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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday night, and it's time for a Friday Night special.

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Speaker 2: A gorgeous teen girl, Miranda Corset, kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and

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Speaker 2: dismembered after meeting a grown man online in the last days,

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Speaker 2: her family fights back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: The estate of this little teen girl, Miranda Corset, allegedly

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Speaker 2: tortured for a week, murdered, and dismembered, is suing the

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Speaker 2: online app grinder that hooked her up with a grown man.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened.

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Speaker 2: This little girl actually dies gagging on a pool, bawl

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Speaker 2: forced into her mouth, her head wrapped mummy style with

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Speaker 2: kitchen saran wrap. And then after this child's body is dismembered,

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Speaker 2: the purpse leaving blood and human tissue up on.

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Speaker 1: The side of a house. They didn't even.

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Speaker 2: Take a water hose for's sake to clean off this

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Speaker 2: child's blood. These two go out to celebrate with Popeyes

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Speaker 2: and Putt Putt after dismembering her with a chainsaw. We

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Speaker 2: obtained exclusive video of the codefendants.

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Speaker 1: Here. He is gress.

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Speaker 2: We believe, taking the teen girl's body out to his vehicle,

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Speaker 2: just sauntering along.

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Speaker 1: Without a care in the world, not worried if he

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Speaker 1: would be seen. Nothing.

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Speaker 2: He tucks the body into his vehicle, checks everything is

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Speaker 2: just right, nothing hanging out, slams the trunk with the

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Speaker 2: child's body in the car, and saunters back in. Little

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Speaker 2: did he know that he is upstairs residence.

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Speaker 1: This is a duplex.

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Speaker 2: Had her Ring camera going the entire time, and we

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Speaker 2: got it. It's all caught on a video. This and more.

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Speaker 2: He's not even worried this, as we learn, he.

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Speaker 1: And builds the bub the minion from Hell.

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Speaker 2: Satan's assistant forced a pool ball into this child. His

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Speaker 2: mouth then wrapped her head mummy style, and Sara ran

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Speaker 2: rap until she.

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Speaker 1: Died.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we obtain more video to determine

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Speaker 2: what exactly was being said. At one juncture, a neighbor

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Speaker 2: comes from across the street and we hear her say

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Speaker 2: the words we hear Gress stating about the little girl.

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Speaker 1: Quote this punch stole my ring right here, the ate all.

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Speaker 2: The food in the kitchen. He's talking about a little girl.

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Speaker 2: The neighbor says. The girl in the corner h yeah,

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Speaker 2: what other girl? And the Gress says yeah, he says,

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Speaker 2: she says, that's her body.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Neighbor says, damn, listen, what is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that to a jury.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, I got a shrink. But the shrink is

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Speaker 2: joining us at about one minute. But first I want

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Speaker 2: to go to Dan Sullivan joining us right for Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Times at Tampa Bay dot com, who obtained a

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Speaker 2: lot of this affidavit and search warrant material.

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Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan, did you just see the video?

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Speaker 2: The neighbor just saunters over and goes, well, that's her body,

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Speaker 2: and Gress says yeah, And all she says is damn,

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with this woman?

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Speaker 3: I can answer that.

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Speaker 4: I know that what the police put in the search

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Speaker 4: warrant was that at least that neighbor and at least

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Speaker 4: a few other people were aware that this girl was

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Speaker 4: with him during this week.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not clear.

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, guys renowned writer for the Tampa Bay Times,

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Speaker 2: states that his examination of court documents we've just obtained

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Speaker 2: they got it revealed that at least six people knew

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Speaker 2: the girl was in his words with Gress.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan that based on these court documents, an affidavit,

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Speaker 2: a sworn affidavit of what the officer, the detective learned,

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Speaker 2: she wasn't just with him for an outing in the park.

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Speaker 2: She was being beaten, lying naked in a corner, begging

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Speaker 2: for help, and everybody knew it. All of these people

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Speaker 2: knew it, and in my mind, are complicit complicit with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this neighbor sees her naked in the corner, Dan.

