1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hude, Giants dot Com, 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: and the Giants Mobile, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the newest edition of The Giants Huddle Podcast. John Smoke 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: with you. Today's guest former NFL executive and current analyst 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: for NFL Network Scott Poli. Scott, welcome to the show. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: It's good to see. I hope you and your family 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: are well. Hey, John, thanks for having It's great to 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: be here, and I got the family is doing very 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: very well. Once we all get situated here in our 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: new home, everything will be perfect. Thank you. And of 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: course Scott former executive for the Patriots, Chiefs, the Falcons. 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: Is a longer list that I could go through, but 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I'll be here for the first ten minutes 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: of the interview. Scott's done a lot in his time 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. You just can't mention that 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: other team in the area that you work and live in. Yeah, well, 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven to two thousand with the Jets, is that right? 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Three seasons? Yeah, very good. We share a stadium. We're 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: on good terms. It's okay, all right, Scott. It's your 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: job in your profession and what you do to kind 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: of be able to take that twenty thousand foot view 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: of a franchise and where they are and where they're headed. 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: So I'll leave this as an open ended question. You 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: could take it anyway you want. When you look at 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: the Giants through that lens, what do you see? I 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: see a team trending in the right direction, quite honest, 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: because that they have a lot of things in place 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: that are really positive. And I think they've done a 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: good job this year. Actually, I love their draft in 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: terms of what they got in terms of players, but 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: also in terms of future currency. I like what they've 32 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: done improve their football team or from a personnel standpoint, 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: and I just really like the leadership group in charge, 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, both in on the coaching side of the ball, 35 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: in front office and of course ownership. So I see 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: a team that is starting to you know, bring back 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: um the what they what they've been looking for the 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: last several years. So I see it trending in a really, 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: really positive direction. I know you did not overlap with 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: Joe Judge when he was with the Patriots. You know, 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, a long time figure contacts in the league. 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: The sense that I get and this is not to 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, be negative about you know, Pat Shermer, who 44 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: is a great guy to coach. I feel like there 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: is a real symmetry between Joe, Judge and Dave Gettleman 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: and how they want to play football and build a 47 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: roster and eight do you agree with that and be 48 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: how important is to have that symmetry between head coach 49 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: and general manager to get where you want to go. Well, 50 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: a couple of things there, John. You know, first of all, yeah, 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: I've known Dave since since Dave was the head coach 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: at Socrates High School. And I'm from washington Ville, New York. UM, 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: so we're both in Section nine. But uh, and I 54 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: do know Joe fairly fairly well from You probably know 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: Charles Davis from those days too, right you know Charles, Yeah, 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: Charles is a year older. I mean Charles was the 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this, Charles I think was the greatest 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: high school athlete. UM quite possibly be coming out definitely 59 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: have Section nine, but one of the greatest thing in 60 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: state of New York. He was All State in football, 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: all basketball, baseball at Newpault's High School. And again he 62 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: was a year older me. So we always have this 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: ongoing we're we're undefeated one year and they were I 64 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: think eight and two in a different league than us. 65 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: And he likes to tell us that, You tell me 66 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: that they would have beat us beep watching the high school, 67 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: we would beat him like a drum though. So that's 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: an ongo. The Charles is, uh what Charles is an 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: amazing athlete, a guy for again from Section nine went 70 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: to play on play football at the SEC school at 71 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee. Even rare really were Anyway, I digress, 72 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: But to get back to your question, um, there is 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: symmetry there. It sure looks like they have a lot 74 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: of things that are aligned in terms of the partnership. 75 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Because you know, regardless of what the hierarchy is within 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: an organization, whether the general managers here and the head 77 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: coaches here, or it's splipped or whatever it is, it 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: should be even and whenever that time comes, and even 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: if again, if the general manager hires the head coach. 80 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that once the head coaches are hired, 81 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: the general manager becomes a servant eader to the head coach, 82 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, the players are 83 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna respond to the head coach. And what they're doing. 84 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: So the general manager's job is to oversee all the things, 85 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: to make the head coach's job easier, to have less 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: noise for the head coach, and to bring the head 87 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: coach players. And it looks like that they're doing a 88 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: pretty good job there, you know. And I look at 89 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: you mentioned Pat Shermer, and I will say this. I 90 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: know Pat, I've known him for a long time. You know, 91 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: sometimes people don't succeed in certain situations because the timing 92 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: isn't just right. Pat Sherman's a heck of a football coach. 93 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: The Giants have had a number of good coaches, a 94 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: number of good general managers for whatever reason. If there's 95 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: not that symmetry that you're talking about, if that's not 96 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: happening at the right time, and or if there's other issues, 97 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: good coaches could not work cannot work. Sometimes good general 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: managers may not be able to work out sometimes. So 99 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: sometimes it takes this confluence, John, of multiple things for 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: good leaders to to, you know, to manifest themselves into 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: having success. Yeah, and I think let's start stick with 102 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: the leadership. Then, you know, Joe Judge, he's brought I 103 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: think what a lot of people consider to be the 104 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote Patriot Way down to to MetLife Stadium. Patrick 105 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: Grahams from that tree as well. How would you describe that? 106 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? The Patriot way or 107 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: I think the Patriot ways. Here's the thing again, Bill 108 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: and I worked together for seventeen years. We were at 109 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots beginning together UM in two thousands of the 110 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: first nine years. And it's I don't I'm not big 111 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: on catchphrases because there's so many things. There was a 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: culture that was instilled and installed in New England that 113 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: wasn't just about the leadership or the leader of UM 114 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: Bill individually, or Bill and myself or Bill, Ernie Adams 115 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: and myself and the you know and and Charlie. There 116 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: was a there was also a buy in from our 117 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: locker room that was a part of the Patriots culture. Again, 118 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: I know the phrase culture is overused, but so is 119 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: the phrase Patriot way. And again, all that really was 120 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: UM is it wasn't that different from John from some 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: other things the giants have seen this. What the way 122 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: things were at the Patriots UM and probably still are, 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: was an extremely intense heightened sense of accountability and that 124 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: accountability led to trust between players and coaches and everyone. 125 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: So if you go back to the Giant's history when 126 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: it was under Bill Parcels, there was a hyper hyper accountability. 