1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Hour number two. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. As we 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: are rolling through the Monday edition of the program, the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: tariff battle continues. We have talked quite a lot about that. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: There has been a massive swing all ready today in 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: stock market prices. We are not CNBC or Fox Business, 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: so we will not tell you every single day what 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: the stock market prices are. But this is the latest 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: battleground as Trump tries to remake the American economy and 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: helped to make American trade practices fairer around the globe. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: In particular, this is a battle with China. I would 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: expect Buck, and I bet you would sign off on 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: this that in the days and the weeks and the 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: months ahead, basically ninety percent of all these countries are 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: going to come to the table. In America is going 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: to end up with a better trade partnership with those 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: countries going forward, and really, ultimately, the battleground is going 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to come down to, as has been predicted for some time, 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: and as Trump has been talking about truly for decades, 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: what our relationship ends up being with China, and how 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: that situation resolves itself. That is really the underlying conflict 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: that is going on at its most basic level is 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: the United States versus China on how global trade policy 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: is going to play out. 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: And we haven't spent much time today talking about the 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: national security component of all this, but it is substantial. 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 2: You cannot have your primary adversary on the world stage, 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: which is China. I know we're supposed to always be 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: so scared of everything Russia does, but Russia has a 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: fraction of the population and a fraction of the economy, 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: and you cannot be in a situation where you rely 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: on your adversary. Think about that for a moment. Imagine 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: if during the war we're like, look, we don't need 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: to make antibiotics, we don't need to make robotics, we 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: don't need it. We'll just get it all from Moscow. 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: I mean, that would be considered pretty nuts right now. 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: That obviously wasn't the case, because you know, communism, it 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: turns out is not. But China has a different version 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: of communism. It's kind of like a market market based communism, 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: if you will, or market based collectivism that they've been 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: able to grow very very rapidly, particularly the last forty years. 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: But Clay, as we've discussed the wars between near peer 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: nations in the future, it's not going to be like 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: what we've seen in the global War on Terror terror era. 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: It's going to be who can produce the most materiel 46 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: at the highest level with the best technology, and deploy 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: at the fastest and that's going to determine, I think, 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: who wins conflicts. And so the idea that we're just 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: going to continue with the status quo and we can't 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: make our own antibiotics, and we can't make a lot 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: of our own electronics, and we need China as part 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: of our day to day supply chain, that is an 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 2: unsustainable long term arrangement. While China, of course is doing 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: the tariff things so much, which we are told only 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: makes you poorer. Somehow a billion plus people in China, Clay, 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: haven't gotten that memo that the the globalistit right. Some 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: of China hasn't gotten the memo that it's so dumb. 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: The EU hasn't gotten the memo that it's so dumb. 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: Israel hasn't gotten it till now now they're like, hey, America, 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: we're buddies. We'll get rid of those tariffs. They hadn't 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: gotten the memo. That's a lot of countries that are 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: doing something that we are all supposed to believe is 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: manifestly self defeating, an idiotic. Right, And I'll tell you this. 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: You look at our immigration policies and we're the only 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: country that has ten million plus people that have piled 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: into it. You know, it's not like we can't be 67 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: the outlier in a bad way. We're so used to 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: being number one or being the outlier in a good way. 69 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: But we're the only country that was supposed to effectively 70 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: open borders in Europe. 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: It's different. In Europe. 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: It's mostly migrants who they've invited in. They've said okay, 73 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna take you, and now they know Germany and 74 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: Sweden they're finding this out the hard way. Maybe that 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: wasn't such a great idea. They didn't have people walking 76 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: across the border from Norway into Sweden. 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: Right. 78 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: We have a unique problem set there too. So I 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: think that people are going to see more and more 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: that the consensus on this is not not not correct, 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: certainly not as solid as it pretends to be. 82 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: And let me just say this, because I get it, 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: and you guys can all weigh in. I'm looking right now. 