WEBVTT - An Interview with Tim Ross- Welcome to the Basement 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.639 My league books has how the knowledge you want? 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.400 My league, but has how the knowledge you need? 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.039 Chat they have out the books that the whole wild 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:15.320 world one of read Malague books. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.320 Malik's bookshep bringing a world together with books. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.880 Culture and community. My name is Malik the hype Man 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:25.760 of Books. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:33.440 Hey, so many people have come to Malik's and said 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.520 that they loved my passion, They loved how I hype 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.199 up books. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.040 And you know what I. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.040 Was sleeping on that title. This is Malite the height 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:50.680 Man of Books. I'm going to run with this title. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.400 In fact, I think I did an episode the hype Man, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:56.920 the hype Man of Books. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.440 I believe I did you know. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:03.000 Hey, this is the nine so hungspec remember every title 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.760 that I came up on this podcast, but this is 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.760 the ninety six episode, and I'm going to feature this 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:15.560 interview I had with Tim Ross, who brought out this 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:22.280 explosive and electric book. Last Thursday, March twenty first, at 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.600 Elite Books. I hosted Tim Ross, who wrote this explosive 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:34.040 and electric book called Welcome to the Basement and Upside 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.800 Down God to Greatness. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:44.720 And it was fire. The crowd came out in full 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:45.319 for we. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.440 Felt up belief books. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.840 We had man standing room only. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:02:03.920 It was electric, fiery, informative, shattering, uplifting, motivating, inspiring. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:09.440 The bottom line is we had God shaking up up 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.799 in there. And you know what I'm saying. We had 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.680 you know, we called it Church called it, the Masque 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.320 called it whatever. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:21.080 This was the Word of God taking place and it 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:28.520 was touching in the testimonies that people came up after 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:34.080 I interviewed Tim Bross to testimonies, they came up to 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.200 talk to him about personally as he signed their books. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:46.000 People crying, just loving, very emotional to hear some of 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:52.800 their stories. I mean, this brother, Tim Bross, change many 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.200 of their lives, well some of their lives. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.280 This guy is. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.560 In the streets and the highways and the bus always 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.519 upsetting the. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.560 Norms of Christianity. He has a whole new, refreshing. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.480 Approach to. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.320 God's message as a Christian. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:22.560 And I had a chance to interview him, the hype 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.600 man of books, and I prepared myself, read the book, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:32.200 had my questions, and the conversation was electric. I believe 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:40.880 God led my words and I was able to. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.119 Bring out. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.000 So much to the audience out of tend with the 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.400 questions that I was inspired to ask him, and it 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.920 just made for a good talk, a good book talk 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.720 about on Welcome to the Basement, and it afforded him 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.280 the opportunity to talk about his Masterpiecet that he was 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.760 inspired to write by. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:08.880 God, and it was touching and powerful. We all had 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.800 a good time. We had church. Like I said, he upset, 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:14.760 you know, like I asked him. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.160 I said, well, when you when you change up like 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:23.679 who you upset? He said that myself because the things 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.880 that I like to do, I'm now being held accountable 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.840 and pushing myself away from those things to clean myself 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.560 up from those things. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:39.080 So and to make those changes. So I'm upset. So anyway, 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.160 he touched the people. He touched the people. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.880 I could look at their faces in the crowd and 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.520 can see how he touched the people and how emotional 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:55.000 they were. It was a phenomenal event. It was different. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.599 It was a sit down, it was a discussion, it 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.279 was a eat and greet, it was a book signing, 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:02.840 it was. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:03.880 All of those things. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.279 In the community came out in large numbers to show 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:17.360 the love and respect and admiration they had for his ministry. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.960 He used to be in a church, but he's no 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:25.480 longer approaching his ministry in that way. He's more in the. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.040 Streets podcasts because he has a major podcast and he has. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.080 A huge audience called Upset the Ground. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:34.400 That's his. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.599 Instagram it's called Upset the Ground. And he also have 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.359 b side app. This as part of his podcast that 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:50.400 Tim Ross has. That's his miniature, his podcast, him moving 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:56.240 in and out different communities across the nation, and he's 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.960 touched a lot of people because I seen he came 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.839 to liv he lived in Texas. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:02.800 That understanding. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:08.440 He came out to La to Malik books and shut 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:15.919 down the roof. That's how powerful this book signing was. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.000 Our conversation was. Well, that's what I'm going to feature 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:25.320 on this episode of ninety six. This episode ninety six 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.720 is Welcome to the Basement, an interview with Tim. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:38.320 Rosss So in Jordan. Can y'all hear me? 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:46.000 Welcome to Malik, folks. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.200 I'm excited, I'm excited. This is amazing. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.000 I'm glad everyone came here early so we can started 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:52.559 on time. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:55.000 This is gonna be. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.719 A wonderful, wonderful conversation. I want everybody to make sure 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.039 you out Elie Books. I want to make sure everybody's 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:10.240 following Tim Ross right guests today, just to give you 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.360 a little background about Elite Books. We've been serving the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.120 community with books since nineteen ninety. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:20.200 It's not an easy thing. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.720 It's books, you know, has exploded over the years. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.320 I've seen the industry go up and I've seen it 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:32.400 go down. We're in an upswing where we can bring new, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.680 refreshing authors like Tim Ross to our community to talk 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.320 about his historic book. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.080 Welcome to the Basement, Upside Down, God. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.000 To this right. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.600 So I'm excited. I want to make sure that you 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.000 know a little bit about our upcoming events because it's 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.360 important for you to follow. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.840 Us to know that it don't stop today. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.200 It continues, all right, Because April eleven, we got a 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.200 young man coming in. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:06.720 He's gonna be talking about. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.600 His book Lies about Black People, and we all know 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.560 that there's a battle out there for our voice. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.200 That's why it's important. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.880 That we honored these types of authors like Tim Broncks right, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.480 because if we want to make their best sellers right now, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.200 right and. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.640 So that's April eleven, come through. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.720 Its a Thursday night, it's gonna be at seven, So 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:34.000 come through on that La Damion Williams Blood at the 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.160 Little Fantasy Book. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:36.320 He's a screen rot. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.480 You know, he got a book deal by talking about 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.400 fantasy idea and it went rival. He ended up with 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.880 a book deal man. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.040 This technology is social media. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.640 And also April twentieth and the twenty. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.840 First is the La Times Festival Books. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.200 We're gonna be out there and we're blessed to. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:05.079 Curate the children's stage all in about thirty authors and 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.720 we are honored to be the book seller for the 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.720 main stage for children out there. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.760 So come through, Come through. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:13.800 That's an honor. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.880 You know, it ain't gonna be got a few specs 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.439 of us out there, so come through our voice battas. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.439 Now, we also got. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.920 Our booth which is eight eighty and we're gonna probably 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.840 we're gonna We're not probably, but we're gonna have some 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.920 authors as well at our booth. Uh, stay tuned. That's 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.080 why you better follow Elite votes so you know what's popping. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.080 All right. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:44.959 So so I'm gonna move on to introduce our honored guests. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.440 All right, he's been on a world wind book tour 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.520 and he's gracing us today at Elite Books. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.280 Ten rocks now. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:10:05.720 He was born in Inglewood, California hometown. Right, listen, what's 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.600 amazing is that sometimes we don't know how we end up, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.560 but you know, you'll find out if you. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.600 Live long enough where you should be. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.320 And I'm Kim Rosson found his calling and his calling 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.960 is led to this new book, Welcome to the Basement, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.320 and he's here today to talk about the upside kind 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.240 of God to greatness. And so without further ado, you 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.560 know I can go through the long fi yo, but 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.440 we're gonna be in the conversation today. So let's bring 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.280 him out with a thunderous ride of applause. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:42.760 Till the brook. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.760 WHOA, what's up? 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.160 People? 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.080 Ain't the rest of the model no what to do? 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:15.520 Right now? 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.280 They're like, I came in here to get some Canda 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:24.240 Express and they're making too much good over there. I 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.800 love y'all. Thank y'all so much for talking. Love y'all, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.560 thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, y'all give it up, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:41.679 and mister Malie, I can destroyed in there. I know 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.600 y'all are excited and some of y'all scared. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.880 You get these books in your life, Yes, sir, I'll 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.240 be back you say. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:51.400 So. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.280 That's good, wonderful wonder for my brother. Thank you, thank you. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.200 You've been touring the country and you you told me 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.000 that you went intentional about supporting black. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.680 Bookssellers around this nation. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.760 So I just want to appreciate that because it takes 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.360 us being intentional to move forward in the future. Sir, 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.200 it's our responsibility to addrest certain things. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.439 In our community. And I'm forced matters and that's why 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.040 we exist. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.400 And you make my job easier by having such a 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.720 wonderful book that I had the pleasure of reading. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.760 Now I'm going to be in conversation with my brother local. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:30.959 I love it. I love it. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:31.240 You know. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.200 My first question is tell us about your book and 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.319 what was the motivation behind me? 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.040 So I had how many people that read the book already? Sweet? 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.600 I love you guys, and I love all of you 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.640 all that haven't and didn't lie about it just now, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.560 like there was no fear pressure. They were just like, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.560 I have not read your book fairly, but I'm here. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.000 So I. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.319 Had open vision when I was thirty years old. And 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.240 I don't want that to sound like too deep. All 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.400 the vision is is a dream, but you're awake, that's 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.840 all it is. So I had this vision, and I 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.800 wasn't like in prayer or nothing like that. I think 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.720 I was watching like part of the interruption on ESPN 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.880 with Mike Wilbond and Tony Cordenizer. But God can speak 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.199 to you at any time. So I have this open 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.679 vision and then this vision there's this one hundred story 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:33.760 building and my thought I was supposed to be at 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.840 the top, and I got to the top only to 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.000 find out I was really supposed to be at the bottom. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:40.800 What I now know is the basement. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.720 And the reason why we call it a upside down 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.200 the great upside down Guide to greatness is because when 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.080 you get it, when you really step into the Kingdom 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.920 of God, you realize that the way in is actually out, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.800 the way up is actually down, the way to get 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.080 is to give, and the way to live is to die. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:12.160 And so when you have that much counter cultural fel 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.920 philosophical uh uh philosophy, and ideology, you just realize that 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.440 when you give your life to Jesus, your your whole 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.920 life does get turned upside down. The Bible is the 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.760 most upsetting book that's ever been written. Jesus lived the 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.840 most upsetting life that's ever been lived, and on January fourteenth, 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.280 ninety six, my life was turned upside down. That's twenty 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.640 eight years ago. I haven't turned back since. So this, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.600 this is it forever forever. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.640 You know, you never know when your touch with inspiration 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.280 to write the spirit that came to you. I mean, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:04.040 I find myself sometimes sitting be late at night with thoughts, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.640 and so we know that this is not your first book. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.080 This is your second book. So what's the difference. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.720 The difference is it's a full narrative. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:14.960 Now. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.000 When I wrote Upset the World, I wrote it because 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.720 I felt like that was the burden that got laid 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.280 on my heart. And the book came out in twenty twenty, 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.480 and it fumbled like it was a pandemic book. The 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.800 publisher didn't really know who my audience was, They didn't 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.720 know who to get the book to, And it was 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:42.160 almost like all that happened just for me to clarify 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.480 my voice and to get specifical on what this was 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.880 really about. Upset the World is not the full revelation. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.280 The basement is. And so to talk about being upside 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.080 down without talking about the basement is like getting half 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.160 for the code. You don't even understand where it's coming 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.600 from and since I was thirty years old, I've been 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.760 living with this basement mentality and this basement philosophy. So 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.400 sometimes sometimes you can write a book. And first of all, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.280 you shouldn't write books. If I'm talking to believers in 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.320 this room, you shouldn't write a book unless God tells 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:23.720 you to come on, like if you just write books. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.200 I don't like doing nothing that I ain't supposed to 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.240 be doing. I wouldn't have been a preacher if you'd 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:32.840 have left me alone, I would have did something else 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.120 with my life. But he told me to write the book, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.640 and I wasn't looking for the book to sell. I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.040 was looking to be obedient in writing the book. But 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.080 I learned something about me and writing that book, and 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:55.160 that's what led to this. And once we got this out, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.200 it was like God kissed it. French kissed it. Yeah, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:05.680 it just it just went up, he did. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:06.920 Yeah. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.040 Yeah. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.879 You know you're talking about the upset, and I know 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.399 your world has been turned upside down with the loss 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:14.800 of your. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.840 Father, and I appreciate you standing. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.359 Of course, just before the tour, you lost your father, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.760 and so I know that your world had been turned 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.679 upside down. Talk about the challenges and what you've been 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 going through in terms of dealing with that. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.280 Yeah, So my daddy was my hero. Charles errad Ross 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.119 is my absolute hero. I am the man that is 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.080 sitting in this chair today because of the man that 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.080 he was. And so I didn't grow up with any 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:52.520 father wounds growing up in Inglewood, LA Area. All the 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.760 places that we were at, my dad was really the 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.600 only dad on the entire block. Like at all of 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.119 my homies, my dad was their dad because their dads 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.600 were not in their life. And so whereas most of 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.520 the black men in the neighborhood I was growing up 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.399 in were fatherless, I don't know what it is not 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.840 to have my daddy's voice until February twenty fourth of 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.080 this year. So I lived almost forty nine years and 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.679 my daddy's voice was in my life prevalent. He was 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:31.359 always encouraging, He was always present. He was at the games. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.879 He was at my talent shows. When I was in 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.560 show choir wearing funny cumber buns and bow times, he 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.320 was like, that's my song. When I did talent shows 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.160 in school, I see my childhood friends right there, right 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.920 all right there, These are all my people right here. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.920 I almost jumped up my skin when I saw y'all. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:57.000 I almost forgot I was like doing an interview. I 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:01.639 can't wait to ull y'all girl. So my dad was 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:06.040 just always president. So not having his voice in my 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.960 life right now is the strangest thing. I can't even 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:15.520 describe how strange it is. It feels. I've heard people 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.399 that have lost the limb talk about what they referred 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.959 to as a phantom itch. The limb is gone, but 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.359 they still wake up in the night and go to 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.880 reach to scratch their leg, but the leg's not there. 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.760 And so I can't tell you how many times I've 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.480 been on the road and like, got to call Daddy 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.600 and let him know I made it. I gotta call 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.640 Daddy and tell him, Oh my god, I can't believe 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:43.240 you know that this place is sold out. And he's 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:48.880 not gonna answer that phone. I pay his phone bill, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.120 so I don't know when I'm gonna get that phone 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.879 de activated, because I just might want to ring his 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.600 phone and hear his little craggly voice, be like, you 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:04.760 reach Charles, leave a message, you know. But I do 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.680 have a overwhelming sense of peace and and my heart 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:15.280 is full. Somebody said, do you feel father less since 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:22.840 he died, and I don't. I feel father full. My 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:31.000 Daddy filled my heart with his love and his presence, 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.919 and I don't have any holes in my heart, so 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:41.240 ain't nothing leaking. So I'm carrying them with me, except 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:43.040 three different. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.120 You know, I lost my mom in the June twenty fifth, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.119 twenty twenty three, and five months later I lost my 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:56.359 sister and she was the oldest, so I was happy 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:57.680 to get out of twenty twenty three. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:58.000 Yeahs. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:03.240 And so I'm grieving, and you know, everybody loved it, mama, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.280 and so she's not here with us any longer, but 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.720 I feel like she is because I wouldn't be here 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.760 without and so I share your grief. It's just we 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:20.160 all process grief different and so, and that's the reason 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.320 why I wanted to ask you that question, because you know, 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.960 that's something that is a long process, and each day 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.480 something to rip off the band aid and the wound 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.320 opens up, and so those things that we can't control. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.680 But you here the day, and I'm sure your father 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:46.480 will be please and I'm sure he's happy when because 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.560 you talk about that in your book. You talk about 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.320 the day that you had the itch and you had, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:56.240 you couldn't wait to share that you was ready to announce. 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.320 You accepted Jesus your Lord and saved right. And so 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:06.440 you talk talk about that day in church after you know, partying. 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.399 All night carrying your mama and daddy to church. 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:16.560 Yep, yep, yep, yep. You read the book for sure. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.600 you read the book for real. So my parents started 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.240 a church that in our house, like it literally started 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.000 in our house nine fifteen Hertbuth Belinda, California, nine one 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:35.000 seven four four, and we moved all the living room furniture. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.480 We went to Ace Hardware, brought thirty brown chairs. My 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.840 godmother and my godfather pastor to church in Compton. They 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.479 had an extra pool pit in storage. We put it 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:49.640 on a dolly, rolled it into our house, set it up, 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:54.240 and my mom was the lead pastor of the church. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.280 Now, if you are. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.600 In here and you have any theological squabbles around women preachers, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.080 then you need to walk out right now, because a 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:09.320 woman preachers church is what led me to Jesus. So 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.320 whatever you think about it, I'm just I'm just letting 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.879 you know you may not want to listen to me 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:15.320 no more. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.200 Because the first teacher is a woman, the mother of 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.359 simplstration the people. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:28.240 So you know just why people think that today? Yeah, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.760 well well they do. I won't get off into that anyway. 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.480 So it went from it went from our living room 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:42.720 to at the time, this is ninety six, we were 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.200 having church in a banquet room of a bowling alley. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:52.520 So don't think like a church. We in a banquet 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.040 room of a bowling alley. Like in between praise and 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:03.760 worship songs, you hear bowling balls knocking over pens. Okay, 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.760 Yolanda's mama is my Sunday school teacher. To this day, 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.960 she's the only Sunday school kids teacher I claim to 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:16.000 this day. Beverly Walker is her mama. And that was 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.320 my Sunday school teacher. And Sunday school had just ended. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.560 My memory ain't short. That's another thing y'all gotta understand 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.360 about me. I don't forget nobody you did anything nice 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.280 for me. I will never forget you. I might forget 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.680 your name, but I will not forget what you did 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:36.399 for me. And so Beverly Walker, you know, was my 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.359 Sunday school teacher. We had just finished Sunday school morning worship, 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.600 had just started. I'm sitting on the back I'm sitting 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.600 on the back road to church. I can hear the 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:53.040 bowling pins for real from the back row, and I 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:54.960 I heard the Holy Spirit say to me as clear 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.160 as I'm talking to you right now, mister Malie, you're 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:05.639 a sinner. Thre words. That's it, You're a sinner. And 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.480 there was no condemnation in the statement. It was like 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:13.000 saying you got on a long sleeve hoodie. He was 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:17.440 like pointing something out. But the moment he pointed it out, 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:22.200 the moment I felt disconnected from God and out of nowhere, 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.080 I just started to crying. I'm just crying on the 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:28.399 back row. And this is a Pentecostal church in a 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:36.600 bowling alley. Dan ain't got nothing that time. Sunday school 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.199 had just ended, morning worship had just started. I'm like, 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.520 because I think too much and I'm a literalist, and 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.639 I'll be processing everything real time. I'm like, I'm probably 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:51.520 three and a half hours from salvation. Like, there's gonna 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.160 be an a B C. D selection, that's gonna they're 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.719 gonna raise the offering, there's gonna be a cermaonic solo. 0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.760 Then it's gonna be a sermon, and then that could 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.080