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Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast only follows the winning hardball.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What up boys, Happy New Year's Eve. First time the

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Speaker 1: four horsemen have been together in the same room for

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Speaker 1: a while. Four horsemen. I don't know which one of

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Speaker 1: us is pestil it's you're too smart for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't bad one who knows? Uh this? Yes, this

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Speaker 1: is New Year's Eve. Mark and I big New Year's

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Speaker 1: Eve planned marking at five tomorrow. Me and It's six

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Speaker 1: party time at our respective homes. Party till about seven.

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Speaker 1: Then it's like lights out, apple drops mentally. Greg actually

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Speaker 1: took off the two days after New Year's Eve, so

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Speaker 1: you can figure out what's going on. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a wild party for Rosenthal tonight. I am working tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I thought got to be too excited, but I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not coming in there. My wife and there being

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Speaker 1: the place work into the office. You know, New Year's Eve,

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Speaker 1: it's a big holiday for my wife. She does all

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Speaker 1: these traditional holiday things. New Year's Morning breakfast, So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get that done. The boss operates with a different

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Speaker 1: set of rules than his minions. You earned this right

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Speaker 1: and he's taking advantage and he's cashing in. West has

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Speaker 1: love coming into his life tonight. It's like love Actually,

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Speaker 1: you're the plot of love. Love Actually. Amongst the A t.

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Speaker 1: L Crew, you have a woman coming in hopefully Tybee

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Speaker 1: Islands not listening in because we don't want to give

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Speaker 1: them too much of your personal life. But you're going

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Speaker 1: to the rose ball tomorrow with the love of your life.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes, you can't divulge any more information.

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Speaker 1: I am not at liberty to say there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of privacy involved with Wes's relationships where we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: it all out of them eventually. Um, all right, so

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Speaker 1: let's get to some football talk, Greg. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: set us up because right now, obviously it's a weird

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Speaker 1: time for the NFL in terms of news coverage because

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Speaker 1: the biggest games of the season are coming up on

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Speaker 1: Yet we're talking about the coaches and Black Monday. It

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Speaker 1: is such Was that a question? I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: such a weird time because Sunday was one of the

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Speaker 1: best week sevent teens I can ever remember between the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys game at night, and the Chargers game. Usually there's

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Speaker 1: not so much in the line. It was awesome, and

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Speaker 1: then it quickly changes gears into where you guys are

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Speaker 1: talking to Zynski on Sunday night and now we're looking

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Speaker 1: at six head coaches have been fired, and it's just

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Speaker 1: such a dramatic change from one day next. It's one

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Speaker 1: of our busiest days of the year working. I know,

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Speaker 1: we were all a little out of our minds. Three

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Speaker 1: you go to NFL dot com slash Coaching Tracker, we're

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Speaker 1: got it all there all the later. Another perk of

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Speaker 1: being the boss this is the coaching trackers under Greg's bylines,

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Speaker 1: so the metrics going through the route, compromising the metrics

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Speaker 1: on this at all times. It's a general rumor mill

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Speaker 1: that people can't get enough up. Greg Rosenthal's little one

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Speaker 1: like baseball cards? These stats stick with us for the

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Speaker 1: rest of our career. It's in a shadow figures. That's

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Speaker 1: start with the Detroit Lions where Jim Schwartz was fired

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Speaker 1: on Monday after what was that four seasons, five seasons,

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Speaker 1: the lines are moving forward? Where are we at with

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Speaker 1: this team right now? We had a I had a conversation.

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Speaker 1: But I think the Lions is because they have a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: that because Stafford needs that teacher. Well, it kind of

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Speaker 1: out if that guy flubs it. You're gone to and

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Speaker 1: in Stafford for what he is. We know the guy's productive,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like that from everything. Our NFL media insider

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport earned his money on Monday. Everything he's saying

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Speaker 1: A big victory for Team Kansas, and I believe Team

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Speaker 1: Westling who said all along that Siano was done if

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Speaker 1: depressing press conference. What do you guys look at each

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Speaker 1: Siana and it's gotten like five young children that now

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Speaker 1: third best. When coaches get fired, everyone gets fired. And

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Speaker 1: both places never could find a franchise quarterback. It's intriguing

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Speaker 1: Greg and I that he really didn't do a lot

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Speaker 1: Dan doesn't have a lot of predictions to get behind.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit outrageous. Like the Jets

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Speaker 1: celebrating an eight and eight record, Dan was celebrating his

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Speaker 1: very emotional in the hands of his household when closed

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Speaker 1: standing from last place last year, fourth place next year,