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: On April fourteenth, twenty twenty four, the S and P 85 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: five hundred was, in fact, i'm screenshotting it if I can, 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: was at forty nine sixty seven twenty three. All right, 87 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: that is lower than it is today, but basically the 88 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: same price. Okay. So for everyone out there that is 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: running around with their hair on fire, stock prices today, 90 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: meaning the S and P five hundred is the exact 91 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: same place basically that it was one year ago. I look, 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: if the stock market drops to twenty five hundred in 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: the S and P five hundred, something like that, catastrophic, 94 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: I'll look back and I'll say, boy, you know you 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: should have gotten out at forty nine hundred. But my 96 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: point on it is, I bet none of you were 97 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: panicked in any way on April fourteenth of last year. 98 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: Your stocks are the exact same value basically that they 99 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: were a year ago. At this time, ideally, stock prices 100 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: go up, but if you bought one year ago and 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: you've just held them, then you are the exact same 102 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: place as you were before. So again, like I understand 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Buck, You and I were talking about 104 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: this off air A couple of weeks ago. What was 105 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the calamity that could not be ignored? The signal great 106 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: sinel Gate? Remember remember signal Gate? Oh my goodness, can 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: you believe that they were sharing information and this journalist 108 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: from the Atlantic was on it and heads must roll, 109 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: and is anybody talking about that right now? Now? Then, 110 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: before this, what was it? Price of eggs? Everybody went 111 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: out in Unison and they said, look at how Trump 112 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: is tanking the economy. What did they point to? They said, 113 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: look at what it costs for everybody out there trying 114 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: to buy a dozen of eggs. Price of eggs actually 115 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: down since Joe Biden left office, by the way, Trump 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: is the price of eggs actually come down to the 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: extent that all of you are out there buying eggs 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: every single day. Prices are down. Now. The new thing 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: is there's always a new new thing with Trump, a 120 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: new line of attack. The new line of attack is 121 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: Trump has destroyed the stock market. Well, actually stock market 122 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: same price it was a year ago. And none of 123 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: these people talked for two years when Joe Biden was 124 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: in office. The stock market was actually down for a 125 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: two year process. We also haven't talked more about how 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: important rates are in all of this, you should be 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: able to put your money in the bank. This sounds 128 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: crazy now think about how much this has changed. It 129 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: used to be if you were a saver, you could 130 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: save money, put it in the bank, and get a 131 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: reasonable rate of. 132 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: Return on your money. And that was something that a 133 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: lot of people would do. And depends on when this was. 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: But you know, you have to obviously look at how 135 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: inflation chips away at that, but you could still be ahead, 136 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: and so there was an encourage There was some encouraged 137 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: savings through policy. You see what's gone on now, you 138 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: can't do that anymore. You're just losing money in a 139 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: savings account because of inflation in recent years. And you 140 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: look at the S and P five hundred, right, which 141 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: is this basket of five hundred companies, and a lot 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: of people will invest in it. And this is what 143 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: really was what really moves the market. Clay it had 144 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: a twenty five percent gain in twenty twenty four and 145 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: at twenty six percent gain in twenty twenty five three. 146 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: This is not based on real productivity. It's not possible 147 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: the five hundred American companies didn't become thirty percent more 148 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: productive or efficient roughly in twenty twenty three or twenty 149 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: twenty four. This is all financial alchemy. This is the 150 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: political system determining that it's easier to anesthetize people at 151 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: the top with cheap money and to make everyone think 152 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: the market's better than it is than to look at 153 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: the reality of we have been on a binge and 154 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: we need to go on a diet totally. 