumping DC and DUI.

283
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,440
Speaker 1: And that's who is going to take care of your child?

284
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,639
Speaker 1: Joining me right now, special guests from childhelp dot org.

285
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,240
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it or heard of it, go

286
00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,479
Speaker 1: online child help one word dot org. Megan Crime is

287
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,120
Speaker 1: joining us. Director of Communications, Megan. Do you know how

288
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:31,160
Speaker 1: many millions of people would have paid sixty seventy eighty

289
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to buy adopt a little boy

290
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,800
Speaker 1: like Elijah Vu, But yet these two keep him and

291
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,360
Speaker 1: did you see what they did to quote, discipline him,

292
00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,679
Speaker 1: make him stand for hours on end, saying I'm sorry, mommy,

293
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mummy. Forced

294
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,639
Speaker 1: to take coal showers, stand for hours on end, stay

295
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,399
Speaker 1: in a dirty dipe band from playing with the only

296
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 1: toy he had at Vang's house, a tool kit, because

297
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,439
Speaker 1: he was on quote extended time out. Megan crying, I

298
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 1: don't understand with all of these mugshots, all of these offenses,

299
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,720
Speaker 1: somehow this little angel was.

300
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,280
Speaker 2: Born and then he goes missing.

301
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,400
Speaker 6: Yes, it's heartbreaking, and you wonder we have seen those

302
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 6: beautiful photos of Elijah. You know, it didn't seem like

303
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,439
Speaker 6: he was always abuse right, like he was in that

304
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 6: little car, he had his second birthday cake.

305
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,400
Speaker 2: He was well dressed. So it just wonders what happened. No,

306
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

307
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,040
Speaker 1: I rarely disagree with you, Megan Crime, but I do

308
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 1: now remember the Turpen family in the house of hers,

309
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,119
Speaker 1: where the mother and father would dress them up and matching.

310
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 2: They were like eight or nine of them.

311
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 1: There were a lot of children and they would be

312
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 1: dressed up in matching outfits. And I mean the whole shebang,

313
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 1: matching t shirts, catching bows, matching dresses, all these photos

314
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 1: of them at Disney at various functions.

315
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: But yet when they went home, they.

316
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 1: Were shackled to the bed, starved, tortured with.

317
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 2: Putting food in front of them but not letting them eat.

318
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,640
Speaker 2: There were scratch marks.

319
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 1: On the inside of a closet bedroom door where they

320
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 1: wanted in a closet trying to get out, put in

321
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 1: a dark closet.

322
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 2: Chaye.

323
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 1: They had thirteen children, called the House of Harrison.

324
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 2: They looked great on the outside.

325
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, putting on a show for everyone else to make

326
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 6: people think that you're a wonderful parent, and parenting can

327
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 6: be is hard, and we have there's so many resources

328
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 6: out there, and as somebody, if you see something, if

329
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 6: you know if I just find it also hard to

330
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 6: believe that nobody thought anything was going on with Elijah

331
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 6: when he's getting shipped off to his mom's boyfriends for

332
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 6: discipline at three years.

333
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if anybody else even knew

334
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 1: about it. Guys, we're to the point now where police

335
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: are begging the public for help. A little bit more

336
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: from Chief Minor.

337
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 4: Listen, this child was three years old, and was reported

338
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 4: missing a whole winter temperature day with only a blanket

339
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 4: and possibly lay clothing, and we knew at that time

340
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 4: possibly three to four hours. I define that as in dager.

341
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 1: You darn right it's in danger. But now I want

342
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: you to hear about what led up to the nine

343
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: one one missing call. Take us to Nicole Parton Crime Online.

344
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 11: February twenty ten, fifty nine am Jesse Vain calls nine

345
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 11: to one one to report the three year old boy

346
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 11: he cares for is missing. Vain says he fell asleep

347
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 11: caring for Elijah Vu at eight am, and when he

348
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 11: woke up at just before eleven am, Elijah was gone.

349
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 11: He is last seen wearing gray sweatpants, a long sleeved

350
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 11: dark colored shirt, and red and green dinosaurs slip on shoes.

351
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: Thomas E. Fisher joining me.

352
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: Former Milwaukee p Day now runs his own PI. Tom,

353
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how many children just disappear while

354
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: mommy or daddy's sleeping.

355
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, that doesn't happen too often. No, I've seen cases

356
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 9: like that over the years, but it's usually something else

357
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 9: that occurred.

358
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 2: A lie.

359
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: Yes, why this guy, out of all the men in

360
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: the universe? She picks this one to discipline her child. Okay,

361
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: that said police asking for help. Take a listen to

362
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: Rachel Bonia crime online.