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Speaker 1: look out, bronze medal. I thought this was the second

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Speaker 1: best job because of what you said, because of the talent,

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Speaker 1: we'll ever see Greg Ciano though. Again in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I did a ranking of of the six coaches that

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Speaker 1: thinking about but sometimes it happ and Cianna would be

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Speaker 1: I went Kubiak because he's an offensive coach with a

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Speaker 1: stat tracker, that is just going bonkers in the metrics

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Speaker 1: and it's going to lead to Greg having a corner

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Speaker 1: office in about six weeks. Uh. We'll start with the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. We obviously flamed out at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season, lost their final two games. Joe Filman the coach,

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Speaker 1: that's uncertain what what his status is? Uh g M

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Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland even more uncertain. How do we see this unfolding?

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Speaker 1: Stephen Ross said he had a lot to think about

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Speaker 1: after the games, and there was a subsequent article in

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Speaker 1: the Miami Herald saying Monday was a quiet day uh

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Speaker 1: in Miami because he didn't expect to be in this spot.

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Speaker 1: He expected to bring both of them back. He expected

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Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. My thought to that is,

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Speaker 1: like there was only two possible outcomes to the final

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Speaker 1: weeks game. Weren't wouldn't they have been prepared somewhat for

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Speaker 1: one of the two any thought you might not win

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Speaker 1: that game. This is like the one situation I have

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Speaker 1: no read on. I kind of expect Ireland to go.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what they want to do with Philbin.

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Speaker 1: Well there there's a report today in the Herald about

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Speaker 1: Ross's potential affinity for having Eric Mangini as a general manager.

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Speaker 1: So I think things have gone utterly Haywire. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the guy will will not be back, though probably

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Speaker 1: is offensive coordinator Mike Sherman. Yeah, I agree with that,

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Speaker 1: And it's tough because it sounds easy, Oh, change the GM,

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Speaker 1: keep the coach, But do you have to decide if

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Speaker 1: you really want to do that. I mean, whether you

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Speaker 1: want to hire a GM that doesn't even get to

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Speaker 1: choose his own coach, that you're stuck with Philbin. If

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Speaker 1: we if we have to hear Eric Mangini press conferences

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Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, again, you guys are gonna be

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Speaker 1: looking for a fourth member of the By the way, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: Ireland is not going anywhere. Gingers cannot be killed by

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Speaker 1: conventional weapons. It's proven time and time again. Ireland safe

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins inclamation. The Dolphins are one of those teams

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Speaker 1: that reminds me it's a lot of times when you

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Speaker 1: lose the games, not how many games you lose. If

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Speaker 1: the Jets were eight and six and lost in the

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Speaker 1: same way that the Dolphins lost their last two games,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're, you know, celebrate, They're certainly

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Speaker 1: not celebrated. I don't know if Rex Ryan is staying.

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Speaker 1: You know, if if the Dolphins, if you reversed it,

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Speaker 1: then I think everyone's feeling this stupid momentum. I don't

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Speaker 1: really buy that. It's like Jon Gruden when he went

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Speaker 1: nine and seven in his last year in Tampa. He

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Speaker 1: lost the last four. It's all about when you lose

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Speaker 1: those games, and this this vague sense of, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: going into the off season with optimism, makes such a

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Speaker 1: big difference. That's true, but there's also the incognito Martin

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Speaker 1: factor too. Uh. Coach Mike Munchek, as of right now,

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Speaker 1: remains employed by the Tennessee Titans, but that is very

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Speaker 1: much up in the air, and he's been part of

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Speaker 1: organizational meetings this week, um meeting with a new Titan

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Speaker 1: CEO and president Tommy Smith. Apparently there's some heat with

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator about how he uh factors into this

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Speaker 1: and whether he can lead to some friction between the

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Speaker 1: two sides. How do we see this plan though? Cut

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Speaker 1: the fish loose. They're just torturing him. I think they

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Speaker 1: it's a tough decision because he's been with the Titans

486
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Speaker 1: and previously the Oilers for like thirty two years. They

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Speaker 1: drafted him. I mean, he's it's not the same as

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Speaker 1: partying ways with a three year disaster and you've got

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Speaker 1: a new young owner coming in that needs to make

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Speaker 1: a tough decision. But they are dragging their heels. It

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Speaker 1: felt weird when they asked Bunchack about it and he

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Speaker 1: didn't know where Tommy Smith was. They asked him Smith

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Speaker 1: and Nashville, you know when you're gonna meet him. Later

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Speaker 1: that day it came out that they would be meeting

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Speaker 1: this week. Uh. But they're kind of old school, the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: you know, which we can talk about two that's up

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Speaker 1: in the air. These are two old school teams that

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Speaker 1: the old owners have passed away Al Davis and Bud Adams.