155 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: And again, I just think you need to understand where 156 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: the attacks come from and comprehend that this is about 157 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: coming after Trump aggressively. Let me just say this too, 158 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to talk about it. Trump 159 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: didn't have to try any of this. He could have 160 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: come into office and done what most presidents do, which 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: is kind of trim around the edges a little bit, 162 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: not really change any of the trajectory at all. He 163 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: is trying to make decisions that will benefit Americans long 164 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: after his political career is over. He's trying to completely 165 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: change the way that our trade deals are constructed, the 166 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: way that we handle border security, and balance the budget, 167 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: all in the space of roughly one hundred days. He 168 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: has aggressively taken this on. So again, on a day 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: to day basis, I think a lot of you are 170 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: going to be nervous. If you follow the stock market 171 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: tracking day to day, if you follow it over six 172 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: month periods, over one month, one year periods, then the 173 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: trajectory is going to be eight or nine percent a year. 174 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: You're going to make eight or nine percent a year. 175 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Every ten years, your money's going to double. That's what 176 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: basically the last hundred years has shown us. So does 177 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: it hap up in every ten years? Is your money double? No? 178 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Does every year your money go up eight or nine percent? No? 179 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: But I do think that if you want to make 180 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: good decisions going forward, you should be in the stock market. 181 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't know where else you're going to put your 182 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: money candidly, And for those of you out there that 183 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: are not invested in the stock market, buck, I thought you, 184 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, kind of laid it out that you are 185 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: going to be impacted in some way based on the 186 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: long term trajectory of the stock market, because that's how 187 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: jobs are created. Unless you're a government employee and you 188 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: never have to worry about anything other than the depths 189 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: of you enough to pay your salary, yeah. 190 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: Or elon finding out that you do nothing all day. 191 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: That's also that's a new thing. Look, if you if 192 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: you take a company, just take a company. We all 193 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: know you take Disney, and I know that we all 194 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: like to beat up on Disney, and Disney deserves it. 195 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: But just for way of our example here, if the 196 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: Disney stock plummets, Disney is then going to have is 197 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: then going to make determinations based upon its stock price. 198 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: It's probably going to make cuts because it's going to 199 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: try to create more cash flow for the market. And 200 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: as it makes those cuts, it's going to fire people. 201 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: And it's you know, you see there's this cascading effect 202 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: where the market is an indicator of other things that 203 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: matters to people. Job losses matters to all of us, right, 204 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: unemployment number matters to all of us. And you know, 205 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: so there's going to be a little bit of watching 206 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: that that needs to happen here. 207 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: But Clay, you brought up the price of gas. The 208 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: price of oil. 209 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: Remember petroleum is fifty percent goes into gas, gasoline and 210 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: you know transport in that way. The rest of it 211 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: goes into products and that is reflected in the overall 212 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: price that you pay for everything all the time. So 213 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: dropping price of gasoline can also be very very helpful 214 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: in all of this. You know, look, as I keep 215 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: saying arguing about whether Trump should do this or not, 216 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of people saying that is really 217 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: a fool's Errand because Trump is doing it, he's earned 218 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: the right to take this gamble. He owns this, it's 219 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: his gamble, and I think we're going to see that 220 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 2: it goes very well. And because of the system we have. 221 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: If for some reason, Trump is wrong, and that's that, 222 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: and we see that, as Clay said, in eighteen months, 223 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: if the economy is in a really truly in a 224 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: bad spot, Democrats are going to absolutely annihilate us in 225 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: the midterms and you're gonna have a very competitive next 226 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: presidential election period. So this is this is where we are, right. 227 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone just just ride with it, roll 228 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: with it. This is what's going to happen, and there 229 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: can be a moderation and or you know, modifications made 230 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: this whole system, the whole approach, Clay is built on 231 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 2: possible modification. That's why you have fifty countries that have 232 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: come for people act like what it is now is 233 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: supposed to be what it is in thirty days. No, 234 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 2: does anyone understand that China is engaged in its own 235 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: brinksmanship too. They're saying, oh, they see the pressure that 236 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: Trump is under from some people from some quarters right now, 237 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: so they go, you know what, We're going to raise 238 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: our tariffs on you substantially. We're gonna double down on this. 239 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: Trump's gonna back You think Trump is going to back 240 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: down at that point? You know, do you think Trump 241 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: is the guy at the negotiating table when you play hardball? 