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Speaker 1: Former MLBGM Jim Duquette joining us right now for a

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Speaker 1: little sweet life talk. So Duke excited? Where's Trek scouogle gown?

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys?

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Speaker 3: Uh, you have more rumors there, Agent, I know how

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Speaker 3: you love him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know what. I I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you guys feel about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm so down on how Detroit has handled this situation

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Speaker 3: with Schooble.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They for me, even though I mean, if if they

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Speaker 3: were going to do this now, and I think they've

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Speaker 3: had their mind set on moving him, not just over

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Speaker 3: the last couple of days, but more than a week now.

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Speaker 2: They just were waiting for the.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity to do it, and they were worried about the

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Speaker 3: what the how it would look. Then they should have

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Speaker 3: traded him, you know, a while ago they should have

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Speaker 3: traded you know, when they had they won six games

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Speaker 3: in May, you know, think about moving him back then.

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Speaker 3: Right now, they're one of the teams that has actually

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Speaker 3: played well since June first, right they I mean outstanding

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Speaker 3: without notwithstanding the last five games where they've lost four

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Speaker 3: to the last five and in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: The sign is they're there.

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Speaker 3: They were trending up and now because they lose two

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Speaker 2: The Kansas City. Now they're going to decide to move them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's not been handled

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Speaker 3: You can go back even last winter, so right now

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Speaker 3: if you want to handicap it, you know, I put

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers aside for a minute, just because they're annoying

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Speaker 3: when it comes to getting the best players. They seem

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Speaker 3: to get them all the time. But you have to

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Speaker 3: look hard at Milwaukee, you have to look hard at Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: you have to look really really deep into Tampa. Those

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Speaker 3: are the three that keep coming up the most. I

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Speaker 3: still think in the end, the Dodgers will end up

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Speaker 3: getting them because they just sit there and they wait

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Speaker 3: and they negotiate better than anybody.

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Speaker 2: They wait and they wait and they wait.

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Speaker 3: And see what the final price is and they just

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Speaker 3: add that one last piece that gets them.

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Speaker 2: Over the top.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, I don't think it's great for

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Speaker 3: the sport, but I think the Dodgers will end up

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Speaker 3: getting well.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I hope that doesn't happen, just because I

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Speaker 5: think that if the Dodgers get them, they're going to

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Speaker 5: probably win three in a row and whereas if a

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Speaker 5: team like Milwaukee or Tampa gets some it changes that

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Speaker 5: team and their smaller market. And I think it would

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Speaker 5: be awesome for the game to have a one of

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Speaker 5: those teams just because of as a player.

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Speaker 2: I'm a CBA guy.

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Speaker 5: Jim, what was the biggest trade that you ever made

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Speaker 5: as a former GM.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: When I was with the Mets actually as the assistant,

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Speaker 3: when we traded for Piazza, that was like the huge,

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Speaker 3: the biggest, the biggest trade that we've ever you know,

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Speaker 3: made as an organization.

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Speaker 2: So I'll I'll kind of tag along with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean there were times there were there was I

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Speaker 3: think more times that I had trades that were, you know,

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Speaker 3: this close to being done and then the owner said no,

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Speaker 3: like trading for uh, if you remember Irving Santana or

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Speaker 3: Bartolo Cologne.

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Speaker 2: With the Angels, we had a chance to get either.

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Speaker 3: One of them, plus Eric Ibar, who was a short

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Speaker 3: they're starting shortsight. That was for to hot it back

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Speaker 3: back when I was with the Orioles, those would have

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Speaker 3: that would have been the biggest deal. Or we could

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Speaker 3: have had a chance to trade him to the Astros,

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Speaker 3: to Hi to the Astros, and we could have gotten

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Speaker 3: Roy Olswalt and Morgan Ensburg and one other. So I

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Speaker 3: mean there are more deals I think that get talked

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Speaker 3: get done then do get done at the deadline. That's

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Speaker 3: what makes it so frustrating. To your point earlier on

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Speaker 3: listening to these rumors, all these names, all these names

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Speaker 3: aren't going to go anywhere, all right.

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Speaker 5: The reason I ask is because you mentioned that the

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Speaker 5: Tigers have not handled Schooble very well. How would you

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Speaker 5: have handled it? And what do you say to Terry'scoobel

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Speaker 5: If you're Scott Harris and you're a J. Hinch and

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Speaker 5: you're the Tiger's front office, what's your what's your communication.

