Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
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Speaker 3: Done Done, Hello and welcome back to That's Messed Up
Speaker 3: n SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger. We talk SVU
Speaker 2: true crime. We have celeb gas at first, sweet chit chat.
Speaker 2: Get used to it. Listen. I have a little Apple
Speaker 2: Juice book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say you drinking a little honest kids.
Speaker 2: Well, because sometimes when I order delivery, I don't want
Speaker 2: a fountain drink or caffeine like late at night, so
Speaker 2: I'll pick the apple juice or it was it was
Speaker 2: a McDonald's fist and I picked the apple juice because
Speaker 2: I didn't want I want better coffee. I didn't want
Speaker 2: a soda in the morning, you know. And I didn't
Speaker 2: want a milk or a chocolate milk. And I have
Speaker 2: tons of water bottles.
Speaker 1: These are the kind of juices I get for all
Speaker 1: my kids parties, and the kids always like want them,
Speaker 1: and then they drink like two SIPs and then leave
Speaker 1: them because they are very they're quite watery, right, Like
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, Well.
Speaker 2: I'm an adult, so like I don't know, maybe i'm
Speaker 2: looking oh yeah, no added sugar, but I like yeah,
Speaker 2: apple sauce. So like maybe I didn't I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: noticed if you didn't say anything. But maybe if I
Speaker 2: had a Martinelli's next to me, I would.
Speaker 1: Write like, compared to like a martinettal at least or
Speaker 1: I mean or compared to like a Caprice Son. You
Speaker 1: can put put out Caprice Sons at a party. Those
Speaker 1: things are wrong out within an inch of their lives.
Speaker 1: Well that wouldn't be ap Oh my god.
Speaker 2: If I can get what is it a cool it's
Speaker 2: not a cool ranch, but they have one that's like
Speaker 2: a cool name that it's fucking good.
Speaker 4: But I love fruit punch too. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm drinking those at parties because a lot of
Speaker 1: parties for kids, they're only if they're putting out parent drinks,
Speaker 1: they're only putting out specific cooler. But if they only
Speaker 1: put out Lacroix at a party, I'm going for the
Speaker 1: Caprice Sons or the juice boxes because I don't like
Speaker 1: carbonated Uh, I like soda, like straight up like full
Speaker 1: fat coke, but I don't like uh seltzers.
Speaker 2: I knew someone that lived in Chicago and they had
Speaker 2: like a cruise themed party at their house and with syringes,
Speaker 2: they may they put vodka into the caprice sons.
Speaker 1: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a fun little idea. Syringes you got to do.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to bring a syringe into my life,
Speaker 2: Like that's not really I don't need that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we need syringes, But you.
Speaker 4: Know what I need.
Speaker 2: I want fancy jungle juice. When I go out to drink,
Speaker 2: like people just start doing jungle juice, high end jungle
Speaker 2: juice high end, Like yeah, I want to go to
Speaker 2: a nice ass rest and order a jungle juice and
Speaker 2: be like wait, what is this and like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And it just tastes like punch, but it gets you
Speaker 1: like super fucked up after like two. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that's like the sangrias I used to get at Alta
Speaker 1: in the city. I used to get two and they
Speaker 1: were light light pink, like you know, it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be red sangria, but it was like light pink,
Speaker 1: light purple.
Speaker 4: So fucked. Like, if I had two, I was wasted.
Speaker 1: If I had three, it was like, get me a cab,
Speaker 1: I gotta go home, Like they were love that.
Speaker 2: I love when you can go somewhere and just have
Speaker 2: two drinks that are well balanced, not sweet, you like sweet,
Speaker 2: but like just boozy, delicious, refreshing in your fucks. That's
Speaker 2: why I like Tiki, because I get fucked at Tiki
Speaker 2: and they're like good and delicious and there's you know,
Speaker 2: a dolphin shaped out of a banana.
Speaker 4: You gotta love that.
Speaker 1: Definitely. This episode is coming out like in the in
Speaker 1: later in Augus, I'm like, what's that. Well, Virgo season
Speaker 1: is a mom it's happening. Yeah, it's upon us. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like almost there. It's almost there. We're a couple
Speaker 1: eaves away or something. I think it's like the twenty
Speaker 1: first or twenty second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Virgo season is in full of fat,
Speaker 2: Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1: You know, shit like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But August, I mean for kids, it's like school. So
Speaker 2: my mom said, like, we're you know where we're from.
Speaker 2: Every every everyone went to school on September first. That
Speaker 2: was the first day of school, and it was what
Speaker 2: it was like no matter what, it didn't matter what. Well,
Speaker 2: it's communism, but yeah, right September first, and everyone brings
Speaker 2: flowers for.
Speaker 1: That, I mean, bring the communism to La Baby Rosi's
Speaker 1: first day of school is August fourteenth.
Speaker 4: I mean she's not gonna be there for it, but.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's uh, it's so early, Like August is
Speaker 1: crazy for school. Yeah, I thought you'd be happy because
Speaker 1: you like your kids out of the house. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but I guess you're already be at camp. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like we do camp, we do stuff in the summer,
Speaker 1: and it's just I just feel like it's also sad
Speaker 1: to be like at school, Like even they start going
Speaker 1: to sleep away camp, it's not even over until like
Speaker 1: the seventeenth, you know what I mean, in the sixteenth
Speaker 1: or something. So I don't know, like they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to be late for school like every year of their lives.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Right now, I'm doing it
Speaker 1: because they're so young, and like what could they possibly
Speaker 1: be learning on the first day of like you know,
Speaker 1: pre k that's going to really matter too bad, But
Speaker 1: like I don't know, later when it's like sixth grade,
Speaker 1: they might be like I was late for school and
Speaker 1: I missed like this paper I had to write.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always tell the teachers, I go, send me the work,
Speaker 1: send me the work for the rising first grader. Apparently
Speaker 1: the homework is really going to be pumped up next year.
Speaker 2: I'm so against homework for children. I'm so against school
Speaker 2: starting before Labor Day weekend. I think it should be
Speaker 2: post Labor Day weekend until Memorial Day weekend. And if
Speaker 2: you can't teach what you need to teach without homework
Speaker 2: in that time, then we need to like restructure. I
Speaker 2: mean whatever, education's over, so it doesn't matter. We don't
Speaker 2: have to stop. I know, teachers, listen. I wish you
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, everybody, don't forget to go to our Instagram
Speaker 1: highlight that's called teachers, and you can find a link
Speaker 1: in there to like our Google sheet that has all
Speaker 1: of the TMU listeners who are teachers that need help
Speaker 1: with their wish lists. Because we do appreciate teachers, but
Speaker 1: it is a difficult job. And a woman that ran
Speaker 1: a wrestling company is in charge of you right now,
Speaker 1: so we understand that's tough. I'm getting a heavy yesterday.
Speaker 1: I had really been avoiding it. My parents really have
Speaker 1: been cool about the Fox News, But yesterday I got
Speaker 1: a heavy dose of it when I was watching when
Speaker 1: I was making dinner for my kids and they were
Speaker 1: just watching it, and I was just like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's all this like what about is them? Like yeah,
Speaker 1: but the right makes fun of the like the left
Speaker 1: makes fun of the right. Also, It's like sure, sure,
Speaker 1: but like if you go on CNN or MSNBC, you
Speaker 1: do not hear the same tone. The way they talk
Speaker 1: about Democrats on Fox News is as if they are
Speaker 1: the scum of the earth. And I want to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's like all your kids to my parents
Speaker 1: want to be like that's all your kids, that's all
Speaker 1: your my mom's brothers and sisters, like they all like
Speaker 1: everybody votes Democrats. Like they talk about people like they
Speaker 1: are cockroaches, Like there's like a sneering like well, negativity.
Speaker 2: They have to start this because once all the like
Speaker 2: Mexican people and brown people are locked up, they're going
Speaker 2: to turn towards any dissenters, you know, Like I don't know, we.
Speaker 4: Just have it's like color by numbers.
Speaker 2: It's like we really know all the pieces, and it's
Speaker 2: just like hoping they take longer or we get out,
Speaker 2: Like when do we get out? Like I don't. It's
Speaker 2: like crazy, like people are taken. There's a secret police.
Speaker 2: He's firing anyone that disagrees with him. People are getting assassinated.
Speaker 2: There's nothing real. They're shutting down anything that's good for society,
Speaker 2: and it's just.
Speaker 1: Like hey, guys, like what the fuck? But yeah, of.
Speaker 4: Course they don't want them to think that we're people.
Speaker 1: I just like put me in such a bad mood
Speaker 1: and I had to watch it for fifteen minutes, like
Speaker 1: cause it's just like my it's an open kitchen, Like
Speaker 1: I you know, I had no choice.
Speaker 2: Did you know what you have to do? What you
Speaker 2: have to go into the parental controls. You have to
Speaker 2: shut it off before you leave and be like what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? You should call the cable car
Speaker 2: like you gotta just act like you have no idea.
Speaker 1: They'll figure out. Trust me, every time we say can
Speaker 1: you turn it off? Because they'll turn it off in
Speaker 1: front of the kids. They're not they don't have it
Speaker 1: on in front of the kids. They'll my dad goes
Speaker 1: out and watches it on his computer. I mean, he'll
Speaker 1: watch it on his phone, Like I would have to
Speaker 1: shut down so many different ways. It is a full
Speaker 1: addiction at this point, like how much right wing news
Speaker 1: that he is consuming, Like.
Speaker 4: Damn, you're right, and it puts everyone in a bad mood.
Speaker 4: They want people pissed.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, yeah, they're pissed, Yeah, piss it's
Speaker 2: just because that's my thing. You've won it all. You
Speaker 2: have the guy in charge, you have all of the conger.
Speaker 2: Everything is closing. Rights are closing in. Brown people are
Speaker 2: being you know, put into camps. They've truly got everything
Speaker 2: they could ever want, and they are still pissed.
Speaker 4: Off and they're just like Plan A Democrats.
Speaker 2: Still it's yea, your guy's in charge with everything, he
Speaker 2: still fucking hates you.
Speaker 4: You grow up, you fucked.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't.
Speaker 4: Did I talk about how I watched The Hunt?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: What's the Hunt?
Speaker 1: So it's Betty Gilpin, your husband's favorite actress. And it
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean there's like really corny elements and like a
Speaker 2: little too okay, guys, but I really enjoyed it and
Speaker 2: I would watch it again and it's gory and fun
Speaker 2: and oh Yeah, it's cool. Don't say one of the people,
Speaker 2: don't say any other actors. Someone's a surprise. I guess
Speaker 2: I could look it up. It doesn't matter. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like rich people. It's like they hunt people for fun.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the classic storyline, rich people. They're taking
Speaker 2: you and they're gonna shoot you. But there's like twists
Speaker 2: and turns that are like silly and I don't know.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I feel like maybe it's just because.
Speaker 4: But it's because she's incredible.
Speaker 2: I will say that without her, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: like Betty Gilpin is a star beyond belief, a true
Speaker 2: act like I can't she was incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't talk to anybody that saw her
Speaker 1: and O Mary, I was wondering how that was gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see it again on Monday. It's yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get a full review. We'll all
Speaker 2: be sitting at the edge of our seats. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I heard about this movie. I did too, and thought
Speaker 2: nothing of it, and then and then I don't know
Speaker 2: what made well. I know I'm doing like in the Woods,
Speaker 2: comedy horror short and so many words, but yeah, so
Speaker 2: I wanted to watch like.
Speaker 1: And get into theme.
Speaker 2: Yeah this isn't the theme truly, but no, no, but
Speaker 2: I just wanted to like see like fear running away,
Speaker 2: you know, like kind of just yeah, running past trees,
Speaker 2: falling over sticks. I like hate that we talked to
Speaker 2: all these good actors on our podcast because it's like
Speaker 2: I just am constantly think I'm not doing enough, and
Speaker 2: I feel guilty all the time because all these motherfuckers
Speaker 2: talk about is preparation and how to be prepared and
Speaker 2: how much they love working with people that are prepared.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, like can do it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I just it's hard to get me to work,
Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, uh, I'm a it's I am
Speaker 2: not good at work.
Speaker 1: But I think also there's something to be said with
Speaker 1: like a comedian using their flair for improv. You know. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: they're even though Ipher Maloney didn't like Kathy Griffin doing
Speaker 1: it on the show, I think somebody, you know, I think.
Speaker 4: There's they definitely got a bargain.
Speaker 2: They're gonna get a lot for a little Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make up all these They're gonna love it.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're not gonna believe all these little lines
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna bring.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't, They're gonna love it. I truly believe that.
Speaker 1: Does dollar store have a clearance bin? That's where I'm at,
Speaker 1: clearance at the dollar store.
Speaker 2: But I'm also kind of an outside so it's like
Speaker 2: me and this guy are outsiders. But then the director
Speaker 2: and star are our brother and sister, and the star
Speaker 2: wrote it. And then the director's wife's in it too. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: family affair. Family affair. And then I'll be with one
Speaker 2: other dude in a van. You never know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's a comedian that gotten another comedian's car. They were
Speaker 2: like driving to a show together, and this guy put
Speaker 2: on headphones, plugged it into his laptop and started.
Speaker 1: Working, like writing jokes or edited. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he was doing, but ignored for hours. That's insane behavior.
Speaker 1: It is that people we deal with. Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: these are who we are facing off with every day.
Speaker 1: You more than me. But when I do get a
Speaker 1: little glimpse and I'm like, wow, insane people. Yeah, We're
Speaker 1: like trying to have dinner with an old friend here
Speaker 1: that lives out in Connecticut, who but stand up in
Speaker 1: the city, who you know, can't get, can't nail and die.
Speaker 1: He's like, I got sponsored the city that night. I
Speaker 1: got spots to the city that I were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I give up. We're done trying. Like we're not going
Speaker 1: to try anymore.
Speaker 4: No, just like Heart of Adulthood, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's just busy until they're not. Yeah, my pet
Speaker 2: peeve is I have a friend who's always like, oh
Speaker 2: and you didn't call me, And I'm like, well, now
Speaker 2: I'll definitely never call you.
Speaker 1: Should we just get into today's episode. We've got a
Speaker 1: good episode coming out, you know what. I will say.
Speaker 2: One SVW themed thing, that viral TikTok dance, the line
Speaker 2: dance of the Sview theme is the best one I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. It has taken over to the point where
Speaker 2: now when I hear the theme song, I think of
Speaker 2: that dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It really was so fun. Yeah, and they Rollins
Speaker 1: and Benson did it, but fun. Yeah, they were a
Speaker 1: little off the beat and benches you could see her counting, but.
Speaker 2: Like you could have taken another couple hours. No, it
Speaker 2: was cool to see him. It's like it reminds you
Speaker 2: they're just like kind of fun moms, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, Like we see these characters and they're
Speaker 2: multifaceted and bad ass, but then it's like they're just silly,
Speaker 2: silly moms learning a TikTok dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like part of me when I see those videos,
Speaker 1: what I think happens and this is just a scenario
Speaker 1: I create in my mind is that like a young
Speaker 1: social media manager goes, guys, here's what we have to
Speaker 1: have you do. This is gonna be amazing, this is
Speaker 1: going to break the internet, and Marishka is like down, down, down,
Speaker 1: like she is like already started working on the choreo.
Speaker 1: And my feeling is that Kelly Giddish is a little
Speaker 1: bit like yeah, yeah, let's do it, you know, like
Speaker 1: and then in the videos she always seems a little
Speaker 1: bit like cool and then I do a guitar strum
Speaker 1: and then I like she doesn't seem like she kind
Speaker 1: of wants to be doing like the little videos. But Marishka,
Speaker 1: I know, like did like a Pamela Pumpkin and it's
Speaker 1: like always down with engaging with the culture online. So
Speaker 1: oh and then all the social media person goes got
Speaker 1: it and then posts.
Speaker 2: Do you think the social media person wants one more?
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, we're we were going I.
Speaker 4: Think we got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they're like because they're like, they're one
Speaker 1: take on the show all the time, so I think
Speaker 1: they probably are like, can we get it one more
Speaker 1: time for safety, and they're probably like, nope.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, one take is psychotic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: My YouTube is just filled with little, you know, little
Speaker 2: bits of actors talking and the guy what's his name,
Speaker 2: Eli Roth? Mm hmmm, so for his uh, what's the
Speaker 2: bear character? And an inglorious bastard's the Jewish bear? What
Speaker 2: was his name? He's a real name, Donnie Donowitz, the
Speaker 2: bear jew okay yea, yeah yeah. So that they were
Speaker 2: shooting and then and that they kept him in the
Speaker 2: cave for like three or four days, so he kept
Speaker 2: thinking it was going to be his turn, and then
Speaker 2: they would wrap for the day and they never let
Speaker 2: him out of the cave for days. So by the
Speaker 2: time he got out of the cave, that's why he's
Speaker 2: so fucking amped.
Speaker 1: Jesus crazy like forced method acting like what is that?
Speaker 1: That's so nuts?
Speaker 2: I just can't believe Quentin Tarantino is like such a
Speaker 2: heavy part of the Valley, Like, wait, are you watching
Speaker 2: the Valley, Casey or you retired after vander Pump.
Speaker 5: I've popped in a little bit, but seeing Jax Taylor
Speaker 5: is too dark. He's an evil presence. It's so yeah,
Speaker 5: it's hard for me to engage. After you said I
Speaker 5: think carry you said he's like the prototype for a
Speaker 5: family annihilator or something.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, well we saw somebody say that online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't get that out of my head.
Speaker 5: So I haven't really been watching.
Speaker 1: Like Also, what creeped me out so hard was like
Speaker 1: his him, I don't watch the Valley, but I know
Speaker 1: the characters, and I get enough through like the osmosis
Speaker 1: of the blogs and andst does that I follow or whatever.