242 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: He goes, you know, probably, I don't like hardball. I 243 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: just want to be friends. No, clearly not. 244 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: So I love all of this in the context of 245 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: we're basically now because of Trump. Buck like for right now, 246 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: we're CNBC and we're Fox Business. Everybody objectively cares about 247 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: where the stock market is on a day to day 248 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: basis right now, obsessively because they want to attack Trump 249 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: for it. But it is really hysterical that they were saying, 250 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, this signal controversy, I don't know how Trump's 251 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: going to shake this. This goes to the heart and 252 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,119 Speaker 1: core of his administration. There isn't a single story anywhere 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: about the signal story. And I think ultimately Trump understands media, 254 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: and he understands story better than any of the people 255 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: trying to criticize him in media, and that's ultimately his gift, 256 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: that is over and above everybody else. He knows how 257 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: much of the narrative arc is total. Bs. 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: You know something else that I'll throw out there. If 259 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: Trump just tried to run some establishment GOP presidency now, 260 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: it would be a betrayal of what he promised his 261 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: voters during the campaign and be a trail of a 262 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: betrayal of what Trump says that he wants to do 263 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: and believes in. So if you just let things happen 264 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: as they're happening, if he didn't do Doge, if he 265 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: didn't shut down the border, and if he didn't try 266 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: this trade gambit, well, you know what, he's going to 267 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: do a little tax cut. You could get that from 268 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: a Bush administration. 269 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: Right. We voted for disruption. Let's look at the disruption. 270 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: You know, you vote for somebody to shake things up, 271 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: don't complain when it's shaken. And that's where we are 272 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: right now. Lean into it a little bit. It's all 273 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: going to be fine. And if not clan Arguna were 274 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: clown noses on the radio show, it's going to know 275 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: you're signed on with me. Now, well, not on Peers's show. 276 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: That's your thing. But yeah, you're on two months. 277 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: On show seventh, twenty twenty six. We will wear you'll 278 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: wear a clown nose with me on the show. 279 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't, dude, you're you know, can't let 280 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: Wingman wear a clown nose without me. You know, this 281 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: is like you know, this is you know if if 282 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: I just I think I might have to follow you 283 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: on this one. All right, look, this is this is 284 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: a transition, is something serious. But as you know, if 285 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: you are going to carry a firearm to defend yourself, 286 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: you have to be prepared to make that very important decision. 287 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: I can still carry down here in South Florida, and 288 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: I've been in places abroad where I've carried weapons to 289 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: defend myself for the government. And if you're going to 290 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: defend yourself, it's a big decision. But guess what, you 291 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: need to also prepare for the consequences of that decision. 292 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: And you really need to do this, and you need 293 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: to take action now because you can end up in 294 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: court even if you're one hundred percent right. In fact, 295 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: I know of cases, I know of people who have 296 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: ended up because they defended themselves with a firearm. They 297 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: still ended up in court something even ended up getting prosecuted, 298 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: had to defend themselves. So it's not about just what 299 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: you did, it's how it's interpreted. It's the politics in 300 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: that county. 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We have not 349 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: talked I don't think on the program about an awful 350 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: story that happened in Texas. A seventeen year old I 351 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: believe high school kid in Texas was stabbed in the 352 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: heart by a suspect, a guy named Carmelo Anthony, not 353 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: the basketball player for those of you out there, seventeen 354 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: year old also Texas kid. There was a dispute over 355 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: where this seventeen year old should be sitting, and the 356 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: seventeen year old that was accused of committing the murder 357 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: had a knife in his bag, said hey, if you 358 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: tell me where to go, he was sitting in the 359 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: wrong area, there will be basically consequences. The other kid says, hey, 360 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be sitting here. You're in the wrong place, 361 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: and the Carmelo Anthony kid stands up and stabs the 362 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: seventeen year old in the heart and he bleeds out 363 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: dies there in the arms of his twin brother. I mean, 364 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: it is an awful story, and not surprisingly, it has 365 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: gotten attention to a large extent only on right wing 366 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: media because it is and I say right wing media. 