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Speaker 4: I think it seems, based on what's in the f David,

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Speaker 4: clear if every one of them knew the extent of

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Speaker 4: what was going on, but it seems, I mean, there

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Speaker 4: were a few people who received photographs that showed her

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Speaker 4: in worsening physical condition throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: And you mean, she's getting beaten more and more and

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Speaker 2: more lying there naked in the fetal position in the corner.

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Speaker 2: I'd say that is worsening condition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: You know, according to what's in the search warrant that

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Speaker 3: Photos of what was going on.

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Speaker 4: Like I say, though, I mean, it's not clear if

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Speaker 4: everyone that saw her knew the extent of what she

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Speaker 4: was going through. But some of them, you know, it seems,

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Speaker 4: had reason to believe that there was something, you know,

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Speaker 4: very wrong happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something called child to be's child to right and murder.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, it is murky.

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Speaker 2: And you know right now what I'm trying to figure out,

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, I'm trying to figure out the appropriate charges

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Speaker 2: for these six ghules because right now they're not charged.

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Speaker 2: But believe you me, Dan, there is a way. There

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Speaker 2: is a way. I mean, when you get sent pictures

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Speaker 2: this technical legal phrase, a hole sent pictures of the

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Speaker 2: little girl, a little girl, Dan, did you know my

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Speaker 2: twins just turned seventeen. My daughter weighs about ninety pounds.

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Speaker 2: She's nothing but lip gloss and eyelashes. This girl's sixteen, sixteen, Dan,

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Speaker 2: and beaten to a pulp And these people send photos.

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Speaker 2: The man gress sends photos of the little girl to

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Speaker 2: various people lying there, beaten, a naked in the corner.

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Speaker 2: Did you just say, Dan, that the photos got worse.

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Speaker 2: The photos show her in increasingly worse physical condition, and

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Speaker 2: he kept photoing her and sending them from his phone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that is what the police wrote in

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Speaker 4: the search warrant that you know, the photos showed her

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Speaker 4: an increasingly worse physical condition. As far as whether you

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Speaker 4: know anyone else might be charged, I don't know. Our

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Speaker 4: local state attorney here, Bruce Bartlett, said that they are

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Speaker 4: that that's a possibility and that they're looking at that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know they might need any of.

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Speaker 4: These people to testify as witnesses and what factor that

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Speaker 4: might play in.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're right, man, you're thinking ahead.

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Speaker 2: You're like five steps ahead of most people, maybe ten,

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Speaker 2: because these six people. You know, I'm not a betting

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Speaker 2: person because I've got children put through college. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to waste my money on the slots. But if

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Speaker 2: I were a betting person, I would bet that these

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Speaker 2: six people are either going to be states witnesses or

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Speaker 2: co defendants.

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Speaker 1: Mark my words.

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Speaker 2: They can all be thrown in the same pot to

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Speaker 2: stew as far as I'm concerned. Again, they're all presumed innocent.

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Speaker 1: Dan. Isn't it true?

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Speaker 2: The affidavit reveals that the defendants quote searched the girl's

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Speaker 2: body cavities that means her vagina, her anus, her mouth

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Speaker 2: for a stolen ring that really hadn't been stolen at all.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that true they did this to this little girl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is one part of the affidavit that describes that,

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Speaker 4: and it does seem, based on what's in the affidavit,

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Speaker 4: that mister Gress apparently felt very strongly about this ring

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Speaker 4: and believed that Miranda had taken it, done something with it,

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Speaker 4: and really wanted to find it.

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Speaker 3: There was some information from.

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Speaker 2: Really wanted to find it up her Anus.

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Speaker 3: That's according to the affidavit.

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Speaker 4: That is what you know, he's a let show have done.

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Speaker 4: There was some information from one of the other people

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Speaker 4: involved that, you know, they believed that he you know,

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Speaker 4: that Miranda had nothing to do with this ring and

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Speaker 4: that it was actually the co defendant, Miss Brandis.

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Speaker 1: Brandis ring all along.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Brandish that the ring was quote

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Speaker 2: found suddenly in Gress's car and Brandis insinuated intimated to

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Speaker 2: the third roommate that she had taken it so Gress

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Speaker 2: would get angry at the little girl and get rid

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was there was something to that effect in

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Speaker 4: the search for and this was after.

