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Speaker 1: talking ball, so this is good. Let's start with this though.

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Speaker 1: Does this bring back some memories? I don't know if

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Speaker 1: But I know you guys were seeing it before that

430
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Speaker 1: on the practice field. What about his ability And obviously

431
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Speaker 1: the numbers are with the r eight sacks and seven games,

432
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Speaker 1: I mean, really impressive, But what is it about his

433
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Speaker 1: skill set that that is unique and that you guys

434
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Speaker 1: found pretty attractive and wanted to give him a chance.

435
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: You know, he's a long guy as mouth. You know,

436
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: the dove is really long, and it's really like the jews,

437
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: and he can bend off the corner man, which most

438
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: path great pass rousers can do, you know, and you

439
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: can see that on tape at Jackson State. You know,

440
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Speaker 1: he played a lot of off stack linebacker all the

441
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: sold Jackson's stay. They put him on line then rush

442
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: and he was able to see that. So when you

443
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: look at some of the guys down here this week,

444
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 1: that the interior offensive lineman maybe just speaking to some

445
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: positions of need for you guys, or some positions that

446
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Speaker 1: you might be looked for defensive line. How much is

447
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: versatility important for you guys, because when you talk about

448
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: a guy like James who played stacked and then could

449
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: go on the edge aiden three interceptions, can drop do

450
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Speaker 1: some things, play inside on your NASCAR package and do

451
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: some of those things too. How much is versatility a

452
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: big part of what you guys wanted to want to

453
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Speaker 1: have in terms of collective players on your football tier. Absolutely,

454
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Speaker 1: versatility is all I mean priority because if you just

455
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: a one position you got, you gotta be special. Yeah,

456
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: you have to be very special, but especially upfront, old

457
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Speaker 1: lie you know you want those guys to be able

458
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Speaker 1: to play, you know, multiple spots, the more you can do. Right. Yeah, Well,

459
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Speaker 1: let's finish up with this one and again ste with

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Speaker 1: yag Knew, the assistant general manager for the Detroit Lions.

461
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Speaker 1: Big week down here at the Senior Bowl Ray nine

462
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: and just missed the playoffs. You were that close. We

463
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: talked about the draft picks, the cap space. Just how

464
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Speaker 1: excited are you for this offseason and where this team

465
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: is headed. It kind of looks like you're right there

466
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Speaker 1: to kind of getting close to some of the things

467
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Speaker 1: and some of the goals that you guys set up

468
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Speaker 1: when you when you're a brad game here, it's very exciting,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a good time to be a lion,

470
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Speaker 1: like I say, But the thing is, you know, you

471
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: can't rest on nine and eight and like Okay, we're

472
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Speaker 1: there now. You kind of work to get it there.

473
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Speaker 1: First of all, I would I would love to bring

474
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Speaker 1: winter there for we want to bring winter for the

475
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Speaker 1: city of Detroit. We think I think personally, I played

476
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Speaker 1: a long time and these are some of the most

477
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Speaker 1: LOYALUE fans and they followed the team faithfully, and we

478
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Speaker 1: feel like this allnership in this city and our fans

479
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Speaker 1: deserve a winner. And it's a unique place. Yes, if

480
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Speaker 1: the line has ever become a consistent winner. I know

481
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: you haven't been here long, but you can probably understand

482
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Speaker 1: what that is going to be, like, what that porade

483
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: could potentially be like, Just what this atmosphere you see

484
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Speaker 1: that Ford field at the end of the season, just

485
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: what that environment can z you guys, bring a consistent

486
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Speaker 1: winner here. It'll be fun moment. We'll stay too. I

487
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Speaker 1: like it. Stay to Ray, Appreciate you taking the time.

488
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Speaker 1: Have a good rest of your week here and good

489
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Speaker 1: luck this offseason. It should be fun. Okay, thank you, awesome,

490
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: appreciate you, thank you. Back here at Hancock Whitney Stadium

491
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Speaker 1: for the date the second day of the Senior Bowl,

492
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Speaker 1: and I am happy to bring in Connor Rogers and

493
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Speaker 1: it Connor does a lot of things. He's got his

494
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Speaker 1: hands a lot of difference of Pro Football Focus NBC.

495
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk some of these prospects. And

496
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Speaker 1: let's start here at the Senior Bowl. Um, you know,

497
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: with the with the Detroit Lions, you look at positions

498
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Speaker 1: of need, and really when you talk to Brad Holmes

499
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and rayag Knew, the assistant general manager, they say, look,

500
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Speaker 1: we just we're about getting good players. We're about getting

501
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: better at every position. But if you look at the

502
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: numbers Connor defensively, obviously this team needed needs some more talent,

503
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: needs some more depth. And so talking specifically about the

504
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, maybe we're some guys on that defensive side

505
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: of the ball that have maybe jumped out to you

506
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Speaker 1: a little bit the first couple of days and maybe

507
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Speaker 1: could be fit scheme wise or just you know, adding

508
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: talent to that Detroit defense, no doubt. I mean, now,

509
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: look at the Detroit defense, and they've done such a

510
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: good job over recent years of aading talent across the roster,

511
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: but now it's filling out all three levels. We know

512
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about cornerback with this team. Yeah, but

513
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Speaker 1: how about a little team speed in the middle of

514
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Speaker 1: the defense too. You look at a guy like Marte

515
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 1: Mapu from Sack State who's out here. He's an interesting

516
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: player because he's kind of built like a bigger safety

517
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Speaker 1: two hundred twenty two hundred twenty five pounds sideline to

518
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: sideline speed. He has no fear of coming downhill and

519
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: throwing his shoulder down. He makes plays against the run.

520
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: How about in the interior the defensive line too, guy

521
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Speaker 1: that can kick at the one tech or the three tech.

522
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Kian who Benton? Yeah, I mean he's just been unblockable

523
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Speaker 1: down here on And you look at what the Lions

524
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: have built up front, you start to like the edge

525
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: depth that's bill right. You have Aidan Hudginson, you have Houston.