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: Under Tom Coughlin, there was that same thing at the Patriots. 128 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: That's what we had Joe Judge and hey, you know 129 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Nick Saban wasn't a part of the New England Patriots, 130 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: but he has that where he where he is. You know, 131 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: you look around the NFL, there's people that were never 132 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: a part of of the Patriots, you know, of that 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Patriots situation who have each Chokyle Shanahan was not a 134 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: part of quote unquote the Patriot Way, but Kyle I 135 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: worked with Kyle, and I know Kyle, and I know 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: his dad, and I know how his dad's set up was. 137 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: That the Broncos Kyle has a very intense level of 138 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: accountability not only from players to coaches, players to players, 139 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: but coaches to players as well everyone in those organizations. 140 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: So to me, I I I don't know about the 141 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: whole the Patriot Way thing um. And that's coming from 142 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: someone who was again a part of it and part 143 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: of building it. It was just to me the way 144 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: that things should be, which is this is a game 145 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: of accountability and enter. You know, it's interdependent relationships and 146 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: one can't work without the other, and people can't succeed 147 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: without the help of others. And that's more of what 148 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: it's about. John. I I hope that's not I hope 149 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: that answers the questions of what it is. And I 150 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: know that Joe Judge believes in those things. I know 151 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: that the I believe. I don't like to say that 152 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: I know because I've never worked with the Giants organization 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: or the marriage and the tissues, but I believe that's 154 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: what they're all about, and I know that's what Dave 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: is all about. No, Scott, you answered it perfectly, and 156 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: I think you took the cliche and you defined them 157 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, which was exactly what I was looking for. 158 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: And you know, it does remind me of a lot. 159 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: I've been in the Giants building since two thousand and seven, 160 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: so I know what it was like on the Tom 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: Coplin and you know what I've but yeah, I guess 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: I did um And you know you have even for 163 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: someone that you know it's not in football operations or 164 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: is that extra sense of intensity and you want to 165 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: do everything the right way because you feel like Tom 166 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: is judging you every every step that you take, and 167 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: the guy is so every I never say anything like that. 168 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin has six sets of eyes that are arranged 169 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: on all parts. He sees everything. But that's part of it. 170 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: And the accountability. Yes, the other part I want to 171 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: get you with is the teaching aspect quick because I 172 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: know you see it, but it's um. You know, when 173 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about Tom judging, you are judging people. It's 174 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: not really judging. And I think that's what happens is 175 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: there's a sense of a standard that is required to 176 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: work in those organizations, and everyone knows what the standard is, 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: and people start to to let that standard and that 178 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: expectation of what is acceptable and what is what isn't acceptable, 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: and again the accountability, and and some people start to 180 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: take that the wrong way and they feel like they're 181 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: being judged. They feel like they're being and really it's 182 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: not a matter of being judged. That's just the way 183 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: it is. And if we're going to succeed, that's how 184 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. This isn't about anyone being mean, This 185 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: isn't about anyone being right. It's it's a this is 186 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: what the standard is if you can reach a standard, gosh, 187 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: jump in, let's go. If you can't, I'm not judging 188 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: you as a human being or saying that you're less 189 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: than all we're saying, or all he says, this gig 190 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: probably isn't for you. So it's it's but again, I 191 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: think people start to take it personally when it's not 192 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: really a personal thing. No, it absolutely isn't personal. It's 193 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a high standard of personal accountability, I guess to be 194 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: the best way to put it right, personal and professional, 195 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: correct and and and that and that, and that's what 196 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to reach. The other part of it too, 197 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: I think Scott is something that Joe Judge is stressed 198 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: a lot. And this goes to coaching more than I 199 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: guess the front office part of it you can speak 200 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: to it is the teaching aspect. And we had Justin 201 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: Tuck on the show last week and he talked about, hell, 202 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: look the best coach teams of the teams that are 203 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: good year and year out. And I think when they 204 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: talk about the type of players are trying to bring in, 205 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: they say, we hold our players to a higher standard. 206 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: We expecting to do extra film work, were expecting to 207 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: do a little bit more, and we're not going to 208 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: bring guys into the organization that aren't able to meet 209 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: that standard that we demand from ourselves and we demand 210 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: from our players. So, as someone that works with a 211 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: coach like that and is the front office, how do 212 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: you go about trying to find the right players that 213 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: can succeed in that environment, because you can be super 214 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: talented but still not be built to succeed in that 215 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: type of environment. John, that is an awesome question. And 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: again I go back to the original statement that whoever 217 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: is in charge of the player personnel acquisition needs to 218 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: find players that are You need to serve the head 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: coach and the coaching staff to bring them the players 220 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: that they can best work with, because there are players 221 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: that are good players, but they just don't fit into 222 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: certain circumstances or situations or cultures and the culture of 223 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: what Joe Joe Judge comes from a background where he 224 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: knows and believes in player development, and players who are 225 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: not playing now at some point time are going to 226 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: be playing, whether whether that attrition happens through injuries, whether 227 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: it happens through them graduating to another team through free 228 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: agency or trade. So so, what you need to do 229 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: is know and understand your head coach and understand their strengths, 230 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: their limitations, their idiosyncrasy idiosyncrasies, what they believe in and 231 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and how that they What are the personality types and 232 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: players not just their physical abilities and skills. You have 233 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: to understand the emotional mental makeup of the players that 234 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: you're bringing in and whether those players are the type 235 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: of player that will be a part of how things 236 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: are being taught right, So not every player can come 237 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: into Joe's system, and they have to have a certain 238 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: degree and type of intelligence in order for them to develop. 239 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: They need to be have a certain amount of selflessness 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: they have to have. There's this thing that there there's 241 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: a mental makeup and an emotional makeup and the makeup 242 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: of the human being that has to match. So part 243 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: of that is not we can all figure out who 244 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the biggest, fastest, strongest people are. That stuff is easy. 245 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: We can also watch tape and just figure out who 246 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: the best football players are. But part of what you're 247 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: doing here is a chemistry experiment in terms of bringing 248 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: together the right type of players and for the head coach, 249 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: which was a big part of player acquisition. I know 250 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: in working with Bill for all those years, there were 251 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: certain players Bill had was very simple about his rules. 