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Speaker 3: The girl, you know, that they had disposed of her body.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: We're spending a lot of time talking about the ring

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Speaker 2: and Frankly, Dan Sullivan, I don't give a flying fig

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Speaker 2: about the ring.

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Speaker 1: That was just a pretext to beat this child. We're

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Speaker 1: now learning from.

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Speaker 2: The affidavit that you obtained that Gress has a history

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Speaker 2: of targeting let me just say, troubled women and girls.

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Speaker 2: We know that Miranda had lost both of her parents.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly it's a little girl loft boast of her parents

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Speaker 2: at a young age and moved in with grandma. And

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Speaker 2: Grandma was so happy that Miranda had a Valentine date date.

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Speaker 1: That date is with her.

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Speaker 2: Alleged killer, Gress, who lured her online. Speaking of the ring,

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Speaker 2: that was a pretext for abuse, torture and murder. Listen

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Speaker 2: to what the neighbor who saunters over and sees.

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Speaker 1: The girl and does nothing.

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Speaker 2: We have managed to enhance the video from the upstair

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Speaker 2: residence ring cam.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to hear what she says.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Remember her last words you heard were that's her body, damn.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Figure out right.

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Speaker 1: The neighbor sees what's happening.

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Speaker 2: The neighbor sees the little girl balled up in a

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Speaker 2: corner crying, and you hear Gress say she stole my

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Speaker 2: ring and neighbor, How the hell are you going to

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Speaker 2: get her out of here?

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Speaker 1: Gress?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.

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Speaker 2: And the neighbor says, don't kill her. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to see the police up here. So she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: them to kill the little girl because she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: the police around. Wonder why I think I know the affidavit,

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Speaker 2: does it not? Dan Sullivan refer to the neighbor as

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Speaker 2: having sold pot to Gress in the past.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: There is a portion of the affidavit where I believe

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Speaker 4: that it says that I guess she came over to

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Speaker 4: exchange in a drug transaction with him.

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Speaker 2: We're not sure that this is the same neighbor, but

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Speaker 2: we do know that this neighbor that actually talks to

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Speaker 2: Miranda lying there dying, she does not want the police

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Speaker 2: quote up in here.

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Speaker 1: Then the neighbor says, where you got the ring, honey?

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Speaker 1: You could have just given it to him. It's not

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Speaker 1: over yet.

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Speaker 2: There is more from the neighbor, and we've been able

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Speaker 2: to enhance the video and the sound. Just the nature

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Speaker 2: of this neighbor. She sees the girl lying there naked,

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Speaker 2: dying and starts quizzing her about a ring.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Michel, I don't want to see funny any idea.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The estate of this little girl Miranda Corsett now suing

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Speaker 2: after she was allegedly tortured, murdered, and dismembered after meeting

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Speaker 2: a guy online. Corset allegedly left unrecognizable after she was

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Speaker 2: beaten for a week and suffocated when a billiard ball

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Speaker 2: was shoved into her mouth, her head covered in plastic wrap.

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Speaker 2: If this is true, these perps are animals. Joining me

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Speaker 2: is renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker, and you can

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Speaker 2: see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with this woman? She just says to Gress, Okay,

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Speaker 1: You're Michelle. I don't want to see the police. I've

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Speaker 7: This is so painful to hear. Actually, she says, is

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Speaker 2: Is Beefhany, Gress, Bethany, Bethany, too many words. Boil it down,

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Speaker 2: It's Dave Horton, the landlord at the Gress home, now

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Speaker 2: believed to be murder scene. Mister Wharton, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Oh, no problem, mister Hohrton. On the outside,

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Speaker 8: Oh, I couldn't believe it. You know, the place was

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Speaker 2: You know, you evicted the residents.

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Speaker 8: Why the eviction was due to non payment of rent.

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Speaker 8: it you know what happened again?

