Speaker 1: So I unfortunately have a brand new addiction in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh no, wait, okay, how hold on?
Speaker 3: I wanted let's see we name some of the addictions,
Speaker 3: because let's talk about Because you say that you have
Speaker 3: a new one, I would say, walk it exercise.
Speaker 2: For you is an addiction.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: Smoking used to be an addiction.
Speaker 4: That was a big one. That was I was also
Speaker 4: just really good at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so good smoking. You could do it in
Speaker 2: the shower, you could do it while running.
Speaker 5: How many packs a day did you smoke seriously at
Speaker 5: the height, like.
Speaker 1: At my height, more than one? Between one and two? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was having I mean.
Speaker 5: I was a cigar at every Oh my god, because
Speaker 5: I'm doing a pack like twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would have.
Speaker 1: I would have, but I would have probably thirty to
Speaker 1: thirty five cigarettes a day.
Speaker 2: I would say, Okay, that's so good. You're so good
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 4: I was really good at it.
Speaker 3: Let's see other addictions. Asking people where they live is
Speaker 3: I would consider maybe an addiction needing to know where
Speaker 3: everyone's located.
Speaker 1: It's not an addiction so much as just I mean,
Speaker 1: I could I could quit that anytime I want it.
Speaker 4: Danielle.
Speaker 5: Okay, sure, reading fantasy books.
Speaker 4: Oh, reading fantasy books is a good one. Yeah, reading
Speaker 4: fantasy books is a good one. Showering, showering so healthy?
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, when do you call like, when do
Speaker 5: you call it an addiction? If it's like correct running
Speaker 5: or right now right super healthy? And yeah that's okay.
Speaker 3: But I do think the definition of an addiction is
Speaker 3: something that without it makes your life like not feel
Speaker 3: as good or as harder. Like so even the running
Speaker 3: is healthy for you, you can be addicted to the to
Speaker 3: like I don't feel well if I don't exert that
Speaker 3: much energy, like the adrenaline rush whatever it is, like
Speaker 3: the endorphins.
Speaker 2: Uh, so you could technically be did to that.
Speaker 4: But I this one is certainly not healthy.
Speaker 5: Oh this new one?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: And I may need your help to break the cycle.
Speaker 1: I have become addicted to awful reddit stories being read
Speaker 1: on YouTube by bad voiceover actors.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, this is so specific.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are I've got titles for.
Speaker 3: You too, Okay, like bad bad reddit stories meaning like
Speaker 3: something kind of catastrophic happens somebody writes a post or
Speaker 3: just a stream.
Speaker 6: In some way extreme lots of cheating okay, asshole thing? Yes,
Speaker 6: like those are a lot of So, for instance, here's
Speaker 6: some titles for you. I heard my wife saying she
Speaker 6: didn't want to hug me anymore, so I ignored her forever.
Speaker 1: Oh somehow, by the way, that is a twenty two
Speaker 1: minute story.
Speaker 4: Honestly that I listened to.
Speaker 2: The entire thing wins in that one? She doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be hugged? Who wins? Really exactly?
Speaker 1: My parents urged me to forgive my brother for betraying
Speaker 1: me with my ex wife, then demanded I financially support
Speaker 1: them in his new family.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, twenty four minutes of my life.
Speaker 5: That doesn't sound real.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure none of these are.
Speaker 1: There's like the Penthouse forums where it's like, oh, really,
Speaker 1: everybody's having sex with four women a day at.
Speaker 5: Their work, Like all stewardesses are exactly exactly when does
Speaker 5: the pilot of time to fly the plane?
Speaker 2: Like this?
Speaker 4: This is what's happening.
Speaker 1: So my fiance's pre wedding contract demanded forty percent of
Speaker 1: my income, so I exposed her at the altar.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you you find these stories, but I'm assuming you.
Speaker 4: Well now they're just on my algorithm. Okay, so that's.
Speaker 2: YouTube channel where we're a voiceover.
Speaker 4: Actor meant but really in.
Speaker 5: Quotes right right, right, Okay, It's like it's just somebody
Speaker 5: doing a dramatic reading correct if they are the poster.
Speaker 1: Correct without fixing their stumbles or the mispronunciation of words.
Speaker 5: And why do you for hearing it over reading it?
Speaker 1: Because, like I put it, like, what I used to
Speaker 1: do was educate myself and put on history podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 4: Now I put on these schlockfests of like.
Speaker 1: I got my teacher pregnant and now she wants answers
Speaker 1: like stuff, and I'm like, oh, you got to listen
Speaker 1: to that while I.
Speaker 4: Walk my dog.
Speaker 5: So your podcast listening has basically become a daytime talk.
Speaker 2: Show correct absolutely.
Speaker 5: Correct apps like you've just you've just gone to the
Speaker 5: bottom of the barrel of like yeah, daytime TV. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you gotta get out. You got to pull yourself out
Speaker 5: of this tail spend before you Before.
Speaker 3: You do, I have a request, Will you find a
Speaker 3: bad Reddit story that like you like and then will
Speaker 3: you read one for us as a bonus episode?
Speaker 1: That was the question I was going to ask, is
Speaker 1: since I I don't have children, which means I have
Speaker 1: a ton of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I should just.
Speaker 1: My voiceover skills. Yes, that's what I'm to start my
Speaker 1: own YouTube channel where I read them well.
Speaker 5: Because you really want to social media back in your life.
Speaker 2: Exactly, that's what I need more.
Speaker 1: It doesn't cause any anxiety, that's the beautiful part of it.
Speaker 5: You won't obsessing over whether people like the performance or not.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean my son got his teacher pregnant. Now
Speaker 1: she's demanding marriage. But the DNA test results shock everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I need to know that one. But read
Speaker 2: by Ron mister super Phil Friedel.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Your step brother needs this money more than you, she
Speaker 1: said with a smirk. Three months later, he came to
Speaker 1: my office to pitch his startup, only to freeze when
Speaker 1: he saw.
Speaker 4: Me sitting behind the desk.
Speaker 2: What I don't even understand that headline?
Speaker 4: You you will? You will when I read it.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So hold on, I want to could you
Speaker 5: do a little bit of a reading for us because
Speaker 5: I want to know, like how you would do it?
Speaker 5: Is the because because you like listening to the bad ones,
Speaker 5: So would you do it as a sort of bad
Speaker 5: reader or would you commit to it. Shakespeare, you're doing
Speaker 5: an audiobook of like the Greatest Thing Ever Wrecked?
Speaker 4: That's what I would do?
Speaker 3: You correct their stuffs or like would you pronounce the
Speaker 3: words as if they're spelled?
Speaker 2: What would you do?
Speaker 4: I would probably do it the way that the author intended.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean I do.
Speaker 1: Listen to one guy who's the worst who also puts
Speaker 1: on whenever a woman is speaking, goes like and that's
Speaker 1: when my wife walked in and said.
Speaker 2: But honey, I'm only walking.
Speaker 5: Down and it's like, oh, it kills audiobook. Ability to
Speaker 5: do the opposite gender voice is like a major thing,
Speaker 5: like if you overdo it, because like there are some
Speaker 5: female readers who I love, and then they go to
Speaker 5: do every man in the in the book and they're.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, we don't throw you don't just talk. Don't
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 5: And then and then the vice versus exactly what you're
Speaker 5: talking about, where it's like every female voice is like
Speaker 5: all said, You're like, what what are you doing? Like people,
Speaker 5: we get it, you don't have the right, but.
Speaker 4: Just you can just soften or you know you can,
Speaker 4: you can do it just a hint.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1: By the way, though a lot I've been realizing from
Speaker 1: just an educational standpoint, A lot of fiances cheat with
Speaker 1: somebody's brother.
Speaker 2: This is this is a big thing apparently.
Speaker 5: People don't you know, you don't know that many people.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, especially nowadays, it's like you have
Speaker 5: a thousand friends online, but who do you actually like
Speaker 5: see on a daily especially during COVID It's gonna be
Speaker 5: family or slightly extended family.
Speaker 1: And then like, yeah, the writer's already justifying it.
Speaker 2: So you have a nanny that you sleep with. That's
Speaker 2: not a thing. That's just part of life. One time
Speaker 2: that okay, Shiloh, I don't you know.
Speaker 4: It's just fine.
Speaker 5: I don't blame the two of them. Now I pay
Speaker 5: for them to live in there.
Speaker 3: Well, that's.
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal.
Speaker 5: It's it's part of the family.
Speaker 1: It's how you keep The other great thing about it
Speaker 1: is they also win AI because AI obviously does a
Speaker 1: lot of the voices, and so people always start with like, hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Doug twenty four male and my wife Sarah twenty four.
Speaker 4: But right, but the AI doesn't interpret.
Speaker 5: It so much like Penthouse forms because there's always.
Speaker 2: Been thirty three forty they do right.
Speaker 1: So it always goes like I'm Doug twenty seven meters
Speaker 1: and my wife Carol thirty five feet she and I,
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't get the it is.
Speaker 2: Because it's reading text not knowing.
Speaker 5: Yes, all right, let's do it this way. Let's actually
Speaker 5: produce one of these things.
Speaker 6: I watch music that will do anything, but you and
Speaker 6: I can do it.