Speaker 4: He looked exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Same in his reunion of the Valley talking about apologizing
Speaker 1: to Brittany as he does, as he did on vander
Speaker 1: Pump when he was like a decade younger apologizing for
Speaker 1: cheating on Stasse with her best friend.
Speaker 4: Like the man does not learn.
Speaker 1: He has no capability of self reflection or accountability.
Speaker 4: He is a sociopath.
Speaker 1: I think like he literally goes, yeah, and I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry for that and I'm sorry and I apologize to
Speaker 1: you for that, and he's rolling his eyes while he
Speaker 1: does it, like he is so like a ghost.
Speaker 2: There's like a social media therapist. And she was saying
Speaker 2: that like when sociopastern they're like, oh, I thought they
Speaker 2: don't care about anyone, and it's like, well, they don't
Speaker 2: care about anybody else. They care about themselves and like
Speaker 2: what's going to happen to them? And I think about that.
Speaker 2: With him, it's it's like he is disgusting. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: life for the house has the son living somewhere else,
Speaker 2: like thinking he's a good day.
Speaker 1: Why would she let you be with your son? And
Speaker 1: every apology has like a butt after it. It's always like,
Speaker 1: but you should have were I mean, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: were doing this and you were drinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but maybe you should watch it, Casey. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the reunion and I have
Speaker 2: to watch the Loss Culture Resa's Awards, Like I know
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 1: I really want to see that. The memes coming out
Speaker 1: of that are making me laugh so hard. It's so cool.
Speaker 1: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: It gives me the same vibe as Oh Mary, where
Speaker 2: it's like non compromising, doing things that are fun, that
Speaker 2: make you feel good, and then it becoming like this thing.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Lost Culturesa's Award just remind me of like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like signing each other's yearbooks in high
Speaker 1: school and it's all just like inside fucking jokes that
Speaker 1: like no one else would get.
Speaker 4: It just feels like it's that's what they said.
Speaker 2: They're like it was just like an inside joke on
Speaker 2: our podcast, but they said that their fans are as
Speaker 2: crazy as maybe Swifty Level or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm trying to remember what the rule of
Speaker 1: culture was. Was that way the awards came from the
Speaker 1: rules of culture, didn't they? Or no, yeah, separate yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, mule culture And then it was just like
Speaker 2: voting like on the podcast and it was just like
Speaker 2: a podcast and they would have episodes announcing the winners
Speaker 2: on the pod.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just love like all of the like
Speaker 1: the Renee Wrap Award for Greatness and Lesbianism and like
Speaker 1: all like they're like the way that the awards are
Speaker 1: based on other people too, is like so funny.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It it feels like I don't know, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's for me, Like it's I when did you know
Speaker 1: the culture was for you?
Speaker 4: The last culture is the awards.
Speaker 1: It's for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like it's like it's like silly and serious,
Speaker 2: Like they take so much time to craft these funny things,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't take themselves seriously. Like I think they're
Speaker 2: all just geniuses that work so hard, but it is
Speaker 2: so stupid.
Speaker 1: But also it's like a send up of award shows.
Speaker 1: And award shows are so silly, like they I mean
Speaker 1: I watch them same as anybody else, but like they
Speaker 1: are such like a silly self congratulatory and like when
Speaker 1: Muna didn't win the Lesbian Award, they were like mad.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was so funn like
Speaker 1: everything was a bit like I really liked that, Like
Speaker 1: because the award shows take themselves too seriously, and and
Speaker 1: talk shows like Late Night takes itself too seriously. And
Speaker 1: that's why people like Andy Cohen because he he honestly
Speaker 1: doesn't take it as seriously. Although I saw Carol back
Speaker 1: on back in the Clubhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the Matt and Bowen episode. I watched
Speaker 2: it it was phenomenal, it was fun. It was fun.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm gonna Rava Hollicks and it is what.
Speaker 1: It is now.
Speaker 4: People want Ninni back in. But let's get now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let's get started.
Speaker 1: We yeah, we've already done our last show, so nothing
Speaker 1: to promote.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, Today, we are doing the episode Street Revenge from
Speaker 1: season thirteen, the first post Maloney. Ooh, that's funny, post
Speaker 1: Maloney post Maloney season episode nineteen. This came out in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, in April of twenty twelve, so this episode
Speaker 1: starts a little bit differently. They do not give us
Speaker 1: the thrill of a rollerblader falling onto a dead body. Instead,
Speaker 1: it is a girl being loaded into an ambulance, with
Speaker 1: Olivia already talking to her softly about how she's going
Speaker 1: to be in touch. Okay, So Benson is joined by
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and they're talking about how this girl might be
Speaker 1: the fifth victim of a serial rapist. Samemo pushes them
Speaker 1: down from behind, cuts a handful of their hair. We
Speaker 1: just did a hair episode, like we just did it
Speaker 1: two episodes ago. Wet, how was the hair criminal? And
Speaker 1: then he says to them, you think you're special bitch okay.
Speaker 1: They think he's all the victims can't really see him
Speaker 1: because they push him from behind. He pushes them from behind,
Speaker 1: but they think he's white with a dark hoodie. They're
Speaker 1: in West Soho, a neighborhood I have never heard referenced
Speaker 1: as such, like Soho itself is a quite a small
Speaker 1: neighborhood and to be like oh in West Soho, and
Speaker 1: they go back and forth between calling it Soho and
Speaker 1: West Soho the whole time, which is so funny to me.
Speaker 1: It is a small, small neighborhood, like I looked it
Speaker 1: up on Google Maps, and Soho is only like four
Speaker 1: avenues and like eight blocks. It's very a small area.
Speaker 1: So there's a big crowd of people gathered and a
Speaker 1: reporter is asking them if the West Soho rapist has
Speaker 1: struck again. It's like the West so okay. Anyway, the
Speaker 1: reporter is British and bitchy, and he's like still nothing,
Speaker 1: detective and Live gives her, gives one of her classic
Speaker 1: withering looks and goes, let us do our job, and
Speaker 1: he gets right on camera to clown the NYPD for
Speaker 1: being clueless, and then back at the precinct, munch is
Speaker 1: looking at a sketch that could literally be any man
Speaker 1: on the planet, Like it's like racially ambiguous, Like it's
Speaker 1: like a man with a nose and a chin, like
Speaker 1: there's no defining characteristics. And the problem is no one
Speaker 1: gets a good look at the guy, no witnesses, no footage,
Speaker 1: like they just they can't get the guy, Like he
Speaker 1: just disappears right after these crimes take place. And Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: is this guy invisible? And Benson's like, well, listen, the
Speaker 1: only subway nearby is the one train, Like this guy
Speaker 1: must be driving.
Speaker 4: The Holland Tunnel is right there.
Speaker 1: We're trying to pull video we're doing stopping frisks on
Speaker 1: white males, and Finn goes, well, that's a nice change
Speaker 1: of pace, and I'm like, see, I love the how
Speaker 1: At season thirteen, this show does no cops or racist
Speaker 1: Cragan wants the whole neighborhood flooded with coverage. Anyone on
Speaker 1: the streets after midnight better have an NYPD's pay stub
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 4: And then he goes, what are you waiting for?
Speaker 1: A hug? Goodbye?
Speaker 4: And this is cranky Kragan.
Speaker 1: This is like a very cranky Kragan part he's getting
Speaker 1: his ass ritten. Whenever there's a seial that they're not finding,
Speaker 1: you can tell the Commissioner's right up Cragan's butt. So
Speaker 1: Craigan pulls Live aside and goes the commissioner saw the
Speaker 1: coverage from the British boy whose name is Griscom And
Speaker 1: we actually have seen this man before. He is in
Speaker 1: the episode Lost Traveler. He is the sicko who hacked
Speaker 1: into the missing boy's phone in Lost Traveler to check
Speaker 1: his messages and then deleted some of them and gave
Speaker 1: the family hope that he was alive. Remember we and
Speaker 1: we researched a crime basey do you remember so fucked up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So now this guy he got a job as a
Speaker 1: reporter for NY three and has the audacity to shit
Speaker 1: talk SVU when he has actively hindered their investigation before. Like,
Speaker 1: I you know you want to kill this guy immediately
Speaker 1: if you can remember him anyway, Kraagan wants Live to
Speaker 1: come to this community Council meeting to do damage control,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'd rather work the case, captain, and
Speaker 1: he's like, it's not a request again, Cranky Craigan, but
Speaker 1: my thing, this is what I've been really sitting on.
Speaker 2: It's like, Craigan, you have been a captain for now
Speaker 2: thirty let's say fourteen years, and that's that's just captain.
Speaker 2: So you are a lieutenant and a sergeant and a
Speaker 2: cop and you don't know how to give a press conference?
Speaker 2: How did you get this start? Like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: glad to see live I want her always in action.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But to be the leader of your squad
Speaker 2: and be scared of press or journalists and fuck up
Speaker 2: is just so lame to me and weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I don't believe in him more.
Speaker 1: The writing would have also made more sense if it's like,
Speaker 1: I think women will take a warning more from a woman,
Speaker 1: Why don't you come and do this press conference? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like rather than bald, old white
Speaker 1: cop just saying stay off the streets anyway. At the meeting,
Speaker 1: Craigan is urging people to be cautious. And then this
Speaker 1: one white man in a sea of white people, like
Speaker 1: every single person in West Soho is white. They start yelling.
Speaker 1: They're like, so the rapist wins, these are our streets.
Speaker 1: And the crowd is pissed and they think Craigan is
Speaker 1: victim blaming and so Live has to take over, like
Speaker 1: we said, and like, surely they'll listen to her. I
Speaker 1: mean not really.
Speaker 4: They're still pretty mad.
Speaker 1: But at Liv's voiceover is urging women like be vigilant,
Speaker 1: like you know, don't walk alone on the streets. And
Speaker 1: of course we cut to a girl while Lives voiceovers
Speaker 1: playing a girl walking down the darkest, emptiest street I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in New York City, Like not a thing exists.
Speaker 1: This is like a warehouse district and nothing is Like
Speaker 1: I don't think there is a street this dark that
Speaker 1: exists in Soho, Like Soho has stuff on every street.
Speaker 1: And of course the attacker jumps out and goes, you're mine, bitch,
Speaker 1: and he starts attacking her until some guy in like
Speaker 1: a you can't really make him out, but he's in
Speaker 1: like some kind of nondescript superhero outfit shows up, pulls
Speaker 1: him off, punches the guy, and then chases him and
Speaker 1: that's credits.
Speaker 4: So wow, they've really set this up.
Speaker 1: We're looking for a serial rapist and now there's superheroes involved.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on? At the hospital, Rollins
Speaker 1: Tomorrow are talking to the victim. Her name is Claire
Speaker 1: and she's like, I shouldn't have done that. I saw
Speaker 1: the stories. I shouldn't have been out alone. I had
Speaker 1: a few drinks. And this actress is actually Veronica Dominsic,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, but
Speaker 1: she is the sister of Dagmara and Marika Dominsic, who
Speaker 1: have both been on SVU, and we just talked about
Speaker 1: them because Dagmara is married to I think Patrick Wilson
Speaker 1: and was just the episode in the in the Prog episode, right.
Speaker 1: So now we've really in the past like a couple months,
Speaker 1: hit all three of these sisters, and they've all been
Speaker 1: on a s few and I think Marika has been
Speaker 1: on a couple of times. She's the one who poisoned
Speaker 1: the chemistry poison Experience consent in the Tammy Blanchard episode.
Speaker 1: So we got a trio of sisters. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've seen that before, they've all been on this
Speaker 1: view anyway. Rollins is like, girl, it's not your fault
Speaker 1: that you got attacked, and the girl goes, you have
Speaker 1: to say that, and Rollins doesn't really say no. She's
Speaker 1: not like no, it's not no, it's she's like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do kind of blame you, and I do have
Speaker 1: to say that, And so I know we usually comment
Speaker 1: on Marishka's hair, but Rollin's hair this is her first season.
Speaker 1: The side bang is so aggressive. It starts like above
Speaker 1: her ear, I mean like she's pulling it over, like
Speaker 1: really really aggressively, and she tells them the girl clear goes, well,
Speaker 1: this guy didn't even actually rate me, like her face.
Speaker 4: Is fucked up, like he definitely hurt her.
Speaker 1: But she's like, he didn't actually rap me because that
Speaker 1: other guy stopped him. And she says the same stuff
Speaker 1: about her attacker, like hoodie, tan, construction jacket. Maybe he
Speaker 1: said you're mine, bitch. She goes, his voice sounded white,
Speaker 1: which I don't know, and then she tells them the rescue.
Speaker 1: The rescuer was in a crazy get up like a
Speaker 1: downtown superhero.
Speaker 4: She thought she was imagining things.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now back at the Precinct Risk Them is
Speaker 1: back on the air reporting on the sixth attack of
Speaker 1: the West. Soho rapist and Craigan wants to know what's
Speaker 1: up with the superhero, like, guy, what's happening? And liv says, well,
Speaker 1: say what you want to about this guy, but he
Speaker 1: clocked the rapist so hard he left blood at the
Speaker 1: crime scene, and Craigan's like, I'm not sold that this
Speaker 1: is the same guy, Like, some of the details are similar,
Speaker 1: but also our other rapist said your mind. This guy
Speaker 1: said your mind, bitch instead of you think you're special, bitch.
Speaker 1: Like it's close, but it's not the same. And it
Speaker 1: was the same for the first five you know. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, did he cut his her hair? And
Speaker 1: he's They're like, well, he didn't have a chance to
Speaker 1: cut it. So not everything's matching because the hair and
Speaker 1: some of these details have not been released to the press.
Speaker 1: So Craigan doesn't like vigilantes doing their job. So they
Speaker 1: found footage of the guy matching her description getting on
Speaker 1: the subway. They're going to go track down his Metro card.
Speaker 1: So now Rollins and Amarro are at the Department of
Speaker 1: Education payroll office. And this woman is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite like random one sceners of all time.
Speaker 4: Okay, and I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this scene. Yeah you're in Yeah, it's great,
Speaker 1: Like and she go, they go, she goes, you're asking
Speaker 1: me to match a person to a Metro card. One
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five thousand people work here like, I
Speaker 1: don't have time for that, and rollins. It's her first season.
Speaker 1: She hasn't really perfected her She hasn't perfected how to
Speaker 1: talk to women yet. She knows how to flirt with men,
Speaker 1: but she can't talk to women yet. So she goes, well,
Speaker 1: we're police, so you're gonna have to make time, and
Speaker 1: the woman goes, excuse me, all I have to do
Speaker 1: is stay black and die and love that. For her,
Speaker 1: she's really standing in her own uh you know, the
Speaker 1: value of her own time. She's like, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this and Amarro cuts in and he's like, well, if
Speaker 1: you can't flirt with a woman, I certainly can. So
Speaker 1: he starts his charming guy routine. He notices her framed
Speaker 1: picks of her kids and starts chatting parenting stuff. It's
Speaker 1: just so over the top that, yeah, how many times
Speaker 1: were you all classic? Yeah, he's so hot. I can
Speaker 1: imagine kind of just enjoying the moment exactly. He's batting
Speaker 1: his eyes, he's saying pretty pleased. Like he's getting her
Speaker 1: to check for the metro card and she's like, I'll
Speaker 1: take a look, and he's like, well does this one thing?
Speaker 4: Like cut it down?
Speaker 1: Like there's one fact about the Metro card that cuts
Speaker 1: it down, like it uses a certain system. And so
Speaker 1: she's like she's typing. She's like, okay, I'll check. Like
Speaker 1: she's clearly you know she's smitten with Amorro. And then
Speaker 1: she goes, you got Indian in you. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because he goes, yeah, I get that, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I knew it. Like she it's so funny, like she's
Speaker 1: flirting with him so hard, and then she goes, you guys.
Speaker 4: Go get coffee.
Speaker 1: This is gonna take a while. So now we found
Speaker 1: out who the card belongs to, and Tomorrow and Rollins
Speaker 1: are checking this lead. And while they're walking there, Rollin's
Speaker 1: asked Tomorrow about his wife, who he barely likes, Maria,
Speaker 1: who is back home with him now, and Amara's like,
Speaker 1: Zara's happy, my mom moved out, Maria sage the apartment.
Speaker 1: Everyone's happy. And then the woman who's Metro card it is.
Speaker 1: She's a school teacher. She's like loading kids on the bus.
Speaker 1: Her name's may Chen, and they're like, hey, we tracked
Speaker 1: your Metro card. It was used last night and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even use my metro card this morning,
Speaker 1: like I walk to work and sometimes my son Andy
Speaker 1: borrows it. So now Finn and Benson are at a
Speaker 1: basketball court to find Andy and he's playing bee ball
Speaker 1: and he's got a black eye and a busted jaw,
Speaker 1: and Fin's like, that's our guy. We need a new
Speaker 1: sketch artist, because everyone was like saying, this guy's white,
Speaker 1: and this guy is Asian or at least part or
Speaker 1: at least like part Asian. They call out to him,
Speaker 1: They're like, we need to ask you some questions, and
Speaker 1: this kid does not give a shit. He's like very
Speaker 1: bluse about the cops wanting to talk to him, Like
Speaker 1: Liv asks about the nose and.
Speaker 4: He goes, oh, you know what happened with that?
Speaker 1: And then he shoves a basketball at Benson takes off running,
Speaker 1: Finn takes up after him, live runs in another direction.
Speaker 1: She cuts the guy off. He raises his hands like
Speaker 1: he's ready to fight her, going come on, come on,
Speaker 1: and in an iconic Benson move, she pauses, gives him
Speaker 1: like are you fucking kidding me? Look, and then bitch
Speaker 1: slaps this kid right across his dumb little face. Then
Speaker 1: she throws him against a car to cuff him. And
Speaker 1: you probably recognize this scene because it's gone viral before,
Speaker 1: Like this scene has been sent to us many times
Speaker 1: of like people will just post it being like shit,
Speaker 1: I didn't know Benson had that in or whatever, like
Speaker 1: because it's really great, like she's kicking this guy's ass
Speaker 1: and then and it's like it is a police brutality thing,
Speaker 1: but it's like in another scenario, I would not I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at it. This kid. All she does is
Speaker 1: slap him the first time, like, and then he yells,
Speaker 1: I know my rights, don't touch me. And he struggles
Speaker 1: and then he makes like he's gonna hit her, and
Speaker 1: that's when she punches him in the face. And then
Speaker 1: she gets him on the ground and he's screaming and
Speaker 1: grunting and being like you're breaking my arm.