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Speaker 2: You know, you know Dave Horton, he just says something

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Speaker 2: I find very very probative because many people, and myself included,

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Speaker 8: Yes he could, and I think he did that with

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Speaker 8: no need to go inside the apartment. That was the

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Speaker 2: When you went in the home to clean it out

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Speaker 8: No, there was no evidence whatsoever there really, you know,

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Speaker 8: the place was just a complete just like a bomb

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Speaker 1: You know, we say, look like a bomb went off.

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Speaker 2: Are you referring to the fingerprint dust, the fingerprint powder

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Speaker 8: They went in there on the Friday after. I just

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Speaker 8: And Gypsy says, well, they came out and they didn't

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Speaker 2: I understand that the mother came by and the only

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Now, And I ended up ringing to him was

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Speaker 8: It was a three thousand dollars parrot. I'm thinking I've

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Speaker 1: Brother preach it. She's all upset. I got the bird

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, a.

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Speaker 2: Days in a heap in the corner, naked, Bruce. Did

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Speaker 2: you know that, according to witnesses, you're resident, you're ten.

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Speaker 2: It would take pictures of the little girl like lying there,

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Speaker 8: I can't believe this man, I can't believe. And I

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Speaker 8: everything else. She didn't even know about it, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, she got the pictures of the

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Speaker 8: That's what I was told was on the news yesterday.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, somebody lied to you, man, they did.

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Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, she's getting pictures of the little girl. Miranda

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Speaker 2: just turned sixteen. We're showing pictures of her as a

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Speaker 2: little girl right now, curled up in a ball in

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Speaker 2: the fetal position of the corner. Picture after picture after picture,

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Speaker 2: and every time there'll be more bruises and more beatings

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Speaker 1: Where's my parent?

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Speaker 8: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, you know what, I bet a jury's going to

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Speaker 2: believe it. The civil suit alleges that the perps savagely

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Speaker 2: beat Miranda, targeting her body with quote such ferocity she

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Speaker 2: was left battered, swollen, and unrecognizable. They also claim the

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Speaker 2: victim's life was brutally extinguished when, at the grinder user's direction,

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Speaker 2: a poolball wrapped in a sock was shoved.

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Speaker 1: In her mouth. Oh my stars, how did everything go

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Speaker 1: so wrong? Popeye's put putt and a chainsaw? You know

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Speaker 1: when I graduated, Laura you from law school.

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Speaker 2: I never thought that I put those three ideas in

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Speaker 2: one sentence, much less a pool ball too. An Sonoda

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Speaker 2: joining me, child of sex Abes, grooming expert, social worker,

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Speaker 2: author of Duck Duck Groom. The backdrop of what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about right now is that the grandma was so

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Speaker 2: happy that Miranda was going to have a Valentine's date.

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Speaker 1: With gris.

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Speaker 2: A devil from hell.

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Speaker 1: What's your message?

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Speaker 9: I want every parent listening to know that children are

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Speaker 9: actually following our lead. They're using dating apps. The average

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Speaker 9: thirteen to seventeen year old eleven percent of those kids

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Speaker 9: in that age group are on dating apps. We're talking Tender, Okaycupid, Match,

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Speaker 9: every parent, my tip is pay attention to all online activity,

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Speaker 9: need better more robust age verifications. Just like miners are

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Speaker 9: misrepresenting put ourselves, so are adults. You really think.

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Speaker 1: A minor a child is What do you mean by

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Speaker 2: If they want to get on Tender or Grinder they're

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Speaker 1: Go better not lie.

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Speaker 2: They're not check that box, of course, they're going to

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: What we've done is we've modeled to children that it's

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Speaker 9: as a result, the world is open to them. Predators

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Speaker 9: They have a direct path to access miners. Children who

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Speaker 9: This poor young child.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, you know, I agree with everything you're saying,

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Speaker 2: Anna Sonoda, except I don't know that there's so much

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Miranda. She was fifteen at the

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Speaker 2: get go, this little girl right there with her little critter.

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Speaker 2: Both parents die suddenly, she's now living with Grandma. She

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Speaker 2: taking her out and having fun going places.

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Speaker 1: This is what she got.