526
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Speaker 1: You like a lean McNeil in the middle of that defense.

527
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you can get another rotational pass rusher. Will McDonald's

528
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: down here. He's a lighter guys two thirty five two forty.

529
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna play around their quickness. He's had some battles

530
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Speaker 1: with one of the best tackles down here in Mobile,

531
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Speaker 1: Darnell Right. Yeah, they've been going at it, and you

532
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: see McDonald's a guy that can win the outside shoulder,

533
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: so you start to build a rotation of a pass rush.

534
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Speaker 1: So I think the Lions, there's plenty of players that

535
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Speaker 1: fit the defense at all three levels here and some

536
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: of thing guys that you mentioned there are pretty versatile too,

537
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Speaker 1: And I know that's a big thing with Bred. You

538
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: look at Aidan Hudginson, right, can play on the outside,

539
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: but kicks inside in their nasscar package, had three interceptions,

540
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: can be able to drop back and play in place.

541
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Speaker 1: James Houston was a stacked linebacker of that Florida which

542
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Jackson State. Was an edge guy. The Lions used him

543
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Speaker 1: multiple ways. So is that of the fun part about

544
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: the Senior bull too, is just putting these guys in

545
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: some uncomfortable positions, putting them in and just seeing the

546
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Speaker 1: scope of maybe how they can help a team in

547
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different areas. Absolutely, it's one of my

548
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: favorite things to watch because you could turn on a

549
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: guy like Benton right bending with somebody that because of

550
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: his size, he's a three hundred and thirty pounder, Johnson,

551
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: you're sticking him at zero, he's over the center. He's

552
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 1: gonna play nose. He's gonna play sad shade nose off

553
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: the shoulder. You're look at him down here, and you say,

554
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: he's got passed rushability as a three tech and you

555
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: just love that versatility guy like that. On first and

556
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: second down, you know you can stick him right in

557
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: the middle of defense. Then you get creative on the

558
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: passing downs. You don't have to take him off the field.

559
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that the line's value is

560
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: players that they understand their rotations, but they also love

561
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: the three down ability when teams don't let you sub So, yeah,

562
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: this is such a cool event for that where guys

563
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: that are safety converts or they might be converted on

564
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Speaker 1: a different spot of the offensive line. You get center snaps,

565
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: you get tackle snaps. It's a really good event for

566
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: coaches to put you in uncomfortable situations and see how

567
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: they're reacting. These guys have reacted really well day after day.

568
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned him that Wisconsant, because he you know, Beck.

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Speaker 1: He has looked really really good. He was part of

570
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Speaker 1: my observations in day one. I thought he had a

571
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Speaker 1: really good Day two too, so he's kind of followed

572
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: that up. He's been really really good. And when we

573
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Speaker 1: talk about the Detroit givents some line, especially in the

574
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Speaker 1: loong the interior there, I think they're gonna be looking

575
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: for some help there. They gotta Lee McNeil, who they love.

576
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens with the Isaiah Bugs.

577
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: He's a free agent, but he's gonna come back. But

578
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: I think that's really kind of where they're probably looking

579
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: at least for the most immediate help, right sure, and yeah,

580
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: and you can come down here and you can find

581
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: the dirty work players, right. It's not the guys that

582
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: are gonna get you fifteen sacks every year or the

583
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: guys that are all the flash. How about it. Look

584
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: at Byron Young from Alabama. There's two Byron Youngs in

585
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: the same team down here. One's an edge rusher from Tennessee.

586
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Maybe hope fit Detroit too, But I'm looking at the

587
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Alabama. Strong hands. When you go to Alabama,

588
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: the one thing they're always going to tell you and

589
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: you see it on film. Is they're coached up with

590
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: their hand usage, hand placement, the strength that they have

591
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: from the weight room where they don't get displaced in

592
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the run game. And you need bodies in there that

593
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: can eat on two blockers, not one blocker, and be

594
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: able to set the edge, be able to control the run,

595
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: be able to beat reach blocks, and just get tougher

596
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. So teams can't look

597
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: at you and go, We're gonna go north and south.

598
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: You go, no, we have the bodies in here, they're

599
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: gonna hold up against the run while we have the

600
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: rushers on the edge, especially a talent like Hutchinson and

601
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: talent like Houston. So that's the fun part about the

602
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Everybody falls in love with the stars, but

603
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: you forget that the day three picks that might only

604
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: be rotational players, they can win your championships when you

605
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: build out the roster. You mean those James Houston kind

606
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: of guys. Those guys that step in and have eight

607
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: sackson Yeah, six saxon change sacks in seven games. You know,

608
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: it changes things and how they can become a core piece,

609
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: a practice squad player at the beginning here to to

610
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: a key component. Are you mentioned the cornerbacks at that

611
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: off the top of this, that's obviously a need for

612
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Detroit Um you know or have any guys jumped out

613
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: at you here at the cornerback spot Pacific we talk

614
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: both nickel and yeah outside. I mean for when I

615
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Julius Brents, that's you know,

616
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: six foot two and smooth and move and can turn

617
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: his hips and run down the field, that's someone to me. Right,

618
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: you look at this corner class. That is if you're

619
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: at the Lions, you're in a dream scenario because what

620
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: do you need the most? In my opinion, you need corner.

621
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: What's the best position in this entire draft in my opinion, corner? Yes.

622
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: And then when you say best, you go, well, is

623
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: it blue chip town at the top? Is it deep?

624
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: It's everything. There's gonna be starters in around three. There's

625
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: gonna be starters in around I think there's all pro

626
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: guys that are going to go in the top ten.

