WEBVTT - Jim Janicek Meets World 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.440 So I unfortunately have a brand new addiction in my life. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.320 Oh no, wait, okay, how hold on? 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.800 I wanted let's see we name some of the addictions, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.440 because let's talk about Because you say that you have 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.479 a new one, I would say, walk it exercise. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.000 For you is an addiction. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:35.919 It is. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:37.559 Smoking used to be an addiction. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.720 That was a big one. That was I was also 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:40.760 just really good at it. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.800 Yeah, you're so good smoking. You could do it in 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.880 the shower, you could do it while running. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.280 How many packs a day did you smoke seriously at 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:48.879 the height, like. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:54.000 At my height, more than one? Between one and two? Yeah, yeah, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.200 I was having I mean. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.480 I was a cigar at every Oh my god, because 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.640 I'm doing a pack like twenty twenty. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.800 Yeah, so I would have. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.720 I would have, but I would have probably thirty to 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.440 thirty five cigarettes a day. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.320 I would say, Okay, that's so good. You're so good 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:06.560 at that. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.480 I was really good at it. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.840 Let's see other addictions. Asking people where they live is 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.080 I would consider maybe an addiction needing to know where 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.160 everyone's located. 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.680 It's not an addiction so much as just I mean, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.680 I could I could quit that anytime I want it. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:22.120 Danielle. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.120 Okay, sure, reading fantasy books. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.280 Oh, reading fantasy books is a good one. Yeah, reading 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.880 fantasy books is a good one. Showering, showering so healthy? 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.440 Like, I mean, when do you call like, when do 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.479 you call it an addiction? If it's like correct running 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.080 or right now right super healthy? And yeah that's okay. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.640 But I do think the definition of an addiction is 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.080 something that without it makes your life like not feel 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.600 as good or as harder. Like so even the running 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.680 is healthy for you, you can be addicted to the to 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.240 like I don't feel well if I don't exert that 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.160 much energy, like the adrenaline rush whatever it is, like 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.120 the endorphins. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.520 Uh, so you could technically be did to that. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.279 But I this one is certainly not healthy. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:04.720 Oh this new one? 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.000 What is it? 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.080 And I may need your help to break the cycle. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:15.120 I have become addicted to awful reddit stories being read 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.480 on YouTube by bad voiceover actors. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.919 Wait wait, wait, this is so specific. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.040 Yeah, there are I've got titles for. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.040 You too, Okay, like bad bad reddit stories meaning like 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.440 something kind of catastrophic happens somebody writes a post or 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:33.480 just a stream. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:38.679 In some way extreme lots of cheating okay, asshole thing? Yes, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.520 like those are a lot of So, for instance, here's 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.440 some titles for you. I heard my wife saying she 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.600 didn't want to hug me anymore, so I ignored her forever. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.679 Oh somehow, by the way, that is a twenty two 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:52.440 minute story. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:53.720 Honestly that I listened to. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.240 The entire thing wins in that one? She doesn't want 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.880 to be hugged? Who wins? Really exactly? 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.320 My parents urged me to forgive my brother for betraying 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.320 me with my ex wife, then demanded I financially support 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:08.320 them in his new family. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.400 I'm sorry, twenty four minutes of my life. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.320 That doesn't sound real. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.160 Oh, I'm sure none of these are. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.520 There's like the Penthouse forums where it's like, oh, really, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.520 everybody's having sex with four women a day at. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:25.400 Their work, Like all stewardesses are exactly exactly when does 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.000 the pilot of time to fly the plane? 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:27.919 Like this? 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:28.720 This is what's happening. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.160 So my fiance's pre wedding contract demanded forty percent of 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.040 my income, so I exposed her at the altar. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:36.160 Wow. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.480 Okay, so you you find these stories, but I'm assuming you. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.160 Well now they're just on my algorithm. Okay, so that's. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.880 YouTube channel where we're a voiceover. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.200 Actor meant but really in. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.200 Quotes right right, right, Okay, It's like it's just somebody 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.240 doing a dramatic reading correct if they are the poster. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.960 Correct without fixing their stumbles or the mispronunciation of words. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.240 And why do you for hearing it over reading it? 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.600 Because, like I put it, like, what I used to 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.440 do was educate myself and put on history podcasts and stuff. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.400 Now I put on these schlockfests of like. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.200 I got my teacher pregnant and now she wants answers 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.760 like stuff, and I'm like, oh, you got to listen 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:15.160 to that while I. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:15.840 Walk my dog. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.479 So your podcast listening has basically become a daytime talk. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.640 Show correct absolutely. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.480 Correct apps like you've just you've just gone to the 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.400 bottom of the barrel of like yeah, daytime TV. Yeah, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:29.840 you gotta get out. You got to pull yourself out 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.600 of this tail spend before you Before. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:37.599 You do, I have a request, Will you find a 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.440 bad Reddit story that like you like and then will 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.480 you read one for us as a bonus episode? 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.560 That was the question I was going to ask, is 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.320 since I I don't have children, which means I have 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:49.080 a ton of time. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.040 Yeah, yeah, I should just. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.080 My voiceover skills. Yes, that's what I'm to start my 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.440 own YouTube channel where I read them well. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.159 Because you really want to social media back in your life. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:01.960 Exactly, that's what I need more. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.000 It doesn't cause any anxiety, that's the beautiful part of it. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.520 You won't obsessing over whether people like the performance or not. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:10.080 No. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.360 Well, I mean my son got his teacher pregnant. Now 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.800 she's demanding marriage. But the DNA test results shock everyone. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.840 Oh man, I need to know that one. But read 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.239 by Ron mister super Phil Friedel. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:22.640 That's what I'm saying. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.400 Your step brother needs this money more than you, she 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.719 said with a smirk. Three months later, he came to 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.480 my office to pitch his startup, only to freeze when 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.000 he saw. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.520 Me sitting behind the desk. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.960 What I don't even understand that headline? 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.080 You you will? You will when I read it. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.760 Okay, okay, So hold on, I want to could you 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.800 do a little bit of a reading for us because 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.520 I want to know, like how you would do it? 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.640 Is the because because you like listening to the bad ones, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.880 So would you do it as a sort of bad 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.720 reader or would you commit to it. Shakespeare, you're doing 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.440 an audiobook of like the Greatest Thing Ever Wrecked? 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:58.560 That's what I would do? 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.240 You correct their stuffs or like would you pronounce the 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:03.640 words as if they're spelled? 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:04.480 What would you do? 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.040 I would probably do it the way that the author intended. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:09.920 Okay, but I mean I do. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.760 Listen to one guy who's the worst who also puts 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.160 on whenever a woman is speaking, goes like and that's 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.880 when my wife walked in and said. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.400 But honey, I'm only walking. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.159 Down and it's like, oh, it kills audiobook. Ability to 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.880 do the opposite gender voice is like a major thing, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.360 like if you overdo it, because like there are some 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.520 female readers who I love, and then they go to 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.720 do every man in the in the book and they're. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.320 Like, hey, we don't throw you don't just talk. Don't 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:37.520 like that. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.240 And then and then the vice versus exactly what you're 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.279 talking about, where it's like every female voice is like 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.880 all said, You're like, what what are you doing? Like people, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.120 we get it, you don't have the right, but. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.240 Just you can just soften or you know you can, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.400 you can do it just a hint. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:51.240 Yeah, that's so. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.840 By the way, though a lot I've been realizing from 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.640 just an educational standpoint, A lot of fiances cheat with 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:58.480 somebody's brother. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.880 This is this is a big thing apparently. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.440 People don't you know, you don't know that many people. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.720 It's like, you know, especially nowadays, it's like you have 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.000 a thousand friends online, but who do you actually like 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.280 see on a daily especially during COVID It's gonna be 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.440 family or slightly extended family. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.640 And then like, yeah, the writer's already justifying it. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.840 So you have a nanny that you sleep with. That's 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.520 not a thing. That's just part of life. One time 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.680 that okay, Shiloh, I don't you know. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:29.560 It's just fine. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.240 I don't blame the two of them. Now I pay 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.160 for them to live in there. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.160 Well, that's. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:36.480 It's not a big deal. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.280 It's it's part of the family. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.640 It's how you keep The other great thing about it 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.200 is they also win AI because AI obviously does a 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.680 lot of the voices, and so people always start with like, hi, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:51.160 I'm Doug twenty four male and my wife Sarah twenty four. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.960 But right, but the AI doesn't interpret. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.640 It so much like Penthouse forms because there's always. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.680 Been thirty three forty they do right. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.880 So it always goes like I'm Doug twenty seven meters 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.120 and my wife Carol thirty five feet she and I, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.120 and so it doesn't get the it is. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.400 Because it's reading text not knowing. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.880 Yes, all right, let's do it this way. Let's actually 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.320 produce one of these things. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.440 I watch music that will do anything, but you and 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:25.000 I can do it. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.160 But you and I could do extra voices if they. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.480 Read it will say girl, great woman, you just pick 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:32.360 a good story. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.000 Okay, oh well, so you pick up. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.840 You pick one, and then we will do it and 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.000 will be popular. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.480 The record saying we should start smoking too does not 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:42.720 help my addiction. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:44.600 Comes. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.679 How can we make money off of it? How can 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.040 we help you start a social media channel that gets 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:51.760 you income. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.080 That's what I want to do. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.520 I want to be the guy who everybody comes to like, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.800 can you please read my am I the asshole story? 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.680 And I get to sit in this booth all day 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.280 and just really love that. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.679 I think it's just the voice of all the like 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.360 the Civil War documentary and like. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.000 Oh that was that. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.400 The guy, the one guy who does. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:13.880 Ken Burn. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.000 I think it was David McCullough, who actually he's. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.200 A historian himself right, yes. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.520 And has that amazing voice. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.839 So I want to be that for kind of the 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.400 same as a Ken Burns documentary. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.320 For am I the asshole in love it? 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.079 I love it, Let's do it. I really am very 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.880 excited about this. It's like we become a rehab that 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:38.559 sells drugs. Yes, that's what writers about it. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:39.640 It's a brilliant thing. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.200 It's like the time I walked out of the weed 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.600 store to see the girl Scout table set up with 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.480 the cookies right in front of my weed store. It 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.320 was like, here's a thousand dollars. Yeah, like that's the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.480 most brilliant thing in the world. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:50.400 Brilliant Girl Scout. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.480 It is so I okay, great, well, thanks for help 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.480 with my addiction. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.640 Thanks for bringing us a great new idea. I'm really 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:57.400 excited about it. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.240 I'm excited to do so. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.800 We got to come up what should we call it, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:01.880 Let's Reddit. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.880 Pod meets Reddit's Good or something as to Reddit meets 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.200 world readit, narrate pod narrates. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.880 We'll work on these, we'll workshop these, we'll come up 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:12.160 with something. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.360 Am I the PMW. We'll figure something. We'll figure something out. Okay, Well, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:17.040 thanks for the help. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.360 Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for bringing this to us, Thanks 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.320 for giving us an addiction. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:21.760 Will you got it? 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.200 Let's go get a smokes. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.240 That's awesome. Welcome to Pod meets World. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.600 I'm Danielle Fischl, I'm rather strong, and I'm will Fredell 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:34.680 forty eight meters. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.800 There hasn't been a week that's passed for over thirty 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.400 years now that someone hasn't uttered the letters TGI F 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.480 at me. As much as the names Topanga, Eric and 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.800 Sean or the show title Boy Meets World have defined 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.000 our careers, so has that act. A programming block doubling 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.040 as a marketing campaign that aired on ABC starting in 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.199 the late eighties and straight through the nineties. Featuring mostly sitcoms, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.240 this group of shows was geared to family viewing programs 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.040 that could be enjoyed by both kids and parents alike. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.280 Originally debuting in nineteen eighty nine, ABC committed to funny 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:24.360 Friday Nights and evening universally considered comatose for ratings but 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.560 ripe for experimentation, and boy did it pay off. TGIF 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.360 would not only become the network tent pole, but it 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.480 would grow into a cultural juggernaut, changing the medium of 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:37.600 television and. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:38.960 Viewing habits forever. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.400 Over a ten year period, the block included hits like 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.199 Full House, Family Matters, Perfect Strangers, and Boy Meets World, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.360 with some more fly by Night tenants too, like Where 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.400 I Live, Sledgehammer, Aliens in the Family, and Clueless. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:54.680 But just as. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.200 Important as these TV shows was the marketing behind the concept. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.800 It included creative commercials, eye catching graphics, hundreds of bumpers 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.360 with tgi F talent in between episodes, and even a 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.160 disastrous U two concert in an attempt to cross promote 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:16.040 these shows. Yeah I was there for that way. Yeah 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.680 I was supposed to interview Bono, of course, Yes I was. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.480 Yeah, it was. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:23.680 To me. 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.320 They invited us a toy story too. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.000 I don't think you guys know. I may not have 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.040 been doing movies in the summer, but guess who. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.960 Got asked to host all the TGIF bumpers. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:36.360 That was me. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.040 These shows did all have humor in common, but it 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.280 was the visionary campaign that tied it all together. And 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.079 so how are ideas like this born? How did Friday 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.880 go from a virtual TV graveyard to one of the 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.800 most profitable nights in ABC history. Well, this week we 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.600 are speaking to the man who did it, the writer 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.440 and producer from the promotions department whose little idea of 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.400 TGIF became a phenomenon and started his prolific career of 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.200 molding TV strategy for decades. He was the man behind 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.040 the TGIF concept, the visuals, the celebrity segments, the on 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.520 location shoots. This was his vision and we couldn't be 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:18.839 more excited to talk to. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:19.680 Him about it today. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.280 So this week's guest on Podmeats World, welcome the man 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.680 we should actually be thanking for Friday. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.599 It's Jim janisek. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:30.160 Hi. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:31.960 How are you are you? 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.640 Oh my gosh, look how old you guys are? Young, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:35.240 old guy. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.000 We finally have an honest guest. This is a bad time. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.080 That's not true. I've seen I've heard many great things 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.520 about all your guests that you got. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.360 Well, we could not be more excited to talk to 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.160 you today. We have long hoped to speak to a 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.000 network executive from the late nineties, but never in our 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.920 wildest dreams did we ever think we'd get the chance 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.240 to chat with the architect of TGIF. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.800 Well, thank you. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.600 I want to first get into how did you start 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:09.240 at ABC? 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.720 Good question, It's six degrees of separation. Same kind of 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.760 thing I always tell people that ask that kind of question. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.600 Is when I got to LA. I had worked in 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.360 on air advertising and marketing in local television in Denver, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.000 That's where I was raised and had always wanted to 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.200 live in LA And immediately, as soon as I could, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.280 you know, packed up the car and got out here 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.720 and started making phone calls. And eventually, you know, I 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.760 got in front of a gentleman by the name of 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.880 Stu Brower who was running on at the time, who's 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.240 a great guy, and he gave me a chance, and 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.880 I came on board as one of I think there 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.680 were probably about twelve of us producers at ABC at 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.280 the time, and I was pretty young. I was I 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.200 think twenty three, twenty four. And it was a blast. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.400 And then, you know, went to work just like everybody else, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.600 you know, spending a lot of time on stage in 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:09.360 edit base. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.560 So you were one of twelve producers, were you guys 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.600 in a particular department. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.240 Or just we were? So we were in on air. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.120 So our job was to promote new shows and make 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.800 them look appetizing for the people. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.800 Okay, So and this is the this is the eighties. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.680 A lot of them were not as easy to promote 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.320 as Yours was good, Yours was lovely? 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.280 Was this the eighties? 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.680 This was yeah, So this would have been about eighty four, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.240 so eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:48.720 and TDIF came about around eighty eight eighty eighty seven. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.160 I was given the opportunity. So Friday Night used to 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.440 be what was considered the death slot. And I was 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.480 this guy, you know, young young producer. They and I 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.600 was promoting moonlighting and things like that, and it was 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:09.880 a summer and was given the opportunity to basically come 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.120 up with something that would help promote Friday Night and 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:16.600 make it appealing. And it was always a mish mash 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.600 of stuff. They would just kind of put shows there 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.880 that were on their last legs because the network always 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.080 believed that most people were out going on dates things 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.520 like that. That was kind of the attitude at the time. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:35.560 And with me, I was raised basically that we got 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.280 together on Fridays and Sundays and you know, as a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.840 family and often with our cousins, would have dinner and 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.880 then would you know, sit and watch TV. Specifically on 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.320 Sunday nights. We would always sit and watch mutual, Omaha's 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.840 Wild Kingdom, then Disney Sunday Movie, and it was a 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.880 whole experience that we did together. And so it was 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.520 summer of eighty seven or eighty eight, I think it 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.240 was somewhere in that area, and just so happened that 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.040 there were new bosses in charge, so we had I 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:12.199 guess people weren't really paying attention much to us, and 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.199 so in summer most of us producers were, you know, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.720 either vacation because again we were between seasons. We weren't 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:23.199 starting to push for fall yet. Okay, so it was 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.080 a thing where you know, these they gave me these 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.560 comedies and said, okay, so we have full house, mister Velvet, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.159 are perfect strangers and just the ten of us and 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.680 you know, go And so I basically took a bunch 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.440 of stuff and made up stories and just started doing 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.960 crazy things. And so these were cut promos, but we 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.560 would get some big names doing the voiceovers for us, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.840 and we I made up stories like you know, Bob Costello, Burbank, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.120 you know, started watching TGIF and suddenly shaved thirty two 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.000 strokes off as golf game. You know, funny things like that, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.320 And so we would and We just did this whole 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.280 campaign around these made up stories, using stock footage and 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.879 things like that to try to get attention, and it 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:14.639 started to work. We started to get a little bit 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.680 of attention. Is specifically, my bosses called me and said, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.320 I don't know what kind of drugs you're on, but 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.080 keep going, keep a yeah, as the market. Mark Zachern 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.480 who was my boss, and he was right under Bob 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.520 Iger and so it that's how it started. And then 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.280 Stu Brower and I started really looking at it as 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.080 Fall came along and said how do we extend that? 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.040 And being the young kind of ambitious producer I wanted 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.600 to be and you know, growing again, I was twenty 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.040 three and my entire goal in life was to be 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:53.760 on set as much as possible, So I proposed to them. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.119 I said, what if we went to the showrunners And 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.640 at the time it was millibo At you know, and 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.600 Tom Miller were the majority of the shows. And then 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.639 we went to them and said, hey, what if we 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.280 did these little hosted segments and that you know, they 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.520 agreed to try it and see if they could. You know, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.479 what it would be like, and we would come in 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.960 after the show, as you know, we'd show up as 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.879 you were wrapping and you were tired and ready to 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:28.000 go home, and you and you guys would graciously sit 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.800 with us and do something on the couch. And the 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.480 whole idea was, you know, everyone thought, oh, the couch, 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.160 that seems so weird, wanted to do, you know, and 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.119 our whole idea. The idea was to create an arc 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.639 across the whole night with the different shows, so that 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.840 no matter what show you were watching, you felt like 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.119 you were watching with the other shows, that when they 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.919 were done with their show, they were sitting down and 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.840 with you at home watching you know, watching the shows. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.320 And so yeah, it was just again it was trying 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.879 to recreate that thing that I did with my childhood. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.399 And it started to take and you know, one thing 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.879 led to another. We got a little bit in trouble 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.439 with the FCC because they didn't like the fact that 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.360 we were doing that. We were only allowed to do 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.399 two and a half minutes I believe it was somewhere 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:17.560 like two and a half minutes of promo before each 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:23.000 or in each programming block, and they classified this as promo. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.879 And so we were like, how do we get how 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.520 do we sneak around that? And we went back and 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.320 we said, okay, rather than being promotion, we had to 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.040 make this more entertaining. We had to crack a few jokes. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.119 We had to do that, and then they would qualify 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.640 this as more more part of the entertainment. 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.680 Sounds like original programming, right. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:48.719 So we went back exactly and we went back and 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.760 we said, okay, how about this, and they said, well, 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.159 you still can't use a pod and that's why we 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.640 that was a commercial pod at the time. So that's 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.800 when we went back to the shows and Miller Boyette 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.520 was the first to do it, and we said, will 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.040 you cut twenty to thirty seconds out of your credits 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.119 each each week and make this happen for us? And 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.960 they agreed and that was the start. And then you know, 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.960 it's a long story. I don't mean to go on 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:20.760 and on and okay, okay, So ultimately it built from there. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.760 We got it started to get a little rocky again 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.600 because it took a while for this to catch on. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.399 It took a good year before it really you know, 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.600 started to catch and. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.760 The we started to get away that you know that 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.400 it's catching on is because of the ratings. Like ultimately 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.480 you're looking at the numbers things show or how do 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.480 you it has like a cultural impact? 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.080 That's a great question. And the ratings and the I 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.280 would call it the inflection point happened about a year later. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.000 I don't know if you're familiar, but they would do 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.879 Q ratings, so they will hold up a picture, you know, 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.360 do you recognize Danielle? You know who is she? And 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:04.959 rather and I don't know if it was with you. 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.919 I don't recall who they were doing this test with, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.000 but they said something to the effect of people would go, oh, yeah, 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:17.560 that's the people from tgif right and research research department 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.359 went crazy and said, we need to cancel this because 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.040 they've lost the names of the shows. They don't know 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.240 the names of the shows. And this is where it 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.719 comes back to I oh, all credit to Bob Iger. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.080 He stood in the way and he was like, no, no, no, no, 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.320 we have a brand. He says, this is something that 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.840 we're sticking with. And that's when they started really dumping 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.560 money into it and saying, Okay, now we're going to 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.280 push and we created you know, original animation and locked 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.359 in on the name and and so that's kind of 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:46.879 the just of how it all came to be. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:47.520 Yeah. 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.800 I mean that's so smard because if you're Bob Iger 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.040 and you're going, oh, you mean, all the power. 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:57.000 Isn't with these individual shows. The power is in something. 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.960 Editor show we want in there, and people will still go, oh, 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.360 it's the new part of tgis so very. 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:10.760 Very yes, you are exactly right. And it was a 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.359 neat thing too. For sales. They used to go to 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:17.040 ad sales caught onto this and basically said, okay, now 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.200 we can do tent poling, which is a strategy that's 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.800 done where they'll take two strong shows like here's Boy 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.080 Meets World and here's Full House, and we'll put something 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.240 in between it, or we'll put something just after it 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.280 and lead it in and test our new pilots. And 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:35.680 in advertising, rather than saying you just bought you know, hey, 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.520 Kellogg's just bought Boy Meets World, Kellogg's wasn't offered Boy 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.600 Meets World. They were offered TGIF and so the price 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.560 was the same across the whole arc. So wasn't the 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.320 case where you got you know, so they were basically 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.480 leveraging getting a lot more in the revenues to happen. 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.119 So and to your point, then if people are staying in. 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.679 But if people are staying to watch the whole block 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:05.320 partially because there's BTS stuff they're watching the casts do 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.480 in between the shows, they're also seeing all those commercials 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:08.959 in between. 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.080 Absolutely, yeah, you are right on target. It's it really 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.679 became kind of just a neat little FuMO event we 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.879 would call it. So it was, you know, fear missing 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.680 app and it was one of those things that the 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.439 kids would drive mostly. That's why we'd use you know, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.159 we'd often use the younger cast members to do the 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:31.520 promotions and it worked. It seemed to just catch on 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.520 and keep going. So it went on for I think 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:34.119 ten years. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.040 So now, what was what was the first I mean, 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.439 I know the entire night took off, but what was 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.600 the first hit show from TJF. 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:43.720 Was it Perfect Strangers? 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.240 If you ask me, yes, So full House took a 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.280 little longer, and Full House didn't always want to be 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.160 on Friday night. They were really pushing for Tuesday night 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.919 and it, you know, I don't know necessarily why, but 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:02.200 ultimately Full House became kind of that early anchor because 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.080 it's skewed to the youngest. Personally, I loved Perfect Strangers 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:11.000 because they were geniuses and just unbelievable. We deliver scripts 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.320 to them and they'd be like, oh, that's nice, and 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.480 then they come back with these incredible limericks and rhymes 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.119 and fun things, and I just I was like, they 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.879 were so much fun. You guys too, were so you 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.320 guys were always the best to work with. Was never 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.800 a no or anything. And I remember, Danielle, when you 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.480 and I went to you two, I want. 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.080 To get into that story. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:32.720 We just. 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:38.560 Always been a fan of you too. Personally. 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:39.000 I don't know. 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.560 I don't know me too. I don't know Sandy Christmas 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:43.320 was behind that or. 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:44.800 Who was Sandy. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.880 Sandy Christmas remember that, Jesus sweetheart. 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.119 Yeah, she's Miss Sandys. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:55.600 When ABC just recently, within the last five years or so, 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.200 did a little bring back of t G I f U, 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:01.879 they asked me to do a commercial. 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:06.600 They brought me back to do a commercial and Sandy 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:07.800 and Christmas was there. 