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Speaker 1: They need you. Click barger. Hey there, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, as always,

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Speaker 1: joined by Devin and Joe, who wants to sing, but

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Speaker 1: all right. So we, of course, as always have a mystery,

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Speaker 1: and this week the mystery is is spontaneous human combustion

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Speaker 1: actually a real thing done? So? It's a hot case

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Speaker 1: of hot lead, do you yes? Yes, it's burned it up.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know, spontaneous human

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Speaker 1: combustion is described as the rare event when a human

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Speaker 1: Kind of weird. It's usually what you find burned up

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Speaker 1: about how spontaneous human combustion could happen, but that's mostly

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Speaker 1: suggested this. This was suggested by Stewart and Sarah and

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Speaker 1: of these days. But but okay, So, spontaneous human combustion,

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Speaker 1: is the case of Mary Reeserchu. Mary Reeser lived in St. Petersburg, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was cool, and we're back. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's start with theory number one, which is a truly

438
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Speaker 1: historical theory, and that is that the cause of spontaneous

439
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: human combustion is alcohol. Is all of us cut fire.

440
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: That's a very that's a very very good point. So

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Speaker 1: here's here's the Here's the way the theory runs is that,

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Speaker 1: according to the bygone eras, the idea was that you

443
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Speaker 1: would drink too much and there would be a build

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Speaker 1: up of presumably just the alcohol in your system and

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00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: that would make you flammable. And a lot of people

446
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: in the nine and early twentieth century actually bought into

447
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: this so much so that it worked its way into literature. Uh,

448
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: there's their stories by Dickens, Poe, Melville, even Twain that

449
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: talk about characters that die by spontaneous human combustion, who

450
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: were all alcoholics. I think they were just scared of themselves.

451
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Uh well, maybe Melville the Temperance movement got ahold of

452
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: this idea and they would run with it big time. Obviously,

453
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him in the end because

454
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: their movement didn't really long term last. So they worked

455
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: out fine for a while. Yeah, they got for about

456
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Speaker 1: ten years or so. Maybe it turned out that the

457
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: instances of spontaneous human combustion didn't decline and that was

458
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: actually the downfalling. Well, but then they would just blame

459
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: it on the bathtub jin. Yeah, because bathtub jin was

460
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: some flammable craps. Yeah. I would actually like to know

461
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: that prohibition really actually reduced drinking at all in America.

462
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I think it it stopped casual drinking. I think the

463
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: hardcore addicts still found a way to their detriment. They

464
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: still found a way. People will still drank. It never stopped.

465
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: That's why we now tax it and make a boatload

466
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: of money on it through the government, because people like

467
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: to drink. Tax it. It's just like you know, Mariland,

468
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, you wonder how fine we will

469
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: tax the hell out of a show that Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um,

470
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Speaker 1: but yeah, So the idea though that drinking too much

471
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: is gonna make you catch on fire seems a little

472
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: absurd because I have been next to a lot of

473
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Speaker 1: people in bars who I wish would catch fire, and

474
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: they did not do so, present company excluded. Right, So

475
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: I've actually seen a lot of drunk people drop like

476
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: lip matches and cigarettes on themselves and they still don't

477
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: go up. I have seen people still hard liquor on

478
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: themselves while lighting a cigarette and not catch on fire.

479
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: God loves fools and he is protecting them apparently. So

480
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: this one, this one, obviously, I think we can just

481
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: throw under the under the round because it's not there

482
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: unless you know sunk cases, Like if you're drinking like

483
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: you know, hundred eight proof, you know, flammable stuff, maybe

484
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: that could be a contributing factor somehow. And most booze

485
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: unless it's like at least like what hundred fifty proof

486
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: or higher, it actually isn't flammable. That's true. That's true.

487
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about some of that a little later

488
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: on with Robert Bailey. He's the guy who was found

489
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Speaker 1: in the abandoned building. Yeah, so we'll talk about this.

490
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: This alcoholism will come into play with him, and we'll

491
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: flesh that out a little bit more. But let's move

492
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Speaker 1: to theories number two, three, four, and five, which are

493
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: all lots and lots of fun. Number two being that

494
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: the cause of spontaneous human combustion is all lightning. Yeah,

495
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: while lightning, which is like, you know, the explanation for

496
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's

497
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Speaker 1: one of the handful of go to explanations for things.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the interesting thing about ball lightning, right

499
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Speaker 1: is that it's kind of a weird unsolved mystery in

500
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Speaker 1: and of itself. I've actually considered covering it, but it's

501
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: just it's, well, we talked about squishy. It's a squishy theory.

502
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: It's a squishy story because there's really nothing concrete. I

503
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: will tell you right now for those of you who

504
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: don't know. Per the Internet, the description of ball lightning

505
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: is and I quote, a luminous spherical object that varies

506
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: from p sized to several meters in diameter. Though usually

507
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: associated with thunderstorms, this phenomenon lasts considerably longer than the

508
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: split second flash of a lightning bolt. Many early reports

509
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: claim that the ball eventually explodes, sometimes with fatal consequences,

510
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: leaving behind the odor of sulfur unquote. So if you

511
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: happen to see a little blowing ball hovering next to you,

512
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: hit it with apply swater before it explodes, or run

513
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: one of the two. Run. Yeah, I mean, we've talked

514
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: about this, the problem with spontaneous for spontaneous hum combustion.

515
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: When you bring in ball lightning, is ball lightning? Nobody's

516
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: ever proved that it's a real thing concretely, like they've

517
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: done it in the lab. People, Okay, in the outside world,

518
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: people have said that they have observed ball lightning in nature.

519
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: There's always these claims, but they're unsubstantiated. And then guys

520
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: in the you know, scientists in the lab have tried

521
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: to recreate it, and they have managed to do it.

522
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: But it is momentary, like fractions of a second. It

523
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: is only visible through certain spectrums with special cameras. Like

524
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: it's not it's not as if they can say, look,

525
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: we made the ball go across the room. It is,

526
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: it's here's gone, it's it's milliseconds kind of thing. So, yeah,

527
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what electricity does because it moves that speed light

528
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But the hard part is is

529
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: that we we can't even say that it's a real thing.