627
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: It's really nice flexibility to have because if you fall

628
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: in love with a guy and you don't get him

629
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to move or he just didn't

630
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: fall into your lap the way you thought, Well, then

631
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: you know you have a fallback option. So I look

632
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: at a guy like Brent's out here, who's just a

633
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: skyscraper of a corner. He can turn around with the

634
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: guys that go for four, but he can play tough

635
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: and physical at the line of scrimmage. That's somebody that's

636
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: jumped out to me. And it's tough to You got

637
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: to find competitive advantages in this class because you have

638
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: all these underclassmen that are excellent. We did see a

639
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: guy like Witherspoon pull out of here, but you have

640
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: all these guys that didn't have the opportunity to come

641
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: down here. Brents has been able to come down here

642
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and show listen, I can hang with the big dogs.

643
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: What about the guys that aren't here, some of the

644
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: unspon guys. Yeah, it seems that way. And you see

645
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: some of the early mock drafts, and you know, Detroit

646
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: has the number six pick, They've got the number eighteen picks,

647
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: so they've got options. They could package just things move up.

648
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: If they love a guy, they could take a corner

649
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: of six. I think there's going to be some good

650
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: corners at eighteen. Do you agree and did what do

651
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: you really like about some of those top guys? What

652
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: a place to be and they're gonna win the combine

653
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: this corner class because you have a guy like the

654
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Bond Witherspoon. To me, that absolutely he justifies using a

655
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: top ten selection on him. He reminds me of Gay

656
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: or Alexander. He's not somebody that comes in and he's

657
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna be six foot two, but he can. It's almost

658
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: like he uses that heightened being five ft eleven is

659
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: not sure, but he uses it with a chip on

660
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: his shoulder. He loves coming down hill and playing the run.

661
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: He has the best click and close ability, ability to

662
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: play his foot in the ground and get downhill to

663
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: break up the pass. He's got the wheels to play

664
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the deep ball. He was the leader of that defense.

665
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: He's the leader everywhere he goes. He has that alpha

666
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: male mentality that you need that can really turn over

667
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: the back end of your defense that hey, this guy's

668
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: the leader of our secondary for the next six years

669
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: and doesn't stop there. You have Christian Zalez from Oregon

670
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: who's kind of a different mold. He's six foot two,

671
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna run in the four threes, which is unbelievable

672
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: at that size. He's gonna look really good in the

673
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: drill work, a little bit more of a not quiet,

674
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: but a different personality than Witherspoon, calm collected, level headed,

675
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: loser rep go win five reps kind of guy. And

676
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: that's not even getting into Joey Porter Junior of the

677
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: World from Penn State, who's more of an option at eighteen.

678
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: In my eyes, he's gonna have probably the longest arms

679
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: so we've seen in the combine for a corner and

680
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: maybe im and Sauce Gardner are the two guys with

681
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: that kind of arm length. So you're talking about unique players,

682
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: and that's not even getting to outside of that. You

683
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: have Cam Smith, you have Kille Ringo from Georgia, you

684
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: have Deante Banks from Maryland. It's a loaded corner class

685
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: where those three guys I mentioned at the top, they're

686
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: going in the top fifteen to twenty picks. But if

687
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: you miss on them, you're still going to find starters elsewhere. Yeah,

688
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: and the lines like Jerry Jacob's kind of their their

689
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: bulldog type guy that you know the coach staff really

690
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: loves him. I don't think you could give up on

691
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: jeffal Coody. Yet I have some stuff that he's he's

692
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: like the little inconsistent at the end of the year.

693
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: But I thought he played like the number three pick

694
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: for the first, you know, ten weeks of the season.

695
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: So they've got some talent there. I just think they

696
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: need to build up that depth and to build that

697
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: competition in that room. All right, let's talk about real

698
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: the number six pick real quick. Obviously a ton of

699
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: options there. Some of those top defensive guys are there.

700
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: You look at the statistics defensively for Detroit last in

701
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: the league on defense. They obviously need to fix that

702
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Is that where they're going at

703
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: number six? And maybe who are some guys that that

704
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: could fit right there at number six and be he

705
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: perfect fits? I think so. And I start with Witherspoon,

706
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: not to keep bringing him up, but he's the best

707
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: corner in this draft, and he absolutely justifies the number

708
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Speaker 1: six pick. If you have in front office that just

709
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: values length at the corner position, you take Gonzalez. They're

710
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: both top ten kind of guys. So if you're dead

711
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: set at corner and you want the blue chip guy,

712
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: you want the fancy toy obviously, and you're not bargain shopping.

713
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: You will get that guy at six because you're in

714
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: a great spy. You have two first round picks, you

715
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: have the power to do so. But when you look

716
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: at it, the options are endless. Let's not act like

717
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: two and I don't expect this, But what if you

718
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: want to move up from six? You call in Arizona

719
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: in three and say, hey, we love Will Anderson. What

720
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: does it take to go up and get Will Anderson?

721
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling options like the lines are going to

722
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: be aggressive this year because they know they can win

723
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: right now and that's an incredible place to be. They

724
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: have belief in the coaching staff. The roster has turned

725
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: the corner. The offense is great, you know, especially with

726
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson back, the offense is great. I think you

727
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: can actually bargain shop for your offensive needs with this

728
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: draft on Day two and Day three. On the offense,

729
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: use your blue chip assets at the top of the defense.

730
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: Defense a package to move up and get an elite

731
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: guy that can they move up? Can they package something

732
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: enough to get Carter's heat? Too good to probably a

733
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: team want to drop down to not get. So that's

734
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: not the issue to me is that Chicago is the

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00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: bearer of that number one selection. That's how I look

736
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Speaker 1: at it. Now, let's throw a scenario out there for fun.

737
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: What if Chicago traded with the Colts, you know, at four, right,

738
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Speaker 1: and you have quarterback with the Colts at one, quarterback

739
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: to the Texans at two. Then you call Arizona because

740
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: you want to jump your rival to Bears. That's how

741
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: you get Jalen Carter. And these are scenarios when you're

742
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: doing the draft and you're scouting that you play out

743
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: in your head that everybody might laugh at in January

744
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and February, and then you go to April and the

745
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: best gems get creative and they do that. So I

746
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: would not rule out Jalen Carter to the Lions. It's

747
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: just gonna take one domino to fall the right way.

