1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have Jenner Jennifer 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Say Back with me today. She is an author of filmmaker, 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: a business executive, a former national gymnast, and during her 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: career she went from being a seven time member of 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: our US women's national gymnastics team to the brand president 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: of Lebe Strauss, and now she has forged a new 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: path as the founder of do we call it x 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: xx y Athletics? Okay? And I love it. I just 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: I've not talked to you since I actually received some 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: of the shirts, and I just wanted to say to you, awesome, 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: awesome material but so stylish. And the girls stealed them 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: from me. So I have four daughters, as you know, 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: they steal them because they were like, they came and 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: they lifted. There's like one of them that's a green 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: shirt that's sleeveless and has like kind of a twist 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: in the front. 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Super cute, so so cute. 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: So I just want to say I love your brand. 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: I absolutely realize. That makes me really happy. Look, you know, 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: you alluded to the fact that I was I was 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: there for twenty three years. 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: I know a thing or two about making great product. 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: That brand makes great product, and they make it ethically 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: and we do the same. That's very important to me 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: that it is ethically made. And I just want folks 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: to be able to buy brands that align with their values, 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: that a brand that actually will stand up for female athletes. 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: But people shouldn't have to sacrifice fit, quality and style 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: to do that and performance because that shirt you described 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: is a very high quality performance fabric, meaning it's moisture wigging. 31 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: It's perfect for working out, but it kind of looks 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: cute for hanging out too. Anyway, Totally, you shouldn't have 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: to sacrifice quality in any way, or fit or style 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: or any of it to buy a brand that aligns 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: with your value. 36 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: So that's my goal, and I think that when you 37 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: hear someone started a new brand, honestly, there is this 38 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: moment of like, mm, are the kinks worked out? Do 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: they know what they're And no, I mean no offense too, 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: but you have that moment where you're like, does this 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: person really know what it means to do this? 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 43 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I was so impressed. I just I have to say, 44 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed with what you've done and what a 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: great cause to get behind, especially now I feel like 46 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, everybody in the country was like, yeah, 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: we're on board, we want to protect women. 48 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: They are. I guess I don't mean to be like 49 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: a Debbie Downer out here. I keep saying this, but like, yes, 50 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: people are on board. But until every single person that 51 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: agrees with us with this common sense position that girls 52 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: deserve safety, privacy, and fairness, we deserve our own sports 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: and spaces, until every person feels they can say that 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: without fear of backlash, repercussion cancelation, then we aren't done. 55 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: And look at what is happening out there. I mean 56 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: Congressman Seth Moulton just a few days he's Democrat, right, 57 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: I think from Massachusetts, a couple days after the election, 58 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: and it's sort of generally accepted at this point that 59 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it was the single issue 60 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: that won the election, but this issue and the Democrats 61 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: obsession with having men and women's sports was a real 62 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: loser for them. So Congressman Moulton just a couple days 63 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: after stands up and he says, I don't want my girls. 64 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: I think he has four daughters also, I don't or 65 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: maybe two, I don't know. He doesn't want his girls 66 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: getting run over on the playing field. That's a common 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: sense position. Well, the backlash has been swift. His staff 68 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: quit or a good number of people on his staff quit. 69 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: There are calls for his resignation. The left wing media 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: has come for him. There were protests outside of his 71 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: office all last weekend like this, this is not done. 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: But he even said he was like, and this is 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: something that it's not comfortable saying this on my side 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: of the aisle, and that shouldn't be the case. And 75 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: I think, as like I just said, I have four daughters, 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: and as a mom of girls, I feel like, why 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: are there more men? Where are the men who are 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: going to stand up and say okay, enough is enough? 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: And so before we got on, I was saying, you know, 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: we can bring up and we can talk about what's 81 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: going on in Congress right now with Nancy Mason, and 82 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: it seems like it's blown up and gotten out of control. 83 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: But you make a really great point. You kind of 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: reined me in on this, and I appreciate that because 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: you're like, look, when do we stop fighting? And if 86 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: i'm if I'm there and I'm in the locker room 87 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: and I have to get undressed, heck, yeah, I want 88 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: to be with women. I want to know I'm safe. 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: Well, And the sort of thing that threads through all 90 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: of this is ladies, shut up and take it. Yeah, 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: need to be quiet if you want to be a 92 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: good person. And you know, you think about Riley Gaines 93 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: was told by her university and the NCAAA, you don't 94 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: want to do this. If you do this, you'll never 95 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: get another job. By do this, I mean standing up 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: for women's rights and Title nine. Well, obviously that hasn't 97 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: been the case for Riley. She's a hugely influential voice. 