1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm Tracy B. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: We uh spent the whole week talking about the Vietnam 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: War and draft board raids. This was an episode that 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: when I started thinking about it five years ago and 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: in the times that I've thought about it since, I 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: was like, is there gonna be enough information about this 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: because it seemed kind of scattered and a lot of 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 2: what you find unless you're going through like news reporting 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: as it happened, of every single thing, which I did 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: do a lot of reading of the news reports of 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: what happened. A lot of times things are summed up 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: in just a couple of sentences. So it's like twenty 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: eight people broke into this place and they did this 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: to the draft records. So I was like, is this 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: really gonna work? And then as I got into the 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: Camden twenty eight story and was like, this is wild. 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: We had these people do this, they have their their 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: friend informing on them, we have this trial that needs 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: its whole section. I was like, maybe it's a whole 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: episode on just the Camden twenty eight, and that felt 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: like it was not doing justice to the fact that 25 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: it was part of a much bigger movement, and then 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: talking about the much bigger movement needed a lot more 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: explanation of why we were even having this happen, which 28 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: meant discussion in more detail of the Vietnam War than 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: I think you and I have ever gotten into on 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: the show on purpose. Yes, a topic I have not 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: been comfortable really getting into. Yeah. Me, my dad served 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: in Vietnam. He was deployed to Vietnam in nineteen seventy one, 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: so during that period that you know, removal of troops 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: was happening, but people also being sent over there for 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: the first time. I also have more extended a member 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: of the family who was killed in Vietnam and then 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: growing up in the you know, latter half of the 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and into the nineteen eighties and just kind 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: of being steeped in what the culture of the United 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: States was like at that point. I've always been like, yikes, 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: we have plenty of other stuff to talk about. Don't 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: really need to get into that. 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, here we are here, we are. 44 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean my dad is career military and served in Vietnam. 46 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: We have never talked about it. Yeah, that was made 47 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: very clear to me as a kid that that was 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: an off limits subject. Yeah, so I don't have a 49 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: lot of information. 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: I have one story about my dad's time in Vietnam, 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: and it is about when he was preparing to go 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: home and how everyone was when it was approaching time 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: to go home. People were terrified because it was like, 54 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: if something's going to happen to me, now is when 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: it's going to happen. 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: Right. 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: Apparently he had to pass everybody had to pass a 58 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: drug test to be able to go back home, and 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 2: if you didn't pass your drug test, you could only 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: get as far as Okinawa and you had to wait 61 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: there for I don't know what. And so in the 62 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: midst of just this anxiety about what was going to happen, 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: he hadn't really had anything to eat or drink, and 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: so the sample he gave was not valid for his 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: drug test. He had to do it over and he's 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: not He's not ever told me much more about it 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: beyond that, but having been kind of a pacifist person 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: from my early childhood generally feeling that war is bad, 69 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: and then growing up through the years of stuff like 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: Operation desert storm, and like people's responses about that still 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: being cut by what had happened with the anti Vietnam 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: War movement, which, as we said in the episode, way 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: broader than hippies and college kids. Yeah, anyway, it was 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: just it was a weird time to grow up. 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: For sure. And I feel like part of the reason 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: that it was always off limits in my family for 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: discussion was because not just of my father's service, but 78 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: my mom, who I would not say was anti war 79 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: or a pacifist, although I don't really know. We never 80 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: talked about it. Was very Catholic, and so I wonder 81 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: if there was some like just like, we don't want 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: to start peeling this onion. It is too complicated. There 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: are too many issues in play. Yeah, Like, I think 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: it was just a let's not have a potentially tricky conversation. 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm making, you know, the following items for dinner. Yeah, yeah, 86 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily a fan of nuance my mom, right, Yeah, 87 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: I think that was part of it too. So for 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: all I know, my dad would have been like, yeah, 89 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: I'll talk about it. My mom was like, let's not. 90 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, I can still ask my dad, but 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of don't want to bug a 92 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: dude in his eighties about stuff like that, right, right, Yeah, 93 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: he's never volunteered anything, so right. 