748
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: But with everything, with everything that you said, with the

749
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: number six pick, the number eighteen pick, you've got two

750
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: second round picks, you're nine and eight. You've got a

751
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: really nice roster of young core guys. Just we're this

752
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: is a franchise that's had a pretty good situation right now,

753
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: don't you Conner incredible? And if you do want to

754
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Nippick and get on the offensive side of the ball. Listen,

755
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: we watch them trade TJ. Hockinson. It's a great tight

756
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: end class. It's a great and that talent. Sure guys

757
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: are gonna go in the first round. Sure linesman's where

758
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: you see at eighteen, maybe seeing a Darnell Washington from Georgia,

759
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: if Michael Mayer from Notre Dame fell there. But there's

760
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: options outside of that. You have Dalan Kincaide, you have

761
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different types of players, Luke Musgrave. There's

762
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: Day two tight ends where hey, if you do you

763
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: got to make the offensive stay happy once in a while.

764
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: All Right, We'll running back to you know, Jamal Williams

765
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: is headed toward free agency, Justin Jackson's gonna be an

766
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: undrestrictive free agent. DeAndre Schwist entering the last year of

767
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: his rooms a great class. So yeah, is it? Can

768
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: they find the Lions needs? Really a line because I

769
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: don't love this draft class as a whole. There's questions

770
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: whether it's at quarterback. There's questions on the depth of

771
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: maybe the Edgetown and the interior defensive line. Town it's

772
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: safety and linebacker, but running back tight ends. It seems

773
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: like in corner those are the three big spots right now,

774
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: and tackle, which isn't a problem with the Lions at

775
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the moment right now. So when you look at running back,

776
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: it's just a deep groove. You don't have to take

777
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the b Jean Robinson at eighteen. You don't need to

778
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: do things like that. You have a guy like Jamir

779
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Gibbs that's probably a second round player from Alabama, a

780
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: Dalbin Cook kind of player. And then you can look

781
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl vote right here and find guys.

782
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Look at Roshan Johnson, he was Bijean Robinson's backup at Texas.

783
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: He wigs two twenty five pounds. He's North and South bruiser.

784
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, Dan Campbell's looking at and going, we need

785
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: a guy that can close out games, right We need

786
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: somebody that can really wear down the defense in the

787
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: second half. Roshan Johnson can pass protect. It sounds like

788
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: a little like Jamal Williams right now, right the way

789
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm describing him, And there's a little bit of that

790
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: in his game. So this running back class is very,

791
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: very deep. You know, in talking about Rashwan too Bad,

792
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: he had the hand, you know, injury. What is he

793
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: able to complete the senior Bowl? But he probably starts

794
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams in college. You ever six

795
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: point o yards per carry this year, and so a

796
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: bigger back like you mentioned, um, you know, an interesting

797
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: prospect there. There's a lot of those guys you know, um,

798
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: you know some of the smaller guess there's skat guys

799
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: that that showed some speed down here. I mean there's

800
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: a running back for really any a scheme. Yeah, you

801
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: need right, you look at somebody like Charbonnet from UCLA.

802
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: Zac Charbonnet was a transfer from Michigan, so Lions fans

803
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: that are also Michigan fans might note him, well, he

804
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: transfers to UCLA's a big bruiser, two hundred twenty five pounds.

805
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: He can run north and south, he can pass protect

806
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: like Roshan Johnson. Where hey, we need a bigger back,

807
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: he's there. If we need a smaller back, there's guys

808
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: like that as well. So you're just sitting in a

809
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: really good spot. And you know, obviously a lot of

810
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: NFL draft fans know this by now. There's running back

811
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: town in every single draft. That's just scattering how they're

812
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: gonna fall and when you have to actually pounce to

813
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: get your guy. Yeah, well, kind of great stuff. I

814
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: love the introduction to the draft. It's a fun time

815
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: right Senior Bowl, and you're gonna get free agency and

816
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: then we're gonna be at that. You know, it goes

817
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: to draft comes and the Lions have obviously a lot

818
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: of draft capital. They've got a nice young roster nine

819
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: and eight. They're on the up and up, and so

820
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: it's a fun time to be a point Lion fan.

821
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: And thanks for breaking down the draft race stuff. If

822
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: thank you, it's no problem. And you know, when you

823
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: cover the NFL Draft, you start to root for certain

824
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: teams that have been a part of your rebuilding content

825
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: for so long. And it's great to see the Lions

826
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: turn the corner where we don't talk about the Lions. Hey,

827
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: they're picking top two, top five, whatever it is. Now

828
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: it's how do the Lions get the right pieces to

829
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: be a serious playoff contenter And it's a great place

830
00:36:49,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to be. Awesome, well said. We are finishing up the

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Speaker 1: Twentyman The Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft here in Mobile,

832
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Alabama at the Senior Bowl with some guys that impressed. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: I am Tim Twentyman. He is PJ Clark and he's

834
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: just spent a busy week down here in Mobile. You know,

835
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I love the Senior Bowl just because really it's the

836
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: last chance for all these execs, for all these coaches

837
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: to see these prospects, at least the senior prospects, actually

838
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: playing football. If if guys didn't get a chance to

839
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, see a prospect throughout the year, now you

840
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: get a chance these three days here in Mobile to

841
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: see them actually doing football stuff. They're not running forty

842
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: yard dashes and tights. It's football stuff and it's important thing.

843
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a couple of small school guys

844
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: on your list that playing in the MAC are playing

845
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: in G five or even you know, North Dakota State

846
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: and FCS school, and you're coming up to play, you know,

847
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: with the big boys here, and it's an important thing.

848
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: We saw it with Christian Watson last year, made a

849
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: big impact here and then went number thirty four overall.

850
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: So it's a big week for draft stock, you know.

