Speaker 1: I'm Teddy Mellencamp and this is Emily Simpson and you're
Speaker 1: listening to popping off.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: I know we were only supposed to watch, you know,
Speaker 3: one episode at a time, but couldn't couldn't.
Speaker 2: Can't stop, won't stop, had to watch all eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I had. I watched them all binge right through.
Speaker 1: It couldn't stop. So but you know, let me just
Speaker 1: say this at first, and let me ask your opinion
Speaker 1: on this. Do you feel as if maybe the premise
Speaker 1: of the show was a little bit of a bait
Speaker 1: and switch, because ultimately it's not really about the swinging part,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that was the advertised to get
Speaker 1: people to drop people in.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's I mean, I think the main
Speaker 3: point of why this show is working. And I'm I
Speaker 3: saw this somewhere on the world wide Web, so I'm
Speaker 3: not fully coming up with this opinion on my own,
Speaker 3: but I so just giving credit to where credits do.
Speaker 3: I read it, And I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: this resonated with me. Is when you go to think
Speaker 3: about any other reality television show, Yes, it's people maybe
Speaker 3: put together for certain reasons, or people knowing each other,
Speaker 3: in advance and then they're bringing on friends or whatever.
Speaker 3: But this is a group of women who joined something
Speaker 3: mom Talk solely because of how many followers they all
Speaker 3: had to continue to create clout, So none of them
Speaker 3: actually really give two shits about the other people. They
Speaker 3: just care about building themselves up, so nobody really cares
Speaker 3: about Uh.
Speaker 1: Please, please God make me the biggest star. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean wait, I think before every time we do a podcast,
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe we should do that. Please God,
Speaker 1: make us the biggest podcast ever.
Speaker 2: Please God make sure that this is.
Speaker 3: You put it into the doctrine that we have the
Speaker 3: following things.
Speaker 2: But I yes, do.
Speaker 3: I think we thought we were going to get more
Speaker 3: on the swinging a million percent. But I think the
Speaker 3: problem is is that the original women that were involved
Speaker 3: allegedly in the swinging are not on this show. Like
Speaker 3: when you even go to Jennifer afflex posts and you
Speaker 3: see like them auditioning her to be the next girl
Speaker 3: on mon Talk, it's because the original parties are no
Speaker 3: longer there.
Speaker 2: They're divorced.
Speaker 3: They're the only like I mean, yes, we see sometimes
Speaker 3: Demi or Whitney or even Layla and Macy in the
Speaker 3: original mom Talk.
Speaker 2: Videos, but Taylor is really the OG. She's the OG
Speaker 2: of the SLC.
Speaker 1: The OG of the SLC. That's good, But do you
Speaker 1: think I just feel like like Hulu maybe just did
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bait and switch. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that the show didn't live up to expectations, because
Speaker 1: clearly we loved it, We binged it, we watched all
Speaker 1: eight episodes at once. I just think maybe there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bait and switch where people
Speaker 1: were tuning in thinking they're going to get one thing
Speaker 1: and then they just got something totally different. Like I
Speaker 1: think the swinging scandal is what gets people to click
Speaker 1: on it and watch. But they stay because it's.
Speaker 2: Good, because they stay because it's good.
Speaker 3: And I think, as you know, clearly it's number one
Speaker 3: show on Hulu, so I feel like it's definitely, as
Speaker 3: you pointed out, going to get picked up again. So
Speaker 3: I think we will start to delve more into their
Speaker 3: personal relationships, and you know, without giving things away, if
Speaker 3: you haven't mentioned the entire season, and since we're solely
Speaker 3: talking about episode two, you know, we're not gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: throw away that some of the conversations that were had
Speaker 3: at the end of the season, but we start digging
Speaker 3: into their personal relationships and their marriages and their life
Speaker 3: as the season progresses. So I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 3: they pick up filming soon and just keep it going.
Speaker 3: But before we even get into episode two, I want
Speaker 3: to kind of give everybody an idea of what we're
Speaker 3: working with on each one of the ladies social media followings. Okay,
Speaker 3: So we've got Taylor, who you know, the og who
Speaker 3: was the original one that outed the swinging scandal on TikTok.
Speaker 3: She has four point two million followers on Instagram. She
Speaker 3: has four hundred and sixty four thousand followers. Uh. Then
Speaker 3: we've got Mikayla, who we already had on the pod
Speaker 3: and I wish we had been able to watch watch
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: That was I was thinking that too. I had so
Speaker 1: much like, damn, why couldn't we have watched all eight
Speaker 1: episodes and then interviewed her because we just, you know,
Speaker 1: we interviewed her before we knew we didn't Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: don't know what you don't know. So Michayla, please come back.