Speaker 5: But you and I could do extra voices if they.
Speaker 2: Read it will say girl, great woman, you just pick
Speaker 2: a good story.
Speaker 7: Okay, oh well, so you pick up.
Speaker 5: You pick one, and then we will do it and
Speaker 5: will be popular.
Speaker 1: The record saying we should start smoking too does not
Speaker 1: help my addiction.
Speaker 2: Comes.
Speaker 5: How can we make money off of it? How can
Speaker 5: we help you start a social media channel that gets
Speaker 5: you income.
Speaker 4: That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I want to be the guy who everybody comes to like,
Speaker 1: can you please read my am I the asshole story?
Speaker 1: And I get to sit in this booth all day
Speaker 1: and just really love that.
Speaker 5: I think it's just the voice of all the like
Speaker 5: the Civil War documentary and like.
Speaker 4: Oh that was that.
Speaker 5: The guy, the one guy who does.
Speaker 7: Ken Burn.
Speaker 4: I think it was David McCullough, who actually he's.
Speaker 5: A historian himself right, yes.
Speaker 4: And has that amazing voice.
Speaker 1: So I want to be that for kind of the
Speaker 1: same as a Ken Burns documentary.
Speaker 4: For am I the asshole in love it?
Speaker 3: I love it, Let's do it. I really am very
Speaker 3: excited about this. It's like we become a rehab that
Speaker 3: sells drugs. Yes, that's what writers about it.
Speaker 4: It's a brilliant thing.
Speaker 1: It's like the time I walked out of the weed
Speaker 1: store to see the girl Scout table set up with
Speaker 1: the cookies right in front of my weed store. It
Speaker 1: was like, here's a thousand dollars. Yeah, like that's the
Speaker 1: most brilliant thing in the world.
Speaker 5: Brilliant Girl Scout.
Speaker 4: It is so I okay, great, well, thanks for help
Speaker 4: with my addiction.
Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing us a great new idea. I'm really
Speaker 2: excited about it.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to do so.
Speaker 4: We got to come up what should we call it,
Speaker 4: Let's Reddit.
Speaker 1: Pod meets Reddit's Good or something as to Reddit meets
Speaker 1: world readit, narrate pod narrates.
Speaker 2: We'll work on these, we'll workshop these, we'll come up
Speaker 2: with something.
Speaker 4: Am I the PMW. We'll figure something. We'll figure something out. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: thanks for the help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for bringing this to us, Thanks
Speaker 3: for giving us an addiction.
Speaker 2: Will you got it?
Speaker 5: Let's go get a smokes.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Welcome to Pod meets World.
Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Fischl, I'm rather strong, and I'm will Fredell
Speaker 1: forty eight meters.
Speaker 3: There hasn't been a week that's passed for over thirty
Speaker 3: years now that someone hasn't uttered the letters TGI F
Speaker 3: at me. As much as the names Topanga, Eric and
Speaker 3: Sean or the show title Boy Meets World have defined
Speaker 3: our careers, so has that act. A programming block doubling
Speaker 3: as a marketing campaign that aired on ABC starting in
Speaker 3: the late eighties and straight through the nineties. Featuring mostly sitcoms,
Speaker 3: this group of shows was geared to family viewing programs
Speaker 3: that could be enjoyed by both kids and parents alike.
Speaker 3: Originally debuting in nineteen eighty nine, ABC committed to funny
Speaker 3: Friday Nights and evening universally considered comatose for ratings but
Speaker 3: ripe for experimentation, and boy did it pay off. TGIF
Speaker 3: would not only become the network tent pole, but it
Speaker 3: would grow into a cultural juggernaut, changing the medium of
Speaker 3: television and.
Speaker 2: Viewing habits forever.
Speaker 3: Over a ten year period, the block included hits like
Speaker 3: Full House, Family Matters, Perfect Strangers, and Boy Meets World,
Speaker 3: with some more fly by Night tenants too, like Where
Speaker 3: I Live, Sledgehammer, Aliens in the Family, and Clueless.
Speaker 2: But just as.
Speaker 3: Important as these TV shows was the marketing behind the concept.
Speaker 3: It included creative commercials, eye catching graphics, hundreds of bumpers
Speaker 3: with tgi F talent in between episodes, and even a
Speaker 3: disastrous U two concert in an attempt to cross promote
Speaker 3: these shows. Yeah I was there for that way. Yeah
Speaker 3: I was supposed to interview Bono, of course, Yes I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: To me.
Speaker 5: They invited us a toy story too.
Speaker 2: I don't think you guys know. I may not have
Speaker 2: been doing movies in the summer, but guess who.
Speaker 3: Got asked to host all the TGIF bumpers.
Speaker 2: That was me.
Speaker 3: These shows did all have humor in common, but it
Speaker 3: was the visionary campaign that tied it all together. And
Speaker 3: so how are ideas like this born? How did Friday
Speaker 3: go from a virtual TV graveyard to one of the
Speaker 3: most profitable nights in ABC history. Well, this week we
Speaker 3: are speaking to the man who did it, the writer
Speaker 3: and producer from the promotions department whose little idea of
Speaker 3: TGIF became a phenomenon and started his prolific career of
Speaker 3: molding TV strategy for decades. He was the man behind
Speaker 3: the TGIF concept, the visuals, the celebrity segments, the on
Speaker 3: location shoots. This was his vision and we couldn't be
Speaker 3: more excited to talk to.
Speaker 2: Him about it today.
Speaker 3: So this week's guest on Podmeats World, welcome the man
Speaker 3: we should actually be thanking for Friday.
Speaker 2: It's Jim janisek.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: How are you are you?
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, look how old you guys are? Young,
Speaker 7: old guy.
Speaker 4: We finally have an honest guest. This is a bad time.
Speaker 7: That's not true. I've seen I've heard many great things
Speaker 7: about all your guests that you got.
Speaker 3: Well, we could not be more excited to talk to
Speaker 3: you today. We have long hoped to speak to a
Speaker 3: network executive from the late nineties, but never in our
Speaker 3: wildest dreams did we ever think we'd get the chance
Speaker 3: to chat with the architect of TGIF.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: I want to first get into how did you start
Speaker 2: at ABC?
Speaker 7: Good question, It's six degrees of separation. Same kind of
Speaker 7: thing I always tell people that ask that kind of question.
Speaker 7: Is when I got to LA. I had worked in
Speaker 7: on air advertising and marketing in local television in Denver,
Speaker 7: That's where I was raised and had always wanted to
Speaker 7: live in LA And immediately, as soon as I could,
Speaker 7: you know, packed up the car and got out here
Speaker 7: and started making phone calls. And eventually, you know, I
Speaker 7: got in front of a gentleman by the name of
Speaker 7: Stu Brower who was running on at the time, who's
Speaker 7: a great guy, and he gave me a chance, and
Speaker 7: I came on board as one of I think there
Speaker 7: were probably about twelve of us producers at ABC at
Speaker 7: the time, and I was pretty young. I was I
Speaker 7: think twenty three, twenty four. And it was a blast.
Speaker 7: And then, you know, went to work just like everybody else,
Speaker 7: you know, spending a lot of time on stage in
Speaker 7: edit base.
Speaker 3: So you were one of twelve producers, were you guys
Speaker 3: in a particular department.
Speaker 7: Or just we were? So we were in on air.
Speaker 7: So our job was to promote new shows and make
Speaker 7: them look appetizing for the people.
Speaker 4: Okay, So and this is the this is the eighties.
Speaker 7: A lot of them were not as easy to promote
Speaker 7: as Yours was good, Yours was lovely?
Speaker 4: Was this the eighties?
Speaker 7: This was yeah, So this would have been about eighty four,
Speaker 7: so eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight,
Speaker 7: and TDIF came about around eighty eight eighty eighty seven.
Speaker 7: I was given the opportunity. So Friday Night used to
Speaker 7: be what was considered the death slot. And I was
Speaker 7: this guy, you know, young young producer. They and I
Speaker 7: was promoting moonlighting and things like that, and it was
Speaker 7: a summer and was given the opportunity to basically come
Speaker 7: up with something that would help promote Friday Night and
Speaker 7: make it appealing. And it was always a mish mash
Speaker 7: of stuff. They would just kind of put shows there
Speaker 7: that were on their last legs because the network always
Speaker 7: believed that most people were out going on dates things
Speaker 7: like that. That was kind of the attitude at the time.