363
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 12: The search continues for Elijah Vu, with many in the

364
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 12: public asking how a three year old can leave an

365
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 12: apartment and go missing on his own. The local police

366
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 12: ask for help at the state and federal level, and

367
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 12: soon the FBI are on hand to help. Local and

368
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 12: regional groups use boats to search. Rivers and streams will

369
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 12: are conducted with drones. Canine units are brought in for

370
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 12: searches on land. But three year old Elijah is still missing.

371
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: And family is pleading for help. Listen on behalf of

372
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: my family.

373
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 13: We stay in before you to day with having hearts

374
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 13: burden fund an unmanageable situation.

375
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 9: The pain is indescribable, a torrent.

376
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 13: No family or childsh with over face.

377
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: We cannot express the death of our sorrow, nor the

378
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: desperation that comes.

379
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: From us as each moment passes without moves of eliges safety.

380
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: To anyone who may have information about Elijah's where else,

381
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 3: We plead with you to police come forward.

382
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: Your courage, your compassion, your willingness to speak of may

383
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: hold a key to eligis safety. You're hearing Elijah's aunt

384
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: is certainly not his mother or boyfriend asking for help.

385
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: Wonder why, Wonder why they aren't asking for him to

386
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: be found.

387
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: That's a whole other can of worms.

388
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: But now take a listen to what actually happened to

389
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: Elijah Vue while he was at his boot camp with

390
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: the convicted felon. Listen to Dave matt Crime Online.

391
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 14: Elijah's mother is thirty one year old Katrina Bauer, but

392
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 14: she wasn't watching her son at the time he went missing.

393
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 14: Bauer's boyfriend, thirty nine year old Jesse Wang, has been

394
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 14: taking care of the boy. Bauer says she's letting Jesse

395
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 14: Bang discipline Elijah vu helping to teach him to be

396
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 14: a man. The three year old is not potty trained

397
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 14: and still takes a bottle, but Vang puts him in

398
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 14: time out when he disobeys an order. Jesse Fang explains

399
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 14: time out as a time where the three year old

400
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 14: must stand in one place and repeat I'm sorry, mommy.

401
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: As you will recall. An ambrol or was issue for

402
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: Elijah view of two Rivers. Wisconsin wild Cops said at

403
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: the time they thought he was in imminent danger. There

404
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: was never any description of a potential suspect or vehicle.

405
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Maybe Elijah three feet tall, only weighs about forty five pounds,

406
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: blonde hair, brown eyes.

407
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: He has a.

408
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Birthmark on his left knee, and he was last seen

409
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: wearing gray sweatpants, a dark long sleeved shirt, and red

410
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: and green dinosaur slippers. He may be carrying his favorite

411
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: plaid blanket.

412
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: Just so you know.

413
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: The tip line is eight four four to six seven

414
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: sixty six four eight repeat eight four four two six

415
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: seven sixty six four eight. Darryl question to you, do

416
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: you think just go with me on this, what's the

417
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: likelihood that these two the mommy and her convicted fellon

418
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: boyfrien friend were torturing the boy in his boot camp

419
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: disciplinary eight days and then somebody else came in and

420
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: abducted him. Do you really think statistically that's even possible?

421
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: No, Nancy, it's not. But on the other hand, what

422
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: are we talking about torture? Is it extreme discipline? Is

423
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: this really torture? Do you think his mom or his

424
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: quote mom's boyfriend would torture him? They were wrong in

425
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: what they did, but that's not torture, And could he

426
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: have wandered out on his own. Of course he could.

427
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 3: It happens. Unfortunately all the time, close your eyes, turn

428
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: your head, and your child is gone. That can happen. Now.

429
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: Why she didn't report it earlier? Who knows. Maybe she

430
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: was hoping they could find him, maybe thinking a self

431
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: search would make him available. But that doesn't make it tore.

432
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that she knew that the boyfriend

433
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: had been arrested so many times. And if you notice,

434
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: his last major arrests other than DUI was almost twenty

435
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 3: years ago. So I think you're making this worse than

436
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: it is for these two people. As the evidence unfolds,

437
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 3: will see but I can't prejudge them. I don't see

438
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: her as a good mother, but I don't here as.

439
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: A torture either, Darryl. I don't give a flying fig

440
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: about these two people. I don't care what happens to them.

441
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: You're right about that. I don't care.

442
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: I want to find this boy and it's their fault.

443
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: And how you with a straight face. I know you're

444
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: a defense attorney, but that said, with a straight face,

445
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: say it's not torture to force a child to stand

446
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: in the corner for hours and hours repeating Bible verses

447
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, mommy, you don't think that's torture because

448
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: I do jump in.

449
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: How do you know.