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.400 Yeah, Andy, just a couple of weeks ago. She's a sweetheart. 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.640 She's retired now, but just the love of the life. 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.400 She was kind of the mama bear of the department 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.000 who kept us all straight. We were all young, egotistical, 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:24.800 you know, producers, and she'd be the one coming and going. 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.840 You're not doing that, even though she was kind of 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.479 assisting us. She was just the greatest of people. So 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.359 loved her and she loved connecting people. She was great 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.080 with folks. So I remember her and I doing a 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.840 special where we we had one day to shoot a 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.200 special with Delta Burke and Mark Curry and we had 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.919 the back lot of Warner Brothers to our avail and 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.080 she and I loaded up a golf cart with cameras 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.240 and just were running like crazy all over the place 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:54.960 get things done. And you know, Sandy is the type 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.600 that would walk up to anybody, Hey, you you come 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:01.560 over here, you know, can I talk to you? So 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.320 it was great. It was lots of fun. 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.360 Where did the name TGIF come from? And I want 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.760 to know if there were other options that you remember 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.560 being pitched around. So it is not thank God it's Friday. 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:31.160 It is thank goodness, it's funny. That's what TGIF stands for. 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.320 Thank Goodness, It's funny. So where did that come from? 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.520 And what were some other options you guys had? 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:42.440 So we were talking about things like the Friday Fun Club. 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.359 There's a whole list somewhere I probably could dig up, 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:49.160 but I remember that one. You know, It's Friday Night, 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:55.680 lots of little shortism, and I don't recall exactly where 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.879 it came from. We had that was on our list. 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.359 We were concerned about the restaurants at the time coming 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:05.560 at us, you know, and so we weren't really sure, 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.560 but I do remember I was standing at five to 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.600 five posts or something. We did our first animation, which 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:15.080 kind of was kind of more childlike, with a little 0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:19.760 mouse called Friday the Mouse, which was it was. We 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.639 were animating that with a guy by the name of 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.359 Bob Kurtz who runs a company. I don't know if 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.840 he's still around, but Bob Kurtz and friends did the 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:34.320 original commercials for Shell and for It's the Green Dinosaur. 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.960 It was a green animated green dinosaur for a gas 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:47.200 and oil company, and the line was, remember some dinosaur 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.480 gave his or her all for that tank of gas 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.600 and I and he and he'd always this little animated 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.440 dinosaur and I love that dinosaur as a kid. So 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.760 I was like, I need to find this guy. So 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.680 that's we had hired, and I was with him. We 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:04.320 were animating the open and then Stu Brower and Bob 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.680 Iger called and said, we've landed on TG if we 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.280 want to call TJF. So that's where we got the name, 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.200 and we started animating those letters into the open and 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.760 went from there. But we were literally standing by in 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.160 a post house about to execute on that because time 0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.840 was taken. So that's where the name came from. It 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.440 was and and Bob, I believe, came up with, Thank goodness, 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:32.400 it's funny to avoid any conflict, Yeah, with any any restaurants. 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.520 And wait, so, just to get my television history right, 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.200 Just the Ten of Us was a spin off of 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.760 Perfect Strangers. 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.720 I don't know that's a spun. 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:46.720 From something because the coach was it was it was 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.520 a character on another Yes he was, he was. I 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.960 can't remember which one it was. That then spun off 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:53.880 into Just the Ten of Us. 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.960 But yeah, yeah, Rachel, Yeah. 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.120 And Just the Ten of Us was Mister Belvedere was 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.080 was waning, and Just the Ten of Us was also 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.680 kind of on its last season just when we were 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:09.240 were coming in, and then it went to Perfect Strangers. 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.240 Full House. You folks came in ninety three, I think 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.960 it was something like that, right, yeah, which was great. 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.560 You're you were you hit right at the Prime and 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.040 where we were rocking and rolling and you were the 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.360 perfect show for it. It just, you know, it just 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.600 nailed it because you had all the family values, the 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.680 kids that you know, the high school. You were right 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.960 on target. So it was a no brainer to have 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:33.280 Boime's World there. 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.560 And so I have a question about the network in general. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.600 Did you have a sense of the network having a 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:45.440 personality or a sort of like ideal viewer, like because ABC, 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.480 I mean our corner of ABC was very much family, 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.680 but was there did you guys have like meetings where 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.479 you were like who is our ideal consumer? Who's who's watching? 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.840 And like what is AB? How is ABC different than 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.560 NBC or Fox? Did you guys know what that was 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:01.760 and what that meant? 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.400 Yeah, it's sort of it's a you know people. Again, 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.360 when we were part of Cap Cities, which I think 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.640 we had become Disney right around I'm not sure when 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.880 Disney came in, but I think early. 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.080 On ninety six, wasn't. 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.000 It, Yeah somewhere, but we were part of caps Cities initially, 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:23.120 so and Cap cityse Murphy and Burke were really genuine 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:27.160 people and would allow us to come to Century City 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.400 and be parts of these meetings. The entire network was 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.080 only eight hundred people, so that was it. We were, 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.640 you know, the whole and most of them were in 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.080 the field, so like you know, the fourth floor in 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.840 Century City was where the power was. And you know, 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.280 there were program execs as you know, you've been there. 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.160 You guys were, I'm sure in those offices at the time, 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:52.000 and that you know, that was really it. And then 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.920 there were the producers in the field like myself and 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.400 on air, and the people running operations over in prospect 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:04.760 a lot and it so it was very much a family. 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.200 We all knew each other pretty well and you know, 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.040 would run across each other in the hallways. There was 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:15.360 always the question of who, you know, we were because 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:20.960 at that time they were kind of thematically broadcasting depending 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.320 on what night of the week you were at. So 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.400 you know, there was dramas on certain nights. You know, 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:31.200 Moonlighting was more adult. Okay, so that was Tuesday night 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.600 and that was where they put you know, Tuesday night 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.800 comedies and things that had a little more adult theme 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.400 to them. You know, they were I think Jack and 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.320 Mike things like that were over there. It was more 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:48.040 of a mystery you know movie or mystery show. It 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.240 was interesting because it's a funny story. I got in 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.880 trouble once when I got invited to one of those 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.960 programming things, which was it wasn't I wouldn't call it 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.600 big trouble, but like it. You know, we're around the 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.120 table of about thirty of the top exacts there and 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.640 one the gentleman John Scias, who was like a huge 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.560 he was way up at the top of uh of 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.200 the power chain, was talking and said, you know that 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.440 we were talking about NBC because that was the big threat. 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.600 You know, NBC was NBC was the hip place, so 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.840 talk about that fomo you know, ABC of course was 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.920 I won't you know, I want this and I want 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.200 to be cool exactly enough of this family, that was 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:37.200 exactly it. There was always that, and we even knew 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.320 the people, you know, Tom you know uh Miller John 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.760 Miller over was running NBC's uh uh marketing department. We 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.840 all were friends and knew and Vince Mansie and all 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.720 those folks. But everyone wanted to be everyone else, and 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.160 CBS was always the Tiffany network, and it was always 0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.280 the you know, the older people, and so it was 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.360 that battle for that eighteen to thirty five that everybody 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:07.840 thought they wanted it, and you know, we weren't looked 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.600 down upon it all for TJF because it became such 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.680 a powerhouse. It kind of became a hands off thing, 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:17.560 which was great. But I was like, you, Danielle, I 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.920 was kind of like, this is the American Broadcasting Company, 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.160 and it should be you know, it should be family, family, family. 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.520 We could really nail this. And I made the comment 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.400 in this meeting, I was like, aren't we the American 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.759 broadcast You know, they were talking about pasting broadcasting and 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.160 you know, all the different dimensions of it, and I said, 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.319 shouldn't we That cable wasn't really barely there, you know, 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.799 there was MTV and stuff like that. But I made 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.120 the comment, I said, so, why aren't we considering maybe 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.440 narrow casting a little bit toward a very specific audience 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.200 like a lot of these so called cable networks are 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.759 starting to do. And John Syas looked at me and 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.520 he goes, young man, because this is the American Broadcasting Company, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.000 not the narrow casting fucking. 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:04.280 Go stand in the corner. 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:04.880 I don't. 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:07.200 Away. 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.440 I don't think. I don't I don't think I got 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:10.920 invited back to that meeting. 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:15.040 Oh but it was because this was also I mean, 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.439 this was the time if if eighteen thirty five, eighteen 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:18.040 to thirty. 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.440 Five is what everybody was was clamoring for, but also 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.160 ninety three ninety four the Fox network comes out of 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:28.279 nowhere and you've got children on this Simpsons and they're 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.120 going for that kind of It's like they were really 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:35.200 shooting towards that demographic. So everybody, it really made everybody 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.800 kind of have to hone their identity because it's like, okay, 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.600 now we're young and hips, so you're going to push 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:41.920 NBC more to the middle. 