530
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: So how can you say that that's the cause of

531
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion. We can't say it's a real thing.

532
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: We just can't say that it is a real, spontaneously

533
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: naturally occurring thing. I really agree with that. That's a

534
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: good point. I will absolutely agree with that. You're going

535
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: to rule that one out. I personally do not believe

536
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: that it is the cause of this, but nobody has

537
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: to rule it out if they want to hang onto

538
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: it as a preferred theory. I'm not going to tell

539
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you put it in my pocket. There you go with

540
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: your other marbles. Let's move into the next theory, which

541
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: is static electricity and or geomagnetic forces. So this theory

542
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: is the real reason that at parties you shouldn't be

543
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: cute and take a balloon and rub it on your

544
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: head to make your hair stand especially if you've been drinking,

545
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: because you may burst into flames. So also don't go

546
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: to the after and that will not make the little

547
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: children love you. They do the Edison ball or whatever.

548
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: You put your hands on it and the static electricity

549
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: makes all your hair stand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't

550
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: start that rival real because those guys are still fighting

551
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: in this day. I got to tell you guys that

552
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: about dr Mega bolt sometimes. Yeah. So basically what this

553
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: theory is is it's it's it's much like ball lightning

554
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: in that it's saying that for the static electricity side,

555
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: it saying that you've built up enough static charge on

556
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: your body that in some way it arcs and that

557
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: catches you on fire. The geomagnetic forces part, I've never

558
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: really seen other than the words geomagnetic forces, I've never

559
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: seen a good description of it. So I don't know

560
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: what's going on with their clue there should be it's

561
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: just something that people call geometic geomatic forces. Not even

562
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: they can't even specify what right if the clue is,

563
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: it's like it's forces, and I don't know if nature. Yeah,

564
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: the force is strong and this one it's zapp you're

565
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: on fire. Yeah, the idea, yeah, I know, the aesthetical

566
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: electricity I get. I mean that could that could hypothetical

567
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: geomagnetic forces and magnetism really yeah, I don't understand. And

568
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and listen, I should have suffered. I should have been

569
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: killed by spontaneous human combustion. If static electricity is the

570
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: cause because I am the person who is always reaching

571
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: for something and getting shocked to the point that the

572
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: snap of the arc jumping from whatever thing I'm grabbing

573
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: is loud enough people around me turn and look like

574
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I get shocked all the time, and I do. But

575
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, but it could be it's it's not just

576
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: aesthetical interest. Do you have to have to be other factors?

577
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: President also some chemical composition in your body. It could

578
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: also be that because you are releasing your static electricity,

579
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: you're not going to burn up. It's people who like

580
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: retain that. The people that you're zapping there, they're the

581
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: ones who catch fire and burn up. Do you do

582
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: you stay long enough to see if they catch fire? No?

583
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: Dr Xavier taught me not to stay around after after,

584
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: so I just I always leave. I've got my little

585
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: blue friend, he teleports me away. It's all. It's all okay.

586
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Magnetic courses. So that's especially week. I think, Yeah, well,

587
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: let's okay, So let's move forward. Keytoast is our next theory.

588
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: The look on devon space right now. I kind of

589
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: like this one better than the ones we've had so far,

590
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: where they get better as they go I stacked at

591
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: the deck on purpose. Keytoast is is a theory that

592
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: is proposed by a man named Brian J. Ford as

593
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: the cause of spontaneous human combustion, and he says that

594
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: it's because of this chemical process in the body keytoast

595
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: is that these people are catching on fire, which totally

596
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: a real thing. So if you don't know, keytoasts is

597
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: a process by which the body metabolizes it and burns

598
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: fats in the body to make energy instead of burning

599
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: glucose to make energy. Because you have two ways. There's

600
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: basically is it aerobic and anaerobic? Those are the two. No,

601
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: it's not an aerobic and anaeroa, but there's the two

602
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: different methods and they both make energy. Which is you know,

603
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: when people are fasting or their dieting, they aren't taking

604
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: in as milly many calories, but they're still able to function.

605
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: They're getting that energy and it's because their body is

606
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: converting fats into energy through ketosis. To clarify, for your

607
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: body to actually survive on ketosis, you have to be

608
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: eating like no carbs. You have to be taking no carbs.

609
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: And I only know that because I've done that well

610
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: and That's why I say fasting more so, probably more

611
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: so than it depends on the diet. There are diets

612
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: that are you know, but it's actually very popular right

613
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: now because you just eat eggs and bacon all the time,

614
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: and I do, and I am the bottle of health. Yeah.

615
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean it does change the chemical

616
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: makeup of your body, at least temporarily. Yeah. And it's

617
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: a normal, normal process. The body does it naturally. It's

618
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: it's how evolutionarily speaking, it's how you got through times

619
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: of famine when there wasn't all of the things around

620
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: to just happily munch on, and you had to go

621
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: for days or weeks on end before you had another meal.

622
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: That's how you survived. And that's how a lot of

623
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: creatures survive. The thing about this, though, is what Ford

624
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: focuses in on, is that because of this process, the

625
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: body creates and then in a way uses aceto acetate

626
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: and aceto ascetic acids. I can't believe I got those right, Uh.

627
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: And those contain the very unstable compounds which your methyl

628
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: and ethyl compounds, so methylene and ethylene, which are both

629
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: things that are very very flammable when they're in high

630
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: concentrations can be We have to be really careful here

631
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: because this is a you know kind of conversation that

632
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: people have a lot where they're just like, well, it has,

633
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, monoxide it so it's automatically awful for you.

634
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, there are actually tons of kinds

635
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: of monoxide that are fine for you, just becauseide not

636
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: so much. The other oneside is that yes, I I

637
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: will tell you everybody who's ever consumed that has died,

638
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: so you know, actually you can you know, actually a

639
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: bat tupple that can kill an entire village of people.

640
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: That's true, yeah, talking, but that's exactly you know, I

641
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: just want to be careful as we're talking. It's not apherently.