Speaker 7: And with me, I was raised basically that we got
Speaker 7: together on Fridays and Sundays and you know, as a
Speaker 7: family and often with our cousins, would have dinner and
Speaker 7: then would you know, sit and watch TV. Specifically on
Speaker 7: Sunday nights. We would always sit and watch mutual, Omaha's
Speaker 7: Wild Kingdom, then Disney Sunday Movie, and it was a
Speaker 7: whole experience that we did together. And so it was
Speaker 7: summer of eighty seven or eighty eight, I think it
Speaker 7: was somewhere in that area, and just so happened that
Speaker 7: there were new bosses in charge, so we had I
Speaker 7: guess people weren't really paying attention much to us, and
Speaker 7: so in summer most of us producers were, you know,
Speaker 7: either vacation because again we were between seasons. We weren't
Speaker 7: starting to push for fall yet. Okay, so it was
Speaker 7: a thing where you know, these they gave me these
Speaker 7: comedies and said, okay, so we have full house, mister Velvet,
Speaker 7: are perfect strangers and just the ten of us and
Speaker 7: you know, go And so I basically took a bunch
Speaker 7: of stuff and made up stories and just started doing
Speaker 7: crazy things. And so these were cut promos, but we
Speaker 7: would get some big names doing the voiceovers for us,
Speaker 7: and we I made up stories like you know, Bob Costello, Burbank,
Speaker 7: you know, started watching TGIF and suddenly shaved thirty two
Speaker 7: strokes off as golf game. You know, funny things like that,
Speaker 7: And so we would and We just did this whole
Speaker 7: campaign around these made up stories, using stock footage and
Speaker 7: things like that to try to get attention, and it
Speaker 7: started to work. We started to get a little bit
Speaker 7: of attention. Is specifically, my bosses called me and said,
Speaker 7: I don't know what kind of drugs you're on, but
Speaker 7: keep going, keep a yeah, as the market. Mark Zachern
Speaker 7: who was my boss, and he was right under Bob
Speaker 7: Iger and so it that's how it started. And then
Speaker 7: Stu Brower and I started really looking at it as
Speaker 7: Fall came along and said how do we extend that?
Speaker 7: And being the young kind of ambitious producer I wanted
Speaker 7: to be and you know, growing again, I was twenty
Speaker 7: three and my entire goal in life was to be
Speaker 7: on set as much as possible, So I proposed to them.
Speaker 7: I said, what if we went to the showrunners And
Speaker 7: at the time it was millibo At you know, and
Speaker 7: Tom Miller were the majority of the shows. And then
Speaker 7: we went to them and said, hey, what if we
Speaker 7: did these little hosted segments and that you know, they
Speaker 7: agreed to try it and see if they could. You know,
Speaker 7: what it would be like, and we would come in
Speaker 7: after the show, as you know, we'd show up as
Speaker 7: you were wrapping and you were tired and ready to
Speaker 7: go home, and you and you guys would graciously sit
Speaker 7: with us and do something on the couch. And the
Speaker 7: whole idea was, you know, everyone thought, oh, the couch,
Speaker 7: that seems so weird, wanted to do, you know, and
Speaker 7: our whole idea. The idea was to create an arc
Speaker 7: across the whole night with the different shows, so that
Speaker 7: no matter what show you were watching, you felt like
Speaker 7: you were watching with the other shows, that when they
Speaker 7: were done with their show, they were sitting down and
Speaker 7: with you at home watching you know, watching the shows.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, it was just again it was trying
Speaker 7: to recreate that thing that I did with my childhood.
Speaker 7: And it started to take and you know, one thing
Speaker 7: led to another. We got a little bit in trouble
Speaker 7: with the FCC because they didn't like the fact that
Speaker 7: we were doing that. We were only allowed to do
Speaker 7: two and a half minutes I believe it was somewhere
Speaker 7: like two and a half minutes of promo before each
Speaker 7: or in each programming block, and they classified this as promo.
Speaker 7: And so we were like, how do we get how
Speaker 7: do we sneak around that? And we went back and
Speaker 7: we said, okay, rather than being promotion, we had to
Speaker 7: make this more entertaining. We had to crack a few jokes.
Speaker 7: We had to do that, and then they would qualify
Speaker 7: this as more more part of the entertainment.
Speaker 5: Sounds like original programming, right.
Speaker 7: So we went back exactly and we went back and
Speaker 7: we said, okay, how about this, and they said, well,
Speaker 7: you still can't use a pod and that's why we
Speaker 7: that was a commercial pod at the time. So that's
Speaker 7: when we went back to the shows and Miller Boyette
Speaker 7: was the first to do it, and we said, will
Speaker 7: you cut twenty to thirty seconds out of your credits
Speaker 7: each each week and make this happen for us? And
Speaker 7: they agreed and that was the start. And then you know,
Speaker 7: it's a long story. I don't mean to go on
Speaker 7: and on and okay, okay, So ultimately it built from there.
Speaker 7: We got it started to get a little rocky again
Speaker 7: because it took a while for this to catch on.
Speaker 7: It took a good year before it really you know,
Speaker 7: started to catch and.
Speaker 5: The we started to get away that you know that
Speaker 5: it's catching on is because of the ratings. Like ultimately
Speaker 5: you're looking at the numbers things show or how do
Speaker 5: you it has like a cultural impact?
Speaker 7: That's a great question. And the ratings and the I
Speaker 7: would call it the inflection point happened about a year later.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you're familiar, but they would do
Speaker 7: Q ratings, so they will hold up a picture, you know,
Speaker 7: do you recognize Danielle? You know who is she? And
Speaker 7: rather and I don't know if it was with you.
Speaker 7: I don't recall who they were doing this test with,
Speaker 7: but they said something to the effect of people would go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's the people from tgif right and research research department
Speaker 7: went crazy and said, we need to cancel this because
Speaker 7: they've lost the names of the shows. They don't know
Speaker 7: the names of the shows. And this is where it
Speaker 7: comes back to I oh, all credit to Bob Iger.
Speaker 7: He stood in the way and he was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: we have a brand. He says, this is something that
Speaker 7: we're sticking with. And that's when they started really dumping
Speaker 7: money into it and saying, Okay, now we're going to
Speaker 7: push and we created you know, original animation and locked
Speaker 7: in on the name and and so that's kind of
Speaker 7: the just of how it all came to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's so smard because if you're Bob Iger
Speaker 3: and you're going, oh, you mean, all the power.
Speaker 2: Isn't with these individual shows. The power is in something.
Speaker 3: Editor show we want in there, and people will still go, oh,
Speaker 3: it's the new part of tgis so very.
Speaker 7: Very yes, you are exactly right. And it was a
Speaker 7: neat thing too. For sales. They used to go to
Speaker 7: ad sales caught onto this and basically said, okay, now
Speaker 7: we can do tent poling, which is a strategy that's
Speaker 7: done where they'll take two strong shows like here's Boy
Speaker 7: Meets World and here's Full House, and we'll put something
Speaker 7: in between it, or we'll put something just after it
Speaker 7: and lead it in and test our new pilots. And
Speaker 7: in advertising, rather than saying you just bought you know, hey,
Speaker 7: Kellogg's just bought Boy Meets World, Kellogg's wasn't offered Boy
Speaker 7: Meets World. They were offered TGIF and so the price
Speaker 7: was the same across the whole arc. So wasn't the
Speaker 7: case where you got you know, so they were basically
Speaker 7: leveraging getting a lot more in the revenues to happen.
Speaker 3: So and to your point, then if people are staying in.
Speaker 3: But if people are staying to watch the whole block
Speaker 3: partially because there's BTS stuff they're watching the casts do
Speaker 3: in between the shows, they're also seeing all those commercials
Speaker 3: in between.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, you are right on target. It's it really
Speaker 7: became kind of just a neat little FuMO event we
Speaker 7: would call it. So it was, you know, fear missing
Speaker 7: app and it was one of those things that the
Speaker 7: kids would drive mostly. That's why we'd use you know,
Speaker 7: we'd often use the younger cast members to do the
Speaker 7: promotions and it worked. It seemed to just catch on
Speaker 7: and keep going. So it went on for I think
Speaker 7: ten years.
Speaker 1: So now, what was what was the first I mean,
Speaker 1: I know the entire night took off, but what was
Speaker 1: the first hit show from TJF.
Speaker 4: Was it Perfect Strangers?
Speaker 7: If you ask me, yes, So full House took a
Speaker 7: little longer, and Full House didn't always want to be
Speaker 7: on Friday night. They were really pushing for Tuesday night
Speaker 7: and it, you know, I don't know necessarily why, but
Speaker 7: ultimately Full House became kind of that early anchor because
Speaker 7: it's skewed to the youngest. Personally, I loved Perfect Strangers
Speaker 7: because they were geniuses and just unbelievable. We deliver scripts
Speaker 7: to them and they'd be like, oh, that's nice, and
Speaker 7: then they come back with these incredible limericks and rhymes
Speaker 7: and fun things, and I just I was like, they
Speaker 7: were so much fun. You guys too, were so you
Speaker 7: guys were always the best to work with. Was never
Speaker 7: a no or anything. And I remember, Danielle, when you
Speaker 7: and I went to you two, I want.
Speaker 2: To get into that story.
Speaker 7: We just.
Speaker 5: Always been a fan of you too. Personally.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know me too. I don't know Sandy Christmas
Speaker 7: was behind that or.
Speaker 2: Who was Sandy.
Speaker 7: Sandy Christmas remember that, Jesus sweetheart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's Miss Sandys.
Speaker 3: When ABC just recently, within the last five years or so,
Speaker 3: did a little bring back of t G I f U,
Speaker 3: they asked me to do a commercial.
Speaker 2: They brought me back to do a commercial and Sandy
Speaker 2: and Christmas was there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Andy, just a couple of weeks ago. She's a sweetheart.
Speaker 7: She's retired now, but just the love of the life.