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Speaker 2: Anna, she got one of these crammed into her mouth

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Speaker 2: and her head wrapped in cell aphane, which I'm about

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Speaker 2: age verifications are going to help anything. I think it's

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Speaker 2: more on the parents to stop it. But this grandma, IY,

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Speaker 2: what did she know? She probably doesn't even know what

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Speaker 2: Google is.

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, I want to go quickly to Dan Sullivan.

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Speaker 2: Dan, we're learning so much from the documents. As a

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Speaker 10: Court documents show that at least six people knew Stephen

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Speaker 10: Gress and Michelle Brandis were holding sixteen year old Miranda

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Speaker 10: Corsette against her will and beating her. Gres allegedly sent

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Speaker 10: she shut down the conversation, telling her son that she

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Speaker 10: didn't want to know. At least two neighbors also saw

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true based on the documents that you obtained

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Speaker 1: They go where, Dan Sullivan.

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Speaker 4: Well, according to what's in the search Warren Fi David,

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Speaker 4: they went Putt putt golfing and to Pope Is to

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Speaker 4: eat fried chicken. The affidavit states that I guess they

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Speaker 4: went there because it was Brandis's birthday that day.

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Speaker 2: But then whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa white white repeat they said.

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Speaker 4: The affidavit states that it was Brandis's birthday, so they

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Speaker 4: went to eat fried chicken at Popeye's and Putt putt golfing.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Paul Duffy, senior consultant with

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Speaker 2: Group nine Security consult and Training, former Deputy inspector with

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Speaker 2: the US Marshall Service. You can find him at Group

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Speaker 2: nine dot US. Paul, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: A quick question regarding the evidence in his case. The

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Speaker 2: photos are going to be damning. They're going to have

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Speaker 2: to be obtained off of.

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Speaker 1: Cell phones or from the cloud.

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Speaker 2: But Dan Sullivan has just described these ghules from Hell

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Speaker 2: taking the little girl. And Dan, did they go out

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Speaker 2: for Popeyes and pup Putt before or after the dismemberment

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Speaker 2: of this child?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the way the after David has written it sounds

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Speaker 4: like it was after they had dismembered the girl's remains

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Speaker 4: that they went golfing.

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Speaker 2: And to Popeyes, Okay, Paul Duffy Popeyes, and I believe

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Speaker 2: it was Congo River, Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody

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Speaker 2: on the panel.

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Speaker 1: Congo River put Putt, Popeye's and put Putt.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be a treasure trove of evidence because

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Speaker 2: it's my belief that they go, they dismember the body,

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Speaker 2: and Brandis's mother's house and the mother.

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Speaker 1: And the granny nanny are in there and they can

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Speaker 1: hear a chainsaw outside. What do they think is happening?

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Speaker 2: Human tissue and blood is found on the side of

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Speaker 2: Michelle Brandis's codefendant mother's house.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even take a garden hose to like clean

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Speaker 1: off the site. They just left the little girl's blood

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Speaker 1: on the side of the house.

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Speaker 2: But after they dismember her, and correct me again if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Dan Sulimon, they put her dismembered remains back

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Speaker 2: in the car, and to celebrate Brandis's birthday, he wanted

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Speaker 2: to make her feel special. They go to Putt Putt

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Speaker 2: and Popeye's. Now, Paul, this is what I would like

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Speaker 2: to show a jury. I would like to show video

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Speaker 2: surveillance of these devils from hell playing putt put How

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Speaker 2: many rounds did they play? Did they keep score or

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Speaker 2: they're like, whoa, I got a hole in one? And

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Speaker 2: then I'd like to find out from the drive through

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Speaker 2: or did they eat inside.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to.

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Speaker 2: See the video of them eating a fried chicken while

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Speaker 2: this girl chopped up is in the car. What do

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Speaker 2: they talk about at lunch? Did they talk about where

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Speaker 2: we're gonna dump the body? It's just I want to

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Speaker 2: see the video.

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Speaker 1: What about it? Paul Duffy, That.

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Speaker 5: Video would be compelling in court, Nancy. It would be

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Speaker 5: in a picture that they were remorseless and depraved and

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Speaker 5: add to the indications that this is perhaps not Steve's

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Speaker 5: first rodeo.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the evidence, speaking of that video, I pray

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Speaker 2: to heaven, Paul Duffy, and I learned this the hard

495
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Speaker 2: way in the Chandra Levy case where Chandra Levy, you

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Speaker 2: remember the DC intern that was murdered.