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Speaker 2: Level like with the star player at that level?

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel bad for Hinch because he's had to

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Speaker 3: answer these questions all year and more so over the

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Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. And he came on my show

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Speaker 3: the other day and he said, basically, I've tried to

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Speaker 3: insulate my entire team from all these rumors and let's

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Speaker 3: just have them focus on trying to win ball games

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Speaker 3: and try not to worry about the other stuff that's

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Speaker 3: going on around you. I think that's you know, if

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Speaker 3: you can have that approach, that's the best one.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if I.

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Speaker 3: Were in the Tiger shoes, first off, I would have

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Speaker 3: seriously consider trading him last year if you didn't think

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Speaker 3: you could sign them up.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be in this position.

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Speaker 3: I would have tried to, you know, make the team

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Speaker 3: and be you know, hopefully talking about, you know, trying

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Speaker 3: to win the division. But since they made this decision already,

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Speaker 3: for me, I look at what Baltimore did, whether you

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Speaker 3: agree or disagree what the Twins have done.

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Speaker 2: Agreeing or disagreeing.

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Speaker 3: They came out early in Houston, I'll throw the Astros

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Speaker 3: in there. They came out weeks ago and said we're buying,

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Speaker 3: we're buying. And I think when you're playing, you guys

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Speaker 3: tell me because you're the former player. But I know

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Speaker 3: when I would sit there and I'd go into the

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Speaker 2: It was a huge distraction. If we were selling. All

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Speaker 2: they wanted to know is where am I going, do

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Speaker 2: you have anything like?

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Speaker 3: That's all they asked about, and I got to believe

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Speaker 3: that's the same thing that's been going on in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: All they've been doing is wondering where's Scooball gonna go?

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Speaker 3: And that's just a major distraction. It takes you away

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Speaker 3: that's the other aspect that annoys me about the way

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Speaker 3: and I felt like the players have kind of been

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Speaker 3: it could have been squashed.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you could just change your mind.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday, and you know, the day before the deadline

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Speaker 3: said you know what, we weren't playing well enough, so

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Speaker 3: we trade them. But leaving that out there with all

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Speaker 3: this uncertainty, I think has caused more issues than than

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Speaker 3: it's solved.

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Speaker 4: Jimmy said it'd be unfair if the Dodgers got Scooball.

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Speaker 4: Do you know, like fans forget this isn't free agency,

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Speaker 4: like this is trade deadline. Trade deadline, every team has

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to get trek School, So why is that unfair?

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Speaker 4: If the Dodgers make the strongest push.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's only unfair if you like parody and you

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Speaker 2: That's all I don't want to, you know. Then the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers like do I do? We want to see here?

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Speaker 3: Here's what And you know this cratzy as well as

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Speaker 3: I do. If the Dodgers win a third World Series,

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Speaker 3: all we're gonna hear about in the next for the

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Speaker 3: collective bargaining agreement is we need a salary cap because

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Speaker 3: of the Dodgers. And I'm like, I'm sick of hearing

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Speaker 3: about that too and denigrating the sport.

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Speaker 2: The way we have over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, to me, yeah, Milwaukee does have a chance

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Speaker 3: to trade for them. They have a terrific farm system,

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Speaker 2: In just fine, along with.

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Speaker 3: Some other prospects, and they have enough prospects to do this.

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Speaker 3: They tend to show restraint, you know, So so do

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, who've shown, you know that they're interested in

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Speaker 3: I would love to see the Cubs from twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: say you know what, I don't care about prospects.

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Speaker 2: I want a.

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Speaker 3: Championship again and go do what it takes to get

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Speaker 3: the player. But there's a lot of general managers that

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Speaker 2: It is winning games.

