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I am Steve, as always, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.840 joined by Devin and Joe, who wants to sing, but 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.800 we're holding you back. I just want yes, and we've 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.920 got the shot collar on you so you cannot sit 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.440 all right. So we, of course, as always have a mystery, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.520 and this week the mystery is is spontaneous human combustion 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.640 actually a real thing done? So? It's a hot case 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.680 of hot lead, do you yes? Yes, it's burned it up. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:24.080 So for those of you who don't know, spontaneous human 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:28.920 combustion is described as the rare event when a human 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:34.160 body is found partially or sometimes fully burned to basically 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:39.640 ashes while the things around the body have suffered very 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.360 little if no damage from the fire that seems to 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.800 have consumed it, which is, what do you think about it? 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.200 Kind of weird. It's usually what you find burned up 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.760 bodies there in the middle of a big fire themselves. Yeah, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.280 the whole place has gone up, So it's a little 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.000 strange when you think about it. Yeah, it's also strange 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.559 that you know, the combustion, even if it is coming 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.160 from a human, isn't catching all this stuff around said 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.160 human on fire exactly? And how it just it's just 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.400 contained to the body. Yeah, And that's gonna be a 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.720 recurring theme as we go through it. We're gonna we're 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.600 gonna keep it wait like it's gonna come up. So 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.600 I'm just warning you now. I'm gonna we're gonna talk 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:19.840 about how spontaneous human combustion could happen, but that's mostly 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.480 gonna be in the theory section. But what I'm gonna 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.079 start out with is a couple of stories of spontaneous 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.520 human combustion because they kind of illustrated a little better 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:34.480 than than just the basic facts. Before we do those stories, though, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.080 I will say thank you to the listeners who have 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.440 suggested this. This was suggested by Stewart and Sarah and 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.440 possibly other people, a suggested to us by the guys 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.040 over at BuzzFeed unsolved. Oh yeah, I forgot about those. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we should talk to them one 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:57.560 of these days. But but okay, So, spontaneous human combustion, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.480 there have been reports of it's a lot of about 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.720 two D parts of it in the last three to 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.400 five hundred years. So I'm gonna tell a couple of those. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.280 Uh And before I get into it, I'm gonna issue 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.679 a word of warning to everybody that you may, as 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.239 we're talking to this, if you're sitting in front of 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.080 the computer, be tempted to start Google image searching spontaneous 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.320 human combustion. And I will tell you that if you 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.440 have a week's stomach, or you are too young to 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.200 oh I don't know see that kind of stuff, just 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.840 don't do it. Or it can be yeah, yeah, you 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.560 might know what to do that a lot of work listeners. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.240 Yeah don't that would be great. You know, you're sitting 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:37.880 in your cubicle and the guy in the cubic going 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:45.440 next you, suddenly it throws up, you know, jeezy, Just 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.520 don't yet. Yeah, just be safe, don't do it. Okay. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.720 So we're gonna go through four cases I've I've picked 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.680 out here. We're gonna start with case number one, which 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.600 is the case of Mary Reeserchu. Mary Reeser lived in St. Petersburg, Florida. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.160 I don't know why this seems to be one of 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.800 the most famous ones. I think it's because it's got 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.120 the most photos taken of it. There's a bunch of 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.640 photos of her scene. But Mary was found dead in 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.880 her home on July two. What happened is that her 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.480 landlady came by her door at about eight o'clock in 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.840 the morning that day, and for reasons that I don't know, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.200 um became alarmed that Mary wasn't answering the door, and 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.000 then she grabbed the door handle and found that the 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.440 door handle was hot. Because eight am is too early 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.640 for a hot door knob, even in the state of Florida, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.840 where it's a million degrees in July sunlight to have 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.920 fall on it yet and warm it up. So why 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.600 the hell isn't hot? Exactly? So, the landlady, whose name 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.120 I can't find, it's always omitted. She gets upset. She 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.960 starts knocking on the door. She can't get married to respond. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.119 She goes and calls the police. You know, you're touching 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:03.960 how hot door knob? You should actually call the fire department. True, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.520 you should just call Mine one one and say but 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.560 one was not a thing. They did not have that. Yeah, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:18.400 I don't know when that started. Well, now just dial 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.840 Mine one one or whatever your emergency things and say 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.080 somebody's not responding, and what is it from the I 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:30.599 T crowd? Oh god, yeah, yeah, okay, So any who. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.080 She touches the door handle, realizes that it's warmer than 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.320 it should be, and calls the police, who then come 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.040 and get into the apartment. They break down the door 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:46.480 and they find Mary's remains in a chair, and by 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.800 remains on me, Yeah, what's left of her? Because she 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.240 had essentially her and the chair had essentially been reduced 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.600 to ashes. What was left was her part of her 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.039 left foot, and it had she was wearing slippers, so 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.120 they were still slipper on that foot, fully intact, and 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.200 her skull was still there. But the accounting is always 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.279 say that it was shrunk down to the size of 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.240 a teacup, which I mean I take to mean that 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.200 all of the skin was burned off, and the skull 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.640 must have fallen apart, because you know, your skull is 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.200 not one solid bone, it's multiples. And that's the only 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.520 way that I can figure out that bone would be 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.120 reduced to the size of a teacup. Yeah. No, it's 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.600 not gonna shrink because of fire, right, Yeah, so I'm 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.799 thinking crumbling falling apire might make it brittle. And maybe 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.200 maybe when they fire the fire and picked it up, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.000 they're sort of like, oh, look at that groove. Yeah no, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.320 I don't know, to be quite honest, that the teacup 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.160 thing is one of those very sensationalized statements, but that 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.160 is Mary's story. Will move from Mary. So. Case number 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.919 two is the case of John Irving Bentley. Mr. Bentley 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.120 had had friends over visiting at at his home on 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:04.040 December four, six, and after his friends all left, he 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.040 apparently burst into flames sometime between the hours of nine 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.320 o'clock at night because his visitors all left at nine 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.559 o'clock and the next morning, which would be December five, 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.600 he would be burned to a pile of ashes except 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.200 for his right leg. He was found by the meter 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.760 reader who showed up to read his meter. By the way, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.400 does everybody know what a meter reader is? Well, I do, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.960 but probably not everybody. Okay, here's the thing, is that 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.320 for folks who may not know, you've got like a 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.440 gas meter or an electric meter outside your house. Yes, 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.520 and so somebody has to come by and read the 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.560 meter on a certain day. I don't know how much 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.000 you've used used to have to. I don't think they do. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.040 Not all of it is automated, but a lot of 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.200 it is these days. But but that's what a meter 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.840 reader is, and they're fairly common, you know, they come 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.920 by all the time. So he used to your meter 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.360 reader reader was like, you know, poke around. Its stupid 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.760 and stuff. That really was this business? I don't quite get. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.760 I think that that Well, according to what I've read, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.640 the meter reader said, when he got there, he noticed 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.320 a weird smell, and then he said he saw a 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.960 blue smoke, which I'm guessing he must have seen that 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.680 through the window of the house. He wasn't in it, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.720 and at that point, and apparently the house must have 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.440 been unlocked, because he decided to investigate. And when he 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.200 got to the bathroom of the house, he would find 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.160 John Bentley or John Irving Bentley's body and he would 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.840 run for help screaming something to the effect of Dr 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:40.160 Bentley has burned up. Oh my god, No, it's a 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.600 little weird. And the investigators when they first checked him out, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.920 they said, oh, well, it's probably pretty obvious here. He 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.720 probably was known to smoke pipe. They said, he probably 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.400 caught himself on fire while smoking in the bathroom, except 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.400 that they would find his pipe completely intact in his bedroom, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.600 unmarred by flames, so he's in bathroom, So that doesn't 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.040 line up with their initial theory. Though a lot of 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.160 pipe smokers have more than one pipe. That is true. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.720 And we're going to get more into all of these 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.400 cases in a little bit, but we'll just keep moving 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.959 through to case number three, which is the case of 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.200 Robert Francis Bailey. He was a homeless man and he 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:26.440 apparently burned to death in nineteen sixty seven at five am. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.760 A group of people were waiting at the bus stop. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.760 This is in September. What was this? What was this? 