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Speaker 1: But they're not operating under the old rules. They're they're

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Speaker 1: kind of waiting and seeing and they're not a in

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Speaker 1: a huge hurry to make a decision. I feel like

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Speaker 1: this is just how do these teams, especially the Titans Raiders,

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Speaker 1: who have been out of the mix for weeks, how

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Speaker 1: do they How are they not decided at this point?

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Speaker 1: And aren't you falling behind the rest of these teams

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Speaker 1: that get a head start going after? One factor is

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Speaker 1: if you are you know Mark Davis, and in the

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Speaker 1: back of your mind you want one of these guys

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Speaker 1: that's still in the playoffs, a coordinator type person. You know,

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Speaker 1: all these teams that make a decision in twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: the guy you might want is three weeks away from

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Speaker 1: being available. It's true. Greg Roman is out there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all the best coaches in theory, a lot of them

514
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Speaker 1: are are in the playoffs. And Mark Davis cracked me

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Speaker 1: up with this interview, and I loved it. He really

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Speaker 1: embodies the spirit of Al Davis. And he said basically

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Speaker 1: that he expects Alan to be back, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: want to totally shut the door. He wasn't for sure.

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Speaker 1: And he said, in a couple of weeks, you never know,

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Speaker 1: maybe John Madden will become available. I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to watch the playoffs. He's making jokes about it, and

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Speaker 1: it's totally out of the Al Davis playbook. And I

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Speaker 1: actually don't think you need to be in that big

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Speaker 1: a hurry. Why do you need to be in hurry?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I will say my favorite part of

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Week, and I won't get too much into it,

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Speaker 1: is seeing Mark Davis all week. I love that guy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: an interesting character, league figure creeping in all right. So

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Speaker 1: then and then there are three teams that we have

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Speaker 1: on the tracker that are safe. We know that Rex

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Speaker 1: Ryan's coming back to the Jets. Tom Coughlin is not

532
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Speaker 1: going anywhere. He'll be back for another year with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys are a little interesting to me that

534
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Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett is seemingly safe, and it's surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: I thought that he was going to be gone, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't seem like it's gonna be the case. Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones says he never even considered it. He said he

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Speaker 1: decided weeks ago that Garrett was gonna stay and never

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Speaker 1: even cried. He said it never even crossed his mind

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Speaker 1: to replace Garrett. He said today he's confident. He's like,

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Speaker 1: we're doing a little bit better than most of those

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Speaker 1: teams that fired their coaches. He did. He did point

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Speaker 1: out that Garrett had a better record than I think

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Speaker 1: all the fired head coaches, including Mike Shanahan, who's won

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Speaker 1: a couple of titles. He pointed that out. They also

546
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Speaker 1: asked him about his job as a GM and he

547
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Speaker 1: said he thought he handled the salary cap issues very well.

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Speaker 1: One quick thing on Dells, like they keep saying to

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Speaker 1: say about himself, They're not going to get rid of

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Speaker 1: Garrett because they've been invest said all this money into

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Speaker 1: him over the years. Is it really that much more

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Speaker 1: money than they've invested in what would have been their

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Speaker 1: previous head coach or someone else. Is that really the issue? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's part of it. There's gotta

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Speaker 1: be a pride factor evolved. Jerry Jones Ham picked Jason

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Speaker 1: Garrett a long time ago, brought him up, groomed him.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to admit that you've failed in that regard.

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Speaker 1: He seems like he's been there so long, but he

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Speaker 1: actually has only been the coach for three full years.

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Speaker 1: His full his three full years were all eight and eight.

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Speaker 1: That's the Jason Garrett era. And then he were in

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Speaker 1: there as offensive coordinator before the backup. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got a long history there. It feels like I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying you couldn't make the argument he hasn't been given

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Speaker 1: that long of a window. It's been three years. It's

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Speaker 1: just crazy because it ends the it's the exact same

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Speaker 1: every season. There's no reason to think that they've made

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Speaker 1: any progress. So we just doing some math. We actually

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Speaker 1: forked nine of these twelve teams that we just went

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Speaker 1: through big year for the fork. The fork lives, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. The A t L Crew forked god knows

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Speaker 1: how many teams, about fifteen teams or so, and they

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Speaker 1: all died and none of them came back in and

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Speaker 1: we will bring back the series in two thousand fourteen,

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Speaker 1: much to my excitement. Well we can thank the referees

576
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Speaker 1: in the Kansas City Chargers game for that, damn said