252 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Be on time, pay attention, work hard. Joe believes in 253 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: those things too. So what do you have to do. 254 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: You have to go out and get good football players 255 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: that are big football players, that are fast football players 256 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: that can be on time, pay attention, to work hard. 257 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: If they can't do that, it's probably not gonna work. 258 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: And to me, that's what they need to do is 259 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: understand Joe and and Joe is and I mean it's 260 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: in the in the best sense possible that Joe is 261 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: not a complicated guy. He's a simple guy. He loves football. 262 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: He wants football players to care about football and the 263 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: team and the greater good. And you know that's for 264 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: the personnel department to figure that out and find those guys. 265 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the personnel acquisition of it, 266 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: because obviously, to your point, you have to have the 267 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: leadership and the quote unquote culture, uh, the way of 268 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: going about things. But without the players that can play 269 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: the game, it doesn't really matter. Scott, So, how do 270 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: you feel about where the Giants roster is in terms 271 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: of where they've improved, where they're ready to go, and 272 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: just how Dave Gentleman has gone about building this roster 273 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: to where they are now during his time here when 274 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: he took over for Jerry Rice. Well, I think they're 275 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: doing a really good job. And here's part of it 276 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: is not every coach is the same. So again, as 277 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: we were just talking about you, you're bringing players that 278 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: have certain skill sets to match the philosophy on offense 279 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: and defense, the amount of flexibility that they want to 280 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: have with those things, but also to match make it 281 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: so now Dave has adjusted the players, and Dave and 282 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: his staff are adjusting the players that they want to 283 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: bring to what fits Joe and I like where it's at. 284 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, and I can't say this enough. 285 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: I love what Dave did this year where he got 286 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: a good player this year, he moved back and he 287 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: collected currency. Because the reality is this, Dave's been in 288 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: the league long enough to know and understand. You know, 289 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a lot of general managers we don't like to talk 290 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: about this, but the reality is a lot of our 291 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: picks don't work out right. So the more picks you have, 292 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the more opportunity you have to be right. You put 293 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: your ego aside, and you say, okay, let's collect picks 294 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: and and and pick a bunch of good players. And 295 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: some of them are gonna work out, some aren't. So 296 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: the fact that they traded back this year and still 297 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: got Cadarius Tony, who's a tremendous talent and can help 298 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: their speed, quickness and everything that they're gonna be trying 299 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: to do on offense gonna help you know, their quarterback. 300 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: We needed some more players with dynamic skills. But then 301 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: also picked up another first where they picked up the 302 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: first rounder next year and a fourth rounder in that deal, 303 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: and they put you know, brought in some good players. 304 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: I love their second round pick pass rusture from from Georgia. 305 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: So I like the players. What I see that they 306 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: did this year is they certainly improved their team speed, 307 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and that was clearly going to be Again I don't 308 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: know this, but looking at it, based on the players 309 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: that they brought into me, someone in there was saying, listen, 310 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: we need to improve our team speed and our overall 311 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: team athleticism and get good, you know, get fast, quick 312 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: players in here. And they did that. But they also 313 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: again I can't manage to say this enough. I love 314 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: what Day didn't trim of getting currency for the future. 315 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: All right, I agree. I think you can't argue with 316 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: the value. I think they maximize the value of all 317 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: their picks in the draft. They even moved back when 318 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: they selected as these ogl are. They picked them axt 319 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: your third round pick next year, so a dent Scott, 320 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: I agree with you. And that built off what they 321 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: did in free agency, and I think all of us 322 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: were a little taken aback by how aggressive they actually 323 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: were because we knew the cap was falling. The Giants 324 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: are generally not a franchise as you know, that likes 325 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: to move money back in contracts. They like to kind 326 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: of keep those contracts flat. They don't like to move 327 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: the money back. But they did what they had to do. 328 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: They go out there, they get Golladay, they get a 329 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Dory Jackson, they bring in Kyle Rudolph, sheltered a bunch 330 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: of other guys. What did you think about their aggressive 331 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: posture and free agency, which a lot of times isn't 332 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: that common for a team that is, you know, coming 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: off six and ten season, But it seemed like they 334 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: really thought they saw an opportunity in what was a 335 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: depressed market due to the cap and they tried to 336 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: take advantage. Yeah, because I think it was similar to 337 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the strategy of the Patriots had. Again, this was an 338 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: interesting buyer's market this year where because it was because 339 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: the cap space there wasn't that much league wise, So 340 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: the teams that were the players and created cap space 341 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: in or had cap space to be in. Yes, they 342 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: had to spend cash, but they were able to do 343 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: more for less in a year like this. Now, how 344 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: they didn't free agency, which you know what, here's what 345 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: I do like. They didn't go after a lot of 346 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: big name marquee creators. They went after guys with solid, 347 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: strong reputations. Now I say that we have to wait 348 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: and see how this is gonna work out, because how 349 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: all those pieces fit into the philosophy of what they're 350 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: doing defensively and what Jason Garrett is doing offensively. It'll 351 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: be very interesting to see that how that fits. But 352 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: what the other thing I love about the giant step 353 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: is they have, you know, a head coach and Jason 354 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: Garrett who's a long time former head coach that's running 355 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: the offense, and they know what they're looking for on 356 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, and they know what they're 357 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: trying to do so my my, my guess and belief 358 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: is that they build in those spots with the type 359 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: of players that they wanted. Again, it was a unique 360 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: year for the sat of the cap. But I'll say this, 361 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: whatever they paid this year, even though that they had 362 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: to do things from a cap standpoint to create cap room, 363 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: it's still going to be cheaper than what it's going 364 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: to be in twenty two and twenty three. So hopefully 365 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: they you know, I think part of the philosophy might 366 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: have been, let's lock players in at this you know, 367 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: this lower fixed rate now and it's still going to 368 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: be cheaper in the future. We don't like to do 369 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: this normally, but let's get into this market. And I'm 370 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: a person that believes because of something success we had 371 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots. You know, people don't realize this, but we 372 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: built those initial teams success through free agency that first 373 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl season in two thousand one. We signed twenty 374 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: three free agents that year, and people don't remember that 375 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: because we had some good players on the roster. We 376 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: had started the draft fairly well and then you know, 377 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: and even in at two thousand one season, when we 378 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: drafted Richard Seymour, than the first round Matt Light in 379 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: the second round. We had added Brady the year before 380 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and but then we built through free 381 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: agency and we filled that team very quickly, but we 382 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: did it at very very reasonable prices. Those twenty three players. 