642
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: The body produces this stuff in very, very mind nute

643
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: fractions of the fractions of a fractional amount. So it's

644
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: not as if you are just all the water and

645
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: your body has now been replaced by this potentially explosive compound.

646
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. But according to Ford,

647
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: he says that if you have the right to build

648
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: up of these compounds in your body, do to ketosis,

649
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: you'll start expelling gases, these methyl ethyl gases out of

650
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: your mouth primarily is where he says, and maybe out

651
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: of your skin. I wasn't too clear on that part.

652
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: And then if you come into contact with some kind

653
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: of spark, say you're a smoker or you're round of flame,

654
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: then your your breath may catch on fire or your

655
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: skin where you're you're exuding is the word I want

656
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: to use, But yes, and what's coming out of your pores,

657
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: then that might be the admission point. There are a

658
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: ton of people who don't do ketosis as like a

659
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: standard diet these days, like like tons of them. It's

660
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: very popular right now. Lots of them also smoke. I

661
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: know they're not just poofing up into flames, but so

662
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: it might be a combination of factors, like it's like

663
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: an airplane crash. It's not one thing very true. Well

664
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: I would, so I personally will put the stamp of

665
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: pseudoscience all over Mr Ford and ketosis. Okay, Well no,

666
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: unless unless somebody can document in the lab that there

667
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: are certain people, because you know, everybody is a little different,

668
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: there might be some people out there that you know,

669
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: they go into the state that that particular state and

670
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: they crack out tons of these chemicals I mean I

671
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of doubt it, but it's possible. I mean, some people,

672
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: uh wear silver and it tarnishes in a day, and

673
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: some people wear it for a year and it's fine.

674
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: And that's all just the way your chemical compounds of

675
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: your body react to things. So Okay, I still discredit it,

676
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: but we'll give it the slightly less discredited grade than

677
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: I originally gave it. We'll move on now to our

678
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: next area. I believe this is one, two, three, four.

679
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: This is number five, which is the sub atomic particle pyroton. Yeah,

680
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: doesn't it sound like a really crappy super o, the

681
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: world's tiniest super here a supervillain. Probably it's there's a

682
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: there's So everybody's now confused because we've just made up

683
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: the superhero. It's not actually a superhero supervillain. Instead, it

684
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: is all the creation of a man named Larry Arnold.

685
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: And Larry Arnold wrote a book called Ablaze, which was

686
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: this book all about spontaneous human combustion and all these stories.

687
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: And in that book he posited the theory that there

688
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: must be some subatomical particle that was flammable in certain

689
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: people and that was what was causing them to catch

690
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: on fire. And that is as much description as you

691
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: will ever find on the interest about this. I didn't

692
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: buy his book. I couldn't find it in the library.

693
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that that's the most that there is

694
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: about pyrotox. Best. It's a theoretical sub atomic particles of

695
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: probably just actually fictional. Yeah, although yeah, some of them

696
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: are kind of fictional so far, and there's a lot

697
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: of hypothetical ones. They're still trying to actually find evidence

698
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: of that, you know. But actually, some subatomic particles do

699
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: pass through our bodies all the time, so I could

700
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: imagine that some special little particle came along and some

701
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: special set of circumstances I don't know, And it's a

702
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: little subatomical particle with the dark goggles on and the

703
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: red span X with the flame pattern on it, zooming

704
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: through going yea that yeah, yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, okay, yeah,

705
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, so, but something I've been watching a

706
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: lot of Marvel movies lately, so that's that's where I

707
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of gave up in the Marble universe. It's gotten

708
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: too complicated. There's too many, too many superheroes out there anymore. Boy,

709
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: do I have a movie for you. Really, that's stupidly

710
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: complex and complex. But at a certain point you got

711
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: to like dial back the number of characters that having

712
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: been said, shall we move into some things that actually

713
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: seem to be more substantial. Okay, so we've had our fun,

714
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about the real stuff. Okay, So let's see

715
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: the next thing on the list is flamethrower. Yeah, I

716
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: like that one. You penciled that in on your version

717
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: of the script. It's actually not on mine, nor I'm

718
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: looking at Devon's it's not there either, So nice try.

719
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: My handwriting is so perfect. Yeah, yeah, it really does

720
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: in crayon. So the theory is that these people are

721
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: catching fire, not through spontaneous human combustion, but through external

722
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: heat sources like say smook. A lot of people don't

723
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: seem to be according to the science. They don't seem

724
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: to be catching on fire on their own. But it's

725
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: more like I said, it's it's the cigarette, or sometimes

726
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: it's a fireplace or a match or a lighter or

727
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: some other flame that is causing them to burn up.

728
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Especially back in the old days, a lot of people

729
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: still had like gas lighting in their homes and stuff.

730
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, would eaters everybody smoked everywhere. I mean there's

731
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: the world was just one giant pot of flammable materials.

732
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: There was very little fire retardant in anything. And consistent

733
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: factors to to take into consideration in this theory is

734
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: the people and their states. A lot of the people

735
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: who are consumed or killed in cases of spontaneous human

736
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: combustion tend to be and that's not always, but they

737
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: tend to be elderly, and they also tend to have

738
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: some kind of impairment to their mobility, and that could

739
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: be due to their age or metal could conditions, or obesity,

740
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: or because they're using lots and lots of booze or medication.

741
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: Those things that are are basically knocking them out or

742
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: impairing their ability to get away from a fire. Basically,

743
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: what we're saying is that somebody sets themselves on fire,

744
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: normal human under normal conditions wakes up, goes, oh, crap

745
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: a fire, and put it out to sleep. But in

746
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: this theory, the theory is that for whatever reason, they're

747
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: unable to put that fire out and just explain the

748
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: false correlation between booze and spontaneous conduction. And that's where

749
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: we're going, because we told you. We told you in

750
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: the initial section about four individuals. We're not going to

751
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: revisit their cases because it turns out they fall under

752
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: this theory, most of them pretty well. Because it turns

753
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: out Steve was withholding information Ala the FBI and I

754
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: are always withholding information. And by the way, I don't

755
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: send me to the email. I just realized I did.