Speaker 7: She was kind of the mama bear of the department
Speaker 7: who kept us all straight. We were all young, egotistical,
Speaker 7: you know, producers, and she'd be the one coming and going.
Speaker 7: You're not doing that, even though she was kind of
Speaker 7: assisting us. She was just the greatest of people. So
Speaker 7: loved her and she loved connecting people. She was great
Speaker 7: with folks. So I remember her and I doing a
Speaker 7: special where we we had one day to shoot a
Speaker 7: special with Delta Burke and Mark Curry and we had
Speaker 7: the back lot of Warner Brothers to our avail and
Speaker 7: she and I loaded up a golf cart with cameras
Speaker 7: and just were running like crazy all over the place
Speaker 7: get things done. And you know, Sandy is the type
Speaker 7: that would walk up to anybody, Hey, you you come
Speaker 7: over here, you know, can I talk to you? So
Speaker 7: it was great. It was lots of fun.
Speaker 3: Where did the name TGIF come from? And I want
Speaker 3: to know if there were other options that you remember
Speaker 3: being pitched around. So it is not thank God it's Friday.
Speaker 3: It is thank goodness, it's funny. That's what TGIF stands for.
Speaker 3: Thank Goodness, It's funny. So where did that come from?
Speaker 3: And what were some other options you guys had?
Speaker 7: So we were talking about things like the Friday Fun Club.
Speaker 7: There's a whole list somewhere I probably could dig up,
Speaker 7: but I remember that one. You know, It's Friday Night,
Speaker 7: lots of little shortism, and I don't recall exactly where
Speaker 7: it came from. We had that was on our list.
Speaker 7: We were concerned about the restaurants at the time coming
Speaker 7: at us, you know, and so we weren't really sure,
Speaker 7: but I do remember I was standing at five to
Speaker 7: five posts or something. We did our first animation, which
Speaker 7: kind of was kind of more childlike, with a little
Speaker 7: mouse called Friday the Mouse, which was it was. We
Speaker 7: were animating that with a guy by the name of
Speaker 7: Bob Kurtz who runs a company. I don't know if
Speaker 7: he's still around, but Bob Kurtz and friends did the
Speaker 7: original commercials for Shell and for It's the Green Dinosaur.
Speaker 7: It was a green animated green dinosaur for a gas
Speaker 7: and oil company, and the line was, remember some dinosaur
Speaker 7: gave his or her all for that tank of gas
Speaker 7: and I and he and he'd always this little animated
Speaker 7: dinosaur and I love that dinosaur as a kid. So
Speaker 7: I was like, I need to find this guy. So
Speaker 7: that's we had hired, and I was with him. We
Speaker 7: were animating the open and then Stu Brower and Bob
Speaker 7: Iger called and said, we've landed on TG if we
Speaker 7: want to call TJF. So that's where we got the name,
Speaker 7: and we started animating those letters into the open and
Speaker 7: went from there. But we were literally standing by in
Speaker 7: a post house about to execute on that because time
Speaker 7: was taken. So that's where the name came from. It
Speaker 7: was and and Bob, I believe, came up with, Thank goodness,
Speaker 7: it's funny to avoid any conflict, Yeah, with any any restaurants.
Speaker 1: And wait, so, just to get my television history right,
Speaker 1: Just the Ten of Us was a spin off of
Speaker 1: Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 7: I don't know that's a spun.
Speaker 1: From something because the coach was it was it was
Speaker 1: a character on another Yes he was, he was. I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one it was. That then spun off
Speaker 1: into Just the Ten of Us.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, Rachel, Yeah.
Speaker 7: And Just the Ten of Us was Mister Belvedere was
Speaker 7: was waning, and Just the Ten of Us was also
Speaker 7: kind of on its last season just when we were
Speaker 7: were coming in, and then it went to Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 7: Full House. You folks came in ninety three, I think
Speaker 7: it was something like that, right, yeah, which was great.
Speaker 7: You're you were you hit right at the Prime and
Speaker 7: where we were rocking and rolling and you were the
Speaker 7: perfect show for it. It just, you know, it just
Speaker 7: nailed it because you had all the family values, the
Speaker 7: kids that you know, the high school. You were right
Speaker 7: on target. So it was a no brainer to have
Speaker 7: Boime's World there.
Speaker 5: And so I have a question about the network in general.
Speaker 5: Did you have a sense of the network having a
Speaker 5: personality or a sort of like ideal viewer, like because ABC,
Speaker 5: I mean our corner of ABC was very much family,
Speaker 5: but was there did you guys have like meetings where
Speaker 5: you were like who is our ideal consumer? Who's who's watching?
Speaker 5: And like what is AB? How is ABC different than
Speaker 5: NBC or Fox? Did you guys know what that was
Speaker 5: and what that meant?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's sort of it's a you know people. Again,
Speaker 7: when we were part of Cap Cities, which I think
Speaker 7: we had become Disney right around I'm not sure when
Speaker 7: Disney came in, but I think early.
Speaker 4: On ninety six, wasn't.
Speaker 7: It, Yeah somewhere, but we were part of caps Cities initially,
Speaker 7: so and Cap cityse Murphy and Burke were really genuine
Speaker 7: people and would allow us to come to Century City
Speaker 7: and be parts of these meetings. The entire network was
Speaker 7: only eight hundred people, so that was it. We were,
Speaker 7: you know, the whole and most of them were in
Speaker 7: the field, so like you know, the fourth floor in
Speaker 7: Century City was where the power was. And you know,
Speaker 7: there were program execs as you know, you've been there.
Speaker 7: You guys were, I'm sure in those offices at the time,
Speaker 7: and that you know, that was really it. And then
Speaker 7: there were the producers in the field like myself and
Speaker 7: on air, and the people running operations over in prospect
Speaker 7: a lot and it so it was very much a family.
Speaker 7: We all knew each other pretty well and you know,
Speaker 7: would run across each other in the hallways. There was
Speaker 7: always the question of who, you know, we were because
Speaker 7: at that time they were kind of thematically broadcasting depending
Speaker 7: on what night of the week you were at. So
Speaker 7: you know, there was dramas on certain nights. You know,
Speaker 7: Moonlighting was more adult. Okay, so that was Tuesday night
Speaker 7: and that was where they put you know, Tuesday night
Speaker 7: comedies and things that had a little more adult theme
Speaker 7: to them. You know, they were I think Jack and
Speaker 7: Mike things like that were over there. It was more
Speaker 7: of a mystery you know movie or mystery show. It
Speaker 7: was interesting because it's a funny story. I got in
Speaker 7: trouble once when I got invited to one of those
Speaker 7: programming things, which was it wasn't I wouldn't call it
Speaker 7: big trouble, but like it. You know, we're around the
Speaker 7: table of about thirty of the top exacts there and
Speaker 7: one the gentleman John Scias, who was like a huge
Speaker 7: he was way up at the top of uh of
Speaker 7: the power chain, was talking and said, you know that
Speaker 7: we were talking about NBC because that was the big threat.
Speaker 7: You know, NBC was NBC was the hip place, so
Speaker 7: talk about that fomo you know, ABC of course was
Speaker 7: I won't you know, I want this and I want
Speaker 7: to be cool exactly enough of this family, that was
Speaker 7: exactly it. There was always that, and we even knew
Speaker 7: the people, you know, Tom you know uh Miller John
Speaker 7: Miller over was running NBC's uh uh marketing department. We
Speaker 7: all were friends and knew and Vince Mansie and all
Speaker 7: those folks. But everyone wanted to be everyone else, and
Speaker 7: CBS was always the Tiffany network, and it was always
Speaker 7: the you know, the older people, and so it was
Speaker 7: that battle for that eighteen to thirty five that everybody
Speaker 7: thought they wanted it, and you know, we weren't looked
Speaker 7: down upon it all for TJF because it became such
Speaker 7: a powerhouse. It kind of became a hands off thing,
Speaker 7: which was great. But I was like, you, Danielle, I
Speaker 7: was kind of like, this is the American Broadcasting Company,
Speaker 7: and it should be you know, it should be family, family, family.
Speaker 7: We could really nail this. And I made the comment
Speaker 7: in this meeting, I was like, aren't we the American
Speaker 7: broadcast You know, they were talking about pasting broadcasting and
Speaker 7: you know, all the different dimensions of it, and I said,
Speaker 7: shouldn't we That cable wasn't really barely there, you know,
Speaker 7: there was MTV and stuff like that. But I made
Speaker 7: the comment, I said, so, why aren't we considering maybe
Speaker 7: narrow casting a little bit toward a very specific audience
Speaker 7: like a lot of these so called cable networks are
Speaker 7: starting to do. And John Syas looked at me and
Speaker 7: he goes, young man, because this is the American Broadcasting Company,
Speaker 7: not the narrow casting fucking.
Speaker 4: Go stand in the corner.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 8: Away.
Speaker 7: I don't think. I don't I don't think I got
Speaker 7: invited back to that meeting.
Speaker 8: Oh but it was because this was also I mean,
Speaker 8: this was the time if if eighteen thirty five, eighteen
Speaker 8: to thirty.
