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Speaker 2: Look at this now, timpted.

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Speaker 1: Jesus, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Do you want as doing what we time to beat? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's Friday, the thirteenth June of the twenty fives, and

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Speaker 2: this is the best damn sports combats compast composts that

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Speaker 2: in your face hole and Luke Friday the thirteenth, right,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, you already knew that that means

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Speaker 2: that any late teenage males looking to have sex and

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Speaker 1: My understanding is young men don't have sex with women anymore,

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Speaker 2: Hey, I mean Grinder, I just met her, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Are you fired up about life? Or are you hoping

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I don't know how well that's gonna go

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing the bombshelter. My daughter is on a rampage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? She Her last day is I think next week,

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Speaker 1: Right, Luke, that's what I've been doing.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, welcome on board. Okay, Hey, we do

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Speaker 2: horned up Australian man's ballbag. Hey, it's Luke Ocita, who

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Speaker 2: did a main card minute podcast watch along during an

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Speaker 3: Wow, brother, lest I mean it was a good card.

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Speaker 1: You did your girl dump you?

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Speaker 3: Yet she enjoyed every second of it, you know, watched

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Speaker 1: And when I told you gen Z men aren't banging

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was time for shots fired. Yeah shit,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking to see both sides. Is Buckley truly ready

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Speaker 2: usman plus two twenty five. No, see it if we

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Speaker 2: show me the picture of usman at age thirty eight, Luke,

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Speaker 1: A few rounds. Maybe, But first of all, even eighty

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Speaker 2: I mean, in a Crossroads setup, it should be. This

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Speaker 2: But Luke, this is a crowded division at the moment right,

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Speaker 2: Like it's extra crowded by the addition of Islam Mahachev.

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Speaker 2: You've also got Sean Brady in a position to claim

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Speaker 2: Is it really possible in your eyes, that Buckley, with

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Speaker 1: I think only if he beats the shit out of

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Speaker 1: Be in mind that the bell is always something you

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Speaker 3: How do you see your path there?

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Speaker 4: Uh such a great thing now having Islam come up

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Speaker 4: And I love Islam. Islam is a great fighter. I

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Speaker 4: do that. And if Drakis is the champion, we do

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Speaker 4: tell your grandkids about and who wouldn't watch those? And

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: Of my mind.

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Speaker 2: Can somebody tell Uncle Marty that it's not twenty eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Like what? I don't want to be a jerk about this.

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Speaker 2: But Luke, like, how do you go from a three

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Speaker 1: Daydreaming? Daydreaming? It's not at all real I mean just

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we see like, you know, he was out there

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Speaker 2: But do there's like guys that have been owed that

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Speaker 2: they will. I don't know. I still like this matchup

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Speaker 2: But we got one more piece of sound from Joaquin

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Speaker 1: After going up against the Eugenie Too.

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Speaker 2: This o real come with wolves with why I mean,

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Speaker 1: a big one for him. And I know what a

432
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of people might say, It's like, oh, Usman kept

433
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: it cool and you know, here was here was Buckley

434
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: fan boying out, which is true. I mean that's what happened.

435
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Buckley is like right on

436
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: the tip of achieving his greatest professional accomplishments ever and

437
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: everything he's dreamed of. The whole reason he's been in this,

438
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: all the wins, all the losses. He is hungry. Okay,

439
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: Usman is well past all of that, and so the

440
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: only way to really hold your position is to be

441
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: much better than the other guy. Is he. I have

442
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: my sincere doubts about that. We'll see on Saturday. But

443
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: to me, people are like trying to be oh, well,

444
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna do a Pat Berry on Mirco

445
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: crocop and I didn't get that vibe. Pat Barry was

446
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: like reverential to me. Him. Buckley having this kind of

447
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: joyful attitude about facing off with Usman is more of

448
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: a position that like it's a validation he deserves to

449
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: be here. It's a very different thing than like it's

450
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: this weird moment where you have to fight your hero.

451
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: I didn't get that fight.

452
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be talking about Pat Barry very shortly. By

453
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: the way, the coach of the co main events star.

454
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: I want to get though our betting enthusiast and expert

455
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke to chime in three to one basically

456
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: minus two seventy eight the odds from DraftKings in favor

457
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: of Buckley. This is a five round fight against old Marty.

458
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: Where are you leaning from a betting standpoint?

459
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: You gotta go with Buckley here, I mean the layoff

460
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: for Usman, the poor knees. I just I don't love

461
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: this fight for him, and I just feel like Buckley.

462
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: Buckley's undefeated a well to eight six in a row, like, yeah,

463
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: bad news for Usman. I feel at least I'm taking Buckley.

464
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: I got him parlayed with Rose actually plus one oh one.

465
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: So interesting now, Luke Thomas, from the standpoint of over under,

466
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: if Buckley does get this win, can he finish Usmann?

467
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: You don't see that often? Maybe never? Right, I mean

468
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: when does that happen?

469
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: Well? I mean Leon finished, that can happen?

470
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: I mean out, You're right, the head kick heard around

471
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: the world. I obviously take one with that one example back,

472
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: but a durable dude who went in there on short

473
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: nose against Hamzad and kind of rally late. I'm giving

474
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: him as props. But if Buckley stops this man, that's

475
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: a hell of a statement.

476
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: After all, he's got big power. His power translated at

477
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: eighty five and it's obviously significant at seventy. Buckley again

478
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: kind of tends to throw a lot at you that

479
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: not necessarily all of it works, But he can do

480
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot bc he can wrestle offensively. His takedown defense

481
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: I think is going to be tested to a degree

482
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: in this one. But on the feet, he's just got

483
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: many more weapons, as much quicker, I think, much more

484
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: agile at this point. That's good. I think he's gonna

485
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: use that to his advantage. Can he stop him? It

486
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be my first thought. I do think Buckley will win,

487
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: and I think he'll probably win by decision. I wouldn't

488
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: rule out a stoppage, and I would say if like

489
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: Usbin gets stopped inside too and like looks old and

490
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: this is clearly the end, you know what I mean.

491
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: But I do think Uspin, this one's crafty, is a veteran,

492
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: and he's faced guys all respect to Buckley, but he's

493
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: definitely fun guys better than him, so I think he

494
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: should be able to make the distance but I guess

495
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: we'll see.

496
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get a Buckley stoppage. I think

497
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: it'll be on injury though I'm serious.

498
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: That is a legitimate possibility, Like could he do like

499
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: an obliqe kick and stomp out his knees.

500
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Something like that will happen and then the old body

501
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: will break down and you know, but either way, this

502
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: would be a breakthrough for Buckley. I don't think title

503
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: shot next, but we'll see what happens in that regard

504
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: co main event. According to Rose nami Unis, this one

505
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: also could have future title implications from her standpoint. Just

506
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: two and two is Rose after moving up to one

507
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five pounds, the losses against Blanchefield and

508
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: Farrow and competitive fights, but it just feels like we

509
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: have been missing something of Rose during this run. So

510
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: Rose saying, look, I feel like I'm finally adjusted to

511
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: this weight. She also mentioned in the interview I had

512
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: with her on the BCX this week that her fiance,

513
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: slash trainer Pat Barry, has really helped her realize some

514
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: things about what she wasn't doing to her first four

515
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: opponents at one twenty five. But Luke, is it still

516
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: realistic in your eyes as Rose welcomes a streaking Miranda Maverick,

517
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: who's on a four fight win streak. In a fight

518
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: Rose is expected to win a minus two thirty favorite.

519
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: Is it still realistic to consider at thirty two that

520
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: Rose is a threat to the Flyway title? Or is

521
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: her slide of late maybe more to do with the

522
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: coaching change of Trevor Whitman being gone during this four

523
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: fight stretch and Pat Berry coming to the forefront. Which

524
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: one is it? Is it both? How do you look

525
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: at Rose's comments of her believing she's still in this

526
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: and she's got a lot of fight left to go

527
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: after that Bill.

528
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough on tape. I mean, obviously

529
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: she's a little bit up and down. I think she's one.

530
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: I think you indicated two of the last four, two

531
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: of the last three, certainly, but obviously losing to Blanchefield.

532
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: There's there's not enough evidence to conclude that she's out

533
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: of the mix in that way. She's still winning against

534
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: decent names, and she's still young enough, and it just

535
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: seems like I'm not saying the division is utterly wide open,

536
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem totally out of reach either. Plus

537
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: the opponent she's got, to me, is certainly putting the

538
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: best win streak of her career together. But I just

539
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: don't think has the same kind of fluid, dynamic offense

540
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: as Rose, and so for those reasons, I would not

541
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: be ready to count out Rose. On the other hand, BC,

542
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: and maybe you feel differently, but it just seems to

543
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: me that she's not really passing the eye test. She's

544
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: getting the job done, and it would be silly to

545
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: conclude she's not, at least in close proximity. But there's

546
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: a certain kind of meanness to her game that is missing.

547
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: There's a certain kind of dynamism that has been kind of,

548
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, mellowed out in the middle of it.

549
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: And of course you need a more rebel fighter as

550
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: you get older. But again, she's not physically over the hill,

551
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: and it just seems like there's a little bit of

552
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: a quiet instinct to, you know, not push it in

553
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: ways that maybe once would have been there. I mean,

554
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: part of her game used to be a little bit

555
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: of that. This this like great quick capacity for violence

556
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: or you know, even inn invicta she's throwing up flying

557
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: arm bars and stuff like that. A lot of that

558
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: has been kind of drummed out of her. And you

559
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: can do that if you're John Jones at light heavyweight

560
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: and you're just much, much, much better than the rest

561
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: of those guys, and so you know, some measure of

562
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: evening out your game actually is better for longevity. I

563
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: don't know that this is better for longevity. It seems

564
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: like it's a bit of a downgrade, and so I

565
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: just I'd be it'd be foolish to count her out, yes,

566
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't have a strong

567
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: vote of confidence that it's like some kind of inevitability either.

568
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, you know, Pat Berry is kind

569
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: of right. She's always been on that three or four

570
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: fight pattern where she can win three in a row,

571
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: and some of those wins look like literally the very

572
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: best in the division's history. If we're talking one fifteen

573
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: and then lose in such disastrous fashion and being honest

574
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: about her anxieties and mental challenges where it's easy to

575
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: roof for her, but at one fifteen she could always

576
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: come back around and give you that performance You're like, oh, wow,

577
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: she's still a killer. She's got a thirteen to seven record,

578
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: but it's deceiving. We already know that, but at Flyway exactly,

579
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that edge. I haven't seen that killer

580
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: instinct under Trevor Whitman. She just seems to be a

581
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: different fighter. Now we do have to figure out is

582
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: the weight cut the difference or is it just she

583
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: was sharper under Trevor she was more confident. I know

584
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: Pat Barry's a big hype man, but I don't know.

585
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: It's interesting. So I had her on my podcast this

586
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: week and I did ask her specifically about that transition

587
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: to this weight class and how she would rate her

588
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: performances thus far. Going to and two here's Rhodes. Are

589
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: you confident in who you are in this weight class

590
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: and that there's still a big run to the top here?

591
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is because I know I know what I know.

592
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: I know that what I'm capable of, and so it

593
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 5: is a little frustrating feeling like I know that I

594
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 5: can do better and I know that it could be

595
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: a lot better. And so it's just kind of one

596
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 5: of those things where I said to submit to God's plan,

597
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 5: you know, because at the end of the day, it's

598
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: like I just it's just one is playing at the time.

599
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 5: And also I've made some realizations too that I've realized.

600
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 5: I've made a lot of adjustments in my training as

601
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: far as like just me realizing that I was like

602
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: kind of holding myself back and I didn't even know

603
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: that I was doing that, like I thought I was like,

604
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm like, you know, in training, and I'm

605
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: like breathing hard and then you know, or I'm like

606
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 5: struggling with something and past like you're just letting these

607
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: people do this. I'm like, what are you talking about?

608
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: Then I'll go back and rewatch. It just all of

609
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: a sudden until now and it's like, oh, yeah, what

610
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 5: was I doing? Like why am I just like kind

611
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: of just sitting there, you know, And I'm thinking, I'm

612
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 5: like I'm breathing, I'm making myself pre heavy, you know.

613
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: So so it's just kind of one of those things

614
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: where I'm like, it's one of those realizations where it's

615
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 5: like it's better to realize that now and and hopefully

616
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: that translates into the fight and hopefully, yeah, oh that's

617
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: that's just what I'm I'm praying for that that that

618
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: I'm not crazy and that uh yeah, the adjustments are

619
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 5: the I guess the difference maker.

620
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, with respect, she's been mercurial her entire career,

621
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: with those highs and lows in the performance, and a

622
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: lot of times it does come down to mental Did

623
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: she sound mentally.

624
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: Ready there?

625
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Like like maybe some of these realizations that she's you know,

626
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: given her opponents too much respect, that maybe that's the difference.

