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Speaker 1: Welcome into North Side Territory File Territory Networks Cubs Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Saadeve Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are

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Speaker 1: your Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, we

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Speaker 1: have another mail bag episode. Unsurprisingly, the fans are always

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Speaker 1: willing to send in their questions. Always appreciate your willingness

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Speaker 1: to interact with us and ask us questions and try

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Speaker 1: and get answers to whatever is going on in Cubs Land.

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Speaker 2: It's not too angsty right now.

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Speaker 1: I think two wins in Atlanta really ease some stress.

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Speaker 1: You know, this team, I thought, I think I said

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Speaker 1: it last episode. I have to give them some credit

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Speaker 1: because I was down on them after Monday's loss and

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Speaker 1: they bounce back well. And they've done that all season long.

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Speaker 1: There are moments where we've seen like this is it,

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Speaker 1: this is the long losing streak or something, and I

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Speaker 1: honestly thought there was a chance they could get sweat

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Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and they were able to avoid that obviously

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Speaker 1: and win the series against two really good pitchers.

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Speaker 2: Let's kick this off.

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Speaker 1: First question already thinking playoffs here, which you should be

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Speaker 1: Jordan Zickert, do you think Kate could be the game,

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Speaker 1: one starter and a potential wildcard season.

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Speaker 2: That's Kate Horton. Of course, what do you think, Patrick,

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Speaker 2: why not?

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't have any concrete information in terms

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Speaker 3: of where the Cubs are leaning. Council had said there

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Speaker 3: is a point where you have to kind of start

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Speaker 3: nearing it. I would say that would be mid September,

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Speaker 3: maybe on next week's road trip, maybe get a little

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Speaker 3: more clarity on that. I think the big thing is

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Speaker 3: that you would trust Kate Horton in that situation, which

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Speaker 3: is amazing to think considering how slow his ramp up

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Speaker 3: was in spring training and how cautious the Cubs have

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Speaker 3: been with him, how last year was largely a wasted

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Speaker 3: season developmentally. I think what has been answered is that

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Speaker 3: like he's great at Wrigley Field, if you look at

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Speaker 3: kind of assuming they're hosting the padres there, we'll see

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Speaker 3: how that shakes out. And also I think they know

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Speaker 3: his background and how he's handled himself as a rookie

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Speaker 3: that they don't think the moment would speed up on him,

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Speaker 3: and he is kind of checking all those boxes in

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Speaker 3: terms of getting better as the season progress progresses, applying

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Speaker 3: what he's learned. So I think the best way the

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Speaker 3: answer is like certainly in play, and they would not

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Speaker 3: have any hesitation in terms of the weight of that assignment.

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Speaker 3: And we'll see how things shake out here. What do

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Speaker 3: you think, sotif.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you can rule it out?

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Speaker 3: Is how Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If i'd put him as the leader, I think I

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Speaker 1: would go Shoda. I think that's how i'd go, just

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Speaker 1: the way things are playing out right now, I understand.

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Speaker 1: And and maybe that's just me leaning towards like I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put a rookie in Game one, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that's a bad thought process. Just go with the

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Speaker 1: guy that's pitching the best. And I think it's hard

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Speaker 1: to argue that Kate Horton's Like there, what's the argument

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Speaker 1: against saying that Kate Horton's pitching the best right now

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Speaker 1: among this staff. I mean, he's arguably pitching the best

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Speaker 1: among any pitcher in baseball right now. I guess the

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Speaker 1: argument would be he hasn't gone six seven innings consistently.

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Speaker 1: I think I would dismiss that if I like, so,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm right now, what I'm doing is convincing myself

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Speaker 1: would still go with Shoda and just go with I know,

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Speaker 1: and I think Council specifically told you guys on the road,

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Speaker 1: like splitting up the lefties is not something he need

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Speaker 3: He called it irrelevant when I brought that idea up,

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Speaker 3: because in the back of my head, I remember Cubs

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Speaker 3: people saying this more of a regular season thing. But

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Speaker 3: when they had Cole Hamil's, John Lester, Jose Kintana, was

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Speaker 3: I totally wasn't pulling it out of thin air, you know,

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Speaker 3: with the Hamil's Katona Lester. But Council very much disagreed.