Speaker 1: Five is what everybody was was clamoring for, but also
Speaker 1: ninety three ninety four the Fox network comes out of
Speaker 1: nowhere and you've got children on this Simpsons and they're
Speaker 1: going for that kind of It's like they were really
Speaker 1: shooting towards that demographic. So everybody, it really made everybody
Speaker 1: kind of have to hone their identity because it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now we're young and hips, so you're going to push
Speaker 1: NBC more to the middle.
Speaker 4: So then where do you go from there?
Speaker 8: Wow?
Speaker 4: What a street.
Speaker 5: It's a really good question because what for cable networks,
Speaker 5: being specific was exactly the way to go, Like you
Speaker 5: had to be the channel just for one type of
Speaker 5: audience because if you could build that fan base, you
Speaker 5: could continue. But yeah, for network MTV simple, it's still
Speaker 5: a huge I mean now streamers are asking themselves this
Speaker 5: all the time, right because it's like, are you a
Speaker 5: Netflix where you just try and be the channel for
Speaker 5: everybody or everything?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so interesting, it's such a big question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it is a fascinating thing, and you know,
Speaker 7: to this day is still a battle people have of
Speaker 7: trying to find their audience. And I'm kind of a
Speaker 7: big believer that you can't please everybody all the time,
Speaker 7: and you know, you have to kind of focus on
Speaker 7: what you can do. And I'm also a big believer
Speaker 7: in stuff I do now that family is that one
Speaker 7: place that still has a lot of opportunity. You know,
Speaker 7: I don't want to sit on the couch, even though
Speaker 7: my daughter is now twenty three, I don't want to
Speaker 7: sit on the couch if I had younger ones, yeah,
Speaker 7: and watch something and have them start to crack super
Speaker 7: sexual jokes or something like that. I just I don't
Speaker 7: want to be uncomfortable with that. I want something that's
Speaker 7: easy to watch and comfortable and fun. And you know
Speaker 7: that's it. So it's uh, I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Was truly the first, because even Must See TV came after.
Speaker 3: Like it's like you you invented the idea of labeling
Speaker 3: you're a night night or a block as something to
Speaker 3: promote itself for a network. So it's it's like, it's
Speaker 3: so it's so genius how ABC. I mean, maybe they have,
Speaker 3: but I feel like ABC owes you forever and ever.
Speaker 7: And ever, that's very very kind. And I don't know
Speaker 7: if I was, if I was before Musty TV, but
Speaker 7: I I know. I mean, obviously, Vince and John you know,
Speaker 7: did a fantastic job promoting that, and that was the
Speaker 7: Thursday night block that was unpenetrable and they they were
Speaker 7: great and so we it's it was fun. I thank
Speaker 7: you for the nice comments. And ABC did very were
Speaker 7: They treated me very well. I stayed with ABC and
Speaker 7: Disney for through two thousands doing all kinds of things.
Speaker 7: So when I had babies, they called me and said,
Speaker 7: we want you to do Big Einstein and I was like,
Speaker 7: that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Can we talk a little bit about I think we
Speaker 1: pushed it off long enough? How did you not get
Speaker 1: invited to this you two thing?
Speaker 4: And what the hell do you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And how is Danielle friends with Bono? And we didn't
Speaker 4: know this the entire time?
Speaker 7: What what happened with this?
Speaker 2: The story of the U two shoot?
Speaker 7: The U two shoot? So it uh, you know, obviously
Speaker 7: we get called and we're like, so, you know, you
Speaker 7: two's launching their new pop album in Vegas and Student's
Speaker 7: like you want to go? And you know, maybe we'll
Speaker 7: pull in one of the talent. Let's see if we
Speaker 7: can do that. And I apologized I was not behind
Speaker 7: the decision of who got to go, don't. I don't
Speaker 7: know I would if so we we I don't remember
Speaker 7: how I think, I know, you know, Danielle, your your
Speaker 7: your mom or your agents responded right away and said
Speaker 7: she loves him, like okay, So we we go out
Speaker 7: there and we're getting ready and it's it's it was
Speaker 7: a semi live thing. We were racing the clock and
Speaker 7: uh it was So that was a kind of a
Speaker 7: first for us. We were used to filming something about
Speaker 7: a week in advance and being able to take it
Speaker 7: to post and turn it around. And so we had
Speaker 7: editors standing by and a satellite window sitting open, and so,
Speaker 7: you know, we basically were ready and you know, we're
Speaker 7: in the tent getting ready. I don't remember the All
Speaker 7: I remember is there were you know, a bunch of
Speaker 7: stars around us, and we were getting food or something
Speaker 7: and getting ready and we were going to go into
Speaker 7: the tent with Bono and Edge and you know, have
Speaker 7: them do these little bits like you guys do, and
Speaker 7: they were all in on it. And then at the
Speaker 7: last minute. They because they were premiering I think their
Speaker 7: their record and stuff. They tell us they're like, we're
Speaker 7: not going to we don't have time, we don't want
Speaker 7: to do this, and so we're like, ah, yeah, so
Speaker 7: you did, I did. I did. She got to go
Speaker 7: in the tent and meet them and and you know,
Speaker 7: so that was great where I'm so glad you did
Speaker 7: that because that would have sucked store to speak, I apologize,
Speaker 7: but but anyway, then she came out and by then
Speaker 7: we kind of formulated, Okay, here's what we're going to do.
Speaker 7: So you and I and our photographer ran to the
Speaker 7: back of the stands and basically I told Danielle, Okay,
Speaker 7: now now pretend you're hosting that just it's about to
Speaker 7: happen and go live blah blah. And so we I
Speaker 7: don't remember what the script was, but we wrote something
Speaker 7: pretty quick and you pulled it off. You did a
Speaker 7: great job. And we turned the camera around and it
Speaker 7: made it look like she was reporting live from the
Speaker 7: concert venue.
Speaker 3: Do you picture like if you picture like the Hollywood
Speaker 3: Bowl and being like, okay, we're not ready to interview
Speaker 3: people who were going on.
Speaker 2: Stage at the Hollywood Bowl.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going, never mind, we don't want to
Speaker 3: We're about ready to do this.
Speaker 2: We're canceling it at the last second.
Speaker 3: And then Jim and I looking at each other and
Speaker 3: him going all right, let me put something together. Run
Speaker 3: to the top of the Hollywood Bowl stairs with the
Speaker 3: Hollywood the Bowl behind you, and.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say like, we're here, but you too. He
Speaker 2: was about ready the pop and blue and we did.
Speaker 2: I said, somebody, it was like take it away at
Speaker 2: the start of the show.
Speaker 7: That was exactly. It was the greatest save and got
Speaker 7: lots of lots of kudos. I hope you've heard them too.
Speaker 7: The network was very happy. They were not disappointed at all.
Speaker 2: So no, they weren't disappointed. They were really happy.
Speaker 4: It was only Rider and I were disappointed.
Speaker 2: It's funny because it was a.
Speaker 7: Good Yeah, you guys could have been you got I
Speaker 7: am again. I'm never to live that one down, I guess.
Speaker 4: So we didn't even know about it until ten minutes ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, until I'm shaking Bono's hand. I'm not I'm not excited.
Speaker 2: Listen, guys. It was the Q rating.
Speaker 7: It was the that's when she walked in it, when
Speaker 7: she walked in. You know, Bono went You're the girl
Speaker 7: from TG.
Speaker 2: So funny.
Speaker 7: It was a very fun concert. It was It was
Speaker 7: super cool because we had good seats too. They were
Speaker 7: right there pretty much, if I recall, they were up
Speaker 7: there in front.
Speaker 5: So was there a big shift when Disney bought the network?
Speaker 5: Did it change the did it change your job? Did
Speaker 5: it change your day to day experience? What did that mean?
Speaker 7: There were you know, there were always shifting chairs Disney.
Speaker 7: You know, there was a lot of fear when Disney
Speaker 7: came in that there was gonna be big, big shifts
Speaker 7: in that front. But really, for the most part, they
Speaker 7: didn't mess with us too much. Obviously programming, and part
Speaker 7: of it is because Bob continued to lead, and so
Speaker 7: it was, you know, it was Bob's network basically at
Speaker 7: the time, and he held that pretty pretty close to heart,
Speaker 7: and the people around him, Stut Bloomberg, all those folks,
Speaker 7: you know, were the next in line to continue that on.
Speaker 7: So didn't get a lot of that. I noticed, at
Speaker 7: least a lot. I mean, there were a few new
Speaker 7: bosses and programm execs that came in, but to me,
Speaker 7: Disney was all about family. So I was kind of like, okay,
Speaker 7: we do yeah, yeah, and so and it did. It
Speaker 7: worked very well. We were able. The coolest thing that
Speaker 7: I think happened when Disney came in was the idea
Speaker 7: of synergy. There wasn't a lot we while we as
Speaker 7: a night were all about synergy and talking about other
Speaker 7: shows and helping promote one another, the network as a whole,
Speaker 7: and other shows that were not necessarily about that or
Speaker 7: hadn't really learned to do that. And when when the
Speaker 7: Disney came in, then all of a sudden, we have
Speaker 7: theme parks, we have cruise lines, we have you know,
Speaker 7: these other movies that they're doing that we can suddenly
Speaker 7: you know, latch onto and do co promotions with and
Speaker 7: had a lot more money to work with. Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you also helping to decide what shows were on
Speaker 1: T G I F Were you?