98 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: But Paula Scanlin, a member that you penting swam with 99 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: Will Thomas on her team, was told by the university 100 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: when she said she was uncomfortable, do not do this. 101 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: You will never get a job. I mean she's a senior, 102 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: she's a young woman. She doesn't know. It's very scary. 103 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: And she held her tongue for quite a while until 104 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: she graduated, until she just couldn't anymore. And so you know, 105 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: throughout this is just this like total misogyny, honestly, like 106 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: why can't yet Nancy may say this makes me uncomfortable, 107 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 2: Why does that make her a big Why do women 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: have to sit down and be quiet and take it 109 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: entertains to the bathrooms at the capitol. You know, you 110 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: and I were talking about this briefly before. I'm most 111 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: certain ten years ago there was a very small number 112 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: of trans identified individuals presenting as women that were coming 113 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: into women's bathrooms and no one noticed, no one cared. 114 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: But their side has taken it so far. Now they 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: insist that any band with a beard who's obviously creepy 116 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: and you know, just creepy and not there to go 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: to the bathroom. If he says he's a woman, he 118 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: can come in. He can come into the bathroom, the 119 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: locker room in the prison, and we have to take 120 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: it or we're bad people. Well, you know what, now 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: we're going to draw a line. 122 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: We all And there is concern I think about when 123 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: you when you see that there are some of these folks. Historically, 124 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: the I guess it was like the cross dressing group 125 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: of men, and they wouldn't have been identified as trans. 126 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: I think there's a difference between grants a cross dressing, 127 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: but the cross dressing group it's it's it is a 128 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: sexual fetish. They'd cross dressed because they get off on 129 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: cross dressing, and that is the concern. Is this a 130 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: trans person, Is this a cross dressing person? Is this 131 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: person getting off by going into the women's restroom because 132 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: we've seen that, we've seen those posts, and now we're scared. 133 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: And you made a great point to me. You were like, look, 134 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: it's one thing if you are truly saying I'm now 135 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: a woman and I'm going in there to use a 136 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: woman's space, and most and we may not have known, 137 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: but because these people have come out so hard, that 138 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: have said they want to endanger women, that have said 139 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: they get off on this stuff, now we're in a 140 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: position where we do have to fight back because we 141 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: don't know who's who. 142 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: Well, and you know what, we did give an inch. 143 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: We used their language. Maybe you didn't. I did. For 144 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: a time, you know, I was willing to use their language. 145 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: I was. I mean, I never really did the pronouns, 146 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: but you know, I was willing to sort of be polite. 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, Tudor, if we 148 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: grant them, they're framing of this issue. If we grant 149 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: them this idea that trans women are women, the trans 150 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 2: women are just as much biological women as actual women 151 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: like you and I then we lose because once you 152 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: say that if a trans woman is a woman, how 153 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: do you not let that person into your sports and spaces? 154 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: And so I think maybe some of us in the 155 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: beginning screwed up a little and out of a sense 156 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: of politeness and kindness, which I think we all have 157 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: or try to women, especially, we gave a little too 158 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: much and then the line kept moving and now we're 159 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: holding the line and we're right. 160 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: I think nomen by nature, you have that maternal instinct 161 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: to care for someone, and so there is there is 162 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: this opportunity to trample on us. From that standpoint, I 163 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: think that is how this started out, where women are 164 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: like you know these especially children, And that's the frustrating 165 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: part about this is that when you have a child 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: in your child's sport, gosh, you never want to go 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: after another kid, you know, and I wouldn't want another 168 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: parent to do that to my child. And that's where 169 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's why there should be rules in 170 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: place so that it's not that you're going after a 171 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: child and saying you don't belong in this sport, because 172 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: there's a reality to it, there is biology there. It 173 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: is not safe and that's the frustrating situation that conservatives 174 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: have been in. And yet I think that after really gosh, 175 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I remember this really becoming a big issue with the 176 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: track runners out of Connecticut, and I feel like that 177 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: was in maybe twenty nineteen. 