94 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad also worked in a motor pool, so 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: he was not in a like frontline kind of combat position. 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: Anyway. 97 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: I had a couple of things that came up in 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: the research for this that didn't have just a good 99 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: place to go in the episode, so I kind of 100 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about them and behind the scenes now 101 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: that I have talked about my profoundest comfort of trying 102 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: to talk about Vietnam on the show. One the flower 103 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: Power image. Love that photo. I really do. The person 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: in the photo George Harris, really George Harris the third 105 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: later known as Hibiscus, so I think he was eighteen 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: or nineteen when that picture was taken. Had a theater 107 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: background or from childhood, like theater family and like doing plays, 108 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: the siblings and all of that. After the war, went 109 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: to the San Francisco Bay area and helped found an 110 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: avant garde drag performance group called the Cockettes. Other cocattes 111 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: include Divine. 112 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know of the Cockettes. I did not realize 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: this was the connection though. 114 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Hibiscus, one of the founders of the Cocattes, 115 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: also one of the founders of the Angel of Light 116 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: Theater Troop, one of his fellow performers in all of this, 117 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: in an article about him in The New York Times, 118 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: described him as quote, he came out of the closet 119 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: wearing the entire closet. I love that so much. It's 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: also very clear that his gender was pretty fluid. But 121 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: everything that I have read about him has used him 122 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: pronouns for him. He had a relationship with Alan Ginsberg, 123 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: like a relationship, right, like a physical slash romantic relationship. 124 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: So tragically he died of AIDS related diseases in nineteen 125 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: eighty two. That was so early in the AIDS crisis 126 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: that the terms human immune deficiency virus and acquired immune 127 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: deficiency syndrome had not even been coined yet to describe it. 128 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: He was only thirty two. I'd want to go back 129 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: in time and with his consent, hug him. That was 130 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: thing number one. I just I wanted to talk more 131 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: about Pybiscus and all of that and kind of you know, 132 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: where his life went from being in this famous picture 133 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: the other thing father Michael Doyle. Yeah, this requires a 134 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: little bit of context. So in a number of Christian 135 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: denominations on ash Wednesday, there is some kind of like 136 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: observation or service right that is usually done with the 137 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: palms from Palm Sunday the previous year. So Palm Sunday 138 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: commemorates Jesus coming into Jerusalem and people waving palm branches, 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: and there's usually something with palm branches at the church service, 140 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 2: and then those branches are saved. The next year, they 141 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: are burned to make the ashes for ash Wednesday, and 142 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: then on ash Wednesday there's something that often involves a 143 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: person getting some of the ash on their head, often 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: on their forehead in the shape of a cross. YEP, 145 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: A lot of different Like I was, I was raised Methodist. 146 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: We didn't really do this. 147 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I've had I've had the ash face many times. 148 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: Yes, Catholics do. I think Episcopalians do not. Just broadly speaking, 149 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: I'm not saying every single Catholic in the world has 150 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: done this. 151 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: You do you. 152 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm not given commands here. So Michael Doyle, at some 153 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: point during all of this, I think it might have 154 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: been after the trial, made the ashes for ash Wednesday 155 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: by burning a copy of the Pentagon papers. 156 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had heard that, but I did not know 157 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: if that was true or not. 158 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: I think there's a picture of it he's burning. 159 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh, I believe you. I just mean I never looked 160 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: it up like I heard it like a non verified source. 161 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, yeah, that happened, and I'm like. 162 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: Burned the Pentagon papers in an army helmet. Uh. And 163 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: then you know, told the congregation about like this, this 164 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: ash Wednesday ash was like a peace demonstration of he 165 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: did get in trouble uh with the you know, the 166 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: the more the higher up church authority in the Catholic 167 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: Church for doing this. I don't I didn't write down 168 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: like what specifically, whether he was reprimanded, exactly what happened, 169 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: but I was like the ash Wednesday ashes out of 170 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 2: the Pentagon papers. I don't want to step on anyone's 171 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: religious convictions, but I was like, I am be this 172 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: actually in just a philosophical way. I cannot speak to 173 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: it from a religious way because again, it's not part 174 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: of my religious tradition. Right, I will say this, right, 175 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: although he may have gotten in trouble for that, he 176 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: was a mon senior when he died, Okay, which is 177 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: a title that you get that's bestowed on people for 178 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: extraordinary service by the post. 179 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the bishop. You know, the hierarchy of the 180 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: church is very political, but the priest bishop has to 181 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: recommend them, but then the pope typically is the one 182 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: who gives them the actual title of monsignor. So while 183 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: he may have had brushes with being reprimanded, ultimately he 184 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: was recognized for his service. 