367 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: It is a story that is uncomfortable for much left 368 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: wing media because the kid that got stabbed to death 369 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: was a white kid. The kid that did the stabbing 370 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: was a black kid. Now, this happened in Frisco, for 371 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: those of you who are not familiar. That's about thirty 372 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: miles north of Dallas. And the individual who was stabbed 373 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: to death Austin Metcalf. He was an eleventh grader at 374 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: Memorial High School in that area. Okay, I've got bucks 375 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen ten year old son. Time I see a 376 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: story like this, it makes me sick to my stomach. 377 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: My son is the same age as this My oldest 378 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: is the same age as this kid who was both 379 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: stabbed and also the staber. The reason we're talking about 380 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: it is there is a GoFundMe page that has been 381 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: created for the Carmelo Anthony, the individual that is accused 382 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: of stabbing this young kid to death, and it has 383 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: raised one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. I believe Buck, 384 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: you may have it open in front of you right now. 385 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: Why I think this is interesting and I want to 386 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: get your reaction to it. First of all, it's awful 387 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: and this is emblematic, unfortunately, of what happens with young 388 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: people when it comes to violence in America today. Relatively 389 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: inconsequential issues are leading to death and this is a 390 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: snapshot of what happens all over the country. 391 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: And there's more than that too. I mean, there's a 392 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: lot of conversation now around because this this for something 393 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: like this to happen at a high school athletic event 394 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: over who's sitting in what section? Yes, no, there's no okay, 395 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: there's a lot to be said here. One is that 396 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: people are pointing out why is it that half the 397 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: murders in this country are committed by black men age 398 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: sixteen to forty, and we're not allowed to have that. 399 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: That's just the way that the statistics are, right, that's 400 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: part of the conversation. Why is there such a disproportionate 401 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 2: And we can get into all that conversation, but you 402 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: should be able to say that out loud without people 403 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: gasping and saying, how dare you say that? 404 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: That's just a fact. It's just a fact. 405 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: So why is one part of the American community committing 406 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: such a disproportionate share of the violence? Now, generally, as 407 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: I also know these statistics, the black community, when there 408 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: is violence, it's men. It's not talking about women black men, 409 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: it's against other black men. However, when we look at 410 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: interracial violence, it is also wildly disproportionately the case that 411 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: there will be violence against a non black individual than 412 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: a non black individual committing violence against a black person. 413 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: So this is what the conversation online has That was 414 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: initially where it turned. 415 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: That was what it turned into, you know. 416 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: Matt Walsh asked this question, got over the Daily Wire, 417 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: got a lot of heat from people. He's saying, look, what, 418 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: why are we ever allowed to say that maybe that 419 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: this there should be some way to what culturally socially 420 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: to address this, this this issue, this disparity. Okay, disparity 421 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: in other ways we can talk about all day long, right, 422 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 2: disparity in household income? How do we fix that disparity? 423 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: Other disparities are to be addressed. This disparity is not 424 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: to be talked about. 425 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: And I think, by the way, not only are to 426 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: be addressed, are a sign that America is failing, right, 427 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: like the failure problem gap. 428 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, absolutely, failure is problem. So now what's happened, 429 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: because the online left has gotten involved, is they're saying, oh, 430 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: it was a case of self defense, just like Kyle Rittenhouse. 431 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: This is what they're this is what they're trying to 432 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: they're trying to say. And I think that that has 433 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 2: outraged a lot of people because, first of all, there 434 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: was I know, the father of the boy who was 435 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: stabbed to death. He is a believing Christian and he 436 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: said I forgive him. And there are a lot of 437 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: people that are saying, I don't want to get into that. 438 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: I didn't just lose a child. I'm not going to 439 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: criticize somebody who did. I would not personally be saying 440 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: that I forgave anyone. I would be wondering if I 441 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: could be the one that threw the switch on the 442 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: electric chair. But put that aside. I'm a different person 443 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: that person, and I didn't just lose a family member, 444 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: a son. Okay, self defense for this claim, I'm sorry 445 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: that the left is so unfamiliar with this. It's interesting, Clay, 446 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: Just like with firearms, is a tremendous disparity politically and 447 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: culturally between the left and the right when it comes 448 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: to issues. When it comes to self defense, they have 449 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: no idea. Just like they don't understand anything about law enforcement. 