178 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: It was, and yeah, it was twenty or maybe it 179 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: was twenty twenty one that the case. It might have 180 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: happened in nineteen, but the case came forward in twenty 181 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: one and kind of went the wrong direction, but there 182 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: was just a new decision made. I'm going to get 183 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: all the legal terminology wrong, but basically the judge who 184 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: originally batted it back down has now agreed that it 185 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: can go forward because the conversation has changed, the dialogue 186 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: is changing on it. But again I would say, let's 187 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: not get. 188 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: Complacent, no, And I think the dialogue has changed because 189 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: suddenly we've seen girls losing out, losing out physically, losing 190 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: out financially, and losing just losing in their sport, and 191 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: the devastation of having put your life into something and 192 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: then getting into high school and having someone rob you 193 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: of of that scholarship, of that place in your sport. 194 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean that obviously we've discussed this, we know that 195 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: that is a horrifying situation. But I love having you 196 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: on because it reminds me you can't stop. You can't stop, 197 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: you cannot stop. 198 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: Look think of it this way. The left doesn't stop. 199 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: And you know the partnership between nonprofits or advocacy organizations 200 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: on the left. You know, take HRC Human Rights Campaign, 201 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: the partnership between those in corporate America, which allows HRC 202 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: to kind of further and smuggle their ideas into the 203 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: culture through advertising of great brands, through product of great brands. 204 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: I mean, that's how you get things like the bud 205 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: l light situation, the target situation. Clearly there's been backlash there, 206 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: but it's not accidental. HRC has been sort of pushing 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: these ideas into corporate America, which allows them to get 208 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: them out there with huge app budgets, et cetera, and 209 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's cool to say biology is bigoted. Well, 210 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: we have to. And they don't stop when they get 211 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: a win, they don't stop. They keep pushing forward. 212 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's true, We've seen so much. 213 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: Sorry behind I'm going to say Pride month. You Once 214 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: gay marriage became the law of the land, pride didn't 215 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: stop it got. 216 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: Bigger, right, and that is that to me, that's the 217 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: one thing that I think has been another one where 218 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: we can't stop on that when it comes to the 219 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: extreme nudity, the sexual content, the sexual things that are 220 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: happening publicly, you know, if it breaks the law, breaks 221 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: the law, and you can't allow that. 222 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: Look, I've been to a million Pride parade. I lived 223 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: in San Francisco for over thirty years. I've been probably 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: in the last twenty years, more gay weddings then straight. 225 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: Once Pride took a turn at some point and it 226 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: became it used to be just sort of like floats, 227 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: you know, with like people dancing, and then it became 228 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: very much almost like the Fulsome Street fair, which if 229 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: you don't know what that is, it's a San Francisco 230 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 2: leather fair. I mean it's like a bondage fair, which 231 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: I stumbled into accidentally once as a young present. It 232 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: was terrifying. Yeah, I was like, oh my goodness, I've 233 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: ever coming back here. And I was very open, but 234 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: I was like, this is too much for me. But 235 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: the Pride parade has kind of turned into that it 236 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: is overtly sexual and not just well it's just overtly 237 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: sexual with tons of nudity, and it's I don't it's 238 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: oh gosh. I could talk all day about kind of 239 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: why this is happening. I think it's sort of related 240 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: to this idea furthered within the PSITE community that like, 241 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: shame is really bad and we need to kind of 242 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: do away with all shame, and the only way to 243 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: do away with shame is to expose everything to the sunlight. 244 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: I mean, there were billboards during COVID that ran in 245 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: San Francisco that said, don't be ashamed of your IVY 246 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: drug use, drug use used publicly, It's safer and you 247 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: shouldn't be ashamed. Wow, well I got I got news 248 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: for you. I have friends who suffer from addiction and 249 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: what saved them was bottoming out and the shame from 250 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: that that is what's them to pull themselves up to say, 251 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: this is not the person I am, and this is 252 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: not the person I want to be. And there are 253 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: some activities that maybe you don't need to be ashamed 254 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: of in the company of your partner or adults, but 255 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean children have to see it. It's crazy. 256 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: That's not a celebration of love, which when I was 257 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, in my twenties, the pride 258 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: parades were a celebration of love, and it's like, hey, 259 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: be open to love and love regardless of you know, 260 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: what your whether it's family or whatever. It was about love. 261 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: You know, this was not about this was not about 262 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: illicit sex. That's I guess that's the difference. And it 263 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: was about like a kind of a you know, there 264 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: was a win with gay marriage, and people felt like, Okay, 265 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: now we can have When I was growing up, I'll 266 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: just say my grandmother lived next to a gay couple 267 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: went in Arizona, and my it was funny because my 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: grandmother had been this lifelong, super strong Christian conservative and 269 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't really her jam right right then. And then 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: she became friends, really good friends with them. She was 271 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: also very into performing, so she was a dancer, and 272 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: so they had this like great connection right the minute 273 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: they moved in. She was like, I love those guys. 274 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: But that was back when you couldn't get married. And 275 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: so one of them got sick. There was no way 276 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: for the other one to financially give everything over, like 277 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: all of the pension and all that wasn't going to 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: go to the partner, and so suddenly he was in 279 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: this financial catastrophe when he lost his partner. And I 280 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: remember my grandmother being like, this can't happen. And it 281 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: was such a shocking difference for her, you know, because 282 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: that wasn't, of course her Christian faith, but her love 283 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: for someone out then her love for her friends was bigger. 