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.879 So then where do you go from there? 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:44.120 Wow? 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:44.600 What a street. 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:48.480 It's a really good question because what for cable networks, 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.400 being specific was exactly the way to go, Like you 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.920 had to be the channel just for one type of 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.680 audience because if you could build that fan base, you 0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.319 could continue. But yeah, for network MTV simple, it's still 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:03.440 a huge I mean now streamers are asking themselves this 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.239 all the time, right because it's like, are you a 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.400 Netflix where you just try and be the channel for 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.720 everybody or everything? 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:11.040 Yeah? 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.560 Yeah, so interesting, it's such a big question. 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.160 Yeah, it's it is a fascinating thing, and you know, 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:18.960 to this day is still a battle people have of 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.239 trying to find their audience. And I'm kind of a 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.600 big believer that you can't please everybody all the time, 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.160 and you know, you have to kind of focus on 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.280 what you can do. And I'm also a big believer 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.560 in stuff I do now that family is that one 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.920 place that still has a lot of opportunity. You know, 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:36.799 I don't want to sit on the couch, even though 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.759 my daughter is now twenty three, I don't want to 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.920 sit on the couch if I had younger ones, yeah, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.880 and watch something and have them start to crack super 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.319 sexual jokes or something like that. I just I don't 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.879 want to be uncomfortable with that. I want something that's 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.279 easy to watch and comfortable and fun. And you know 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.640 that's it. So it's uh, I mean, it's interesting. 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.160 Was truly the first, because even Must See TV came after. 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:07.240 Like it's like you you invented the idea of labeling 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.680 you're a night night or a block as something to 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:16.359 promote itself for a network. So it's it's like, it's 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.799 so it's so genius how ABC. I mean, maybe they have, 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.560 but I feel like ABC owes you forever and ever. 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:28.640 And ever, that's very very kind. And I don't know 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.400 if I was, if I was before Musty TV, but 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.359 I I know. I mean, obviously, Vince and John you know, 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.920 did a fantastic job promoting that, and that was the 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:43.080 Thursday night block that was unpenetrable and they they were 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:48.080 great and so we it's it was fun. I thank 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.960 you for the nice comments. And ABC did very were 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.200 They treated me very well. I stayed with ABC and 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.080 Disney for through two thousands doing all kinds of things. 0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.879 So when I had babies, they called me and said, 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.200 we want you to do Big Einstein and I was like, 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:02.640 that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.320 Can we talk a little bit about I think we 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.640 pushed it off long enough? How did you not get 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:07.759 invited to this you two thing? 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:08.919 And what the hell do you know? 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:09.920 Yeah? 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.120 And how is Danielle friends with Bono? And we didn't 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:13.080 know this the entire time? 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:14.319 What what happened with this? 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.040 The story of the U two shoot? 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.759 The U two shoot? So it uh, you know, obviously 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.239 we get called and we're like, so, you know, you 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:28.040 two's launching their new pop album in Vegas and Student's 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.480 like you want to go? And you know, maybe we'll 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.360 pull in one of the talent. Let's see if we 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.640 can do that. And I apologized I was not behind 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.680 the decision of who got to go, don't. I don't 0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:50.280 know I would if so we we I don't remember 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.520 how I think, I know, you know, Danielle, your your 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.120 your mom or your agents responded right away and said 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:03.279 she loves him, like okay, So we we go out 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:08.080 there and we're getting ready and it's it's it was 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:11.439 a semi live thing. We were racing the clock and 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.239 uh it was So that was a kind of a 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.959 first for us. We were used to filming something about 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.680 a week in advance and being able to take it 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:20.839 to post and turn it around. And so we had 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:25.920 editors standing by and a satellite window sitting open, and so, 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.120 you know, we basically were ready and you know, we're 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.839 in the tent getting ready. I don't remember the All 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.759 I remember is there were you know, a bunch of 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.920 stars around us, and we were getting food or something 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.680 and getting ready and we were going to go into 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.880 the tent with Bono and Edge and you know, have 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.200 them do these little bits like you guys do, and 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:50.920 they were all in on it. And then at the 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:55.439 last minute. They because they were premiering I think their 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:59.440 their record and stuff. They tell us they're like, we're 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.440 not going to we don't have time, we don't want 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.320 to do this, and so we're like, ah, yeah, so 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.840 you did, I did. I did. She got to go 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.600 in the tent and meet them and and you know, 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.960 so that was great where I'm so glad you did 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.040 that because that would have sucked store to speak, I apologize, 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:21.120 but but anyway, then she came out and by then 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.439 we kind of formulated, Okay, here's what we're going to do. 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.160 So you and I and our photographer ran to the 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:31.960 back of the stands and basically I told Danielle, Okay, 0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.920 now now pretend you're hosting that just it's about to 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.239 happen and go live blah blah. And so we I 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.399 don't remember what the script was, but we wrote something 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.520 pretty quick and you pulled it off. You did a 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.440 great job. And we turned the camera around and it 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.160 made it look like she was reporting live from the 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:49.960 concert venue. 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.680 Do you picture like if you picture like the Hollywood 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.640 Bowl and being like, okay, we're not ready to interview 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.000 people who were going on. 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:58.040 Stage at the Hollywood Bowl. 0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.920 And then I'm going, never mind, we don't want to 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.279 We're about ready to do this. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:03.880 We're canceling it at the last second. 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:05.440 And then Jim and I looking at each other and 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:07.399 him going all right, let me put something together. Run 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.480 to the top of the Hollywood Bowl stairs with the 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:11.560 Hollywood the Bowl behind you, and. 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.080 You're gonna say like, we're here, but you too. He 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.480 was about ready the pop and blue and we did. 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.319 I said, somebody, it was like take it away at 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:20.120 the start of the show. 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.879 That was exactly. It was the greatest save and got 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.040 lots of lots of kudos. I hope you've heard them too. 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:32.040 The network was very happy. They were not disappointed at all. 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.760 So no, they weren't disappointed. They were really happy. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.920 It was only Rider and I were disappointed. 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:38.239 It's funny because it was a. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.920 Good Yeah, you guys could have been you got I 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.600 am again. I'm never to live that one down, I guess. 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.080 So we didn't even know about it until ten minutes ago. 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.400 Yeah, until I'm shaking Bono's hand. I'm not I'm not excited. 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.040 Listen, guys. It was the Q rating. 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:58.160 It was the that's when she walked in it, when 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.480 she walked in. You know, Bono went You're the girl 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:01.160 from TG. 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:05.480 So funny. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.080 It was a very fun concert. It was It was 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.640 super cool because we had good seats too. They were 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.719 right there pretty much, if I recall, they were up 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:14.320 there in front. 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.080 So was there a big shift when Disney bought the network? 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.400 Did it change the did it change your job? Did 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.399 it change your day to day experience? What did that mean? 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:29.120 There were you know, there were always shifting chairs Disney. 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.640 You know, there was a lot of fear when Disney 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.400 came in that there was gonna be big, big shifts 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.719 in that front. But really, for the most part, they 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.560 didn't mess with us too much. Obviously programming, and part 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:45.839 of it is because Bob continued to lead, and so 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.600 it was, you know, it was Bob's network basically at 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:54.120 the time, and he held that pretty pretty close to heart, 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.960 and the people around him, Stut Bloomberg, all those folks, 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.439 you know, were the next in line to continue that on. 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:04.560 So didn't get a lot of that. I noticed, at 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.160 least a lot. I mean, there were a few new 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.400 bosses and programm execs that came in, but to me, 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:14.120 Disney was all about family. So I was kind of like, okay, 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:19.560 we do yeah, yeah, and so and it did. It 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.839 worked very well. We were able. The coolest thing that 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.160 I think happened when Disney came in was the idea 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.719 of synergy. There wasn't a lot we while we as 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.640 a night were all about synergy and talking about other 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.680 shows and helping promote one another, the network as a whole, 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.560 and other shows that were not necessarily about that or 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.759 hadn't really learned to do that. And when when the 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.680 Disney came in, then all of a sudden, we have 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.400 theme parks, we have cruise lines, we have you know, 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.400 these other movies that they're doing that we can suddenly 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.600 you know, latch onto and do co promotions with and 0:43:54.880 --> 0:44:00.000 had a lot more money to work with. Yeah exactly, Yeah. 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:01.520 Yeah. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.799 Were you also helping to decide what shows were on 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:06.840 T G I F Were you? 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.799 Were you actually picking the content that went on the night. 