851
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: And it's also a big week for these guys to

852
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: show off some versatility too. I mean you look at

853
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: the offensive defensive lineman especially, I mean guys that are tackles,

854
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're putting them at guard. They're putting guards

855
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: at centers and left guard, right guard, center, and so

856
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I think teams get an idea of some of the

857
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: players versatility, UM. And so that's one of the benefits

858
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: I think of this week as well. But let's cap

859
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: off the week right now, peage with with some guys

860
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: that maybe stood out, and I'll let you open up.

861
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: Maybe we're going to go through maybe about you know,

862
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: ten eleven, twelve guys real quick, like just some guys

863
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: that impress them, guys to keep out keep an eye

864
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: out for UM come draft time. But but maybe what's

865
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: what's one big one for you that that stood out

866
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: over the three days back if you were following Twitter

867
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: at all. In the first aid practice, I think Dawan Jones,

868
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Ohio State, the biggest guy here

869
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: was the story He's got the longest wingspan in the

870
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: history of the senior balls. Yeah, I mean this, this guy,

871
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: he was just taking everybody's lunch in one on ones.

872
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: Every other rusher they put up against him had had

873
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: no chance. It was really depressive. Got hurt. Did not

874
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: practice for day two, is still expected to play in

875
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: the game, trying to work through it. But man, what

876
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: a what an imposing force at tackle he was. And

877
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: in the one on ones I think especially, and they

878
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: did you know, the offensive line defense by run drills first,

879
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: and then they did the pass rush drills and obviously

880
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: all the scouts and everybody just gravitates to the old

881
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: line here. It is. It is the show. And those

882
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: run drills, especially with Jones. I mean, I thought it

883
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: was really impressive. Um, you know Fossky, the kid from

884
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, one of the better pass rushers here. I

885
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: think that that first rep, he drove him five yards

886
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: down the field in the run game. Dred Carter two, Yeah,

887
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: it was a top ten pick projected in coming into

888
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: the year, just absolutely beat him. I think that's where

889
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: he really showed his worth. And you know, I think

890
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: when he got his hands on guys, they really didn't

891
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: get off him. And because of that wingspan, because of

892
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: that size, and I thought he showed a little bit

893
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: of nimble feet for a guy that big two. I

894
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: thought he really helped himself down here. Another guy, um

895
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: for me that that I thought was was really really

896
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: good was new Benton, the defensive tackle from Wisconsin. I

897
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: thought he was a handful all week. Um, you know,

898
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: played the three tech down here, but he was really

899
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: a nose tackle in Wisconsin's scheme. And you know we

900
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: we know from a Lee McNeill. You know, you're facing

901
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: so many double teams at that nose tackle spot. It's

902
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: hard to get the production that maybe jumps off the screen.

903
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: But they moved him out to three tech down here,

904
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: and I thought he had a terrific week. Yeah, he

905
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: was unblockable, especially in the team I mean he in

906
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the team run fits. He blew up a couple of

907
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: plays in a row on the first day and was

908
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: really impressive that the interior offensive line for that team

909
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: on the first day especially did not have a have

910
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: a great day. They were still working out the kinks

911
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, but you know that interior defensive line,

912
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: headlined by Benton, just took advantage. Yeah. And you know

913
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: another guy from me sticking with the interior there is

914
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Carl Brooks. You talked about the small type of guys.

915
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: How about those two guys on the same team wrecking

916
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: up the bay. Carl Brooks from Bowling Green. I think

917
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: he's a really interesting prospect because he's three hundred pounds.

918
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: He played defensive end for Bowling Green. I think it

919
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: was he was rushing out of two points stance. This

920
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: was like Aiden Hutchinson stuff eighteen it tackles for loss

921
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: like he had ten over ten sacks from the defensive end.

922
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: He played the interior his first you know, couple of

923
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: years getting real time at Bowling Green. So again that versatility, right,

924
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about defensive tackle who was able to play

925
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: defensive end. He shifted and played more defensive tackle down here.

926
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: And I think there was a sequence where he won

927
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: two one on one reps right in a row against

928
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: some good competition inside, and then during the team drill,

929
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: excuse me, just blew up to plays right in a row.

930
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: I mean it was like a four play sequence of

931
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: like five minutes where he was the guy in the middle.

932
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: I thought he really helped himself this. Yeah. I was

933
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: really impressed with, you know, moving from you know, compiling

934
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: all those numbers and all those tackles for loss on

935
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: the outside and then okay, you're three hundred pounds like

936
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: you're playing inside. Now we got to figure this out.

937
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: And he showed up against you know, higher power five,

938
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: higher competition. This week. Coming from Bowling Green, he didn't

939
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: really know like, okay, you lead the mac and sacks,

940
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: let's see it against guys from the Big ten. And

941
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: he was really impressive. Three hundred pounds that could play

942
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: inside and you can shift him on the edge and

943
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: he's got nimble enough. That's pretty dangerous. I think that's

944
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: a kid that really really helped himself this week. Jumped

945
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: out absolutely well. I mean, let's stay local, Bowling Green

946
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: kind of close to Detroit, Michigan State certainly coast to Detroit.

947
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid was the best wide receiver he was. He

948
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: really helped himself. He was the fastest wide receiver here.

949
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: They institute the Zebra technology, which obviously you guys know

950
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: all they you know they do that. Um you know

951
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: every team has that Zebra technology, the little sensors in

952
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: the in the shoulder pads that um, you know, measure

953
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: how fast you're going, how many yards you've gone. It's

954
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: play speed, yeah, it's it's really is. And he measured

955
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: over twenty miles per hour. Only guy, only guy to

956
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: measure over twenty. And I thought on Wednesday, specifically in

957
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: one on ones, I think that he had three deep

958
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: balls where he gained separation, had easy touchdowns, went to

959
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: the team drills. They played in the slot and outside.