Speaker 4: You're breaking my arm.
Speaker 1: And then Live finds a switchblade on him, so you
Speaker 1: know this is enough?
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you just carry a switchblade? You
Speaker 1: can carry a knife.
Speaker 2: Remember in Vancouver they took oh you mean for some reason,
Speaker 2: it's not my knife story, Yeah, your knife wesa no.
Speaker 1: But on the streets of New York, can you my
Speaker 1: dad carries a knife? Everywhere he goes. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: assuming the knives are okay. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: gives them grounds. I don't know what the deal is,
Speaker 1: but well, maybe because it's like a part of them
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I think you're allowed to just have
Speaker 1: a knife.
Speaker 2: But I know at the comedy store they once told
Speaker 2: me they confiscate like an average of ten like knives
Speaker 2: a show.
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time, actually, that you
Speaker 1: told me that one time, and I think about it
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, I can't believe so many
Speaker 1: people go to the comedy store on a night that I
Speaker 1: have a knife on them. But I guess my dad's
Speaker 1: one of them. So who knows? At the precinct, the
Speaker 1: lowdown on Andy Chen is this, he's twenty, he goes
Speaker 1: to community college, he's got a prior for subway groping,
Speaker 1: and he lives with his mom. Warner is checking to
Speaker 1: see if the DNA that they found at the Superhero
Speaker 1: scene is his, and Craigan wants to know what's up
Speaker 1: with the kids nose, but Finn's like, no, that's a
Speaker 1: prior injury. Live just knocked him upside the head, like
Speaker 1: because he swung at her like, that's we saw he
Speaker 1: had the nose problem before. So even if they can
Speaker 1: link this guy through DNA, Craigan says, that's only in
Speaker 1: this one attack. The guy left no DNA at any
Speaker 1: other attacks, so they can't lick to the other ones.
Speaker 1: So you better go get a confession, like that would
Speaker 1: be great right now. So Finn and Tomorrow go in
Speaker 1: and talk to Andy, who is icing his face, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, yo, we got you, like you're fucking we
Speaker 1: have you. We've got DNA, we've got the metro card,
Speaker 1: and this fucking loser, like he doesn't even try to lie.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, he tries to lie, but he kind
Speaker 1: of cops to it. He's like, yeah, she wanted it.
Speaker 1: They all wanted it. I'm the King of Soho. And
Speaker 1: we know we're still in the first act of the show,
Speaker 1: so we know this guy is not the guy right,
Speaker 1: Like it's we haven't even gone to commercial.
Speaker 4: Anyone could be a threat.
Speaker 1: But he's like scrawny, I know, but he had that
Speaker 1: girl knocked down on the ground and was like about
Speaker 1: to do it before the superhero came. So if you
Speaker 1: have a knife too, it's like, I don't know but
Speaker 1: he says these girls picked him up and he's like,
Speaker 1: they're like, which one did you like best? And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the first one, the blonde and they're like what was
Speaker 1: she wearing and he's like, like a skirt thing. It's like, dog,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna be a copycat, you
Speaker 1: gotta have more information here, like you're not, you're not,
Speaker 1: you don't know a ny. He seems dumb and he's
Speaker 1: not even good at bluffing. And also it's like, what's
Speaker 1: your mo here? Like you want to be the king
Speaker 1: of Soho, so you're going to go to jail for
Speaker 1: five to six rapes when you really only did one
Speaker 1: and you didn't even really do it, like what? And
Speaker 1: then Finn and Tomorrow step out. They're talking to Craigan
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fish bowl and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I think this guy's good for Monday night, but he's
Speaker 1: not our cereal, Like he doesn't have any.
Speaker 4: Of the details.
Speaker 1: So this kid is a copycat who got stopped by
Speaker 1: a mass crusader. Craigan's like, I don't like any of
Speaker 1: these details. I don't like where this is going. Munch
Speaker 1: pops back in with more news. Griscom is back on
Speaker 1: the news, shading the NYPD, saying the Soho rapist is
Speaker 1: still at large. Now they've dropped the West it's now
Speaker 1: just the Soho rapist. And he knows the rapist is
Speaker 1: still out there because he just got a letter from
Speaker 1: him and it reads, quote the NYPD can't catch me, copycats,
Speaker 1: can't touch me, batman can't stop me. End quote.
Speaker 4: So you know this is a dork right away.
Speaker 1: The letter goes on with about three pages about the crimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the poetry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, details only the perpetrator would know. So it ends
Speaker 1: with this line, quote, you Soho sluts think you're special.
Speaker 1: This is just the beginning end quote. Craigan wants the letter,
Speaker 1: but Munch says, you're gonna have to pry it from
Speaker 1: this guy's cold dead fingers, which I'm confused. But at
Speaker 1: the precinct, Craigan tells the gang that Cabot just informed
Speaker 1: him that Chen is out on bail. So liv is like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? The DNA for the blood was a
Speaker 1: match at the scene, like he's good for attempted rape,
Speaker 1: But his lawyer argued that the NYPD cave to the
Speaker 1: media pressure and the hysteria, and Andy is a straight
Speaker 1: a student with ties to his community. His church posted
Speaker 1: the bond, and it's like society really works overtime to
Speaker 1: let a sociopathic boy get as many chances as he
Speaker 1: possibly can, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Rollins tells them that the community hysteria is just getting started.
Speaker 1: On the computer, she shows them a group of Soho
Speaker 1: residents led by the guy who was being the most
Speaker 1: vocal at the earlier meeting, who's like, these are our
Speaker 1: streets and he says he's getting He's like, they're outraged
Speaker 1: that the rapist made bail, and there's a redhead with him,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I want, we want everyone to join
Speaker 1: us for a no More Fear slut walk. So Much
Speaker 1: doesn't know what a SlutWalk is, which I do not buy.
Speaker 1: Like he's usually up on current shit like that, Like
Speaker 1: he seems like he's the one that's like, it's a SlutWalk.
Speaker 1: It's meant to do. You know, he's a gonna explain it.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna explain it later, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get into it right now. But I just don't
Speaker 1: buy that Much doesn't know what one is liv explains
Speaker 1: that it started in Toronto went global. Women are sick
Speaker 1: of victim blaming and slutshaming. Also, Griscom won't give up
Speaker 1: the letter, citing freedom of the press. So this guy
Speaker 1: who's been like why aren't you finding him is now
Speaker 1: actively hindering the second investigation with SVU, Like, this guy's
Speaker 1: giving up so many details. His prints could be on
Speaker 1: the letter, like all this stuff I know newspapers, Like,
Speaker 1: technically media is allowed to keep sources confidential, but when
Speaker 1: there is an imminent public threat, usually media organizations choose
Speaker 1: to cooperate with the police because it's the right thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: Like with BTK, he sent letters.
Speaker 1: He sent letters to newspapers and TV stations and they
Speaker 1: handed it all over to the cops, like and that's
Speaker 1: how they fucking got him. So I don't think when
Speaker 1: a criminal sends a letter to a newspaper or TV
Speaker 1: station they have any expectation of privacy.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what it's this guy while I'm
Speaker 2: watching and I'm like, this is the rapist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like why isn't he publishing it or something and
Speaker 1: then giving it to the cops, Like if you want
Speaker 1: to get the scoop. I get that it got sent
Speaker 1: to you, get your scoop, get your clicks, get your whatever,
Speaker 1: but like not not give it to the cops. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It seems crazy, but Finn says, no, I know,
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, but the guy's prince could be on
Speaker 1: the letter, and Rollins is like, nah, the guy has
Speaker 1: left no physical evidence at five scenes. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna leave prints on the letter. But still you
Speaker 1: don't know that. Liv says no DNA at five rapes
Speaker 1: and is this guy starting something he can't finish? And
Speaker 1: then uh, they say, well, some of the victims thought
Speaker 1: he used a condemn He gets away unseen, So maybe
Speaker 1: he lives in the neighborhood and he's like a super
Speaker 1: or a maintenance man. Craigan does a traffic cop. He
Speaker 1: sends Munch and Finn to go find sex offenders in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. He sends Lived, which feels like this guy's
Speaker 1: been out there for two months. You haven't already found
Speaker 1: the sex offenders in the neighborhood. He sends Live to
Speaker 1: go ask Warrener to retest the victims clothes for touch DNA,
Speaker 1: and then Rollin's to talk to one of her rabbis
Speaker 1: and work up a profile. We've mentioned this before, but
Speaker 1: a rabbi is like your mentor in the police world.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure who Rollins would be talking to
Speaker 1: since she just got to New York from Atlanta, Like
Speaker 1: who is her rat? She already has rabbis. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Craigan looks stress. Why have I never heard that term?
Speaker 1: We've talked about it because I have looked it up before,
Speaker 1: because it'll be like, Oh, he's her rabbi, that's why,
Speaker 1: or like, oh, that's his rabbi. That's why they never
Speaker 1: remember turned him in because he's her rabbi or something
Speaker 1: like that. I got to think that back in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Craigan looks stressed, like the mayor is, like we said,
Speaker 1: riding his ass, and he's like, and where the hell
Speaker 1: is amorrow? Cut to tomorrow in a car spying on
Speaker 1: his fucking wife. Okay, she's sitting outside at a cafe
Speaker 1: and he's truly parked right across the street with nothing
Speaker 1: obstructing the view, Like does he think the sunglasses make
Speaker 1: him invisible? Like she could truly just look across the
Speaker 1: street and be like, there's my husband sitting in his
Speaker 1: cop car, and like, while she's sitting there, she's outside
Speaker 1: in the summer sun or spring sun, and up walks
Speaker 1: a handsome man to meet Maria. And this is a
Speaker 1: friend of the pod Dominic Famusa and he's played four
Speaker 1: different characters on SVU. We interviewed him about the episode PTSD,
Speaker 1: but I think we talked about.
Speaker 4: Him with this one.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go back and listen to PTSD,
Speaker 1: you could talk.
Speaker 4: To him about that.
Speaker 1: We talked about this episode a little with him, and
Speaker 1: he's everywhere he's in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the asshole in Sex and the City that
Speaker 2: Miranda meets at the funeral.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Carrie used to date.
Speaker 1: Yes, And he is in another episode where his daughter
Speaker 1: Vicky was came to New York on a field trip
Speaker 1: and was trafficked and then he calls Maria because they're
Speaker 1: friends from the military, and then Maria involves Nick. And
Speaker 1: so that's an episode that's already happened, I think earlier
Speaker 1: in this season. And I'm not supporting like Mike Pence
Speaker 1: bullshit that the opposite sex can't have a meal together,
Speaker 1: but they are splitting a bottle of rose in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day and Maria friend of the pod
Speaker 1: Laura Bananty is grinning like a schoolgirl when he walks up.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, Amaro's not wrong to be like worried.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be following and whatever, like,
Speaker 1: but it is like I would be kind of like, huh, well.
Speaker 2: It's also her lying, you know what I mean, if
Speaker 2: she said I'm doing lunch with a friend.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing my old friend. Yeah, and laps of fine too.
Speaker 1: It's the descending a bottle in the middle of the
Speaker 1: day is a little bit like we're having fun, you know.
Speaker 1: It's not just like we're having a little drink, a
Speaker 1: little nip before we go back to work.
Speaker 4: It's a bottle. I didn't notice that.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice that. Well, he pours his own after
Speaker 1: he sits down. She's already had some like okay, So
Speaker 1: but he gets a call. Amaro gets a call, and
Speaker 1: obviously work wants to know where the fuck he is.
Speaker 1: So Omoro arrives to a hell of a scene. Nick Chen,
Speaker 1: the little fucker that we've already met before, is hanging
Speaker 1: from a fence by his wrists.
Speaker 4: He's unconscious.
Speaker 1: One of his eyes is like swollen shut, like that
Speaker 1: really nasty makeup they do where like it's his eye
Speaker 1: looks really really gnarly, and a crowd has gathered and
Speaker 1: the EMTs are like cutting him down, like this is hard,
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch.
Speaker 2: The makeup departments at a great job. But like they
Speaker 2: had to hang the.
Speaker 1: Guy geesez yeah yeah, well they yeah, they hang him
Speaker 1: by his wrists like it's crazy, And witnesses say, he
Speaker 1: got jumped by a gang.
Speaker 2: Of I don't hate Vigilante Justice. I know him against it,
Speaker 2: but I don't hate it. But those people should go
Speaker 2: to jail that did that. By the way, I forgot
Speaker 2: to mention that this is broad daylight. That he's strung
Speaker 2: up by his wrists. Okay, so it's broad daylight. A
Speaker 2: huge crowd has gathered.
Speaker 1: Witnesses say he got jumped by a gang of five
Speaker 1: superheroes calling themselves the Justice League, Which is why that
Speaker 1: they could even use that name in this episode because
Speaker 1: it is an established thing from DC comments, which has
Speaker 1: existed since like nineteen sixty. It's like a supergroup of superheroes.
Speaker 1: The original Justice League was Green Lantern, the Flash, Superman, Batman,
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter. Wow, he has
Speaker 1: not done as well as his friends. Let's just say that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: When I want to look him up, the Martian what Manhunter,
Speaker 2: I wonder, like, literally, there's a franchise on every single
Speaker 2: one of these people, and the Martian Manhunter's not someone
Speaker 2: I've ever even laid ears on, But hey, you know
Speaker 2: what I want, because he's in stuff. He's he's just yeah,
Speaker 2: he doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's just they got to name him something else. The Martian,
Speaker 1: the Manhunter, the man Hunters a scary superhero name. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think these vigilantes in the episode spent so much
Speaker 1: time on their costumes that the name took a back seat.
Speaker 1: So they just took whatever they could think of. Nobody
Speaker 1: helped Andy Chen when they were beating the shit out
Speaker 1: of him. Most of them cheered him on. And I
Speaker 1: don't think we should be stringing people up in the streets,
Speaker 1: but I do think we should. Like the squad is
Speaker 1: being very like, oh my god, this poor boy, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's not forget.
Speaker 4: He is a rapist. Like he's a sociopath.
Speaker 1: Like he escalated from subway groping to attempted rape and
Speaker 1: I know he's not the rapist, but he is a rapist.
Speaker 1: And I just don't think I don't need SVU shedding
Speaker 1: quite so many tears over this kid. But I do
Speaker 1: think it's like, we don't need vigil anties taking care
Speaker 1: of it anyway. The vigil antes spray painted j L
Speaker 1: NY Justice League of New York one NYPD zero on
Speaker 1: the ground where they hung Andy up, so Finn says,
Speaker 1: these are our streets, not theirs. You honestly can't even
Speaker 1: tell if Andy's dead or not until they show him
Speaker 1: being wheeled away on a stretcher and he's not in
Speaker 1: a body bag, Like I didn't know if he was
Speaker 1: dead or not. Now I assume dead. I assume I
Speaker 1: assumed when I first watched dead. Now Finn and to
Speaker 1: Morrow at the hospital talking to him, and he's he's
Speaker 1: alive and awake, and he looks terrible that I is
Speaker 1: fucking poppin'.
Speaker 2: He's got a neck brace on his force. Don't make
Speaker 2: me feel bad for a rapist. Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Sv don't do that. If it's a
Speaker 1: wrong if it's wrongly accused, let's shine a light.
Speaker 4: But that's not what this guy.
Speaker 1: This guy was trying to copycat a horrific rapist that
Speaker 1: was like fucking terrorizing his neighborhood, and he was trying
Speaker 1: to take credit for all of it. Anyway, he's crazy.
Speaker 1: And the thing is he will this kid will rape again.
Speaker 1: Like I think he's a sociopath, like for sure, So
Speaker 1: they got to do some kind of Yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 2: We always talking about these sociopaths that get a lot dumb,
Speaker 2: but some are dumb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are dumb sociopaths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting caught at first attempt for sure.
Speaker 4: Now wait should should we be?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I want to I want to watch that TV show
Speaker 4: The Dumb Socio.
Speaker 1: Dumb instead of like a total like Wonderkin, it's like
Speaker 1: a freaking dumb ass sociopath. He keeps fucking up and
Speaker 1: like his sister has to keep bailing him out or something.
Speaker 1: And she's smart, She's like, why are you so dumb?
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be a brilliant psycho killer. It's like
Speaker 1: the reverse deb in Decks. Okay, so he says, oh
Speaker 1: was deb dumb? Oh no, Dev's not dumb. But she
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't like bailing Dexter out. He makes her think
Speaker 1: that she's bailing him out sometimes, but she's like kind
Speaker 1: of not, you know. So he goes, they were wearing
Speaker 1: masks and helmets. He goes, there was even a chick there.
Speaker 1: It's like, you've literally been attacked by a mob and
Speaker 1: you're still like being kind of a dick and like
Speaker 1: being a misogynist. He's like, there was even a chick there,
Speaker 1: and he goes, this is all your fault. You made
Speaker 1: everyone hate me. And Tomorrow gets my point and goes, no,
Speaker 1: they hate you because you're a rapist. And if I
Speaker 1: wasn't a cop, i'd smack you around two And suddenly
Speaker 1: Andy's mom runs in with a lawyer who hands them
Speaker 1: a lawsuit that he's filing against them for violating Andy's
Speaker 1: civil rights. Tomorrow throws the lawsuit on the ground and
Speaker 1: they walk out. You can tell the stress of what
Speaker 1: he's witnessed in his Maria stakeouts is bleeding into the job.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to a whole operation.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, did you not flirt with that
Speaker 2: woman when you needed documents?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What if Maria was watching? And now we cut
Speaker 1: to this whole operation where Rollins is in a brown
Speaker 1: wig and she's telling a bunch of babes in tight
Speaker 1: dresses and heels how to handle this rapist looking like
Speaker 1: it looks like they're all acting as baits, like they're bait.
Speaker 1: They're all like, they're all undercovers and ghosts they call them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what a ghost is, but the undercovers
Speaker 1: they're probably like just they were like, are there any
Speaker 1: pretty female cops that can go undercover with Rowlands? They
Speaker 1: got a bunch of them. Kraign wants everyone in radio contact.
Speaker 1: Amaro goes, well, we're light on backup, which is apparently
Speaker 1: because a lot of the department is tied up at
Speaker 1: the slut walk, Finn goes, just what we need one
Speaker 1: hundred women walking around half naked, and it's like, Finn,
Speaker 1: it is season thirteen, Like, please tell me you're not
Speaker 1: still doing the what was she wearing?
Speaker 4: Argument?
Speaker 1: Especially when you love strip clubs. Yeah, they just can't
Speaker 1: be in public naked, Okay, I mean they're wearing tube tops.
Speaker 1: The undercover hotties all scatter into the night, okay. Rollins
Speaker 1: is now walking down the street alone when suddenly she
Speaker 1: hears a man's voice yelling rape, help, help us, help me,
Speaker 1: And it's hard to tell where it's coming from. It
Speaker 1: seems like it's coming from the roof of one of
Speaker 1: these buildings, but she really can't tell. Finn rolls up
Speaker 1: and rollins hops in the car, and now those two
Speaker 1: are up on the roof and they find the screaming
Speaker 1: guy and there's also a woman face down. The screaming
Speaker 1: guy has been stabbed, and the woman who's calling her,
Speaker 1: who he's calling Fantastica, looks bruised up, but she's hanging
Speaker 1: in there. And the guy they're asking the I like,
Speaker 1: what happened? What happened?
Speaker 4: He goes, I was only gone a minute, and then
Speaker 4: he passes out.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now at the hospital, Fantastica is spilling to live.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't remember anything. I got knocked out
Speaker 1: in the back of my head. I blacked out. I
Speaker 1: woke up in the ambulance. Liv tells her and her
Speaker 1: real name is Leslie Lives like, I hate to tell
Speaker 1: you this, Leslie, but you have been sexually assaulted. And
Speaker 1: she's incredulous. She's like, this can't happen to me. We
Speaker 1: were supposed to catch him. And tomorrow's talking to the
Speaker 1: other victim, the guy who was stabbed. His name is
Speaker 1: Stuart and he's got a little bit of like a
Speaker 1: stutter when he speaks. And he's played by kier O'Donnell
Speaker 1: k E I R I don't know how you say
Speaker 1: that name, kir He's been in a lot of fun stuff,
Speaker 1: but he is best known to me as Rachel mcadam's
Speaker 1: freaky gothy brother Todd in Wedding Crashers. Oh that's how
Speaker 1: my god? Yeah wow cool? Yeah yeah yeah. So Stuart
Speaker 1: said we're in the presence of greatness exactly, holy whole legend.
Speaker 1: That's one of the funny I can't believe this is
Speaker 1: the same guy. He was also in Paul Blart Mallcop,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen that, so oh fuck. He was
Speaker 1: in Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2: Mall Cop is kind of maga coded. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Kevin James is. I don't really know about him, but
Speaker 2: like I feel like Mallcop is like so maga coded.
Speaker 2: Yeah wait, I'm obsessed with kier Wait.
Speaker 1: I need to go to his IMD be really quick
Speaker 1: because I did not know he was in Sons of
Speaker 1: Anarchy and now I'm trying to figure.
Speaker 2: Out, well, we're all taking a huge moment. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got a lot.
Speaker 1: He works a lot. I mean he's got like seventy
Speaker 1: six credits doing some upcoming stuff.
Speaker 2: Now, this man definitely books. But as I think, the
Speaker 2: wedding crashers to me is so funny, and then everything
Speaker 2: else is so serious. I'm like, get this man back
Speaker 2: in a little weird emo. Look, yeah, Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 1: Well goth Todd is like, well, I think the guy
Speaker 1: was white and stocky, but it was dark. I pulled
Speaker 1: him off of her and then he stabbed me, and
Speaker 1: he describes the weapon as big black scissors with a
Speaker 1: curved handle, or with like a curved blade and black handle. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I think I'm fucking up the description. Then they're back
Speaker 1: to Leslie and she goes, no, it was just me
Speaker 1: and Stewart up on that roof. We work in two
Speaker 1: person cells. We got up to the roof by a
Speaker 1: fire escape. Lives like, okay, I'm going to check your
Speaker 1: rape kit for DNA, and she's like, have you had
Speaker 1: sex with anybody else? And she's like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing anyone, and then she goes, I was just trying
Speaker 1: to stop other women from being raped, and Live goes
Speaker 1: I get it, but you need to leave it to
Speaker 1: the cops. And Leslie goes, that hasn't worked, has it?
Speaker 1: And Live goes, well, this didn't work.
Speaker 4: Did it?
Speaker 1: And I kind of like it because it's like lives
Speaker 1: kind of try to be like I, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe every victim, but girl, don't go vigilante because I'm
Speaker 1: Olivia Benson and I will fucking bind out who did this,
Speaker 1: and like, don't don't try to act like I'm not
Speaker 1: doing my job. You know, she shaded, She tried to
Speaker 1: shade Live and lived through it right back in her
Speaker 1: fucking face. So Stewart tells Tomorrow that he had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the Andy Chen and he says he's
Speaker 1: done more. And he goes, I've done more in two
Speaker 1: nights than you guys have done in two months. I say,
Speaker 1: fantastica and that other girl the other night. So he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm on duty, I train, I work out. This is serious.
Speaker 1: And Tomorrow's like, okay, so what's with the costumes? And
Speaker 1: he's like, they tell the world what we stand for?
Speaker 1: And he goes, so who are you? And he shows
Speaker 1: his hands, his knuckles and he's got twelve and nineteen
Speaker 1: tattooed on his hands, which Amorrow knows immediately is a
Speaker 1: Bible verse Romans twelve nineteen, Vengeance's mind saith the Lord. Okay,
Speaker 1: so in walks the mouthy guy from the first meeting
Speaker 1: and the slut Walk announcement, and he's yelling at Stuart
Speaker 1: for bringing Leslie out in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: dressed up like a freak while a rapist is on
Speaker 1: the loose, and Stewart says, fantastica wanted to come. This
Speaker 1: man's name is Henry Brizeki, and he's played by Michael Rispoli,
Speaker 1: who you might recognize. He's a character actor. You might
Speaker 1: recognize him from the Sopranos and other stuff. And he
Speaker 1: says Leslie called him. She needs a grown up right now, Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and we've seen this guy, Henry. He's clearly a leader
Speaker 1: of the community council, right and he was there for
Speaker 1: the announcement of the slut walk and saying these are
Speaker 1: our streets, blah blah blah. Amorrow questions Henry on the
Speaker 1: side and goes, after the slut walk, did you go
Speaker 1: on superhero Patrol? He looks at a Tomorrow and goes,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty I was home with my wife and kid,
Speaker 1: all right. He's like, I don't know, I'm not out
Speaker 1: dressed up, like fucking the flash. So we cut to
Speaker 1: Maria and Nick having a nice dinner at a white
Speaker 1: tablecloth place, okay, and he's complaining about Griscam the reporter,
Speaker 1: and then he asked Maria about her week and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm just like happy to be with Zara.
Speaker 1: And then it's just like watching two people that a
Speaker 1: don't like each other, but b are horrible at lying
Speaker 1: or horrible at like.
Speaker 2: And it's like, are you guys questions? It's like, it's
Speaker 2: not like comparative to your safety to be able to lie.
Speaker 2: You're yes, been in the military or a cop? Like
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Is it lying? Part of you know, push ups? Lying
Speaker 1: shooting exactly? You could just push ups and lying? Why
Speaker 1: are you not good at both of those? I think
Speaker 1: push ups he's probably great at. But like he goes,
Speaker 1: what about yesterday? I missed you all day? It's like,
Speaker 1: why are you specifically asking about yesterday? It's just confusing.
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, hey, I took Zara to the park
Speaker 1: and then we played Princesses. It was kind of boring,
Speaker 1: and then the conversation is like extremely awkward, like they
Speaker 1: don't like each other, they're both lying badly. And then
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, that sounds fun, and she goes, no,
Speaker 1: it was fun, like after she had just said it
Speaker 1: was boring, Like it was so weird how that they
Speaker 1: were just badly covering up for each other that are
Speaker 1: for themselves in front of each other. Back at the squad,
Speaker 1: everyone's watching griscom's coverage of the Andy Chen beating by
Speaker 1: the Justice League of New York. Robin's reference is Trayvon Martin.
Speaker 1: It's what happens when people take the law into their
Speaker 1: own hands, like, you know, being anti vigilante. The gang
Speaker 1: is confused, like why was Leslie knocked out? He's not
Speaker 1: done that before. This guy, like Nick says, he's sending
Speaker 1: a message to the vigilantes, like you know, you guys
Speaker 1: need a back off trying to find me or whatever.
Speaker 1: Stuart and Leslie have been involved in community outreach for weeks.
Speaker 1: If the rapist infiltrated their group, he would know they
Speaker 1: were on the roof. But that doesn't make sense to
Speaker 1: me because there's only like five of them that are
Speaker 1: the vigilantes if they infiltrated the community group, they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily know where the vigilantes are going. But again, I
Speaker 1: try to find holes and it's kind of a problem.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you.
Speaker 2: Always do I think this is like a new thing,
Speaker 2: or we're just watching more holes. Maybe maybe we're pretty
Speaker 2: like holeless, right or am I being a am I
Speaker 2: like looking back at everything with rose colors?
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're looking at those colored because remember
Speaker 1: when like, there's never been a hole in my mind,
Speaker 1: because remember when Diane Neil was like, who was it
Speaker 1: Dianiel that said don't ask questions. Sam Waterson told her
Speaker 1: don't ask questions because then you'll open a whole Pandora's
Speaker 1: box if you ask questions about like, well, how did
Speaker 1: this happen? If this happened like because I think sometimes
Speaker 1: they're just like, we got to get it shot, let's go,
Speaker 1: And I think they just let a hole be a hole,
Speaker 1: you know, because at this point they're not like trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, reinvent the wheel. So anyway, Craigan's like, we
Speaker 1: think the serial rapist is attending his own anti rapist rallies,
Speaker 1: and it's like Craigan, are you new here?
Speaker 4: We see this shit all the time.
Speaker 1: People are constantly the murderer always comes back to the scene.
Speaker 1: We've seen that reporter who murdered his own sister started
Speaker 1: dating Benson to cover his tracks. I mean, like, people
Speaker 1: do tons of crazy shit. So apparently Henry's restaurant has
Speaker 1: been ground zero for this movement. Let's get a list
Speaker 1: of members of the group. Amaro shoves his chair in
Speaker 1: a little bit loud and Cragan clocks it. We've got
Speaker 1: Nick's got a bit of a temporar. He's mad.
Speaker 4: Henry's restaurant is called.
Speaker 1: Brick Chicken, the Toast of Soho, Brick Chicken Rollin's and
Speaker 1: tomorrow go there and he's in like a chef jacket thing,
Speaker 1: like a Bobby Fla type jacket, and he's like, my
Speaker 1: group is a front for the vigilantes and the rapists.
Speaker 1: Come on, this is NYPD payback. Like he's not buying.
Speaker 1: He said he had no idea that Leslie was in
Speaker 1: the Justice League. His first inkling was at the March
Speaker 1: and he goes and we got into a fight afterwards,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, and then you let her go
Speaker 1: off on her own and he goes, you're married. You
Speaker 1: ever tried telling a woman what to do? So he goes,
Speaker 1: I was in West Soho before it was gentrified. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to save it. I was in West Soho when
Speaker 1: it didn't exist, because it's not something people say. But
Speaker 1: Amaro spots some curved scissors with a black handle, just
Speaker 1: the same as Stuart described as his stabbing weapon. What
Speaker 1: are these poultry shears? He goes, yeah, don't touch those,
Speaker 1: those are sharp. So Tomorrow asked Rollins to ask the
Speaker 1: meme to see if the weapons are a match, and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, I could do it, but so could you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, I got to go investigate my wife,
Speaker 1: who I hate. So in another Tomorrow's stakeout, he's in
Speaker 1: his car and a car pulls up and Tomorrow gets
Speaker 1: out and starts rage walking towards the car, and it's
Speaker 1: Jason Dominic Famusa, his wife's rose buddy, and we find
Speaker 1: out that he's in fucking Philadelphia. You're working a serial
Speaker 1: rapist and you're popping down to Philadelphia. Holy shit, Like
Speaker 1: Nick Tomorrow, hot head of the fucking century, like Stabler
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: Like that's fucking nuts. Behavior.
Speaker 1: Jason goes, oh, hey, my daughter, who you saved from trafficking,
Speaker 1: she was just talking about you.
Speaker 4: She's doing a lot better.
Speaker 1: And this is a reference to that episode I was
Speaker 1: explaining before, which is called Spiraling Down, and Tomorrow goes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he could give a shit about Vicki, the daughter.
Speaker 1: He wants to talk about lunch. But before Jason can't
Speaker 1: even get a word out, Tomorrow sucker punches him right
Speaker 1: in his fucking face and goes, stay away from my
Speaker 1: wife and then walks away to start his two plus
Speaker 1: hour journey back to New York City. He is unhinged.
Speaker 1: So now back in New York City, it's nighttime, because
Speaker 1: you know, we've gone through Tomorrow's full, he's paid tolls,
Speaker 1: He's gone halfway to Washington, d C. To punch a
Speaker 1: guy in the face, and then walk away. Back in
Speaker 1: New York it's nighttime and Henry the chef slash activist
Speaker 1: is getting into his car when suddenly four members of
Speaker 1: the Justice League in these superhero costumes attack him, smash
Speaker 1: up his car, They beat the shit out of him,
Speaker 1: and then they run okay, and they leave him just
Speaker 1: like like moaning in the in the cobblestone streets of
Speaker 1: West Soho So top of Act four. It's the next
Speaker 1: morning and another Griscom news report about the attack on
Speaker 1: Soho Icon Henry brizeki Uh saying that he was beaten
Speaker 1: by vigilantes, hospitalized with a concussion and a broken hand.
Speaker 1: Griscom goes to Tomorrow on camera, Hey, detective, are there
Speaker 1: any leads? And Tomorrow goes, who me, You're the one
Speaker 1: withholding evidence? Care to comment? Which I love that he does.
Speaker 1: Put this reporter in his place a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then Rollin calls him sassy and she looks turned on,
Speaker 1: like this is you can see the sparks flying. She's
Speaker 1: very invested in how serious the reconciliation is with Maria.
Speaker 2: And Sudley was in an elevator and O guy walked
Speaker 2: on and I went, wow, you look fancy, and I
Speaker 2: regret it. That's so funny. Yeah, he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: just coming from work. I go cool, And then I
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 1: Being in New York is crazy because seeing people walk
Speaker 1: around in suits in the middle of the boiling hot heat,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I forgot that New York has serious jobs.
Speaker 4: Like I forgot people have to wear suits to their work.
Speaker 1: It's not something I see in Los Angeles because like
Speaker 1: CEOs in LA where like Cargo shorts. So Rollins asks,
Speaker 1: what happened to your hand and he goes, I must
Speaker 1: have banged it, and she goes, yeah, did you feel
Speaker 1: better afterwards?
Speaker 4: So she's got his fucking number.
Speaker 1: Csu finds baggies in Henry the Chef's car with locks
Speaker 1: of hair in them, six bags of them. Amorrow doesn't
Speaker 1: buy that he keeps these hair samples and these trophies
Speaker 1: in his car, But like, if he is a rapist
Speaker 1: and the Justice League made him before they did, maybe
Speaker 1: they know something that we don't, Tomorrow says. So now
Speaker 1: Amaro and Rollins are questioning Stuart about beating up Henry,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it wasn't me, Like I can't even
Speaker 1: lift my arm up, which is in a sling from
Speaker 1: his stabbing. So the night after you fight off Leslie's rapist,
Speaker 1: Henry gets targeted and Stuart has like no response, and
Speaker 1: they're like, uh, They're like what about the poultry? Shears,
Speaker 1: They're just like Henry's why are you covering for him?
Speaker 1: And he says, I had to. Leslie's one of us,
Speaker 1: the only girl with courage to take to the streets.
Speaker 1: And then he says to Rollins, I saved her, not you,
Speaker 1: And they're they're figuring out that this guy has like
Speaker 1: a weird hero complex thing, and they're like, if he
Speaker 1: raped her, you gotta tell us. If it was Henry,
Speaker 1: you got to tell us. Almaro snatches this styrofoam cup
Speaker 1: away because he's kind of like pyper focusing on this
Speaker 1: cup and like twisting it and stuff. And now he's
Speaker 1: ready to focus and he goes when I found Leslie
Speaker 1: on the roof, he was on top of her, and
Speaker 1: I heard him say, you think you're special, bitch, and
Speaker 1: he recognized the voice. So this guy, now, Stewart is going,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I didn't want to say it
Speaker 1: was Henry, but it's Henry. So back at the precinct,
Speaker 1: Craigan is like, Henry the town crier is the rapist.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this would be suprise to you.