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.280 We didn't get that much that was in the programming 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.759 department's decision. We were involved in meetings like that, so 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.960 they you know, we got to hear and and you know, 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.800 hear the meetings and go through some of the pitches 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.800 and stuff like that. So but I would they listen 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.880 to exactly what we thought. No, I wouldn't necessarily. 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:32.560 Does that mean that you would have to be promoting 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:36.960 something and knowing it was probably not going to catch on? 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.400 That that would often happen, right Like you would be 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.960 saddled with a show and they'd be pitching you and 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.319 You're like, how do I promote this? This is a 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.160 stinker that must have happened, right. 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:50.080 Oh, just a few times. 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.040 Were you ever surprised? Were you ever like this is 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.440 probably not okay? Could could you? Because that will be 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.600 Can you name a successful where you were like, I 0:44:58.600 --> 0:44:59.080 don't get that. 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:01.960 I will get in trouble if I say it, but 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.480 I will say it because I'm nearly retired anyway, and 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.080 I probably deserve this. So in one of those big 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:13.120 round table meetings, and I've admitted this to to you know, 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.680 Bob Boyette and Tom Miller before, and I've even to 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:23.319 the cast so full house, I was one of the 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.640 guys in the meeting. We were in the meeting programming meeting, 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.920 and they were talking about the queues and all this stuff. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.640 And again I was young and just learning my roots, 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.319 and I was and t g if was barely even there. 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.120 I don't think that had even been recognized that much yet. 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.080 But I just was like, I didn't get it. I 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.439 was just like I because I had been on set 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.960 and I watched them feed the little you know, feed 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.799 Ashley and Mary Kate Lynes and love them. I mean 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.919 I worked with them a ton afterwards, and they were, 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.880 you know, they're nothing but sweet. The whole cast was wonderful, 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.239 and I just didn't get it. And I was just like, 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.799 I don't I don't think they can act. I don't 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.439 think they can do the you know. It just wasn't 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.440 feel it didn't feel right. And this was their season 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.759 one and it did take them two seasons to catch on. 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:13.759 But that's my big oops, I would say. 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.040 And that's also in television allowed a show to grow 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.120 though it's like, Okay, the show is not going really well, Well, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:22.959 we're still going to give. 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:23.520 It a season or two. 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.879 That just doesn't absolutely get an episode now when you're 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:26.719 out well, but. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.759 That's what TGIF could afford. I mean, that's part of it. 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.080 Like the risk mitigation for the network is also artistically 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.759 for the creators. Risk mitigation like that allows them the 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:38.800 chance to like to grail around for a couple episodes, 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.160 get their act together and figure out how to you know, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.480 how to make it. Yeah, it's really everybody wins. It 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.200 seems like in that situation. 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.279 That was the idea was the whole was greater than 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.799 the sum of the parts. That was our line, as 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.480 we would if we worked together, we would all do it. 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.560 And that became part of the contract if you joined 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.160 t G. If you weren't allowed to say I can't, 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.839 I'm not doing that, you know you basically you had 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.239 to be part of the family, so to speak, and 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:06.319 do things with us. 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.799 Well. I also want to talk about you mentioned it 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.640 with the U two one where it could have been 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.440 a disaster a shoot, but we saved it. It wasn't 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.600 a disaster a shoot in the end. But I do 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:20.600 want to know do you have any stories of true disaster. 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.200 I want to know who refused to do the TJ 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.400 But I would love to hear a story of somebody. 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.360 You don't have to say, I want to hear what this. 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:38.399 Yeah, Dinosaurs was very difficult to work with. Kid they were, 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.960 but that was you know, that show was very difficult 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:45.080 to do. I mean poor people, those poor people would 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:46.840 be throwing up in the suits because they were so 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.279 hot and they were just doing things they were and 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:52.840 the sets were you know, these immense things. So so no, 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:54.960 we didn't have anything. I would say, you know, some 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.520 of the craziest, funniest things would happen when you know, 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.360 like shooting with the Muppets. The Muppets would you know, 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.440 call us out and you know off camera those guys 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.959 can be hilarious. Start calling you out. Yeah, I start 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.360 calling you out on things you have gonzo bitch and etches, 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:15.600 stuff like that, you know. So I'm trying to think 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:20.120 of other things. We didn't really have big disasters, you know, nothing. 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.239 Camp Wilder could sometimes get a little crazy. J Moore 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.000 is a nut, you know, I don't know, you know 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.760 Jay and so, and we had him for a season 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:32.080 work working with us and he was kind of like 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:37.200 herding cats and you know he was but good guy. 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:41.960 You know he did he meant nothing but good. But definitely, uh, I. 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:43.520 Would say, difficult talent. 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:49.600 Besides Danielle, I got those guys. Let's see, I don't 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.120 really think we did. I mean, we had some that 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:56.040 didn't want to do things, but that's about it. I 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.920 mean I think about it now and I'm like, God, 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.000 you know, Patrick Duffy and Suzanne and Summers were always 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.359 in for things. They would always be willing. You guys 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.960 were always willing. You know Karen Miller, who you probably also. 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:09.840 I don't know if you know Karen. I think Sandy 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.080 would integrate with you. But Karen was on the side 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.120 of Miller Boyett, and she was kind of what I 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:20.359 would She was the Sandy or the the the peacekeeper, 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.000 you know, whenever she would feel about what's going on 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:24.920 in the shows. Because we knew you had some shows 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.080 that were difficult, and so we would try to stay 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.319 away from you when you were in you know, a 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.000 heavy production that you had something going that you couldn't 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.680 So we would always navigate that through you know, Sandy 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:41.640 or through Karen Miller to get you know, to get 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.840 the right cast. So often when people would turn us down, 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.600 it was because it was a crazy week or something 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.440 was way off, or someone might be sick or you 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:51.200 know that kind of thing. 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.160 Now, who would decide who would go with whom? 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.680 Because we had Jalil White on and we figured out 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.280 as we were sitting here, like T Boy Meets World 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:05.080 and Family Matters never did promos together, and he said, 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.000 it's because that they were owned by Warner Brothers and 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.680 we were owned by Disney, so they were never allowed 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:12.440 We were never really allowed to connect. 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.520 Is that something you remember or was that done by design? 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.240 No, it wasn't done by design. We would have probably 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.560 loved to mix cast like that. And part of it 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.279 was because of how things were getting paid, so you know, 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:31.120 the network wasn't the network was reimbursing studio for cost 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.920 and Warner Brothers was obviously the one studio and so 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.759 you know, for the hour two hours ot that we 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:42.080 might pull, that was more the issue than anything as 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.480 how do they mix. Now, when we did preview specials 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.680 and things like that, we would try to mix a 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.960 little bit and you know, get them. But and I 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.120 completely forgotten how that you can bring up family matters. 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.040 I mean they were great. We had some you know, 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.399 there were some conflicts on that show a little bit, 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:02.400 but they would always get through them and and do things, 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:06.000 so it wasn't it wasn't horrible. 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.239 I remember doing the tg IF spots was my first 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.960 experience with a teleprompter. Oh, I remember, like it was 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.960 really yeah, well yeah, because I was twelve or thirteen 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.520 years old. I remember like them rolling in the thing 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:17.160 and putting. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.480 In I was like, oh my god, so weird. It 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.680 makes life much easier. Does so weird? 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:25.440 Though I hated it, I remember hate it. I was like, no, 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:26.719 I just want to learn the lines. I don't want 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.080 to have to look at it. It's so weird. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.680 I love you guys, did good. I never you never 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:31.120 knew it. 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.839 Yeah, you know you were made to be a good host. 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:38.560 This is why you got a good telegraphs. 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.920 Well it is. I do remember. I do remember. 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:44.600 I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.040 do remember back in the day when I got because 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:48.719 I got asked to do a lot of them. I 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.160 did a lot of interstitials, a lot of little things 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:55.640 for for tg IF, and I remember them saying, you're 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.200 really good at it, and you're super fast. We could 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.200 get in and out, we could shoot a bu bunch 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.960 of different interstitials all in one time. And I was 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.239 because I was quick at reading off the teleprompter. I 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.120 was a you could throw me into any situation. 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:07.719 And I was. 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.240 Always also talk fast. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:10.120 I talked fast. 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:14.520 I have a bunch of I had tons of energy. 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:16.839 Energy, it's all there. 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.000 I don't think we ever had to had to say hey, 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:23.160 can you kinda We never had to say energy, can 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:24.919 you can of just make it like you're having fun? 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.480 Well, we did not. 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.920 It was interesting to hear you talk about reimbursing the production. 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.400 We did not get paid for those. 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:36.200 Those were part of. 