450
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: That's the truth. How do you know that what you

451
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: hear is a who really made him do that? Who

452
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: told you this? Where do we gather this evidence? Let's

453
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: not prejudge these people.

454
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: You know what. Let's ask the reporter, Aisha Morales, where's

455
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: the where's that knowledge coming from?

456
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Aisha.

457
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 7: It's hard because we have a whole timeline dating back

458
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 7: as far as November so Thanksgiving at the end of

459
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 7: the year twenty twenty three. That's when Bauer told her

460
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 7: boyfriend about here that far. And then you're talking about

461
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 7: the days that led up to Elijah's disappearance or what

462
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 7: we're told is this disappearance. What was reported February fourteenth

463
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 7: is when Bauer eventually told investigator she was in two rivers.

464
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 8: That's where Elijah went missing for a period of time.

465
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 7: And then the thing is that we haven't really mentioned

466
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 7: a whole lot is that she would go back and

467
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 7: forth between two rivers, checking in on Elijah, who is

468
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 7: getting this discipline according to this chrominal complaint from her boyfriend.

469
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 7: And then she go back to Wisconsin Dell's which Nancy

470
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 7: It's about three hours away, so she was not very.

471
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 8: Close to her son at the time.

472
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 7: There was the February fourteenth, February six Jey nineteen. Vang

473
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 7: says he was punishing Elijah by making him stand near

474
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 7: him while he watched a movie.

475
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Before Derrek Cohen. His last bust was in twenty twenty three.

476
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: That was last year. It wasn't that long ago.

477
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: And as far as DUI, but I don't care if

478
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: you sold cocaine yesterday or ten years ago. You're not

479
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: babysitting for my children. Bam, there there you go. And

480
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: as far as where are we getting the information.

481
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Right now, the mom and the.

482
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: Boyfriend are sitting behind bars on other charges related to

483
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: mistreating this child.

484
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: The mother, thirty one year old Katrina.

485
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Bauer, arrested two days after Elijah goes missing, charge with felony,

486
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: child neglect and obstructing police. Currently unemployed. Surprise, Jesse Vang,

487
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: the lover he's behind bars right now too, and he

488
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: is charged with mistreating the child as well. So what

489
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: do you mean where am I getting my information? I'm

490
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: getting my information from what the cops put and an

491
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: arrest warrant. So are you doing the whole oj Simpson defense.

492
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: The cops are lying, The cops planted the evidence. It's

493
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: a big conspiracy.

494
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: The cops made the arrest. The police made the arrest.

495
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean the information they made the arrest on

496
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: is accurate. Where did it come from?

497
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: Guys? We are trying to help.

498
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: Find Elijah view a three year old little boy. The

499
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: tip line is eight four four two six seven six

500
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: six four eight And speaking of what the pair Yes,

501
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: and there's a sixteen thousand dollars reward. As a matter

502
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: of fact, let's take a listen to Chief being Minor

503
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: describing that reward.

504
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Today, the FBI has now provided an additional reward up

505
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: to fifteen thousand dollars for information leading to the location,

506
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: in return of Elijah Boog and or the arresting conviction

507
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: of any individual or individuals responsible or involved with his disappearance.

508
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: A no good Wisconsin mother lease or a three year

509
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: old little boy, Elijah with a boyfriend with a rap sheet.

510
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: As long as the interstate to quote learn to be

511
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: a man with the boyfriend. This boyfriend is going to

512
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: teach to be a man. Well, guess what now that

513
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend is standing trial in the case of missing Elijah.

514
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: In the months his baby Elijah goes missing, police uncover

515
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: alleged mistreatment at the hands of both of these ghules.

516
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I find that really disingenuous. Thomas Fisher, former Milwaukee PD

517
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: now private eye to say they weren't torturing this child,

518
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: and where do you get the information?

519
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: And the police are probably lying out.

520
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: That the police are lying.

521
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 9: You know, you get this type of information through deacon

522
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 9: statements from the individuals involved, if you're talking to other

523
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 9: people that have knowledge of what's going on, or may

524
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 9: have some knowledge of what's going on.

525
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: To sit out here.

526
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 9: And see the police are lying and putting this in

527
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 9: a criminal complaint, you know that doesn't fly. The parents

528
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 9: are just said they're two terrible people, and what we

529
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 9: need to do is this criminal justice system take care

530
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 9: of them down the line.

531
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: But right now we need to find that child.

532
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Mike Catshill joining us

533
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: from Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Mike, I know

534
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: that there has been a as I issue described it

535
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: a landfill search that cooled off, But at this juncture,

536
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: don't you think starting at the apartment complex and going

537
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: out with canines would be helpful.