383 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: John cost us a total signing bonuses of the twenty 384 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: three guys only two point five million dollars. Now, the 385 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: cap was still with it's not what it is now, 386 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: but it wasn't that low then. So we went after good, 387 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: good football players that were cultural fits of with the 388 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: right guys makeup wise, and again we're good enough starters 389 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, which looks somewhat similar to 390 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: what the New York Giants may have done this year. 391 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: And I think one thing, and I'd like to talk 392 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: to you about this philosophically, with the way the league 393 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: is going, Scott, it seemed like the Giants put a 394 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: premium on trying to acquire guys that can make big plays, 395 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: because now in the NFL, without chunk plays, it's hard 396 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: to kind of go station the station and score consistently 397 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: in the league. And now the Giants have Sae Kwon 398 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Barkley about coming back off the injury. This year, they 399 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: signed Kenny Golladay, they get Candarius Tony in the draft. 400 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: How essential do you think it is in this modern 401 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: NFL to have an offense that can get those big 402 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: chunk plays, to be a top twelve, fifteen ten scoring 403 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: offense in the league, which really now is essential if 404 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: you do want to challenge for a Super Bowl. Yeah, John, 405 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I always I believe that you always have to have 406 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: a good defense, and I still do believe that the 407 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: defenses ken and will win championships. That being said, I'm 408 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: talking out of the other side of my mouth in 409 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: saying that, you now, offense is even more important because 410 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: the way that the league has changed rules and we 411 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: consistently are changing rules every single year to make things 412 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: easier for the offense and to make things for teams 413 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: to score more points. That's the the league has made 414 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: that the owners have made that that's what we're gonna do. 415 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna allow more you know, holding is going to 416 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: have a higher threshold of tolerance. You know, um, the 417 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: hits on the quarterbacks, the the past interference, there's a 418 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of things that we've done as a league to 419 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: really change and shift, um, the game. So I think 420 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: the smart teams are understanding, okay, we need to have 421 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: a dynamic offense, which always need that. It's just they 422 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: they you know, they believe they have the quarterback. And 423 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: now what we need to do is make sure that 424 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback has some players too, you know, some skilled players. 425 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of the word weapons. I'm 426 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: not I'm not big on using war phrases, you know, 427 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: and and you know when I speak about football, um 428 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: so to me, having more players with more skill and 429 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: speed and quickness and talent um to help Daniel Jones, 430 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: I mean it was important. Was clearly an important thing. 431 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: But that's smart because they're paying attention to the trends 432 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: in the league and the types of players that can 433 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: be successful. Yeah, playmakers are essential and the other thing 434 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: that's essential for a young quarterback. And this is a 435 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: good way to transition to Daniel. I think Scott is 436 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: to protect him up front. And right now the Giants 437 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: have a very young group of offensive lineman that Dave 438 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: Gentleman has put together. Will Hernandez, second round pick in eighteen, 439 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: the gates first year starting he was an undrafted free agent. 440 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: Shane Lemieu, Andrew Thomas, Matt pe All draft picks in 441 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: the draft. Then you have Nate Soldier's act full and 442 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: a couple of veterans some other guys that provide some 443 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: depth there. When you have a young offensive line, Davis 444 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: made the point that you gotta get these guys out 445 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: there and let them play to find out what you have. 446 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: What's the key to trying to develop a young group 447 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: together at a position where chemistry is so important, and 448 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: it's just being strong up front is so important, just 449 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: allowing every part of your offense to work. John, my 450 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: belief is the most important person is the offensive line coach. 451 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: You need to have talent. You need to have a strong, 452 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: smart offensive line coach that can not only develop players, 453 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: but can coordinate with the offensive coordinator what we need 454 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: to do or what they need to do from a 455 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: protection standpoint. And I'll tell you, John, I was very fortunate, 456 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: very blessed in all of my NFL years to be 457 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: around some terrific offensive line coaches that we're able to 458 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: take the talent that was given if you brought them 459 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: good enough players, players that were good enough in the 460 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: National Football League to play, but we're strong, smart and tough. 461 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: A good offensive line coach will make that happen, and 462 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: he will also coordinate with the coordinator what needs to 463 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: be helped in terms of protection, Where do we have 464 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: in certain situations, in certain games and certain matchups, What 465 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: do we need to do? Where do we need to chip? 466 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 1: Where do we need to motion? Where do we you know, 467 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: what can we do? I look, you know, and again 468 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: been very fortunate to be around you know, Dante Scarnaki 469 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: all those years at the Pages, but prior to that, 470 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Bill Muir at the New York Jets. Part of that, 471 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: it was Kirk Ference and Pat Hill, you know too, 472 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: tremendous NFL offensive line coaches that became very good college 473 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: head coaches. And you know, and and being with Bill 474 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Muir in Kansas City also, and then you know, in 475 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: my time in in Atlanta, you know, watching Chris Morgan 476 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: who is now the offensive line coach with the Pittsburgh Steelers, 477 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: but also how he worked with Kyle Shanahan who was 478 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: the master at at Let me back up here. You 479 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: need an incredible offensive line coach, and then your coordinator 480 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: has to be a really really good coordinator to know 481 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: where the limitations are and to help get you know, 482 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: help the edges health the inside. When you need them. 483 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: And what you can do is when you have a 484 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: back like Sa Kuan Kuan Barley Barkley, who is one 485 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: of the best National Football League, you can establish a 486 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: running game and then you work play action because play 487 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: action passed and I learned watching Mike Shanahan years go, 488 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: as you know, competing against him, the job that he 489 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: did and the job that Kyle does. He takes good 490 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: offensive line units where the sun is always better than 491 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: the parts, and a big part that also become what 492 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: you're doing becomes what you're doing with the running game, 493 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: and then off of play action. Kyle Shanahan's ability and 494 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: every offensive line coach has worked with his ability and 495 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: attention to detail in the passing game in terms of 496 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: the play action passing game off of the running game, 497 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: helps his offensive lineman be better football players as long 498 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: as they're smart and do what they're supposed to do. 499 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: That's the coaching part of it. From a player perspective, 500 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: the Giants have invested a lot of draft picks and 501 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: offensive lineman over the last decade. Some have not worked out, 502 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: they have not developed the way they want. Others have. 503 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: When you look at players, Scott, what makes you have 504 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: an inkling as to whether or not a players going 505 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: to be able to really develop and take big jumps 506 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: between their first and second year, second and thirty or whatever. 