284 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Understood the importance of making sure that he was financially secure. 285 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: And I felt like that was kind of what I 286 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: saw in those Pride parades. It was like, Wow, people 287 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: understanding people and that loved and it's changed. 288 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I think to come back to the 289 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: bathroom thing, and I think there are segments of the 290 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: LGBTQ population that want to divorce themselves from the T 291 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: and the Q at this point because all, you know, 292 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: all of the people fighting for gay rides, all that 293 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: they wanted was the opportunity to just live their lives 294 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: like regular people, but love who they love. They didn't 295 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: necessarily want to parade that around in front of people 296 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: their sex lives. They just want to be able to 297 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: get jobs. You know, if a loved one their partner 298 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: was sick in the hospital, be able to visit that partner, 299 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: right and then the situation like what you just described, 300 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: and so I think they're a little bit horrified anyway, 301 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: to come back through to the bathroom that I know 302 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: this has been a bit of my kind of evolution. 303 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: Is now I just feel like, Okay, if you're going 304 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: to be so crazy about it, I'm just going to 305 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: draw a hard line. That's the way it's going to be. 306 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: Like I didn't care before, but now I care because 307 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: you're telling me I have to allow a boy on 308 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: my daughter's soccer team. You're telling me that, I mean, 309 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: my daughter's young, but when she gets into high school, 310 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: she has to be fine with a male being in 311 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: her locker room. And I'm just not. I'm not. So 312 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to be I'm not going to use the 313 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: B word, but I'm going to be a bit tougher 314 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: about it, and I'm going to say no to all 315 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: of it. Oh and by the way, at the Capitol, 316 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: you have a private restroom in your office. There are 317 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: private restrooms throughout like just stop. 318 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: Right, just sight and so I think that is that's 319 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: where we're going to have this battle over the next 320 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: four years. And I really am I'm interested to see 321 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: where the country goes let's take a quick commercial break. 322 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: We'll contin you next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Something 323 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: else you brought up, because you brought up the lack 324 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: of getting rid of shame and the drug use and 325 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: all of that. And I think a lot of the 326 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: problems that we're seeing in the country right now are 327 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: also health related, and a lot of that drug addiction 328 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: has come from medicalization in them pushing drugs. And I 329 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: see this so much even with kids, and the push 330 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: for immediately the minute you have an issue, let's get 331 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: them on riddlin, let's get them on atall. Let's get 332 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: them addicted to something. And they'll say it's not addictive, 333 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: but it is addictive. And yeah, the goal of the 334 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry is to get everyone on a drug lifelong page. 335 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And how this has become something 336 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: the left is opposed to, it's so crazy to me. 337 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: I was on the left for a very long time 338 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: most of my life because I thought they cared about kids, 339 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: the vulnerable. They were kind of skeptical of greedy corporate 340 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: interest or anti war like all these things that are 341 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: the reason I was on the left. Are they're doing 342 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: the opposite. Now they're so deranged by opposing Donald Trump 343 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: that they will take the side of chemicals in our 344 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: food to oppose RFK, the new head of HHS, like, 345 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: they will literally go against their own beliefs and interest 346 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: because they are about party, not principle. Who is opposed 347 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: to getting chemicals out of the food? 348 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: I know it's and how do you hear it and 349 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: then not be shocked and not want to change that? 350 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: Because I think I think this election cycle has been 351 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: the most educational for us because a lot of us 352 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: have dealt with this. You know, why is my kid 353 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: medically different than I was? You know, why are my 354 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: kids struggling with weight gain? Why are my kids struggling 355 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: with concentration? And one of the people in my family 356 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: had a child that had ticks, severe ticks. Cut out 357 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: all the food dies, no tics, We're being poisoned. 358 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, this used to be sort of like 359 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: the hippie. 360 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: View on the rights right. 361 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: It's true, it was. It was the hippie view, and 362 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: you had all the natural grocery stores. You know. One 363 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: of the things that was shocking to me during COVID, 364 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: which is how some people kind of came to know 365 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: me because I was opposed of all to all the 366 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: lockdowns and you know, forest closures and vaccination and stuff. 