Speaker 1: Lots of questions, Mikayla, please come back.
Speaker 3: But I was shocked to find out that Mikayla is
Speaker 3: the second most on TikTok. She's two point five million
Speaker 3: on Instagram, She's two hundred and eighty two thousand and
Speaker 3: Something that we never really see on this show, which
Speaker 3: is something she gets a lot of traction for on
Speaker 3: her TikTok, is that she has chronic She has a
Speaker 3: chronic condition with ezema that she really struggles with and
Speaker 3: she's been unable to she was unable to leave her
Speaker 3: house for a certain amount of times, like you see
Speaker 3: her flare ups.
Speaker 2: We don't see any of that on the show.
Speaker 1: Well, but well, she talks about it a little bit.
Speaker 1: There is like a reference. There was a reference to it.
Speaker 1: And I do notice that there's a lot of times
Speaker 1: when she doesn't have any makeup on. You know, the
Speaker 1: other girls are all glammed out and she doesn't have
Speaker 1: any makeup. But clearly it's because she's having a flare up,
Speaker 1: and I think it's probably she doesn't want to put
Speaker 1: any makeup on. But I give her, I give her
Speaker 1: a lot of props, a lot of credit for just filming,
Speaker 1: you know, with a exema flare up and no makeup on.
Speaker 1: A lot of housewives wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: No, then we have macy uh TikTok one point four
Speaker 3: million Instagram one hundred and eighty thousand. She, I guess,
Speaker 3: for lack of a better words, is kind of the
Speaker 3: voice of reason of this group.
Speaker 1: I guess she's the bridge.
Speaker 3: She's the bridge. Yeah, that's a better way to put it.
Speaker 3: She's the bridge. The storyline we never hear about from
Speaker 3: her on this season that I learned through TikTok, which
Speaker 3: I would have appreciated knowing while I was watching the show,
Speaker 3: was that her first baby daddy, the one that she
Speaker 3: got pregnant with when she was at BYU, and her
Speaker 3: like year of being you know, I forget the word,
Speaker 3: but like excommunicated from the church or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: He died, Yeah, texting her in a car accident. I
Speaker 3: can't believe there there's no mention of that on the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much more shit that we could
Speaker 3: have dug they could have dug into.
Speaker 1: I was honestly flattery acid if if that's the correct word.
Speaker 1: That it did not come up on the show because
Speaker 1: I didn't learn about until I saw a TikTok she made.
Speaker 1: Did you send me that TikTok? Somebody sent me away.
Speaker 3: We've been sending Emily and I have a full time
Speaker 3: job of sending each other tiktoks.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, here's the more, here's the more.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, but I forgot going back to Mikaela.
Speaker 3: Something else that's clearly not talked about throughout the season
Speaker 3: is that she, yes, she got pregnant at sixteen, but
Speaker 3: her husband he was at twenty two, I believe, So
Speaker 3: that is another situation they don't really delve into on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Then we've got Whitney.
Speaker 3: She has two million followers on TikTok. Instagram, she has
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy four thousand. I've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of I mean, she's considered the villain of the season.
Speaker 3: A lot of what she does is kind of absurd
Speaker 3: to me, and even watching her tiktoks, but a big
Speaker 3: portion of what I guess online is saying. But what
Speaker 3: we haven't heard is that her husband, yes, he had
Speaker 3: a porn addiction allegedly, but he dealt with all of
Speaker 3: these issues growing up, and a big part of her
Speaker 3: discussions have been about why she felt the need to
Speaker 3: stay with him to support him through his childhood abuse.
Speaker 3: So there's that. So We've got Whitney, then we have Jesse.
Speaker 3: She has on TikTok not that great compared to the others.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and sixty one thousand on TikTok Instagram, one
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety three thousand. She's been in the Tiktoks
Speaker 3: for a while, but I'm kind of wondering if they
Speaker 3: brought her in solely because they wanted her to do
Speaker 3: her extensions.
Speaker 1: They were like, eh, I mean, she doesn't have that
Speaker 1: big of a following, but she does do extensions, so God,
Speaker 1: she does do extensions.
Speaker 3: We know that she is divorced, she's married again. They're
Speaker 3: the probably the least Mormon of the group at this point,
Speaker 3: and there's allegations of why she got a divorce that
Speaker 3: does actually play it on the show.