450 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: They have a very superficial and generally idiotic view of it. 451 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 2: They don't understand that. For example, if somebody walks up 452 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: to my car and they say, you know, hey, give 453 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: me all your money, or I'm going to kill you, 454 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: you know, or I'm gonna shoot you. I have a 455 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: gun in my pocket in Florida, if I drew down 456 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: on them, and if people believe that that threat was there, 457 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: that that's what was said, maybe this is on video 458 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: or whatever. People believe that my life is in danger, 459 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: I am justified. If somebody walked off to my car 460 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 2: and like, hey, you drive like a jerk, and I 461 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: pulled out my gun and I shot them. 462 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm a murderer. I'm going to prison as I should. 463 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: Right, self defense is not we are in an argument, 464 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you. That that's not self defense. 465 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: And that's what happened with this individual quite clearly. Okay, 466 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: we're arguing over a chair. You know, unless he believed 467 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: he was in fear of he's sad this kid. 468 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: In the heart. Yeah, that's a part of this too. 469 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Try it. That's I'm killing you. Okay. 470 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: Anybody with a knife nose, you know, you could slash 471 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm not saying do this. I'm gonna know, if you 472 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: slash somebody in the face, you slash them in the arm, 473 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: you slash them in the stomach, you're gonna get you know, 474 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: they're gonna run away and be like, oh my god, 475 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: they're gonna want to not deal with you anymore. Right, 476 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: stab him in the heart to kill him. And now 477 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 2: people on the left are saying, and there are some 478 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: prominent you know, some prominent commentator type, not prominent, but 479 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: some commentator types are saying this too. It's self defense, 480 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: and it's people are taking in as a real slap 481 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: in the face. Because instead of the conversation about why 482 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: would somebody resort to lethal violence in this circumstance against 483 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: a high school peer with no real provocation, it's yeah, 484 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: with self defense, you know what I mean, it's it's 485 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: really the left spitting on the grave of this kid. 486 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Not only that, go fundme has a policy where they 487 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: did not allow Kyle Rittenhouse to raise money. In fact, 488 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: they shut down any attempt to raise money for him 489 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: to be able to defend himself. And in general, I 490 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: think their policy is these fundraisers aren't allowed because, for instance, 491 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: a guy like Luigi Mangioni Buck would probably sadly raise 492 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: millions of dollars for his legal defense if they had 493 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: to go fund me up for him. 494 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: Go fund Me being a bunch of being run by 495 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: a bunch of left wing communists, though, I mean, this 496 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: is unfortunately, this is just the deal. This is why 497 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't like gofund me, because it's 498 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: a left wing entity and they do this. It's a 499 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: private entity, they're allowed to make their own it's like 500 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: a social media company, right, which we saw with all 501 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: of them for a long time, completely arbitrary. Not I 502 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: shouldn't say arbitrarily in partisan and very intentional fashion, are 503 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: hurting one side to benefit the other. So, I mean 504 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: go fund me falls into that category as well. But 505 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: the claim that now this ties in because the claim 506 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: of self defense. You can see that people are believing 507 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: this because they're giving money on the go fundme. So 508 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: now you have people that are hearing this story who 509 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: are saying, I want to support this kid who stabbed 510 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: this other kid in the heart in front of his 511 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: dad and his brother because he said, you're not supposed 512 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: to be seated in this section. You know, this is 513 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: this is appalling, I mean to your point, but Luigi Mangioni, 514 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: people are really rightly upset at what American wants. What 515 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: America well wants is an innocent question, there isn't it. 516 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: What American believes this story that this kid actually thought 517 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: a who had the knife, who had the weapon, the 518 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: kid who killed him. How could he have been, how 519 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: could he have been in a position where he thought 520 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: he was under threat of extreme violence and or threat 521 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: of his life. 522 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: He didn't as Kit should go to prison the rest 523 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: of his life. This is not a hard case. I 524 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: think that's right. I think it also speaks to masculinity 525 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: and crisis because to your point, yes, sixteen to forty 526 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: year old black men commit over half of all murders 527 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: in this country, which is a staggering perspective stat considering 528 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: that sixteen to forty year old black men probably represent 529 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: what do you think, three percent of the overall United 530 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: States population? Five percent at most. I mean, it's a 531 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: tiny percentage of the overall population, and they represent over 532 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: half of all murders. 