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Speaker 1: the Ryan Suffolk Suffix suck up spork ard. It trailed

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Speaker 1: through the sport on the missed field goal as well. Greg,

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Speaker 1: you saw, I was almost in um a state of

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Speaker 1: denial as they were lining up for that game winning

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Speaker 1: field goal the Chiefs, which would have allowed the Steelers

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Had the Chargers loss and then the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: who we fourd, would have destroyed the Fork series. I

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Speaker 1: was in denial. I was very upset about it. I

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Speaker 1: was ready to use uh this microphone to turn the

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Speaker 1: people again, the other men in this room, and bring

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Speaker 1: back the Fork, regardless of the promise that we made.

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Speaker 1: But it didn't have to come to that, and that's

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Speaker 1: probably good. We learned a lot about Dan when the

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Speaker 1: pressure was on Sunday afternoon, because I've never seen him

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Speaker 1: so panicked. I think he was getting upset with me.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying, how you know, the Fork, the

593
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Speaker 1: whole Fork series was about to die because the Steelers

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make it to the playoffs. And Dan immediately

595
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Speaker 1: started bargaining. He's like, well, we're not really gonna kill it?

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Speaker 1: Are Stone matter? It was like, we got to bring

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Speaker 1: it back. I mean, I know we said that. I

598
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Speaker 1: said we said that all year. If we killed that,

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Speaker 1: we I have confidence we can come up with another

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Speaker 1: great segment. I mean, we're gold that we can live on.

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Speaker 1: This podcast can survive. We said it. We have to

602
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: be men of our words. Chris Wesley agreed, Mark agreed.

603
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Speaker 1: Dan did not want to hear anything of it. I

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Speaker 1: believe the exact phrase was integrity is overrated. Well I

605
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: had already, yeah, I was already going Marcavelly and this

606
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Speaker 1: is right before suck up missed the kick because I

607
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Speaker 1: that it's something that the listeners like, and you guys

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Speaker 1: were gregg it said that it had to be a

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Speaker 1: unanimous vote if we're ever gonna keep it going, if

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Speaker 1: we blew the fork. But however, I was gonna use

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Speaker 1: Twitter to create an avalanche of support. Is your bully

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Speaker 1: pulpit as a bully pulpit exactly? But instead I didn't

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Speaker 1: need to go down that route, So perhaps it was great. However,

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Speaker 1: you guys did learn a lot about me. What would

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Speaker 1: happen is like a foxhole? Yes, if there's ever a

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Speaker 1: Lord of the Fly situation, I'm not letting you have

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Speaker 1: the conk. So you are. You are the first person

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Speaker 1: actually that someone would say that's a guy would not

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Speaker 1: want to be in a foxhold, And actually I kind

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Speaker 1: of like that quality. Hey, foxholes are overrated. Foxholes are

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Speaker 1: over What are you doing in a foxhole in the

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Speaker 1: first place. That's not a very secure place to be.

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Speaker 1: The football gods spoke, I mean that the football gods

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Speaker 1: wanted to keep this segment going. And we heard from

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Speaker 1: a lot of our Twitter followers, which I was a

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Speaker 1: little surprised and impressed that you guys really liked the

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Speaker 1: fork series. So that's good. You were worried that it

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Speaker 1: was gonna die. And then the football gods are they're smart.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason why the NFL is number one. You know.

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Speaker 1: They called forward progress. They called the fake an evil

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Speaker 1: dictator right now, by the way, was the most botched

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Speaker 1: call of the entire year. The penalty. You're getting too

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Speaker 1: caught up. That's what happens, you know, in fairness, suck up.

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Speaker 1: Might have missed the thirty six yard two? Does that's true?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you know it's but they made this come back.

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Speaker 1: It was great. Thank you at Gridiron Zeus, Gridiron zeus.

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Speaker 1: Who's that football gods? O? Good? Um? Yeah? Before and

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Speaker 1: before we get off this topic, we'll never get it

639
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Speaker 1: right again. By the way, I've decided this is really

640
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: hard to get them all right. And we got it

641
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: by the skin of our teeth. This year we forked

642
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: I think fifteen teams and we got it right. We

643
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't get it right last year missed too when we

644
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: bring it back next year. I can almost guarantee we

645
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: won't do it. That's the allure of it. Yes, it

646
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just seemfully conservative. Then we were this year and picking

647
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: teams Steelers listed one chance at the time we forked

648
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: them or something crazy like that. So much had to happen.

649
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: It just made it. It's going to help our ratings.

650
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I like it alright. Moving on, So it's New Year's Eve.