627
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: Again, nothing about what you see or hear from her

628
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: is like automatically disqualifying. I didn't maybe you feel differently.

629
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything in there that I was like, well,

630
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: you could nitpick this or nitpick that. It didn't sound

631
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: to me all the way off. It's just that when

632
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: it comes fight time, it just seems like she can

633
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: get to third, maybe even fourth gear, but not the

634
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: one from the previous fifth gear that really made her

635
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: special and set her apart. That that to me, seems

636
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: to be the issue. Like you asking how much of

637
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: a percentage of kamar Usman at his highest level we're

638
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: going to get is going to be eighty percent? Feels

639
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: like we're getting like eighty five, maybe even ninety, which

640
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot, But I've told you before, five

641
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: to ten percent difference can just yield pretty significant results.

642
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I don't know what to

643
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: make of this one. I guess. I mean, the thing

644
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: is Rose at her best just seems like vastly better

645
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: than Miranda at her best. But this is like a

646
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: different kind of zend out Rose, and that makes this

647
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: obviously much more competitive than it otherwise would.

648
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: Be no question about it.

649
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: Now.

650
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: Look, Maverick has run four in a row, She's won

651
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: six of her last seven overall, going back the past

652
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: three years, the only loss a decision to Jasmine Jazz Davisius.

653
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: They also have history together, and I wonder if this

654
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: really favors Rose. Rose told me specifically they sparred kind

655
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: of regularly for the past three years, but in the

656
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: last year and a half it got very regularly. She says.

657
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: They know each other's tendencies all that, And I think, look,

658
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: the biggest problem is you look at Maverick's resume and

659
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, her best winsor Andrea Lee, Priscilla Cacuera.

660
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: You know, like we're not talking about the level of Roe.

661
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: So with Rose being ranked six and Maverick at twelve,

662
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: this does feel like a let Rose get well after

663
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: that competitive, but but you know, forty eight forty seven

664
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: on all three scorecards lost to Blanchefield. But a lot

665
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: of people are still saying with Rose only being thirty two,

666
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: and Rose admitted that she hears it too, why don't

667
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: you just fight at strawaight? Is it the weight cutter

668
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: that's the issue or what is the issue? And Luke,

669
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: that's something I asked her about as well. Let's hear

670
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: one more time from Rose.

671
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: And I technically probably still couldn't make it. It's just like,

672
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: but like the way that I've feel and I feel

673
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: like body types are different too, and especially as you

674
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: get lower and lower, I feel like the harder it

675
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: is like every pound matters more the smaller you go.

676
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 5: So I just I feel like like now and I

677
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: have put on more size, and I naturally was just

678
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: getting big and bigger each time, so I like, I

679
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: don't know, it's just like what we do is already

680
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: dangerous as it is, but then when you're adding like

681
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: the dehydration and stuff, I just I really I just

682
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: really didn't like it. And then and you know, I

683
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: only have like I also have this goal of becoming

684
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: two division champions still, so like that's my other goal,

685
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 5: Like I've already achieved whatever goals at strongweight that I

686
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 5: wanted to achieve. I became champion and defended and all

687
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 5: this stuff, you know, and like sure, I could go

688
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: back down there, and you know, I think I would be,

689
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: you know, become champion again if I really wanted to.

690
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 5: But I just feel like I've been there and done

691
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: that already, and if I can and if whatever this

692
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: and the adjustment to make to one weight class, I

693
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 5: feel like it takes time and it takes Yeah, it's

694
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: just it's a lot that has to come together. So

695
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to waste my time, you know, doing

696
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: something that I already did, you know.

697
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean I understand that. I understand she feels like

698
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: she's accomplished everything at one fifteen. She's she's actually hoping

699
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: Whaley moves up. She wants to fight her a third

700
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: time and would love it if Whaley beats Valentina to

701
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: do it for the title. But Luke, even though Rose

702
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: said she believes she's one or two wins away from

703
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: a title shot if she performs like she did in

704
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: the last four, I don't think she can beat Valentina

705
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: or even for he row in a rematch or anyone

706
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: at the top highest level. I'd kind of like to

707
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 2: see her if she wins on Saturday against an Alexa Grosso,

708
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: so we can learn more about both of them. But

709
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: let's focus in on Saturday. What can Miranda Maverick do,

710
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: in your eyes to slow this journey.

711
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: She has to get the takedown and I think has

712
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: to mix it up. If she can keep this fight

713
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: on the ground the entire time, then I would say, actually,

714
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: you can do that. I don't think that's going to

715
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: be super likely, but I'm looking. I had her stats

716
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: here just a minute ago, actually as I got him here,

717
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, per fifteen minutes, and this is a fifteen

718
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: minute fight. Two point three nine takedowns per fifteen minutes

719
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: from Miranda Maverick. It is central to what she has

720
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: to do. That's nearly around right, not quite, but that's

721
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: about where we're at. That's what she's gonna have to do. BC.

722
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: She's gonna have to kind of pancake her a little bit.

723
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: She has movement on the outside and it's gotten a

724
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: lot better, but I still think she's quite hittable there.

725
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: It still seems a little bit robotic, not terribly. I'm

726
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: not saying she has a terrible stamp, that's not my point.

727
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: But the movement is a little bit robotic and rehearsed,

728
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: and I think someone liked Rose who's a little bit

729
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: more naturally on her feet, willing to throw and able

730
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: to throw, can make contact with that and cause problems.

731
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: But if you're dogged enough and you can get to

732
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: take done enough, I know that Rose can be a

733
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: thread off of her back. But I just don't see

734
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: defensive wrestling and defensive grappling or even offensive grappling from

735
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: defensive positions as necessarily her strong suit. And here's the

736
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: other part. BC if she does get taken down, does

737
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: she really have the fire to compete underneath? Like, for example,

738
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Juliana Pania was overmatched right against Kayleb, terribly overmatched, but

739
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: on the ground she was throwing hammer fists and like upkicks,

740
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: and the upkicks were illegal, saying she was trying to

741
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: be pesky underneath right, anything she could to do to disrupt,

742
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: and we saw Diego Sanchez do this to very great

743
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: effect when he got taken down a plate from guard.

744
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: There's a certain kind of urgency. I don't know if

745
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Rose has that urgency in her offense the same way,

746
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: particularly from that position, that is something Miranda could get. Now,

747
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the problem with this BC is if Miranda fights this way,

748
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: which by the way, seems to me very plausible, it's

749
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: a good win over a big name, but it's not.

750
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: It's not you know, we talked about it before. It's

751
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: not a politician winning an election via landslide. Where you

752
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: are now you can just call your shots. It'd be

753
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a grindy I'm not gonna say obvious win,

754
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: but nothing especially interesting about it, which would not be

755
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: great for Rose. And you know, obviously Miranda getting a

756
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: win of her Rose is important, but it wouldn't be

757
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: a big mandate. I'm just saying, it's not like she's

758
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: gonna go in there and box her ears off and

759
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: then finish her off on the ground. It's not what

760
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying she could probably find her out

761
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: here for a little bit just by being just aggressive

762
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: and good with the top control. But I don't expect

763
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: like heavy ground and pound, and I don't expect necessarily

764
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: fierce resistance from Rose either. It could be for a

765
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: bit of a doll affair if Miranda gets away.

766
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: It has tendency to be dull. I just feel like Rose,

767
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: any version of her, is gonna win this because she's

768
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: more skilled and will know how to win that striking

769
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: battle to keep you know, Miranda off of her. And

770
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: maybe Miranda gets a take down or two, but Rose

771
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: is still showing good strength in this division. No cee

772
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: that the only betting intel what I'm looking for is

773
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: a Rose finish if if she's back on that pattern

774
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: and she locks back in and finds the eye of

775
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: a tiger, is a Rose finish possible here from a

776
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: betting standpoint in your eyes.

777
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: I was just trying to find the odds on it. Personally,

778
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think this fight goes the

779
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: distance no matter what. Over two and a half on

780
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: this is minus five twenty, so odds makers think it

781
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: goes along as well. Rose by finish though bee plus

782
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: five hundred on them.

783
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: Oh I take that bet. I'd give it a roll.

784
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: I'll give it a roll. But I don't know if

785
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: she's gonna be that. I don't know if she has

786
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: it in her anymore. I really don't.

787
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: I don't either. I would have taken the over two

788
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: and a half if it wasn't such a hefty price.

789
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: That's probably why I settled on Rose. But I don't

790
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: feel too confident in her. But she should get this done, right.

791
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: She should? She should. Luke Thomas knows that at the

792
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: end of the day, right we can move on. She

793
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: should get this done.

794
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll take a flyer on Maverick.

795
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: Get the frick a get out, as Luke Thomas would say,

796
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: get out, Luke, what are you doing here? You're predicting

797
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: a collapse because this is a If Rose lose this,

798
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: she should retire.

799
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Rose has been a champion in this organization. I don't

800
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: think Maverick ever will. But I just don't have great

801
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: confidence in whatever Rose has got going on these days.

802
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. Nothing would be better than seeing

803
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: her back at the top. Believe me, I'm not mad

804
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: about that.

805
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but dude, how's Moraverick? How's Mareverick gonna win this?

806
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: Luke?

807
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: Please?

808
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: First of all, it's what's her nickname? It's Fear?

809
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: The Yeah, so how is fear? How's how is Fear?

810
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna win this? Yeah?

811
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she's gonna grind her out, gonna grind her.

812
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: Out even if okay, if if the Rose from the

813
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: Asparsa rematch shows up, all bets are off. But dude,

814
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: this is I think it's much more of a leap

815
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: that that Maraverick controls the aspects here and and does

816
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: enough to get a win, unless it's just a horrific

817
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: fight that neither deserves to win, and you're saying that's

818
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen.

819
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Basically, I think there's a decent chance of it.

820
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: All right, let's go plus five hundred on the row.

821
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: Stop it's just to prove that you're wrong here. Look,

822
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: let's keep on going down the car to middleweight matchup.

823
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Edmund Schabazian is two and two since he re sence

824
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: enduring that consecutive stoppage lost defeat streak that he was

825
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: on where he kind of looked like a bust. He's though,

826
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: a minus one seventy favorite against a plus one forty

827
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: two Andre Petrowski. Is this the same theme in your eyes, Luke,

828
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: for this young Armenian that if he doesn't finish Petrowski

829
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: the first round, he probably gases out and loses. Is

830
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: that what we're looking at here in this matchup?

831
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably. By the way, how does Shabazi and have

832
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: two takedowns per fifteen minutes? That's an interesting stat And

833
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: his takedown defense, by the way, is not that great

834
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: at sixty five percent. And I think Petrowski, if he

835
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: can get him down, who's got you know, three point

836
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: three eight takedowns per fifteen minutes, so b see, he's

837
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: good for more than one around. Just seems to me

838
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: like if he can survive the first couple, you know,

839
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: first round and a half something like that, he could

840
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: probably overtake him late. I cannot believe that Shabazien is

841
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: still having these issues. But he is still having these issues.

842
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: He's still dangerous. P see. He is up and down.

843
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: So it's not just like, you know, we're not dealing

844
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: with some kind of vjpen losing streak here where all

845
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: he just can't get right. He'll get right at times.

846
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: At times he can still put it on you. I

847
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: think Petroski is there to be hit a little bit. Yeah,

848
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: his his striking differential between landed and absorbed is almost nil.

849
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, he's there to be hit to a degree.

850
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: It's just if you could play the game, survive move

851
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: this over the long haul. You have to like his chances.

852
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: So if you know, du.

853
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: For four minutes and then he gets usually countered with

854
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: a hook, and then the gas thing starts coming in

855
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: and then he he looks like a like a deer,

856
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: a baby deer. Luke.

857
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, his takedown defense is good, but it's not lights out.

858
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: And for someone like Petrowski, who doesn't have the best

859
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: takedowns but he's got good takedowns and the relentless, it's

860
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a bad matchup.

861
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, Petrowski riding in a three fight win streak.

862
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: No names on there though, but this is an interesting.

863
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Hudolfo Vieira, he beat Judelfhood.

864
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: He's good, but he's been he's been gotten before, you know.

865
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's get it.

866
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: Let's go down to this bandam weight matchup. A lot

867
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: of talk about Cody garbrandt here as a plus one

868
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: six y four underdog against the rugged veteran Hyoni Barcelos,

869
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: who will be a minus one ninety eight favorite in

870
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: the SPANDAM weight till we already know the enduring narrative

871
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: about gar brand He'll never be the guy again. It

872
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: doesn't appear to be that once did the Robot against

873
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Dom Krue was in one of the most eye opening

874
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: pound for pound breakthrough performances. But he's also changed the

875
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: look up so aggressively with the longer hair, the bald

876
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: spot shining through, and now the eye tat. I know,

877
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, you must be wondering what's up with that

878
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: eye tat. We got some sound to tell you.

879
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just love artwork, you know, tattoos. Actually, I

880
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 6: was getting my armpit done and I was hurting a

881
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 6: little bit, so I was like trying to let it

882
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 6: cop out to my tattooer.

883
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: I was like, let's put one on the face.

884
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 6: So I went to the face and did it, and

885
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 6: just to give me some time to now I have

886
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 6: like as sissy on the armpit, so we'll put the

887
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 6: the face tattoo on it.

888
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: I just went with it.

889
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 6: Full send.

890
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Fuck it? Can I ask a question?

891
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: He got his? This is the most MMA story ever.

892
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: So I was getting my armpit don after I did

893
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: my Sean Brady ash Cheeks. Yeah, what do you got, Luke?

894
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: What do you What is exactly the definition of full send?

895
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: I take it to mean when a young white male

896
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: is looking to do something aggressively, whether that means, uh,

897
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: attempt something dangerous. Uh make a trick shot? You know

898
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: what I mean? Go get that chick's number. It's like

899
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: a full scent? Am I misinterpreting the.

900
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: According According to Urban Dictionary, full send, a term popularized

901
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: in the online culture, essentially means to do something with

902
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: one commitment, even if it means failing or facing potential consequences,

903
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: and implies we.

904
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: Got it right. There we go, We got it right.

905
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm hip, Luke. I'm a hip dude.

907
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm a hip dad. Okay, Al.

908
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: You're You're the most washed piece of shit that I know.

909
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm taking my kids on a tour of Yukon today.

910
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: This I feel like it's you.

911
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Know, I don't I don't know what's more washed than that.

912
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't want them to go, Luke, I got one

913
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: year left, you know, savor the flavor.

914
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Right, I can move in.

915
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I feel like I was trying to get They were

916
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: pushing me out of the door back in the day.

917
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Now, I'm like, kids, don't leave.

918
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: Don't I know? But we were kids. Parents were like, yo,

919
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: when you're eighteen, your mother fucking dead to.

920
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Me here will charge you for rent when you're eighteen.

921
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: He bro, I didn't realize this. I didn't realize this,

922
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: and I was talking about you know how I was

923
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: talking to you about. This was actually Chris Aljery. Chris

924
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: al Jerry noted that when he fought Pachiao Hbo boxing

925
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: made it a big story that he was living at

926
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: home with his parents at the time. He was living

927
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: in their basement, right, yeah, yeah, I mean, just an

928
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: absolute shithole if ever there was.

929
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: One, no, no, but it was in a real nice

930
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: house with.

931
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm just being mean to Long Island. Look, I'm not

932
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: being mean to chrys al Jerry, but he was trying

933
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: to explain to me. He's like, dude, my dad is

934
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: from Italy and my mom is from Argentina. Like in

935
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: those cultures, you don't you don't leave the house until

936
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: you marry, you don't. You just live at home. He's like,

937
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: I was just living at home because that's just what

938
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: you do. So you know, there's different parts of the

939
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: world where you can stay stay in the house till

940
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: your mother fucking thirty. You know what, I think. I

941
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: know a lot of dudes who are from that part

942
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: of the world who still live with their moms and dads.

943
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the difference is those dudes are getting laid

944
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: probably right, unlike that.

945
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're unlike Long Island, Luke, they're actually having sex

946
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: with women.

947
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: A lady, would you please? I mean, come on, all right,

948
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: he's got it together, Luke Thomas.

949
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: My daughter see that, My daughter drew on.

950
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: Me that red spot. I thought that was a hickey

951
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: f cherry.

952
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: She drew cherries on me? Yeah, all right?

953
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Would you your wife wouldn't give you a a hickey

954
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: this deep into the marriage, right, No.

955
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: She's not. She's not. She's not you know, dub ty

956
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. The equivalent would.

957
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Be, Luke Thomas, Cody Garbrand plus his soul, he says,

958
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: with a win here. The fight that needs to be

959
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: made is him versus sugar Sean O'Malley. And he even

960
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: said I think it could move pay per views.

961
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. No one believes in that at all except I mean, dude,

962
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: you got him and Oosman up there, being like, I'm

963
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: one shot away from from going to Mars. You know,

964
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: he might as well just say shiting like that.

965
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to mcgarb brant. I love him,

966
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: Luke he's only thirty three.

967
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: Here's what I was gonna say. He's obviously been chinned

968
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: too many times. There's just no question his durability is

969
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: messed up. However, BC, these are his last three losses. Figaredo,

970
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: former champ, kay Car France could be the next champ.

971
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, certainly fighting for one and

972
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: then Rob font a very very good fighter. Now the

973
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: wins aren't super inspiring kellahern and Jones. But what I'm

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: trying to point out is.

975
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: Though the knockout of Hafaela Sunstow, that was beautiful.

976
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: That was a while ago. That was a while ago.

977
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to point out he's not losing to chumps.

978
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: He's only losing to like, basically very very good guys. Right,

979
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: those are the ones that are beating him now. The

980
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: Figaredo one happened very quickly and kind of surprisingly, but

981
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: nevertheless not surprisingly, just very quickly. But the point I'm

982
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: trying to make is he's not losing to chumps, like

983
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't lost to like just guys who are just

984
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: done not that much in their career. So you can't

985
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: dismiss him. But I'm just trying to point out, you know,

986
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: this statement of like, oh, they're going to give me

987
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: an O'Malley, under what circumstance would he ever take that fight?

988
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean this like they were not even being serious here.

989
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: It's a silly thing to say.

990
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about Garbrant being an underdog

991
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he only loses to elites. Against Barcelos,

992
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: who I certainly respect, He'll give you an honest scrap,

993
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: but he's not a killer at this point in his career.

994
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: Just thirty eight two. He's not a super young guy.

995
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Although that the Talbot win was pretty restorative. I think

996
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought Talbot was going to go

997
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: in there and do something to him, and he got

998
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: a little bit run over in that fight. To be

999
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, I guess I got a

1000
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: little bitter three eleven.

1001
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: I forgot that ever happened.

1002
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Holy yeah, dude. And again, we've been talking this year

1003
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: about how all these undefeated prospects are losing. This was

1004
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: one of them. I think this is winnable for Garbrandt.

1005
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: It's just a question of, like, can Garbrant open up anymore?

1006
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: Barcellos is going to pursue his fight even if he

1007
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: gets finished, right, He's got a certain kind of commitment

1008
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's the only kind of commitment that he can

1009
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: have in a fight. It doesn't there's no real nuance

1010
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, there's nuance to his game, but

1011
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: the intensity is never really calibrated. He just kind of

1012
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: goes for what he goes for and if it works, great,

1013
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: If it doesn't, and then on one hand, that makes

1014
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: them dangerous. On the other hand, that makes them vulnerable.

1015
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like with Cody, he's been calibrating the

1016
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: intensity and that's kind of been messing him up. And

1017
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can get to a place

1018
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: where it's a little bit more he's got more ready

1019
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: made offense. That's that's you know, that's that's good to go.

1020
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: He just seems like he's reluctant to engage in the

1021
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: same kinds of ways. I don't know, because we'll see.

1022
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a fun scrap by

1023
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: the way, I think they'll actually match you up very interestingly.

1024
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: But even him as a as a dog, I mean,

1025
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: I get it. Hayani just resurrected himself for that moment

1026
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: as the veteran that stopped the you know, the young

1027
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: bright prospect whose gas tank wasn't ready for prime time

1028
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: and he got caught up in a in a bad

1029
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: fight for him. I just feel like Garbrent's still set

1030
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: up to potentially get a ko here. But I've all

1031
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: the confidence we're in recent years. I was like, I

1032
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: don't have the confidence, but I still believe he might

1033
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: be able to spark himself into a run. Now the

1034
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 2: run he was on those two wins were second, third

1035
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: tier type. But uh yeah, we'll see what happens. Luke.

1036
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: I don't know about that eye tat, but you know

1037
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: it's it's not my life, Luke, Right, I don't have

1038
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: the balls to get an eye tat, so you know,

1039
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: I'll just go back to my basement.

1040
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it's a big deal that he

1041
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: got a face tat. I'm like his whole neck was blown,

1042
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: like the whole thing.

1043
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Like yeah, uh, Luke, can you tell me more about

1044
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: this Atlanta card? We do have Cody Brundage at middleweight

1045
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: against Mansur Abdul Maleik. I don't know if you care

1046
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: about that. I do. Paul Kraig is back in the

1047
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: featured prelim against jdelfo Blato with probably his job on

1048
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: the line, Old guy Welter waits with Kisa and Court McGee.

1049
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Where are you at on this Uh? The one that's

1050
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more interesting to me is Chris Mautino

1051
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: was back. I don't have any high thoughts about him,

1052
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: but Malcolm Well maker bit of an interesting guy to

1053
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: pay attention to it. There's a little bit of hype

1054
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: behind him that could be an interesting one. Ricky Simon

1055
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: against Camp and Smotherman should at least be action packed

1056
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: for as long as it lasts. OBVIOUSLYBC, your pants are

1057
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: gonna be around your ankles when Vanessa Demopolis is the curtain.

1058
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: Jernker on this card, I know you'll be greatly enjoying that.

1059
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: And you know there's some other ones you could pick

1060
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: on this card as well. Phil Roe and Losa could

1061
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: be a little bit of fun, fun fights between guys

1062
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: who put a little bit together. Umar C taking on

1063
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: Alonzo Minifield. Umar C I believe the brother of Sadabu

1064
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: c so some decent.

1065
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: Names and Court McGee. Neither of them have a TK

1066
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: have a stoppage via strikes in their career. Do you

1067
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: think one of them gets it?

1068
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: In this way, Court McGee doesn't have one.

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00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: That's what I read. I've read that. Okay.

1070
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

1071
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: Also, Luke, you.

1072
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 3: Read that's incorrect. Here's five.

1073
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. That doesn't make I appreciate you.

1074
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: I read.

1075
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 3: The interesting stat about that fight is that they both

1076
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: won Tough. So it's two former Tough winners going ahead to.

1077
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: Keep getting MMA sent held left and right lately. I mean,

1078
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: come on here, just a fountain of misinformation your co

1079
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: host here, Luke. We skipped by Mutino, but for him

1080
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: to go on the regional scene, aggressively work his way back,

1081
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: and then get another contract when he was initially just

1082
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 2: you know, the guy with the green hair they brought

1083
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: in so that O'Malley last minute can beat him up.

1084
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: That seems to be a story. But I don't know

1085
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 2: if you saw the interviews he did this week where

1086
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: Mutino admitted he was like suicidal after being cut from

1087
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: the UFC and had was going through a bad breakup

1088
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: and if it wasn't the next girl he met that

1089
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: sort of saved him, he doesn't think he would be here. Luke,

1090
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: that's that's a uh. That hit that hit hit hits hard.

1091
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, you may you may be holding you may

1092
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: be right long Island Luke. Where which of his fights

1093
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: does he have stoppages in that are t ko's.

1094
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, put some respect on my name.

1095
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm unsure Doug right now, says Court Miguee has five

1096
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: KO wins.

1097
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm looking like he doesn't have any in

1098
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: the UFC.

1099
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, not in the UFC. He hasn't one is

1100
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: submission to punch his.

1101
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that must be the stat. I saw their combined

1102
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: amount of fights without a stop between UFC.

1103
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: It's got to be you were you were pretty close. See.

1104
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So guys, put some respect back on my name.

1105
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: When I give you news, it's breaking, Okay, That's what

1106
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 2: it is. It's not fake. It's breaking, breaking, breaking my balls.

1107
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: No ce that you like really bad? Mma? What else

1108
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: should we be looking for? Is Paul Craig gonna survive

1109
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: this job interview on Saturday?

1110
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: I think he could, dude. I mean, he's going against

1111
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: the guy who had herpes last time they tried to fight.

1112
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: In the worst sport. Oh yeah, that herpes guy.

1113
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, ran through this car. We have pretty much every

1114
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: fight on this card, So I'm not going to point

1115
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: out what's what. But I'll just give you a few

1116
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: interesting fact three. Cody's fighting on this card, Garbrandt Dirdin Brundage,

1117
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: the Tough Verst tough Thing. Also Michael Kisa. His nickname

1118
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: is Maverick, Miranda Maverick. Also on the two Mavericks on

1119
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: the car.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't fear either of those.

1121
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: This is the kind of.

1122
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: Shit that I find interesting. All right, yeah, but one

1123
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: is like Maverick is the nickname and the other one

1124
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: is fear.

1125
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: The yeah isn't did she just adopt the baby? Luke?

1126
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't following too close on Instagram, but I think

1127
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 2: I saw.

1128
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Do you think I pay attention to these people's lives

1129
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: in the personal capacity whatsoever.

1130
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: He's got a thriving pickle business.

1131
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, dude. Pickles are so gross. People don't realize

1132
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: they're cucumbers in disguise. I mean, wake ups.

1133
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Let me tell you.

1134
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: Let's play find the pickle. All right, Let's go to

1135
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: topic number two, and it is all things PFL. They

1136
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: had a semi finals in two divisions Thursday night in Nashville.

1137
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: They were not in a Universal Studios APEX like venue.

1138
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: It seemed to be an okay, lower bowl and a

1139
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: small venue. It felt good to see in that regard,

1140
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: and it also coincides with all different kinds of PFL news,

1141
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: both good and extremely disturbing. But Luke to kick things

1142
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: off here. Despite the eleven PM Eastern main card start,

1143
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Here?

1144
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 7: Don?

1145
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: With two ends decent action in the main event, that

1146
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: Gene advances to the welcherweight finals with a really hard

1147
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: fought split decision over the ass kicking machine Jason Jackson.

1148
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: He'll take on Logan Storly come August first, as Story

1149
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 2: took a grapple heavy decision from Masayuki Kakori. Those will

1150
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: go down this summer. Is this the best final pairing

1151
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: so far in your eyes? After what we saw on

1152
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: Thursday night? Because that Jene Logan story. Okay, I'm in

1153
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: I didn't think that Gene would win this.

1154
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: I I that Jean dropped Jason Jackson in the first round. Dude,

1155
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Jason Jackson was.

1156
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 2: The damn jab with a damn jab. Dude.

1157
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: You know this was interesting about Jason Jackson because I

1158
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: watched this fight live last night. He was wrestling like

1159
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: it was pebby lapew. Do you remember this where he's

1160
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: like trying to get the cat, and the cat is

1161
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: like trying to just constantly push him on, and he's

1162
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: just constantly trying to find another way to like resecure

1163
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: the hug. You know, That's what it felt like to me,

1164
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: because he was just hanging on for dear life. It

1165
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: looked like Peppy Lapu trying to wrestle a cat. Uh.

1166
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: It didn't look that way to you, looked that way

1167
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: to me. It was kind of funny. But dude, that Jean. Listen.

1168
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: The tournament system, it's not like there are no benefits

1169
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: to it. Occasionally someone breaks out in a tournament and

1170
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: they look great. That Gene is exactly that guy that

1171
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: brooke them off win he was not supposed to get,

1172
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: and probably this Jason Jackson when he was not supposed

1173
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: to get. And now he takes on logan story, who

1174
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, is not necessarily turning in the most interesting fights.

1175
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: But he is a winner. He is very good, and.

1176
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: To be honest, since his split decision loss to be

1177
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: to Amasov for the belt or title way back or

1178
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: the interim title or whatever, and from that point forward,

1179
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't think he's improved at all. Like he's the

1180
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: same exact fighter like he can win certain fights. He's

1181
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: lost fights he probably should have won. He's still incomplete.

1182
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: He's tough as nails, and he probably tears up a

1183
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: saloon on Friday nights in South Dakota. But do you

1184
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. Look, I thought there was gonna

1185
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: be a big evolution coming to like his striking that

1186
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: I've that I haven't seen yet.

1187
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: There was for a time, like up through the Adam

1188
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: Borich fight and stuff like that too, But I feel

1189
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: like now he's just kind of in win mode and

1190
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: there's really not much else to say about it. Oh

1191
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: who's this this Reggie?

1192
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,479
Speaker 2: Reggie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's back. He's back. I didn't

1193
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: pin the door down today.

1194
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: So I say, I love the fight between that Jean

1195
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: and Logan story. I think it's going to be great.

1196
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: And also, dude, Jesu's Pinato arguably the best fighter ever

1197
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: out of Peru. What a revelation he is running over

1198
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: Brago last night. And you know, Movid Habalayev is not

1199
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: going to be an easy fight for anyone. But these

1200
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: are good finals. These are good finals between good talented fighters.

1201
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: And in the case of Gene, he's still undefeated and

1202
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I think very tested to a degree, but certainly not

1203
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: like Logan Storley, who's more than twenty fights into his

1204
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: career at this point. Fun fun, you know, it's it's

1205
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: kind of a like striker versus It's not quite right,

1206
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: but it's something of striker versus smothering rappler in both

1207
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 1: cases won and story in the other. So you really

1208
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: just kind of wonder what Panato and Gene have in

1209
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: store or to deal with this. A tough fight in

1210
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: any direction, but you know, listen, you can't say you

1211
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: got bad finals out of these welter waits and featherweight

1212
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: no good.

1213
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean, hazus Pinato. He needed seventy six seconds to

1214
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: knock out Braga, and he put together a pretty gnarly

1215
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: combination of punches.

1216
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: I say something about that. I met a guy when

1217
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: I called xFC in Iowa, Sayid Yokuba Kokromanov, and he

1218
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: went like two in one in the UFC, and the

1219
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: one fight he lost was when he was in Uzbekistan.

1220
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: They called him on short notice to fight, said never

1221
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: go madev and he gave Sayid a bit of a

1222
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: tough fight at first. Obviously, you know he lost in

1223
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: the end, but he won the other two and I

1224
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: think submitted one of the guys in the one of

1225
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: the ones he won, like he's a very good fighter,

1226
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and they just let him go, you know. And here's

1227
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: the case of Hazus Pinato, what one in one in

1228
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: the UFC, very very young. They let him go, and

1229
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that that was mean. Listen, Prospecting is

1230
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: a tough, tough challenge. It's hard to know exactly who's

1231
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: going to break out. So it's not like I'm saying

1232
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: these were obvious calls. They were not necessarily obvious calls.

1233
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: But in the end they let Panato go and he

1234
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: has turned out to be quite good. I would say

1235
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: a top ten featherweight in the world. You know, you'd

1236
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: be surprised sometimes who can really round the corner. I

1237
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: think Pinato has done that.

1238
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: PFL finals in both the welterweight and featherweight divisions will

1239
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: be August first. I believe it's all the fun, right,

1240
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: the championship of all on the sound.

1241
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: So they're actually splitting them up this year across three cards,

1242
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: so those two are August first.

1243
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: Hey, PFL, you never know, Luke. They make a lot

1244
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: of changes and we gave them credit for all the

1245
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: changes in the past week and a half, whether it

1246
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: be the twenty five dollars tickets, the new PFL app

1247
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: which will house live streams of all the international cards,

1248
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: and getting out of the apexes. But it hasn't all

1249
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: been perfect wives for Don and company. When Don welcomed

1250
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: famous actor and good friend also accused rapist Russell Brand

1251
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: to the PFL Nashville proceedings, Brand was on camera. I

1252
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: didn't watch the full broadcast. I piecemealed the fights this morning,

1253
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: so I don't know if he was featured or interviewed Luke,

1254
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: but he did appear on camera, and we got another

1255
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: video to show that PFL social put out of him

1256
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: and Don chopping it up Luke. Is this we're told?

1257
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: We're told officially here that it was just a guest spot.

1258
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: He's not a he's not doing business with PFL. But

1259
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: two weeks ago he was facing trial for some shit.

1260
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: It's kind of in cancel mode if you believe in that.

1261
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: Is this a PFL not being self aware? What are

1262
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: we doing here? I mean, can we get the Day

1263
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: Brothers next? Please? I guess it's what MMA Promotions do, right.

1264
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: I know, It's like, dude, I don't want to hear

1265
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: any and MMA fans will say they don't care. But

1266
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: then when you insult the sport, or when they hear

1267
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: insults about the sport, they get bitter, so they obviously care. Dude, Nobody,

1268
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: nobody has a right to complain about the rotten reputation

1269
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: that MMA has. More broadly, sorry, it's it's well deserved,

1270
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: it's earned, It's earned in every possible way. There's nobody

1271
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: they won't say no to. And listen. I don't know

1272
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: if Brand will exonerate himself be se but just as

1273
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: like a basic move of understanding how things work in

1274
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: the world, if someone has just recently, to your point

1275
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: weeks old, been uh charged with serious crimes at a

1276
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: bare minimum, just put it on the back burner, right

1277
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum. And even if this guy is

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Speaker 1: there in a friendly capacity, they're still putting out, you know,

1279
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Speaker 1: social media assets related to this that seem, you know,

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Speaker 1: just totally inadvisable. And I know there's a bunch of

1281
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: people that are like, you know, he's been charged and

1282
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: not accused of anything. Dude, I've I've I've met a

1283
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of people I don't I've never been friends with

1284
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Speaker 1: anybody who's ever been charged with a crime like this,

1285
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, And I was in the fucking Marine Corps. Like,

1286
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: what are we fucking talking about here? This is you know,

1287
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: this is absolutely insane. Like there's people here who don't

1288
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: believe in anything. They don't have any principles, they don't

1289
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Speaker 1: have any standards. They only believe in here's my tribe,

1290
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: here's theirs. As long as you're in this one, it

1291
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who you are and what you've done,

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01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: we don't really care. It's the saddest, most pathetic way

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Speaker 1: to go through life. And I'll say one more thing

1294
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: about it to BC. Dude. It used to be the

1295
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: case for much of my career that we could tell people, Oh,

1296
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: you don't know enough about MMA, Right, the more you

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: might learn, the more you will find that it's actually

1298
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: not what you thought. It is actually much more scientific

1299
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Speaker 1: of a style of fighting. And these guys are great athletes,

1300
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Like you have this bad view of MMA because you

1301
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: don't know enough about it. And now we're in a

1302
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: place where the more you learn about MMA, actually the

1303
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: worse it looks. Right, the more you look under the hood,

1304
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: the more horrendous. It appears every terrible thing that people

1305
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: say about this sport on the outside is one thousand

1306
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: percent deserved. We earned it because we can't say no

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: to dirtbags. So congratulations everyone, Welcome to the hell you

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Speaker 1: have brought us to.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to morning combat, brought to you by some shitcoin. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean we're prepared. We're close to that, by the way,

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: but no we're not. We got great we got great sponsors.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Luke, we're in that era. I'm not surprised.

1313
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: Mother effort. It's comical in a way, it's gross, it's whatever.

1314
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Here's did Don Davis see the Tates at Power Slap

1315
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, I gotta get in on that.

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Speaker 2: I got it, Yeah, I got I got a friend.

1317
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: I gotta come one up you. I got a friend.

1318
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: Let me make a phone call. But Luke, here's an

1319
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: actual PFL development that I want to get your take on.

1320
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: If we're just being oh, Don made this decision, it's

1321
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: probably the bad one. So a tweet came out from

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01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: the PFL announcing that a lightweight title eliminator between Mansaur

1323
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: Bernari and Archie Colgan has been added to the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five PFL World Tournament six event on June twentieth

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Speaker 2: in Wichita and airlive on ESPN. The winner of that

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Speaker 2: fight will be granted a fight against undefeated one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty five pound Champions Series title holder Usman Normagametov,

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Speaker 2: who we all felt like the promotion was building against

1329
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: for this big rematch against Paul Hughes, maybe the fight

1330
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Speaker 2: of the year earlier this year. And then we saw

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: Paul Hughes headline that PFL card in Belfast that looked

1332
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: like it was calling crazy. He's calling out Usmann afterwards,

1333
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: and then you top it off, PFL puts out that tweet.

1334
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: Here's the response reply from Paul Hughes of hey, quit

1335
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: with the rage bait. And now we also have reports

1336
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: from Hughes that he was texting Usman dermaga Metov being like,

1337
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: what the frick? What are we gonna do this rematch

1338
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: or what? And the quote from Hughes was, I texted

1339
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: him myself last week and I was just like, what's

1340
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: going on? Rematch now? And Usman said, you have to

1341
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: win one more fight, brother, And then Paul would go

1342
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: on to say he's trying to delay this Luke, we

1343
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 2: got a lot of issues with PFL from a brand

1344
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: presentation of who are the champions? Are they the PFL champions?

1345
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 2: Are they this champion? Like it's so crazy? Are they

1346
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: just muddying the waters by not making this fight now

1347
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: when this could be their identity Hughes and Usmann and

1348
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: the rivalry they have.

1349
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: But bro if in defensive PFL, if I may if

1350
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: Nimagamedov doesn't want it, they can't make him do it.

1351
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: So what are you proposing? Exactly?

1352
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: Is this? So you're saying the only reason why they

1353
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: put out this tweet and made this change and are

1354
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: announcing now that the lightweight title eliminator a bout will

1355
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: produce the next title contender is because Usman said, no,

1356
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't want the rematch I want.

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm I mean. They may have planned

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: on that all along, you know. I don't want to

1359
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: suggest that it's only because of that, But what I

1360
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: am saying is Usman has clearly said to them I

1361
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: don't want this fight. So what are you supposed to do?

1362
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: John Joneses repeatedly said he doesn't want the SPN all fights,

1363
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: So what are they supposed to do? Oh? I know,

1364
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: wait till they announced their next TV deal, then suddenly

1365
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: that fight will happen. You know. Yeah, I mean that

1366
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: that's what John keeps saying. He just said it again

1367
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: on social media recently. The UFC knows my plans, you

1368
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: need to wait for them to announce it. Maybe that

1369
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: means they've already agreed to it, Luke, would.

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Speaker 1: Be great, would be great. I'll talk about it when

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Speaker 1: we have those plan when we have those plans confirmed

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. But I'm just saying, you know,

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, what should the the pfle should

1374
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: make this fight? If Ousman says no, they can't make him. Oh,

1375
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: give him a bunch of money. But then you know,

1376
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: that's like robbing Peter to pay Paul to a degree

1377
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: with a promotion that I think it needs to be

1378
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: more diligent about its finances. It's a tough spot for them.

1379
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Speaker 1: I mean I think that they I've been very clear

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: that I think the way in which they arrange their

1381
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: product hamstrings them. And this is part of that problem too.

1382
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: It's not utterly one or the other, but on some level, dude,

1383
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: I've talked to matchmakers and they they have repeatedly stressed

1384
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: to me over the years, you would not believe how

1385
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: many fights that they wanted to get made and they

1386
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: just couldn't because one guy just didn't want it and

1387
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Speaker 1: they can't make it.

1388
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: But it's not Look, it's not a universally accepted rule though,

1389
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: that if a fighter says no that they're in MMA

1390
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: where they have most control, anyone could ever imagine because

1391
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: of the monstopsony and their own league, that they'll be

1392
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: fine with it. Wasn't Germaine Derandamy stripped for refusing to

1393
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: defend against Chris Cyborg.

1394
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, or are they just not having.

1395
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: Balls like I Look, I'm trying to figure out when

1396
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Usman der Maaga Medov's contract ends, and it appears that

1397
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this year he had said publicly

1398
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: leading up to the Paul Hughes fight that he re

1399
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: signed with them, and he kind of made a comment

1400
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: of let's see in a year and a year and

1401
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: a half, like, you know what they have for me.

1402
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's something where he just doesn't

1403
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: want to fight hughs and he's gonna wait and walk,

1404
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, finish out the deal and then run to

1405
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: the UFC, Although I think he will be in the

1406
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 2: UFC at the expiration of his deal. I just feel

1407
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: like this is like what they could bank their identity on.

1408
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: Their identity right now outside of confusing tournaments, is what

1409
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: their MMA identity. It's Dakota Ditcheva is a breakout star

1410
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: and an attraction. I'm not even gonna bring up that

1411
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: she had to tell Mike Bond publicly how unhappy she

1412
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: was before she could get a fight. But this rivalry

1413
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: should be it. I mean, maybe we're still going to

1414
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: play into this rivalry and build up to it, but

1415
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: I feel like twenty twenty five was a make or

1416
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: break year. They need monster fights to get people to

1417
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: care about their brand. Isn't that rematch however they want

1418
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: to present it right live on ESPN or on a

1419
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: pay per view or however it's gonna happen. Isn't that

1420
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: the biggest thing they can do to get eyes and

1421
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 2: be looked at as legitimate Or does it not matter

1422
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 2: because the TV deals already signed and the same way

1423
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter for UFC right now of trying really

1424
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: hard because the deal is already guaranteed.

1425
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: I do think that the way PFL thinks about their

1426
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: fights is as a calendar experience, not individually this one

1427
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: over that one, which I think is part of their issues.

1428
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: You see, you probably make a good point that there's

1429
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: more that they could be doing putting pressure on who'spin

1430
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: to take the fight right. They could threaten to strip them,

1431
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: they could up the pay, they could do something. You know,

1432
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: who's to say, I don't know, But at the same time,

1433
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well, why can't the UFC do it?

1434
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: But the UFC has much more flexibility, They have much

1435
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: greater financial resources, they have much greater leverage. They just

1436
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: have their much more powerful No, what I'm saying is

1437
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: they'll they'll put you in situations as a fighter where

1438
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: they have the leverage and you're really sting, right, and

1439
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: you do that doing that in PFL, they're just gonna leave.

1440
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: They're gonna do media tours talking to people and say

1441
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: I want out.

1442
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: And then you when you'll get released like Pico exactly.

1443
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: So the point, the point I'm trying to make is

1444
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: again I'm not I'm not. I don't want to absolve

1445
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: PFL from blame here in every way I think that

1446
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: they all things being what they are making that rematch

1447
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: makes an enormous amount of sense and they should make

1448
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: every effort to do it. However, just never lose sight

1449
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: of the fact that if a guy doesn't want to

1450
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: do it, that's the end of the conversation. And you know,

1451
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 1: I think they've kind of found themselves there to a degree.

1452
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: Uh, quickly we all uh No Cedar reminded us that

1453
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: we also have a dirty boxing to the the Mosvital

1454
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: card this weekend that is filled with UFC names from

1455
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: Jaira rosenstrike in the main event, uh to Alex Cassis

1456
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: Luke taking on.

1457
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 1: Uh, that's the guy I was telling you about, Sayedio

1458
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: kub kak Romanov.

1459
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: There you go. Cochromanov. By the way, if your last

1460
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: name is Cochromanov, you you better have a big you know.

1461
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: I mean, like I'll tell him that you want to

1462
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: see his hog. But what I want to I just

1463
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: what's kind of funny about this BC is he's I mean,

1464
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: he can strike, he fought in karate combat, but he's

1465
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: actually a wrestler. You know, he's just trying to stay busy.

1466
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. Like this dude could is

1467
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: like easily go to the UFC right now and win fights. Easily.

1468
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: It's just a strange moment and in fighters' lives where

1469
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: they have to just take fights where they exist, and

1470
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: if that means a weird kind of boxing rule set,

1471
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: then that's just what you have to do.

1472
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 2: Luke Let's transition to topic three. How about this for

1473
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: daring to be great? We talked after his most recent victory,

1474
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: whether Flyway Joshua Van, despite being just twenty three years old,

1475
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: whether this me and mar future hope is ready for

1476
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: big time names right now? Well ready or not? He

1477
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: has accepted one. Riding a four fight win streak, having

1478
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: won twelve of his last thirteen. Overall, Van will make

1479
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: a twenty three day turnaround when he replaces an injured

1480
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: Manelkop who has a broken foot, to take the fight

1481
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 2: against number one ranked Brandon Royval that goes down International

1482
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: Fight Week UFC three seventeen, Las Vegas on June twenty eighth.

1483
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: Van is seven and one in the UFC in all

1484
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: eight fights have come within the last two years. So

1485
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 2: Luke straight to the point. Number ten Joshua Van, is

1486
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: he ready for the smoke that the perennial contender raw

1487
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: Dog is able to bring in this very interesting fight

1488
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 2: come i FW.

1489
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's too much, too soon,

1490
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I hate this fight because if

1491
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: you were planning Josh Van's career, you wouldn't jump this

1492
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: far ahead this quickly. On the other hand, BC, I

1493
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of love this fight because he's trying to jump

1494
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: so far so quickly. Yes, And it's such a big test,

1495
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's such a difficult one because Rod Dog is durable,

1496
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: highly experienced, you know, I would say at this point

1497
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: respectably well rounded. Obviously, I think they're gonna have different skills.

1498
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: Row Dogg's gonna be a little bit more of a

1499
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, grappler wrestler, you know, mixing it up in

1500
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: the middle kind of fight versus you know, Van at

1501
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: mid range, working behind the jab kind of thing. But

1502
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, Van is aggressive, he puts tons of combination

1503
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: work together. He's going to be there to have openings.

1504
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: Rod Dog is probably gonna find him. I mean, dude,

1505
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: this is a very interesting fight, and I have to say,

1506
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that Reuval took this contest because you're

1507
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: giving a shot to someone who is kind of hot

1508
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: as a prospect, and now you're basically treating him as

1509
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: a de facto number one contender. I mean, I'm not

1510
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: saying that if he wins, he'll get the title shot.

1511
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying if you're not going if he

1512
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: goes in there and he knocks out Rouval, well, I mean,

1513
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing something that like Brandon Moreno couldn't

1514
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: do basically, I mean, that's insane.

1515
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure Royval's still getting some form of a promise that, like,

1516
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: because he's the number one contender, that you win this fight,

1517
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: just like the same terms if you would have beaten Cop,

1518
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a title shot. So since he's about

1519
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: that life, I would think for him, it's just I'd

1520
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 2: rather fight this guy now early, you know, when he's

1521
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: riding this win streak, when he's still just twenty three,

1522
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: and if the same stakes are in play, and I'm

1523
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: the raw dog and I get down like that, and

1524
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 2: you know our guy does Luke. In fact, we got

1525
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 2: video of Royval being like, I love me some Josh Van,

1526
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: Josh Van.

1527
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not Fairite Flyway, it's not Louis h.

1528
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: Josh Rovo wants to make some magic hare Luke on

1529
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: top of the stakes.

1530
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: Right, dude, I it's it's not the fight that I

1531
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: would have picked, but it's got for fly When was

1532
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: the last time Flyway had like a bunch of intriguing

1533
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: fights all kind of being made.

1534
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: I mean that great, the Great four fight rivalry with

1535
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: Figuredo and Moreno, But.

1536
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: Like Josh, Van is a breath of fresh air. I

1537
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: still am kind of worried that it's too much too soon,

1538
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: even if he wins, because of what it could do

1539
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: to his development to just get pushed so far, so fast.

1540
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: And in fact, we should say there might even be

1541
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: a criticism due for the UFC that because they have

1542
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: these calendar demands, that they're now kind of cannibalizing their

1543
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: own talent and pushing them too quickly. So I have

1544
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: mixed feelings about this about BC. On the one hand,

1545
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: I absolutely understand the excitement and the intrigue and just

1546
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 1: the battle that awaits guaranteed action. On the other hand,

1547
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: if Rouville loses, he risked a lot to get basically nothing.

1548
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: And in the same event, if Van wins, that's great

1549
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: for him, but I wonder what it does to his

1550
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: long term development for a guy who's just twenty three

1551
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: years old. But here we are, that's what's gonna happen,

1552
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: Let's see.

1553
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you're right about the calendar filling being

1554
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: part of it, and if it blows up in their face,

1555
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, did we not learn from Save's

1556
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: North cub PVZ. But look, if you've got somebody that's

1557
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: super game, super ambitious, super motivated and is starting to

1558
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,839
Speaker 2: pick off big names one by one and wants the smoke,

1559
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it reminds you of John Jones getting that

1560
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: very quick turnaround against Showgun to make sure that that

1561
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 2: pers snatcher didn't get away before brutally defeating a legend.

1562
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 2: And suddenly he's that guy. Right now, he's that guy.

1563
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: That's what Josh Fann has an opportunity to do. Luke

1564
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: in Vegas believe this is going to be a real fight.

1565
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: Minus one twenty five on DraftKings is the raw dog favorite,

1566
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: plus one oh five for Josh fan Now. Van was

1567
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: on the Aerial Hawani show immediately after this announcement, and Luke,

1568
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: he had a big reveal. You beat Roy Vall, you

1569
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 2: fight for the damn title. Let's hear the kid for there's.

1570
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: A strong case to be made. You win this fight.

1571
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 1: You're the number one contender.

1572
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: Do you think that's the case.

1573
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, win this fight. I'm the number one.

1574
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 9: Have you been told this? You win this fight, you're

1575
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,480
Speaker 9: getting a title shot?

1576
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 8: Uh No, But like, who am I supposed to fight next?

1577
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? I just like if I

1578
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 8: beat the number one guy, that I'm the number one.

1579
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 8: So that's what I'm thinking right now.

1580
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you did.

1581
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 9: You did mention Brandon Moreno right for Noche UFC, so

1582
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 9: he would be another big name. But I guess in

1583
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 9: your mind, you win this fight, You're fighting the winner

1584
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 9: of Pantosia KKF.

1585
01:15:58,600 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

1586
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 8: The only reason why I called out Moreno was because

1587
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 8: you know, everybody in the top fifteen got a match

1588
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 8: up and stuff like that, you know what I mean,

1589
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 8: And it's just me and him that were left. And

1590
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 8: he said he want to fight on the note chase,

1591
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 8: So I want to fight in Texas, you know what

1592
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 8: I mean. So that was that's the reason why I

1593
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 8: call him out. But they give me a title, yeah,

1594
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 8: I'll go for the title.

1595
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 9: You see roybal Over there ranked number one, your ranked

1596
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 9: number ten. Shout out to him for obviously taking the fight.

1597
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 9: Is he someone that you have been watching thinking about

1598
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 9: fighting for the last couple of years.

1599
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 3: Nah.

1600
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 8: To be honest, I didn't think I was going to

1601
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 8: fight him next, you know what I mean. But when

1602
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 8: the opportunity come, I was like, hell, yeah, I take it.

1603
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 8: But uh, you know what I mean, I don't really

1604
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 8: watch fight, so but now when they call me for

1605
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 8: this fight, you know what I mean, I want back

1606
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 8: and watched all his fights.

1607
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 9: So oh wow, did you even know who he was?

1608
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 8: I mean, I know who he was, you know what

1609
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 8: I mean, He's the top guys in the division and

1610
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 8: stuff like that. But I really watch like all of

1611
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 8: his fighting.

1612
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: Wow, He's like, you may it's funny. Roy Vall's like

1613
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: that's my favorite fighter. And then this guy's like, yeah,

1614
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: I don't know his work. But Luke, I stand corrected.

1615
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: He did not say the us he told him. He

1616
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: was saying, if I beat the number one guy, who

1617
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: else am I going to fight? In your eyes? For Van,

1618
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: if he gets a fifth straight win and defeats the

1619
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: number one contender, is there any reason not to give

1620
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 2: him the winner? Or is the reason that we kind

1621
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: of saw Steve Verseig just fall apart after.

1622
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: Giving exactly too much too soon? No, I don't like

1623
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: the idea of giving him a title shot, even with

1624
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: a dominant victory. Okay, I would like to see him

1625
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: fight at least another one before doing that. I don't

1626
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna happen. That's not that's not what

1627
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm predicting. What will happen if he if he stops

1628
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Royville, but for his own sake, slowing it down

1629
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: just a little bit I think would really be important.

1630
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a big opportunity. He's going

1631
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: to take it. That's wild here. This should be a

1632
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: fun fight and it's almost like buried on that card too,

1633
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: you know, with it with how many big title fights

1634
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: you got the top. But I'm gonna be fired up

1635
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 2: to see it. Let's move on to topic number four. Obviously,

1636
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: we've been talking about this ad nauseum. We knew it

1637
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: could be coming, but we really was sure which rumor

1638
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 2: which report to believe. As far as the marriage between

1639
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: TKO Boxing, now I guess it's called ZUFA Boxing and

1640
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: Turkey Ala Chic Saudi Arabia. In response here to this,

1641
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford super fight September thirteenth, we now

1642
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: know it will be on Netflix. Dana was telling the truth.

1643
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: He's the promoter. We don't have a venue as of yet.

1644
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: A boxing scene is reporting that Allegiance Stadium is being

1645
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 2: sought out aggressively. That would of course mean moving UNLV

1646
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 2: football out of there, but I think that's something that

1647
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: can probably be done given the amount of interest and

1648
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: income this will bring to the city. So Luke, given

1649
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: though the inside report from the folks at the MMA

1650
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 2: draw that it actually was some disharmony behind the scenes,

1651
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 2: and it took the level of bringing in the closer himself,

1652
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: Nick Kahn, WW president under the TKO banner, to be

1653
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 2: like the arbiter, to get Turkey TKO and Netflix to

1654
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 2: agree and sign and do this. This is gonna happen.

1655
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a big fight. There's a lot

1656
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: of history at stake. What are your expectations now that

1657
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: we're sort of through this soap opera of how big

1658
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 2: this fight can be in terms of its build. They're

1659
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: gonna kick off a three city global press tour in Riod,

1660
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: New York and Vegas, and what are your expectations on

1661
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: the Dana White, Tko Zoufa boxing side of it to

1662
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: come out on opening night and announce themselves aggressively in

1663
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: this boxing space.

1664
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: Can they make this work? That's not to say that

1665
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying can they make Canelo Crawford a successful event?

1666
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't really have any doubt that they will. I

1667
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: think that there's too much money, too many power players,

1668
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: too many people who have experience in the industry doing

1669
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: this at a high level for this to event to

1670
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: be some kind of failure. I think it'll be a

1671
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: massive success. You know what kind of fight you're gonna get.

1672
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. But in terms of what they

1673
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: can do to engineer interest, I think that they will

1674
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: do a good job. But the way that it was

1675
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: reported was that the Saudis basically want to retain control

1676
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: and that Dana White will be visible. But I think

1677
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: the interesting thing for me to look at BC is like,

1678
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 1: once we see what the event actually looks like, is

1679
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: it gonna look like a Dana White event which is

1680
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: kind of stripped down. I mean, it's it's nice, you know,

1681
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: it looks modern, it looks sleek, but it doesn't look

1682
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: fanciful in the way that we typically understand pageantry. Or

1683
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: is it gonna look like what the saudis like, which

1684
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: they do, like pageantry, they do, like the big spectacle,

1685
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: they do, like the circus almost atmosphere, which, by the way,

1686
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: to be clear, I tend to prefer that as well

1687
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: for big boxing contests. I think, to me, that's what

1688
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: we're really gonna have to take a look at here.

1689
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, Dana White getting out there and doing the

1690
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: media for it is promoting it in a certain way.

1691
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: But with the word promoting is doing some interesting work here.

1692
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: Does promoting mean I'm the guy who goes on the

1693
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: Jim Rome show, I'm the guy who shows up on

1694
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: ESPN first take? Or does promoting mean that? Plus, the

1695
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: way in which this event will work is according to

1696
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: my interests as a promoter, like that will be his

1697
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: signature on the event, Like clearly he was the one

1698
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: making a call. The Saudi is just writing a check

1699
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: or are they writing a check with specific instructions for

1700
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: how this is to look for how this is to go?

1701
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: To me, that is the interesting question. And one again,

1702
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: one way or the other, I'm not expecting failure nor

1703
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: wishing it. In fact, we should say BC them doing

1704
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: a media tour, holding the event in Vegas and putting

1705
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: it on Netflix is exactly what the American boxing market

1706
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:53,480
Speaker 1: needs so desperately. A fight that is easy to access,

1707
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: that has we think, pomp and circumstance, and is not

1708
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: sitting behind a paywall, with big names that the public recognizes,

1709
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 1: in about of at least some kind of consequence, and

1710
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: again taking place in Las Vegas. This is exactly what

1711
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: the fight game needs right now in the United States.

1712
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1713
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: There's no world where I'm in any way rooting for

1714
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: anything but massive success. I guess the answer the question,

1715
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: as I indicated, I'm looking to see who's actually in

1716
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: the driver's seat on this one.

1717
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think that's the biggest intrigue

1718
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: in soap opera. Silacious side of this is like we

1719
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: can read the reports from outlets like MMA draw and

1720
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: try to decide for ourselves if we believe that's how

1721
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: it's broken down. If you actually care about was it

1722
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: Turkey that over extended his you know, his offer there

1723
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: with Netflix that things got sour or is it really

1724
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: the potential of finding out that Canela ever has told

1725
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: Turkey he's not gonna fight in Saudi anymore, it has

1726
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: to be in the US, and that he's not a

1727
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: Friday Night Fighter as the card was originally pitched to

1728
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: be the Friday night of that weekend. He's a Saturday

1729
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 2: night Fighter. It seems. If that's true, then that's Turkey

1730
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: sort of bending aggressively to him. Is that the reason

1731
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: why we had disconnect? I don't really know. And you know,

1732
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: at the end you could say I don't care, But

1733
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: to me, this is going to dictate how this relationship

1734
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 2: will go. The UFC does not in TKO are not

1735
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 2: involved in these type of ventures unless they have full

1736
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: control and UFC has that editorially, they have that in

1737
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 2: every possible way, but this time it's not their money.

1738
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: So will this be a thing Because everyone I talked

1739
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: to who's ever worked for Turkey, they're like, he's on

1740
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: top of every single decision. It's his show and Luke.

1741
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: We even have video now from Eddie Hearn who kind

1742
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: of revealed that, like that's how it is working for Turkey.

1743
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: When you're working for Turkey, you're giving up in exchange

1744
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: for the money and you know, the opportunity to do

1745
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: these big events. You're giving up the control and the

1746
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 2: decision making. I don't know yet if I believe that

1747
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: Dana and TKO and zoof or whatever you want to

1748
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: call them, are going to be down for that or

1749
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: if it's going to operate this way. Here's Eddie Hearn.

1750
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: I'd like to get your response on this.

1751
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 3: Would you have liked to have been the promoter of

1752
01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: this fight?

1753
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

1754
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, I mean who wouldn't. I mean, it's

1755
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 7: a fantastic fire, but I don't think but the reality

1756
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 7: is is the promoter of this fire, he's turkular shake.

1757
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't matter when you know, when whenever

1758
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 7: there's a read season event or a ring magazine event,

1759
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 7: all the decisions are made from his excetency. I've been involved,

1760
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 7: you know, and you actually don't really get much of

1761
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 7: an opportunity to make any decisions because he makes them

1762
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 7: all for you, you know, everything down to the design

1763
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 7: of the promo, to the on sale ticket dates, to

1764
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 7: the venue deal. I mean that they're financially bank roll

1765
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 7: in the event, so they're going to be making all

1766
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 7: the decisions. I think it's a good look to have

1767
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 7: Dana doing it. I mean, you know, you're not really

1768
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 7: you know, you're kind of you You're a guest promoter,

1769
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 7: and that's really what a lot of us are when

1770
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 7: we do read season or ring magazine events. So should

1771
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 7: I be doing it?

1772
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: Not really.

1773
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 7: I mean I think Dane's got a much bigger profile

1774
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 7: than me in America, so I get the move. I

1775
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 7: wouldn't be able to do it anyway because I'm exclusive

1776
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 7: to design and obviously the fights on Netflix. But no,

1777
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 7: I think he's a pretty pretty cool movere. I think

1778
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 7: he's good for boxing, you know. I think, as I

1779
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 7: said to you before, Dane's making a move into boxing

1780
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 7: for a reason.

1781
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: Right. Look, there we go on to some lengthy stuff

1782
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: there in his appearance on his own's Ariel and Ada show.

1783
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: But what do you make from the standpoint of who

1784
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: is stamping those decisions? At the end of the day,

1785
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: can this relationship work if it's set up the way

1786
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:44,879
Speaker 2: Eddie just described.

1787
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick con already worked a bit of a

1788
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if miracle is the word, but certainly

1789
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: some careful surgery to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

1790
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, he had just done that in

1791
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: the re signing of ww's Our Truth and his surprise

1792
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: appearance at the pay per view last weekend. The report

1793
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: was that it took after Our Truth turned down multiple

1794
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: offers from WWTKO to resign because they realized they had

1795
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: done him wrong. It took Nick Con on that too, Luke,

1796
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: So is it like, is Nick con the bandy that

1797
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: needs to be there at all times?

1798
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a valuable contributor to the operation. Here's

1799
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: where I come down on this PC. People have asked me, like,

1800
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: can this relationship between TKO and Saudi Arabia ultimately work?

1801
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Because Netflix is here? But you know, who knows how

1802
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: long they're going to be along for the ride. On

1803
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: the one hand, their relationship makes total sense, right, huge

1804
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:44,520
Speaker 1: money meets huge corporation with tons of ties like dominates

1805
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: the fight business. Like, of course that relationship makes sense, right,

1806
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: unlimited wealth plus essentially unlimited not quite but unlimited power.

1807
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: That makes sense. On the other hand, like it just

1808
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: seems destined for failure too, right on, Like you've got

1809
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: someone with unlimited power that wants all the control versus

1810
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: people who have enjoyed all the control themselves. They may

1811
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: not have access to that same kind of capital, but

1812
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: they're certainly well capitalized. They're used to calling the shots

1813
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and they're used to having decisions. How long can this

1814
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: relationship actually sustain again. I think Kennel versus Crawford is

1815
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: going to be a success no matter what, and probably

1816
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: a huge one at that. But I guess I'm a

1817
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: little bit unsure of the long term of what kind

1818
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: of fruit this partnership can actually bear when there are,

1819
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: again which that seems inevitable, disagreements over who gets say

1820
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: and what matters and what goes. I don't know.

1821
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think it's a big topic to follow,

1822
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: and anyone's smart enough to remember, you'll say no BC.

1823
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: We have seen the UFC be the coal pilot before

1824
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: in something like this, and that would be obviously Mayweather McGregor,

1825
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 2: but that was on boxing's terms and UFC wasn't happy

1826
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: with their co pilot spot and complain the whole time

1827
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 2: about every showtime decision. There was a lot of back

1828
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: and forth behind the scenes between the two sides, and

1829
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 2: I think it fueled even further day to going if

1830
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm doing something like this, you know, and I'm putting

1831
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: my name on it, I'm going to be in control.