Speaker 4: Were you actually picking the content that went on the night.
Speaker 7: We didn't get that much that was in the programming
Speaker 7: department's decision. We were involved in meetings like that, so
Speaker 7: they you know, we got to hear and and you know,
Speaker 7: hear the meetings and go through some of the pitches
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. So but I would they listen
Speaker 7: to exactly what we thought. No, I wouldn't necessarily.
Speaker 5: Does that mean that you would have to be promoting
Speaker 5: something and knowing it was probably not going to catch on?
Speaker 5: That that would often happen, right Like you would be
Speaker 5: saddled with a show and they'd be pitching you and
Speaker 5: You're like, how do I promote this? This is a
Speaker 5: stinker that must have happened, right.
Speaker 7: Oh, just a few times.
Speaker 5: Were you ever surprised? Were you ever like this is
Speaker 5: probably not okay? Could could you? Because that will be
Speaker 5: Can you name a successful where you were like, I
Speaker 5: don't get that.
Speaker 7: I will get in trouble if I say it, but
Speaker 7: I will say it because I'm nearly retired anyway, and
Speaker 7: I probably deserve this. So in one of those big
Speaker 7: round table meetings, and I've admitted this to to you know,
Speaker 7: Bob Boyette and Tom Miller before, and I've even to
Speaker 7: the cast so full house, I was one of the
Speaker 7: guys in the meeting. We were in the meeting programming meeting,
Speaker 7: and they were talking about the queues and all this stuff.
Speaker 7: And again I was young and just learning my roots,
Speaker 7: and I was and t g if was barely even there.
Speaker 7: I don't think that had even been recognized that much yet.
Speaker 7: But I just was like, I didn't get it. I
Speaker 7: was just like I because I had been on set
Speaker 7: and I watched them feed the little you know, feed
Speaker 7: Ashley and Mary Kate Lynes and love them. I mean
Speaker 7: I worked with them a ton afterwards, and they were,
Speaker 7: you know, they're nothing but sweet. The whole cast was wonderful,
Speaker 7: and I just didn't get it. And I was just like,
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think they can act. I don't
Speaker 7: think they can do the you know. It just wasn't
Speaker 7: feel it didn't feel right. And this was their season
Speaker 7: one and it did take them two seasons to catch on.
Speaker 7: But that's my big oops, I would say.
Speaker 1: And that's also in television allowed a show to grow
Speaker 1: though it's like, Okay, the show is not going really well, Well,
Speaker 1: we're still going to give.
Speaker 4: It a season or two.
Speaker 1: That just doesn't absolutely get an episode now when you're
Speaker 1: out well, but.
Speaker 5: That's what TGIF could afford. I mean, that's part of it.
Speaker 5: Like the risk mitigation for the network is also artistically
Speaker 5: for the creators. Risk mitigation like that allows them the
Speaker 5: chance to like to grail around for a couple episodes,
Speaker 5: get their act together and figure out how to you know,
Speaker 5: how to make it. Yeah, it's really everybody wins. It
Speaker 5: seems like in that situation.
Speaker 7: That was the idea was the whole was greater than
Speaker 7: the sum of the parts. That was our line, as
Speaker 7: we would if we worked together, we would all do it.
Speaker 7: And that became part of the contract if you joined
Speaker 7: t G. If you weren't allowed to say I can't,
Speaker 7: I'm not doing that, you know you basically you had
Speaker 7: to be part of the family, so to speak, and
Speaker 7: do things with us.
Speaker 3: Well. I also want to talk about you mentioned it
Speaker 3: with the U two one where it could have been
Speaker 3: a disaster a shoot, but we saved it. It wasn't
Speaker 3: a disaster a shoot in the end. But I do
Speaker 3: want to know do you have any stories of true disaster.
Speaker 5: I want to know who refused to do the TJ
Speaker 5: But I would love to hear a story of somebody.
Speaker 5: You don't have to say, I want to hear what this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dinosaurs was very difficult to work with. Kid they were,
Speaker 7: but that was you know, that show was very difficult
Speaker 7: to do. I mean poor people, those poor people would
Speaker 7: be throwing up in the suits because they were so
Speaker 7: hot and they were just doing things they were and
Speaker 7: the sets were you know, these immense things. So so no,
Speaker 7: we didn't have anything. I would say, you know, some
Speaker 7: of the craziest, funniest things would happen when you know,
Speaker 7: like shooting with the Muppets. The Muppets would you know,
Speaker 7: call us out and you know off camera those guys
Speaker 7: can be hilarious. Start calling you out. Yeah, I start
Speaker 7: calling you out on things you have gonzo bitch and etches,
Speaker 7: stuff like that, you know. So I'm trying to think
Speaker 7: of other things. We didn't really have big disasters, you know, nothing.
Speaker 7: Camp Wilder could sometimes get a little crazy. J Moore
Speaker 7: is a nut, you know, I don't know, you know
Speaker 7: Jay and so, and we had him for a season
Speaker 7: work working with us and he was kind of like
Speaker 7: herding cats and you know he was but good guy.
Speaker 7: You know he did he meant nothing but good. But definitely, uh, I.
Speaker 2: Would say, difficult talent.
Speaker 7: Besides Danielle, I got those guys. Let's see, I don't
Speaker 7: really think we did. I mean, we had some that
Speaker 7: didn't want to do things, but that's about it. I
Speaker 7: mean I think about it now and I'm like, God,
Speaker 7: you know, Patrick Duffy and Suzanne and Summers were always
Speaker 7: in for things. They would always be willing. You guys
Speaker 7: were always willing. You know Karen Miller, who you probably also.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you know Karen. I think Sandy
Speaker 7: would integrate with you. But Karen was on the side
Speaker 7: of Miller Boyett, and she was kind of what I
Speaker 7: would She was the Sandy or the the the peacekeeper,
Speaker 7: you know, whenever she would feel about what's going on
Speaker 7: in the shows. Because we knew you had some shows
Speaker 7: that were difficult, and so we would try to stay
Speaker 7: away from you when you were in you know, a
Speaker 7: heavy production that you had something going that you couldn't
Speaker 7: So we would always navigate that through you know, Sandy
Speaker 7: or through Karen Miller to get you know, to get
Speaker 7: the right cast. So often when people would turn us down,
Speaker 7: it was because it was a crazy week or something
Speaker 7: was way off, or someone might be sick or you
Speaker 7: know that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Now, who would decide who would go with whom?
Speaker 1: Because we had Jalil White on and we figured out
Speaker 1: as we were sitting here, like T Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: and Family Matters never did promos together, and he said,
Speaker 1: it's because that they were owned by Warner Brothers and
Speaker 1: we were owned by Disney, so they were never allowed
Speaker 1: We were never really allowed to connect.
Speaker 4: Is that something you remember or was that done by design?
Speaker 7: No, it wasn't done by design. We would have probably
Speaker 7: loved to mix cast like that. And part of it
Speaker 7: was because of how things were getting paid, so you know,
Speaker 7: the network wasn't the network was reimbursing studio for cost
Speaker 7: and Warner Brothers was obviously the one studio and so
Speaker 7: you know, for the hour two hours ot that we
Speaker 7: might pull, that was more the issue than anything as
Speaker 7: how do they mix. Now, when we did preview specials
Speaker 7: and things like that, we would try to mix a
Speaker 7: little bit and you know, get them. But and I
Speaker 7: completely forgotten how that you can bring up family matters.
Speaker 7: I mean they were great. We had some you know,
Speaker 7: there were some conflicts on that show a little bit,
Speaker 7: but they would always get through them and and do things,
Speaker 7: so it wasn't it wasn't horrible.
Speaker 5: I remember doing the tg IF spots was my first
Speaker 5: experience with a teleprompter. Oh, I remember, like it was
Speaker 5: really yeah, well yeah, because I was twelve or thirteen
Speaker 5: years old. I remember like them rolling in the thing
Speaker 5: and putting.
Speaker 7: In I was like, oh my god, so weird. It
Speaker 7: makes life much easier. Does so weird?
Speaker 5: Though I hated it, I remember hate it. I was like, no,
Speaker 5: I just want to learn the lines. I don't want
Speaker 5: to have to look at it. It's so weird.
Speaker 7: I love you guys, did good. I never you never
Speaker 7: knew it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you were made to be a good host.
Speaker 5: This is why you got a good telegraphs.
Speaker 2: Well it is. I do remember. I do remember.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I
Speaker 3: do remember back in the day when I got because
Speaker 3: I got asked to do a lot of them. I
Speaker 3: did a lot of interstitials, a lot of little things
Speaker 3: for for tg IF, and I remember them saying, you're
Speaker 3: really good at it, and you're super fast. We could
Speaker 3: get in and out, we could shoot a bu bunch
Speaker 3: of different interstitials all in one time. And I was
Speaker 3: because I was quick at reading off the teleprompter. I
Speaker 3: was a you could throw me into any situation.
Speaker 2: And I was.
Speaker 4: Always also talk fast.
Speaker 2: I talked fast.
Speaker 3: I have a bunch of I had tons of energy.