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:40.239 That was just it was considered promo, even though you 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.520 guys went to the FCC. 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:44.400 Additional stuff. 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.160 But let me tell you something, We did not know that. 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.800 But let me tell you something. When I started getting 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:57.520 asked to do more and more of these interstitials, and 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.719 I got to a point where I just said I 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:00.520 don't want to. 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:01.920 It was always on a weekend. 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.680 It was like it was an extra day out of 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:06.400 my schedule where they would want me to go and 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.200 do something. You guys, we did a thing where we 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.239 went to Danielle's hometown, We went to your Belinda, we 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:13.000 did I was doing a lot of them, and I 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.399 just started saying, no, like, these are a lot of them, 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.399 and so my mom's this is the. 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.719 One I couldn't talk about being in trouble, you. 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.640 Know, the one you forgot, the one the one I 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:24.279 forgot that I. 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.120 Couldn't bring up of them. 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:28.840 Went to Judy and said, I don't know what to 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.560 do because they want daniel to do these and I 0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.360 feel bad because it is it's a day out of 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.440 Danielle's schedule. She's it's usually or we would do it 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:36.920 on a hiatus week when I'd be back at my 0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:38.799 regular school and I would just want to be at 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:39.560 my regular school. 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.200 I was like, I'm on hiatus, I want to go back. 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.879 And so they said, what if we paid her? What 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:50.640 if we paid her a very what Eventually I did? 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:55.200 They said on YouTube, we were also not getting. 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.920 If you were on set, you didn't get I did not. 0:53:59.040 --> 0:53:59.600 That's colt. 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.719 If I was on set, I did not. If I 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.520 was off set, I did, and my mom. So then 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:05.200 my mom came to me and said, okay, they're going 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.640 to pay you. And I you know, I never saw 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.360 any of my money. My money all went into an account, 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:12.000 and so I was like, so what does this mean 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:12.319 to me? 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.080 Not even just who can account? 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:14.640 My parents? 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:18.000 Like my mom was like, all right, whatever the interstitial 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:19.120 money is, I'll let you have it. 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:19.960 It can be Madli. 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:24.560 And she would give me like say I'd get paid 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.560 seven seven hundred and fifty bucks or something for the 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:30.600 day of whatever it was. She just give me seven 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.359 hundred and fifty bucks and I'd go to coffee Bean 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:34.080 and I'd get. 0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:35.759 To go in all yeah, and I was like, this 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:38.600 is amazing. This is more money than teenage Danielle had 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:39.160 ever seen. 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:41.640 And so it was awesome. 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:42.120 It did. 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.719 It ended up making it for me my coffee be fun. 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:49.640 Yeah, great story, that's great story. That is that is awesome. Yeah, 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.319 and I don't you know, I know they tried the 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.880 best always to make sure no offense. Guys. I mean, 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:57.120 I'm sure if you'd come off set and done something, 0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:58.480 it would have gotten you would have gotten paid. 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:00.120 Oh yeah, it's okay. 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:03.200 I also made fifty percent less than every other cast 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.120 member on the show. Actually, yeah, so the fact that 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.080 I got paid a little seven hundred and fifty or 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.799 fifteen hundred dollars here and there is Yeah, it was. 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.840 It was just a little thing. So you mentioned preview specials. 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.719 We are actually about ready to do a recap soon. 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:22.040 But did you do the Boy Meets World Saturday Morning cartoons. 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:22.920 Preview or yeah? 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.960 Yeah, so we did. Yeah, those were us the we 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:30.279 all that kind of fun post work. And I know 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.839 you were paid on those. Yeah, yeah, but you had 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.120 to be because that came through my company actually, but yeah, 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:42.719 we were. When TJF became a hit, Jenny Treis, who 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.880 was president at the time of Children's called and wanted 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.960 us to do a lot of interaction and try to 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.239 pull a cast because the Gauge group was just a 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:54.879 little younger at Saturday Morning than it was what we 0:55:54.880 --> 0:56:01.720 were getting on Fridays. So we were we asked to 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:03.719 get involved with all those and come up with things, 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:06.399 ways to promote new Saturday Morning things, stuff like that. 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:21.359 So yeah, so wait, can I ask a question then, 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:25.359 and maybe you know this, Why did TGIF end? 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:28.840 Was it just ratings? I mean, why did it go away? 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.919 Good question? And you know, for me, I had done 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:37.200 some things where I again it had gotten a pretty 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.160 you know, I don't know. They again new powers come 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:44.440 in and they want a fresh look and I remember 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:48.279 that they and no offense to them because you know, 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.640 they got new marketing execs in that took over when 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:55.799 Mark Zachran left. I think Bob Iger had moved on 0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.719 to his new powers, and they hire an agency, Chaia Day, 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.240 which was the hip agency. Again, this was the fomo 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:09.360 things at the time, and shayat Day got really deeply 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.160 involved in things and changed everything to Yellow and Black, 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:15.360 and it was kind of an interesting turn of events. 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:22.280 Promotions on your Couch, Your Friends, the couch your Friend, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:23.280 it's good for you, you know. 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.840 Couch potatoes, the world, all that stuff. 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.800 Yeah, exactly exactly. And so they were edgy and different 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:32.280 and all that stuff. But they came in and made 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.880 a lot of dramatic changes on the programming side too, 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.720 and suggestions there. And I don't know if it helped 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:39.960 or hurt at all. I mean, it's kind of hard 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.120 to how to track. But part of the deal was, 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:44.840 you know, I think they had gone, oh, we're kind 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:47.200 of tired of this, and you know, maybe we should 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.880 try something different. And I think we were twelve years 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:54.360 in and I was getting offers to do some other 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:58.400 things too, and I was just like, you know, I again, 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.640 it wasn't while I loved every bit of it, we 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:06.000 weren't making huge money on it either, yeah, and so 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:07.960 we were kind of like, Okay, maybe we should start 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.400 moving a little more into programming. And so they turned 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.760 it over to some other folks in house at ABC, 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:15.640 and I think they kind of died there because they 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.640 just did not because they didn't do a good job. 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.160 But it just wasn't you know, it wasn't the same. 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you started there at twenty three. 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.280 How old were you when you eventually left ABC. 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.280 I left ABC pretty early on and started my own company. 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:36.360 So that's an interesting story too. So I when TGIF 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:40.880 was starting to hit big, I happened to my mom 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.320 had gotten very sick with Parkinson's and so my mom 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.040 and dad were back in Colorado, and I was kind 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.680 of like, and at the time, I was dating a 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.680 young lady who also was from Colorado who was not loving. 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.920 She worked for Columbia Pictures, for the president of Columbia Pictures, 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:58.440 and was not having fun. 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:01.840 So glad you said that the way you said it 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:03.400 was like I was dating a young woman who was 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:03.880 not loving. 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:07.160 I was like, oh God, she wasn't loving her job, 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:11.280 she wasn't loving, wasn't loving her job, and and so 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:13.880 and we all were kind of you know, going to 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:19.880 la Is is tough, and so with the sickness of 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:21.960 my mom, I kind of started to push and go, 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.200 I really should be back there with them, And I 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.280 went to Bob Iger, I went to Mark Zachron and 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:30.880 Stub Brower, my boss, and said, I you know, I 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:32.880 think I'm going to have to leave because of this 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:33.520 is going on. 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:39.240 And they marched me into Bob Iger's office and I 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:44.160 was like, oh crap, I'm going to get it. And basically, 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.560 you know, we talked about a couple of different things, 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:50.200 and this is how great those people are. Bob looked 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.280 at me and said, rather than do that, why don't 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.320 you start your own company and we will, you know, 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:58.880 put you under a contract. And that's what they did. 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:02.320 And it went on for for almost twenty years. So 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:06.240 it's they were They were great, and so you know, 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:09.000 I owe a lot to them for being you know, 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:11.400 respectful and kind on that part. So I did go 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:15.200 back to Colorado and flew out almost every week or 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:17.600 you know, the shoots and stuff like that, and then 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:19.840 did my edit and worked back in Colorado because there 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.880 were a number of sizeable posthouses there and could do that. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:28.840 So it ultimately all worked out. And then and now 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.680 I'm back in La with my wife, a different, different 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:38.720 girl that lay He's awesome and she she we moved 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:40.560 to Sant Clementy and so we have a place in 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:43.400 Colorado and in San Clementy and we just live in 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:44.000 a good life. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.880 So I love that. Good for you. 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:51.880 Yeah, cable reactions when you tell them that you created 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.960 the tgif block do, people must like lose their minds 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:55.360 about that. 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:59.880 I don't tell them, you don't, I don't sit. 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:01.040 I've got to brag more. 