367 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: I believe the most vaccinated county in America with children 368 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: is Marin County, which used to be Hippie central. It 369 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: used to be anti vaccentral because it was the hippies 370 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: that were the anti vaxers. But it really has become 371 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: the right now that is skeptical of big business, big pharma, 372 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: forced anything. It's crazy. I mean, there has just been 373 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: this like insane realignment. But I mean everybody remembers that, right, 374 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: it was the hippies that were the anti. 375 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: Vaxxers, right absolutely. 376 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: Now it's a much larger contingent that leans further right 377 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: out of skeptic. Well definitely COVID drove a lot of it, 378 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: but skepticism of big farm, a, big business, et cetera. 379 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: The raw milk thing that's coming from the right lie 380 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean for me. 381 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: But it's kind of interesting when you see how these 382 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: things impacted this election. The raw milk going after the 383 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: Amish and taking all of their supply, their whole supply 384 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: and dumping it. And the squirrel that was killed. I mean, 385 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: all these weird things that added up and you're like, oh, 386 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: big government actually sucks, you know, I don't want big government. 387 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: And then but I think RFK is one of the 388 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: most interesting ones because I do think that that partnership 389 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: changed this election. And I find it fascinating because that 390 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: party that you're talking about, the Democrat Party that was 391 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: the party of really really was the party of hippies. 392 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: They told RFK, you're too radical, we don't want you 393 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: because you're concerned about health. And they are still freaking 394 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: out about him being in charge of HHS. 395 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: They are freaking out about him. Most of the hip pieces, 396 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, despite all the other appointments, at this point, 397 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: most of the or nominations, I should say, they are 398 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: gunning for RFK. He was a huge part. I mean, 399 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: there are definitely people in my own family who lifelong 400 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: Democrats just like me, who were very much in favor 401 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 2: of RFK for a host of reasons. His work for 402 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: years to clean up water, protect children from toxins, his 403 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: skepticism of big business, you know, for me personally, his 404 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: stance around free speech in the last however many years 405 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: and during COVID and coming out of COVID has been 406 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: huge as well. That was a huge one I think 407 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: for independence and kind of independent minded Democrats, but I 408 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: would actually put Tolci Geibert in the mix as well, 409 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: former Democrat kind of the piece Nick in the mix 410 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 2: warning everybody about endless wars and how dangerous that is. 411 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: And this is someone who has real credibility, right, I mean, 412 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: she's fought wars and she's saying we need to be 413 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: very careful here. So I think that team has been 414 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: kind of amazing and definitely was part of helping to 415 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: win the election. And they're coming for her too, right, 416 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 2: They're saying they're back with this whole Russian asset thing. 417 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: It's like, and people do believe it. There are people 418 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: in my own family and my circle who will believe 419 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: every crazy, ridiculous line of lies that the New York 420 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: Times and CNN's views about these two. And will you know, 421 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: despite all evidence, despite all rational logical thoughts, it makes 422 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: perfect sense to get chemicals out of our food to 423 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: protect our children. It makes perfect sense to demedicalize. I mean, 424 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: we are our children are the most medicalized generation ever 425 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: and the most unhappy. I don't really need any more 426 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: information than that to know that it's not working. And 427 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: then from the perspective of Tulsi. You know, we cannot 428 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: send our children to fight these endless wars. This is 429 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: not right. We need to be very mindful of that. 430 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the two that made a huge 431 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: difference in the election. I mean I had already made 432 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: my decision as a former Lefty for a host of reasons, 433 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: COVID and COVID being a major one, the insanity around 434 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: gender ideology. But I know for many many people in 435 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: my circle lefties, the RFK thing was very meaningful. 436 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I I just look at what has 437 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: happened with Big Pharma, and like you said, every kid, 438 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: they're just trying to put every kid on on some 439 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: sort of medication. And I've experienced it in my own life. 440 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: Had a child that struggled with anxiety. It was immediate, 441 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: and the medical. 442 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: System I that was immediate. 443 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And the medical system is so powerful. They 444 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: call and they call and they're like, no, no, no, 445 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,239 Speaker 1: you have to have this appointment you have And I 446 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: was like, we're not doing you do you don't even 447 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: have to And I finally had to say, I'm blocking 448 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the number. Stop calling me. I'm blocking the number, not 449 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: of my pediatrician. But of the recommended psychiatrists that they had, 450 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: and because they were calling me every day every day. 451 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: You have to commit committed on meds. Yes, And if 452 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: you think about that, if you aren't, if you weren't 453 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: knowledgeable about what these medications do. You're looking for an 454 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: answer for your child, very vulnerable, very vulnerable. 