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Speaker 1: The high rise where she lived.

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Speaker 2: In DC would restart and tape over surveillance video like

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Speaker 2: every seventy two hours. And I could have learned a

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Speaker 2: lot if I had known when she left her apartment

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Speaker 2: for the last time. Was she dressed up to go out?

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Speaker 2: Was she she was going jogging? Was she with anybody?

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Speaker 2: Could I see her go out and get in a

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Speaker 2: cab and I can find that cab, and I can

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Speaker 2: find where she went from that cab driver. You know,

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Speaker 2: every cab is identified with a number. But no, they

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Speaker 2: reacted it every seventy two hours, so all that evidence

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Speaker 2: was lost. I pray to Heaven that Popeyes and Congo

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Speaker 2: River putt put doesn't do the same thing. Is there

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Speaker 2: any chance they would store that in the cloud even

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Speaker 2: if they you know, tape over.

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Speaker 5: All, security systems aren't equal, Nancy. It all depends on

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Speaker 5: what the business invested in their security system.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The civil suit goes on to claim, quote, this final

516
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: act of violence, suffocating a defenseless minor child, already broken

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Speaker 2: by days of torture, was the culmination of a week

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Speaker 2: long torture set in motion by grinders dangerous sex hookup

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Speaker 2: app that ensneered the child into a deadly trap. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Paul Duffy, you and I can explore the ins and outs,

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Speaker 2: the intricacy of saving digital data on the cell phones,

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Speaker 2: the nav system in the car. And I think there

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Speaker 2: was one toll roads. Florida is full of toll roads

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Speaker 2: where I'll get video of them just driving happily along,

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Speaker 2: going on their merry way with the.

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Speaker 1: Child's dead body in the trunk. I want it all.

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Speaker 2: I want license grabbers showing their route to Brandi's mother's house.

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Speaker 2: I want to find out if there's video surveillance video

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Speaker 2: at the mother's house. Is there stop like camra, Is

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Speaker 2: there anything that I could show this jury to corroborate testimony.

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Speaker 1: I want all that digital data, every bit of it.

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Speaker 1: But what is very.

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Speaker 2: Powerful is the ring camera from the upstairs residence home.

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Speaker 1: And I would have this neighbor.

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Speaker 2: On the hot seat explaining to her what accessory after

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Speaker 2: the fact means.

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Speaker 1: And this is why listen, that's.

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Speaker 10: The neighbor, says.

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Speaker 3: Miranda.

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Speaker 10: Stayed at the home for several days with no issues

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Speaker 10: until Gres woke up to find he's missing a ring

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Speaker 10: given to him by a friend. She says, Gres accused

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Speaker 10: Miranda of stealing it and flew into a rage when

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Speaker 10: she only trembled in fear at his accusation. After two

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Speaker 10: days of brutal beatings, Brandis sneakily shows her roommate that

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Speaker 10: she has the ring, hiding it from Gres. The woman

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Speaker 10: believes Brandas took the ring to provoke Gres into hurting Miranda.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the female roommate turned murder code defendant Brandis

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Speaker 2: Michelle Brandis had the ring all along. Okay to Dan Sullivan,

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Speaker 2: isn't it true, Dan joining us from Tampa Bay Times,

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Speaker 2: who's cracked this case wide open? Isn't it true that

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Speaker 2: Gres says it was Brandis after he shoved the pool

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Speaker 2: ball in the little girl's mouth as she's tied up naked.

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Speaker 2: I guess on a chair that Brandis wrapped her head

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Speaker 2: is sarane rap and he said, don't come, I don't

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Speaker 2: cover her nose. But she did cover her nose, and

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Speaker 2: that Gress says he rushed over punch holes in it

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Speaker 2: so she could breathe, but she was already dead. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that in the affidavit?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 4: According to the other witness, she said that Brandis actually

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Speaker 4: put the pool ball in Miranda's mouth and then.