507 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: It is versus players where know what, maybe we don't 508 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: feel so great about this guy improving and developing as 509 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: an evaluator and somebody that puts a roster together. How 510 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: do you figure that out? What traits do players have 511 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: that allow you to figure out what guys you can 512 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: trust to actually get better when they show up the 513 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: following year. Mostly it's the guys that know what they 514 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: don't know and have a degree of confidence and humility. 515 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: And I know those things sound it sounds like contradiction, 516 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: but they need to have confidence in themselves. But they 517 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: also need to have the humility to know what they 518 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: don't know and know what they need to work on, 519 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: to know that they have limitations, and to know that 520 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: they've got to improve certain areas. Combine that with really 521 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: strong work ethic, because you can teach them the right 522 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: work habits, but if they have the right work ethic, 523 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: they will improve. So part of it again goes back 524 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: to the psychological makeup. You know, there's some players who 525 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: maybe don't have the right makeup, but their skills are 526 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: so insane that they develop and become better players just 527 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: because you know they they've been blessed with rare talent. 528 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: But mostly the best developmental players that I've seen again 529 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: have that combination of confidence and humility and are the 530 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: guys who sit there and listen to the teaching that 531 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: they're getting. And they're not the guys that that are. 532 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: You know, when they're being talked to by a coach 533 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: that they're going yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and and 534 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: they're not hearing their talking and said listening and it shows. 535 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: It's something you can observe when they're being coached, whether 536 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: or not they have a chance. And I don't know 537 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: if I'm articulating that well enough, but it's certainly something 538 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: you can see and hear, which is why I think 539 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: live scouting is so important and being on college campus 540 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: to see how players received the teaching that they're getting. 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How important is that for Daniel in terms 558 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: of being able to make that jump in his third year. 559 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: It's critical, It's huge. It's the second year in the 560 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: same system, It's a second year in one of a 561 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: coach in Jason in a position coach coordinator. Um that 562 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: I think Jason is one of the best developmental coaches 563 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: at that position, particularly in the NFL, for so many reasons. 564 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: So I think again, having Jason for a second year 565 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: being with the same offense in the same offense for 566 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: a second year is important. But here's the other thing. 567 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: This is and and this is not making excuses for 568 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: any players that were rookies last year or second year 569 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: of players. The reality is last year was a really 570 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: tough year to be a rookie or a second year 571 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: player because that year, in the second year where players 572 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: are supposed to make such a significant jump, Daniel didn't 573 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: have an off season with his teammates. He didn't have 574 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: it with his coaches. And again, and we can sit here, 575 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of players didn't and that's true, and that's 576 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm saying. At that position, it's really difficult. 577 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: So him, this is going to be a critical year 578 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: for him because he's having more offseason time with his coaches, 579 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: he's having more offseason time with his teammates if he wants, 580 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: and he has the ability to bond grow, get to 581 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: know guys simple things that that they didn't get to 582 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: spend time on, which is like checks at the line 583 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I mean the amount of work that goes 584 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: on between quarterbacks and receivers and other players when they 585 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: just make glances and they get a little hand movements 586 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: or a little nods or you know, wink wink that 587 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: our signals and are part of the communication. He's going 588 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: to have a chance to do that this year. And 589 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: what we do know about Danner is a really really 590 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: smart football player, and not just because of where he 591 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: went to college. He's a smart football player. So him 592 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: having that ability to communicate thoughtfully with his teammates and 593 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: the new players that he's brought in. I think it's 594 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: gonna make a big difference. The other thing is gonna 595 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: help it in his development is having say Kwan bark Barkley, 596 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: that is going to help him. It's gonna help him. 597 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: So Um, he's he's a young talent. And again I 598 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: will say this the one it's not even a criticism, 599 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: but the one thing that he still has to do 600 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: to for me to feel better about. I think he's 601 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: got all the tools. He's got all of it, and 602 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: to be a good quarterback is ball security. Once he 603 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: gets that figured out and and final it's which he will. Um, 604 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a good player. I just 605 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: trust the people around him and the coaching around him, 606 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: the organization around him, and the teammates around him that 607 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I think he'll continue to trend in a good, good direction. 608 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: What are some of the other subtle things got to 609 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: look forth putting the obviously ball protection you already covered 610 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: that aside. We know how important that's gonna be for 611 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: any head coach to not turn it over. Um the 612 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: overall production, you know, the checklist, touchdowns, all that stuff. 