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Speaker 3: So that that's why I thought maybe he'd be a

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Speaker 3: the other his other point, I think we've mentioned this before,

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Speaker 3: was the result of Game one dictates everything, and so

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Speaker 3: that game there is really no Game three starter if

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Speaker 3: you've lost Game one, that it's all hands on deck,

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Speaker 3: remind myself too, because I was looking up Jake Arieta's

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Speaker 3: looking at it as two times through the lineup ish, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that just the way these bullpens and pitching staffs are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think talking through this now.

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Speaker 1: So if you're thinking Game two may turn out to

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Speaker 1: Like maybe splitting the lefties isn't important, but having a

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Speaker 1: you have Boyd and Kate Horton available. I'm just kind

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Speaker 1: things that I've heard from Tommy Hotteby or Craig Counsel yet,

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Speaker 1: Like these are things that I kind of just going

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Speaker 1: which I think is too early to do, but I

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Speaker 1: think Kate Horton lines up as too game two and

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Speaker 1: showeda lines up as game one. Our friend Megan Montemorro

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Speaker 1: was counting it out in the in the press box

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Speaker 1: the other day in Atlanta, and that's what she saw.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're too early on that. I

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Speaker 1: Maybe let's wake wait a couple of days, but I

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Speaker 1: think you can count it out and that's why it's

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Speaker 3: The counsel did acknowledge this is Labor Day weekend in Denver,

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Speaker 3: that you can sort of script it out and there's

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Speaker 3: a way that it could just flow like that into

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Speaker 3: a playoff series, but that they you can't count the

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Speaker 3: days out and assume that automatically. Going to Ben is

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Speaker 3: kind of the wiggle room that he left there.

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Speaker 1: We could be talking about clinching in a week and

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Speaker 1: that that changes how everything. Then they have another week

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Speaker 1: to set everything up. So uh, okay, more pitching questions.

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Speaker 1: Are there any plans to get Boyd and Horton some

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Speaker 1: extra rest? I'm surprised the Cubs are moving Aside to

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Speaker 1: ten game stretch. Uh, here's here's my like. Look, Yes,

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Speaker 1: exact plans, And maybe that's a good question to ask

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Speaker 1: in in pregame today or this weekend. H I think

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Speaker 1: I think you have to get these guys extra rest.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the extra rest is simply you're going to clinch

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Speaker 1: that's a way to get rest. And then you start

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Speaker 1: lining things up and give guys extra rest. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: have Sabali in there, they have a sad in there.

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Speaker 1: They're they're gonna have sorocas soon, who had a really

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Speaker 1: good outing on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Am I missing someone that can go long?

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Speaker 1: Ben Brown is still up with the team, right.

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Speaker 2: So there are people that can go long.

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Speaker 1: You can shorten the start, so I think there are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like that's been the plan. I mean

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Speaker 3: you pointed this out last year with Counsel that his

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Speaker 3: plan is always to give starters extra ress. That you

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Speaker 3: look at what he has done in Milwaukee, not even

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Speaker 3: his default is almost always towards giving guys extra rest.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be kind of shocking if they did not

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Speaker 3: build that in here very soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's do our DraftKings player spotlight. Okay,

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Speaker 1: today's spotlight is Matthew Boyd. Matthew Boyd obviously one of

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Speaker 1: the better starters in this rotation. I think there's been

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Speaker 1: some questions as to how he's been pitching, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case, right, He's not pitching

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Speaker 1: In fact, since August eighth, his August eighth start, he's

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Speaker 1: given up at least two earned runs in every start,

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Speaker 1: which just hasn't been like Matthew Boyd. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: he has not gone under five innings since May May

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Speaker 1: It's that bad outing against the Reds. That's the last

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Speaker 1: time he didn't and that wasn't even a bad outing.

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Speaker 1: What happened was he kind of like had it was

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Speaker 1: but it was like it started. There were some hard

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Speaker 1: first inning. But I don't need to make excuses for him.

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Speaker 1: He's been brilliant for the majority of the season. I

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Speaker 1: do think I have had some minor concerns about him lately,

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Speaker 1: but I do think Washington start was really nice.