Speaker 1: But that's all I really know about her. But then
Speaker 1: we get to me, to me, to me, who by
Speaker 1: the way, to me, I like, okay, let me just
Speaker 1: say this. I'm just gonna say this, and it might
Speaker 1: be an unpopular opinion. Taylor does not give me main
Speaker 1: character energy to me, does Taylor? I think we have
Speaker 1: to remember is pregnant. That is true. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give her a pass because she's pregnant and I and
Speaker 1: I'm sure she was dealing with that and she wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling great. But to me, de Me was main character energy,
Speaker 1: Like she was like like I felt like she was
Speaker 1: more of what everybody is always fighting for, Queen Bee
Speaker 1: of this group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she was so excited when they said
Speaker 3: that maybe she should take over the Queen Bee.
Speaker 2: I think Taylor's gonna.
Speaker 3: Come and I mean, I we'll get into that in
Speaker 3: a second, but hold on four hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 3: point six on TikTok Instagram's one hundred and seventy five thousand.
Speaker 3: Her backstory that we didn't get to hear about was
Speaker 3: the man that she is married to. Not only did
Speaker 3: that affair happen, her husband was married to Angie Harrington.
Speaker 3: So Angie Harrington is the girl who was a friend
Speaker 3: of on Salt Lake City who to me kind of
Speaker 3: looks like Sarah Paulson.
Speaker 1: That yeah, well one season, right, one season she was
Speaker 1: a one season friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a redhead. I think she came in
Speaker 3: as Heather Gay's friend and then they had a falling out.
Speaker 3: She had a new husband that was and like created
Speaker 3: fake instagrams and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But the other part.
Speaker 3: That I didn't know, who knows if this is really true,
Speaker 3: but I saw it on the on the talk on
Speaker 3: the TikTok was that she met her husband to me,
Speaker 3: met her husband when she was ten years old.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what does that mean? I mean, what they
Speaker 1: met at a birthday party or something. Probably they met
Speaker 1: at the church at a church party. But they could
Speaker 1: have met like innocently. It's not like he was trying
Speaker 1: to date her when she was ten.
Speaker 3: No, but still that is like bananas when you really
Speaker 3: think about it, like, oh, we met when I was
Speaker 3: ten and then.
Speaker 1: And he was forty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even when they showed their kids ages,
Speaker 3: you know. But they seem like a happy couple. They
Speaker 3: seem really into each other. But I mean, what she
Speaker 3: was ten and he was I think.
Speaker 1: Wait, is he the husband that they were speculating that
Speaker 1: he has a two pay because it's always in a
Speaker 1: different place.
Speaker 3: The husband Whitney's husband, Oh, Whitney's husband. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: he's considered like the hot husband.
Speaker 1: He is a hot husband. I think he used to
Speaker 1: be a quarterback or something, right the NFL. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: played in the NFL. Unclear unclear. No, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I love it. Then we have Jennifer Hole,
Speaker 3: who you know. I love that she's the only person
Speaker 3: that gets a last name with her age next to
Speaker 3: it every time they show it.
Speaker 1: Every time, it's like Jen Affleck and Jesse Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Malayla and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But then come to find out, not only do I
Speaker 3: despise Jen Affleck's husband, but Jen Affleck's husband who is
Speaker 3: the actual distant relative of Ben Affleck.
Speaker 2: They've never met Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they haven't. They're like second cousins twice removed,
Speaker 1: and they in Utah, and they're devout Mormons. I doubt
Speaker 1: that they're hanging out in the same circle. But then Jen.
Speaker 3: Also shared on her TikTok that she was named after
Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez's name, I guess is Jennifer Lynn,
Speaker 3: and so is this Jen. Her name is Jennifer Lynn.
Speaker 3: So she is proud to say on her TikTok that
Speaker 3: she is now the only Jennifer Lynn af f flack.
Speaker 3: Then we've got Layla. She's at one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Layela Laila, come on, get with the program. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: they even let you around.
Speaker 3: Layelah and then Instagram fifty four point five thousand. I
Speaker 3: know the least amount about her, mainly because.
Speaker 1: She didn't talk for the first seven episodes.
Speaker 2: Because we haven't really gotten much of her.
Speaker 3: But she is part of mom talk from the beginning,
Speaker 3: like she I see her pregnant, I see it. So
Speaker 3: she's she's been a part of this. But she's also
Speaker 3: the youngest. But they all seem to pretty much like her.
Speaker 3: But she's never had an orgasm. I mean, things have
Speaker 3: been things have been a little rough for Layla, but
Speaker 3: she's single now and ready to mingle. Yeah, do you
Speaker 3: want to do you want to break down the husbands
Speaker 3: before we get into this episode two, let's.
Speaker 1: Break down the husband's all right, Dakota is a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: not a husband of Ta. They have one child together,
Speaker 1: ever true, as we see her pregnant on this season.
Speaker 1: Dakota is a real estate agent and owns a tiling
Speaker 1: company called Basin Tiling.
Speaker 3: He also is allegedly a recovered addict, which I think
Speaker 3: they said from ventanal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what it was. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: he has such a problem with her drinking. I guess
Speaker 1: was that the rationale.
Speaker 3: I have to also say sometimes his eyes concerned me.
Speaker 1: I'm not like.
Speaker 3: Saying you mean like they were a little little It's
Speaker 3: this is a very toxic relationship. Very I am not
Speaker 3: a doctor, but this relationship does not seem great. He
Speaker 3: really wants to marry her. She does not want to.
Speaker 3: At least she has learned a lot. Here's the thing
Speaker 3: gotta say it. If I was going to pick a
Speaker 3: friend from I mean, looking at her past, I never
Speaker 3: would have thought Taylor would want to be one of
Speaker 3: the people that had been like, that's the girl I
Speaker 3: want to be friends with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of one of my favorites. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you mean, out of the cast, if you had to
Speaker 1: hang out with one of them, you would pick Taylor.
Speaker 1: I think Taylor and Demi. I would hang out with
Speaker 1: Whitney because she's diabolical. Oh, like, I find her mind intriguing.
Speaker 1: She's diabolical.
Speaker 2: Well, now can you get into Connor please and explain.
Speaker 1: Yep. Connor is the husband to Whitney. Whitney and Connor
Speaker 1: share two children together, Sedona and Liam, and she is
Speaker 1: expecting her third child, Connor, works for Meta, which owns
Speaker 1: and operates Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, et cetera, which is right there.
Speaker 1: They were actually building the building when I left Utah.
Speaker 3: So he looks different in every episode. Just it's like
Speaker 3: so like I feel like when they first walked into
Speaker 3: the house, when they move back from why didn't he
Speaker 3: have bleach blonde hair and it was long or something?
Speaker 3: And then the next scene it wasn't long, and then
Speaker 3: the next scene it wasn't blonde, And then and then
Speaker 3: the next scene he didn't have a mustache, and then
Speaker 3: the next one he did.
Speaker 1: Like he's in the witness protection program.
Speaker 2: Like he is ever changing.
Speaker 3: And listen, I know this is a touchy subject, especially
Speaker 3: because you know your best friend gets a lot of
Speaker 3: heat for this.
Speaker 2: But Whitney's outfit choices a lot.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about Gina?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, okay, I I have Gina has way better style.
Speaker 1: This Whitney has no style. She just finds saying that
Speaker 1: Gina has no style. I'm just saying, finds a frock.
Speaker 4: A peasant frock, and puts it on and like and
Speaker 4: super glues lace onto it or something.
Speaker 3: He's giving like amish, Like once she said she wanted
Speaker 3: to move it to the farm. Later episodes, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, okay. But their other backstory is that
Speaker 3: he was on tender.
Speaker 2: That's why they moved to Hawaii.
Speaker 3: Apparently when things get rough with he makes these dramatic changes.
Speaker 1: But then apparently she came back.
Speaker 3: But she throughout this season, you see she thinks that
Speaker 3: mom Talk will not actually be able to succeed without her.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about the show. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the TikTok. But one thing Emily and I are both
Speaker 3: very proud of.
Speaker 1: Is what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both turned down that dil do. We did
Speaker 3: post and Whitney did not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I just there there is just no
Speaker 1: amount of money that I would do that. Shane even
Speaker 1: asked me because he was watching that scene. He came
Speaker 1: into the bedroom when I was watching it, and he goes,
Speaker 1: is there any amount of money that you would do
Speaker 1: that for? And I was like it would have to
Speaker 1: be millions, Like there's this, I there's this. I can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: But also I want to check now that I've seen
Speaker 3: all of their following numbers, like when they say twenty
Speaker 3: thousand I'm wondering if they mean for multi old post
Speaker 3: or like that's a one post TikTok that much more profitable,
Speaker 3: profitable than Instagram.