455 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: You trust your pediatrician, You trust them. I mean, I 456 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: don't trust the medical but you used to. I used 457 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: to us to look. I had a similar experience. One 458 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: of my four children had pretty extreme anxiety as a 459 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: very young person. You know, I'm talking six seven years old, 460 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: pretty severe anxiety attacks. This is you know. I was 461 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: really nervous and worried, and at the time I was married, 462 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, to my first husband, and we decided we 463 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: didn't want him on that pathway and that he would 464 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: get a label and he would inevitably get you know, 465 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: prescribe meds and we would sort of manage it ourselves. 466 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: And I was very uncertain. You know, I give my 467 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: ex full credit here. He was very intent on this 468 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: being what we were to do, and it yet turned 469 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: out to be the very best decision. He learned to 470 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: know manage it himself. He's very happy. 471 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: But that's the point. You can there are other ways. 472 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: And that's the frustrating situation that we as Americans are 473 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: in right now because we are told there are no 474 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: other ways, whereas many people use natural ways to get 475 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: through different medical conditions. I mean we don't. We're not 476 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: even allowed to talk about it. The fact that in 477 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: the state of Michigan doctors lost their licenses for giving 478 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: people ivermectin during the COVID disaster. I mean, here, you 479 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: are giving a medicine that is approved, it doesn't have 480 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: these side effects. They all said, oh, this is a 481 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: horse medicine. It was ballooney. They lost their license for 482 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: doing what they knew was medically correct. We have doctors, 483 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: I know, doctors that say, I don't like what but 484 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the general medicine is trying to push on people. There 485 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: are we know there are other ways to solve these 486 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: medical health issues, but we're not allowed to use them. 487 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah, I mean medication. Medicalization is the first path 488 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: for every problem at this point. Gender dysphoric, you must 489 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: be a boy. Here's some hormones. You feel a little 490 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: nervous to go to school, Here's some xantics. And the 491 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: problem with this especially those you know sort of psychotropic meds, 492 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: whether it's for depression or anxiety. Is these kids then 493 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: learn no resilience, They learn no ability to manage hardship. 494 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: And you know the irony is, of course, during COVID, 495 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 2: all we heard from uh, you know, the teachers unions 496 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: and Randy Winingarten and the medical folks who were pushing 497 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: lockdowns was kids are resilient. Well, you know what, they 498 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 2: actually aren't because we have not allowed them to build resilience. 499 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: You don't learn to manage anxiety. If you don't face 500 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: anxiety and get through it on your own, you become weaker. 501 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: And so these children, is at any surprise, they are 502 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: the most depressed. We need a cold Turkey generation. We 503 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: need to get them off the drugs, get them outside, 504 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: touch grass, as the kids say, you know, off the screens. 505 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: All of it like what we all did as kids. 506 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm a little older than you, but you probably did 507 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: this as a kid, rode your bike around the neighborhood. 508 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I had total independence. Did you see this 509 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: story from two days ago about the mom in Georgia 510 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: whose son took a walk he was ten. He walked 511 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: less than a mile to the store, and she was 512 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: arrested for ago and now this happened a while ago, 513 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: but now law enforcement has said if she's willing to 514 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: sign this sort of commitment that she will not let 515 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: her child walk around alone, that he will have a 516 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: GPS tracker or something that she cannot serve the jail time. 517 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: And she's refusing to sign. Good for her. I mean, 518 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: my seven year old daughter rides her bike around our neighborhood. 519 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how she goes, like I want these kids. 520 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 2: I want her to feel a sense of freedoms. And 521 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: people say to me all the time, but what if 522 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: she falls, She'll have to get herself. 523 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: Home, just like the rest of us did. And that 524 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: is actually if you read the psych journals and all 525 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: of the research that had been done in years past, 526 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: it shows that kids who are out playing on their 527 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: own that go out and it's like, hey, when it's dark, 528 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: come home. You know, when we grew up, that was 529 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: how it was. They learned to be better leaders, they 530 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: learned to be better team members because they're playing with 531 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: other kids without a parent involved. That's this generation is 532 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: the generation of play dates where mom sits there with 533 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: her friend and watches. 