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Speaker 1: That was I think that was Sunday, so that game

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Speaker 1: maybe it was Saturday. Either way, Yeah, either way, whatever

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Speaker 1: as far as the rotation goes, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 3: Feels like, I mean we just did this that he's

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Speaker 3: a little bit overlooked, Like as we're talking about playoff

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Speaker 3: rotation stuff like Kate Horton showed him a NAGA and

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Speaker 3: Boyd is the only one amongst that group that has

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Speaker 3: major league postseason experience, and he performed at a very

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Speaker 3: high level for the Guardians last October. I think we've

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Speaker 3: all been sort of waiting for that dip from Boyd,

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Speaker 3: like just because he hasn't pitched a full season since

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Speaker 3: September and be the anchor of this rotation is extremely impressive.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine where the Cubs would be without

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Speaker 3: Boyd given what happened to Justin Steele so early in

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Speaker 3: pitchers who did not step forward for whatever reason. He's

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Speaker 3: the one who's who's carried this team in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways. And I mean, going building off our previous question, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe you give him a little bit of everyone's handing

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Speaker 3: out resets here. Maybe we give Matthew Boyd a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a reset. He knows what it takes to

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Speaker 3: pitch in October. He's, you know, a tremendous teammate, one

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Speaker 3: of the nicest people you'll ever encounter in the baseball industry,

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Speaker 3: enormously respected in there, and has brought we talk about

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Speaker 3: a team that's been consistent, that hasn't had the long

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Speaker 3: It's really been invaluable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a you know, he's had probably

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, Let's get back to these questions. We

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Speaker 1: got a question from Blue Line Theology, who Who's my buddy?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: He started this with I believe that the question started.

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Speaker 1: I didn't include this on the screen, but I believe

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Speaker 1: it started with dearest Sahad. So oh wow, yeah, uh

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Speaker 1: and and he he's talking about Kyle Tucker here and

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Speaker 1: the injuries. Are the Cubs unique because it feels like

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Speaker 1: they are in struggling to settle on a strategy for

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Speaker 1: injured players.

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Speaker 2: Look, we talked about this last episode. I do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're unique, because I just it's

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Speaker 1: it's really hard to follow the injury.

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Speaker 2: I l issues of other teams.

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Speaker 1: When I've talked to other other reporters about it, or

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Speaker 1: even someone like Megan who's covered the Phillies, they seem

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Speaker 1: to say, like, this doesn't this isn't super unique. I

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Speaker 1: do think we've gotten a couple. I think the Tucker

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Speaker 1: one is especially frustrating, and it's it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: the limit that's Look, I.

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Speaker 2: Think this is how it goes.

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Speaker 1: This is how it goes. It's not a major injury.

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Speaker 1: It's not a break, it's not a tear. It's not

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Speaker 1: something that this is an obvious il stint. The players

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Speaker 1: like either like I can play through this, or they're

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Speaker 1: they're saying, give me two more days, give me give

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Speaker 1: me two more days. I'm gonna be fine. I know

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Speaker 1: how my body heals. I can give you a seven.

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Speaker 1: I can give you those seven days that we would

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Speaker 1: have otherwise lost.

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely I know players that have been.

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Speaker 1: Put on the EL that say I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: go on the I L. I just they I just

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Speaker 1: decided not to have the fight. I was ready in

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Speaker 1: two days. I could have I could have gone, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't want they you know, I didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: having the back and forth with them, or or I

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Speaker 1: let them win that one. Uh So this is something

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Speaker 1: and it's not a fight. It's just a back and forth.

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Speaker 1: They have to take the player's input. They can't just say,

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Speaker 1: I mean sometimes they can just say you're going on

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Speaker 1: the I L like this is bad, like this, you know,

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Speaker 1: but they have to have some medical evidence, I believe,

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Speaker 1: and they have to have trainers on their side.

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Speaker 3: So it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a gray area. And I don't think the Cubs

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Speaker 1: are unique to this.

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Speaker 2: We are all just.

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Speaker 1: Focused on them. It's just like bullpen usage. It's just

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Speaker 1: like slumps. Every team has these issues. Every team goes

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Speaker 1: through these slumps, and every team has these debates with

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Speaker 1: their players about is it time to.

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Speaker 2: Go on the IL or not.

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Speaker 1: This one was a tough one because it was right

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Speaker 1: on that borderline council even said it like five six days.

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Speaker 2: That's when you get to this weird situation. It's like

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Speaker 2: we got to make a decision here.

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Speaker 3: I would also add that all injured players are not

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Speaker 3: treated the same that it does seem like pitchers have

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Speaker 3: different thresholds than position players in terms of how cautious

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Speaker 3: the organization is going to be. And then yeah, there

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Speaker 3: are some players like Kyle Tucker who are stars who

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Speaker 3: get a little more runway here to figure things out

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Speaker 3: and defer decisions until ultimately their hands are forced.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last question from Dustin divorziek. If Carter Hawkins leeps

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Speaker 1: for the national jobs, who are some candidates to replace him?