Speaker 2: Energy, it's all there.
Speaker 7: I don't think we ever had to had to say hey,
Speaker 7: can you kinda We never had to say energy, can
Speaker 7: you can of just make it like you're having fun?
Speaker 2: Well, we did not.
Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear you talk about reimbursing the production.
Speaker 3: We did not get paid for those.
Speaker 2: Those were part of.
Speaker 3: That was just it was considered promo, even though you
Speaker 3: guys went to the FCC.
Speaker 2: Additional stuff.
Speaker 3: But let me tell you something, We did not know that.
Speaker 3: But let me tell you something. When I started getting
Speaker 3: asked to do more and more of these interstitials, and
Speaker 3: I got to a point where I just said I
Speaker 3: don't want to.
Speaker 2: It was always on a weekend.
Speaker 3: It was like it was an extra day out of
Speaker 3: my schedule where they would want me to go and
Speaker 3: do something. You guys, we did a thing where we
Speaker 3: went to Danielle's hometown, We went to your Belinda, we
Speaker 3: did I was doing a lot of them, and I
Speaker 3: just started saying, no, like, these are a lot of them,
Speaker 3: and so my mom's this is the.
Speaker 7: One I couldn't talk about being in trouble, you.
Speaker 5: Know, the one you forgot, the one the one I
Speaker 5: forgot that I.
Speaker 7: Couldn't bring up of them.
Speaker 3: Went to Judy and said, I don't know what to
Speaker 3: do because they want daniel to do these and I
Speaker 3: feel bad because it is it's a day out of
Speaker 3: Danielle's schedule. She's it's usually or we would do it
Speaker 3: on a hiatus week when I'd be back at my
Speaker 3: regular school and I would just want to be at
Speaker 3: my regular school.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm on hiatus, I want to go back.
Speaker 3: And so they said, what if we paid her? What
Speaker 3: if we paid her a very what Eventually I did?
Speaker 5: They said on YouTube, we were also not getting.
Speaker 7: If you were on set, you didn't get I did not.
Speaker 2: That's colt.
Speaker 3: If I was on set, I did not. If I
Speaker 3: was off set, I did, and my mom. So then
Speaker 3: my mom came to me and said, okay, they're going
Speaker 3: to pay you. And I you know, I never saw
Speaker 3: any of my money. My money all went into an account,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, so what does this mean
Speaker 3: to me?
Speaker 2: Not even just who can account?
Speaker 7: My parents?
Speaker 3: Like my mom was like, all right, whatever the interstitial
Speaker 3: money is, I'll let you have it.
Speaker 2: It can be Madli.
Speaker 3: And she would give me like say I'd get paid
Speaker 3: seven seven hundred and fifty bucks or something for the
Speaker 3: day of whatever it was. She just give me seven
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks and I'd go to coffee Bean
Speaker 3: and I'd get.
Speaker 2: To go in all yeah, and I was like, this
Speaker 2: is amazing. This is more money than teenage Danielle had
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 7: And so it was awesome.
Speaker 3: It did.
Speaker 2: It ended up making it for me my coffee be fun.
Speaker 7: Yeah, great story, that's great story. That is that is awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I don't you know, I know they tried the
Speaker 7: best always to make sure no offense. Guys. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm sure if you'd come off set and done something,
Speaker 7: it would have gotten you would have gotten paid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I also made fifty percent less than every other cast
Speaker 3: member on the show. Actually, yeah, so the fact that
Speaker 3: I got paid a little seven hundred and fifty or
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars here and there is Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was just a little thing. So you mentioned preview specials.
Speaker 3: We are actually about ready to do a recap soon.
Speaker 3: But did you do the Boy Meets World Saturday Morning cartoons.
Speaker 2: Preview or yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we did. Yeah, those were us the we
Speaker 7: all that kind of fun post work. And I know
Speaker 7: you were paid on those. Yeah, yeah, but you had
Speaker 7: to be because that came through my company actually, but yeah,
Speaker 7: we were. When TJF became a hit, Jenny Treis, who
Speaker 7: was president at the time of Children's called and wanted
Speaker 7: us to do a lot of interaction and try to
Speaker 7: pull a cast because the Gauge group was just a
Speaker 7: little younger at Saturday Morning than it was what we
Speaker 7: were getting on Fridays. So we were we asked to
Speaker 7: get involved with all those and come up with things,
Speaker 7: ways to promote new Saturday Morning things, stuff like that.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so wait, can I ask a question then,
Speaker 8: and maybe you know this, Why did TGIF end?
Speaker 4: Was it just ratings? I mean, why did it go away?
Speaker 7: Good question? And you know, for me, I had done
Speaker 7: some things where I again it had gotten a pretty
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know. They again new powers come
Speaker 7: in and they want a fresh look and I remember
Speaker 7: that they and no offense to them because you know,
Speaker 7: they got new marketing execs in that took over when
Speaker 7: Mark Zachran left. I think Bob Iger had moved on
Speaker 7: to his new powers, and they hire an agency, Chaia Day,
Speaker 7: which was the hip agency. Again, this was the fomo
Speaker 7: things at the time, and shayat Day got really deeply
Speaker 7: involved in things and changed everything to Yellow and Black,
Speaker 7: and it was kind of an interesting turn of events.
Speaker 3: Promotions on your Couch, Your Friends, the couch your Friend, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's good for you, you know.
Speaker 4: Couch potatoes, the world, all that stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly exactly. And so they were edgy and different
Speaker 7: and all that stuff. But they came in and made
Speaker 7: a lot of dramatic changes on the programming side too,
Speaker 7: and suggestions there. And I don't know if it helped
Speaker 7: or hurt at all. I mean, it's kind of hard
Speaker 7: to how to track. But part of the deal was,
Speaker 7: you know, I think they had gone, oh, we're kind
Speaker 7: of tired of this, and you know, maybe we should
Speaker 7: try something different. And I think we were twelve years
Speaker 7: in and I was getting offers to do some other
Speaker 7: things too, and I was just like, you know, I again,
Speaker 7: it wasn't while I loved every bit of it, we
Speaker 7: weren't making huge money on it either, yeah, and so
Speaker 7: we were kind of like, Okay, maybe we should start
Speaker 7: moving a little more into programming. And so they turned
Speaker 7: it over to some other folks in house at ABC,
Speaker 7: and I think they kind of died there because they
Speaker 7: just did not because they didn't do a good job.
Speaker 7: But it just wasn't you know, it wasn't the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you started there at twenty three.
Speaker 3: How old were you when you eventually left ABC.
Speaker 7: I left ABC pretty early on and started my own company.
Speaker 7: So that's an interesting story too. So I when TGIF
Speaker 7: was starting to hit big, I happened to my mom
Speaker 7: had gotten very sick with Parkinson's and so my mom
Speaker 7: and dad were back in Colorado, and I was kind
Speaker 7: of like, and at the time, I was dating a
Speaker 7: young lady who also was from Colorado who was not loving.
Speaker 7: She worked for Columbia Pictures, for the president of Columbia Pictures,
Speaker 7: and was not having fun.
Speaker 1: So glad you said that the way you said it
Speaker 1: was like I was dating a young woman who was
Speaker 1: not loving.
Speaker 9: I was like, oh God, she wasn't loving her job,
Speaker 9: she wasn't loving, wasn't loving her job, and and so
Speaker 9: and we all were kind of you know, going to
Speaker 9: la Is is tough, and so with the sickness of
Speaker 9: my mom, I kind of started to push and go,
Speaker 9: I really should be back there with them, And I
Speaker 9: went to Bob Iger, I went to Mark Zachron and
Speaker 9: Stub Brower, my boss, and said, I you know, I
Speaker 9: think I'm going to have to leave because of this
Speaker 9: is going on.
Speaker 7: And they marched me into Bob Iger's office and I
Speaker 7: was like, oh crap, I'm going to get it. And basically,
Speaker 7: you know, we talked about a couple of different things,
Speaker 7: and this is how great those people are. Bob looked
Speaker 7: at me and said, rather than do that, why don't
Speaker 7: you start your own company and we will, you know,
Speaker 7: put you under a contract. And that's what they did.
Speaker 7: And it went on for for almost twenty years. So
Speaker 7: it's they were They were great, and so you know,
Speaker 7: I owe a lot to them for being you know,
Speaker 7: respectful and kind on that part. So I did go
Speaker 7: back to Colorado and flew out almost every week or
Speaker 7: you know, the shoots and stuff like that, and then
Speaker 7: did my edit and worked back in Colorado because there
Speaker 7: were a number of sizeable posthouses there and could do that.
Speaker 7: So it ultimately all worked out. And then and now
Speaker 7: I'm back in La with my wife, a different, different
Speaker 7: girl that lay He's awesome and she she we moved
Speaker 7: to Sant Clementy and so we have a place in
Speaker 7: Colorado and in San Clementy and we just live in
Speaker 7: a good life.
Speaker 2: So I love that. Good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cable reactions when you tell them that you created
Speaker 3: the tgif block do, people must like lose their minds
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 7: I don't tell them, you don't, I don't sit.
Speaker 5: I've got to brag more.