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Speaker 3: Was wrapping her head in saran wrap.

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Speaker 4: And there was some discussion about, you know, Gress saying

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Speaker 4: that he wanted to put holes or not to cover

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Speaker 4: her nose and wanted to put holes in the in

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Speaker 4: the wrap so she could breathe, but couldn't get to

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Speaker 4: her quick enough.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's there. There was there was.

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Speaker 2: Some So let me understand something. Angel Lewis joining me,

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Speaker 2: veteran trial lawyer, a partner at Sircey Law firm, Palm Beach,

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Speaker 2: former felony prosecutor, Andrea, You're not a prosecutor anymore. You're

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Speaker 2: on the other side. So let me understand. Is gres

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Speaker 2: gonna summon. They're all doing this. They're all pointing the

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Speaker 2: finger at each other. And we've got more video to

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Speaker 2: show you of that. But angel Lewis, I see Grass

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Speaker 2: swooping in with a she done it, and I tried

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Speaker 2: to save her. I tried to punch holes into saran wrap.

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Speaker 2: Why did you let saran rap get wrapped out her head.

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Speaker 1: To start with?

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Speaker 2: So what is he going to try to blame Brandis?

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Speaker 2: And Brandis is going to blame him and the roommate's like,

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Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with.

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Speaker 1: This, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: I am sure that that's what they're going to try

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Speaker 11: to do. But here's the problem with that. Right, we

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Speaker 11: have this man that went online and actually found this child,

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Speaker 11: enticed her into coming over to his home for fair

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Speaker 11: any we know what he had nefarious motives. We know

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Speaker 11: that they were sexually motivated. He's the one who brought

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Speaker 11: her over there. This is his house of horrors that

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Speaker 11: we know that there were crimes being committed inside there.

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Speaker 11: This man is evil at his core, and it's going

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Speaker 11: to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to

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Speaker 11: direct all of the guilt here onto his co defendant. Now,

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Speaker 11: he is not going to be able to escape unfazed

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Speaker 11: here in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: So, Andrea, what would the defense be, Well.

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Speaker 11: The defense in this case has got to be it

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Speaker 11: wasn't me, it was my co defendant.

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Speaker 1: It was somebody else.

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Speaker 11: And I think what they're going to try to do

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Speaker 11: here is that when we know that the death penalty

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Speaker 11: is going to be on the table.

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Speaker 1: As it should be.

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Speaker 12: So I think, what, given all of the evidence in

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Speaker 12: this case and the video, it's going to be overwhelming.

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Speaker 12: Their best bet is going to try to be just

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Speaker 12: to plea this case out to something less.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Well, if the DP is on the table,

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Speaker 2: I don't see a plea happening. And in addition, I imagine

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Speaker 2: either the first or the last witness. If I was

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Speaker 2: trying the case, it would probably be the first witness,

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Speaker 2: although that would be going out of chronological order, which a.

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Speaker 1: Jury really likes. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I think the jury.

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Speaker 2: Needs to know at the get go the COEOD cause

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Speaker 2: of death of this little girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns is

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Speaker 2: a renowned medical examiner joining us out of Terrent County.

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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, Texas.

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Speaker 2: He is launching a new podcast in a week April

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Speaker 2: at fourteen Mayhem and the Morgue. He is an esteemed

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Speaker 2: lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 2: What would be after all of this? What would be

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Speaker 2: the cood? Could it be the beatings? Is there internal bleeding?

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Speaker 2: Is she bled out on the inside? Did she die

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Speaker 2: of asphyxiation when the poolball gag in her mouth? Or

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Speaker 2: was it the saranne wrap taken right out of the

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Speaker 2: kitchen drawer and wrapped around this child's head.

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Speaker 1: Well, how do I determine.

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Speaker 2: With all of that happening to this little girl, Miranda,

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Speaker 2: what is the cod plus she was dismembered.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a body, But in your expertise, doctor Crown's,

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Speaker 1: what would be the cood.