960
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Again that versatility that we talk about, and I thought

961
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: he would I agree. I thought he was the best

962
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver down here. And you know, it was a

963
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: it was a pretty diverse, pretty good skill set of

964
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: wide receivers, but I think he showed up the most.

965
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, what impressed me the most was

966
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: his footwork just running the especially on the intermediate routes.

967
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: He had a couple of fancy, little inbreaking routes that

968
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: the corner he was going up against had absolutely no chance.

969
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: And he topped that off with twenty mile a hour speed,

970
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: which is a rare thing. You know, a guy like

971
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: Jamos at twenty two. So you're just a couple ticks

972
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: under that, you're the fastest guy here. You get open,

973
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: you got a chance to impress. Also return punts down here,

974
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: So again showed off that versatility of a guy that

975
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things. Play, play in

976
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: the slot, play outside, return punts. The more you can do,

977
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: the better round. Absolutely, all right, let's stick with the

978
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: skill positions. I think it's a really really good class

979
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: of running backs. Overall the underclassmen who are obviously you know,

980
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson's going to be probably the top guy out

981
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: of Texas. But I think that the senior guys here,

982
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: it was a really good group. I think overall this

983
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: is a trap a fit group of running backs. You're

984
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: gonna get guys I think all the way into late

985
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: day two that could probably step in and be starters

986
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: for teams. We'll see where where the need is. With Detroit,

987
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams, Justin Jackson obviously headed toward unrestricted free agency,

988
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift heading into the last year contracts. So I

989
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: think it is a sneaky knee. But you know, one

990
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: of the guys that I think UM stuck out the

991
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: most to me is Taje Spears out of two lane. Um,

992
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: you look what he did in that Bowl game against

993
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: USC Right had two hundred and five yards, you know,

994
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: really prompted that that two lane upset, and over the

995
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: year it was with sixteen hundred total yards. I thought

996
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: he showed explosiveness down here. I thought he showed a

997
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: really good ability to catch the ball. And I think

998
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: one of the things I talked to him on Tuesday

999
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: and he said one of the things I really got

1000
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: to show, being a little bit undersize that, you know,

1001
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: five nine, two hundred pounds good, but with the height

1002
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: is can he hold up as a protector. And I

1003
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: thought he really did well in the drills Tuesday and

1004
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: Wednesday against the linebackers holding up. Then he was really

1005
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: good in the one on one pass stuff, in the

1006
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: seven on sevens, and then you got to the team

1007
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: stuff in on Wednesday, he blew a seventy yard touchdown

1008
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: right down the middle, showed off the speed. I thought

1009
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: he showed a complete game. I think I think he

1010
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: proved down here that he's a three down back. Explosive

1011
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: runs and it's hard to beat three down back at

1012
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: five nine, and especially with the draft capitol where he

1013
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: might go. You're looking at that guy in a committee,

1014
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: but imagine that guy's your two and you just have

1015
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: a home run hitter like that, And he showed it yesterday.

1016
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm one of the final plays of practice in team period,

1017
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: he broke that seventy yard touchdown and he held up

1018
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: in protection, and I was really really impressed. For another

1019
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, Tulane was very good this year, but a

1020
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: G five guy doing against Power five competition here. All right,

1021
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: another sneaky maybe need for the Lions linebacker. You know,

1022
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Alexanzeloni is headed toward understicktor free agency. I got the

1023
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: sense talking to him after the season that he's maybe

1024
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: looking for a longer term deal. He's signed to one

1025
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: of your deals. Here, we'll see, you know where Brad

1026
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: and Ray and those guys stand on bringing him back.

1027
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: You've got Derek Barnes obviously Malcolm Rodriguez, but I think

1028
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: you could look to add to that group. And of

1029
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: the guys down here, I thought, uh, Dayon Henley out

1030
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: of Washington State was was a guy that kind of

1031
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: caught my eye and and really Peg it was more

1032
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: for the stuff that he did in pass Boro that

1033
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: was that was really he had four one on one

1034
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: reps in a row with a pass breakup and the

1035
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: ability to kind of turn his hips and run. He

1036
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: was one on one with Chase Brown, one of the

1037
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: better running backs here, you know, a big play guy.

1038
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: They were one on one in drills and he kind

1039
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: of just flipped his hips. Brown tried to run a

1040
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: wheel route, flipped his hips rant step for step with him.

1041
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: And the way this league is now obviously the passing

1042
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: league teams are looking for these linebackers, these third down

1043
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: guys that can the Chris board. He kind of played

1044
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: that role for Detroit this year. A guy also headed

1045
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: toward for agency, but a guy that you can put

1046
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: in on third down and you can say, hey, he

1047
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: can cover tight ends, he can call for running backs.

1048
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a big need teams are looking for.

1049
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: And I think he showed down here that that he's

1050
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: one of the better linebackers at least of the group

1051
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: down here, that that that can cover guys absolutely. And

1052
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's got the makings of a

1053
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: three down player to may you look at what he

1054
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: did this year Washington State over one hundred tackles. He's

1055
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: got the coverage ability. He showed it off against Spears

1056
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: and Brown and all the good running backs on that

1057
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: team down here, and you know, he was the one

1058
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the huddle getting everybody fired up,

1059
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: and that team especially, they were fired up on defense

1060
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: during practice on Wednesday, he was he was the one

1061
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: kind of rallying the troops. And that is just you know,

1062
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: that's a little thing that you get from being at

1063
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: practice down here, and the scouts I'm sure are taking

1064
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: a look at that as well as well. Who's on

1065
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: your list? I mean key On White from Georgia Tech,

1066
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: the edge rusher. I think that guy is he might

1067
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: be the best player here especially think I think I

1068
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: think he might have cemented to himself. We'll see what

1069
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: he does at the combine and the testing, but I

1070
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: think there's a guy that maybe was a fringe first

1071
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: second round guy. I think he really helped himself into

1072
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: the mid to late part of the first round. I

1073
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: think you look at what Jermaine Johnson did last year

1074
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: and he he went twenty six, but you know he

1075
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: was a fringe first round guy and then he was

1076
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: in the top ten of everybody's boards by the end

1077
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: of this week, and I think Keyon White is going

1078
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: to have a similar rise and we'll see where he

1079
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: ends up in the draft. But man, especially in the

1080
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: run game, to me, you know, you see what he

1081
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: could do as a pass rusher with his is crazy

1082
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: stats at Georgia Tech, but the run game this week

1083
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: was really impressive. How many sacks you think he has

1084
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: if they can actually hit the quarterbacks this week because

1085
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: you know is they wear the red jersey's right and

1086
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: you have to you know, hold them at the cornerbacks.