756
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: I did use correlation incorrectly. I meant to say false causation.

757
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna light you on fire for this is like

758
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: something let's tell people you know, correlation does not equal causation. Kids, Okay, okay,

759
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: So let's start with Mary. That was our first case. Yes, Well,

760
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: it turns out that the reports and and some evidence

761
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: of her situation when she was found in her home

762
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg, Florida. It was sent to the FBI

763
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: and they figured out that Mary had taken sleeping pills

764
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: that the night before, which was something she had been

765
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: known to do regularly, like nightly she took sleeping pills.

766
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: There are some people and they were pretty sure that

767
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: what she had done, she had taken a sleeping pills,

768
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: sitting in her chair, was having a cigarette, fell asleep

769
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: and that cigarette then caught her body on fire and

770
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: she burned up. Now I will throw out there because

771
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: I love this and we're in the theory section is

772
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: there is one alternate theory for what happened to Mary Reeser,

773
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: which is it's the super villain theory, which is that

774
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: a guy named Professor Krogman of the University of Pennsylvania

775
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: said that this whole thing with Mary was actually a murder. Okay,

776
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: let me finish a devon before this one. You're gonna

777
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: get the trots on it, I know, but they said,

778
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: he says that someone murdered her. They then took her

779
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: body out of her apartment, incinerated it at a crematorium,

780
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: brought to the remains back to her apartment, put them

781
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: where they were found for someone to then find her,

782
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: and then to really sell the story, they somehow heated

783
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: the door knob of her apartment so that when the

784
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: landlady came by, she go ouch, that's weird, it's hot,

785
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: and would call the cops and they would find her remains.

786
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: You sound like you don't believe this so well, So

787
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: there's how far fetched. Piraton was the bad guy, the supervillain.

788
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: This is about five orders of magnitude beyond that to

789
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: me as an even more improbable Well, it's like the

790
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: stupidest way to get rid of a body I could

791
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: think of it. It's like, well, you're not really getting

792
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: rid of it, but you know you you take the

793
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: trouble of removing the body incinerating and why bring it

794
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: all the way back to the crime scene if they

795
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't incinerate it all the way the leg the slipper, well,

796
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it, that didn't fit in the incinerator

797
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: and he was like, damn it, just let it burn off.

798
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: It's fine. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird. It's just

799
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: and there's like no reason to even come up with

800
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: a theory like this. Flaming down the complicated. I don't understands.

801
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: It does bottle the mind that some murderer would do

802
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: something like this. It makes no sense to me. It

803
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: makes no sense. So that's why I put it in

804
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: here because it's a fun little bit. I'm going to

805
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: give you a murder back to murder one on one.

806
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: Don't do anything when you kill somebody, if you're trying

807
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: to cover it up, make it look like not murder.

808
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: Don't do anything to attract a lot of undo attention

809
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: to the case. Like a body spontaneously just catching fire

810
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: all by itself. That gets a lot of people really

811
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: interested in looking into it. You don't want to do that.

812
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to draw attention to your Yeah, well yeah.

813
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: My final problem with this is if you've got the body,

814
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: you've got it cremated, just let her disappear. Well, you

815
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: really do feel like you need to bring some kind

816
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: of mystery to it. It's real easy for the mystery

817
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: to be she just disappears. This is much like Joe

818
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: brings up this theory of well, they wanted to leave

819
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: a mystery for the ages, so he did this. That's

820
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: one of the things you always go too. And I

821
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: feel like this is just so far and beyond. Honestly,

822
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: we should leave it behind. It's fun, but it's just

823
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: so Cuckooville. Let's talk about John Bentley. He was victim

824
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: number two that we talked about. The investigators figured out

825
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: that probably what happened to Mr Bentley was that, as

826
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: we said before, he was known to smoke pipe and

827
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: he was wearing a robe, and they believe that what

828
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: he had he did is he inadvertently spilled hot ashes

829
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: from his pipe onto his bathrobe and lit it on fire,

830
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: at which point he ran to the bathroom to get

831
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: a pitcher of water to put himself out. By the way,

832
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: we're with him here. When your clothes are on fire,

833
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: you don't want to run, especially don't want to keep

834
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: wearing them. That's a bathroom. That's that's that's the weird

835
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: thing here. But but they say that he must have

836
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: done this based on broken remains of what is believed

837
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: to be a water pitcher in the bathroom, along with

838
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the fact that there were remnants of his robe which

839
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: were burned we're you know, still smoldering in the bathroom,

840
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: and they were next to the hole where the body

841
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: had burned into the floor. And he was known to

842
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, walk around in his robe, and he apparently

843
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: always had a box or a book of matches in

844
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: his pocket, which pipe smokers. If you don't know this,

845
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: smoking a pipe requires wooden matches because you have to

846
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: watch a lot of drawing on a pipe like that

847
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: to get the tobacco actually cooking correctly or stovepiping correctly

848
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: is not the technical term. But you can't use paper matches,

849
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: but you could use a lighter or a toke, correct,

850
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: But I believe that in this day, at age in

851
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: the sixties, when he it would just be to use matches.

852
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: My grandfather used to smoke a pipe, so this is

853
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: how I know this. I used to watch my great

854
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: grandfather do this all the time. But it takes a while.

855
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: So he's got this box of matches in his pocket,

856
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: and they think that what happened is that the fire

857
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: hit that cardboard box of matches, which are magnesium tipped,

858
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: and so they just went all of them and that

859
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: probably ignited the whole thing. My guess is at that point,

860
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: when he's in the bathroom, he falls in his effort

861
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: to you know, put himself out, as Joe said, take

862
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: the damn robe off. But instead he's trying to put

863
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: himself out. He probably fell. He probably hit his head

864
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: and knocked himself unconscious and would never wake up due

865
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: to the fact that his body would then be consumed

866
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: by a fire. It's just, um, I'm kind of say

867
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: this guy was just what a walking disaster zone. I mean,

868
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, I mean he first he

869
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: lights himself on fire, then then he falls and you know,

870
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: it hits his head and knocks himself out, and god,

871
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: it is it is just it really is just a

872
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: series of unfortunate events. Yeah, it's really what it is.

873
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: It's just amazing that it goes in that sequence. Let's

874
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: move to Robert Bailey. He is the homeless man that

875
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: was found in the building biting the newel post. So

876
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: no external means of ignition were found on his body,

877
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: meaning he wasn't a smoker, but he was known to

878
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: be an alcoholic. And I feel so bad for this

879
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: guy because, oh my god, was he on rock bottom

880
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: because he was not Daniels right. No, he was drinking

881
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: denuded alcohol. Denuded, yes, d natured alcohol, which is the

882
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: stuff that they used to to you know, yes, I

883
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: mean it's stuff he used to clean like goo off

884
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: of the wall. Is that like, isn't that like wood

885
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: alcohol or something? Is that? Like it's one step above

886
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: um rubbing alcohol, rubbing alcohol? Thank you? Like this, This

887
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: poor guy was so far down the well that he

888
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: was drinking poison to to get his fix. And if

889
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: he is drinking that stuff, it is doing bad things

890
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: to his body. And he is probably more than drunk.

891
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: He's probably a little high from it. And one thing

892
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: that if you've ever seen a sloppy drunk. Sloppy drunks

893
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: tend to wear what they're drinking because they missed themselves

894
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and they dribble it all over. So he's he's now covered,

895
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: He's probably got a good coating of flammable material there,

896
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: flammable liquids on himself, perfectly tee it up and ready

897
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: to be a human torch. So at that point, then

898
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: at all it takes is somebody else smoking a cigarette,

899
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: flicking an ash at him, or him trying to light

900
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: a fire and creating a sparker god knows what, and

901
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: then this poor soul turns into the human torch. So

902
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: with him, it seems to be that, yeah, he is.

903
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: He kind of is the the end. He is the

904
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: alcohol theory. Yeah, he really is. That that's what the

905
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: alcohol theory is saying is going to happen. But it's

906
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: just that it's a series of factors. Yeah, I mean,

907
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's one of the one thing. I mean,

908
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: it's like, you're too inebriated that everyone when you're so drunk,

909
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna do something stupid and let yourself up fire

910
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: number two, you're so drunk you don't know it, you're

911
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: not you don't know what, or you just can't really

912
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: react to it. Yeah, you're in the number three. You've

913
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: got booze probably all over your your clothing and stuff,

914
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, or at least the alcohol. Yeah this, Yeah,

915
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: he's the I mean, I feel bad for all these

916
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: people because people who experienced spontaneous human combustion die, they

917
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: die from it. But this poor guy, he's from the

918
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: description of his story was so far down. Yeah, he

919
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: was having a really hard time. Yeah, it's it's kind

920
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: of harsh. So let's move away from Robert Bailey. Let's

921
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: do have to say fire or no fire. I don't

922
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: think he was long for this earth. If he was, no,

923
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: you're drinking that stuff? Would I would not disagree with that.

924
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: We'll go to a victor, remember four, which is Henry Thomas.

925
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: Mr Thomas. There was evidence of a fire in the

926
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: fireplace in his house and they said that, so there's

927
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: a non spontaneous human combustion theory, which was that he

928
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: got up and stoked the fire and then got a

929
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: spark of the fire in his hair, sat down, and

930
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: then calmly sat there while he burned up, which is

931
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: just stupid, because if he is able to move, nobody

932
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: lets their head just burned like that flaming thing in

933
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: your hair. Yeah, and and and an actual crime scene investigator,

934
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: it's like, there's there's absolutely no way that he would

935
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: just sit there and let that happen if he was

936
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: capable of doing something about it. So they think that

937
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: probably if he did indeed get some spark on his body,

938
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: he from the fire, the reason that he didn't then

939
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: put himself out is he may have actually already been dead.

940
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: He may have actually died from a heart attack, either

941
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: through shock or pain or just naturally. It just, you know, again,

942
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: the perfect series of events. He's went and stirred the fire,

943
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: looked at was saying, hell, I got a spark on

944
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: myself and then had a heart attack and died. And

945
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: therefore then it was he was a perfect candidate for

946
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: that fire to spread. That's that there's a lot that

947
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: one was the flu open in his fireplace. I could

948
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: he have accidentally poisoned himself like carbon monoxide poisoning. I

949
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: don't know that, to be honest with you, Devin. I

950
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: So here's the hard part is that when you do

951
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: look at the pictures of this. The Internet loves to

952
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: have photos of spontaneous human combustion. With the Internet does

953
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: not like to do is say which case it is.

954
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of cases of people burned

955
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: up on floors or in chairs near fireplaces with no

956
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: description of who is who. Yeah, and so I saw

957
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of that. I was like, oh, that that

958
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: could be Oh no, was that could be? Oh no?

959
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 1: Which is why Yeah, Mr Bailey like, I'm pretty sure

960
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: I found the photo of him, but I'm not positive. Yeah. Well,

961
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: actually there's Mary research photos are always documented pretty well

962
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: because she's one of the first one that was photographed,

963
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's might be why she's so popular.

964
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know if the flu was was closed anyway. Yeah,

965
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, so we're gonna so the next theory is

966
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: actually kind of a combination of the last theory, and

967
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: this is, well, this is the how does it work? That?

968
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: How do it work? This? And this is the wig

969
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: effect because everybody seems to be catching fire from these

970
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: external sources. So again, as we talked about multiple times, now,

971
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: why isn't the entire room around them burning up with them?

972
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: And scientists believe that the reason is is that there's

973
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: this thing called the wick effect coming into play. So

974
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna talk about a candle. So you

975
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: have a candle, a wax candle, and you light the

976
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: wick on fire, and the heat melts the wax at

977
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: the top of the candle, and that wax kind of

978
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: flows up the wick, and that is mostly what's burning.