185 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 186 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: He died only a couple of years ago. Yeah. 187 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot of the people who were involved 188 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: in this some way died in the period sort of 189 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: between the nineteen nineties and now, and some are presumably 190 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: still living, especially the younger people who were part of 191 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: these demonstrations. So so many like were already living a 192 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: life that was really focused on service and was focused 193 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: on social issue shoes and went on to continue to 194 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: do that after the war for the rest of their lives. 195 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: The book that I mentioned that recently came out about 196 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: the Camden twenty it kind of talked a little bit 197 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: about the Catholic left movement and some of the things 198 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: that happened in the years after this, like people who 199 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: had been part of the Vietnam the anti Vietnam protests 200 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: and really dedicated to that work were not necessarily of 201 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: the same mind as about things like abortion, right. And 202 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: then also there was the massive uh you know, sex 203 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: abuse within the Catholic Church that came to like after 204 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: all of this, and so like all of those things 205 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: played a part in uh, you know, how people continued 206 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: to do work or demonstrations and all of that afterward. 207 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: I sure do you find the Berrigan brothers fascinating, utterly fascinating. 208 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: One of them I do not remember, which went on 209 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: to get married to a former nun but still called 210 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: himself a priest afterward. Apparently they just did a lot 211 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: of very dramatic work related to a number of causes, 212 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: including the anti nuclear weapons movement after all of this, 213 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: And there's a I think fairly recent book just about 214 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: them also. 215 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: That seems correct. 216 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, this episode was about stuff that's a little 217 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: more recent than we often talk about. I sort of 218 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: have realized recently, I'm turning fifty, which means, stef that 219 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: happened before I was born happened more than fifty years ago. 220 00:13:53,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: And I know that seems obvious so jarmy, But you know, 221 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: having started working on this podcast more than a decade ago, 222 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: it feels a little different stuff that happened forty years 223 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: ago versus stuff that happened fifty years ago in terms 224 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: of like how much historical remove do we have on 225 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: this at this point? Right? So yeah, anyway, yeah, I was. 226 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: I was alive during this, so yeah, yeah, I was. 227 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: I was born in nineteen seventy five, so just afterward. 228 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: But I still feel like the Vietnam War really dominated 229 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: so much socially and politically. Oh yes, through my whole upbringing. 230 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Oh yes. So anyway, yeah we're old. I don't know 231 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: what to tell you. 232 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, aging, aging is happening. It was really working on 233 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: this episode that I I kind of like, we don't 234 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: It's not like we have a demographic survey of our 235 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: entire audience, right, we do have some indications of a 236 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: little bit of like the demographic trends of our audience, 237 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, we really are at a point 238 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: where most of the audience probably did not live through 239 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: the sixties, seventies and eighties. Yeah. 240 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that I have loved 241 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: seeing about our audience, and we have heard it from 242 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: people when we've done live shows and whatnot, is how 243 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: many of them, you know, started listening to the show 244 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: as part of like school curriculum. Oh yeah, but then 245 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: continued to listen after they had finished their education. So 246 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: they're aging up, but that still means that they were 247 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: much younger when we were, you know, initially talking to 248 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: them and yes, yeah, way outside the time window, right, 249 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: and this would have been really actively going on. Yeah yeah. 250 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: So whatever is happening on your weekend, boy do I 251 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: hope it is as great as possible if you're able 252 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: to take a little time for yourself, have a moment, 253 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: take a breath, maybe take a walk outside the weather's nice, 254 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: Maybe just a look outside if the weather's not nice, 255 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: or if you don't want to go out there. We'll 256 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand 257 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History Class is 258 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: a production of iHeartRadio. 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