1087
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: But I think there were a ton of times where

1088
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: he just he had got there, had to hold up.

1089
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: He was disruptive all week in both aspects of the game.

1090
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: All Right, two guys for me, Um again sneaky potential

1091
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: needs for Detroit the right guard. Um that. You know,

1092
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with with Big Vu obviously missed

1093
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: all of last year. He is under contract, but you know,

1094
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: backs can be finnicky, injuries you never know. And then

1095
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Evan Brown is headed toward unrestricted free agency, so there

1096
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: could be a little bit of knee there. Um Osiris

1097
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: Torrens out of Florida. I think he's the best guard

1098
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: in this draft. I thought he had a really solid

1099
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: week all week long, really showed off an ability to anchor,

1100
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: especially in the run game, and look played right guard,

1101
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: played left guard down here again, that versatility that we

1102
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: talked about was even snapping some a little bit. Didn't

1103
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: do it actually in team rest, but off to the side,

1104
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: and teams wanted to see that part of it from

1105
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: him too. I thought he was really really good. I

1106
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: give Osiris Towards a lot of credit because he's pretty

1107
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: much the couldn't census top guard and he didn't have

1108
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: to come here. He had already cemented himself and people

1109
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: really liked what he did this season at Florida. But

1110
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: he came and I think he did exactly what he

1111
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: needed to do. He didn't screw anything up. He was

1112
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: just steady, Eddy good and you know, transitioning Keyon White

1113
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: and Osiris storrets to me or the two first round

1114
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: picks out of this group, if I had to bet

1115
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: right now, you know. And speaking of Torres, I got

1116
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him on Wednesday, and it

1117
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: was interesting. When he was at Florida, his offensive line

1118
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: coach used to watch him in the office. Line used

1119
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: watched film and one of the guys that they really

1120
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: keyed in on was Oregon's Penney Sewel. And you say, well,

1121
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: Penny played tackle, Torrance is a guard. But I thought

1122
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: it was a unique perspective from those two two because

1123
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: they were similar size, because they were similar athletic skill sets.

1124
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: They would look at his hands, talking about seul in

1125
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: his feet and how technical he was and try to

1126
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: take some of that stuff into his game. I thought

1127
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: it was kind of an interesting perspective there, and I

1128
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: asked him what would it be like then you're a

1129
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: freshman sophomore watching Seul at Oregon to be able to

1130
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: line up right next he got a huge smile on

1131
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: his face and then he said, Frank rag now is

1132
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: a pro Bowl two Pro bowl er two right, be

1133
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: able to sit right in the middle of two pro

1134
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: bowlers to start your career and not a bad little spot.

1135
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: And looked towards got five picks in the top eighty one.

1136
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's out of the realm of

1137
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: possibility that you look at a guy like like um

1138
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: Torrents to to to be you know, second round pick.

1139
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't think you pull the trigger there at eighteen.

1140
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I think that eight early. But it's a good spots,

1141
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: not a bad If you look at where the guards

1142
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: went in the last couple of years, that that mid

1143
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: teens is really where that they've been going. Kenyan Green

1144
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: went seventeenth last year, so that's a similar kind of prospect,

1145
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: and eighteen might be the spot if you're looking at

1146
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: a Siren Strents for the Lions. All right, another maybe

1147
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: sneaky position of need. Team traded t J. Hockenson at

1148
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Um Luke Musgrave um, a guy that

1149
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: I thought was, you know, had a pretty good week here.

1150
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that Michael Mayor is

1151
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the top tight end from Notre Dame, but I think

1152
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: there's a group of guys that were all compb that

1153
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: second guy, and I thought it was any second round

1154
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: tight ends this yet had had a pretty good week

1155
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: down here, especially on Wednesday when they were running a

1156
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: drill where they were on their side. It was kind

1157
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: of a two minute pier. They were on their side

1158
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: of the fifty yard line. They had thirty five seconds

1159
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: left on the clock, needed a touchdown, and Musgrave made

1160
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: a big play down the right sideline then made a

1161
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: key catch over the middle. And when you're a quarterback,

1162
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: you're looking for those kind of friendly guys, right the

1163
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: safety valve quarterbacks best safety valves, those big catch radiuses.

1164
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: And look, he's six five two fifty light, big target.

1165
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: I thought he was a guy that that I thought

1166
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: helped himself this week as well. I just I really

1167
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: liked how fluid he was, especially running on the first

1168
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: aid practice. They had him in one on ones against

1169
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: the linebackers and safeties that they were running deep post

1170
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: to the tight ends, and I really liked how just

1171
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: his hips moved and getting in the middle of the field,

1172
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: and you know that's where you're making your money. You

1173
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: watched Travis Kelsay in the playoffs. It's over the middle

1174
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: of the field and what can you do after the

1175
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: catch with that? And I thought, you know, depth of

1176
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: target those ten fifteen yards middle of the field. Musgrave

1177
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: really impressed me this one. I think that'll be an

1178
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: interesting one this year for Ben Johnson. This offense, just

1179
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: because you know they traded t J. Hacketson was still

1180
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, twelve touchdowns from the tight end position,

1181
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: only three of those from t J. Hockinson Um. You know,

1182
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: guys like brock Wright UM and in Shane's Alster really

1183
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: really productive. So do you need to you know, get

1184
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: a guy that can you get you know, can you

1185
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: kind of go with what you have and and the

1186
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: success because of the other pieces that you have. Maybe

1187
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: teams forgot about the tight end position a little bit

1188
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson's very creative with that position and how

1189
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: we used it. So I think that'll be interesting. Do

1190
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you spend a Day two pick on a tight end

1191
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: or do you maybe wait. Obviously drafted Mitchell last year.