979
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: The wick itself is not on fire. It's that fatty

980
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: material ak a wax, that is allowing the flame to

981
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: be sustained. It's the same thing as I always used

982
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: to I never understood this as a kid. You'd see

983
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: the movies where people would like they'd have torches and

984
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: they'd go into the jungle cave, and I'd be like, wow, Wow,

985
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: the torches burned so long. And then I would get

986
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: a stick and a couple of rags and I would

987
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: light it on fire and it would go woof, and

988
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: the fire would be gone. It would last just long

989
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: enough to set the house on fire. Of course, in

990
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: the movies, what they don't show you is where they

991
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: put them in some kind of substance that you know,

992
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: gasoline or diesel or whatever, so that those fumes or

993
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: what are burning and not the actual material that right,

994
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: But the candles are kind of the same. Thing is

995
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: that the waxes flowing up the wick it is then burning.

996
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: The wick itself is not. It does burn, you are correct,

997
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: it is eventually the wick itself is eventually consumed. And

998
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: when the candle gets down to the very very bottom

999
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: and all of that wax is burned up, the wick

1000
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: itself does is completely consumed, and then the fire goes

1001
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: out because it's got no more fuel because it's on

1002
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: a metal basin. That's why your house doesn't burn up.

1003
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: But then again, we don't use candles to light our house,

1004
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: thank god, thank goodness, I'm not here anyway. But theoretically,

1005
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: the same thing happens when the human body catches fire

1006
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: because of a spark. So your clothing typically is made

1007
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: from cotton fibers as well as other fibers, which can

1008
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: be flammable, and a lot of things these days are not.

1009
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: But if we look back in history, that was not

1010
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: so much the case. Pure cotton all the way, baby,

1011
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: it's the best stuff for burning. And what would happen

1012
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: is that there would be a spark, the cotton fabric

1013
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: would start to burn and be not an open flame

1014
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: but more of an ember kind of scenario where it's

1015
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: just slowly burning. That would burn the skin, that would

1016
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: split the skin, allowing the subcutaneous layer of fat that

1017
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: we all have underneath our skin to be exposed to

1018
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: the heat and it starts melting, and that creates the

1019
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: same wick effect, where that fatty, that fat that has

1020
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: been turned into a liquid form, is now flowing up

1021
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: into the fabric, and that's sustaining the flame, right, And

1022
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: it's sustaining the flames. So the fats are burning, not

1023
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: so much the fabric, and as the flame deepens and grows,

1024
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: it's absorbing more and more and more of those fats. Now,

1025
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: the muscles in your body have much less fat, but

1026
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: they do have fats and acids in them, and those

1027
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: things are flammable. And there's also the fact that, well,

1028
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: your body is made up, as we talked about before,

1029
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot of water. But if this flame is going on,

1030
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: and this takes hours and hours and hours to happen,

1031
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: what's happening is that the fats are waking away, and

1032
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: in the heat of this fire, the moisture that is

1033
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: left behind is able to evaporate. It's one of the

1034
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: reasons that a lot of these scenes have this this

1035
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: gross sooty spell because all, yeah, it's all this this

1036
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: literally human condensation on the walls and the ceilings because

1037
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: it's evaporated out of the body. This it is grows

1038
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: and this theory every time I read it until I

1039
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: found this one study, I thought that's utter crap. Then

1040
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: you watched the thing. Volunteers the study, well they they

1041
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: were they were brought in by the truck clothes not really.

1042
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: So here's what the deal is. There is a British show,

1043
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: a BBC has a show, or used to have a show.

1044
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: I think it might actually be back again, but it's

1045
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: q e ed and they would look into all these

1046
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: questions and stuff and they set up an experiment where

1047
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: they took up the body of a pig and they

1048
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: wrapped into a blanket and then they lit it on fire. Yes,

1049
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: the pig was dead, and they used a pig because

1050
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: pigs are great stand ins for humans because we're built

1051
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: the same, and it turns out people act like them

1052
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: a lot. So it's a one to one exchange for science.

1053
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: And the research and the reading that I've done says

1054
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: that it wasn't easy to start the flame. It sounds

1055
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: like it took a multiple tries to get it, and

1056
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: they had the pig with a blanket on and in

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Speaker 1: a mocked room, you know, with a TV and a

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Speaker 1: bed and all these things, and it took multiple tries.

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Speaker 1: But once they got the pig going, it then sustained

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Speaker 1: a fire for about five hours and it consumed most

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Speaker 1: of the pig. So this seems to support that this

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Speaker 1: is possible. Now, there's all kinds of people out there

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Speaker 1: that poo poo this, and there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: issues with q e d S methods, and they were

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Speaker 1: by no means a scientific study, but it does show

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Speaker 1: that if done correctly and under the right circumstances, it

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Speaker 1: could happen. It totally could happen. You just gotta get

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Speaker 1: your subject to lay there catching fire for a long

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Speaker 1: enough period of time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Now they're

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Speaker 1: the whole host of people out there who have done

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Speaker 1: alternate studies trying to say because remember, like Mary and

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Speaker 1: Henry were both sitting in chairs, and those chairs were

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Speaker 1: partially consumed and not just like the outside of the

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Speaker 1: chairs were consumed, but but big hunks of the chairs

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Speaker 1: were burned up while big hunks were left behind. Well,

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01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: some other researchers have tried to replicate that by putting

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Speaker 1: something on the chair and lighting in on fire, making

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01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: small control sustained fires. And it's what they've say, they're

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: evidence shows is that it's very hard to do anything

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Speaker 1: in a small flame situation like that other than to

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Speaker 1: just burn the outer coating to to char it and

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Speaker 1: not just to catch the thing on fire and have

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Speaker 1: these great sagging holes of material that appear to be

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Speaker 1: left in cases of spontaneous human combustion. So there is

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Speaker 1: this contrary side of research. It's like, yo, dude, that

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: we we tried the other side of your sprayerman and

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to hold. I think the trick with

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Speaker 1: that is um because the pig one did have the

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Speaker 1: chair did get consumed in a similar fashion part of

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Speaker 1: the bed, yes, or part of this they didn't sit

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Speaker 1: up give the cigar. And so for me, part of

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Speaker 1: it is the fat. I mean, you know that is

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Speaker 1: the liquefying out of your body. Because you're burning, it's

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: also going to run places and then that will make

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01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: that material that much more flammable and it will pool

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: in certain areas which will then go up on fire,

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: and then that other one kind of comes into effect

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01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: where they're like, but it's hard. If there's not that accelerant,

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: it's hard for the chair to catch on fire. So

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01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: it just goes out. Yeah, you you're you're basically creating

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: a you've looked into We've all had those big candles

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Speaker 1: in our house, you know, with the where they create

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: that inch or so wide diameter a spot of hot

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Speaker 1: wax in the middle. And if you think about it,

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: if a human body is burning, the same thing is

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen. There's gonna be that hot well. And eventually,

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: if the wick were to last long enough, the wax

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: on the outside of that well would start to melt

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: in and then wit and then run up the wick

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01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: and continue. Doesn't always happen, but you know, I've had

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: candles that had a two inch deep well and then

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: suddenly they just start. The wax on the edges starts

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01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: just flooding in and it burns forever. It depending on

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: the consistency of the wax and the type of wax.

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01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: Most candles we get today are meant to not completely

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Speaker 1: be consumed, but it does happen. Uh. Now, there is

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Speaker 1: other questions here. If this is the case there are

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01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: general questions about spontaneous human combustion, and these are kind

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Speaker 1: of outside of the wick theory, but they're they're there

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Speaker 1: with it, so I include them here. Which is the bones.

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: We talked about this before, that people who are put

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Speaker 1: into you know, cremation oven, their bones don't completely disintegrate.

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Speaker 1: Yet these people who suffer spontaneous human combustion, it appears

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01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: that most of their bones are almost completely destroyed by

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: the fire. The stuff I've said, I've read, and the

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: stuff I've been thinking about it seems like there's a

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01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: couple of different reasons for that. One. It's not necessarily

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: the heat of the flame, but more so the duration.

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: So a cremation takes around three hours, and these fires

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: tend to seem to go for about six to eight,

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: so it's under sustained heat for a longer time frame.

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01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: Of course, that heat is going to do a better

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01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: job of melting things like the bone marrow and having

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: it wick out, which then leaves a hollow, brittle structure

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: that can then be broken down. There is also a

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Speaker 1: lot of research that says not only are the suffer

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Speaker 1: the people who are going to experience what appears to

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: be spontaneous human combustion elderly, but a lot of them

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01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: appear to be women. And in these cases of women,

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: what they've done is they've studied the bones of women,

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01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: and they have figured out that osteoporosis is an issue.

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: We all know this for ladies. This is a problem

1143
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: in later life if you're not careful about it. And

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01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: the bones of women who suffer from osteoporosis put under

1145
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: fire become much more brittle, and they break down much

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01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 1: more easily than someone who is not who hasn't lived

1147
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: with that and so and and now we kicked this

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01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: back to twenty plus year, twenty years back when there

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01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: was no research to say you need to do this

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: to prevent it. A lot of ladies experience that, which

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01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: means they all were then much more susceptible to not

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: evely the dangers of broken bones. But if they had

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion, their bones were gonna just disintegrate under fire.

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Of course, by the time that happens, you're you know,

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: all burned up anyway, So what do you care? Right,

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: But it explains why the bones aren't just sitting around.

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: Why is there not just femurs and shoulder but or

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01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: not femers, but shoulder bones and spines and ramps and

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: all that. Like, you know, why aren't they just the

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: game of operation with ash around it. Yeah, that's that's

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: really where that's going. Yeah, yeah, so there you go. Yeah.

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: Well then there's other things. There's other questions here that

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: people are asking, which is things like why is it

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: that the lower legs and the extremities the hands and

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: part of the forearms are left behind? Well, that is

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: one one good point is that there's not a lot

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01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: of fat in those parts of the body. Uh, there's this.

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Speaker 1: This also cracks me up, is that the other explanation

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: that I get on the Internet is there's this thing

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01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: called temperature gradient for the body parts. And really, what

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: I think this is supposed to boil down too, is

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01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: heat to surface area. There's less surface area on your

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: hand and your your wrist, then there is, say to

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: your abdomen, because it's a much bigger area, so it

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01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: can retain heat, it can cook longer, you can burn more.

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: But according to the Internet, at least in one place

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: I found, which is freaking awesome, says oh yeah, no,

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: that's because those body parts in that temperature gradient. They're

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: burning in the wrong direction, because according to the Internet,

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01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: if you light a match and you turn it upside

1181
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: down so flame, you know, the flamy bit is pointed down,

1182
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: it will go out. I have I have burned myself

1183
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: way too many times din get around with matches to

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: believe that. So I think the temperature gradient part is

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: literally less fat less surface area, and not they're pointing

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: the wrong way. Well especially, it usually seems to be

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: legs or a leg at least to survive, and those

1188
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: tend to be lower down, and of course the heat

1189
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: all rises, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise. I

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: suppose that's a leg or two might survive. And you

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: know a lot of times the reason that hands don't

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: survive you got them in your lap. Maybe well you've

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: got them in your lap or on your chest or

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: on your abdomen in some way, shape or form, and

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01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: so they're on top of that larger heat source and

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: so they are then consumed. So okay, So my my

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: general takeaway, and I don't and YouTube can tell me

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. My general take away from this

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,480
Speaker 1: is that I don't think that people just randomly ignite.

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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: I do think that they are in some way incapacitated.

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01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: And it to me the external source of fire is

1202
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: something like a furnace or a fireplace or a cigarette.