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:03.720 I don't brag. I don't. I don't tell them unless 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:06.520 they ask or look me up. And so I'm not 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:10.480 a I'm kind of shy about that and not. You know, 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:12.880 it was a product of a lot of people. It 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:18.320 took a lot of collaboration, including you guys to make 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:21.000 it all happen, people to agree, you know, to pull 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.000 some strings and be willing to give some of their 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:27.000 time to make it go. So it was a wonderful 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.360 what would I call it, a wonderful circum you know, 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:36.800 or unique come together of events that just turned into 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.720 something incredible. And I was very blessed to be part 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.640 of it. So it was neat. I kind of wish 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.320 I had leveraged it a little more down the road, 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:50.040 but I you know, I didn't. I just kept going 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:53.080 with what came my way and you know, promoted. I 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:54.800 didn't use it enough to get meetings. 1:01:54.840 --> 1:02:01.520 Probably would like to meet with you, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:05.480 I never used that and I I so I never 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:07.440 you know, but I did get to go work for 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:10.800 NBC some and Vince and Tom and you know, do 1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:14.040 different things for a number of people. Helped launch Hallmark 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:16.160 and all kinds of fun. 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:18.960 And that was all Jenask Media. That's your media company, right. 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:23.959 Janask Entertainment and Jens Entertainment or Janasach Media. Yeah. But yeah, 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:26.600 I got to work with a lot of great folks. 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:29.000 I mean, we you know, one thing would lead to another. 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.720 When I was back in Colorado, I met the founder 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:34.520 of Stars who has become a good friend in his family, 1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:38.080 and we helped launch Stars, and then that led to Hallmark, 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.600 you know, and Hallmark was launching and I met Margaret 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.920 Lesh and Lenn Marino and helped do that and just 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:48.160 one thing goes to another, you know, the Baby Einstein stuff. 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:50.400 It's like, you just kind of that was weird how 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:52.320 that one happened. It's just they had heard that I 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:55.960 had twins, and my twins were like, you're like eighteen 1:02:55.960 --> 1:03:01.360 months old. They had Jenny Trias had had me introduced 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.520 to the people who were doing DVDs at the time 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:08.440 at ABC, and ABC was competing, you know, to get 1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:11.320 DVDs out there that was the big market at the time, 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:15.720 and they asked me to come in and try to 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:19.000 develop something to knock off this brand that was was 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:21.200 being a pain in their butt on the shelves. They 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:24.040 couldn't compete with the shelf space. And they showed it 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:26.560 to me and it was Baby Einstein and they were like, 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.080 this is really doing well and we need to figure 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:31.160 out why. And so I looked at it, and this 1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:33.840 was before I had kids, and I was like, oh 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:37.720 my god, what is that? And I couldn't understand it, 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:41.160 couldn't get it. And then a year and a half 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:43.880 went by they didn't do anything with what we had proposed, 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:48.080 and I got a call from the head of Home 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.400 Entertainment and she said, hey, I want you to I 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:55.520 heard you had twins and you know, having dark circles 1:03:55.560 --> 1:04:00.440 under my eye and yeah, I heard you had twins, 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.520 and hey, congratulations. And by the way, that brand that 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:05.320 we were talking to you about, we just bought it 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.560 and would you come in and look at that and 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:10.520 see what did it? And so I met with the 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:15.160 original creators, who were genius in their effort. And you know, 1:04:15.840 --> 1:04:21.080 Julie Clark and her husband had generally had basically taken 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:25.640 it from their heart and their envisioned you know, ideas 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.400 and created this thing that became crack for babies. And 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:31.720 you know, then they and they showed me how to 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:35.160 you know what it was about. There's there's a lot 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:38.440 in timing and there's probably more brain damage in one 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:40.800 of those shows than what you would ever think of 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:44.720 going into other things because of timing and heartbeat tracking 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:47.680 and all this other stuff that we would do. And 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.080 but and then so my job was to take it 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:54.800 to the next level, add bigger puppet shows do things 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:56.640 which I love puppets because I was working with the 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:59.160 muppets and all those things, so you know, I'll fit. 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.640 So I worked. It was fun. Wow. 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:05.080 Well, Jim, you are going to see in the comments 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.440 when we post this on social media, but there are 1:05:07.480 --> 1:05:09.600 going to be a lot of people who are going 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:12.240 to thank you for your work and for your ideas. 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:16.800 It was really great and gracious of you to come 1:05:16.800 --> 1:05:18.400 and spend a little bit of time with us talking 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:18.840 about this. 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:23.240 You know, working with you doing those promos. It's such 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:24.800 like when we've. 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:27.400 Talked since starting the podcast about the things we remember 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:32.080 the most, it's actually not the stuff that's the shooting 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:34.479 of the show necessarily, it's all it's us, us. 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:38.640 In the school room and also us doing the promos. 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:44.400 I have so many memories of TGIF promos and of 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:53.320 us saying you know from they were. They were fun, 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:55.720 even if it was we're going to cram this in. 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:57.400 We know your go, go go, you gotta get in. 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:04.920 Thanksgiving, you guys. 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:07.920 Did fantastic and you always nailed it in one or 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:11.320 two takes. It was you were always just amazing and 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:13.479 so and it's so cool to see you guys. I 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:18.720 just and I love that you remember me. I they 1:06:18.760 --> 1:06:20.720 probably don't, you guys. 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:23.400 The minute I saw your picture, it was like the name. 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:25.280 I was like, yeah, I know that name. And then 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:27.360 the minute I saw your picture, I was like, oh 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:28.160 my gosh. 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:32.640 Of course I remember him, remember him and Danielle. Just 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.320 quickly I saw you're directing something coming up right? Are 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:38.000 you something right now doing? Remind me what it was. 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:42.280 I just saw a year fifteen years for ABC. 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:46.200 Yeah, yeah, awesome for you, that's awesome. 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:50.120 It was a really wonderful experience. You know, hoping they 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:52.560 had ten in their first season. I'm really hoping we 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:54.800 get words soon that they'll be getting a season two 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:57.000 and hopefully a full order, and when that happens, I'm 1:06:57.000 --> 1:06:57.800 hoping I'll be back. 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:02.960 That's awesome. It's Tim Allen show, right, Yeah, yeah, I 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:05.840 worked with him once. Filming with Tim Allen was always fun. 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:08.400 He was he was crazy, so we had it. We 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:10.600 did a promo with him getting abducted but by a 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:16.479 UFO and then brought back because they didn't want itsious. 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:20.200 That's great, So that's funny. 1:07:20.680 --> 1:07:24.959 Well, I'll tell Jonathan it was so nice talking with you. 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:26.760 Thank you for being here with absolutely. 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.640 I hope we'll see you in person some days. Yeah, 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:32.640 and I love watching your careers blossom. Yeah. I mean, 1:07:32.640 --> 1:07:34.080 you guys have done amazing things. 1:07:34.080 --> 1:07:36.680 And lets me do you too, concert going. 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:39.960 Up there? 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:42.760 Yeah yeah, let's go. 1:07:42.720 --> 1:07:46.120 To the sphere they were Yeah right, that's cool. I 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:47.040 haven't done that yet. 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:48.480 Okay, thank you. 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:55.640 Too. By he was there, I mean he was there 1:07:55.680 --> 1:07:58.400 for like, first of all, hearing that all of ABC 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.080 is like eight hundred people, because you thought it was 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:05.120 thousands on thousands of this army of people that so 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:07.440 to realize it was actually kind of small and spread 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:10.320 out throughout the country and there's meetings with just twenty people. 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:11.120 That's crazy. 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:15.920 Help help Bob Iger, saying to him, don't quit, Yeah, 1:08:16.120 --> 1:08:18.559 start a company, company and let us hire you. 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:23.639 Yeah, you think there's has been as successful as see. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:25.599 Yes, let's get him on the show. I think I 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:26.800 bet you Bob will come on the show. 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:26.960 Man. 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:28.599 I would love to have Bob on the show. 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:31.080 Can you imagine? Oh, Man, that'd be great. 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:35.519 But also, like Jim Janisek gave so and he should, 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:37.360 he gave so much credit to Bob, and he to 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:42.800 all of ABC, but like cam ABC for ten years 1:08:43.160 --> 1:08:47.160 because of that twenty three year old kid they hired, Yeah, 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:50.120 owned a night of television. 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:52.000 Yeah for a decade. 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:54.240 Yeah, it was. It was there, Musty TV. It was 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:57.600 there Thursday that Friday was. I remember moving out to 1:08:57.600 --> 1:08:59.360 to when I moved out to La with Spencer, who 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:01.120 worked at Fox the time, and Fox was just up 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:03.080 and coming. He said to me they had a meeting 1:09:03.120 --> 1:09:05.080 where they said, oh, we don't even worry about planning 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:07.400 Friday nights. ABC owns Friday Night just like you just 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:09.360 never get it, he said, we did. We're not even 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.599 gonna bother and so I just yeah, it was a juggernaut. 1:09:11.640 --> 1:09:12.080 It was amazing. 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:16.280 I mean we're talking billions of dollars in revenue yep 1:09:16.280 --> 1:09:21.160 for ABC because because that twenty three year old kid. 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:22.880 Was like, you know what my family used to do. 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:25.280 We used to sit around and watch TV as a family. 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:31.880 Yeah, I'm I'm pitching to ABC doing a TGIF night. 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:34.639 We do one Friday night where all the casts get 1:09:34.680 --> 1:09:37.679 back together and do like a scene from one. 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:40.599 Of their shows now at the age we are now, and. 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:42.720 We just do a brand new boy meets World scene, 1:09:42.760 --> 1:09:44.439 a brand new full house scene, a brand new family 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:46.840 matter scene. You get the perfect strangers. 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:48.080 Guys back together. It'd be a whole night. It'd be 1:09:48.120 --> 1:09:49.040 just one a ton of fun. 1:09:49.120 --> 1:09:51.200 What kind of weird issues does that involve? 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:51.439 Though? 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:52.960 Like with who knows? Of the shows? 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:53.960 Yeah, who knows? 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:56.880 Can you get the rights to like play the characters 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:57.800 in a different meme? 1:09:58.040 --> 1:09:58.400 I don't know. 1:09:58.520 --> 1:10:00.599 I mean ABC has done this thing now where they're 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:01.400 doing live. 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:04.599 Episodes of like all the old shows with brand new 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.240 casts like All in the Family and all this kind 1:10:06.240 --> 1:10:08.679 of stuff, So they're thinking outside the box. 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:09.639 Maybe who knows? 1:10:09.640 --> 1:10:10.200 Pretty great? 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:12.720 Well, thank you all for listening to this episode of 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:14.559 Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:17.120 Instagram Pod Meets World Show. 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