534 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Manages the whole thing. I mean, the other thing I've 535 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 2: really tried to do, and I have kids that are 536 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: wide range of ages from twenty four to seven, is 537 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: if they have an issue in school, if they have 538 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: an issue with the teacher. I've had every one of 539 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: my children come home and complain about a grade. Right, 540 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: I deserved a better grade than that. Okay, go talk 541 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: to the teacher. That's not what happens. You know, mostly 542 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: the parents will go in and wage that war for 543 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: the child. I don't care. If you're in second and 544 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: you're unhappy with your grade, you go in and talk 545 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: to the teacher. Otherwise, how do they learn to do it? 546 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: It's so true. I had so we have this ongoing 547 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: discussion in our household about band, because all my kids 548 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: hate band and they take band and they can quit 549 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: band in middle school. And they decided to stay with 550 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: band this year, mostly because I was like, you're in it, 551 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: you are already signed up, you should do it. Finish yes, 552 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: And then my oldest was like, I you know, I'm 553 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: in my oldest in middle school. She's like, I'm in 554 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: eighth grade. It's really hard. I just want to quit 555 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: band because then I'd have a study hall and she's 556 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: like negotiating all this and I said, then quit band 557 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: and she goes, what then go in and quit? And 558 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: she was like what do you mean? And I'm like, 559 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: you go up to the band teacher and tell him 560 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm leaving your class. And she was like, no, that's 561 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: like the parents do that. And I was like, well, 562 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: your parent doesn't good for you. Yeah, and she I 563 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: was shocked she did it, though. I was like, okay, 564 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: she did. She called my bluff, but she had to 565 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: do it and that she learned. 566 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: I agree, they have to do stuff. I mean I 567 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: read all these articles about, you know, parents intervening in 568 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: college classes for college grades, right. I mean, there's even 569 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: a percentage of parents that will call a young person's 570 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: boss to make like try to appreciate their I feel 571 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: very grateful that's never happened to me. Of all the people, 572 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: thousands of people I've managed over the years, really amazing 573 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: young people, that has never happened. But it does happen. 574 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: I know people that's happened to And these kids are 575 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: just not learning to be independent grown adults. Is it 576 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 2: any wonder they are living in their mother's basement and 577 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: utterly unresilient. 578 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 579 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. Before I was in the political world, 580 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: I worked in manufacturing. So I worked. We had our 581 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: own shop here in Michigan, and it was a steel foundry, 582 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: so it's like really a rough and tumble job. And 583 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: that was from almost like two thousand to about twenty 584 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: thirteen is when we had the foundry. So I think 585 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: in that general it was still like the school of 586 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: hard knocks, like you still just went to work and 587 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: you did it and if you missed, then you got fired, 588 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, and people just understood that. Then I went 589 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: from that to selling tool and die steal to the 590 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: automotive industry. So I went from that to machine shops 591 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: a few years later, and it was shocking the difference. 592 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: They were like, Tutor, you have no idea how bad 593 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: it's become. With kids on the shop floor, I said, 594 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: what do you mean? He said. The one guy said, 595 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened last week. This guy 596 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: kid's machine was down. He's twenty one years old. His 597 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: machine was down, and we had him sweeping the floor. 598 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Because his machine is down, he can't work. His mother 599 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: calls and says, how dare you treat him like this? 600 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: You belittled him. He's not coming back for two days 601 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: because you belittled him mother his mother. 602 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: That's terrible, It's ridiculous. And all of this is not 603 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: to say that there are not situations. I mean, I 604 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: grew up, as you mentioned, an elite gymnast. The training 605 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: environment was brutal and incredibly abusive. And I get you know, 606 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: people saying, now, that's not abusive, that's tough coaching. I 607 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: could describe this environment to you. It was abusive, you know. 608 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: We I was shot up with cortizone every six weeks. 609 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: The doctor came to the gym, no parental consent. I 610 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: was weighing two times a day. It was announced on 611 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: the loudspeaker. I trained on a broken ankle for two years. 612 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: We were humiliated, fat shame bullied. There was sexual abuse 613 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: that was rampant. We were told, yeah, but he's a 614 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: respected coach, just to avoid him, don't, you know, don't 615 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: say anything. He's respected. So that was a situation that 616 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: was incredibly abusive. That was normal standard operating procedure in 617 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: gymnastics throughout the eighties. I would argue into the nineties 618 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: and the twenty tens. I hope it's changing now. I 619 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: am a little skeptical of that. So that isn't to 620 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: say that adults should not intervene when there is real 621 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: abuse happening. You know. I'm not out here saying, yeah, 622 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: it's great that you know gymnasts trained on broken bones 623 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: and are starved and told to lose five pounds by 624 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: any means necessary by Tomorrow's not my view, but I 625 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: don't think it's a fuzzy line. I think there is 626 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: a really bright line between abuse, tough coaching, and just 627 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: stuff kids need to learn to deal with. Yeah, right, 628 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: and stand up for themselves and resolve altercations on the 629 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: playground themselves. Otherwise, we raise young people that are weak, 630 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: They are not resilient, and they are unable to deal 631 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: with the everyday ups and downs and challenges of adult life, 632 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: and that is not good for the country. 