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Speaker 13: Based on all the information we have that she's beaten,

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Speaker 13: she's gagged, saran wrap put around her face. To me,

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Speaker 13: it would be more likely than not a suffocation with

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Speaker 13: the gag being put in her mouth, when the saran

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Speaker 13: wrap covering her head, she wouldn't be able to get

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Speaker 13: oxygen in and she would basically suffocate from lack of oxygen. Now,

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Speaker 13: was the beatings bad enough? You have a progression of

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Speaker 13: the beatings seen in the pictures of her having multiple

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Speaker 13: bruises was over time. So I don't think the beatings

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Speaker 13: were actually bad enough to have killed her. I think

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Speaker 13: that was more of a torture method, and their final

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Speaker 13: thing that killed her was actually shoving the pool ball

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Speaker 13: in her mouth and putting saran wrap over her head.

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Speaker 13: So I feel cause of death would be asphyxiation or suffocation.

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Speaker 13: Manner of death homicide.

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Speaker 2: Dan Sullivan, It's a no body case. We don't have

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Speaker 2: a body. The body has very likely been incinerated, so

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Speaker 2: that's a problem. But I don't believe the definitcyted gold

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Speaker 2: Star in a plus because they managed to get rid

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Speaker 2: of the body. What do you foresee happening? Do you

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Speaker 2: believe the six ghules that knew this child was being

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Speaker 2: tortured and killed and sat by and they actually heard

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Speaker 2: the chainsaw outside as his child was being dismembered and

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Speaker 2: nobody did a thing nothing? Do you expect charges of

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Speaker 2: accessory act.

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Speaker 1: Of the fact.

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to answer that, not being a lawyer.

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Speaker 4: I think there is a possibility, and our local state

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Speaker 4: attorney has said that, you know, they're looking at, you know,

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Speaker 4: whether anybody else could face charges.

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Speaker 3: But again, you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Also possible that they will need these people as witnesses,

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Speaker 4: so that could influence, you know, any decision about other charges.

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Speaker 4: It's also unclear, you know, at least with the the

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Speaker 4: upstairs neighbor, the one who had the surveillance video, if she,

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Speaker 4: you know, was aware of what was going on. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem like she was, but it definitely seems like

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Speaker 4: there were there were other people who were aware that

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Speaker 4: Miranda was in trouble right.

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Speaker 2: I agree the upstairs neighbor was very, very cooperative and

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Speaker 2: very distraught when we spoke to her, and she gave

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Speaker 2: us all of that video.

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Speaker 1: Guys, what more do we know, Nacy?

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Speaker 6: We've learned that a federal judge has sided with Grinder

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Speaker 6: that the law suit should go to arbitration. A twelve

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Speaker 6: page ruling by US District Judge Tom Barber states that

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Speaker 6: Miranda Corset, in creating the Grinder account, had agreed to

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Speaker 6: terms and conditions that included arbitration of legal disputes. Barbara

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Speaker 6: ruled that when Corset electronically signed to create her account,

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Speaker 6: an agreement exists that broadly covers any dispute claim or

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Speaker 6: controversy between Corset and Grinder, agreeing to resolve disputes through arbitration.

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Speaker 6: This despite the fact that the sixteen year old was restrained, beaten,

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Speaker 6: and tortured for several days. Corsett was suffocated when a

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Speaker 6: pool ball wrapped in a sock was shoved into her

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Speaker 6: mouth and then her head and face wrapped in saran wraps,

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Speaker 6: suffocating her. The judge said, quote Corset agreed to Grinder's

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Speaker 6: terms of service, which includes an arbitration each of the

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Speaker 6: three times she created grinder accounts. The estate's attorney objected,

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Speaker 6: raising a series of arguments, including pointing out the victim

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Speaker 6: was a minor, but Barbara rejected that argument, saying a

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Speaker 6: failure to comprehend or negotiate arbitration or unequal bargaining power

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Speaker 6: does not justify a repeated refusal to read an agreement

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Speaker 6: and should not negate the enforceability of an arbitration agreement.

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Speaker 6: Both parties are required by the judge's order to notify

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Speaker 6: the court of the arbitration proceedings within fourteen days.

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Speaker 2: As the alleged killers head to trial, We wait as

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Speaker 2: justice un false.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye for