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Speaker 1: all right. So we, of course, as always have a mystery,
Speaker 1: and this week the mystery is is spontaneous human combustion
Speaker 1: actually a real thing done? So? It's a hot case
Speaker 1: of hot lead, do you yes? Yes, it's burned it up.
Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know, spontaneous human
Speaker 1: combustion is described as the rare event when a human
Speaker 1: body is found partially or sometimes fully burned to basically
Speaker 1: ashes while the things around the body have suffered very
Speaker 1: little if no damage from the fire that seems to
Speaker 1: have consumed it, which is, what do you think about it?
Speaker 1: Kind of weird. It's usually what you find burned up
Speaker 1: bodies there in the middle of a big fire themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole place has gone up, So it's a little
Speaker 1: strange when you think about it. Yeah, it's also strange
Speaker 1: that you know, the combustion, even if it is coming
Speaker 1: from a human, isn't catching all this stuff around said
Speaker 1: human on fire exactly? And how it just it's just
Speaker 1: contained to the body. Yeah, And that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: recurring theme as we go through it. We're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep it wait like it's gonna come up. So
Speaker 1: I'm just warning you now. I'm gonna we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about how spontaneous human combustion could happen, but that's mostly
Speaker 1: gonna be in the theory section. But what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start out with is a couple of stories of spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion because they kind of illustrated a little better
Speaker 1: than than just the basic facts. Before we do those stories, though,
Speaker 1: I will say thank you to the listeners who have
Speaker 1: suggested this. This was suggested by Stewart and Sarah and
Speaker 1: possibly other people, a suggested to us by the guys
Speaker 1: over at BuzzFeed unsolved. Oh yeah, I forgot about those.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we should talk to them one
Speaker 1: of these days. But but okay, So, spontaneous human combustion,
Speaker 1: there have been reports of it's a lot of about
Speaker 1: two D parts of it in the last three to
Speaker 1: five hundred years. So I'm gonna tell a couple of those.
Speaker 1: Uh And before I get into it, I'm gonna issue
Speaker 1: a word of warning to everybody that you may, as
Speaker 1: we're talking to this, if you're sitting in front of
Speaker 1: the computer, be tempted to start Google image searching spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion. And I will tell you that if you
Speaker 1: have a week's stomach, or you are too young to
Speaker 1: oh I don't know see that kind of stuff, just
Speaker 1: don't do it. Or it can be yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: might know what to do that a lot of work listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah don't that would be great. You know, you're sitting
Speaker 1: in your cubicle and the guy in the cubic going
Speaker 1: next you, suddenly it throws up, you know, jeezy, Just
Speaker 1: don't yet. Yeah, just be safe, don't do it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go through four cases I've I've picked
Speaker 1: out here. We're gonna start with case number one, which
Speaker 1: is the case of Mary Reeserchu. Mary Reeser lived in St. Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this seems to be one of
Speaker 1: the most famous ones. I think it's because it's got
Speaker 1: the most photos taken of it. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: photos of her scene. But Mary was found dead in
Speaker 1: her home on July two. What happened is that her
Speaker 1: landlady came by her door at about eight o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning that day, and for reasons that I don't know,
Speaker 1: um became alarmed that Mary wasn't answering the door, and
Speaker 1: then she grabbed the door handle and found that the
Speaker 1: door handle was hot. Because eight am is too early
Speaker 1: for a hot door knob, even in the state of Florida,
Speaker 1: where it's a million degrees in July sunlight to have
Speaker 1: fall on it yet and warm it up. So why
Speaker 1: the hell isn't hot? Exactly? So, the landlady, whose name
Speaker 1: I can't find, it's always omitted. She gets upset. She
Speaker 1: starts knocking on the door. She can't get married to respond.
Speaker 1: She goes and calls the police. You know, you're touching
Speaker 1: how hot door knob? You should actually call the fire department. True,
Speaker 1: you should just call Mine one one and say but
Speaker 1: one was not a thing. They did not have that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know when that started. Well, now just dial
Speaker 1: Mine one one or whatever your emergency things and say
Speaker 1: somebody's not responding, and what is it from the I
Speaker 1: T crowd? Oh god, yeah, yeah, okay, So any who.
Speaker 1: She touches the door handle, realizes that it's warmer than
Speaker 1: it should be, and calls the police, who then come
Speaker 1: and get into the apartment. They break down the door
Speaker 1: and they find Mary's remains in a chair, and by
Speaker 1: remains on me, Yeah, what's left of her? Because she
Speaker 1: had essentially her and the chair had essentially been reduced
Speaker 1: to ashes. What was left was her part of her
Speaker 1: left foot, and it had she was wearing slippers, so
Speaker 1: they were still slipper on that foot, fully intact, and
Speaker 1: her skull was still there. But the accounting is always
Speaker 1: say that it was shrunk down to the size of
Speaker 1: a teacup, which I mean I take to mean that
Speaker 1: all of the skin was burned off, and the skull
Speaker 1: must have fallen apart, because you know, your skull is
Speaker 1: not one solid bone, it's multiples. And that's the only
Speaker 1: way that I can figure out that bone would be
Speaker 1: reduced to the size of a teacup. Yeah. No, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna shrink because of fire, right, Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking crumbling falling apire might make it brittle. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe when they fire the fire and picked it up,
Speaker 1: they're sort of like, oh, look at that groove. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: I don't know, to be quite honest, that the teacup
Speaker 1: thing is one of those very sensationalized statements, but that
Speaker 1: is Mary's story. Will move from Mary. So. Case number
Speaker 1: two is the case of John Irving Bentley. Mr. Bentley
Speaker 1: had had friends over visiting at at his home on
Speaker 1: December four, six, and after his friends all left, he
Speaker 1: apparently burst into flames sometime between the hours of nine
Speaker 1: o'clock at night because his visitors all left at nine
Speaker 1: o'clock and the next morning, which would be December five,
Speaker 1: he would be burned to a pile of ashes except
Speaker 1: for his right leg. He was found by the meter
Speaker 1: reader who showed up to read his meter. By the way,
Speaker 1: does everybody know what a meter reader is? Well, I do,
Speaker 1: but probably not everybody. Okay, here's the thing, is that
Speaker 1: for folks who may not know, you've got like a
Speaker 1: gas meter or an electric meter outside your house. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so somebody has to come by and read the
Speaker 1: meter on a certain day. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: you've used used to have to. I don't think they do.
Speaker 1: Not all of it is automated, but a lot of
Speaker 1: it is these days. But but that's what a meter
Speaker 1: reader is, and they're fairly common, you know, they come
Speaker 1: by all the time. So he used to your meter
Speaker 1: reader reader was like, you know, poke around. Its stupid
Speaker 1: and stuff. That really was this business? I don't quite get.
Speaker 1: I think that that Well, according to what I've read,
Speaker 1: the meter reader said, when he got there, he noticed
Speaker 1: a weird smell, and then he said he saw a
Speaker 1: blue smoke, which I'm guessing he must have seen that
Speaker 1: through the window of the house. He wasn't in it,
Speaker 1: and at that point, and apparently the house must have
Speaker 1: been unlocked, because he decided to investigate. And when he
Speaker 1: got to the bathroom of the house, he would find
Speaker 1: John Bentley or John Irving Bentley's body and he would
Speaker 1: run for help screaming something to the effect of Dr
Speaker 1: Bentley has burned up. Oh my god, No, it's a
Speaker 1: little weird. And the investigators when they first checked him out,
Speaker 1: they said, oh, well, it's probably pretty obvious here. He
Speaker 1: probably was known to smoke pipe. They said, he probably
Speaker 1: caught himself on fire while smoking in the bathroom, except
Speaker 1: that they would find his pipe completely intact in his bedroom,
Speaker 1: unmarred by flames, so he's in bathroom, So that doesn't
Speaker 1: line up with their initial theory. Though a lot of
Speaker 1: pipe smokers have more than one pipe. That is true.
Speaker 1: And we're going to get more into all of these
Speaker 1: cases in a little bit, but we'll just keep moving
Speaker 1: through to case number three, which is the case of
Speaker 1: Robert Francis Bailey. He was a homeless man and he
Speaker 1: apparently burned to death in nineteen sixty seven at five am.
Speaker 1: A group of people were waiting at the bus stop.
Speaker 1: This is in September. What was this? What was this?