613 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: Is it when you get into an offense for a 614 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: second year? Is it making quicker decisions? Is it getting 615 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: rid of the ball quicker? What are some of the 616 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: things that fans can kind of keep an eye on 617 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: as they watch Daniel entering year three, second year Jason Garrett, 618 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: that might give them clues that, yes, this is something different, 619 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: we're seeing progress here. I think it'll just be his 620 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: physical comfort and how you see his body language. And 621 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: an important thing with that is again you talk about 622 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: what are some of the subtle things that so this 623 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: is this again talking about the second year that he 624 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: and Jason are together. It's not just on Daniel, but 625 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: Jason now knows again, Jason, Here's what I love about 626 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Jason's a football coach and I've known him for a 627 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: long time, is he knows and the best coaches in 628 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: the league know what players can do and what they 629 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: can't do, and you need a system to have a 630 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: baseline and to have something to grow out of it. 631 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: But Jason is also going to know in year two 632 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: what Daniel does well and what he doesn't do well. 633 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: He's gonna know what he's comfortable with and what he's 634 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: not comfortable with. That is critical because he's going to 635 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: be put in a better position this year in terms 636 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: of how to be successful because the coaching is just 637 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: going to be different. So to me, you know, I 638 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: I go back to some of the best football people 639 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: that I learned from and Whether Whether and listening to 640 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: Parcel's talking back in the day about Phil sins and 641 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: how they grew him and how they develop Tim and 642 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: knowing what he could do and what he couldn't do 643 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: and not making it easy for him. He still had 644 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: to work on certain things. But you put players in 645 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: a chance to succeed, not to fail. And again, it's 646 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: part of this football family that I've been a part 647 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: of that I that I think Joe and Jason again, 648 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: Jason comes from a different place, but he comes to 649 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: the same place, meaning you know, accentuate the positive and 650 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: limit the limitations. And I think if they do that 651 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: with Daniel this year. You will see it in his 652 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: body language, you will see it in his eyes, and 653 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: he'll become a more confident and better football players because 654 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: of those things. And that doesn't necessarily mean airing it 655 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: out to all these playmakers. It means a balanced attack. 656 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: You say, Quan and let him do what he does 657 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: well right, and throw it to the guy that's opened. 658 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's that simple. Again. I know what fans 659 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: want to see for the excitement and stuff, but you know, 660 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: going back to some of the best quarterbacks developed Phil Sims, 661 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that they used to do for him. 662 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, early in his career he couldn't throw the 663 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: long ball right. Well, he wasn't being told to because 664 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: what they wanted him to do was to complete high 665 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: percentage plays, high percentage complete That's exactly what we did 666 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: with Tom Brady in New England. For years, people tell 667 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: you everybody can't throw the deep ball. Well, we weren't 668 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: having him throw the deep ball. We were doing the 669 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: extended running game and high percentage throws, which gave him confidence, 670 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: which gave the team confidence in him. I mean, heck, 671 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: we did it with Vinny Testaverde in Cleveland Baltimore when 672 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: he became a better player, and then with the Jets, 673 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: it was all about the quarterbacks confidence and what they 674 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: were Vinnie was all these players. I just mentioned. What 675 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: we did was high percentage throws to make them confidence, 676 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: give them comfortable, and to make everybody comfortable. So you know, 677 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: maybe look for some of that. It doesn't have to 678 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: be down the field all the time. All right, Scott, 679 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: I want to get to the defense because I think 680 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: it's also interesting. One thing Joe Judge stressed when he 681 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: got here, I'm not going to pick a scheme and 682 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: fit my players into it. That's silly. I'm gonna look 683 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: at my players and decide what they can do well. 684 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: And I think it was reflected in the defense last 685 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: year when Patrick Graham. You look from where he's come 686 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: from in terms of the systems and where he's worked 687 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Miami back and I guess that was the twenty nineteen season. 688 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: They played more man to man than anybody. That's where 689 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: he was with the coach Flores. Then he comes to 690 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: the Giants and he gets through camp, You're like, oh boy, 691 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't really have a second quarterback here. And the 692 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: Giants turned into one of the heaviest zone defense teams 693 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: in the league. Now they go out, they get a 694 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: Dory Jackson. I think it's really fascinating to watch here 695 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: as the they acquire the personnel. To your point earlier 696 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: that the coaching staff wants, are you going to see 697 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: a bit of a shift he or the Giants going 698 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: to change their defensive philosophy so that, you know, too 699 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: deep zone, mix up your coverage, disguise stuff too, more 700 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: of a man demand, single high blitz a little bit more. 701 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really fascinating thing to watch 702 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: based on what we've seen from Patrick Graham before he 703 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,959 Speaker 1: got to the Giants. And you have to set out 704 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: to acquire personnel for a certain system, but again, what 705 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: you have to focus on more in terms of this 706 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: system is intelligence and the players ability to be exible, 707 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: because then you can build a team that the way 708 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: that you lie. And you look at where Joe comes from, 709 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: his background not only with Bill but with Nick, and 710 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: you know Patrick Graham's background and Brian Flores' background, where 711 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: you know it's that's part of it, and that's part 712 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: of again all those years working with Bill that I loved. 713 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: It was a beauty about Bill. It wasn't about Belichair right, 714 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: he didn't make it about himself. He wanted to be 715 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: successful week to week. So if you had to make 716 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: changes in order to beat you know, the forty niners 717 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: in in the eighties were different than the way the 718 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: Eagles played in the eighties, and we're different than what 719 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: Washington was, which was, you know, too tight end off. 720 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: So you you needed to be flexible. You have to 721 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: have a core and a baseline. But what you're doing 722 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: is you're teaching certain fundamentals that are carried over from 723 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: scheme to scheme, from adjustment to adjustment. So you teach 724 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: basic fundamental football skills that apply to the different things 725 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: that you're gonna change. Because the thing is, not all 726 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: offenses that you play every week you're gonna be the same, 727 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: So you will need to attack them differently and you'll 728 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: need to adjust to them differently. So the flexibility part 729 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: is is really important. You know, the people that come 730 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: from that that that coaching background, it was never about 731 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: those individuals wanting to have an offense or a defense 732 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: named after them or you know, it was about winning 733 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: football games. That's all that mattered was winning football games. 