Speaker 1: It all after years and years at s FORU, Like
Speaker 1: this happens a lot of times, Like, yes, the principle
Speaker 1: can be the rapist, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: the molester. The guy has locks of hair in his
Speaker 1: car Stuart's wounds were consistent with the poultry shears. Every
Speaker 1: attack was in walking distance of his restaurant. Omar thinks
Speaker 1: it's a smart move for a cereal to be on
Speaker 1: the front lines, making the most noise and lives like
Speaker 1: or it's more than that, Like he's creating a crisis
Speaker 1: just to solve it. Like a firefighter who sets fires,
Speaker 1: which we've also seen before on this show Rollins Gets.
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite Forensic Files episodes. It literally
Speaker 2: this place went from fifty plus fires a year and
Speaker 2: when they caught this guy went down to like two.
Speaker 2: Like this one firefighter is truly responsible for like ninety
Speaker 2: eight percent of every fire Casey.
Speaker 1: Is that the plot of Backdraft? Isn't that the plot
Speaker 1: of Backdraft? That one of them is like setting the fires.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Backdraft?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you've never seen back Draft.
Speaker 1: I haven't either.
Speaker 4: I just keep thinking, is that on the New York
Speaker 4: Times close Backdraft was?
Speaker 1: It's not on the New York Times list, it's not
Speaker 1: from the it's not from the twenty first Center. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's from the nineties. But like, I was
Speaker 1: really into it, and it really made me scared of
Speaker 1: Fire as it made me like very respectful of fire
Speaker 1: as like a young person, like I feel like I
Speaker 1: was like, you cannot fuck with fire because the way
Speaker 1: they talk about fire in the movie, like fire is alive.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you should got you guys should
Speaker 1: watch it, crazy cast. It's like Donald Sutherland, Billy Baldwin.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of people in it, right, a
Speaker 1: lot of hot Billy Baldwin. Well, at the time I
Speaker 1: thought he was really hot and good and then he
Speaker 1: kind of went by the wayside. But I do think
Speaker 1: he's the hottest Baldwin still.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Rollins gets confirmation that Leslie's rape kit DNA is
Speaker 1: a match to Henry, So this is not looking good
Speaker 1: for Henry. But this guy has left no DNA at
Speaker 1: any scene, but then he left it on victim number six.
Speaker 1: That's me talking. That's not them.
Speaker 4: That's just me being like what no one's it doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: So they go visit Henry in the hospital and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they broke my hand. I can't chop, I can't work,
Speaker 1: and then they confront him they're like you have bigger problems, dude,
Speaker 1: Like we got your DNA on Leslie and he's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't rape her. I'm a public figure and I'm
Speaker 1: a married man, And basically he confesses that him and
Speaker 1: Leslie have been having an affair. He's like, we got
Speaker 1: close while working on protesting the rapists.
Speaker 2: Makes no sense as he's like cool and hip, he's
Speaker 2: kind of like a wise guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was nervous. He's also fifty, he's got a
Speaker 1: wife and kid at home, wife and daughter, and he
Speaker 1: was nervous. She was nervous about walking home alone, so
Speaker 1: obviously starts walking her home.
Speaker 4: Whatever. They start, you know, having an affair.
Speaker 1: They bring up the other five girls and he's like
Speaker 1: what and they're like, we found the hair of the
Speaker 1: other five victims in your fucking car.
Speaker 4: And he goes, now, you're framing me.
Speaker 1: I want a lawyer, and they go, well, get a
Speaker 1: good one and tell him you're under arrest.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Amaro and Finn back after seemingly days. I don't know
Speaker 1: where Finn's been for a little while. They gave him
Speaker 1: a break. They're talking to Leslie and she admits to
Speaker 1: the affair and she's like, I couldn't tell anyone because
Speaker 1: Henry's a public figure. He's the brick Chicken guy. He's
Speaker 1: the head of the West so whole council. I couldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it to the cops. It would ruin his
Speaker 1: reputation in our ten block neighborhood. You think Henry raped me,
Speaker 1: and she goes, no way, he loves me, so they
Speaker 1: remind her, but you got knocked out, so you actually
Speaker 1: don't remember anything, like it could have been him, And
Speaker 1: she tells them no. We got into a fight after
Speaker 1: the march, and when Henry figured out that I was
Speaker 1: in the Justice League, he got really really mad that
Speaker 1: I was going on.
Speaker 4: Patrol with Stuart.
Speaker 1: So now we're talking up hand bandaged Henry and he's
Speaker 1: in woodroom blinds, but it's very dark. It's got the
Speaker 1: lighting of cement room bars, but it's woodroom blinds because
Speaker 1: I can see the blinds extremely dark. There's no light
Speaker 1: bulb budget at the SVU. So he's with his lawyer,
Speaker 1: and his lawyer is Linus Tate, who has kind of
Speaker 1: like a Roger Kressler vibe, maybe not as smarmy as Roger,
Speaker 1: but like he's a defense attorney. In season thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: and fifteen, he's played by a guy named David pittou So,
Speaker 1: but he's recurring and in many episodes, some that we've covered,
Speaker 1: they ask Henry where he was on a few nights
Speaker 1: that the attacks took place, and he goes, oh, he's
Speaker 1: probably home with my wife and daughter. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: can she verify? And I love when these guys are
Speaker 1: like being accused of a crime. They could put them
Speaker 1: in jail, and they're like, don't ask my wife. Come on,
Speaker 1: don't don't get me in trouble with my wife. And
Speaker 1: the lawyer is like, dude, worry about your marriage later.
Speaker 1: So Henry fesses up. He goes, those nights, I was
Speaker 1: either with Amy, my pastry chef who's also married, or
Speaker 1: Leslie or Janette, my wife's sister. So this guy is
Speaker 1: just like a fucking philanderer. And you know, you hear
Speaker 1: a lot about actually chefs and men in the restaurant
Speaker 1: business being like this, but your wife's sister, that's fucking solo,
Speaker 1: and Live goes, yes, come on, I know, like there
Speaker 1: how many women are there in West Soho that you
Speaker 1: could be fucking and you gotta go with your wife's
Speaker 1: sister and he Lived goes wow, and he goes, it's
Speaker 1: not what you think, and Live goes, you don't want
Speaker 1: to know what I think, and you judges you as
Speaker 1: a person. You know what I mean? You don't like that.
Speaker 1: So this chicken chef may be a philandering piece of shit,
Speaker 1: but he is not the rapist. Rollins confirms all three
Speaker 1: of his alibis with his little baby girls checks out,
Speaker 1: plus the doorman and video footage double confirms it. But
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning that I think the victims would have
Speaker 1: mentioned that their rapist sounded like Tony soprano like. None
Speaker 1: of them were like, uh, he said, you think you
Speaker 1: special bitch? I mean, like, that's not like what he
Speaker 1: sounded like. So it's just funny. So who planted the hair?
Speaker 1: Amaro is about to crack the damn case and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: it's probably the guy who put Henry on the roof
Speaker 1: attacking Leslie. But before he gets the medal for best Cop,
Speaker 1: Maria blows into the precinct and knocks a bunch of
Speaker 1: files off his desk onto the floor, and she screams,
Speaker 1: what the hell is wrong with you?
Speaker 4: And Maria knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Amarro cares a lot about what his coworkers think about him, like,
Speaker 1: he looks so embarrassed right now, and she doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck, nor should she, but she starts screaming about
Speaker 1: him driving to Philly to attack her friend, and he's like, friend,
Speaker 1: you're gonna call him a friend and Craigan's like no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no nick nick nick not here, not here, So
Speaker 1: no mess in the precinct.
Speaker 4: He grabs her arm and they walk out of there,
Speaker 4: and Munch goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the precinct is actually reserved for suspects and victims
Speaker 2: to meet up right in the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is actually where people can accidentally pass each
Speaker 1: other and attack each other. It's not it's not for
Speaker 1: unhappily married couples that work here. And Munch goes that,
Speaker 1: right there is why I stopped marrying Italian women. And
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, Munch, you've had four wives. How many
Speaker 1: could have been Italian?
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Amara and Maria are in interrogation and the first thing
Speaker 1: he says to her is how embarrassed he is, not
Speaker 1: how hurted he is that she may have cheated, but like,
Speaker 1: you come to my office and he confronts her about
Speaker 1: the lunch.
Speaker 4: She figures out.
Speaker 1: She's like, you've been following me, and he goes, you
Speaker 1: lied to me, and she goes, cause I knew you
Speaker 1: would react like this, and she's like, nothing is going
Speaker 1: on between us. We just talk and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: your husband. You talk to me. I mean fuck that,
Speaker 1: that's not You're not in the military. You can't like
Speaker 1: if she needs to talk to a military friend. She
Speaker 1: talked to a military friend. And then she says like
Speaker 1: this is this how we talk? Good point, And then
Speaker 1: she tries to touch his face and like be kind
Speaker 1: of like tender with him, and she goes, I swear
Speaker 1: I'm not having an affair, and he like bats her
Speaker 1: arms away and he goes, I don't buy it. And
Speaker 1: then he brings up the brownstone on twenty seventh Street
Speaker 1: and he goes, is that where you meet him? So
Speaker 1: obviously she's been he's been following her for a while,
Speaker 1: like it's not just the two stakeouts that we saw
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like he's been following her because we've never
Speaker 1: even seen this fucking brownstone, And is that where you
Speaker 1: meet him? Is that where you've been screwing him? And
Speaker 1: she goes, no, that's my psychiatrist's office. I've been seeing
Speaker 1: a shrink, I didn't tell you because you like everything
Speaker 1: to be perfect and it's not. I'm not like that,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I didn't think, and she goes, you
Speaker 1: didn't think because you don't trust me. I'm your wife.
Speaker 1: You can't treat me like one of your suspects. And
Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm on Maria's side for this one here,
Speaker 1: Like she probably could have been more open with him,
Speaker 1: but like he really went off the handle right away
Speaker 1: thinking it was an affair, and it's he really fucked up,
Speaker 1: and he kind of knows he did.
Speaker 4: Like he walks out of the room very slowly. He
Speaker 4: knows he fucked up.
Speaker 1: When he gets back into the bullpen, everyone just stares
Speaker 1: awkwardly at him, and you kind of love to see it.
Speaker 1: You love to see him get in trouble for being
Speaker 1: such a hothead. And then he goes, let's get back
Speaker 1: to work, and he kind of apologizes to the immediate
Speaker 1: gang and they're back in the game now and they're
Speaker 1: looking at Stuart. He has no alibi for the Henry
Speaker 1: beat down, and Warner says it's possible he stabbed himself.
Speaker 1: Like we got a lot of Warner references here, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't afford Tamratuni that day because she's not in
Speaker 1: the episode, but they talk about her like six times.
Speaker 1: Rollins pipes in with the profile, and we just talked
Speaker 1: about this last episode. I didn't realize how early in
Speaker 1: her tenure they had her acting like George Wong, Like
Speaker 1: this is her first season. So it's kind of wild
Speaker 1: that they're already like, give us the profile, Rollins, are
Speaker 1: you are you it or are you Wong? Like what's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I really you know. So she
Speaker 1: points out how he was tearing at the styrofoam cup
Speaker 1: when talking about Leslie. She goes, he's obsessive, he works
Speaker 1: at a comic book store. He's an outsider, desperate to
Speaker 1: be seen as a hero by Leslie, and he leads
Speaker 1: a double life. He's got this fantasy life and we
Speaker 1: don't know how Dark Kick goes. So Craigan sends Rollins
Speaker 1: on tomorrow to go back to Stuart. So they bring
Speaker 1: Stuart onto the roof and they're like, well we need
Speaker 1: the details, and Rollins is laying it on thick. She goes, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we had to let Henry go. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of support every woman in Soho sees him
Speaker 1: as a hero, even Leslie. And then he's like, can't
Speaker 1: you tell her that he's a rapist? And they're like,
Speaker 1: just walk us through everything that happened, and he tells
Speaker 1: them how he got stabbed, but they also you could
Speaker 1: tell he's kind of nervous giving them all these details,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, you know, Rmy says that your
Speaker 1: wounds could have been self inflicted, and we think it's
Speaker 1: because you want Leslie to think that you saved her,
Speaker 1: and they start just laying it all out for him.
Speaker 1: They're like, the Soho rapist has been around for like
Speaker 1: two months, which is about the time when you met Leslie.
Speaker 1: She told us she came into the store to buy
Speaker 1: you a gift for her nephew, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I showed her Jimmy Corrigan and The Dark Knight Returns
Speaker 1: and the New Avengers.
Speaker 4: She was really cool.
Speaker 1: And then you told her about the Justice League and
Speaker 1: she said it sounded silly because the city's safe, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I tried to warn her. Women don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you believe that this religious nut
Speaker 1: who works in a comic book shop also things women
Speaker 1: are helpless, and then a week later the SOHO rapist
Speaker 1: struck isn't that interesting timing? And then Leslie joined up
Speaker 1: and became Fantastica so awesome, and you guys were a
Speaker 1: team until Henry came along with his meetings and sound
Speaker 1: bites and getting attention for your work. And he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what happened, and Tomorrow starts amping up the humiliation, saying,
Speaker 1: Leslie went with Henry that night. They were laughing at you.
Speaker 1: She felt sorry for you. And then the copycat You
Speaker 1: really saved her, but Leslie didn't even care. You got
Speaker 1: so angry you hit her over the head with a brick.
Speaker 1: You almost killed the girl you love. And Rollins is
Speaker 1: trying to get Nick to chill out because he's being
Speaker 1: very intense, and Stuart's like, does Leslie know?
Speaker 4: What did she say about me?
Speaker 1: Like such in cell vibes, and then Rollins gets the
Speaker 1: final twist of the knife in for old Stu goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's leaving the Justice League. She's not Fantastica anymore, and
Speaker 1: you're not twelve nineteen, and he goes, I never meant
Speaker 1: to hurt her. I never meant to hurt anyone. I
Speaker 1: just wanted her to look at me and know that
Speaker 1: I was a zo. And that's dick wolf baby, very sad, empathetic.
Speaker 1: You can't really rape your way to be a hero,
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, I'm sure there's an argument the
Speaker 1: other way. Well, remember Luke Perry. Remember Luke Perry's character
Speaker 1: in that episode he raped her and then met her
Speaker 1: at the support group or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sickos everywhere.
Speaker 2: I will say, this is one of the few times
Speaker 2: the real crime pretty chill, pretty chill. Okay, nothing credible, though,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, these were This was really funny research.
Speaker 2: This was like like comic Con interviews. It was like
Speaker 2: with one of their enemies, like the superhero.
Speaker 4: It was Yeah, it's just interesting. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: So this all happened in Seattle, the rain City Superhero organization.
Speaker 1: So we're in Seattle, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: But I found articles, so that's when it like kind
Speaker 2: of started, and then one of the main group started
Speaker 2: in twenty ten. Most of the articles loose term I
Speaker 2: found were between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen. Would say,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be like the least respected thing I've
Speaker 2: ever done in the are Okay, I feel like our
Speaker 2: microchips are more respected.
Speaker 1: That's than this. Hey, I did the research on that.
Speaker 1: I still think they're possible. People are gonna get microchips soon.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it it was just not a crime.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it was just silly.
Speaker 2: No, I had no shade to the microchip investigative research.
Speaker 2: But I found something is recent as twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: with people that were split off from the OG Crew. So, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, there's obviously drama within a volunteer superhero community
Speaker 2: in Seattle, if you can imagine. So, a group of
Speaker 2: self described superheroes started prowling the streets claiming to save
Speaker 2: people from crime. And yeah, some of their names, so
Speaker 2: the leader is Phoenix Jones, the Guardian of Seattle, and
Speaker 2: some of the other fun names are Buster Dough, Catastrophe, Gemini,
Speaker 2: Green Reaper, no name, Penelope Thorn, and Thunder eighty eight. Okay,
Speaker 2: so kind of exciting. I also have a thing that
Speaker 2: says none of them. I'm like, that could be a
Speaker 2: name too, but whatever. So and then this Phoenix Jones guy,
Speaker 2: he was also like the leader of a wider network
Speaker 2: called the Alliance that had thirty four members across the US, London,
Speaker 2: and Dubai, which is like not a.
Speaker 1: Lot, that's like three enormous cities. I'm sorry the thirty
Speaker 1: four people like me.
Speaker 2: This is like unserious. This is the most unserious investigation
Speaker 2: we've ever done. To be in this alliance, you have
Speaker 2: to have a steady job, not committed any crimes of
Speaker 2: disson honesty. You have to be able to run two
Speaker 2: miles in eight minutes and thirty seconds in full gear.
Speaker 2: And you have to be able to train with Jones
Speaker 2: for three days a week during a trial period. Damn yeah.
Speaker 2: And so he mostly like drove around the city looking
Speaker 2: for fights to stop, and he decided to become this
Speaker 2: caped crusader. CNN words not mine, and the.
Speaker 1: Article was in the entertainment section. I will say.
Speaker 4: No crime.
Speaker 2: But his car was broken into and his young son
Speaker 2: was hurt by the glass. So he decided that he
Speaker 2: was going to take a more active role in fighting
Speaker 2: crime and he threw himself fully into it. Phoenix Jones
Speaker 2: told the Seattle Post Intelligencer according to the Week, that
Speaker 2: they all have military and MMA backgrounds, but they do
Speaker 2: not carry guns. These got tasers, nightsticks, pepper spray, and
Speaker 2: Jones also had this suit and it costs ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: So it's bulletproof kevlar reinforced fire retardant jumpsuit made with
Speaker 2: D three L smart fabric and it hardens on impact.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, kind of cool. The hardens on impact.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that before. Seattle police do not respect them,
Speaker 2: and they think that they're silly at best or dangerous
Speaker 2: at worst, which would actually be the worst danger, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, they like didn't get
Speaker 2: how to do the saying, like the police didn't get it.
Speaker 2: Echo is a group started by El Caballero and Dragon Caballero.
Speaker 1: Is that you're saying that?