1832
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes. The current Draftking odds

1833
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 2: for this fight ore Canel Lavareze as your minus one

1834
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 2: eighty five favorite Crawford is only a plus one fifty underdog,

1835
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: and it's I mean, it helps that Canelo is coming

1836
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: off that awful fight with Williams School. I think that

1837
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 2: brought a lot of people back in on the Yeah,

1838
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: maybe Crawford really does have a chance. I do believe

1839
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: Crawford has a chance, but we can't look away on

1840
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: the chance. The same chance he has to get bodied

1841
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 2: and just finding out that this is too big. But

1842
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: then again, that's part of the reason why we are

1843
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: going to tune in and now, Luke, if we're talking

1844
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 2: from a standpoint of any shots being fired here, how

1845
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: about Turkey Alishic this week being very aggressive in coming

1846
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: out and sending a message on social media to all

1847
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: future READD season and Ring magazine card fighters so that

1848
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 2: we don't have a repeat. You would think of that

1849
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: weekend March or May second in Time Square with the

1850
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: low CompuBox historic numbers there, and then Canelo that next

1851
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: night shots fired brought to you by Cuervo. You already

1852
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 2: know now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that

1853
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: invented tequila. Let's hear it, shots fired And here is

1854
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 2: the tweet in question. From this point on, I don't

1855
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: want to see any more Tom and Jerry type boxing

1856
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: matches where one fighter is running around the ring and

1857
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: the other is chasing him. We can no longer support

1858
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: these kind of fights with riances and in the ring.

1859
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: We want to support fighters who leave it all in

1860
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: the ring and fight with heart and pride. Now, look,

1861
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I disagree with that, or that any

1862
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: of us disagree with that. Do you think that that

1863
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 2: stern warning is going to be enough to induce the

1864
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 2: type of action we feel like, you know, we deserve

1865
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: for the money, you know, pay per view prices and

1866
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 2: the money that these guys are being paid.

1867
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: With Canelo Crawford or do you mean like.

1868
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: In general general? No, that's a he sent into the boxing.

1869
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I mean, guys are going to win

1870
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: the way they know how to win. You know, That's

1871
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: just what it's going to be. I don't think it's

1872
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna make much of a difference. But I mean the

1873
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: reality is, you know, he who pays the piper, calls

1874
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: the tune, this is what he wants, this is what

1875
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: he's asking for, this is what he's demanding. I don't

1876
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: think it's gonna make much of it. I mean, that

1877
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: makes some difference. I suppose maybe on the margins, but

1878
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, an edict over Twitter and

1879
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: then saying something to someone in person, just one of

1880
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: these Saudi Arabian purses is enough for some of these

1881
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: guys to be like content with their situation or they're

1882
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: always going to have some kind of excuse about why

1883
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: they had to fight a certain way. I just you

1884
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: have to change the incentive structure in a real way,

1885
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: not in a like a threatening way to get what

1886
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: you want out of these guys. It just doesn't work

1887
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 1: that way, especially when they're already well capitalized. It's not

1888
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: like people who need to get the you know, the

1889
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: rent money so that you know, their lights don't get

1890
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: turned off or something. You know. I'm skeptical that it

1891
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: actually works, but you know this is what you're gonna get.

1892
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean again, Boxing has decided to go all in

1893
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: on a religious monarchy dictatorship.

1894
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,919
Speaker 2: Well, there's people saying this is kind of coincides perfectly

1895
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 2: with the with either the tkophization of boxing, which they're

1896
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 2: attempting to do, or maybe just the Dana White influence.

1897
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that a very data move to to incentify action

1898
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: like that. We've seen it, you know, countlessly in UFC.

1899
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's not a ton of evidence that it

1900
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: actually works.

1901
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 2: That's the hall I agree with you. But it kind

1902
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: of feels like it's a data type move in a

1903
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: lot of ways in their part.

1904
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again it's dictatorial, which it's to be clear,

1905
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: it's not like I even disagree with like what he's

1906
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: asking for in a sense of is what he's asking

1907
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: for desirable? If it worked? I mean, who would argue otherwise?

1908
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: What you want to see boring fights? Nobody wants to

1909
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: see boring fights. But it's a question of, like, you know,

1910
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: the promoter and what they want out of this, And

1911
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: it's not a question of are they asking for something

1912
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 1: that is desired by fans in this case, the question

1913
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: is if you're making these kinds of edict in public,

1914
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: imagine what they're doing in private. Right, that's sort of

1915
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: the issue. Imagine the heavy handedness that comes with doing business.

1916
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: But Boxing appears to want the paycheck and are happy

1917
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: to do business with people who make outrageous demands. So

1918
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, this is the bed they have made time

1919
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: to lay in.

1920
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 2: It Somewhat related to this, on the idea of Turkey

1921
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: being very Dana like. Of late is the way that

1922
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 2: Tayo Fema Lopez Devin Hainey fight seemed to get announced

1923
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 2: and then fall apart and everyone blamed Tao. Here was

1924
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: him on a recent podcast sit down where interesting comments

1925
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: about how that fell apart.

1926
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 10: I think I'm a publicly announcer right now, okay, and

1927
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 10: this is not talking bad on Turkey, Alashi, It is

1928
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 10: not talking bad on any of the guys that was

1929
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 10: part of the deal. However, However, listen, I don't mind

1930
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 10: finding anyone they put in front of me. However, I

1931
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 10: am a prize fighter. I am a person that is

1932
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:04,440
Speaker 10: about principles.

1933
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Sella and I.

1934
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 10: We signed fight two and three contract with X amount

1935
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 10: of dollars, and when it came to before we actually

1936
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 10: signed a fight with Barbosa, my team and I and

1937
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 10: my lawyers, we all came to an agreement for fight

1938
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 10: two and three being signed before we did fight one.

1939
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Okay, now.

1940
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 10: With that being shut, we successfully did fight one, which

1941
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 10: was against Barbosa.

1942
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Fight two includes in.

1943
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 10: Our groupe, Jeran Boots Ennis or any other fighter that

1944
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 10: is in that high calibrated level, meaning could be any.

1945
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 3: Rolando Romero, anyone that you guys.

1946
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 10: Want to see us face against. That was Fight Too,

1947
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 10: that was signed and sealed with X amount of dollars

1948
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 10: that I will not express here. There's none of your

1949
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 10: damn business. When we came to Fight Too, they seller

1950
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 10: and and and Riadd and all this said, we're not

1951
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 10: gonna pay you what we agreed on.

1952
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: For audis, so they haven't.

1953
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 10: And the fact that they publicly announced the fight before

1954
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 10: I even signed the damn deal, Like, couldn't they just wait?

1955
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: I felt like part of me feels like.

1956
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 10: I I got kind of like jobbed in the sense

1957
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 10: of like, was the Boost fight even something that was

1958
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 10: happening or not?

1959
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 2: Luke, it was like, thank you there and yet to

1960
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 2: hear some chewing while he's speaking. But on that I

1961
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 2: look like an IG live stream, not a podcast either way,

1962
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: announcing a fight that's not signed for that seems uh,

1963
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 2: we've seen that before. On the N side. Do you

1964
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: believe him? Is he a valid voice in this space?

1965
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 2: Are we seeing signs of discontent or is this just

1966
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 2: obvious that the purse is tightening now from the original

1967
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 2: rollout of the past year and a half of riadd season,

1968
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 2: and that we're ready to merge with with TKO and

1969
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 2: UFC here. So is it more of that in your eyes?

1970
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm just amazed he was able to get through a

1971
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: few minutes without the N word. I'm really just kind

1972
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: of a blown away. That was an incredible restraint on

1973
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: his part. Yeah. I mean, this is the Saudi plan, right.

1974
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: You just show up and you spray a bunch of

1975
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: money at first, and you don't make a lot of

1976
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: demands about it, and everyone kind of loves it. And

1977
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: then slowly, over time the demands start increasing, and then

1978
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: slowly over time the expectations aren't increasing, and then slowly

1979
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: over time the control starts to tighten and some of

1980
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: the games start to go off. This is their plan.

1981
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: They show up and everyone's like, oh, they treat them

1982
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: like avuncular figures showing up on Christmas Day with presents

1983
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: for all of their nit nieces and nephews. But it

1984
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: all comes at a cost. There's no such thing as

1985
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: a free lunch. This is where we're at now. So

1986
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: I believe what he's saying. I believe him. I believe

1987
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: what he is telling. I believe that they are announcing

1988
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: stuff without it being signed, and I believe that there

1989
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: might be playing games about some belt tightening, although obviously

1990
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 1: their purses are still going to be, you know, higher

1991
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: than what you would normally get. But again, you know,

1992
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 1: it's not like they weren't warned. Hey, I don't know

1993
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: if it's a great idea to do business with a

1994
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: religious dictatorial monarchy, but they didn't listen.

1995
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: So enjoy it all, right, zofa boxing coming to a

1996
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 2: theater near you. No, this is the big launch though,

1997
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: We'll see how this fight goes, Louke. Topic number five.

1998
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 2: Interesting potential trend here that you put on my radar.

1999
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Pfl's Logan Storley, who, of course last night advanced to

2000
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 2: the welterweight final on August first, is saying he believes

2001
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 2: the nil money available to college athletes, and in particular

2002
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 2: college wrestlers, is so much that it's actually preventing potential

2003
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 2: college wrestling stars from making that transition to MMA, which

2004
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: has been such a fruitful pipeline in this sports history. Luke,

2005
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 2: he gave an interview with MMA Fighting where he went

2006
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: on to elaborate further. But what are your thoughts on this?

2007
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 1: This to me seems like it might be a big

2008
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: problem people have rightly noted that the bang you got

2009
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: for your buck by getting a wrestler out of college

2010
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: and putting him to MMA has declined relative to what

2011
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: it was circum Matt Hughes, two time All American, you know,

2012
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: never won a national title, but obviously was very very

2013
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 1: good and a huge figure in that welterweight division. And

2014
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: really MMA at the time like what it meant to

2015
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: have a premier athlete with that particular skill set come over.

2016
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: That is true. The level of what you get, or

2017
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: the amount of what you get by just taking a

2018
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: good elite wrestler out of college and put in MMA

2019
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 1: has declined. That part is true. However, you know the

2020
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: factors that put them there, which is that you know,

2021
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: unless you can make an Olympic or world team, basically

2022
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: your career prospects were done after college. And again in

2023
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: a world where everyone was a student athlete, this constrained

2024
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: their options to such a degree that they had nowhere

2025
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: else to go. But here comes MMA, and all of

2026
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you can make some money as a wrestler.

2027
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: But two things have happened. One, the growth of sport

2028
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu has taken many of them that would ordinarily

2029
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: have done this, Michael Pixley, Jason Nolf to name but

2030
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: a few. I actually say three things. Two, Now you

2031
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: can do like seminars and you know, tutorials that you

2032
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: can sell online, and you can do some coaching, and

2033
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: you can make a pretty decent coin. And now there's

2034
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: this nil money. And again that's not going to affect

2035
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: like every there's still going to be wrestlers who don't

2036
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: make a lot, who don't have a lot of career prospects,

2037
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 1: who are still very very good, who might be interested

2038
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 1: in MMA. It's not like you're completely shutting off the valve.

2039
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: But bc part of the reason why EMMA was able

2040
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: to sell itself for a time was not just because

2041
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: you could say, hey, these guys have college degrees. That

2042
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: was part of it, but you could talk about their

2043
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: athletic pedigree and where they came from, and people intuitively

2044
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: understood this, and more to the point, it was just

2045
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: feeding the ranks of who was there all the way

2046
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: from heavyweight down to you know, you name it, virtually

2047
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:35,679
Speaker 1: anyway class below it. And now I mean, ask yourself

2048
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 1: what it means to have this pipeline not again, not

2049
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: completely shut off, but to be severely diminished. I'm not

2050
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: saying it's the UFC's fault because they didn't pay enough,

2051
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and you know I should say that I don't think

2052
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: that that helps, Like that clearly doesn't help. But the

2053
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make is who can solve this problem?

2054
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Because it's a much bigger problem than just the UFC's.

2055
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: It's a I would argue, something of a global problem

2056
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,759
Speaker 1: because there's also a broader set of circumstances. You could

2057
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: get guys like Fabricio Verdom and Josh Barnett and Frank

2058
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Meir and you name it to compete at a time

2059
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: when the prizes weren't necessarily as high because it was

2060
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: still this new, coveted thing that would attract people who

2061
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: would make that trade off. But now you're not getting

2062
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: as many people of that athletic caliber or interest to

2063
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 1: make that trade off. And then on top of it,

2064
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: you're adding these issues about what wrestlers can now have

2065
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 1: options with either nil or submission grappling and or coaching

2066
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: and tutorials online in between. So you've got a global

2067
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: and at least and in particular a domestic supply problem. Well,

2068
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: how do you fix that? It's not gonna I mean

2069
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: if if to an extent, To an extent, the UFC

2070
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: has been able and all promotions, but obviously we talk

2071
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: about UFC because of the flag bear. They've been able

2072
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: to just receive the sport as it is. There was

2073
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: enough homegrown things happening, there were enough mechanisms in play

2074
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: that put the wind at the UFC's back. But just

2075
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 1: taking heavyweight BC, the wind is no longer at their back.