651
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: As we said earlier in the program, I had sent

652
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: an email earlier this morning an idea for today's show

653
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: to talk about New Year's resolutions for all of us.

654
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: That was shot down in the words of my boss

655
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: as quote cliche. So we are not doing that. However,

656
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: we will do something that's almost like a crude fac simile,

657
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: which is a story that's going up on the website

658
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: that we we worked on this weekly twisting modest products online.

659
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: You could not have twisted this anymore. We have a

660
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: post going up this week. Is it today, Greg? That

661
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: it's going up what we liked in two thousand thirteen

662
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: and what we're looking forward to in two thousand and four.

663
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: It will be going up on Tuesday evening, New Year's Eve.

664
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: So unless you're listening to the right. When it comes out,

665
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: it should be up there. It'll be on their New

666
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Year's Day, front and center. And we're looking back and

667
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: we're looking forward. What are what are some things were

668
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: excited about? So why don't we go around the room?

669
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Since we all took a stance on both thirteen and fourteen, Greg,

670
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: you started off, what did you love about? It? Sounds

671
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: like a stupid answer, But I like the crazy finishes.

672
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I like the crazy finish to the season. I like

673
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: that we're getting so used to the crazy finishes to

674
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: the game. Games are closer than they ever have been,

675
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Games are within one score in the fourth quarter, almost

676
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: more than it's ever been. All these coaches that got

677
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: fired could have had winning teams if a few things

678
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: broke differently. And that's the NFL that we're living in now,

679
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and we're just used to it now. It wasn't totally

680
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: like this ten years ago, where every other game would

681
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: be that bonkers, and it's backed up by the numbers.

682
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: There's such a little difference between the top of the

683
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: league in the bottom of the league, and I like that.

684
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Some people call it mediocrity, some people will call it parody.

685
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: The other thing I like them is gonna go for two?

686
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Because Kevin Patrick threw this in there. He's not here alright.

687
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: He talked about Chip Kelly and the Eagles. I love

688
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: the fact that chip Kelly came in, he did his thing.

689
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he revolutionized the game, but I

690
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: think he's stuck to what he believes in and he

691
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: proved everyone that was on him wrong. And he's lit

692
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: it up. And now we get some original thinkers. Maybe

693
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: coming into the NFL, you can do things a different ways.

694
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: You mentioned chip Kelly original thinker. My favorite thing about

695
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen was Riverboat Ron's football epiphany, which

696
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: happened around week two. Kelly is an outside the box thinker.

697
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: He's a critical thinker. He's been this way his whole life.

698
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: This is who he is. Riverboat Ron was the most

699
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: conservative coach in the NFL, arguably. A week before his epiphany,

700
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Mark wrote an article saying that Riverboat Ron failed to

701
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: see the advantages of chip Kelly's offense. I don't understand

702
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: what advantage you get out of being fast paced. Uh.

703
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: A week later, he's talking about touchdowns are more valuable

704
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: than field goals. You can't settle for a field goal.

705
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: He had been the second most conservative coach in the

706
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: NFL and fourth downs over his previous thirty four games

707
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: as head coach, suddenly started going for fourth downs. Said,

708
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: I've been playing it by the book my whole life.

709
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: He was raised by Mike Dicken and Lovey Smith in

710
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: the NFL coaching fraternity. He couldn't be anymore high bound

711
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: on plane by the book. And a week later he's

712
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: citing a professor from cal Berkeley on the conventional wisdom

713
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL and fourth downs has been wrong all along.

714
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: To me, it was just like so fascinating to see

715
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: a guy ditch his lifelong belief and how football was

716
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: played in key situations and be open minded enough to

717
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: approach approach it from another angle that might be a

718
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: better That really got his team fired up and went

719
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: on an eight game winning street. But did he do

720
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: it for good? That's what I'm worried about. I don't

721
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: know if you've watched that Week seven team game, because

722
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: Riverboat Ron was about as conservative as it gets, and

723
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: it could have killed him. It should have cost them

724
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: a bye if not for the stupid snap by the

725
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Atlanta Center when Matt Ryan didn't know what was coming.