Speaker 4: That was really funny?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't want to say Caballero, cab Caballero,
Speaker 2: El Cabalio. Ronnie was on Bobby Lee's podcast Ronnie Chang,
Speaker 2: and Bobby was like making him say all these words
Speaker 2: with R and was like, you don't know how to
Speaker 2: say R? And then Ronnie was like, my name is Ronnie,
Speaker 2: likes I can say it?
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, so El Caballero and Dragon followed the split,
Speaker 2: like if you heard me speaking Spanish, I would sound
Speaker 2: like a like a Republican I would say, unfortunately.
Speaker 4: But it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But they split from the Phoenix Jones network and
Speaker 2: the rain City superhero movement. They said that Phoenix kept
Speaker 2: pushing the legal limits and so another group emerged. But
Speaker 2: basically Phoenix got arrested for pepper spring people outside of
Speaker 2: a bar, but he was released without charges.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people just really don't like him.
Speaker 1: He sometimes made I just can't.
Speaker 2: He sometimes made things worse by trying to get involved
Speaker 2: in places he shouldn't have been. And I found these
Speaker 2: like nerd comic interviews with other nerds discussing each other.
Speaker 2: One piece was titled Seattle's Protector Causes Tension in superhero Community.
Speaker 2: I found a photo though of Phoenix and he was
Speaker 2: with Rain Wilson and director James Gunn at a premiere
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, So there is one photo he hash
Speaker 2: Okay on a premiere. Eventually, all of this did cost
Speaker 2: Jones his day job at a daycare that cater to
Speaker 2: special needs children. It cost him his wife, and then
Speaker 2: eventually he was arrested on drug charges. His wife used
Speaker 2: to also be a superhero. Her name was Purple Rain
Speaker 2: and she used her persona to raise awareness about domestic violence.
Speaker 2: Red Ranger and Justin Servis are current members, and they
Speaker 2: just keep their eyes out. They're just trying to help
Speaker 2: anyone in need. And they said, of this group, now,
Speaker 2: they start their shifts by handing out bags with food, water,
Speaker 2: and socks, and then when they're done with that, they
Speaker 2: take vigilante strolls. But the Red Ranger says, they all
Speaker 2: have nine to fives. He's a nurse.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. And they're giving out like hygiene kits
Speaker 1: and then just walking around to help people. I do
Speaker 1: kind of think some of these are good drag names,
Speaker 1: like Justin's Service is kind of a fun name, but
Speaker 1: also fantastica with like something else with like a good last.
Speaker 2: Name, but go on, fantastica Fox. Yeah, FANTASTICA Hawks is
Speaker 2: so good. So this is you know, they mentioned the
Speaker 2: slut Walk a few times. I remember the slut Walk
Speaker 2: part of our general generation. I would say it's a
Speaker 2: transnational movement to end rape culture, including victim blaming and
Speaker 2: slut shaming sexual assault victims or just like slut shaming,
Speaker 2: I think in general.
Speaker 4: But it really worked JK.
Speaker 2: So they began and this I think alludes to like
Speaker 2: Craigan's little thing in the press conference. But in Toronto
Speaker 2: April third, twenty eleven, Toronto Police suggested that women should
Speaker 2: avoid dressing like sluts to help stop sexual assaults. So
Speaker 2: the cost So it was Michael Sanguinetti and another officer
Speaker 2: from the thirty first Division, thirty one division.
Speaker 4: I think they do things different in Canada because.
Speaker 2: You know they say like grade seven, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they maybe it's thirty one division not that different.
Speaker 1: But I do. I think everything's weird. They've like Royal
Speaker 1: Mounted Police. I don't know. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on over there in Canada.
Speaker 2: So they were speaking on crime prevention at York University
Speaker 2: and then during the talk he legit said listen, I'm
Speaker 2: not supposed to say this, however, women should avoid dressing
Speaker 2: like sluts in order to not be victimized. So it
Speaker 2: did get international attention. He did issue an apology and
Speaker 2: I'm sure he really meant it. Yeah, And that's an
Speaker 2: officer of the law saying that out loud in a
Speaker 2: room at like you don't even understand sexual assault, yet
Speaker 2: you're the authority speaking on its prevention or like with
Speaker 2: the task to stop it or punish it.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
Speaker 2: So you guys are the authority and you misunderstand, like
Speaker 2: it's all about power and all of these things, and
Speaker 2: like children aren't dressing a certain way and that, like
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And that's the leader. It's like so crazy. So the
Speaker 4: march had it.
Speaker 2: So when the march started, the first stop was like
Speaker 2: the Toronto Police headquarters. Sonia Barnett and Heather Jarvis are
Speaker 2: the leaders of the movement, and they wanted to redefine
Speaker 2: the word slut as someone in control of their sexuality.
Speaker 2: They made they wanted to make it a power word.
Speaker 2: And you can kind of compare it to take Back
Speaker 2: the Night or Reclaim the Night movement of the seventies,
Speaker 2: which was women saying that they should be able to
Speaker 2: be out at night and it doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 2: an invitation to rape. Can you imagine ya in the
Speaker 2: seventies and be like, hey, if we're out after the sun.
Speaker 1: Why are you out after dark? You silly little woman? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so disgusting.
Speaker 2: They expected about two hundred people, but three thousand people
Speaker 2: showed up at Queen's Park. Okay, So basically the other
Speaker 2: case that inspired this movement was so this guy, Kenneth Rhoades,
Speaker 2: he raped a woman on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: She said no multiple times, and the victim even said
Speaker 2: that he was like, Oh, it's only gonna hurt a little.
Speaker 2: So this is February twenty eleven, and so the Justice
Speaker 2: Robert Duar, this judge convicted the rapist, Kenneth Rhodes, of
Speaker 2: sexual assault, but only sentenced him to two years house arrest.
Speaker 2: He was like truly on the side of the rapist
Speaker 2: and the judge, this judge, she said that this was
Speaker 2: just a clumsy dawn Juan who just made a mistake
Speaker 2: of thinking sex was in the air since she kissed
Speaker 2: him earlier and was wearing a tube top and heels.
Speaker 2: Again a judge, Yeah, like these are the people in
Speaker 2: charge of the It's so upsetting.
Speaker 1: But it's like the den that like the Jenes or
Speaker 1: the Denham thing in Italy where it's like the case
Speaker 1: where her genes were so tight that that was like allowed.
Speaker 1: That was the defense.
Speaker 2: Did you see that Italy passed legislation for chemical castration?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: It was fucking past. That's exciting. I love when a
Speaker 2: country's behind my beliefs. I guess not all of them.
Speaker 2: I guess not all of them, but I am happy
Speaker 2: with Italy doing that. So this guy, you know, always
Speaker 2: with these apologies. In November and the Manitoba Court of
Speaker 2: Appeals overturned roads conviction and after a new trial they
Speaker 2: did sentence him to three years in prison in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Still like true, like he did rape someone on the
Speaker 2: side of a road, but yeah, three years, okay. So
Speaker 2: I always connected the slut walk with Amber Rose, but
Speaker 2: she's just the most famous person I guess involved celebrity wise,
Speaker 2: and was the most outspoken. She didn't start it, she
Speaker 2: just brought attention to it in the United States with
Speaker 2: her march in Los Angeles. There was one in New
Speaker 2: York City that shut down Union Square, Chicago, Detroit. Marches
Speaker 2: all over the world and it's still is still happening.
Speaker 2: In Peoria, there's one schedules for September sixth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and I found a lot of them. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're as giant, but I think a lot of college
Speaker 2: campuses still do them, and it's still.
Speaker 4: Thing, like you know, in Peoria, and of.
Speaker 2: Course, like most movements and stuff, it was like super white,
Speaker 2: not that many black people involved. There's always you know,
Speaker 2: exclusions with most movements and mistakes and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but nothing too crazy. And of course like conservatives still
Speaker 2: are like but still don't be a slut. And then
Speaker 2: also like what Finn said of like, ah, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be dressed like that in big groups, like you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of don't want to give any like time
Speaker 2: to the people that are like, no, you don't fuck yeah,
Speaker 2: stop dressing crazy.
Speaker 4: That words bad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, now amber Rose is this is a trumper.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the tables fucking really turned, don't they.
Speaker 1: That's great, though, amber Rose, she's made some bad decisions. Listen,
Speaker 1: that was great. Thank you so much for giving us
Speaker 1: all that information. And now we've got a great interview,
Speaker 1: so don't anybody move. Our guest today is a prolific
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Speaker 1: You may remember him from films like While You Were
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Speaker 2: Well we'll talk about the episode. But you are in
Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies. Oh, which is a do
Speaker 2: you want to guess?
Speaker 6: Ther?
Speaker 1: Now? Should I just tell you.
Speaker 6: Well while you were sleeping?
Speaker 1: No, we do love that movie, we do. I was
Speaker 1: going to bring it up. I actually just watched it
Speaker 1: for the first time a life ago, and when I
Speaker 1: was looking at your IMDb, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Joe Junior on my podcast.
Speaker 4: This is so exciting.
Speaker 6: But so, Lisa, what is the movie Rounders? Oh, you're
Speaker 6: a poker player.
Speaker 2: I wasn't like two thousand and you know when it
Speaker 2: was like really a big deal. But my brother in
Speaker 2: law plays. But I watched that movie all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I love it. I was a
Speaker 2: big girl too.
Speaker 6: It was really you know what, it was a great
Speaker 6: time shooting that movie, and it was and it was
Speaker 6: a great movie. It came out about a year two
Speaker 6: years before the big poker craze, you know. I remember
Speaker 6: they were just ahead of the curve just a little bit,
Speaker 6: and then it took off. And then everybody who plays
Speaker 6: a poker, you know, all the tournaments there like that.
Speaker 6: They always talk to me about it. So yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: And it's stars studded and you you get to like
Speaker 2: beat people up in strip clubs like fun hats, like
Speaker 2: have a good time.
Speaker 6: I know, it was great. I enjoyed. My whole character
Speaker 6: was the hat. Yeah, that was It was a pork
Speaker 6: piet so. But that's kind. I'm glad you liked that
Speaker 6: movie because I'll tell you. I'll tell you something quick.
Speaker 6: You don't have to be quick, okay. I uh So,
Speaker 6: Matt Damon had done Goodwill Hunting, so he kind of
Speaker 6: blew up, you know, everywhere, him and and uh Ben
Speaker 6: Affleck and because of the writing, and while we were
Speaker 6: shooting it, the Oscar nominations came out and he got
Speaker 6: an Oscar nomination and very humble, very you know, I
Speaker 6: mean you know he was like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 6: can't believe it, you know, all this other stuff. He
Speaker 6: was very humble, really really a great down there guy
Speaker 6: and stuff ed Norton was on there too, on the
Speaker 6: movie too. His first movie. He got an Oscar nomination.
Speaker 6: The Woman Richard Gear that's it, primal fear. He was terrific,
Speaker 6: you know, and he was when we were shoot and rounders,
Speaker 6: he was, uh, all right, I can't go too much.
Speaker 4: We could cut it out, but I have to know.
Speaker 6: No, you're not gonna cut it. I know that I
Speaker 6: heard this about podcast. It's just that, uh, he was
Speaker 6: not as humble, that's all. Well, so, uh but not
Speaker 6: a bad way. He was not a bad way. But
Speaker 6: he you know, he was he had been there. He
Speaker 6: had been there already, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it was he wasn't nice to Matt Datement about it.
Speaker 6: Oh No, it's not what I'm saying. Definitely not many
Speaker 6: of this out. All I'm saying is when we you know,
Speaker 6: I would speak. I'm just saying on that thing. You know,
Speaker 6: first nomination for Matt Damon, and he had had a
Speaker 6: first time It's just a couple of years before. He
Speaker 6: was in the middle. He had just finished shooting. They
Speaker 6: were in post production for American History X.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: He was feeling really good about that movie. And he
Speaker 6: was tremendous in that movie.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have scenes together in Death to Mucchie?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, And that's the difference. So a few years
Speaker 6: later we went and did Death to Smoochie and he
Speaker 6: had already done a few films obviously, and then he
Speaker 6: had directed a movie one with Ben Stiller. That's it.
Speaker 6: He's a priest, the other ones a rabbi and everything
Speaker 6: like that. And the movie was fine, you know. I
Speaker 6: guess it did well enough or whatever. He was different
Speaker 6: a few years later, you know, and we went and
Speaker 6: we shot that up in Toronto, Death to Smoochie and
Speaker 6: it was great saying them and we were laughing about
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff and everything. And then he rented
Speaker 6: a he's really a good guy. He rented a ice
Speaker 6: house for what do you do up for Canada hockey
Speaker 6: like Carling Arena because he wanted to try curling. So
Speaker 6: he went Carling for the afternoon, him and he had
Speaker 6: two friends and O in the movie She's Amazing that
Speaker 6: was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: Also asked for you, Robin Williams, isn't it well?
Speaker 6: Robin Wallas was amazing to watch work. He was tremendous.
Speaker 4: Oh Catherine Keener a thrick key and.
Speaker 6: His husband at the time, a great actor in his
Speaker 6: own right. And again I have forgotten his name. And
Speaker 6: it looked like a big idiodea you keep filling in
Speaker 6: all the plays.
Speaker 2: Oh Dermott Melrooney. I didn't even know they were together.
Speaker 2: They were married cool.
Speaker 6: They were married at the time. Anyways, it was a
Speaker 6: weekend and he said, I read to this curling how
Speaker 6: you want to go? So we learned that of curl
Speaker 6: you have to throw it and glide and all this stuff.
Speaker 6: And it was Dermott mulroney and and he had a
Speaker 6: friend from school his school days was up there with him,
Speaker 6: not Dermott, what do they call it, ed Norton. So
Speaker 6: it was fun. It was a great way to spend
Speaker 6: the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Were you excited to do this episode or did it.
Speaker 6: That's for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean, well you goad. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, because you did you did
Speaker 1: like uh at Law and Order first, and then you
Speaker 1: did Criminal Intent and then you did SVUS like you know,
Speaker 1: you've done all of them.
Speaker 6: Well, if you're in New York and you're a New
Speaker 6: York actor, you generally you generally, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's the shows to do in town, what with the
Speaker 6: ones that are shooting in town. And I did I
Speaker 6: think I might have did two one orders maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You've done a couple of regular Law and Orders
Speaker 1: and then like and then you've done like a Chicago
Speaker 1: p D and an FBI most wanted.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're like in the Dick Wolf, they've got
Speaker 4: your speed dial.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I had dinner with Dick Wolf one time, not me personally.
Speaker 6: There was like fifteen people at the table and he
Speaker 6: was on the other end of the table, and I
Speaker 6: kept wanting to get his attention, like he put me
Speaker 6: on a show. But he was, you know, he was
Speaker 6: having a good time. We're literally on the opposite ends
Speaker 6: of a long table.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably doesn't even remember.
Speaker 4: Well, you've done like a hunt. I mean, you have
Speaker 4: like a ton of credits.
Speaker 1: You've been working for decades, so we're not expecting you
Speaker 1: to remember like specific too many specifics about this. But
Speaker 1: do you remember like any like ins and outs of
Speaker 1: doing this wild episode where they're superheroes beating people up
Speaker 1: on the streets.
Speaker 6: Yes, for you. Yeah. When I read it, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 6: superheroes in the city. You know, I'm like, Wow, that's it,
Speaker 6: that's cool, that's you know, generally, the law and orders
Speaker 6: they pulled from the you know, they pulled from the
Speaker 6: headlines or kind of thing. And I wasn't sure how
Speaker 6: that element got in there, But I rewatched the show
Speaker 6: and somebody talks about one of the characters talks about
Speaker 6: something they brought up, but I felt it was happening
Speaker 6: in another city. Maybe when did you guys see the show?
Speaker 2: So this is based on these superheroes that were in
Speaker 2: Seattle and it was like a group of you know,
Speaker 2: they didn't solve many crimes, and then they took it
Speaker 2: to a new level with the assault, you know, And
Speaker 2: in the episode they talk.
Speaker 1: About the slut Walk, which happened in Toronto but then
Speaker 1: also moved to different cities.
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, we're That's what we.
Speaker 1: Do in this podcast is like find out what it's
Speaker 1: based on too, So like we found out some of that.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting that you were in
Speaker 1: the movie kick Ass that was about high schoolers wanting
Speaker 1: to be superheroes, and then right after you're in this
Speaker 1: about adults wanting to be superheroes. And then how did
Speaker 1: you start getting into acting? I know you grew up
Speaker 1: in like sort of the New York, like right outside
Speaker 1: of New York, right like tape kind of area.
Speaker 6: I grew up in Rockley County and I always had
Speaker 6: an interest in it. I went to college for it.
Speaker 6: I finished the early so I can get in the city.
Speaker 6: And then I went to Circle in the Square theater program.
Speaker 6: It was a two year school. You know. They took
Speaker 6: in just a certain number of suits, and then they
Speaker 6: cut the class in half the second year and then
Speaker 6: which I uh, I made the second class. But and
Speaker 6: then as I was getting out of school, one of
Speaker 6: the teachers recommended myself and a few others. Myself and
Speaker 6: three others they needed understudies for a John Malkovich directed
Speaker 6: play down at Circle Repertory down in it was down
Speaker 6: when it used to be in the garage on seventh Day,
Speaker 6: New South. I had twenty two people on the stage
Speaker 6: and they needed understudies for no pay. But you've got
Speaker 6: credit towards your equity card. So I was out of
Speaker 6: school about a month or so. I had an audition
Speaker 6: for him. I thought I did terrible, but I got
Speaker 6: the job. So I had to learn seven roles. I
Speaker 6: ended up going on for six of them. But that
Speaker 6: was with the Steppenwolf people.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: So it was half Steppenwolf half Circle rep which was
Speaker 6: a tremendous theater company in New York at the time.