533 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: And it's even more disconcerting you look in a place 534 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: like New York City, where on a per capita basis, 535 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: the poorest ethnicity in New York City is when you 536 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: when you include the Asian immigrant population, there's a lot 537 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: of very poor Asians, whether South Asian or East Asian 538 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: or New York City Clay who commit effectively no violent crime, 539 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: yeah almost none. So they're poor, but they don't kill anybody. 540 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: And you know, the these are the converse, and people 541 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: want to say, okay, well what's going on here? Clearly 542 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: there is a pernicious cultural and and you know, family 543 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: destruction influence in some communities that makes the propensity for 544 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: violence as a result of those cultural issues likely or 545 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: and instead of addressing it, when now we have people saying, oh, well, 546 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: let's you know, let's talk about this as a self 547 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: defense case. No serious person thinks this is a self 548 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: defense case. I think a large degree. What you would 549 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: see is that the overwhelming amount of violent crime. 550 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: Is committed and fatherless households across racial groups. That is, 551 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: absence of men, absence of dads, leads young men to 552 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: be far more likely to be violent. And I don't 553 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: think that's coincidental. The other part of this is, and 554 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: you hit on it, if this had been two black kids, 555 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: exact same story, nobody would have heard about it because 556 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: young blackmail violence against other young black males is so 557 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: common that it virtually makes no news at all. And 558 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: this is why, and I'm writing in this new book 559 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: that I'm writing Buck, it's been so unfortunate that we 560 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: have demonized police because if you look at the data, 561 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: there are I believe that the data reflects this is true, 562 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of young black men who are dead 563 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: because police weren't able to do the jobs that they 564 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: should have been able to do in those cities. So 565 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: everybody who marched BLM, everybody who donated money BLM, all 566 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: those people walking around raising their fists. The actual most 567 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: prominent consequence of your rebellion, of your protest was thousands 568 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: more young black men dead. And again, Buck, this wouldn't 569 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: even be a story if this is two young black kids, 570 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: one stabs the other over a dispute about who should 571 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: be sitting where none of us would have heard about 572 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: it because it happens so often. Turning to the numbers 573 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: here again, just because I know that what the left 574 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: has done for a long time is they say it's 575 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: about poverty and lack of opportunity. Really, twenty four percent 576 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: of Asians in New York City are in poverty. 577 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: By New York City's own metrics and standards, twenty one 578 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: percent of the Black community is in poverty. Ninety percent 579 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: of the prison in New York City Rikers Island is 580 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: Black and Latino. It's actually ninety percent plus I think 581 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: some years like ninety two to ninety three percent. The 582 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: Asian percentage of Rikers Island, despite twenty four percent of 583 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: them in poverty, is less than one percent. What's going on? 584 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: This is just you know, why why are these situations 585 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: playing out? The way you brought up family formation, you 586 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: bring up culture, culture in school, culture and media. These 587 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: are things that we should be able to talk about, 588 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: but some people don't want to talk about them, and 589 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: instead they'd rather play this game of oh, well, this 590 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: is this national profile case. Now is a self defense case, 591 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: and they say that knowing that it's really just meant 592 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: to antagonize people and meant to say, you know, the 593 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: whole system is corrupt, and you know it's it's it's 594 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: like an OJ verdict situation. 