633 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: You make such a good point because this, I mean, 634 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: I think we started this conversation by talking about the 635 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: situation in Congress and how you allow people to push 636 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: and we kind of let that happen because of this 637 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: gentle what we want to be accepting, And I think 638 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: that is that's on the big scale, right, But what 639 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: we see on the smaller scale with parents covering for kids, 640 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: for adult children at their jobs and that kind of 641 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: stuff that has really crept into society in a bad, 642 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: bad way. And that's why we have to go back 643 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: to this personal responsibility. Personal responsibility, I believe is a 644 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: bit part of what won this race because people are 645 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: really saying, Okay, you have to step up, you have 646 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: to have a job, you have to contribute, and nothing's free. 647 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: There's no free lunch, and that's going to be hard 648 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: for parents today. I appreciate what you're doing. I think 649 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: your company is amazing. Like I said, I want to 650 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: just reiterate that the clothes are awesome. Tell people where 651 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: they can go to get them because I want them 652 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: to be able to experience it as well. 653 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: Well, you're so sweet. Yeah, they can go to xx 654 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: dash xy athletics dot com. You can also just go 655 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: to thetruthfits dot com. That's our fun little Vanityura. We 656 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: have great sales right now for the holidays. We have 657 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: amazing gifts for the holidays. You know, I tell people 658 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: just don't buy brands that don't know what a woman is. 659 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: We put our money where our mouth. As we are 660 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: standing up and platforming athletes that are willing to stand up. 661 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: We want them to know, not just Riley, but all 662 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: these sort of lesser known young women who are bravely 663 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: standing up and risking their scholarships, risking endorsements, risking friendships 664 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: and community. They all have very difficult stories. We want 665 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 2: them to know that they're not alone when they stand 666 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: up and stand down or speak out about the need 667 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: for fairness and equality in women's sports. 668 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: So I really think people should think about this because 669 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: it is Christmas season. We're all looking for gifts for 670 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: our kids right now. There is nothing better. I'm telling 671 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: you these clothes are great quality. But I'm not just 672 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: trying to sell it. I really think as a mom, 673 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm always like, Okay, my daughter is a golfer, my 674 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: other one is My other two are basketball players, we 675 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: have a volleyball player. And I'm literally right now looking 676 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: at what kind of clothes do I want to get 677 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: them for Christmas? And I want to invest someplace where 678 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I know they care about my girls. You know, the 679 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: clothes that they care they wear, are actually going to 680 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: put back into them. 681 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 2: I so appreciate that we have such cute golf stuff 682 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: coming for the spring. Your daughter's going to love it. 683 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: We have a cute starts and yeah, she's going to 684 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: love it. We just were shooting it yesterday. I think, 685 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 2: and this may sound self serving, but you know, brands 686 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: like mine are relegated. The mainstream uses the term parallel economy, 687 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: and I refuse to accept that terminology. We are not parallel, 688 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: We are not secondary. We are mainstream. And I think 689 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: voting with your dollars for brands like mine or others 690 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: Jonathan Isaac's brands unite us. There's tons of them out there, 691 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: even outside of the athletic space, it proves that we 692 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: are the mainstream. It proves that there is a viable 693 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: path for brands that don't forsake women for wokeness in 694 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: our case. And so I think some people ask me 695 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 2: what can I do? What can I do? I can't 696 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: really blow up my life, I can't risk losing my job. 697 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: You can support people, and you can support brands that 698 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: are putting themselves out there. Buy their books, buy their products, 699 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: use their search engine, because I think we all collectively 700 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 2: need to prove that brands like mine are about common 701 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 2: sense and sanity, and we represent the vast majority of Americans, 702 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 2: and we're not willing to overlook, you know, the stuff 703 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: that Nike has put on us and the lies that 704 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 2: they put out there. They pretend to stand up for women, 705 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: and they have forsaken women time and time again over 706 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: the last ten years. They're sort of famous for it. 707 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: Don't buy that brand, Bye brand that actually stands up 708 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 2: for women. So I feel like there's and I'm trying 709 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 2: to do it with other brands and other categories. I 710 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 2: want to prove that there's a viable path, a financial path, 711 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: a brand path for these brands that are willing to 712 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: stand up and represent the views of the majority of Americans. 713 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: We appreciate that, and honestly, I know that the listeners 714 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: of this podcast will support you. So please check out 715 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: her clothes, check out her website. She's amazing. Jennifer say, 716 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining. 717 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 2: Us, Thanks for having me again, Tutor. 718 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on the 719 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcasts. For this episode and others, go to 720 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 721 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: podcasts and join us next time. Have a blessing,