Speaker 6: So Malcolvich gave me my first job. So when you
Speaker 6: talk about Rounders. When I saw him on Rounders, you know,
Speaker 6: we talked about that, you know, and every he was
Speaker 6: always big, very quiet, very self spoke, you know when
Speaker 6: he speaks, you know. But but it was great because
Speaker 6: Laurie Metcalfe was in that show. Gary Sone was in
Speaker 6: that show, Terry Kinney was in that show, Jeff Perry,
Speaker 6: Glenn Headley, I mean, you know, these were all originalty
Speaker 6: These were all original Steppenwolf people, and they came from
Speaker 6: Chicago to do the show in New York. They originally
Speaker 6: did in Chicago, but to bring it to New York,
Speaker 6: who had to be half Steppenwolf Circle rep. So I
Speaker 6: was a rookie and I was on stage with like,
Speaker 6: you know, four hundred years of experience from everybody, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's what a start.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a great start. And and uh so
Speaker 6: that's how I know. And and then somebody left the
Speaker 6: show and then I got my equity car because I
Speaker 6: took over the part, you know. So but it was
Speaker 6: great and it was a great production. I mean, standing
Speaker 6: ovations every night. Laurie metcalfter the monologue started the second
Speaker 6: act and Glenn Hadley is, I'll tell you this real quick.
Speaker 6: Is this all right? Yeahlen rip Okay, So they're on
Speaker 6: you on stage. It's a diner, an all night diner.
Speaker 6: It's a Lamford Wilson play. And he had done it
Speaker 6: many many years before, and uh anyways, Uh, it's an
Speaker 6: all night diner and just hookers and pimps and drug
Speaker 6: addicts and everything else. It's you know, basically from the sixties,
Speaker 6: late sixties, you know. So Glenn Hadley is a hooker
Speaker 6: in the in the prostitute, you know, walking the street,
Speaker 6: and and Laurie Metcalf is a girl who comes into
Speaker 6: the neighborhood lost, like I don't know what I'm gonna
Speaker 6: do kind of thing. Anyways, kind of falls in loves
Speaker 6: with a guy. In a sense, it's late night. I'm
Speaker 6: the overnight manager of the place, so Glenn Hedley is
Speaker 6: just her. Otherwise it's a big crowd, cross talking and
Speaker 6: every Glenn Hedley is just sitting in the booth and
Speaker 6: she's eating soup. You know. So it's late at night,
Speaker 6: nobody's there. I'm reading the paper at the counter, and
Speaker 6: Laurie Meg comes in. She goes, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 6: for the guy she fell in love with. Whoever. The
Speaker 6: character was, you know, I can't seek to find him
Speaker 6: and everyone else, and so Glenn Headley had to listen
Speaker 6: to Laurie Metcalf. It was like a twenty five minute monologue,
Speaker 6: twenty two minute monologue, I think. And she went on
Speaker 6: and on and told the story about how where she
Speaker 6: came from and what she did and how she did
Speaker 6: and she used to it was going to get married,
Speaker 6: but then this happened. Anyways, she brought the house down
Speaker 6: every night. She nailed that monologue every night. So here
Speaker 6: I am a young guy out of school. I'm sitting
Speaker 6: there reading the paper basically, you know, because that's all
Speaker 6: you have to do. And I saw I get to
Speaker 6: listen to her every night. I even kind of moved
Speaker 6: around so I could peek at it. Sometimes she nailed
Speaker 6: that every night. Audience would go up. Tom Waite's song
Speaker 6: would come up, waltson until there's a lot of great
Speaker 6: music right at the end of the monologue, people clapping,
Speaker 6: the music come up, and then I start noticing Glenn Hedley.
Speaker 6: Glenn Hedley has to listen to this twenty two minute monologue.
Speaker 6: When an occasional interjection, you know, and now I'm gone,
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I thought Worry Metcalfe was. She was amazing.
Speaker 6: But then I'm looking at Glenn Heaveley and she could
Speaker 6: lessen like nobody's business. When an occasional, you know, she
Speaker 6: had a word here and there she made the monologue word.
Speaker 6: I mean, Laura Metcalffe did the monologue at him. But
Speaker 6: the two of them, she her listening, her concentration was amazing.
Speaker 6: So I learned just so much from that show, and
Speaker 6: specifically those two tremendous actresses.
Speaker 1: So yeah, those are like two of my tops. I
Speaker 1: would say, I think they're both so awesome.
Speaker 4: That's so great.
Speaker 1: Well you watched the episode, yes, so tell us your
Speaker 1: reflections memories. Wow'd you feel?
Speaker 6: My memory is watching it that I had more hair
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh boy, I remember when I
Speaker 6: had that hair. You know, you know what it was.
Speaker 6: It was funny because I was remembering what was going
Speaker 6: on in my life at the time and it was fine.
Speaker 6: But I had to be Upstate a lot, so I
Speaker 6: remember driving in. I had my apartment in the city,
Speaker 6: but I remember having a drive in to make the
Speaker 6: call times and stuff and then do the show. I
Speaker 6: remember Mariska Hargetae being really nice. She actually brought she's
Speaker 6: got a number of children, is that correct. Yeah, she
Speaker 6: had brought there was a she brought it one of
Speaker 6: her daughters in one day. Really cute young girl. She's
Speaker 6: probably thirty years older, but she was very nice. And
Speaker 6: and the whole crew, all those law and orders are
Speaker 6: like a really fine tuned machine. The crews are great,
Speaker 6: the team stays are great. I mean, all of those guys,
Speaker 6: like they got a job and there here it is
Speaker 6: twenty six years later. Do they get married, they have
Speaker 6: a kid, the kids get kid, graduates, graduates college, and
Speaker 6: then you know, gets married themselves and they're still working
Speaker 6: on the same job. I mean, it's so those the
Speaker 6: crews were terrific. And I I do a few of
Speaker 6: the guys on the crew and you know, the team
Speaker 6: stairs in New York a little bit, but the other
Speaker 6: actors were really nice. I just remember it feeling really good.
Speaker 6: I felt like I felt like I was in really
Speaker 6: good hands, you know. So I made sure I was prepared,
Speaker 6: and I mean, which I usually do, but I really
Speaker 6: want to make sure. I remember when I got beat
Speaker 6: up outside the car. Those guys actually hit me in
Speaker 6: the ribs, you know, so I because they got to
Speaker 6: kick you in stop and there's a couple little you know,
Speaker 6: too enthusiastic, you know. But it wasn't bad though. That's fine.
Speaker 6: I mean that kind of what happens. I get beat
Speaker 6: up in a lot of more. Either I'm beating somebody up.
Speaker 6: I used to either beat people up or get beaten up.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you prefer?
Speaker 6: Uh, you know what, I'm a little I prefer to
Speaker 6: get I prefer to probably beat somebody up now because
Speaker 6: well here's the difference. I'm older now, so you know,
Speaker 6: there's only so much I can beat somebody up. That's
Speaker 6: you know, on the screen what I'm asked to do.
Speaker 6: But when I first started, first time, somebody, I remember direct,
Speaker 6: can you take who I need somebody take a punch,
Speaker 6: go to the floor. I'll do it. I'll do it,
Speaker 6: you know. I take my punchy. You just gotta you know,
Speaker 6: you gotta time it and snap your head so it
Speaker 6: really looks like you're getting in or it. They put
Speaker 6: the sound effects in later because the guy's missing you
Speaker 6: by this much, you know, at least that much. Just
Speaker 6: the camera angle. So I get hit and I go
Speaker 6: to the floor, and then they go, okay, let's do
Speaker 6: it again. That was great, not just to me. The
Speaker 6: scene right, great, Let's do it again, do it again,
Speaker 6: do it again, do it again. This angle, that angle,
Speaker 6: this angle. So after that, I learned not to volunteer
Speaker 6: to get hit and go to the floor. So somebody
Speaker 6: when they say we got you know, we got a fight,
Speaker 6: you can take a punch. How about I take a
Speaker 6: punch and I just kind of go back against the
Speaker 6: wall like this as opposed down on my knees, you know. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, that's what it was, because they used
Speaker 6: to be bigger fights. I did a Spike Lee movie
Speaker 6: Summer of sam and in the area have the Fight.
Speaker 4: I love that movie too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I got to beat people up in that one.
Speaker 6: But but the difference is, like when you get hit,
Speaker 6: you gotta go down. You gotta do it twenty more
Speaker 6: times at different angles, you know. So I learned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, Well there's.
Speaker 6: One I forget. I forgot. I'm sorry, I interrupted, No,
Speaker 6: keep talking. I forgot that then I was a player.
Speaker 1: And that oh yeah, what I was going to bring up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I forgot that I was a player. But I go,
Speaker 6: I know I'm not the I know I wasn't the rapist,
Speaker 6: you know, and now I wasn't the criminal and stuff,
Speaker 6: and then it all it comes to me, go, no,
Speaker 6: that's right, because I'm with her, and then I'm with
Speaker 6: the other one. The other one.
Speaker 1: Your wife's sister.
Speaker 4: Your wife's sister, such a sister.
Speaker 6: That was a tough one. I had to say my
Speaker 6: wife's sister. Oh jeez, I forgot I did that. And
Speaker 6: then and then because then I remember because the guy
Speaker 6: who played uh what was his name? The girl? The
Speaker 6: woman was fantastic.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and the guy was his name?
Speaker 1: Is? Like here, somebody the guy who plays is you're
Speaker 1: talking about the other guy?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: But what was his character? He had a character name?
Speaker 4: Oh, twelve nineteen or something.
Speaker 6: Twelve nineteen is what he had on his lists because
Speaker 6: it was that thing. But I think he had him
Speaker 6: and FANTASTICA were a team, and I forget what his
Speaker 6: superhero name was. But either way, I just that's when
Speaker 6: I remember it. I well, yeah, he put it in mind,
Speaker 6: he sent me in the car, he set it up.
Speaker 6: It was him, you know, everything else, And then it
Speaker 6: all kind of came to me. So what was great
Speaker 6: was I hadn't seen it basically since it came out
Speaker 6: so when I'm watching it and I'm like, hey, that's
Speaker 6: pretty good. That's pretty good, you know. And it's hard
Speaker 6: watching yourself over and over because I'm not I'm not
Speaker 6: you know, you're always kind of satisfying. You never I'm
Speaker 6: never fully satisfied with what I'm doing on the screen.
Speaker 6: But I watched it and I was able to sit
Speaker 6: back and just enjoy the show. Again, it's a great
Speaker 6: you could see it in there. Just what a well
Speaker 6: oiled machine that is, you know, so you get to
Speaker 6: you can really appreciate s for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so good because even though I've seen
Speaker 2: it a few times, I still really thought that it
Speaker 2: was you. But the Philander stuff is very funny. I
Speaker 2: love when SVU gets funny and when you start talking
Speaker 2: about all the women you're with, it is like a
Speaker 2: nice funny moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and listen, I'm not Brad Pitt, So you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not asked to play those roles too many times,
Speaker 6: you know, because who's going to believe it?
Speaker 1: Well, you're supposed to be a big chef, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of that that goes on
Speaker 1: in the restaurant world late nights.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I did have a nice chef nice chef's shirt.
Speaker 4: They give you a nice chef shirt. And you ever
Speaker 4: take things from set for memories?
Speaker 6: No, they don't let it. I mean, I don't ever
Speaker 6: take anything. If there's something I really want, I asked him.
Speaker 6: I was doing a movie called Nana's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to know about that, because this same movie
Speaker 1: seems right up my alley.
Speaker 6: Oh, you gotta watch it. You got to see it.
Speaker 6: It's a lot of fun. I usually do movies that
Speaker 6: are are This movie is a real good, feel good movie.
Speaker 6: You know, there's no real cursing, nobody's getting beat up.
Speaker 6: It's just a really it's just a nice story. And
Speaker 6: it's based on the true story, so it's kind of
Speaker 6: got a good feeling to it. You'll get a little
Speaker 6: choked up. So I really liked it. And by the way,
Speaker 6: and I've done a movie with Joe Manganello. We did
Speaker 6: a baseball movie and he's a great guy. And then
Speaker 6: Lorraine Brocco, you know, Andrea di Matteo. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: you know, so there was people I knew, you know,
Speaker 6: on the on the set and everything, so they you know,
Speaker 6: they were great. But why did I.
Speaker 4: Even bring up on us well, you took something.
Speaker 6: Right, So you generally don't take anything on the set.
Speaker 6: You know, you can ask it if you could tell
Speaker 6: if something's not needed anymore, Hey can I have that?
Speaker 6: But what no way I want. I don't take it
Speaker 6: to put up on a shelf or anything. On that
Speaker 6: movie though you guys haven't seen it, there's a big
Speaker 6: Italian street fair, you know, all food outside, and they
Speaker 6: had like all cans of olive oil and tonatives and everything.
Speaker 6: We finished shooting, I go, what are you gonna do
Speaker 6: with that stuff? You know, so the props goes, Hey,
Speaker 6: you could take. So I took some olive oil and
Speaker 6: kids at domates and stuff like that because they were
Speaker 6: just gonna ship it somewhere else and was staying at
Speaker 6: it was outside for a long time. You know, that
Speaker 6: kind of thing. But that's a prop. When you're done
Speaker 6: with the props, you know that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I would take and news, but I don't take a momento.
Speaker 6: I don't take like an ash tray from a hotel
Speaker 6: movie scene that I was in or something. Does anybody
Speaker 6: use ashtrays anymore?
Speaker 4: I don't know I do, but I'm a pothead more.
Speaker 6: It's well, then you need an ash. If I get
Speaker 6: an ass stray, I will send it to you.
Speaker 1: What do you get like recognized for the most like
Speaker 1: are people calling you out from Sopranos or they're all
Speaker 1: while you were sleeping fans or what?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well around those actually plese you know people say
Speaker 6: that because I mean I'm older, but you know they
Speaker 6: kind of recognized me for that. One guy said you
Speaker 6: were you were you were Grandma? That movie I get
Speaker 6: recognized for and h while you were sleeping, And it's
Speaker 6: usually one time. I had a woman and her daughter
Speaker 6: and her daughter was like you know, twenty something. They go,
Speaker 6: oh my god, your favorite movie and watching every Christmas.
Speaker 6: You know, it was like you know, and the mother
Speaker 6: saw it when she was younger, and then she introduced
Speaker 6: it to the daughter. So I always liked that kind
Speaker 6: of thing, you know, I uh. And then the Sopranos. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the Sopranos, and you know it gets wild when they
Speaker 6: and what I do I mean not a lot of
Speaker 6: people saw it, unfortunately, was Death to Smoochi. Yeah, that character,
Speaker 6: the character I played was a punch trunk boxer. So
Speaker 6: the people who see that movie are a little rabbit
Speaker 6: about it. So when I meet one of them. They go,
Speaker 6: oh my god, it's been done so and mostly I
Speaker 6: get this, Hey, I know, oh man, you're an actor.
Speaker 6: I know I've seen you in so many things. Oh
Speaker 6: my well, tell me what you've been And I go,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do that. Just look my name, like,
Speaker 6: here's my name. I can't go through a list. I
Speaker 6: used to try to. I used to go while you sleeping. No, no,
Speaker 6: it's not that. What else? Volcano?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: What else? This movie? That movie? Now, I don't know
Speaker 6: what kind of movies you want. I can't go through
Speaker 6: the whole IAMTB.
Speaker 4: It's like one hundred credits.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's they recognize the face, they recognized the voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like we you know, sodays we hear
Speaker 1: about from actors on different shows where like or movies
Speaker 1: where when it's such a huge hit, it like bonds
Speaker 1: everybody together. Do you still talk to like a lot
Speaker 1: of the Sopranos guys or like run into each other
Speaker 1: a lot?
Speaker 6: And yeah, okay, so I'll tell you this. We all
Speaker 6: kind of knew each other coming up. Michael imperially. I
Speaker 6: did my first movie with Michael, who was a great
Speaker 6: guy of great actor and funny. We he had it.
Speaker 6: He was doing All Off Broadway as I was doing
Speaker 6: my theater company, and we happened to do the same play,
Speaker 6: you know, different productions of the Canadian tiny Canadian playwright.
Speaker 6: And so we you know, when we first met, we
Speaker 6: talked about that. Just by chance we did that. I
Speaker 6: did my first movie with him and with Vince Denafrio
Speaker 6: and and then so you got to know the other people.
Speaker 6: I did this movie called Angie with Jimmy Gandelfini. It
Speaker 6: was called Angie, I says, but then it became Angie
Speaker 6: and it was Geena Davis Haena to Toro was.
Speaker 1: In It's for You, Judge.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right, She's yes for you.
Speaker 1: J Just Angie movie looks so familiar, like I watched
Speaker 1: it when I was like a kid or something exactly.
Speaker 6: You watched it when you you you watched it all
Speaker 6: those years ago. So that's where I met Jimmy. We
Speaker 6: really kind of bonded. We're very close, Jimmy and I.
Speaker 6: We go out, you know, drinking every once in a
Speaker 6: while and and and things like that. So I knew Jimmy.
Speaker 6: Then I did Demi Moore to Me More and Alec
Speaker 6: Baldwin movie The Juror, and Jimmy was in it, so
Speaker 6: I would say him. We went up for a lot
Speaker 6: of the same roles, so we got to know so
Speaker 6: we would see each other and again we went out
Speaker 6: socially and would have a good time. So I knew
Speaker 6: those guys and I knew Michael. I did a movie
Speaker 6: with Tony si Rico, who played Pauli Walnuts and the Sopranos,
Speaker 6: a weekend movie. It was like every weekend we shot
Speaker 6: and we I never saw in a movie. But we
Speaker 6: shot it in a strip club because the guy who
Speaker 6: was shooting it ran security at the strip club and
Speaker 6: he got Saturday mornings or he got Sunday mornings, you know,
Speaker 6: when the place it was all closed. We shot for
Speaker 6: a few hours. I never saw a move, but I
Speaker 6: met Tony Cirico. He was a great guy and fortunately
Speaker 6: the best way. A few years ago, Viny Pastor, you know,
Speaker 6: I did a movie with him called Two Family House.