2076
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: Even with the growth of the sport globally, it seems

2077
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: to me that like somebody, some kind of entity is

2078
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: going to have to change or go on a recruiting

2079
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: spree or do something to make sure that we have

2080
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: a consistent level of talent available in order to make

2081
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: this sport work the way that it once did. And

2082
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I recognize that what wrestlers brought is not

2083
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the same as what it meant ten or fifteen years ago,

2084
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,480
Speaker 1: but it's still pretty valuable and it's still pretty important.

2085
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: To lose that is not a good thing, no, And.

2086
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you that it's not you know, one

2087
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 2: person or one entity's fault, that it's the result of

2088
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 2: bringing in so much change, and a lot of the

2089
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 2: change was necessary, but collegiate athletes have leverage and rights now,

2090
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: and you know, and get paid and can transfer through

2091
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 2: the portal seemingly at will. So it's a different time

2092
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 2: in that regard. Interesting from Storly in particular, in talking

2093
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 2: to MMA fighting, he says he's a lot of the

2094
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: top guys are making, meaning collegiate wrestlers between a million

2095
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 2: and a million and a half with their NIL endorsement deals,

2096
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 2: so it's changing the way the top recruits look at it.

2097
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 2: His specific quote was, I think the landscape of MMA

2098
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 2: has changed with Contender series and less guys on the roster,

2099
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 2: with PFL Belator being gone, It's changed a little bit.

2100
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 2: Wrestling has some money, and there's no security in your

2101
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: early career in MMA. That's just the truth of it.

2102
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 2: The first few years are very, very tough, and I

2103
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 2: think with guys making money over there and going into

2104
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 2: coaching and coaching rules, you have a little more security.

2105
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 2: More guys are just getting regular jobs and don't want

2106
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 2: to do MMA. I think it'll be interesting the next

2107
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 2: five years what it looks like with wrestlers coming over.

2108
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 2: It's changing a lot, Lukes. So this is a trend

2109
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 2: to follow. But if you can make that kind of

2110
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 2: money and not take the punishment and not have to

2111
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 2: be dirt hungry and living in your car, which is

2112
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 2: a whole lot of them in make careers seem to

2113
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 2: start off and you're already famous. It's a day. It's

2114
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 2: gonna take the industry to if they really want these

2115
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 2: guys to develop an incentive structure of early recruitment, you know,

2116
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 2: and to foster that relationship. It can't be just.

2117
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: I also think I know no one wants to hear this.

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Speaker 1: It's a tired debate and I'm tired of having it.

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Speaker 1: But better fighter pay might fix some of this. Two.

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Speaker 2: That's also two. Yeah, I agree with you on that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, those are our five topics this week. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for playing. I'm told we don't have any dead Wrong.

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Speaker 2: So look we passed the test this past week.

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Speaker 1: Good to know I was right about everything.

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Speaker 2: There we go. Morning Coombat at gmail dot com is

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Speaker 2: your pathway to Friday segments of Dead Wrong fan subs

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Speaker 2: or just to reach out to the show or show

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Speaker 2: Mikey your peace. But please don't, please don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a submission segment where you put up two

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Speaker 2: picks and tight T shirts of your significant others. This

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Speaker 2: one's called fan subs. You've got mail fusures viewers. We

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Speaker 2: do have. One of them is Salwool from Louisville. The

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Speaker 2: finest gutterman this side of anything. Luke Okay, he gets

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Speaker 2: it done in and out of the ring, if you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, he says. Made the trip from

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Speaker 2: Louisville to Bowling Green, a two hour commute, for a

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Speaker 2: Buelo's eighty first birthday. My cousin Jessica made the trip

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Speaker 2: with me and we stopped at the local BUCkies on

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Speaker 2: the way down, and she drove my drunk ass all

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Speaker 2: that way back. Look, you know, Saoul is reping MK

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Speaker 2: in everything that he does in life. I love that

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Speaker 2: he gives us these little snippets of his personal life.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Albuela, Shout out to cousin Jessica.

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Speaker 1: Wa wait, go back to the picture with the cake.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's a bueilo.

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Speaker 2: Boilo excuse me my fault.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but more than that, look at the top of

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Speaker 1: that cake that looks like either the logo for con

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01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: Mo bol. You know, Coca cap is the North American

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Speaker 1: Soccer Federation. Essentially con mabul is the one for South

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Speaker 1: America or it looks like the one for or maybe Ecuador.

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01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: I'm not I can't quite tell, but I'd be curious

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Speaker 1: to see what that logo is that's on the well.

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Speaker 2: Also is also a big fan of pack my ball.

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Speaker 2: Luke can smoke it, so I'll never forget that. Who

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Speaker 2: is height of it too? Uh? Well, a dressed man?

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01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: Look at these? Look at these they got taheen over

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01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: there next to the hot sauce that got the top

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Speaker 1: of teo ship. Brother, they're doing it right, dude.

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Speaker 2: We should do I've always said it. Well, we don't

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01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 2: have the budget anymore, but we should do a WWF

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01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: in your House contest where MK, if you win, comes

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01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 2: to your house, does an episode from your house parties

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Speaker 2: with you right there?

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Speaker 1: Let me look at me right now. I would one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent do that if somebody, if somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: make it worth our while we at a bare minimum,

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Speaker 1: iye will one thousand percent do that. I will one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent do that.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, I will blow up your restroom, so.

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01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and BC will bang your girl because that's his.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Hey. Our second one comes from

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Speaker 2: King Kim bong Ill he says suppedunks made some memes

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Speaker 2: of a running joke from the main card min at

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Speaker 2: live streams thanks to Bong Island Luke's suggestions hashtag main

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01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 2: card memes. Yeah, what's up with that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a running joke back to when we

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Speaker 3: were debating in February what was better the UFC Saudi

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Speaker 3: card or UFC three twelve, and Luke was adamant that

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01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 3: UFC three twelve was better, even.

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01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Though everyone on paper better.

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Speaker 3: So it's been a running joke in my chat that

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Speaker 3: UC Vegas one O seven, which was the Blanchefield Barber debacle,

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Speaker 3: is a Luke would argue it's a better card than

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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia because.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, I would not actually argue that, but

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Speaker 1: these are funny memes.

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01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh here's a BC one UFC Saudi was better

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Speaker 2: than you f C Vegas one O seven, lt says,

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Speaker 2: are you? I think?

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Speaker 1: I think my favorite part about these photoshops is how

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Speaker 1: unbelievably they are.

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Speaker 2: You that's the least effort ever to put a head

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Speaker 2: on and that all right, thank you, Kim bong eel

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01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 1: Let's go now that you put that in my head,

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01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 1: we should do the what was the what was the

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Speaker 1: Metallica thing called MTV?

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Speaker 2: It was just w w F in your house?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't you remember Metallica?

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Speaker 2: No one because John Mellencamp played in somebody's backyard with

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Speaker 2: that same content.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, m K donks, I don't know how

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01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 1: you can make it worth our while. I will show

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01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 1: up to your house. We will do m K. We

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01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: will party, we'll hit the bong, we'll do all that

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01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: fun stuff, all on camera.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we got to get Jake there with

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Speaker 2: the cameras. But also are we are we limiting it

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01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,520
Speaker 2: to us or are we going to end up between

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01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,760
Speaker 2: the Boss Lady and Jay Piquead in Nova Scotia. You

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01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 1: Like I would go to Canada. I would go to Canada.

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01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm also going to take a dump upper decker style

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01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: in your house and.

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01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: Then yeah, see that's that's what the actual in your

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01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 2: house element is. We will break your plumbing MK style. Uh,

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01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 2: I gotta get out here. Let's me up this Joe

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01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 2: m He says, Father's Day is coming up. I found

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01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 2: the perfect gift for BC's kids to get him. Oh

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01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 2: my god, that's an autographed nine to eleven Bin Lot

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01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 2: in Jersey that's signed by Robert O'Neill, the Navy seal

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Speaker 2: who killed Bin Laden for eighty five dollars.

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01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 1: That is you got. You gotta wear that every September

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01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: of New York City.

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01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 2: Dude, I get like immediately taken down if I walk

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01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: to New York City streets with that, or does it

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01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 2: just fit in on the crazy new ors.

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01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. I can't tell.

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01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Joe, that was incredible. Also to close, Allen

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Speaker 2: w Is, the Hall of Fame contributor of this segment,

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01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 2: a big fan of that international man in Mystery. He says,

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01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 2: we got five photos here. First of them is Morning

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01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 2: Combats Punch Out Luke. It's I read books, Suck my balls.

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Speaker 1: Thomas.

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01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 2: Against Lil Brian.

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Speaker 1: This is great, dude, you gotta send that to me.

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01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Over the over the penis.

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01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 3: The score in the top left and the postina, oh,

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Speaker 3: nine to eleven in the top five.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, no, Cina, look at

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Speaker 2: the points four twenty. Are we able to put this

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01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 2: on a T shirt under on under US law? Please?

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01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 2: Can we sell this? Oh?

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01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 3: We should be able to.

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01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: Dude, this is maybe one of my favorite fan subs

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01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. That is fucking awesome with.

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01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 2: The with the DC flag on your groin too, yeah

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01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 2: on the penis. Yeah, that's so good. All right. Alan

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Speaker 2: W's got one called Deep Thoughts.

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01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 1: Deep Thoughts by Luke Thomas. Just because you don't give

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01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: up doesn't mean you will make it.

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01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 2: Look at that garish robe you were too, Yes.

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01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: And the loafers. I would never wear loafers like that,

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Speaker 1: but it absolutely works for the picture.

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Speaker 2: We got a youth basketball camp is our next one?

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01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Eric Campbell's youth basketball camp in School of Discipline. Yes,

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01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 2: for those hardcorees that hit that listens to the BC ramble.

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01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 2: That's what I do to my kids on the driveway.

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01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 2: I play dirty, I play I talk trash.

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01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to do a tournament, you versus like

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01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 1: a series of eleven and twelve year olds and then yeah,

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01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 1: they lower the hoops so you can dunk on them.

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01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 2: Oh d that'd be so good Scalabrini style to show

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01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 2: up at your driveway and just ruin your kids, that'd

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01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,759
Speaker 2: be great. Yeah, and then probably take your significant other home. Yeah, well,

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01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 2: there you go. We also have a scooter rentals.

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Speaker 1: Bangkok scooter rentals.

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Speaker 2: Oh please, could this be a T shirt? I mean, seriously,

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01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 2: if we made this a shirt, how many would we sell?

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01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

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01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: Is it like all of them?

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Speaker 3: We can't use John Jones likeness like that, But maybe

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01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 3: if we like blur out his face or something, we

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01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 3: could still that you could imply it's John.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we'd sell five hundred of those?

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01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:49,640
Speaker 1: They should have spelled Bangkok CEOs yes, k, but you

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01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: know other way either way, I mean, what are you

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01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: employing here?

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the final one. He says they are

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01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 2: degenerate on the ground. Now they have wings. It's dunk

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01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 2: air Luke, you're uh, you are the what's that guy's name?

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01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: The uh, the actor that plays the guy the ball

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01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 2: guy in that movie, John Malkovich.

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01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 1: That's John Malkovich.

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01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Nicholas Cage in the middle with the hair.

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01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 2: And there's no Cina. Oh that's so good.

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01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: So is no Cita sack?

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01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:23,280
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes he is great. Wow, that is great.

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01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 2: Alan w thank you, thank you so much for your.

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01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 1: Artistic that Mike Tyson's punch out one is put it

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01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 1: up one more time. Put the Mike Tyson's punch, the

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01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, the four to twenty, the two O two.

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01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: By the way, on round one, two O two is

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01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: the area code here for phone numbers.

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01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a deep dive right there.

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01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Dude, that is absolutely first fucking And also look at

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01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: your face on the bottom right hand corner. Yeah, that's

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01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: your that's your rapist face. You know.

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01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Oh hey, go wow. We can call it. We can

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01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 2: call it my French Canadian face movie. All right, I

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Speaker 2: gotta go. I gotta get out here. Fantastic stuff Morning

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01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 2: Coombat at gmail dot com. Like in someubscribe. Here are

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01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 2: our handles if you if you're ready to handle them,

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01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 2: Morningcombat dot shop. Luke. Luke Mosita is a great guy.

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01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 2: Follow his show The Main Card Minute as well, Luke Thomas.

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01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,600
Speaker 1: Anything else, No, I might do a live stream this

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01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:17,799
Speaker 1: weekend for Buckley and Usman, So follow dot com Thomas.

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01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 2: There you go. Check out the substack as well. I

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01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 2: got to s ratch that Kyle Koulinski interview. Luke, find

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01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 2: out what's going I just put it up this morning.

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01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 2: Well done, right there? All right, that's it. We out

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01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 2: of here. Uh, let's get it done. I don't know.

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01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 2: I gotta go, thank you.

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Speaker 1: There you go.