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Speaker 3: And partly too, the postseason is a crap shoot, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's a gauntlet, especially if you're going

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Speaker 3: in through the wild card. But you know, I to me,

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Speaker 3: if you have the web, if you have the assets

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Speaker 3: Schooble on your team would do to help help get

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Speaker 3: you to win a World Series. Like That's why I

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Speaker 3: about it. They have they still have the best guy,

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Speaker 3: a team that's good enough if they could get in

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Speaker 3: they're gonna trade them. So you know, I would love

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Speaker 3: to see any of those teams, not name the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: But by the way, Jim, I love what you just

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Speaker 5: said about the players, because Bryce Harper came out and said,

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Speaker 5: we need to add every single he got quoted on this,

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Speaker 5: and every single player I promise you that has a

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Speaker 5: chance to make the postseason if you put a microphone

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Speaker 5: in their face and say what, do you think they'd

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Speaker 5: be like, yeah, I want better players. I want more players,

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Speaker 5: you know what. And if I'm if you're a guy

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Speaker 5: at Bryce Harper's level not getting traded there, of course

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Speaker 5: they're going to say. Now, if you're the guy that

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Speaker 5: a bad team, you might say, I don't know, but hey,

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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, if you're a superstar

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Speaker 5: not going anywhere, of course you want to add. That's

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Speaker 5: why I just I love what you just said. Yes,

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Speaker 5: because every player, if you're on a good team, was like, please, Jim,

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Speaker 5: GM whoever is, get us some better players.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I loved I didn't have a problem what

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Speaker 3: Bryce had to say, and I most people shouldn't, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody in the club out did. I

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Speaker 3: was a little surprised, you know, when Donnie manningly said

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Speaker 3: You know he's taking that side of it, obviously being

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you're if you're on.

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Speaker 3: The team right or you're watching the team as often

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Speaker 2: That's what they need.

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Speaker 3: The Phillies need, and we all know they need offensive piece,

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Speaker 3: Like those three things are obvious. Now, I will say that,

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Speaker 4: I know everyone says they just want the best return

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Speaker 2: In their situation.

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Speaker 3: I think what separates the teams to get Schooble versus

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Speaker 2: Are going to view it. Is all right, what what? So?

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Speaker 3: So we know what we're giving up here the final

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Speaker 5: You're great, Jim, whatever it takes, whatever it takes to

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Speaker 5: get Schooble to the Razor Brewers, I'm all for, like you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Dodgers are the Dodgers. They already have enough,

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Speaker 5: Can we not talk about Trek Scool for a little bit.

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Speaker 5: We're the Mets GM. What's it like when you trade

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Speaker 5: What does that do to an organization, a team a GM?

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up.

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Speaker 3: So Paralta, you know, unfortunately, has been a disaster, right,

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Speaker 3: even even you know, maybe a slight drop off would

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Speaker 2: A huge drop off. So if you're the if you're

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Speaker 3: Off, you're hopeful that there are teams that are interested

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Speaker 2: Now he hasn't. He's pitched so poorly.

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Speaker 2: Back to Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: So find me the team that's going to pay for

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Speaker 3: Because if the Brewers fix it, fix them when we couldn't,

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Speaker 4: There all right, Well, some good news out of Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: the Angels. Is there actually listening to trades and they

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Speaker 5: Is it hard?

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Speaker 4: And kind of go into what that major shift of

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Speaker 4: that's the reports that we're hearing out of LA that

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and part of that, you know, give mo credit

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Speaker 2: Does he trust you know.

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Speaker 3: That that you're getting the most for them what you

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Speaker 2: I wasn't that good at it, you know. I I

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Speaker 3: And the Orioles, how difficult it was to trade Miguel

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Speaker 3: really good, significant offers.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a shock or you know, shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Stun the owner when you're doing a deal that you've

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Speaker 2: You should be having that constant communication.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think if prior GM perryman Azi and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: A ton of trades from the Angels, but but you know,

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Speaker 5: All right, Jim, give me one trade that's not but

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Speaker 5: we haven't talked about that. You think is going to

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Speaker 5: We've talked about Freddy Peralta, We've we've talked about some

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Speaker 3: I well, we didn't talk about Clay Holmes, and you know,

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Speaker 2: But you know, you guys saw him too.

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Speaker 3: Like the first nine starts that he threw this year

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Speaker 3: He'll pitched Baralta. He I'll pitched McClain even though McLain's

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Speaker 3: I think need somebody like him too. He's not a

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Speaker 2: If if that's the case, or certainly you know, have

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Speaker 1: Do great stuff, appreciate it, keep bringing it and see

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Speaker 1: what happens over the next two days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna get active tomorrow, man, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or not all at midnight on like Saturday and Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I can I can go all day, you know, you

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Speaker 2: All right, for sure? Do you know what's going to

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: See you guys, it is Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Twelve million trades, at twelve o'clock