Speaker 6: So I'll see Vinnie every once in a while, and
Speaker 6: I know I'm missing somebody. But the thing is, do
Speaker 6: you see everybody everybody's you know, doing their family. Every
Speaker 6: family has grown. You see each other occasionally occasionally you
Speaker 6: talk to each other when that was going on. I
Speaker 6: was only in it for a few episodes, you know,
Speaker 6: but we but like I say, I already done it.
Speaker 6: I think I did maybe four movies with Jimmy, maybe
Speaker 6: five Michael a couple of movies. Michael was a co
Speaker 6: writer on Summer of Sam So and Michael, so I knew,
Speaker 6: you know Michael that way. So we would look each
Speaker 6: other up in the city and go out. Those guys
Speaker 6: would be running all over the city. They're making appearances
Speaker 6: together all the time. So there was a really close
Speaker 6: little tribe going on. And I would be there from
Speaker 6: time to time, but it would be more like a
Speaker 6: personal dinner with Michael, with Jimmy or whenever you would
Speaker 6: see them. Everybody loved to see each other. But but
Speaker 6: they you know, they couldn't go anywhere, you know, and
Speaker 6: the city was open to them, you know, they would
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, so that was a great time
Speaker 6: that way. Did I answer you question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm no, It's okay.
Speaker 2: You guys all talk well, what is there anything you'd
Speaker 2: like to that's coming out?
Speaker 4: But talk about something that's coming out.
Speaker 6: Well, it's already out, known as his Out, which I
Speaker 6: think is a really good movie. For it's a family
Speaker 6: you can watch it with your family, you know, it's
Speaker 6: nice and everybody's a little older in the cast, but
Speaker 6: the theme. Anybody can watch it.
Speaker 1: And right, yeah, it's on Netflix Share.
Speaker 6: And I did a movie called Alto Knights that came
Speaker 6: out a few months ago with De Niro, Robert de Niro,
Speaker 6: Barry Levinson director.
Speaker 1: Did you clarify that it was Robert de Niro? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a different DeNiro, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but different DeNiro plays two roles in it.
Speaker 4: So Alto Nights, huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the yeah, Alto Nights.
Speaker 1: And then this looks very DeNiro.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's very DeNiro. And he's a traumatous, really soft spoken,
Speaker 6: focused man, focused actor. I mean a man is all
Speaker 6: eighty years old now maybe, but I mean focused, knows
Speaker 6: his stuff. He's really and gentle, gentle man. You know,
Speaker 6: you know you're in especially as a younger Italian guy. Listen,
Speaker 6: when I first came into the you guys are going
Speaker 6: to get thrown off the area. I'm just telling old stories.
Speaker 6: But when I first came into when I was first studying,
Speaker 6: you know, when I first moved into the city. You know,
Speaker 6: you want to meet Daniro, you want to meet Paccino.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a young Italian American actor and there
Speaker 6: philosophy is my philosophy and acting method, acting all this
Speaker 6: other stuff. So I always thought they're going to call
Speaker 6: me kid. I just want to be called kid, you know,
Speaker 6: on the the set one day. You know, if I
Speaker 6: haven't make it, that was gonna say, kid, come here,
Speaker 6: I'll take you under my wing. You know, I finally
Speaker 6: meet him. I'm no longer a kid. He didn't call
Speaker 6: me kid, but I was, like I wanted to say,
Speaker 6: I just called me kid, just so at once. I've
Speaker 6: been thinking of it for forty years. But but he was.
Speaker 6: He was a really good gentleman. He gave me to
Speaker 6: gave me the look, so I said, okay, I got
Speaker 6: the look of approval.
Speaker 1: So that's just good. This is awesome. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking the time to talk to us. Michael Hey,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 6: This works out perfectly because I gotta go meet somebody.
Speaker 6: But but I have to tell you I am. I'm
Speaker 6: really happy for you guys. Congratulations on you five years.
Speaker 6: I hope you go twenty six years.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Many seasons as SVU.
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll say, all right, take care guys.
Speaker 1: That was fun as fuck. He is a character so
Speaker 1: funny but like also down to earth and just like yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Remember so much prepare Yeah, speaking of being prepared, our
Speaker 2: story watched the episode, had things to say, thought about everything,
Speaker 2: and when he guess while you were sleeping instead of Rounders,
Speaker 2: it did make me laugh. It's like when I get
Speaker 2: into an uber and they start playing Lady Gaga, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you got me right, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it ended up being Rounders. But when he said,
Speaker 1: well you are sleeping, I guess that's what I give.
Speaker 1: But we loved we loved that movie, like I remember
Speaker 1: my mom and I loving it. So the nineties were
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel crazy, just wish you
Speaker 1: could go back in time and just watch a VHS
Speaker 1: tape and like, I don't know, not live this life.
Speaker 1: You know. I was just seeing this thing on Instagram
Speaker 1: today about how like it was. It was some article
Speaker 1: about like how teens like are jealous of a pre
Speaker 1: like internet time like today's teens like they do kind
Speaker 1: of want to know what it was like like before
Speaker 1: they were We were all like glued to our phones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Internet will be shut down sooner
Speaker 2: or later, so we're not talking to each other, so
Speaker 2: they'll know.
Speaker 4: Soon it'll be pay It'll be like I mean.
Speaker 2: They wanted nineties fun, but they might end up getting
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties starving, and.
Speaker 1: Then we're all gonna have to become bang gangs of
Speaker 1: superheroes doing vigilant justice on the streets and like saving
Speaker 1: people from getting like, you know, taken by the state
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know what are our little superhero
Speaker 1: names going to be fantastic? I feel like I've thought
Speaker 1: of fun like drag slash superhero names before.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at my little Boo Boo box and
Speaker 2: it says boom on it. Oh, but that's that's actually
Speaker 2: called kobanas thing boom boom.
Speaker 1: Do you get a new La Boo Boo?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: But I have the boxes.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, okay, I thought maybe I saw you
Speaker 1: unboxing a new La Boo Boo.
Speaker 4: No, it's listen the videos go up. When they go up.
Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I not mean to bring up a dead relative. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I just uh, I Rosie had her La Booo in
Speaker 1: her backpack that she's been bringing a camp every day
Speaker 1: and today I saw it in there and I go,
Speaker 1: I'm taking this out. I go, you know, Lisa got
Speaker 1: her La Boo Boo stolen. She was like really, And
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, and so did someone else I know?
Speaker 1: And she goes, maybe the same person stole both of them.
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe maybe the little Boo Boo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I told her we got a a La Booo
Speaker 1: at home. It's your prize possession. But takeaways post mortem
Speaker 1: from this episode, what do you I mean, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's hard for me to say, like, don't
Speaker 1: do vigilante justice because sometimes it does feel like we're
Speaker 1: on the precipice of that being like our only option.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I need to get a sword.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your mode. A sword is how you're gonna
Speaker 1: defend yourself when they take over. I think we need
Speaker 1: a taser, a stung like, something that's a little bit
Speaker 1: more electronic.
Speaker 4: I don't know, sword work. That seems very difficult.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to charge the tasers, yep, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna have keep your taser charged. I mean, I never
Speaker 1: want to. I've never wanted to own a gun, but
Speaker 1: I haven't either. Wait, Joel, it has to take me shooting.
Speaker 1: I got a text her. Oh yeah, maybe I'll make
Speaker 1: her do it. Oh we could do like a joint
Speaker 1: birthday shooting events. Oh yeah, her birthdays around yours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a very guy to.
Speaker 2: But she's September, but like September third or fourth, something
Speaker 2: like that. I actually had a lot of friends I
Speaker 2: remember in school that were September one, two, three, vibes.
Speaker 2: But I was August thirty first, so I was a
Speaker 2: full year younger than them.
Speaker 4: They were all a full year old.
Speaker 2: Because once your birthdays post September, you have to like, wait, yeah.
Speaker 1: You actually have the craziest birthday if you were to
Speaker 1: be in the school systems in LA, because you have
Speaker 1: to be Oh no, actually no, you would have the
Speaker 1: most you'd be the youngest person in your whole strade.
Speaker 1: But that's how it was because for me, Oh really,
Speaker 1: because you could. It was very loose back then. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to put your kid in a year early
Speaker 1: you could, or late you could. Now it's like you
Speaker 1: have to be four, but to enter the public school
Speaker 1: you have before by September second. So if you're born
Speaker 1: on like September third, you're definitely gonna be like the oldest.
Speaker 6: You know that.
Speaker 1: It's really strict and they make no exceptions. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: neighbor was like one year old, certa and stuff. We
Speaker 1: would go to school.
Speaker 4: Oh, I had a friend like school who was older
Speaker 4: than me too. I was young. I was young.
Speaker 1: They shot me right into school early. Like being young,
Speaker 1: I like, I always hated it in terms of getting
Speaker 1: my license and like everybody because I wanted to get it,
Speaker 1: like when everybody else was getting it, but then and
Speaker 1: then turning twenty one. But then like after I was
Speaker 1: twenty one, I was like, oh, being young is the
Speaker 1: best you know? No, I always yeah, being a little baby,
Speaker 1: well you're just the eldest sister, so you never had it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I never felt like a baby maybe one brief
Speaker 4: year of my life.
Speaker 1: I felt like a baby when you were a baby,
Speaker 1: when I was an actual baby, and then I had
Speaker 1: two siblings by the time I was too. But I
Speaker 1: guess the takeaway from this episode is, yeah, like watch
Speaker 1: how even the nerdy comic book guy is probably posing
Speaker 1: as a serial rapist so that he can date you.
Speaker 2: It's a really fucked storyline. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you never want to suspect this of someone your date
Speaker 2: or she didn't want to date him.
Speaker 1: They were friends. Yeah, but it's also like did he
Speaker 1: shoot his shot?
Speaker 2: Like you're doing all of this vigilante work and superhero
Speaker 2: outfits and all this raping when you could have been like,
Speaker 2: do you want to go out? And then she could
Speaker 2: have been like, I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck this married chef.
Speaker 1: My bad. I'm sure he shot a shot or knew
Speaker 1: that she was definitely gonna reject him. I mean, like
Speaker 1: he he was not going to land Fantastica. But I
Speaker 1: think he thought as twelve nineteen, he would, you know,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what would be my name.
Speaker 2: Something with yeah, lion Lisa, the lion from this that's
Speaker 2: so Simpson's codd it's least a lioness.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know that's the doll's name.
Speaker 2: She had her own Malibu Stacey Doll. And oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know now, I don't know. Wrong, I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and also like, oh my god, fuck your
Speaker 1: pastry chef, but do not fuck your sister, your wife's sister.
Speaker 1: Henry Broseki Jesus God, the worst, the worst betrayal.
Speaker 2: I just totally thought, but he did it. Like I've
Speaker 2: seen this a lot. I'm like, it's the chef. I remember,
Speaker 2: but I forgot there's double twists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly feel like the stutter of Stuart kind
Speaker 1: of gave it away to me. Like I always think
Speaker 1: when they're trying to make somebody seem like more innocent
Speaker 1: or like more you know, like vulnerable, like it's there
Speaker 1: they are hiding something, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand why I can't get an easy answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It's Lisa lion Heart. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck lion Heart. It's like I forgot how to
Speaker 2: google or something like nothing. It just kept showing me
Speaker 2: other things. Lisa lion Heart was the doll that Lisa created.
Speaker 4: It's a fun episode.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I want a superhero name.
Speaker 1: Fuck. I think the Lioness is kind of a good one.
Speaker 1: But like I wouldn't. You wouldn't like put your name
Speaker 1: in it, you know, you would just be like the
Speaker 1: something or yeah, yeah, somebody I Lady Lucky and be
Speaker 1: Lady Lucky.
Speaker 4: Lady Lucky.
Speaker 1: What's your Rosie made me look up the whole fantastic
Speaker 1: for today and tell me tell them all their powers.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2: When I went to see The Materialists, he was in
Speaker 2: almost every single preview and then in every single poster
Speaker 2: in the hallway, Like truly, he's in four movies right
Speaker 2: now that.
Speaker 1: He is the moment. He is the moment moment.
Speaker 4: Wait, what did you think of The Materialists?
Speaker 2: I liked it. There were moments I really liked and
Speaker 2: I would watch it again.
Speaker 1: But I would never tell someone to go see it
Speaker 1: and be like, it's good, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But oh, really okay, but I really wanted to go
Speaker 4: see the arts. I saw the movie theater.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: I liked the parts where like I liked it. She's
Speaker 2: not a good enough actress. Sorry, like I really like her,
Speaker 2: but like she couldn't carry this movie.
Speaker 1: So like, I mean, yeah, I like Dakota Johnson way
Speaker 1: more as a person.
Speaker 2: And the movie star. Her parents are venomous in the
Speaker 2: work she does. I think a better actress would have
Speaker 2: made it better. Also, Chris Evans like him playing poor
Speaker 2: out of work actor schlub with It's.
Speaker 1: Like Casey is shaking his head and it really it
Speaker 1: was just literally the embottoment of s md H.
Speaker 4: He was just shaking my damn head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to tell me Chris Evans didn't go
Speaker 1: to college.
Speaker 5: I agree with everything you're saying, Lisa and Dakota Johnson.
Speaker 5: It's like I grew up poor. It's like, no, you
Speaker 5: fucking didn't. Like I don't know it was it did
Speaker 5: not work for me.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She also says in it that her she made her
Speaker 2: yearly salary is eighty grand, and it's like, no way
Speaker 2: is someone with that job in New York living on
Speaker 2: that the way she liked, like it was just like
Speaker 2: why did you just say one fifty?
Speaker 4: Like if you just said one fifty it would be more.
Speaker 2: But the best line, there's like a line where page
Speaker 2: Ro's like it's hard not to believe that this isn't
Speaker 2: about the legs and like that to me was like
Speaker 2: the best part of the movie.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 5: But I didn't feel like that was supposed to be funny.
Speaker 5: Oh I know, and that's why, like, do you know
Speaker 5: what we're talking about?
Speaker 1: No, no, and we shouldn't. We shouldn't still, But I
Speaker 1: had heard from from my friend who's a movie writer
Speaker 1: He said that they released like two different trailers and
Speaker 1: one was like very rom comedy and one was very
Speaker 1: Selene songy, like one they were trying to make seem
Speaker 1: more like it's a past lives like it's a it's
Speaker 1: an A twenty four series and it's beautifully shot. I
Speaker 1: mean the song of it is like it is very pretty.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering what it ended up being, like
Speaker 1: is it wrong? But it's a bad mix of both.
Speaker 5: It feels like it has the bones of a romantic
Speaker 5: comedy with zero jokes, Like it feels like structurally it
Speaker 5: feels like a romantic comedy, but it's not funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only things that were funny but not ha ha
Speaker 2: was like her clients, Like the clients at communicating their
Speaker 2: demands of like what they're looking for and her trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out. But what I also loved about
Speaker 2: the movie is like the female boss was nice, like
Speaker 2: she was hardcore and business but was like, no, I
Speaker 2: get it, it takes some time off. Like I like that
Speaker 2: it wasn't adversarial kind of classic in that way.
Speaker 4: Well, I will watch it on a plane for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when I get a perfect plane movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw it alone on July fourth, So
Speaker 2: that's a lot of stakes on the movie. Well, my
Speaker 2: my the thing is my Australia trip got canceled right
Speaker 2: before July fourth, so a bunch of my friends did
Speaker 2: have different plans. But it's like I didn't want, I
Speaker 2: couldn't really get it together to do these.
Speaker 4: Far off things, or I didn't want.
Speaker 2: I didn't want, I didn't feel these things i'd have
Speaker 2: spot and then I just.
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm going to enjoy the city.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I walked around, You're never born in New York.
Speaker 2: You're not And so then god, except this artsy fartsy
Speaker 2: movie theater does not have a hot dog, and it's
Speaker 2: like so annoying. So I'd have a hot dog before
Speaker 2: and after, like I'm sorry, get a hot dog. You
Speaker 2: can't show an independent movie and eat a dog, like
Speaker 2: it's so annoying.
Speaker 4: But I like, I've never had a hot dog in
Speaker 4: a movie theater.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't like actually go together exactly, like perfectly
Speaker 1: to me the way for you, But I can see
Speaker 1: it's like if they didn't have like my razin utes
Speaker 1: or something, I would be mad.
Speaker 2: On July fourth, it's the July fourth elementsion. I don't
Speaker 2: know the material. I wish it was better. There's some
Speaker 2: unbelievable things, but I'm in I like the questions they
Speaker 2: propose and like the themes and I was into it.
Speaker 4: But okay, all right, I'll get back with my review.
Speaker 2: But I would never tell someone to watch it. I
Speaker 2: may but imagine a better actress, and I think it
Speaker 2: would be carried differently.
Speaker 1: I've been saying pretty much forever that I think Dakota
Speaker 1: Johnson has the charisma of Atnial.
Speaker 2: But what I mean, it's like you're trying to like
Speaker 2: you want to see the chemistry, like you want to
Speaker 2: root for the couples, you want to also be tricked by,
Speaker 2: Like who is she gonna pick? Like yeah, but there
Speaker 2: was just no chemistry. But I would pick Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 1: But I do think she's like funny on a podcast,
Speaker 1: Like I've seen her be funny and clips on podcasts,
Speaker 1: and I do think it's funny she called out Ellen,
Speaker 1: Like there's things about Dakota as a person that I think,
Speaker 1: like the Amy Polar podcast clips. Yeah for sure, but
Speaker 1: it's just like I don't you're not want to go
Speaker 1: see her?
Speaker 2: Your mom's Melanie Griffith. Your stepdad's an sonyo, Benderaz, your
Speaker 2: dad is Don Johnson. Stop trying to be relatable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: your mom grew up a lions, legit lions.
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