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Speaker 1: And what impact will his departure have on the twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty two Cubs? Just in the nice little they get

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Speaker 1: Harter there for his twenty thirty two comments that is,

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Speaker 1: he's never gonna live that dewn.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He annoyed Cubs fans with that comment and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to let it go. I understand. I think the candidates, like,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my two prime ones are Jared Banner

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Speaker 1: and Essen Bakari because their assistant GMS, right, that has

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Speaker 1: to be the obvious candidates internally the other candidate that's

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Speaker 1: kind of out of the box. But because I know

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Speaker 1: he'd like to run baseball ops departments someday, maybe too early,

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Speaker 1: probably early, and doing this having him leap over people

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Speaker 1: would be Tyler's zambro. I think it's too early, and

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Speaker 1: I think you it can cause some front office dynamics

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Speaker 1: if you kind of leap over the guys that have

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Speaker 1: been there. I don't know for sure, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying like that's it's natural to like feel some things like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I've been here, I've been doing things.

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Speaker 2: I've been helping this team build this team to win.

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Speaker 1: Outside of that, I don't I can't name external candidates

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. This is something that

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Speaker 1: if it comes to that, I think you and I

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Speaker 1: will start digging. It's kind of hard to name. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what direction Jed would want to go. Maybe

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Speaker 1: pitching again, Maybe pitching is a focus. Find another voice.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's always good to find voices, external

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Speaker 1: voices and bring them in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot of ways they could

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Speaker 3: go by, Like they don't need a GM in title.

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Speaker 3: Jed has a small inner circle and We're assuming most

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Speaker 3: of them will be around most, if not all, will

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Speaker 3: be around next season. And I think through Carter's work

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes, the Cubs have been brought up to

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Speaker 3: speed in certain areas that Jed wanted addressed. And you know,

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Speaker 3: some of this stuff is just title inflation, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: you like, there's a lot of you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: a GM now in baseball is what an assistant GM

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Speaker 3: used to be not that long ago. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll see how the Cubs staff up with a lockout coming.

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Speaker 3: I think that's something to monitor. They've made a lot

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Speaker 3: of changes behind the scenes that we detailed last year

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Speaker 3: in terms of how they go about scouting. Now this

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Speaker 3: is a very model heavy team and so Carter was

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Speaker 3: brought in to bring that Cleveland perspective, that small market discipline.

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Speaker 3: I think we've all seen that. So like, is that

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Speaker 3: just kind of part of the organization's DNA now and

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Speaker 3: do you have to replace that with something similar? Do

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Speaker 3: you want a different voice? And there's also to your

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Speaker 3: points side of like do you have to reward some

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Speaker 3: of your own people too, that if the Cubs make

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Speaker 3: the playoffs here, if if they go on a nice

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Speaker 3: run in October, Like there are people who have made

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Speaker 3: contributions that should be recognized as well. So a really

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Speaker 3: good question. It's just kind of a little too far

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Speaker 3: ahead for us to like get more concrete than that.

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Speaker 3: But something will be covering for sure over the next

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Speaker 3: several weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if Carter, I'm not even sure if we can

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Speaker 1: get much information before Carter actually leaves, Like that's one

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Speaker 1: of the swear. Yeah, it'd be hard to like even

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Speaker 1: even get anything concrete until the decision has been made.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see, we'll see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know that, I think the process, you know,

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Speaker 1: you'd want that to be done by the playoffs ish

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Speaker 1: uh sometime, you know not you don't want that dragging

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Speaker 1: it too deep into October. I'm trying to think usually

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Speaker 1: mid October is when these things are done. There are

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Speaker 1: cases where it drags onto the GM meetings and beyond.

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Speaker 1: I think we've maybe even the giants.

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Speaker 3: Of it, or yeah, the giants when Farham came on

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Speaker 3: and then Scott Harris came on. Yes, that like that

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Speaker 3: was a longer one. Yeah, so it could drag on.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see how quickly.

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Speaker 1: They get this done and if if Carter is the choice.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. This is Northside Territory. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: on top of all things cubs. Thanks for listening to everyone.

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