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01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: And I personally am actually interested to see what's going

1204
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: to happen and say the next years for cases of

1205
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion is fewer and fewer people smoke, and

1206
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: there are fewer and fewer open flame sources are available

1207
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: in the home to see, you know, do do the

1208
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: cases continue steady or do they go down? Or do

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: they go up? I'm I'm curious to see. I have

1210
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: a feeling that you're going to go down. Well, I mean,

1211
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: instead we have cell phones that ignite, Yes, but that

1212
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: would that would leave a tell tale bit of evidence

1213
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: of if you've got a cell phone with a lithium

1214
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: battery right underneath your body. Yeah, maybe, I mean it

1215
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: could burn all the way up. Maybe he really obvious

1216
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: that his butt caught on fire because he had his iPhone. Yeah, no,

1217
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but I agree. I think, you know, the

1218
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: this body burning up phenomenon is real, But I think

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of external factors that we

1220
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: can use to explain it doesn't Yeah, fire didn't just

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. Unfortunately. No, No, I think that

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: I think the idea is very titilating. It's fun, it's entertaining,

1223
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: it's it draws you in and oh my god, this

1224
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: could happen, but it's kind of supernatural, you know, it's

1225
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: that kind of guess people. I also think that a

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: lot of time, certain details get omitted, and we see

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: this all the time and stories and I think that

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: I whose story was that I said this before? It's

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: to sell newspapers, and I think that was I think

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: it was your last Joe's I think. But yeah, but

1231
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: it's it's all to sell newspapers, you know. That's that's

1232
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: what they're doing. So they cut, they curtail the facts.

1233
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: But that that is all that we have on spontaneous

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01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: human combustion. By the way, if you want to know more,

1235
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: South Park did do an episode on this phenomenon, the

1236
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: hard hitting documentary. Yeah. Well, then it turns out a

1237
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: different theory about it. Well, it also turns out that

1238
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Elvis wrote a song about this, So there is that

1239
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: out there above by Elvis. Yeah, and there's there's earth,

1240
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: wind and fire. They're really all motivated by all their

1241
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: songs were motivated by spontaneous human combustion. Let's not forget

1242
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: cheap Trick had their big comeback yet you know what

1243
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,520
Speaker 1: the course was, I will be the flying Yes. Yeah.

1244
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: Chariots of Fire also based on people in chariots who

1245
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: caught on fire sultaneously. Well, we see that every time

1246
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: you see a clip from that movie. Those guys are running,

1247
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: running their asses off. What are they running from? Trying?

1248
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: It's wet, so they don't bird? Yeah, So okay, Stevan's

1249
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: got the look of she doesn't agree with this. Devon's

1250
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: got that look of wrapped us up guys, stid kind

1251
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: of yeah, okay, okay. Well, if you have thoughts about

1252
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: spontaneous human combustion and you want to share them with us,

1253
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: or you want to share a story, suggestion, or just

1254
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: about anything else, feel free to send us an email.

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: That email address is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Uh.

1256
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: It does take us a while sometimes to get back

1257
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: to emails, so please be aware there's a lot of

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: emails coming in, but we will get to you as

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01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: quickly as we can. This episode is available for download

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01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: or streaming, along with the some of the research links

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Speaker 1: to it, as well as all of our prior episodes

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: on our website. The website is thinking sideways podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: On the website, you're gonna find on the right hand

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Speaker 1: So we have a chronological list of all episodes that

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Speaker 1: you can spend through rather than going page by page

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Speaker 1: on the site itself. We also have on their links

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Speaker 1: to places that you can find us, because of course

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Speaker 1: you can get us off the our website, but people

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Speaker 1: know where they like to listen to us through. So

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Speaker 1: you can do it through Google Play, you could do

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Speaker 1: it through iTunes, you can do it through Stitcher or

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Speaker 1: Stitcher Premium. Links to all that on our website. If

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Speaker 1: you're using one of those sources and they allow you

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Speaker 1: to subscribe and leave a rating and a comment, please

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Speaker 1: do positive ratings and reviews, help others find us. And

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Speaker 1: if you are a Stitcher user but you are not

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Speaker 1: a Stitcher Premium member, I'd encourage you to do to

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Speaker 1: become one because we are on Stitcher Premium and by

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Speaker 1: joining what you get is you get all of our

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Speaker 1: episodes four days early, you get them add free, and

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Speaker 1: we put out bonus content once a month. A yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's all available to you as a Stitcher Premium member.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to do that, you want to

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Speaker 1: get a hold of those benefits, go to stitcher dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Thinking Sideways, enter the promo code sideways, and

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Speaker 1: if you sign up for the twelve month plan, you

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Speaker 1: get one month free. Yeah it's yeah, it's totally affordable.

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Speaker 1: It's totally awesome. I know a lot of people, even

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Speaker 1: our mods are doing it, which is really funny because

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Speaker 1: they're like, I totally know what everybody's gonna talk about. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: no spoilers, guys. Okay, where else are we were? On

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Speaker 1: social media? We've got a Facebook page. We got a

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Speaker 1: Facebook group, so like the page, joined the group. If

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Speaker 1: you want to join the group, you gotta answer the questions.

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Speaker 1: They're super easy. I think you can figure it out.

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Speaker 1: But lots of fun discussions happening there. So not only

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Speaker 1: are we on Facebook, but we are on Reddit. We've

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Speaker 1: got Subreddit. We're on Twitter where we are Thinking Sideways,

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Speaker 1: where Devon puts out all kinds of funny content. We

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Speaker 1: are also on Instagram where you're Thinking Sideways podcast, so

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Speaker 1: you can get the show links as well as other

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Speaker 1: funny photos that Devon puts up. Steve sometimes put stuff

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Speaker 1: up to I occasionally put stuff up. Did the microphone

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Speaker 1: sock photo go up? I don't know. Oh, we need

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Speaker 1: to make sure that goes up, because that was that

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Speaker 1: was I came up with a pretty clever way to

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Speaker 1: keep my p sounds down on a microphone. I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting that pop filter repers cross. Oh it's it's not gross.

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Speaker 1: It was freshly laundered. Okay. So oh, I think that

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Speaker 1: is all of the places that you can find us,

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Speaker 1: support us, do all the awesome things that you want

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Speaker 1: to do. Um, I don't have anything else to share here.

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Speaker 1: We're over an hour and I didn't think spontaneous human

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Speaker 1: combustion could go on that long. So we should put

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Speaker 1: this fire out, spray some Seltzer water on it, and

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Speaker 1: call it done. So until next week, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: flame on, I got nothing that was really watered down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank god,