595 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: I bet if you overlapped Buck, it would be a 596 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: fascinating study. I don't know if anybody's done this in 597 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: recent history. I bet if you overlapped rates of men 598 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: at home for Asian communities versus Black communities in New 599 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: York City, I bet the average Asian community household ninety 600 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: percent dads at home, su yes. I bet the average 601 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Black family in New York City dads at home ten percent, 602 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: fifteen percent, something to twenty percent, maybe fifteen percent, yeah, 603 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: but it would be I bet the biggest racial dynamic 604 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: difference between Asian and Black anywhere in the country. And 605 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: I think if you override that kids behavior, especially young 606 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: men who were talking about Remember women don't commit stab 607 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: murders very often. I bet you would see dad in 608 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: home decreases the overall rate of violence on a level 609 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: that is staggering. Would actually be a really interesting conversation 610 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: that we should have that a lot of people won't 611 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: have because it forces us to have serious conversations about 612 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: absence of men and what father lessenness does to young 613 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: men across the country. When I say you need to 614 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: protect yourself, interestingly from a home intruder, a lot of 615 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: people's gut reaction is that doesn't happen where I live. 616 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the case, but still all it takes is 617 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: one time. If you want to have pepper spray, if 618 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: you want to have bars on your doors, if you 619 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: want to just make your home safer than it otherwise 620 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: would be. I encourage you to go check out Saber. 621 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: They have all sorts of products. We've got every single 622 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: one of their products here in the Travis household. Whether 623 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: it's bars that you put on your doors at night 624 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: that make it very difficult to open those doors, whether 625 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: it is pepper spray. My wife carries around pepper spray. 626 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: A lot of the women probably in your life do 627 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: as well, and if they don't, they should be. And 628 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: also maybe you want maybe it got a lot of guns, 629 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: but maybe you would like to have a non lethal 630 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: option because kids are coming in and out of your 631 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: house at all hours. I know in the Travis household, 632 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: we got teenage boys. They are in and out of 633 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: the house all the time. They make a lot of noise. 634 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: Sometimes they set off the alarms because go figure, they 635 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: don't come in like you would expect them to. Maybe 636 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna wake you up in the middle of the night. 637 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: You want to be able to protect yourself, but you 638 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: don't want to do it in a lethal manner because 639 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: you know you got teenagers coming in at all hours. 640 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: That's a perfect example of why you would want to 641 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: check out the pepper spray launcher from Saber right now. 642 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: Dozens of products, all reduced price. In fact, if you 643 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: go there right now, fifteen percent off every single thing 644 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: on the website. Saber radio dot com. That's s A 645 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: B R E Radio dot com, family owned business. You're 646 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna love them. They'll make your family safer. Saberradio dot com. 647 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: You can also call if you want to get your pens. 648 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: Call the phone number, talk to somebody directly eight four 649 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: four eight two four s A F E. That's eight 650 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: four four eight two four safe two guys walk up 651 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: to a mic. 652 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 4: Anything goes Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on 653 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 4: the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 654 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got 655 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: a quick turn around here. 656 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: I'll tell you where we're going third hour because we've 657 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: got a lot happening stock market. Clay just informing me 658 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: today is back into positive territory for the day. So 659 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: you're talking wild swings going on here. But how bad 660 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: can it be when it's already back in positive territory? 661 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: Right, there's all the global meltdown, Like what do. 662 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: They say in Espanol, tranquilo. Everyone's got everyone's just got 663 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: a chill out. It's all gonna be fine. Got a 664 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: lot of talkbacks, a lot of calls. We want to 665 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: get to the next hour because I want to hear 666 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: from all of you on this stuff. So we will 667 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 2: rack and stack some of those and then the transathlete thing, Clay, 668 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: it's this is like the Clay and Riley Gaines Employment 669 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: Act of twenty twenty five. Like, you guys over at 670 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: OutKick gonna be very busy with this forever. Apparently they're 671 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: still going to do this thing where dudes don't have 672 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: an don't have an advantage over women in sports. 673 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: They're still going with this. John Oliver did on HBO 674 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: his entire show last night on men pretending to be 675 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 1: women don't have competitive advantages in women's sports. It's one 676 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: of the craziest things I've ever seen that they truly 677 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: have determined that they're going to light themselves on fire 678 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: over this and not give up. 679 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 2: And they also got rid of the GoFundMe for the 680 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 2: guy who stabbed the kid by the way,