538
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 10: It was in the first couple of weeks after the investment,

539
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 10: after the child I'm missing, we wouldn't use the canines

540
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 10: at that point. However, the weather doesn't play well to canines.

541
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 10: When the temperature drops down below thirty two degrees and

542
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 10: into those lower temperatures, the dogs become ineffective because there's

543
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 10: just not enough odoor available for the dogs to work properly.

544
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: So you have to wait for the good weather date.

545
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that, well, frickidaver dog.

546
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 10: You have to have at least thirty eight degrees to

547
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 10: get the dogs work well.

548
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: Take your freezer at home.

549
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 10: You put the meat in the freezer of the meat freezers,

550
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 10: it doesn't smell anymore. Same problem with human remains in

551
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 10: the fields.

552
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: You've got to wait for it.

553
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 10: At least get up over thirty eight degrees for the

554
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 10: dogs to be able to work effectively. They may bump

555
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 10: into something. If you're doing a tight grid, you might

556
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 10: get lucky. But even in the water work, if the

557
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 10: water's too cold, it's going to be hard to get

558
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 10: odor up for the dogs to be effective. So that's

559
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 10: one thing they were using helicopters are using drones, if

560
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 10: they're using thermal camera cameras, which I'm assuming they were

561
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 10: thermal drones. The temperature between If the boys alive, you're

562
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 10: going to get a really good heat signature from that.

563
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 10: If the boys remains are out there, again we have

564
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 10: to look at the lapse rate when it was warm

565
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 10: versus when it was cold. Can we still find remains?

566
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 10: So if it's you know, it has a lot to

567
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 10: do with the weather. And unfortunately up there in Wisconsin

568
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 10: they're having a.

569
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: Wild winter this year.

570
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 10: It's sixty five degrees one day and twelve degrees the next,

571
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 10: so it's interesting to see how well they would be

572
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 10: able to find it. Landfill searches as you brought them up,

573
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 10: it may have cooled down on that Because landfill searches

574
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 10: are a nightmare and they take a lot of manpower

575
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 10: and a lot of time to do them effectively. You

576
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 10: basically have to take all the trash out from that day,

577
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 10: You have to spread it out in sections. You have

578
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 10: to have about twenty people to go through it all

579
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 10: and along with the cadaver dogs to try to look

580
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 10: and find what you're looking for. So it's a very

581
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 10: expensive and labor intensive thing, which is probably why I

582
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 10: cooled off, because they don't want to spend the money

583
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 10: right now to do it until they're really sure that

584
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 10: they have nothing else to look at.

585
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: The grandmother of three year old Elijah vu View has

586
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: spoken out emotional crying, begging to help find Elijah View.

587
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: This three year old boy was reported missing Fab twenty

588
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: by Jesse Vang, the boyfriend of Elijah's mother, who told

589
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: police she had sent her son, her three year old,

590
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: to stay with Vang so he could teach the three

591
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: year old boy quote how to be a man that

592
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: is in the criminal complaint filed at the county level.

593
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Than then tells police he was taking a nap and miraculously,

594
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: coincidentally oddly wakes up to find the baby is gone.

595
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: Now both Vang and View's mother, Katrina Bauer, have been

596
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: in lock up on charges of child neglect. The family

597
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: is begging. A child missing, says Chief Ben Minor for

598
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: any amount of time is every parent's worst nightmare. Hundreds

599
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: of resources have been used in the search. Drones, helicopters,

600
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: k nines all used across the entire county and beyond

601
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: Aisha Morales. When the Chief says county, and beyond where

602
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: else are they looking?

603
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 7: They have been going now in multiple counties. It's not

604
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 7: just where he went missing. It is now even as

605
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 7: far as the Milwaukee area, even into central Wisconsin, which

606
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 7: is about three hours away where Bauer herself was going

607
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 7: back and forth from. So she was from what it

608
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 7: seems according to this complaint, she was not there that day.

609
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 7: She was there the days before, but not that day

610
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 7: that he went missing. So because she was in Wisconsin

611
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 7: Dell three hours three hours away, and they have resources elsewhere,

612
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 7: they're just searching far beyond where he went missing in

613
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 7: that neighborhood.

614
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: I know this the county sheare of.

615
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: Van Hartwig closed his press conference in the final plate

616
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: to the public and was fighting back tears as a

617
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: thought of this missing three year old boy. There is

618
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: now a sixteen thousand dollar reward in the search for

619
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: three year old Elijah Vue.

620
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 13: To think with his child endured before he was killed,

621
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 13: I mean, do we really think he's still alive? We

622
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 13: wait as justice unfolds, the trials looming, I fully expect

623
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 13: additional charges.

624
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,