Speaker 1: At some reason, I'm thinking San Francisco. What I can't
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you know, I had it in my
Speaker 1: notes and somehow it's not here, and I can't answer
Speaker 1: that question. Off the top light. I don't remember, doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, I guess. Yeah, but these people are waiting
Speaker 1: outside for the bus and they look up into the
Speaker 1: window of a nearby building and they said that they
Speaker 1: saw flames, and so they called the police. So it
Speaker 1: was like an abandoned house though, right, Yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: listed as a derelict building. So it gives me the
Speaker 1: impression that it must have been an abandoned or almost
Speaker 1: maybe a foreclosed kind of situation, completely empty building that
Speaker 1: you know, somebody experiencing homelessness might squat in correct. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So the police get there and they get into the
Speaker 1: building and they they find Robert Francis Bailey's body, which
Speaker 1: is at that point still on fire. The arriving officers
Speaker 1: would report that they saw a blue flame that was
Speaker 1: coming out of a approximately four inch slit in his abdomen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said it almost looked like it was like a
Speaker 1: jet of blue ling like a torch if you've used
Speaker 1: like a camping torch kind of thing. That's the way
Speaker 1: that that that's what that brings to mind to me
Speaker 1: when they call it a blue flame, a torch like flame.
Speaker 1: Is this kind of fire spewing out of his belly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how would go about processing. That's
Speaker 1: not probably something you were expecting to see when you
Speaker 1: left the house that day. No, no, no, no no, I would.
Speaker 1: I would have to say you're correct. I will say
Speaker 1: that the reporting always says that his teeth were clamped
Speaker 1: down on the newle post of the staircase. And if
Speaker 1: you don't know what that is, that's the last upright
Speaker 1: on the handrail, so theah on the ends, the top
Speaker 1: and the bottom, it's the big post. Now. I looked
Speaker 1: at the pictures and they say that they they say
Speaker 1: that it looks like he was biting down on it.
Speaker 1: To me, it looks like he fell down and as
Speaker 1: uh desiccated as his body is, I almost feel like
Speaker 1: maybe his head just kind of fell into it, and
Speaker 1: that's why it looks like it was biting it, because
Speaker 1: it looks more like it's resting against it then Actually
Speaker 1: to me, biting it means, you know, clamped down into
Speaker 1: the wood, almost in pain kind of, And it would
Speaker 1: not me at all correct and post burned by the way, No, no,
Speaker 1: not in the picture that I saw, and teeth marks
Speaker 1: in it. Well, like I said, it just looked like
Speaker 1: his head was resting next to it. He was not
Speaker 1: completely burned up, though, because they found him there and
Speaker 1: his belly was, you know, shooting out this blue flame.
Speaker 1: And they put him out by shoving a rubber hose
Speaker 1: in his you know, in that slit and spraying it
Speaker 1: full of water, which you know, that's like if twelve
Speaker 1: year old me wants to make the up your nose
Speaker 1: with a rubber hose joke here. But the point is
Speaker 1: they had to stead to fill his insides with water
Speaker 1: to put it out. Yeah. I don't know. I would
Speaker 1: have been tempted to just let him burn out myself.
Speaker 1: I think that might have been a bit of a
Speaker 1: safety hazard. Their call of duty. Yeah, I guess where
Speaker 1: did they get the hose from. I don't know where
Speaker 1: they get the water from. I don't know. I assume
Speaker 1: they called the fire department maybe, you know. It's my
Speaker 1: assumption that the reason people called the police for all
Speaker 1: these things is the police would then the dispatcher would
Speaker 1: then also call the fire department. If somebody called and said,
Speaker 1: smoke is coming out of this building, we need the police,
Speaker 1: they would say, all right, police are on their way.
Speaker 1: Oh and also let's just bring the fire department. So
Speaker 1: cops are kind of crowd control the firefighters there to
Speaker 1: fight the fire, and they work in tandem. I don't
Speaker 1: that's just my assumption on the cops should show there
Speaker 1: might be arsonists who are fleeing as the scene of
Speaker 1: the crime. I mean pictures of the crowds, firebugs are around,
Speaker 1: and it may be that the police officer number is
Speaker 1: way easier to memorize than you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We have one final case that we're going to talk about,
Speaker 1: which is number four, Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas was a
Speaker 1: seventy three year old man. He lived in South Wales
Speaker 1: and he died in night. Henry Thomas's remains were found
Speaker 1: showing Okay, so he apparently been sitting in like an
Speaker 1: easy chair sort of like Mary Reese. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: was burned from the top down. So he's in a chair.
Speaker 1: So this sounds nice and peaceful, except that it appears
Speaker 1: that he was one of the weird ones that he
Speaker 1: burned from like the neck or head down instead of
Speaker 1: sort of starting more in the abdominal area. That a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff talks spontaneous hum combustion. Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: is so like Mary. He like I said, he didn't
Speaker 1: completely burn up. His legs were there. As we just said,
Speaker 1: what's unusual, and you see this a lot of times
Speaker 1: in spontaneous human combustion cases, is that his legs were
Speaker 1: still clothed in socks and pants. So he had a
Speaker 1: pair of pants on and socks, and apparently the pants
Speaker 1: had burned away from you know, the upper portion above
Speaker 1: the knee, and they were still there. So it's almost,
Speaker 1: if you know how, you'll you'll take pants and you'll
Speaker 1: make cut off shorts off of him. But now just
Speaker 1: leave that cut off portion that's below the knee hanging
Speaker 1: there and nothing else. It's all sitting there. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: maybe kind of flame retard material or something like that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's weird that it would burn part but not all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because materials started coming on the steam late seventies,
Speaker 1: more in the eighties, and a lot more in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got really good. They said they were
Speaker 1: flame retarded when they were still just cotton, not coated
Speaker 1: in gasoline. So but I don't know. But but what
Speaker 1: happens is they find his body. He's been burned, his
Speaker 1: knees and legs are still there. They rule him death
Speaker 1: by burning. So they say he is not a case
Speaker 1: of spontaneous human combustion. Though, as I'm going to repeat
Speaker 1: a lot of times today, the internet disagrees, calls this
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion. Sure, okay, I agree, why not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there you have it, four stories of people who
Speaker 1: simularly have burned up where they sat, literally where they
Speaker 1: sat or laid. Consistencies between these cases is that, as
Speaker 1: we just talked about with Mary and Henry, their legs
Speaker 1: seemed to escape the flames, and the other one had
Speaker 1: one leg the right. The second one we talked about,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Oh, Mr Bentley, Yeah, he was in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, and so one of his legs was still.
Speaker 1: Mary had a leg, laugh, Mary had a little leg.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll see that forearms and hands, it seemed to
Speaker 1: be left behind. They're not burned up, but the furthest extremities, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: the furthest extremities are left behind. Another consistent thing is
Speaker 1: that there's usually a bad smell in the room where
Speaker 1: the body is found. And I don't mean that that
Speaker 1: you know, that dirty smoky smell, but more of a greasy,
Speaker 1: fatty bernie smell of barbecue, not in the nice way,
Speaker 1: not in the nice way at all. Uh. And and
Speaker 1: the things that are around the body. We've talked about
Speaker 1: this in the very be any things around the body,
Speaker 1: like furnishings or carpets or flooring don't appear to have
Speaker 1: burned there. They may be covered in soot and gross stuff,
Speaker 1: but they are not actually burned up. So it's weird
Speaker 1: because you would think that if, like we said before,
Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna burn, everything else around them should go
Speaker 1: up as well. We would think they would catch fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a known fact, and we have to say
Speaker 1: this here that spontaneous combustion, just the active things spontaneously
Speaker 1: combust is a verified fact. We know that happen. So
Speaker 1: things like coal dust or greasy rags or compost pile,
Speaker 1: things that are particularly combustible. Anyway, it is really weird
Speaker 1: tho when you stuff your hand and into like the
Speaker 1: middle of a pile of like bart dust and it's warm,
Speaker 1: a bit warm, you know, and that's really weird. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's nothing creeper. And we have a compost. We have
Speaker 1: extra outdoor compost bins. We used to make top soil
Speaker 1: for planting beds, and I'll go out there in the
Speaker 1: middle of winter and I turned these things about once
Speaker 1: every week or two, and I will turn it and
Speaker 1: it is steaming hot in the middle. And then you
Speaker 1: put that in a hot day, hot environment, that stuff
Speaker 1: can catch fires spontaneously combust It's crazy, but it happens.
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing is that nothing about the human
Speaker 1: body seems to lend itself to be inherently flammable. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. They usually like, like you know, when
Speaker 1: you go to the crematorium, they don't just like, you know,
Speaker 1: so a match on you. Let nature take care of itself.
Speaker 1: You know, they got to put you in a They
Speaker 1: gotta stuff stuff you in an oven and apply like
Speaker 1: what four hundred degrees hundred degrees fahrenheit, which is seven
Speaker 1: sixty to n eighty degrees celsius. That's what it takes
Speaker 1: to cremate someone when they put you in the big oven.
Speaker 1: Because it turns out we're mostly water. We are, and
Speaker 1: water doesn't burn, no, no, And the human body is
Speaker 1: somewhere I've always see it disputed and debated, but we're
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range. We're water. Depending on how much
Speaker 1: you've had to drink that day. True, and I always
Speaker 1: like to quote Star Trek the next generation, we are
Speaker 1: ugly bags of water, and it's true. So we're we're big, walking,
Speaker 1: ugly bags of waters. We are not inherently flammable. But
Speaker 1: that's rather judgment on their part. I think those aliens
Speaker 1: were right, Yeah, the aliens probably, Yeah, it was an
Speaker 1: obviously obviously. The key here is if you want to
Speaker 1: burn some burning body, you've got to first put it
Speaker 1: in a food dryer and turn it into cherokee first, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it will burn real easy. So here's the
Speaker 1: thing that is that we we technically speaking, I mean
Speaker 1: we talked about putting somebody into a furnat we can
Speaker 1: burn because the human body, while being made up of
Speaker 1: a lot of water, is also made up of a
Speaker 1: lot of fats and acids and those kind of things burn,
Speaker 1: So it is possible. But you know, think about the
Speaker 1: amount of energy that is required to completely consume a
Speaker 1: human body. I mean, you put somebody into a cremation oven.
Speaker 1: Crematorium's oven, they don't completely disintegrate, like there are big
Speaker 1: chunks left over, big hunks of bone, whereas in these
Speaker 1: cases of spontaneous human combustion. Sometimes very little bone is
Speaker 1: left over. It's very small pieces. Sad fact. If and
Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna be cremated, I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: stuck in the ground. But you know they don't. They
Speaker 1: then stick you your remains it all blender to grind
Speaker 1: it all down. Oh yeah, I thought they like took
Speaker 1: it out of the parking lot hammer a few times. No, no,
Speaker 1: I know we're laughing at this, but the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is that they have to stick you into
Speaker 1: some industrial grade grinder to grind up the remaining bits
Speaker 1: so that you fit into your you know, turn plastic
Speaker 1: bag special yes, plant pod or plant pod. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this before. You actually like
Speaker 1: the idea. They have the thing where you can be
Speaker 1: mixed in with concrete and be used in those constructs
Speaker 1: that they put in the bottom of the ocean to
Speaker 1: help coral reefs begin. I like the ones you can
Speaker 1: do the pods where you plant a tree. Oh and
Speaker 1: you become just fertilizer for a tree like that too,
Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah, probably got to be fertilizer for
Speaker 1: something for sure, no matter what, unless zombies, which is
Speaker 1: why that's why you want to be cremated. That's why
Speaker 1: I have safe Yeah, take your head off. You can't
Speaker 1: trust anyone else. Okay, well we've we've got a little
Speaker 1: off track here. But one fact that I do want
Speaker 1: to hit here before we move on, and I I
Speaker 1: played into it a little bit, but that is the
Speaker 1: whole everything in around the body, not of it is
Speaker 1: consumed by the fire. Well, that's not entirely true. He
Speaker 1: thinks some things got scorched at least, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the bodies that are in like easy chairs. So Mary
Speaker 1: and Henry Thomas, they were sitting in a chair. Chairs
Speaker 1: got burned. Those chairs got massively burned. They burned up.
Speaker 1: Now that again is the weird part is that you think, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm in an easy chair in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: it's full of cotton batting, like that thing should just
Speaker 1: go up like a Roman candle. But it didn't. A
Speaker 1: lot of it was melted and burned, but it didn't
Speaker 1: go up and start the whole house. So some things
Speaker 1: around the bodies will burn. Carpets or flooring that are
Speaker 1: underneath the remains will be scorched and to a degree burned.
Speaker 1: But again not everything just well, yeah, which is absurd
Speaker 1: at you know, four degrees. Yes, it seems like things
Speaker 1: should be catching because because we don't know that's that's
Speaker 1: what it takes to burn up a body. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if that these fires actually achieved that the intensity,
Speaker 1: I mean, the bodies were burned up, I would assume it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the deal though, if we are mostly made of water,
Speaker 1: and let's say you're sitting in your chair and your
Speaker 1: chair catches fire, all that heat rises, so you're already
Speaker 1: sitting on top of it. Of course you're already on
Speaker 1: fire yourself, but you's still got a fairly decent quantity
Speaker 1: of water in your body. So maybe a lot of
Speaker 1: that energy is absorbed by the water in your body,
Speaker 1: and it all just you know, burns. I think that's
Speaker 1: the I think what you're describing is much like a
Speaker 1: funeral pyre where they set the body on the logs
Speaker 1: and then that all consumes. And and you're talking some
Speaker 1: about your taking into the transfer of energy and evaporation,
Speaker 1: and we're going to actually address some of the heat
Speaker 1: question that Devon brought up and some of what you're
Speaker 1: talking about when we get into the theories which believe
Speaker 1: it or not, we're already at where there is because
Speaker 1: a lot of this story actually is in the theory section,
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Speaker 1: let's start with theory number one, which is a truly
Speaker 1: historical theory, and that is that the cause of spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion is alcohol. Is all of us cut fire.
Speaker 1: That's a very that's a very very good point. So
Speaker 1: here's here's the Here's the way the theory runs is that,
Speaker 1: according to the bygone eras, the idea was that you
Speaker 1: would drink too much and there would be a build
Speaker 1: up of presumably just the alcohol in your system and
Speaker 1: that would make you flammable. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the nine and early twentieth century actually bought into
Speaker 1: this so much so that it worked its way into literature. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's their stories by Dickens, Poe, Melville, even Twain that
Speaker 1: talk about characters that die by spontaneous human combustion, who
Speaker 1: were all alcoholics. I think they were just scared of themselves.
Speaker 1: Uh well, maybe Melville the Temperance movement got ahold of
Speaker 1: this idea and they would run with it big time. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him in the end because
Speaker 1: their movement didn't really long term last. So they worked
Speaker 1: out fine for a while. Yeah, they got for about
Speaker 1: ten years or so. Maybe it turned out that the
Speaker 1: instances of spontaneous human combustion didn't decline and that was
Speaker 1: actually the downfalling. Well, but then they would just blame
Speaker 1: it on the bathtub jin. Yeah, because bathtub jin was
Speaker 1: some flammable craps. Yeah. I would actually like to know
Speaker 1: that prohibition really actually reduced drinking at all in America.
Speaker 1: I think it it stopped casual drinking. I think the
Speaker 1: hardcore addicts still found a way to their detriment. They
Speaker 1: still found a way. People will still drank. It never stopped.
Speaker 1: That's why we now tax it and make a boatload
Speaker 1: of money on it through the government, because people like
Speaker 1: to drink. Tax it. It's just like you know, Mariland,
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, you wonder how fine we will
Speaker 1: tax the hell out of a show that Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So the idea though that drinking too much
Speaker 1: is gonna make you catch on fire seems a little
Speaker 1: absurd because I have been next to a lot of
Speaker 1: people in bars who I wish would catch fire, and
Speaker 1: they did not do so, present company excluded. Right, So
Speaker 1: I've actually seen a lot of drunk people drop like
Speaker 1: lip matches and cigarettes on themselves and they still don't
Speaker 1: go up. I have seen people still hard liquor on
Speaker 1: themselves while lighting a cigarette and not catch on fire.
Speaker 1: God loves fools and he is protecting them apparently. So
Speaker 1: this one, this one, obviously, I think we can just
Speaker 1: throw under the under the round because it's not there
Speaker 1: unless you know sunk cases, Like if you're drinking like
Speaker 1: you know, hundred eight proof, you know, flammable stuff, maybe
Speaker 1: that could be a contributing factor somehow. And most booze
Speaker 1: unless it's like at least like what hundred fifty proof
Speaker 1: or higher, it actually isn't flammable. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about some of that a little later
Speaker 1: on with Robert Bailey. He's the guy who was found
Speaker 1: in the abandoned building. Yeah, so we'll talk about this.
Speaker 1: This alcoholism will come into play with him, and we'll
Speaker 1: flesh that out a little bit more. But let's move
Speaker 1: to theories number two, three, four, and five, which are
Speaker 1: all lots and lots of fun. Number two being that
Speaker 1: the cause of spontaneous human combustion is all lightning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: while lightning, which is like, you know, the explanation for
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's
Speaker 1: one of the handful of go to explanations for things.
Speaker 1: And you know, the interesting thing about ball lightning, right
Speaker 1: is that it's kind of a weird unsolved mystery in
Speaker 1: and of itself. I've actually considered covering it, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's, well, we talked about squishy. It's a squishy theory.
Speaker 1: It's a squishy story because there's really nothing concrete. I
Speaker 1: will tell you right now for those of you who
Speaker 1: don't know. Per the Internet, the description of ball lightning
Speaker 1: is and I quote, a luminous spherical object that varies
Speaker 1: from p sized to several meters in diameter. Though usually
Speaker 1: associated with thunderstorms, this phenomenon lasts considerably longer than the
Speaker 1: split second flash of a lightning bolt. Many early reports
Speaker 1: claim that the ball eventually explodes, sometimes with fatal consequences,
Speaker 1: leaving behind the odor of sulfur unquote. So if you
Speaker 1: happen to see a little blowing ball hovering next to you,
Speaker 1: hit it with apply swater before it explodes, or run
Speaker 1: one of the two. Run. Yeah, I mean, we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, the problem with spontaneous for spontaneous hum combustion.
Speaker 1: When you bring in ball lightning, is ball lightning? Nobody's
Speaker 1: ever proved that it's a real thing concretely, like they've
Speaker 1: done it in the lab. People, Okay, in the outside world,
Speaker 1: people have said that they have observed ball lightning in nature.
Speaker 1: There's always these claims, but they're unsubstantiated. And then guys
Speaker 1: in the you know, scientists in the lab have tried
Speaker 1: to recreate it, and they have managed to do it.
Speaker 1: But it is momentary, like fractions of a second. It
Speaker 1: is only visible through certain spectrums with special cameras. Like
Speaker 1: it's not it's not as if they can say, look,
Speaker 1: we made the ball go across the room. It is,
Speaker 1: it's here's gone, it's it's milliseconds kind of thing. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what electricity does because it moves that speed light
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But the hard part is is
Speaker 1: that we we can't even say that it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: So how can you say that that's the cause of
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion. We can't say it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: We just can't say that it is a real, spontaneously
Speaker 1: naturally occurring thing. I really agree with that. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. I will absolutely agree with that. You're going
Speaker 1: to rule that one out. I personally do not believe
Speaker 1: that it is the cause of this, but nobody has
Speaker 1: to rule it out if they want to hang onto
Speaker 1: it as a preferred theory. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you put it in my pocket. There you go with
Speaker 1: your other marbles. Let's move into the next theory, which
Speaker 1: is static electricity and or geomagnetic forces. So this theory
Speaker 1: is the real reason that at parties you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: cute and take a balloon and rub it on your
Speaker 1: head to make your hair stand especially if you've been drinking,
Speaker 1: because you may burst into flames. So also don't go
Speaker 1: to the after and that will not make the little
Speaker 1: children love you. They do the Edison ball or whatever.
Speaker 1: You put your hands on it and the static electricity
Speaker 1: makes all your hair stand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: start that rival real because those guys are still fighting
Speaker 1: in this day. I got to tell you guys that
Speaker 1: about dr Mega bolt sometimes. Yeah. So basically what this
Speaker 1: theory is is it's it's it's much like ball lightning
Speaker 1: in that it's saying that for the static electricity side,
Speaker 1: it saying that you've built up enough static charge on
Speaker 1: your body that in some way it arcs and that
Speaker 1: catches you on fire. The geomagnetic forces part, I've never
Speaker 1: really seen other than the words geomagnetic forces, I've never
Speaker 1: seen a good description of it. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with their clue there should be it's
Speaker 1: just something that people call geometic geomatic forces. Not even
Speaker 1: they can't even specify what right if the clue is,
Speaker 1: it's like it's forces, and I don't know if nature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the force is strong and this one it's zapp you're
Speaker 1: on fire. Yeah, the idea, yeah, I know, the aesthetical
Speaker 1: electricity I get. I mean that could that could hypothetical
Speaker 1: geomagnetic forces and magnetism really yeah, I don't understand. And
Speaker 1: and listen, I should have suffered. I should have been
Speaker 1: killed by spontaneous human combustion. If static electricity is the
Speaker 1: cause because I am the person who is always reaching
Speaker 1: for something and getting shocked to the point that the
Speaker 1: snap of the arc jumping from whatever thing I'm grabbing
Speaker 1: is loud enough people around me turn and look like
Speaker 1: I get shocked all the time, and I do. But
Speaker 1: you know, but it could be it's it's not just
Speaker 1: aesthetical interest. Do you have to have to be other factors?
Speaker 1: President also some chemical composition in your body. It could
Speaker 1: also be that because you are releasing your static electricity,
Speaker 1: you're not going to burn up. It's people who like
Speaker 1: retain that. The people that you're zapping there, they're the
Speaker 1: ones who catch fire and burn up. Do you do
Speaker 1: you stay long enough to see if they catch fire? No?
Speaker 1: Dr Xavier taught me not to stay around after after,
Speaker 1: so I just I always leave. I've got my little
Speaker 1: blue friend, he teleports me away. It's all. It's all okay.
Speaker 1: Magnetic courses. So that's especially week. I think, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's okay, So let's move forward. Keytoast is our next theory.
Speaker 1: The look on devon space right now. I kind of
Speaker 1: like this one better than the ones we've had so far,
Speaker 1: where they get better as they go I stacked at
Speaker 1: the deck on purpose. Keytoast is is a theory that
Speaker 1: is proposed by a man named Brian J. Ford as
Speaker 1: the cause of spontaneous human combustion, and he says that
Speaker 1: it's because of this chemical process in the body keytoast
Speaker 1: is that these people are catching on fire, which totally
Speaker 1: a real thing. So if you don't know, keytoasts is
Speaker 1: a process by which the body metabolizes it and burns
Speaker 1: fats in the body to make energy instead of burning
Speaker 1: glucose to make energy. Because you have two ways. There's
Speaker 1: basically is it aerobic and anaerobic? Those are the two. No,
Speaker 1: it's not an aerobic and anaeroa, but there's the two
Speaker 1: different methods and they both make energy. Which is you know,
Speaker 1: when people are fasting or their dieting, they aren't taking
Speaker 1: in as milly many calories, but they're still able to function.
Speaker 1: They're getting that energy and it's because their body is
Speaker 1: converting fats into energy through ketosis. To clarify, for your
Speaker 1: body to actually survive on ketosis, you have to be
Speaker 1: eating like no carbs. You have to be taking no carbs.
Speaker 1: And I only know that because I've done that well
Speaker 1: and That's why I say fasting more so, probably more
Speaker 1: so than it depends on the diet. There are diets
Speaker 1: that are you know, but it's actually very popular right
Speaker 1: now because you just eat eggs and bacon all the time,
Speaker 1: and I do, and I am the bottle of health. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean it does change the chemical
Speaker 1: makeup of your body, at least temporarily. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: a normal, normal process. The body does it naturally. It's
Speaker 1: it's how evolutionarily speaking, it's how you got through times
Speaker 1: of famine when there wasn't all of the things around
Speaker 1: to just happily munch on, and you had to go
Speaker 1: for days or weeks on end before you had another meal.
Speaker 1: That's how you survived. And that's how a lot of
Speaker 1: creatures survive. The thing about this, though, is what Ford
Speaker 1: focuses in on, is that because of this process, the
Speaker 1: body creates and then in a way uses aceto acetate
Speaker 1: and aceto ascetic acids. I can't believe I got those right, Uh.
Speaker 1: And those contain the very unstable compounds which your methyl
Speaker 1: and ethyl compounds, so methylene and ethylene, which are both
Speaker 1: things that are very very flammable when they're in high
Speaker 1: concentrations can be We have to be really careful here
Speaker 1: because this is a you know kind of conversation that
Speaker 1: people have a lot where they're just like, well, it has,
Speaker 1: you know, monoxide it so it's automatically awful for you.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, there are actually tons of kinds
Speaker 1: of monoxide that are fine for you, just becauseide not
Speaker 1: so much. The other oneside is that yes, I I
Speaker 1: will tell you everybody who's ever consumed that has died,
Speaker 1: so you know, actually you can you know, actually a
Speaker 1: bat tupple that can kill an entire village of people.
Speaker 1: That's true, yeah, talking, but that's exactly you know, I
Speaker 1: just want to be careful as we're talking. It's not apherently.
Speaker 1: The body produces this stuff in very, very mind nute
Speaker 1: fractions of the fractions of a fractional amount. So it's
Speaker 1: not as if you are just all the water and
Speaker 1: your body has now been replaced by this potentially explosive compound.
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. But according to Ford,
Speaker 1: he says that if you have the right to build
Speaker 1: up of these compounds in your body, do to ketosis,
Speaker 1: you'll start expelling gases, these methyl ethyl gases out of
Speaker 1: your mouth primarily is where he says, and maybe out
Speaker 1: of your skin. I wasn't too clear on that part.
Speaker 1: And then if you come into contact with some kind
Speaker 1: of spark, say you're a smoker or you're round of flame,
Speaker 1: then your your breath may catch on fire or your
Speaker 1: skin where you're you're exuding is the word I want
Speaker 1: to use, But yes, and what's coming out of your pores,
Speaker 1: then that might be the admission point. There are a
Speaker 1: ton of people who don't do ketosis as like a
Speaker 1: standard diet these days, like like tons of them. It's
Speaker 1: very popular right now. Lots of them also smoke. I
Speaker 1: know they're not just poofing up into flames, but so
Speaker 1: it might be a combination of factors, like it's like
Speaker 1: an airplane crash. It's not one thing very true. Well
Speaker 1: I would, so I personally will put the stamp of
Speaker 1: pseudoscience all over Mr Ford and ketosis. Okay, Well no,
Speaker 1: unless unless somebody can document in the lab that there
Speaker 1: are certain people, because you know, everybody is a little different,
Speaker 1: there might be some people out there that you know,
Speaker 1: they go into the state that that particular state and
Speaker 1: they crack out tons of these chemicals I mean I
Speaker 1: kind of doubt it, but it's possible. I mean, some people,
Speaker 1: uh wear silver and it tarnishes in a day, and
Speaker 1: some people wear it for a year and it's fine.
Speaker 1: And that's all just the way your chemical compounds of
Speaker 1: your body react to things. So Okay, I still discredit it,
Speaker 1: but we'll give it the slightly less discredited grade than
Speaker 1: I originally gave it. We'll move on now to our
Speaker 1: next area. I believe this is one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1: This is number five, which is the sub atomic particle pyroton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't it sound like a really crappy super o, the
Speaker 1: world's tiniest super here a supervillain. Probably it's there's a
Speaker 1: there's So everybody's now confused because we've just made up
Speaker 1: the superhero. It's not actually a superhero supervillain. Instead, it
Speaker 1: is all the creation of a man named Larry Arnold.
Speaker 1: And Larry Arnold wrote a book called Ablaze, which was
Speaker 1: this book all about spontaneous human combustion and all these stories.
Speaker 1: And in that book he posited the theory that there
Speaker 1: must be some subatomical particle that was flammable in certain
Speaker 1: people and that was what was causing them to catch
Speaker 1: on fire. And that is as much description as you
Speaker 1: will ever find on the interest about this. I didn't
Speaker 1: buy his book. I couldn't find it in the library.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that that's the most that there is
Speaker 1: about pyrotox. Best. It's a theoretical sub atomic particles of
Speaker 1: probably just actually fictional. Yeah, although yeah, some of them
Speaker 1: are kind of fictional so far, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of hypothetical ones. They're still trying to actually find evidence
Speaker 1: of that, you know. But actually, some subatomic particles do
Speaker 1: pass through our bodies all the time, so I could
Speaker 1: imagine that some special little particle came along and some
Speaker 1: special set of circumstances I don't know, And it's a
Speaker 1: little subatomical particle with the dark goggles on and the
Speaker 1: red span X with the flame pattern on it, zooming
Speaker 1: through going yea that yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, so, but something I've been watching a
Speaker 1: lot of Marvel movies lately, so that's that's where I
Speaker 1: kind of gave up in the Marble universe. It's gotten
Speaker 1: too complicated. There's too many, too many superheroes out there anymore. Boy,
Speaker 1: do I have a movie for you. Really, that's stupidly
Speaker 1: complex and complex. But at a certain point you got
Speaker 1: to like dial back the number of characters that having
Speaker 1: been said, shall we move into some things that actually
Speaker 1: seem to be more substantial. Okay, so we've had our fun,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the real stuff. Okay, So let's see
Speaker 1: the next thing on the list is flamethrower. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that one. You penciled that in on your version
Speaker 1: of the script. It's actually not on mine, nor I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Devon's it's not there either, So nice try.
Speaker 1: My handwriting is so perfect. Yeah, yeah, it really does
Speaker 1: in crayon. So the theory is that these people are
Speaker 1: catching fire, not through spontaneous human combustion, but through external
Speaker 1: heat sources like say smook. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: seem to be according to the science. They don't seem
Speaker 1: to be catching on fire on their own. But it's
Speaker 1: more like I said, it's it's the cigarette, or sometimes
Speaker 1: it's a fireplace or a match or a lighter or
Speaker 1: some other flame that is causing them to burn up.
Speaker 1: Especially back in the old days, a lot of people
Speaker 1: still had like gas lighting in their homes and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, would eaters everybody smoked everywhere. I mean there's
Speaker 1: the world was just one giant pot of flammable materials.
Speaker 1: There was very little fire retardant in anything. And consistent
Speaker 1: factors to to take into consideration in this theory is
Speaker 1: the people and their states. A lot of the people
Speaker 1: who are consumed or killed in cases of spontaneous human
Speaker 1: combustion tend to be and that's not always, but they
Speaker 1: tend to be elderly, and they also tend to have
Speaker 1: some kind of impairment to their mobility, and that could
Speaker 1: be due to their age or metal could conditions, or obesity,
Speaker 1: or because they're using lots and lots of booze or medication.
Speaker 1: Those things that are are basically knocking them out or
Speaker 1: impairing their ability to get away from a fire. Basically,
Speaker 1: what we're saying is that somebody sets themselves on fire,
Speaker 1: normal human under normal conditions wakes up, goes, oh, crap
Speaker 1: a fire, and put it out to sleep. But in
Speaker 1: this theory, the theory is that for whatever reason, they're
Speaker 1: unable to put that fire out and just explain the
Speaker 1: false correlation between booze and spontaneous conduction. And that's where
Speaker 1: we're going, because we told you. We told you in
Speaker 1: the initial section about four individuals. We're not going to
Speaker 1: revisit their cases because it turns out they fall under
Speaker 1: this theory, most of them pretty well. Because it turns
Speaker 1: out Steve was withholding information Ala the FBI and I
Speaker 1: are always withholding information. And by the way, I don't
Speaker 1: send me to the email. I just realized I did.
Speaker 1: I did use correlation incorrectly. I meant to say false causation.
Speaker 1: They're gonna light you on fire for this is like
Speaker 1: something let's tell people you know, correlation does not equal causation. Kids, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So let's start with Mary. That was our first case. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out that the reports and and some evidence
Speaker 1: of her situation when she was found in her home
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg, Florida. It was sent to the FBI
Speaker 1: and they figured out that Mary had taken sleeping pills
Speaker 1: that the night before, which was something she had been
Speaker 1: known to do regularly, like nightly she took sleeping pills.
Speaker 1: There are some people and they were pretty sure that
Speaker 1: what she had done, she had taken a sleeping pills,
Speaker 1: sitting in her chair, was having a cigarette, fell asleep
Speaker 1: and that cigarette then caught her body on fire and
Speaker 1: she burned up. Now I will throw out there because
Speaker 1: I love this and we're in the theory section is
Speaker 1: there is one alternate theory for what happened to Mary Reeser,
Speaker 1: which is it's the super villain theory, which is that
Speaker 1: a guy named Professor Krogman of the University of Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: said that this whole thing with Mary was actually a murder. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me finish a devon before this one. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get the trots on it, I know, but they said,
Speaker 1: he says that someone murdered her. They then took her
Speaker 1: body out of her apartment, incinerated it at a crematorium,
Speaker 1: brought to the remains back to her apartment, put them
Speaker 1: where they were found for someone to then find her,
Speaker 1: and then to really sell the story, they somehow heated
Speaker 1: the door knob of her apartment so that when the
Speaker 1: landlady came by, she go ouch, that's weird, it's hot,
Speaker 1: and would call the cops and they would find her remains.
Speaker 1: You sound like you don't believe this so well, So
Speaker 1: there's how far fetched. Piraton was the bad guy, the supervillain.
Speaker 1: This is about five orders of magnitude beyond that to
Speaker 1: me as an even more improbable Well, it's like the
Speaker 1: stupidest way to get rid of a body I could
Speaker 1: think of it. It's like, well, you're not really getting
Speaker 1: rid of it, but you know you you take the
Speaker 1: trouble of removing the body incinerating and why bring it
Speaker 1: all the way back to the crime scene if they
Speaker 1: didn't incinerate it all the way the leg the slipper, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it, that didn't fit in the incinerator
Speaker 1: and he was like, damn it, just let it burn off.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. It's just
Speaker 1: and there's like no reason to even come up with
Speaker 1: a theory like this. Flaming down the complicated. I don't understands.
Speaker 1: It does bottle the mind that some murderer would do
Speaker 1: something like this. It makes no sense to me. It
Speaker 1: makes no sense. So that's why I put it in
Speaker 1: here because it's a fun little bit. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you a murder back to murder one on one.
Speaker 1: Don't do anything when you kill somebody, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to cover it up, make it look like not murder.
Speaker 1: Don't do anything to attract a lot of undo attention
Speaker 1: to the case. Like a body spontaneously just catching fire
Speaker 1: all by itself. That gets a lot of people really
Speaker 1: interested in looking into it. You don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: You don't want to draw attention to your Yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 1: My final problem with this is if you've got the body,
Speaker 1: you've got it cremated, just let her disappear. Well, you
Speaker 1: really do feel like you need to bring some kind
Speaker 1: of mystery to it. It's real easy for the mystery
Speaker 1: to be she just disappears. This is much like Joe
Speaker 1: brings up this theory of well, they wanted to leave
Speaker 1: a mystery for the ages, so he did this. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things you always go too. And I
Speaker 1: feel like this is just so far and beyond. Honestly,
Speaker 1: we should leave it behind. It's fun, but it's just
Speaker 1: so Cuckooville. Let's talk about John Bentley. He was victim
Speaker 1: number two that we talked about. The investigators figured out
Speaker 1: that probably what happened to Mr Bentley was that, as
Speaker 1: we said before, he was known to smoke pipe and
Speaker 1: he was wearing a robe, and they believe that what
Speaker 1: he had he did is he inadvertently spilled hot ashes
Speaker 1: from his pipe onto his bathrobe and lit it on fire,
Speaker 1: at which point he ran to the bathroom to get
Speaker 1: a pitcher of water to put himself out. By the way,
Speaker 1: we're with him here. When your clothes are on fire,
Speaker 1: you don't want to run, especially don't want to keep
Speaker 1: wearing them. That's a bathroom. That's that's that's the weird
Speaker 1: thing here. But but they say that he must have
Speaker 1: done this based on broken remains of what is believed
Speaker 1: to be a water pitcher in the bathroom, along with
Speaker 1: the fact that there were remnants of his robe which
Speaker 1: were burned we're you know, still smoldering in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and they were next to the hole where the body
Speaker 1: had burned into the floor. And he was known to
Speaker 1: you know, walk around in his robe, and he apparently
Speaker 1: always had a box or a book of matches in
Speaker 1: his pocket, which pipe smokers. If you don't know this,
Speaker 1: smoking a pipe requires wooden matches because you have to
Speaker 1: watch a lot of drawing on a pipe like that
Speaker 1: to get the tobacco actually cooking correctly or stovepiping correctly
Speaker 1: is not the technical term. But you can't use paper matches,
Speaker 1: but you could use a lighter or a toke, correct,
Speaker 1: But I believe that in this day, at age in
Speaker 1: the sixties, when he it would just be to use matches.
Speaker 1: My grandfather used to smoke a pipe, so this is
Speaker 1: how I know this. I used to watch my great
Speaker 1: grandfather do this all the time. But it takes a while.
Speaker 1: So he's got this box of matches in his pocket,
Speaker 1: and they think that what happened is that the fire
Speaker 1: hit that cardboard box of matches, which are magnesium tipped,
Speaker 1: and so they just went all of them and that
Speaker 1: probably ignited the whole thing. My guess is at that point,
Speaker 1: when he's in the bathroom, he falls in his effort
Speaker 1: to you know, put himself out, as Joe said, take
Speaker 1: the damn robe off. But instead he's trying to put
Speaker 1: himself out. He probably fell. He probably hit his head
Speaker 1: and knocked himself unconscious and would never wake up due
Speaker 1: to the fact that his body would then be consumed
Speaker 1: by a fire. It's just, um, I'm kind of say
Speaker 1: this guy was just what a walking disaster zone. I mean,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, I mean he first he
Speaker 1: lights himself on fire, then then he falls and you know,
Speaker 1: it hits his head and knocks himself out, and god,
Speaker 1: it is it is just it really is just a
Speaker 1: series of unfortunate events. Yeah, it's really what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing that it goes in that sequence. Let's
Speaker 1: move to Robert Bailey. He is the homeless man that
Speaker 1: was found in the building biting the newel post. So
Speaker 1: no external means of ignition were found on his body,
Speaker 1: meaning he wasn't a smoker, but he was known to
Speaker 1: be an alcoholic. And I feel so bad for this
Speaker 1: guy because, oh my god, was he on rock bottom
Speaker 1: because he was not Daniels right. No, he was drinking
Speaker 1: denuded alcohol. Denuded, yes, d natured alcohol, which is the
Speaker 1: stuff that they used to to you know, yes, I
Speaker 1: mean it's stuff he used to clean like goo off
Speaker 1: of the wall. Is that like, isn't that like wood
Speaker 1: alcohol or something? Is that? Like it's one step above
Speaker 1: um rubbing alcohol, rubbing alcohol? Thank you? Like this, This
Speaker 1: poor guy was so far down the well that he
Speaker 1: was drinking poison to to get his fix. And if
Speaker 1: he is drinking that stuff, it is doing bad things
Speaker 1: to his body. And he is probably more than drunk.
Speaker 1: He's probably a little high from it. And one thing
Speaker 1: that if you've ever seen a sloppy drunk. Sloppy drunks
Speaker 1: tend to wear what they're drinking because they missed themselves
Speaker 1: and they dribble it all over. So he's he's now covered,
Speaker 1: He's probably got a good coating of flammable material there,
Speaker 1: flammable liquids on himself, perfectly tee it up and ready
Speaker 1: to be a human torch. So at that point, then
Speaker 1: at all it takes is somebody else smoking a cigarette,
Speaker 1: flicking an ash at him, or him trying to light
Speaker 1: a fire and creating a sparker god knows what, and
Speaker 1: then this poor soul turns into the human torch. So
Speaker 1: with him, it seems to be that, yeah, he is.
Speaker 1: He kind of is the the end. He is the
Speaker 1: alcohol theory. Yeah, he really is. That that's what the
Speaker 1: alcohol theory is saying is going to happen. But it's
Speaker 1: just that it's a series of factors. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's one of the one thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, you're too inebriated that everyone when you're so drunk,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do something stupid and let yourself up fire
Speaker 1: number two, you're so drunk you don't know it, you're
Speaker 1: not you don't know what, or you just can't really
Speaker 1: react to it. Yeah, you're in the number three. You've
Speaker 1: got booze probably all over your your clothing and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, or at least the alcohol. Yeah this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the I mean, I feel bad for all these
Speaker 1: people because people who experienced spontaneous human combustion die, they
Speaker 1: die from it. But this poor guy, he's from the
Speaker 1: description of his story was so far down. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was having a really hard time. Yeah, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of harsh. So let's move away from Robert Bailey. Let's
Speaker 1: do have to say fire or no fire. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was long for this earth. If he was, no,
Speaker 1: you're drinking that stuff? Would I would not disagree with that.
Speaker 1: We'll go to a victor, remember four, which is Henry Thomas.
Speaker 1: Mr Thomas. There was evidence of a fire in the
Speaker 1: fireplace in his house and they said that, so there's
Speaker 1: a non spontaneous human combustion theory, which was that he
Speaker 1: got up and stoked the fire and then got a
Speaker 1: spark of the fire in his hair, sat down, and
Speaker 1: then calmly sat there while he burned up, which is
Speaker 1: just stupid, because if he is able to move, nobody
Speaker 1: lets their head just burned like that flaming thing in
Speaker 1: your hair. Yeah, and and and an actual crime scene investigator,
Speaker 1: it's like, there's there's absolutely no way that he would
Speaker 1: just sit there and let that happen if he was
Speaker 1: capable of doing something about it. So they think that
Speaker 1: probably if he did indeed get some spark on his body,
Speaker 1: he from the fire, the reason that he didn't then
Speaker 1: put himself out is he may have actually already been dead.
Speaker 1: He may have actually died from a heart attack, either
Speaker 1: through shock or pain or just naturally. It just, you know, again,
Speaker 1: the perfect series of events. He's went and stirred the fire,
Speaker 1: looked at was saying, hell, I got a spark on
Speaker 1: myself and then had a heart attack and died. And
Speaker 1: therefore then it was he was a perfect candidate for
Speaker 1: that fire to spread. That's that there's a lot that
Speaker 1: one was the flu open in his fireplace. I could
Speaker 1: he have accidentally poisoned himself like carbon monoxide poisoning. I
Speaker 1: don't know that, to be honest with you, Devin. I
Speaker 1: So here's the hard part is that when you do
Speaker 1: look at the pictures of this. The Internet loves to
Speaker 1: have photos of spontaneous human combustion. With the Internet does
Speaker 1: not like to do is say which case it is.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of cases of people burned
Speaker 1: up on floors or in chairs near fireplaces with no
Speaker 1: description of who is who. Yeah, and so I saw
Speaker 1: a bunch of that. I was like, oh, that that
Speaker 1: could be Oh no, was that could be? Oh no?
Speaker 1: Which is why Yeah, Mr Bailey like, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I found the photo of him, but I'm not positive. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: actually there's Mary research photos are always documented pretty well
Speaker 1: because she's one of the first one that was photographed,
Speaker 1: and I think that's might be why she's so popular.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if the flu was was closed anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so we're gonna so the next theory is
Speaker 1: actually kind of a combination of the last theory, and
Speaker 1: this is, well, this is the how does it work? That?
Speaker 1: How do it work? This? And this is the wig
Speaker 1: effect because everybody seems to be catching fire from these
Speaker 1: external sources. So again, as we talked about multiple times, now,
Speaker 1: why isn't the entire room around them burning up with them?
Speaker 1: And scientists believe that the reason is is that there's
Speaker 1: this thing called the wick effect coming into play. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna talk about a candle. So you
Speaker 1: have a candle, a wax candle, and you light the
Speaker 1: wick on fire, and the heat melts the wax at
Speaker 1: the top of the candle, and that wax kind of
Speaker 1: flows up the wick, and that is mostly what's burning.
Speaker 1: The wick itself is not on fire. It's that fatty
Speaker 1: material ak a wax, that is allowing the flame to
Speaker 1: be sustained. It's the same thing as I always used
Speaker 1: to I never understood this as a kid. You'd see
Speaker 1: the movies where people would like they'd have torches and
Speaker 1: they'd go into the jungle cave, and I'd be like, wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: the torches burned so long. And then I would get
Speaker 1: a stick and a couple of rags and I would
Speaker 1: light it on fire and it would go woof, and
Speaker 1: the fire would be gone. It would last just long
Speaker 1: enough to set the house on fire. Of course, in
Speaker 1: the movies, what they don't show you is where they
Speaker 1: put them in some kind of substance that you know,
Speaker 1: gasoline or diesel or whatever, so that those fumes or
Speaker 1: what are burning and not the actual material that right,
Speaker 1: But the candles are kind of the same. Thing is
Speaker 1: that the waxes flowing up the wick it is then burning.
Speaker 1: The wick itself is not. It does burn, you are correct,
Speaker 1: it is eventually the wick itself is eventually consumed. And
Speaker 1: when the candle gets down to the very very bottom
Speaker 1: and all of that wax is burned up, the wick
Speaker 1: itself does is completely consumed, and then the fire goes
Speaker 1: out because it's got no more fuel because it's on
Speaker 1: a metal basin. That's why your house doesn't burn up.
Speaker 1: But then again, we don't use candles to light our house,
Speaker 1: thank god, thank goodness, I'm not here anyway. But theoretically,
Speaker 1: the same thing happens when the human body catches fire
Speaker 1: because of a spark. So your clothing typically is made
Speaker 1: from cotton fibers as well as other fibers, which can
Speaker 1: be flammable, and a lot of things these days are not.
Speaker 1: But if we look back in history, that was not
Speaker 1: so much the case. Pure cotton all the way, baby,
Speaker 1: it's the best stuff for burning. And what would happen
Speaker 1: is that there would be a spark, the cotton fabric
Speaker 1: would start to burn and be not an open flame
Speaker 1: but more of an ember kind of scenario where it's
Speaker 1: just slowly burning. That would burn the skin, that would
Speaker 1: split the skin, allowing the subcutaneous layer of fat that
Speaker 1: we all have underneath our skin to be exposed to
Speaker 1: the heat and it starts melting, and that creates the
Speaker 1: same wick effect, where that fatty, that fat that has
Speaker 1: been turned into a liquid form, is now flowing up
Speaker 1: into the fabric, and that's sustaining the flame, right, And
Speaker 1: it's sustaining the flames. So the fats are burning, not
Speaker 1: so much the fabric, and as the flame deepens and grows,
Speaker 1: it's absorbing more and more and more of those fats. Now,
Speaker 1: the muscles in your body have much less fat, but
Speaker 1: they do have fats and acids in them, and those
Speaker 1: things are flammable. And there's also the fact that, well,
Speaker 1: your body is made up, as we talked about before,
Speaker 1: a lot of water. But if this flame is going on,
Speaker 1: and this takes hours and hours and hours to happen,
Speaker 1: what's happening is that the fats are waking away, and
Speaker 1: in the heat of this fire, the moisture that is
Speaker 1: left behind is able to evaporate. It's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons that a lot of these scenes have this this
Speaker 1: gross sooty spell because all, yeah, it's all this this
Speaker 1: literally human condensation on the walls and the ceilings because
Speaker 1: it's evaporated out of the body. This it is grows
Speaker 1: and this theory every time I read it until I
Speaker 1: found this one study, I thought that's utter crap. Then
Speaker 1: you watched the thing. Volunteers the study, well they they
Speaker 1: were they were brought in by the truck clothes not really.
Speaker 1: So here's what the deal is. There is a British show,
Speaker 1: a BBC has a show, or used to have a show.
Speaker 1: I think it might actually be back again, but it's
Speaker 1: q e ed and they would look into all these
Speaker 1: questions and stuff and they set up an experiment where
Speaker 1: they took up the body of a pig and they
Speaker 1: wrapped into a blanket and then they lit it on fire. Yes,
Speaker 1: the pig was dead, and they used a pig because
Speaker 1: pigs are great stand ins for humans because we're built
Speaker 1: the same, and it turns out people act like them
Speaker 1: a lot. So it's a one to one exchange for science.
Speaker 1: And the research and the reading that I've done says
Speaker 1: that it wasn't easy to start the flame. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it took a multiple tries to get it, and
Speaker 1: they had the pig with a blanket on and in
Speaker 1: a mocked room, you know, with a TV and a
Speaker 1: bed and all these things, and it took multiple tries.
Speaker 1: But once they got the pig going, it then sustained
Speaker 1: a fire for about five hours and it consumed most
Speaker 1: of the pig. So this seems to support that this
Speaker 1: is possible. Now, there's all kinds of people out there
Speaker 1: that poo poo this, and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: issues with q e d S methods, and they were
Speaker 1: by no means a scientific study, but it does show
Speaker 1: that if done correctly and under the right circumstances, it
Speaker 1: could happen. It totally could happen. You just gotta get
Speaker 1: your subject to lay there catching fire for a long
Speaker 1: enough period of time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Now they're
Speaker 1: the whole host of people out there who have done
Speaker 1: alternate studies trying to say because remember, like Mary and
Speaker 1: Henry were both sitting in chairs, and those chairs were
Speaker 1: partially consumed and not just like the outside of the
Speaker 1: chairs were consumed, but but big hunks of the chairs
Speaker 1: were burned up while big hunks were left behind. Well,
Speaker 1: some other researchers have tried to replicate that by putting
Speaker 1: something on the chair and lighting in on fire, making
Speaker 1: small control sustained fires. And it's what they've say, they're
Speaker 1: evidence shows is that it's very hard to do anything
Speaker 1: in a small flame situation like that other than to
Speaker 1: just burn the outer coating to to char it and
Speaker 1: not just to catch the thing on fire and have
Speaker 1: these great sagging holes of material that appear to be
Speaker 1: left in cases of spontaneous human combustion. So there is
Speaker 1: this contrary side of research. It's like, yo, dude, that
Speaker 1: we we tried the other side of your sprayerman and
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to hold. I think the trick with
Speaker 1: that is um because the pig one did have the
Speaker 1: chair did get consumed in a similar fashion part of
Speaker 1: the bed, yes, or part of this they didn't sit
Speaker 1: up give the cigar. And so for me, part of
Speaker 1: it is the fat. I mean, you know that is
Speaker 1: the liquefying out of your body. Because you're burning, it's
Speaker 1: also going to run places and then that will make
Speaker 1: that material that much more flammable and it will pool
Speaker 1: in certain areas which will then go up on fire,
Speaker 1: and then that other one kind of comes into effect
Speaker 1: where they're like, but it's hard. If there's not that accelerant,
Speaker 1: it's hard for the chair to catch on fire. So
Speaker 1: it just goes out. Yeah, you you're you're basically creating
Speaker 1: a you've looked into We've all had those big candles
Speaker 1: in our house, you know, with the where they create
Speaker 1: that inch or so wide diameter a spot of hot
Speaker 1: wax in the middle. And if you think about it,
Speaker 1: if a human body is burning, the same thing is
Speaker 1: gonna happen. There's gonna be that hot well. And eventually,
Speaker 1: if the wick were to last long enough, the wax
Speaker 1: on the outside of that well would start to melt
Speaker 1: in and then wit and then run up the wick
Speaker 1: and continue. Doesn't always happen, but you know, I've had
Speaker 1: candles that had a two inch deep well and then
Speaker 1: suddenly they just start. The wax on the edges starts
Speaker 1: just flooding in and it burns forever. It depending on
Speaker 1: the consistency of the wax and the type of wax.
Speaker 1: Most candles we get today are meant to not completely
Speaker 1: be consumed, but it does happen. Uh. Now, there is
Speaker 1: other questions here. If this is the case there are
Speaker 1: general questions about spontaneous human combustion, and these are kind
Speaker 1: of outside of the wick theory, but they're they're there
Speaker 1: with it, so I include them here. Which is the bones.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before, that people who are put
Speaker 1: into you know, cremation oven, their bones don't completely disintegrate.
Speaker 1: Yet these people who suffer spontaneous human combustion, it appears
Speaker 1: that most of their bones are almost completely destroyed by
Speaker 1: the fire. The stuff I've said, I've read, and the
Speaker 1: stuff I've been thinking about it seems like there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different reasons for that. One. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the heat of the flame, but more so the duration.
Speaker 1: So a cremation takes around three hours, and these fires
Speaker 1: tend to seem to go for about six to eight,
Speaker 1: so it's under sustained heat for a longer time frame.
Speaker 1: Of course, that heat is going to do a better
Speaker 1: job of melting things like the bone marrow and having
Speaker 1: it wick out, which then leaves a hollow, brittle structure
Speaker 1: that can then be broken down. There is also a
Speaker 1: lot of research that says not only are the suffer
Speaker 1: the people who are going to experience what appears to
Speaker 1: be spontaneous human combustion elderly, but a lot of them
Speaker 1: appear to be women. And in these cases of women,
Speaker 1: what they've done is they've studied the bones of women,
Speaker 1: and they have figured out that osteoporosis is an issue.
Speaker 1: We all know this for ladies. This is a problem
Speaker 1: in later life if you're not careful about it. And
Speaker 1: the bones of women who suffer from osteoporosis put under
Speaker 1: fire become much more brittle, and they break down much
Speaker 1: more easily than someone who is not who hasn't lived
Speaker 1: with that and so and and now we kicked this
Speaker 1: back to twenty plus year, twenty years back when there
Speaker 1: was no research to say you need to do this
Speaker 1: to prevent it. A lot of ladies experience that, which
Speaker 1: means they all were then much more susceptible to not
Speaker 1: evely the dangers of broken bones. But if they had
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion, their bones were gonna just disintegrate under fire.
Speaker 1: Of course, by the time that happens, you're you know,
Speaker 1: all burned up anyway, So what do you care? Right,
Speaker 1: But it explains why the bones aren't just sitting around.
Speaker 1: Why is there not just femurs and shoulder but or
Speaker 1: not femers, but shoulder bones and spines and ramps and
Speaker 1: all that. Like, you know, why aren't they just the
Speaker 1: game of operation with ash around it. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: really where that's going. Yeah, yeah, so there you go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well then there's other things. There's other questions here that
Speaker 1: people are asking, which is things like why is it
Speaker 1: that the lower legs and the extremities the hands and
Speaker 1: part of the forearms are left behind? Well, that is
Speaker 1: one one good point is that there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of fat in those parts of the body. Uh, there's this.
Speaker 1: This also cracks me up, is that the other explanation
Speaker 1: that I get on the Internet is there's this thing
Speaker 1: called temperature gradient for the body parts. And really, what
Speaker 1: I think this is supposed to boil down too, is
Speaker 1: heat to surface area. There's less surface area on your
Speaker 1: hand and your your wrist, then there is, say to
Speaker 1: your abdomen, because it's a much bigger area, so it
Speaker 1: can retain heat, it can cook longer, you can burn more.
Speaker 1: But according to the Internet, at least in one place
Speaker 1: I found, which is freaking awesome, says oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's because those body parts in that temperature gradient. They're
Speaker 1: burning in the wrong direction, because according to the Internet,
Speaker 1: if you light a match and you turn it upside
Speaker 1: down so flame, you know, the flamy bit is pointed down,
Speaker 1: it will go out. I have I have burned myself
Speaker 1: way too many times din get around with matches to
Speaker 1: believe that. So I think the temperature gradient part is
Speaker 1: literally less fat less surface area, and not they're pointing
Speaker 1: the wrong way. Well especially, it usually seems to be
Speaker 1: legs or a leg at least to survive, and those
Speaker 1: tend to be lower down, and of course the heat
Speaker 1: all rises, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise. I
Speaker 1: suppose that's a leg or two might survive. And you
Speaker 1: know a lot of times the reason that hands don't
Speaker 1: survive you got them in your lap. Maybe well you've
Speaker 1: got them in your lap or on your chest or
Speaker 1: on your abdomen in some way, shape or form, and
Speaker 1: so they're on top of that larger heat source and
Speaker 1: so they are then consumed. So okay, So my my
Speaker 1: general takeaway, and I don't and YouTube can tell me
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. My general take away from this
Speaker 1: is that I don't think that people just randomly ignite.
Speaker 1: I do think that they are in some way incapacitated.
Speaker 1: And it to me the external source of fire is
Speaker 1: something like a furnace or a fireplace or a cigarette.
Speaker 1: And I personally am actually interested to see what's going
Speaker 1: to happen and say the next years for cases of
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion is fewer and fewer people smoke, and
Speaker 1: there are fewer and fewer open flame sources are available
Speaker 1: in the home to see, you know, do do the
Speaker 1: cases continue steady or do they go down? Or do
Speaker 1: they go up? I'm I'm curious to see. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling that you're going to go down. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: instead we have cell phones that ignite, Yes, but that
Speaker 1: would that would leave a tell tale bit of evidence
Speaker 1: of if you've got a cell phone with a lithium
Speaker 1: battery right underneath your body. Yeah, maybe, I mean it
Speaker 1: could burn all the way up. Maybe he really obvious
Speaker 1: that his butt caught on fire because he had his iPhone. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but I agree. I think, you know, the
Speaker 1: this body burning up phenomenon is real, But I think
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of external factors that we
Speaker 1: can use to explain it doesn't Yeah, fire didn't just
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. Unfortunately. No, No, I think that
Speaker 1: I think the idea is very titilating. It's fun, it's entertaining,
Speaker 1: it's it draws you in and oh my god, this
Speaker 1: could happen, but it's kind of supernatural, you know, it's
Speaker 1: that kind of guess people. I also think that a
Speaker 1: lot of time, certain details get omitted, and we see
Speaker 1: this all the time and stories and I think that
Speaker 1: I whose story was that I said this before? It's
Speaker 1: to sell newspapers, and I think that was I think
Speaker 1: it was your last Joe's I think. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's it's all to sell newspapers, you know. That's that's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. So they cut, they curtail the facts.
Speaker 1: But that that is all that we have on spontaneous
Speaker 1: human combustion. By the way, if you want to know more,
Speaker 1: South Park did do an episode on this phenomenon, the
Speaker 1: hard hitting documentary. Yeah. Well, then it turns out a
Speaker 1: different theory about it. Well, it also turns out that
Speaker 1: Elvis wrote a song about this, So there is that
Speaker 1: out there above by Elvis. Yeah, and there's there's earth,
Speaker 1: wind and fire. They're really all motivated by all their
Speaker 1: songs were motivated by spontaneous human combustion. Let's not forget
Speaker 1: cheap Trick had their big comeback yet you know what
Speaker 1: the course was, I will be the flying Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Chariots of Fire also based on people in chariots who
Speaker 1: caught on fire sultaneously. Well, we see that every time
Speaker 1: you see a clip from that movie. Those guys are running,
Speaker 1: running their asses off. What are they running from? Trying?
Speaker 1: It's wet, so they don't bird? Yeah, So okay, Stevan's
Speaker 1: got the look of she doesn't agree with this. Devon's
Speaker 1: got that look of wrapped us up guys, stid kind
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Speaker 1: We're over an hour and I didn't think spontaneous human
Speaker 1: combustion could go on that long. So we should put
Speaker 1: this fire out, spray some Seltzer water on it, and
Speaker 1: call it done. So until next week, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: flame on, I got nothing that was really watered down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank god,