726
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: The fact that Rivera would not throw a pass and

727
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: the last two drives almost killed them. So you're saying

728
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: a leopard can't change his spots. He just defalse to

729
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: who he naturally is in key situation. He went to

730
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: a fourth for fourth out in that game too. But

731
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I just worry that in a big spot he got

732
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: really conservative. Says he has a list of thirty priorities

733
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: for all situations, and he goes down the list and

734
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: factors them all in. So maybe that situation he just

735
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't on his thirty list. Are you guys saying,

736
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: are you guys saying that the riverboat is kind of

737
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: petered out and now it's like that Carnival cruise where

738
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: it's stalled and people are doing number two and say

739
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: it started in Cincinnati, was just now about to get

740
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: to New Orleans. The sight of last year. I'm a

741
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: little worried when you know, the the waves start getting

742
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: a little bigger and it's a stormy season, that he's

743
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: just gonna turn around and head right back. We almost

744
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: got her out of his seat there. I'm glad that

745
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: we we moved on. Uh you know, listen, I don't

746
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: know if we have Riverboat run in the way that

747
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: we do now if that defense didn't do what it

748
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: does in Carolina and and my thing is probably the

749
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: some of the front sevens that popped up not entirely

750
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, but really bloom this season A and Caroline.

751
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: I think we saw right away in that preseason game

752
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: against the Ravens where it was like, wait a minute,

753
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: this defense is for real. I think that arguably that

754
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: defense has saved Rivera's job. I look at the Jets situation.

755
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: You take away that front seven and Rex Ryan doesn't

756
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: have a job right now. I think they saved Rex's job.

757
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I look at what potentially starts in Cleveland as a

758
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: good young line that fizzled out down late, but that

759
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: wasn't that they haven't had that ability to stop the

760
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: run in ten years there. Buffalo's defense is really interesting

761
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons that Dolphins aren't in the

762
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: playoffs right now. I like the young defenses. I see

763
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: all the offense stuff you're talking about, but you know what,

764
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: defense always one step behind. I think they're gonna find

765
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: a way to shut some of this ship Kelly business

766
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: down next season. Mark always a fan of the oversized

767
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: men I found. I'm not sure that's that's offensive Lineman

768
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: defensive one, the trench ward forget about the fox hole. Um,

769
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I love. It's a big year

770
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: for Uncle's Um drunk Arcle emerged as the air parent

771
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: to Stefan on weekend up Date for S and L.

772
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: John Stamos, Uncle Jesse back on tour at the Beach Boys.

773
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: But America's Uncle Peyton Manning. What a year. And I

774
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: know that everyone's talking about Peyton Manning, but I still

775
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: think that somehow everyone knows about what Manning has done

776
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: this year, setting all these records at thirty seven years old.

777
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: Somehow to me feel strangely still underappreciated. Um that's how

778
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: I feel anyway, and all this kind of rolls away

779
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: if he peters out in January again. I understand that,

780
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: but I don't think we should belittle no matter what happens,

781
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: what happened this season. This is an absurd record setting

782
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: season by a guy at an age when everyone is

783
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: usually either at the end of their career or retired.

784
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: Joe Namath was doing off Broadway at Jones Beach Amphitheater.

785
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: Damn Yankees when he was thirty seven years old. Joe

786
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Montana was a game manager in Kansas City. Uh Troy

787
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Aikman was in a booth with Jack Buck or excuse me,

788
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: Joe Buck. Look at Manny. He's the best quarterback alive.

789
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: Give him some credit. Who likes drunk uncle? I love

790
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: drunk uncle. That's the worst. That's what I love. SNL

791
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and that's one of the few fast forwards. Really, thing

792
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: that I heard in that entire diet tribe was Dan saying,

793
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel unappreciated, a little nugget in the middle of

794
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: all that it was all about you wrapped up in

795
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: a Peyton Manning speech. Really, did anyone else hear that?

796
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: So if I see Peyton Manning, he's gonna like, take

797
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: a quarter from behind my ear, or give me a

798
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: knuckle sandwich or something. I'll give you a knuckle sandwich.

799
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: He'll say something inappropriate to you. With Thanksgiving, jan say

800
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: yesterday that he's the uncle that wants to come over. True,

801
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: that's true. Little competition from it. I'm the uncle everyone

802
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: wants to have a drink with around the holidays. I

803
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: would rather have a drink with Peyton Manning's fair drink.

804
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if the best you can do is

805
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: John Stamos and drunk Uncle with Peyton Manning. I don't

806
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: know if it's been that strong a year. By the

807
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: way I took, I lifted that directly from the post

808
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: that will go up later today. I just realized what

809
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: it's like for Rick Riley, who gets paid like seven

810
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: point four billion dollars to just do a voice over

811
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: his crappy columns. I thought you meant to plagiarize yourself.

812
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, well that that too. Um. Alright, so let's

813
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: move forward, Mark, What are you making that face for,

814
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: like he's a sacred cow Rick Riley? No, I'm just thinking.