734 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: And you do what you need to do from a 735 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: week to week basis to win the game that you're 736 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: playing that week. And that's why this scheme could look 737 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: different one week than the next based on Europe perhaps, 738 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: but you have to have some core fundamental foundational beliefs 739 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: and teachings. Absolutely. Two more on the defense, Scott, The 740 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: Giants have done this a little bit differently, and most 741 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: people said, you have to have that edge rusher, and 742 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of maybe not where it starts, but a 743 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: huge keys to have that guy that went off the edge. 744 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: But the Giants have built inside out with Leonard Williams 745 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: and Dexter Lawrence, and then they've really focused a lot 746 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: of their resources on the second day with Bradberry and 747 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 1: Dorry Jackson, Logan, Ryan Jabrill, Pepper's their draft picks, Davian McKinney, 748 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: Julian Love go down the list. How do you feel 749 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: about that way of approaching building a defense where maybe 750 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: you don't have that you know, twelve sack guy off 751 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: the edge, but you're building those other areas instead. But 752 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: if you don't, I'm finally because here's the truth. You 753 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: can't force what isn't available, right, it's supplying demand So 754 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: if Leonard Williams is what is available and there's not 755 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: an end rushieran Leonard Williams, right, you can't. You can't 756 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: just say oh, we needed an end Rusher. So I'm 757 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: gonna go out and meet Joe Smith who's pedestrian ed 758 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: Rushier and a lot of myself and my team and 759 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: say oh we've got our edge Russia because we talk 760 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: them up. So you what you have to do again, 761 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: this is a supplying demand business. And if you have 762 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: the ability or the marketplace has the availability of a 763 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: player that whether it's at your picking, the draft or 764 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: in free agency, you know there's competition for those guys. 765 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: So they built things as they needed to build things 766 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: and as a building availability and it's you know, this 767 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: is a great question, John, because it's a bigger it's 768 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: a bigger um foundational kind of question where sometimes people say, well, 769 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: we need to do this. Well, the times I've made 770 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: my biggest mistakes in terms of drafting and the times 771 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of my friends make mistakes is 772 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: when they drafted based on need rather than best player available. 773 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: So what the Giants have done is they've gone out 774 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: and gotten what they believe to be the best players 775 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: available and not for something that wasn't viable or wasn't 776 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, don't don't kid yourself into thinking and using 777 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: the currency of a high traft pick just to to 778 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: to get a need, because ends up being in a stake. 779 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, Scott, I love your answers because you're really 780 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: echoing a lot with David has talked to me about 781 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: when we talked, either publicly or privately, talked about having 782 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, strong, tough and smart offensive lineman, you know, 783 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: drafting for need. It's all out of the same philosophy. 784 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: And this is another philosophical question on defense. I'm curious 785 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: of your take on a lot of the quote unquote 786 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: analytics community is is kind of starting to think that 787 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: past defense starts more now with the secondary because of 788 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: the quick pass game and the quarterback getting out of 789 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: his hands, you know, a lot quicker, and that's more 790 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: important to have coverage than pass rush at this point. 791 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: How do you view that, just simply from a philosophical standpoint, 792 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: do you think that has legs or do you still 793 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: thinking more of the traditional way It's that pressure first 794 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: and then you build a secondary off of that. I 795 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: think it's a combination of things. Again, who are your 796 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: who are your teams? What are the teams in your 797 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: division built like you were to play them twice? If 798 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: there you're playing, you know, you're talking about six games 799 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: right there? So six games do you face? Are those 800 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: six things against those opponents? Against teams that are about 801 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: the quick passing game? Because not every game, not every 802 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: team is like that, right, some teams are different. I 803 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: think that, And I love and believe in analytics, and 804 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: because they force you to ask why every time you 805 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: get an answer, Okay, great? Why? You know you look 806 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: at pass rushes. You know you talk about sacks. You know, well, 807 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: look at the sacks. What are the why? You know? 808 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: How many times how many of those thirteen sacks was 809 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: the player completely unblocked because they you know, the backs 810 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: forgot to chip the end or the tight end was 811 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: supposed to stay in and then or the protection you know, 812 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: have to line up the protection long and slid one 813 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: way or whatever. So I love the analytics, but then 814 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: I think you need to keep asking, you know yourself, why, 815 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: and keep asking the analytics people why. Okay, that's awesome. 816 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: Now look at those thirteen sacks and then tell me 817 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: the difference of what those thirteen sacks or did they 818 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: beat the protection, did they beat the individual? But to 819 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: your point, you know, I think that you have to 820 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: Analytics are important, but when they look at things, for 821 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: the most part, they're looking things at a thirty two 822 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: lee thirty two team league. You have to somehow whittle 823 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: that down. You're you know, you're not gonna know your 824 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: opponent every year, and you can't build everything reactionarily if 825 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: that's a word. If it's not, I'm gonna google that later, honestly, Okay, 826 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's important to to pay 827 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: attention to those things and use it, but then use 828 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: that as something to talk about meetings. Hey, because the 829 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: reality is you say, okay, this is how we're gonna 830 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: work our coverage. What if have you you have a 831 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: bunch of guys that can't play press man. You know, 832 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: if you don't have guys can play press man or 833 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: play close and play tight coverage and they get beat 834 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: on a double move, you know that ain't again, You're 835 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: what you want to do has to match you a personnel, 836 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: and your personnel has to match what you do. And 837 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: if your personnel doesn't match, then you as a leader, 838 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: need to, you know, need to change and adjust some 839 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: of the things that you're doing to, you know, to 840 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: mitigate what your issues might be. One of Eli manning 841 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: his favorite things that he used to say to reporters 842 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: and asked him a general question after the game was well, 843 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: every plays his own individual organism. So I can't give 844 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: you a general answer because every play is different. And 845 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about the details on those sacks, is 846 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: at a clean up sack? Did the quarterback rollout right 847 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: into the player? You know, all these things changes. No, 848 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I was brilliant and it's true 849 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: people think that he was maybe a boy. He wasn't 850 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: a boarding the question. He's a smart guy who was 851 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 1: answering things thoughtfully and he was speaking straight truth. Absolutely. 852 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: Final question, Scott, and I'm not asking to take out 853 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: your crystal ball, but we both got our crystal balls, well, 854 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: permanent harmanent crystal balls. Absolutely. How do you view the 855 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: NFC East just in terms of I'm not asking you 856 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: who's gonna finish in first just you can go team 857 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: by team or take it as a unit if you want. 858 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: You know, what are the keys for the teams in 859 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: this division? For who's gonna come out on top. We 860 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: know last year didn't go well for anybody. No one's 861 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 1: gonna did. Uh, So when you look at this year, 862 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: I think all these teams are in different situations. Veteran quarterbacks, 863 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks, whatever. Just how do you view this division 864 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: and and just what the Giants need to do to 865 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: come out on top. Well, I think here's what I'll say. 866 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: I see the Giants are trending in a very positive direction. Um. 867 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 1: I also think that the Washington football team is trending 868 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: in a positive direction. And a lot of that has 869 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: to do with the leadership of Ron Rivera and the 870 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: way that he's doing things and the people he's surrounding himself. 