Speaker 7: I don't brag. I don't. I don't tell them unless
Speaker 7: they ask or look me up. And so I'm not
Speaker 7: a I'm kind of shy about that and not. You know,
Speaker 7: it was a product of a lot of people. It
Speaker 7: took a lot of collaboration, including you guys to make
Speaker 7: it all happen, people to agree, you know, to pull
Speaker 7: some strings and be willing to give some of their
Speaker 7: time to make it go. So it was a wonderful
Speaker 7: what would I call it, a wonderful circum you know,
Speaker 7: or unique come together of events that just turned into
Speaker 7: something incredible. And I was very blessed to be part
Speaker 7: of it. So it was neat. I kind of wish
Speaker 7: I had leveraged it a little more down the road,
Speaker 7: but I you know, I didn't. I just kept going
Speaker 7: with what came my way and you know, promoted. I
Speaker 7: didn't use it enough to get meetings.
Speaker 2: Probably would like to meet with you, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: I never used that and I I so I never
Speaker 7: you know, but I did get to go work for
Speaker 7: NBC some and Vince and Tom and you know, do
Speaker 7: different things for a number of people. Helped launch Hallmark
Speaker 7: and all kinds of fun.
Speaker 2: And that was all Jenask Media. That's your media company, right.
Speaker 7: Janask Entertainment and Jens Entertainment or Janasach Media. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I got to work with a lot of great folks.
Speaker 7: I mean, we you know, one thing would lead to another.
Speaker 7: When I was back in Colorado, I met the founder
Speaker 7: of Stars who has become a good friend in his family,
Speaker 7: and we helped launch Stars, and then that led to Hallmark,
Speaker 7: you know, and Hallmark was launching and I met Margaret
Speaker 7: Lesh and Lenn Marino and helped do that and just
Speaker 7: one thing goes to another, you know, the Baby Einstein stuff.
Speaker 7: It's like, you just kind of that was weird how
Speaker 7: that one happened. It's just they had heard that I
Speaker 7: had twins, and my twins were like, you're like eighteen
Speaker 7: months old. They had Jenny Trias had had me introduced
Speaker 7: to the people who were doing DVDs at the time
Speaker 7: at ABC, and ABC was competing, you know, to get
Speaker 7: DVDs out there that was the big market at the time,
Speaker 7: and they asked me to come in and try to
Speaker 7: develop something to knock off this brand that was was
Speaker 7: being a pain in their butt on the shelves. They
Speaker 7: couldn't compete with the shelf space. And they showed it
Speaker 7: to me and it was Baby Einstein and they were like,
Speaker 7: this is really doing well and we need to figure
Speaker 7: out why. And so I looked at it, and this
Speaker 7: was before I had kids, and I was like, oh
Speaker 7: my god, what is that? And I couldn't understand it,
Speaker 7: couldn't get it. And then a year and a half
Speaker 7: went by they didn't do anything with what we had proposed,
Speaker 7: and I got a call from the head of Home
Speaker 7: Entertainment and she said, hey, I want you to I
Speaker 7: heard you had twins and you know, having dark circles
Speaker 7: under my eye and yeah, I heard you had twins,
Speaker 7: and hey, congratulations. And by the way, that brand that
Speaker 7: we were talking to you about, we just bought it
Speaker 7: and would you come in and look at that and
Speaker 7: see what did it? And so I met with the
Speaker 7: original creators, who were genius in their effort. And you know,
Speaker 7: Julie Clark and her husband had generally had basically taken
Speaker 7: it from their heart and their envisioned you know, ideas
Speaker 7: and created this thing that became crack for babies. And
Speaker 7: you know, then they and they showed me how to
Speaker 7: you know what it was about. There's there's a lot
Speaker 7: in timing and there's probably more brain damage in one
Speaker 7: of those shows than what you would ever think of
Speaker 7: going into other things because of timing and heartbeat tracking
Speaker 7: and all this other stuff that we would do. And
Speaker 7: but and then so my job was to take it
Speaker 7: to the next level, add bigger puppet shows do things
Speaker 7: which I love puppets because I was working with the
Speaker 7: muppets and all those things, so you know, I'll fit.
Speaker 7: So I worked. It was fun. Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, Jim, you are going to see in the comments
Speaker 3: when we post this on social media, but there are
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of people who are going
Speaker 3: to thank you for your work and for your ideas.
Speaker 3: It was really great and gracious of you to come
Speaker 3: and spend a little bit of time with us talking
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: You know, working with you doing those promos. It's such
Speaker 2: like when we've.
Speaker 3: Talked since starting the podcast about the things we remember
Speaker 3: the most, it's actually not the stuff that's the shooting
Speaker 3: of the show necessarily, it's all it's us, us.
Speaker 2: In the school room and also us doing the promos.
Speaker 3: I have so many memories of TGIF promos and of
Speaker 3: us saying you know from they were. They were fun,
Speaker 3: even if it was we're going to cram this in.
Speaker 3: We know your go, go go, you gotta get in.
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving, you guys.
Speaker 7: Did fantastic and you always nailed it in one or
Speaker 7: two takes. It was you were always just amazing and
Speaker 7: so and it's so cool to see you guys. I
Speaker 7: just and I love that you remember me. I they
Speaker 7: probably don't, you guys.
Speaker 3: The minute I saw your picture, it was like the name.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I know that name. And then
Speaker 3: the minute I saw your picture, I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh.
Speaker 7: Of course I remember him, remember him and Danielle. Just
Speaker 7: quickly I saw you're directing something coming up right? Are
Speaker 7: you something right now doing? Remind me what it was.
Speaker 2: I just saw a year fifteen years for ABC.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, awesome for you, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: It was a really wonderful experience. You know, hoping they
Speaker 3: had ten in their first season. I'm really hoping we
Speaker 3: get words soon that they'll be getting a season two
Speaker 3: and hopefully a full order, and when that happens, I'm
Speaker 3: hoping I'll be back.
Speaker 7: That's awesome. It's Tim Allen show, right, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 7: worked with him once. Filming with Tim Allen was always fun.
Speaker 7: He was he was crazy, so we had it. We
Speaker 7: did a promo with him getting abducted but by a
Speaker 7: UFO and then brought back because they didn't want itsious.
Speaker 2: That's great, So that's funny.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell Jonathan it was so nice talking with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here with absolutely.
Speaker 7: I hope we'll see you in person some days. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I love watching your careers blossom. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 7: you guys have done amazing things.
Speaker 2: And lets me do you too, concert going.
Speaker 4: Up there?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, let's go.
Speaker 7: To the sphere they were Yeah right, that's cool. I
Speaker 7: haven't done that yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: Too. By he was there, I mean he was there
Speaker 1: for like, first of all, hearing that all of ABC
Speaker 1: is like eight hundred people, because you thought it was
Speaker 1: thousands on thousands of this army of people that so
Speaker 1: to realize it was actually kind of small and spread
Speaker 1: out throughout the country and there's meetings with just twenty people.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Help help Bob Iger, saying to him, don't quit, Yeah,
Speaker 3: start a company, company and let us hire you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think there's has been as successful as see.
Speaker 4: Yes, let's get him on the show. I think I
Speaker 4: bet you Bob will come on the show.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I would love to have Bob on the show.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine? Oh, Man, that'd be great.
Speaker 3: But also, like Jim Janisek gave so and he should,
Speaker 3: he gave so much credit to Bob, and he to
Speaker 3: all of ABC, but like cam ABC for ten years
Speaker 3: because of that twenty three year old kid they hired, Yeah,
Speaker 3: owned a night of television.
Speaker 2: Yeah for a decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was there, Musty TV. It was
Speaker 1: there Thursday that Friday was. I remember moving out to
Speaker 1: to when I moved out to La with Spencer, who
Speaker 1: worked at Fox the time, and Fox was just up
Speaker 1: and coming. He said to me they had a meeting
Speaker 1: where they said, oh, we don't even worry about planning
Speaker 1: Friday nights. ABC owns Friday Night just like you just
Speaker 1: never get it, he said, we did. We're not even
Speaker 1: gonna bother and so I just yeah, it was a juggernaut.
Speaker 5: It was amazing.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking billions of dollars in revenue yep
Speaker 3: for ABC because because that twenty three year old kid.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know what my family used to do.
Speaker 2: We used to sit around and watch TV as a family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm pitching to ABC doing a TGIF night.
Speaker 1: We do one Friday night where all the casts get
Speaker 1: back together and do like a scene from one.
Speaker 4: Of their shows now at the age we are now, and.
Speaker 1: We just do a brand new boy meets World scene,
Speaker 1: a brand new full house scene, a brand new family
Speaker 1: matter scene. You get the perfect strangers.
Speaker 4: Guys back together. It'd be a whole night. It'd be
Speaker 4: just one a ton of fun.
Speaker 5: What kind of weird issues does that involve?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 5: Like with who knows? Of the shows?
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 5: Can you get the rights to like play the characters
Speaker 5: in a different meme?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean ABC has done this thing now where they're
Speaker 4: doing live.
Speaker 1: Episodes of like all the old shows with brand new
Speaker 1: casts like All in the Family and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, So they're thinking outside the box.
Speaker 4: Maybe who knows?
Speaker 2: Pretty great?
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