815
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: Is that your trajectory? I'll take it. I'll tell you what. No, No, well,

816
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: the house would be nice. All right, let's look forward

817
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: to two thousand fourteen. We'll start again with Greg. I'm

818
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: looking forward to more fourth downs and it sounds stupid.

819
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: We were talking about Ron Rivera going for it in

820
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: fourth down. Now I see coaches going for it on

821
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: their own thirty seven with like seven minutes left in

822
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: the game, and we don't even think twice about it.

823
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: That never happened before. It's been coming I've you guys

824
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: sit next to me on Sundays. All I do is

825
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: complained that people are punting too much and that they're

826
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: not being aggressive. And that's so conserved, and slowly it

827
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: is turning. It's a lot different than five years ago.

828
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: We don't think twice about them going for fourth and

829
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: two uncertain situations. Chip Kelly went for it on his

830
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: own twenty five at one point with a ton of

831
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: time left the game, and that didn't even make news.

832
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: It's changing from when Belichick did it, you know, five

833
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: years ago. Now against Indianapolis, it's changing. It's not that

834
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: big a deal anymore. How about when we all did

835
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: it in like Tech Mobile and Matt years, It's not

836
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: come on, they give you four downs. I remember the

837
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: the automated response from Summer All or Madden in those

838
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: games was like, I can't believe they're doing this all time,

839
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: in every game. I don't care about anything that chastise

840
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: me about my strategic decisions in a video game. They

841
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: need to see riverboat Ron's that's Professor, very true. West. Well,

842
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, the shortest memories in America belong to football fans.

843
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: Robert Griffin, the third what I'm looking forward to is

844
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: his furious vengeance in two thousand and fourteen. We forget

845
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: that he was the most dynamic player in the NFL.

846
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: He was. He was the most charismatic possibly in the NFL,

847
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: the most exciting guy to watch, and really the best

848
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback I've ever seen. So I'm looking forward. He's

849
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: not the first guy to suffer suffer through an A

850
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Speaker 1: c L injury and not play well. Tom Brady took

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Speaker 1: a while to come back from his A c L injury,

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to him really turning it around

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Speaker 1: next year. By the way, you because we Greg, you

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Speaker 1: said you wanted us not to repeat in the post

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Speaker 1: in an email chain we had today, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: do that r G three one because I feel the

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Speaker 1: same way as you. I'm really excited to see him

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Speaker 1: potentially get his swerve back. You like to bury guys

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Speaker 1: before they should be beared. Remember Randy mosson Oakland, and

860
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Speaker 1: then he comes in and sets the NFL record for

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Speaker 1: touchdown receptions. Everyone decided he was done and Griffin could

862
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Speaker 1: be the symbol of that whole class. I mean Kaepernick.

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Speaker 1: I think the sky is still the limit for him

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Speaker 1: in terms of taking a big step and as good

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Speaker 1: as Luck and Wilson have been this year, don't you

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Speaker 1: think that they can just take it to a whole

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Speaker 1: another Okay, now we're talking about them as they're legitimately

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Speaker 1: one of the couple best quarterbacks in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the next step is to start doing what guys like Breeze,

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Speaker 1: Peyton and Manning do and that might take a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. Um, I'm looking forward to This is a

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Speaker 1: little more personal. I'm looking forward to Rex Ryan another

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Speaker 1: season with the Jets. I was really, um worried that

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Speaker 1: they were going to react poorly off a non playoff

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00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: season and not see the forests of the trees on

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Speaker 1: the situation. But they did. They got it. He's coming

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Speaker 1: back and I think it's a good sign for the

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Speaker 1: franchise and it it just makes me feel like they

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Speaker 1: know what they're doing and it's good. And I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like happy passing it off to you, Mark Um,

881
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: especially you, but to get that stink off the Jets

882
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: as the the laughing stock franchise, I feel like we're

883
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Speaker 1: starting to get back into the mix of just being

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Speaker 1: another team trying to get better as opposed to being

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Speaker 1: in the cross airs of ridicule. Yeah, I feel like

886
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Speaker 1: now I know how Dan was feeling for months on end,

887
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: where your franchise that you've rooted for since you were

888
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Speaker 1: a child is just land based as a clown car.

889
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: He'll get back to it next stop season after they're

890
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: miserable five and eleven year. Let me tell you what

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00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited for. And you know, look, r G three

892
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: is exciting everything, but he's old news because we got

893
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Johnny Football coming into the scene next year. Hasn't declared yet,

894
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess there's a what zero percent

895
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: chance that he would stay in college. Guys coming in

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Speaker 1: the pros and there's four or five teams right at

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Speaker 1: the top of the draft order that need a quarterback,

898
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: and we don't know where he's gonna go. But anyone's saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna go in the middle of the first round.