871 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: And I think that they're doing a very good job 872 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: of bringing the type of players that Ron can be 873 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: successful can be successful with. Um. I still think that 874 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: they you know, they've kind of got a plug in 875 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: at the quarterback situation right now. UM. You know, I 876 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: see the Dallas Cowboys as a team that they're going 877 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: to be. You know, IFDD comes back, help look out, 878 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: there'll be a player again. So I see this as 879 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, with A I think you're improving Daniel Jones 880 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: and improving UM Washington football team, a Dallas football team 881 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: that should be better than they were last year. And 882 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 1: Philadelphia to me, is the one I think is gonna 883 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: be gonna be fighting a lot because it's a first 884 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: year for so many things. There's so much change. With 885 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni being there, They've got it, you know, it's 886 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: gonna be a new young quarterback who's making a lot 887 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,240 Speaker 1: of big time decisions. But I think that the division. 888 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: I know what the records were last year, but I 889 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: expect the records of certainly three of those four teams 890 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: to be better than what they were last year and 891 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: to be more competitive. And again, the wild card is 892 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: going to be Philadelphia and what they do just in 893 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: terms of how quickly can they adapt and grow and improve, 894 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, in a place where there's been a ton 895 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: of changes in the last eighteen months, you know, help 896 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: not playing the NFC West in the n f C 897 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: North to that. Exactly, all right, Scott, This is when 898 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: I open the floor to you. Anything you're up to, 899 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: UM charities, promotions, anything you want to put out there 900 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: that wants to know about let us know. No, I 901 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: you know, I I didn't even think about that. You're 902 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: catching me off guard here. UM. You know, it's just 903 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: it's I'm loving to see some of the changes that 904 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: the league is making. And um, actually you know, some 905 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: of the work that my my family and I do 906 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: and UM in the spaces of of equity, UM in 907 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 1: in coaches and scouts of color. UM and supporting female 908 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: coaches and scouts. As a matter of fact, UM, the 909 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: young lady that I mentored, UM, Hannah Burnett, is now 910 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: a scout for your New York Giants. Yeah. It hired 911 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: her at the at the Atlanta Falcons, and she hired her. 912 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: She came she was working as an intern at the 913 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: new at the at the league office, and had long 914 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: conversation with her about what she wanted to do, and 915 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 1: hired her and we worked together, um for a while. 916 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: And she was also a bit of a mentor to 917 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: my my daughter or our daughter. UM. She's a former 918 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: Division one lacrosse player. And and I think, you know, 919 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,399 Speaker 1: without being specific, I think that there's you know, not 920 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: just talking about the fund. We have a uh women 921 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: Female Coaches and Scouts Fund of the Women's Sports Foundation, 922 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: Billy jen King's organization where we give grants to people 923 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: like Hannah who you know, we're trying to become something 924 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: in their career, UM, and there's not this you know, 925 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: logical path, it seems, and they need help sometimes, and 926 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: we provide grants for people. As a matter of fact, 927 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: Hannibal was a recipient of one of our grants back 928 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: when she was working with the Falcons. After I had 929 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: hired her left the Falcons and she was working with 930 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: the Falcon she received a grant. And UM also at 931 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame and Black it's a 932 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: combined Pro football him in College Football Black College Football 933 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. UM, we have a grant there for 934 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: coaches supporting HBCU coaches and former players. So, UM, I 935 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: don't have that information to give you, but folks could 936 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: find it and UH feel free. It's about helping other people. 937 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: It's not UM, it's helping football people. So have at 938 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: it if you're if you're interested. Yeah, and the Senior 939 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: Bowl just came out. They're gonna have the combine for 940 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: the kids from the HBCUs next year, which is great. Yeah. 941 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: It's actually so it's actually been the UM. You know, 942 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: I do some work with the league. It's actually being 943 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: put on by the National Football League. It's an NFL 944 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: project the partner with Jim nagny Um. Jim. Jim and 945 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,959 Speaker 1: I work together at the New ENGLD Patriots and Kansas 946 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: City Chiefs active director to rip the guy. And who's 947 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, he's one of the best scouts 948 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: that that that I worked with in terms of his 949 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: attention to detail and how hard he worked in the 950 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: job that he did. Um. But yeah, so it's actually 951 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: the Natural Football League is really owning the h p 952 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: S combine. Jim was kind enough to partner where it 953 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: makes it easier by doing it down at that point 954 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: in time where there'll be a bunch of college coaches, scouts, 955 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: GM's personnel directors to have those things linked up together. Um. 956 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: There's a former Giant who I'm gonna give a shout 957 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: out to here who's a part of that and really 958 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: is much of the of the brains and hard working 959 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: setting that up is Kevin booth Um, a former offensive 960 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: lineman who I do a lot of work with um 961 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: and some of the consulting work I do for the 962 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: league office. But Kevin booth has been I mean amazing 963 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: in terms of helping and and building things out and 964 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 1: the partnerships with the league. He does it very quietly 965 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. There's a lot of people and they 966 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: get credit for things. Um, but Kevin the work that 967 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: he has done to help make that happen. UM an 968 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: informer giant, UM that that I can't say enough about. 969 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: He's He's a guy that I keep telling him, I'm 970 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: not sure why you're working at the league office, man, 971 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: because you should be running a team somewhere someday. He's 972 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: an amazing talent. I mean, for the Cornell guy's pretty bright. 973 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: So I always tease him. I said, well, you know, 974 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: there's the IVY League and then there's Cornell and Brown, 975 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: so you didn't really go to IVY League. I'm sure 976 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: he likes that. And and he's one of those offensive 977 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: linemen that don't look like offensive lineman's anymore either. He's 978 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: uh but he again, he's a guy that um he's 979 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: he is I think one of the rising superstars and 980 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,760 Speaker 1: the national football he was. That's what an individual club 981 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: or for the league office. I can't say enough good 982 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 1: things about Kevin. And he's a guy that fits that profile. Right. 983 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: He won because of what's up here as much of 984 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: what was going on down there. Yeah. Yeah, but but 985 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: he was also physically talented enough, of course. Yeah but 986 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, but you're right. He he was smarter than 987 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: the average bear, that's for sure. It's God. I took 988 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,080 Speaker 1: enough of your time, man, I hope you and with 989 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: the conversation I did just talking about football philosophy in 990 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: the game. I had a lot of fun. Thanks so much. 991 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking it, and we look forward to 992 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: seeing on NFL networking again soon. All right, thank you, John, 993 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Got the only four NFL executive joining us 994 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: on the John Subtle Podcast. Enjoy a weekend, everybody. We'll 995 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 1: see you next time.