1192
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: I thought he you know, really came on toward the

1193
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: end of the year, so I think that'll be an

1194
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: interesting one. But I think Musgrave is definitely in the

1195
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: mix air in terms of that that that second group

1196
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: of tight ends that are off the poor. If there

1197
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: is a year to draft to day two tight end,

1198
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: this is the right one. Yeah, at least in recent memory. Yeah,

1199
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: all right, you've got a couple of sleepers here. Well,

1200
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: we got one more guy on your top ten list,

1201
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: Kylee blue Kelly, Yes, Stanford dB. I mean, we're going

1202
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: to talk about it for the rest of the offseason.

1203
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Lions have a need at cornerback, and he was the

1204
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: best one here. He was, but it is a really

1205
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: really strong class of underclassmen and senior Devin Witherspoon, who's

1206
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the best corner in this class, pulled

1207
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: out because he didn't need to be here as the

1208
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: top ten pick. And you know, but you got Christian

1209
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: Dallas and Joey Porter and there's underclassman too. But Kye

1210
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: blue Kelly, at least of the senior Bowl group stood out. Yeah,

1211
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: especially on Wednesday, had that great play along the right

1212
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: sideline pass breakups too. He basically just went and snatched

1213
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the ball out of the wide receiver's handle on the

1214
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: sideline return to forty yards for a touchdown. Was the

1215
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: last play of the team period that defensive units talked

1216
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: about nuts. They all swarned him in the end zone. Um,

1217
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: he had a good day. I thought he helped himself. Yeah.

1218
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I was really really impressed with him. That's another long,

1219
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, six two body type that that the Lions

1220
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: could look at. And he's got some Lions ties to Yeah. Yeah,

1221
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: father played for the Lions, and what do you you know,

1222
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: they have to decide what are you looking for a quarterback?

1223
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: Is it going to be an early round pick? And

1224
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: it's certainly the board is probably gonna suit you at

1225
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: either six or eighteen, But if you're looking at day

1226
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: two or even day three, it's a really deep classic

1227
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: corner Don't be surprised if they add more than one. Yeah, absolutely,

1228
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: I think you know, obviously jeffalcoded, they loved Jerry Jacobs,

1229
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: but I thought Will Harris came on a little stronger

1230
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: at the end. But I think they're going to certainly

1231
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: look to add competition to that cornerback group. Don't be

1232
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: surprised at all if they get a free agent. I

1233
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they draft too. I think they

1234
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: really want to improve the depth and the competition that cornerback. Yeah,

1235
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: all right, who are your sleepers? All right, my, my,

1236
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: my sleeper. You're you're gonna make fun of men. And

1237
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: it's not I wouldn't, I would never. It's not a

1238
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: need now, you never. It's not a lead for the Lions.

1239
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: But I'm anticipating this now. Rice Barons or the punter

1240
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: from Michigan State Hunter punter from Michigan State. You were

1241
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: watching the punters, I was watching the Jack Fox. I

1242
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: was watching the punters and he's got a boot. And

1243
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: I know it's not a need for the Lions, but

1244
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't not shout him out. After the week he

1245
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: had seventy five yards first punt on Tuesday. I mean

1246
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: really impressed. It was impressive, really impressive stuff. And I

1247
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: know that's not I will say. I maybe might have

1248
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: went to my computer and did some work when the

1249
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: Special Team's period. This guy doesn't want the kudos to

1250
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: you for for watching the funny guy. Look at you,

1251
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: Special Team, Stave Fip, I got you and the other

1252
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: guy for me, Evan Hole another running back from Northwestern. Yeah,

1253
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: he was good. He was really good, and his tape

1254
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: is really interesting. You know, Northwestern was not great this year,

1255
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: but he was their entire offense and they have, you know,

1256
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: a top ten pick in Peter Skronski at left tackle

1257
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: and and him at running back, and those two guys

1258
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: were the offense and what he was able to do

1259
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: on a bad Northwestern team put up the numbers that

1260
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: he did, and then I think really impressed. I liked

1261
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: his vision, hit holes really hard today, broke a couple

1262
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: you know runs and in practice, and I was really

1263
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: impressed with him. Trivia with twentyman. Who's his agent? It

1264
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: happens to be a Lions legend, a Lions legend, Lions legend.

1265
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: Zach Zenter is his agent. Zack Centers got it, gotten

1266
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: into the hum into the agent game. He's also an agent,

1267
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: neutronist lawyer. He's kind of gone that route. He's got

1268
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: a couple guys down here that that did pretty well.

1269
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: Now he's one of those guys. I like that. He

1270
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: was a guy that stood out to it. He just

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Speaker 1: missed my top ten list. He was a guy that

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Speaker 1: definitely got gotta show us some love. Gotta show some love. Well,

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Speaker 1: that'll do it. From the Senior Bowl. Here for the

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Speaker 1: twentymen the Huddle cop Podcast. But you know what, you

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Speaker 1: want to go to Arizona. I set the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We may as well, all right, So guess what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be back next week from Arizona. We got to

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Speaker 1: spot on Radio Row. We're gonna try to get a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Lions players. We're gonna try to get a

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Speaker 1: bunch of national personalities. Maybe Dad dan Orloski might stop by.

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Speaker 1: Bats a tease, Barry Sanders, we might get some guys

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Speaker 1: down there. So I hope you enjoyed the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: coverage from the twenty in the Huddle Podcast. We will

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Speaker 1: be down in Arizona next week. We'll have much more

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Speaker 1: for you down there. Thank you guys for joining