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00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. Haven't we seen enough

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Speaker 1: where even average quarterbacks get elevated. Jake Locker blamed Gabber

902
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Speaker 1: getting picked in the top twelve or thirteen, way farther

903
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: than they should have. Johnny Football. Someone's gonna lock onto

904
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Speaker 1: this guy and even trade up for him. I think

905
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Speaker 1: if they want him, and I just I think he's

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Speaker 1: Tebow but a better player in terms of the attention

907
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Speaker 1: level he's gonna draw. His name is Johnny Football. That's

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Speaker 1: my only concern. By the way, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: cons there's a lot of consult the Tebow parallel, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever become the pop culture sensation

911
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Speaker 1: of Tebow because the Jesus factor is not involved, which

912
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Speaker 1: was like the really underlying thing with all the Tebow.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think Manzel will instantly become one of

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Speaker 1: the most famous athletes in America. If not, he kind

915
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Speaker 1: of already is. But he's like, because he's he's at

916
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Speaker 1: you go and you search for him, and there's stuff

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Speaker 1: all out that you wouldn't want your nineteen year old

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Speaker 1: doing if you sent them off to which necessarily if

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Speaker 1: I were you, I would copyright Naughty Tibo right now. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he make some bad team relevant because

921
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Speaker 1: whatever team gets him is suddenly on television three or

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Speaker 1: four times. I couldn't agree with you more. I'll be

923
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Speaker 1: shocked if he's not one of the first three picks

924
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Speaker 1: in the draft. I don't care what people are saying now,

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Speaker 1: by the time the draft comes, somebody's gonna fall in

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Speaker 1: love with him and move up or draft him early.

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Speaker 1: Can we have a lot more fun to watch than

928
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Speaker 1: Tebow Tibow? You know, the games were interesting because they

929
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Speaker 1: were bizarre to see in the NFL, but it wasn't

930
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Speaker 1: fun to watch Johnny football is fun. Can we chip

931
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Speaker 1: in our money and pay for a like a community

932
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Speaker 1: college business course for Sessler? So he realizes that getting

933
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Speaker 1: a copyrighted trademark is not just looking into your mic

934
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Speaker 1: and going trademark. Listen, why don't we spend the money

935
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Speaker 1: on a lawyer to get that done by nightfall? Why

936
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Speaker 1: put me through an entire college course to learn that?

937
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Speaker 1: Can I give what I'm not looking forward to fourteen?

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to the looks on your faces

939
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Speaker 1: as I watched the Patriots lose the Super Bowl in

940
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Speaker 1: New York, because I just feel like that's that's what's coming.

941
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Speaker 1: I think you'll be lucky if you're just going to

942
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: be annoying problems that are so far and above beyond

943
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Speaker 1: what we're ever dealt with. This is like Shianna's kids

944
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Speaker 1: not being able to afford the best prep school in

945
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Speaker 1: the city. I guess if we're gonna say what we're

946
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Speaker 1: not looking forward to. I'm not looking forward to on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network in mid June, the is ELI still elite roundtable?

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Speaker 1: What's coming to wait till June? That's better that if

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Speaker 1: you want to have some fun Google instant debate. Wesley

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Speaker 1: knows where I'm going with this instant debate. Who it's better,

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Speaker 1: Peyton or Eli? NFL dot Com two thousand and thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I have never been more proud of a contribution into

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Speaker 1: anything in my life. It is It is a is

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00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: a treat. I've never been more proud of looking at

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Speaker 1: this article, running directly to Greg and saying we better

956
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Speaker 1: get a voice in this. It's a disaster, all right,

957
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: do you have enough hints to look it up? Um?

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Speaker 1: All right, that's it for Tuesday's show. Happier New Year's

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Speaker 1: to all the listeners. We will be back on Thursday, correct,

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00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: and that will be Obviously we'll do some more coaching chatter,

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Speaker 1: but then we're I think in earnest we will spin

962
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Speaker 1: forward and talks and playoff football. It's playoff football time.

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00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm excited. You know, I would games for like ten

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Speaker 1: minutes at a time. I'm gonna start getting demonstrative, like

965
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Speaker 1: Greg waving my hands, jumping out of my chair. It's

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Speaker 1: playoff time. Yeah, I get ready, Get ready, everybody get excited.

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Speaker 1: We know you are anyway, So we'll we'll be here

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Until then. This is then hands as signing

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Speaker 1: off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss, the gold

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Speaker 1: standard until seriously, burn this, burn this sac