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.120 At some reason, I'm thinking San Francisco. What I can't 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.200 Oh my gosh, you know, I had it in my 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.360 notes and somehow it's not here, and I can't answer 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.959 that question. Off the top light. I don't remember, doesn't 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.960 really matter, I guess. Yeah, but these people are waiting 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.600 outside for the bus and they look up into the 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.000 window of a nearby building and they said that they 0:09:54.080 --> 0:10:00.360 saw flames, and so they called the police. So it 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.800 was like an abandoned house though, right, Yeah, it's always 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.240 listed as a derelict building. So it gives me the 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.679 impression that it must have been an abandoned or almost 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:13.240 maybe a foreclosed kind of situation, completely empty building that 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.640 you know, somebody experiencing homelessness might squat in correct. Absolutely, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.640 So the police get there and they get into the 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:26.960 building and they they find Robert Francis Bailey's body, which 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.239 is at that point still on fire. The arriving officers 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.000 would report that they saw a blue flame that was 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:40.880 coming out of a approximately four inch slit in his abdomen. Yeah, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.600 they said it almost looked like it was like a 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.839 jet of blue ling like a torch if you've used 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.600 like a camping torch kind of thing. That's the way 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.680 that that that's what that brings to mind to me 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.120 when they call it a blue flame, a torch like flame. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.000 Is this kind of fire spewing out of his belly. Yeah, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.760 I don't know exactly how would go about processing. That's 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.880 not probably something you were expecting to see when you 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.640 left the house that day. No, no, no, no no, I would. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.560 I would have to say you're correct. I will say 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:14.760 that the reporting always says that his teeth were clamped 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.720 down on the newle post of the staircase. And if 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.280 you don't know what that is, that's the last upright 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:26.400 on the handrail, so theah on the ends, the top 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.640 and the bottom, it's the big post. Now. I looked 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.640 at the pictures and they say that they they say 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.560 that it looks like he was biting down on it. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.199 To me, it looks like he fell down and as 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.960 uh desiccated as his body is, I almost feel like 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.360 maybe his head just kind of fell into it, and 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.280 that's why it looks like it was biting it, because 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.480 it looks more like it's resting against it then Actually 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.400 to me, biting it means, you know, clamped down into 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.439 the wood, almost in pain kind of, And it would 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:05.240 not me at all correct and post burned by the way, No, no, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.400 not in the picture that I saw, and teeth marks 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.560 in it. Well, like I said, it just looked like 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.960 his head was resting next to it. He was not 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.760 completely burned up, though, because they found him there and 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.720 his belly was, you know, shooting out this blue flame. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.320 And they put him out by shoving a rubber hose 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.720 in his you know, in that slit and spraying it 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.280 full of water, which you know, that's like if twelve 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.120 year old me wants to make the up your nose 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.559 with a rubber hose joke here. But the point is 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.280 they had to stead to fill his insides with water 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.160 to put it out. Yeah. I don't know. I would 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.240 have been tempted to just let him burn out myself. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.280 I think that might have been a bit of a 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:48.680 safety hazard. Their call of duty. Yeah, I guess where 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.840 did they get the hose from. I don't know where 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.760 they get the water from. I don't know. I assume 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.599 they called the fire department maybe, you know. It's my 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.079 assumption that the reason people called the police for all 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.080 these things is the police would then the dispatcher would 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.680 then also call the fire department. If somebody called and said, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.360 smoke is coming out of this building, we need the police, 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.680 they would say, all right, police are on their way. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.040 Oh and also let's just bring the fire department. So 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.760 cops are kind of crowd control the firefighters there to 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.480 fight the fire, and they work in tandem. I don't 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.320 that's just my assumption on the cops should show there 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.520 might be arsonists who are fleeing as the scene of 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.560 the crime. I mean pictures of the crowds, firebugs are around, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.000 and it may be that the police officer number is 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:40.840 way easier to memorize than you know, I don't know. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.760 We have one final case that we're going to talk about, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.600 which is number four, Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas was a 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.960 seventy three year old man. He lived in South Wales 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:57.400 and he died in night. Henry Thomas's remains were found 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:02.480 showing Okay, so he apparently been sitting in like an 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:07.040 easy chair sort of like Mary Reese. Uh, and he 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.120 was burned from the top down. So he's in a chair. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.760 So this sounds nice and peaceful, except that it appears 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.080 that he was one of the weird ones that he 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.720 burned from like the neck or head down instead of 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.840 sort of starting more in the abdominal area. That a 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:29.320 lot of stuff talks spontaneous hum combustion. Yeah, it really 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.240 is so like Mary. He like I said, he didn't 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.440 completely burn up. His legs were there. As we just said, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.320 what's unusual, and you see this a lot of times 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.000 in spontaneous human combustion cases, is that his legs were 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.760 still clothed in socks and pants. So he had a 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.720 pair of pants on and socks, and apparently the pants 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.960 had burned away from you know, the upper portion above 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.600 the knee, and they were still there. So it's almost, 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.600 if you know how, you'll you'll take pants and you'll 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.960 make cut off shorts off of him. But now just 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.480 leave that cut off portion that's below the knee hanging 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.760 there and nothing else. It's all sitting there. Yeah. Man, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.720 maybe kind of flame retard material or something like that. Well, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.800 it's weird that it would burn part but not all. Yeah, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:19.120 because because materials started coming on the steam late seventies, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.680 more in the eighties, and a lot more in the nineties. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.240 I mean, they got really good. They said they were 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.320 flame retarded when they were still just cotton, not coated 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:32.680 in gasoline. So but I don't know. But but what 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.560 happens is they find his body. He's been burned, his 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.000 knees and legs are still there. They rule him death 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.680 by burning. So they say he is not a case 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.000 of spontaneous human combustion. Though, as I'm going to repeat 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.240 a lot of times today, the internet disagrees, calls this 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:56.040 spontaneous human combustion. Sure, okay, I agree, why not? Yeah, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.520 So there you have it, four stories of people who 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.720 simularly have burned up where they sat, literally where they 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:07.040 sat or laid. Consistencies between these cases is that, as 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.920 we just talked about with Mary and Henry, their legs 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.680 seemed to escape the flames, and the other one had 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.200 one leg the right. The second one we talked about, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.960 what's his name, Oh, Mr Bentley, Yeah, he was in 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.480 the bathroom. Yeah, and so one of his legs was still. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.360 Mary had a leg, laugh, Mary had a little leg. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:34.280 Sometimes you'll see that forearms and hands, it seemed to 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:39.480 be left behind. They're not burned up, but the furthest extremities, Yes, exactly, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.920 the furthest extremities are left behind. Another consistent thing is 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.360 that there's usually a bad smell in the room where 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.480 the body is found. And I don't mean that that 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.840 you know, that dirty smoky smell, but more of a greasy, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.680 fatty bernie smell of barbecue, not in the nice way, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.200 not in the nice way at all. Uh. And and 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.880 the things that are around the body. We've talked about 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.480 this in the very be any things around the body, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:09.280 like furnishings or carpets or flooring don't appear to have 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.600 burned there. They may be covered in soot and gross stuff, 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:18.719 but they are not actually burned up. So it's weird 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.399 because you would think that if, like we said before, 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.320 if somebody's gonna burn, everything else around them should go 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.640 up as well. We would think they would catch fire. Yeah, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.000 it is a known fact, and we have to say 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:35.280 this here that spontaneous combustion, just the active things spontaneously 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.840 combust is a verified fact. We know that happen. So 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:44.000 things like coal dust or greasy rags or compost pile, 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.640 things that are particularly combustible. Anyway, it is really weird 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.720 tho when you stuff your hand and into like the 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.560 middle of a pile of like bart dust and it's warm, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.600 a bit warm, you know, and that's really weird. Oh yeah, no, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.159 there's nothing creeper. And we have a compost. We have 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.919 extra outdoor compost bins. We used to make top soil 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.080 for planting beds, and I'll go out there in the 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.920 middle of winter and I turned these things about once 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.439 every week or two, and I will turn it and 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.639 it is steaming hot in the middle. And then you 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.359 put that in a hot day, hot environment, that stuff 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:22.639 can catch fires spontaneously combust It's crazy, but it happens. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.840 But the crazy thing is that nothing about the human 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:31.280 body seems to lend itself to be inherently flammable. Yes, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.119 that's exactly right. They usually like, like you know, when 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.040 you go to the crematorium, they don't just like, you know, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.640 so a match on you. Let nature take care of itself. 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.879 You know, they got to put you in a They 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.080 gotta stuff stuff you in an oven and apply like 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.600 what four hundred degrees hundred degrees fahrenheit, which is seven 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.679 sixty to n eighty degrees celsius. That's what it takes 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.080 to cremate someone when they put you in the big oven. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.040 Because it turns out we're mostly water. We are, and 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.760 water doesn't burn, no, no, And the human body is 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.160 somewhere I've always see it disputed and debated, but we're 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.800 somewhere in that range. We're water. Depending on how much 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.359 you've had to drink that day. True, and I always 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.960 like to quote Star Trek the next generation, we are 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.560 ugly bags of water, and it's true. So we're we're big, walking, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.359 ugly bags of waters. We are not inherently flammable. But 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.320 that's rather judgment on their part. I think those aliens 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.359 were right, Yeah, the aliens probably, Yeah, it was an 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.520 obviously obviously. The key here is if you want to 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.720 burn some burning body, you've got to first put it 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.600 in a food dryer and turn it into cherokee first, Yeah, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.840 and then it will burn real easy. So here's the 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.560 thing that is that we we technically speaking, I mean 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.480 we talked about putting somebody into a furnat we can 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.960 burn because the human body, while being made up of 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.879 a lot of water, is also made up of a 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:56.000 lot of fats and acids and those kind of things burn, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.080 So it is possible. But you know, think about the 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:06.480 amount of energy that is required to completely consume a 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.280 human body. I mean, you put somebody into a cremation oven. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:16.639 Crematorium's oven, they don't completely disintegrate, like there are big 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.840 chunks left over, big hunks of bone, whereas in these 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:26.080 cases of spontaneous human combustion. Sometimes very little bone is 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:30.560 left over. It's very small pieces. Sad fact. If and 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.320 I mean I'm gonna be cremated, I'm not gonna be 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.639 stuck in the ground. But you know they don't. They 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.679 then stick you your remains it all blender to grind 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.200 it all down. Oh yeah, I thought they like took 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.280 it out of the parking lot hammer a few times. No, no, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.520 I know we're laughing at this, but the truth of 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.400 the matter is that they have to stick you into 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.080 some industrial grade grinder to grind up the remaining bits 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.800 so that you fit into your you know, turn plastic 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:03.960 bag special yes, plant pod or plant pod. You know, 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.600 I think we talked about this before. You actually like 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.560 the idea. They have the thing where you can be 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.399 mixed in with concrete and be used in those constructs 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:13.800 that they put in the bottom of the ocean to 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.040 help coral reefs begin. I like the ones you can 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.760 do the pods where you plant a tree. Oh and 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.080 you become just fertilizer for a tree like that too, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.520 which is cool. Yeah, probably got to be fertilizer for 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.720 something for sure, no matter what, unless zombies, which is 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.960 why that's why you want to be cremated. That's why 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:37.240 I have safe Yeah, take your head off. You can't 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:42.440 trust anyone else. Okay, well we've we've got a little 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.520 off track here. But one fact that I do want 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.199 to hit here before we move on, and I I 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.399 played into it a little bit, but that is the 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.760 whole everything in around the body, not of it is 0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.399 consumed by the fire. Well, that's not entirely true. He 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.359 thinks some things got scorched at least, well, you know, 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.000 the bodies that are in like easy chairs. So Mary 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.000 and Henry Thomas, they were sitting in a chair. Chairs 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.479 got burned. Those chairs got massively burned. They burned up. 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.360 Now that again is the weird part is that you think, well, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.600 if I'm in an easy chair in the nineteen eighties, 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.040 it's full of cotton batting, like that thing should just 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.399 go up like a Roman candle. But it didn't. A 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.879 lot of it was melted and burned, but it didn't 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.800 go up and start the whole house. So some things 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.359 around the bodies will burn. Carpets or flooring that are 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:40.440 underneath the remains will be scorched and to a degree burned. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.240 But again not everything just well, yeah, which is absurd 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:49.120 at you know, four degrees. Yes, it seems like things 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.000 should be catching because because we don't know that's that's 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:54.639 what it takes to burn up a body. But I 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.320 don't know if that these fires actually achieved that the intensity, 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.680 I mean, the bodies were burned up, I would assume it. Yeah. Well, 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.960 here's the deal though, if we are mostly made of water, 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.480 and let's say you're sitting in your chair and your 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.600 chair catches fire, all that heat rises, so you're already 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.159 sitting on top of it. Of course you're already on 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.600 fire yourself, but you's still got a fairly decent quantity 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.919 of water in your body. So maybe a lot of 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.359 that energy is absorbed by the water in your body, 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.200