Speaker 1: I don't know because I don't have a TikTok. And
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, should I should I get my friends
Speaker 1: together and make an old mom talk.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get a Graham talk going?
Speaker 1: Should I get like a golden golden talk started?
Speaker 3: My gosh, Then we've got Zach Affleck. He's the husband
Speaker 3: of jen They have two children, a daughter Nora a
Speaker 3: son Lucas. In July, Jennifer announced on Instagram that Zach
Speaker 3: was accepted into medical school. She is the breadwinner and
Speaker 3: she is going to be paying for his med school
Speaker 3: because he has gambled away the money allegedly that his
Speaker 3: parents gave him for med school when his parents were
Speaker 3: already doctors. Please, for the love of God, do not
Speaker 3: let me go to this man as my physician.
Speaker 1: And ten years from now when he has his license.
Speaker 1: Next husband is Brett. He's a second husband to Demi.
Speaker 1: He is forty six, she is twenty nine. They each
Speaker 1: have children from previous relationships. Brett is currently a managing
Speaker 1: partner at Armstrong consulting group. He was previously a quarterback
Speaker 1: for the Oakland Raiders from three to five. I wonder
Speaker 1: if that.
Speaker 3: Means he was actually at the playing quarterback or he
Speaker 3: was like the second string quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, not that it really matters, but it does,
Speaker 1: I mean it does. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then we've got Jordan, who is married to Jesse. Second
Speaker 3: husband to Jesse. They share a blended family of three kids.
Speaker 3: Jordan is a solar manager at Rise Energy.
Speaker 1: That's I mean. I don't have a ton to say
Speaker 1: about them, which is not great. Now. Not a lot
Speaker 1: to say about Jacob either. I think I only saw
Speaker 1: him pop up briefly. He's a second husband to Macy Neelye. Mason.
Speaker 1: Met Jacob while she was raising her son Hudson as
Speaker 1: a single parent following the death of his father Eric.
Speaker 1: They were married in twenty eighteen and share a daughter, Harlowe.
Speaker 1: Jacob is a sales and finance consultant at AO two
Speaker 1: Management in Utah.
Speaker 3: And then we've got Jace, who's the husband to Mikayla Matthews.
Speaker 3: Michala met Jace when she was sixteen. They have three
Speaker 3: children together, Beckham, Haven and Tommy. Jace was employed as
Speaker 3: a project manager at Waffle, Loove and Jah. However, michaela
Speaker 3: revealed that he was fired due to this show's release.
Speaker 3: I love that he's fired because of the show, but
Speaker 3: not because he was twenty one when he got his
Speaker 3: sixteen year old girlfriend pregnant.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine, that's fine, that's acceptable.
Speaker 3: Then Laylah Taylor, twenty three divorce shares two sons of
Speaker 3: their ex husband. Taylor told Today that she and her
Speaker 3: ex husband agreed that their sons would not appre appear
Speaker 3: on screen in season one of the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, can I say, can you imagine being twenty three
Speaker 1: divorced and with two kids? What were you doing at
Speaker 1: twenty three? I mean I was like just out of college,
Speaker 1: still dumb, and.
Speaker 3: I mean I think I was potentially at twenty four
Speaker 3: getting my first divorce but no kids.
Speaker 1: Like, can you imagine? Can you imagine to have been
Speaker 1: getting divorced at that age and have two children? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because also in my first divorce, we had nothing Like
Speaker 3: I had my neighbor do the divorce for me because
Speaker 3: she like went to like one year of law school
Speaker 3: and she was able to figure it out.
Speaker 1: My first divorce I did myself because we had no
Speaker 1: kids and no ascess. It was so easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think the only thing that we had
Speaker 3: to separate was like some of our wedding gifts because
Speaker 3: we made it over a year of being married. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so then you don't have to return them. But there
Speaker 3: was like our china.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think it gets it.
Speaker 2: I was like, you can have the mugs, I'll take
Speaker 2: the plates.
Speaker 1: Like, but that's why Shane and I don't get divorced now,
Speaker 1: because it's just way too complicated. It's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It would be a lot, so we're just like that's
Speaker 1: just too much.
Speaker 3: Well, now we're on to episode two. It's eleven months
Speaker 3: after Taylor's arrest. Taylor calls it the worst night of
Speaker 3: her life. She was charged with aggravated assault and given
Speaker 3: three years of probation, plus she is pregnant again after
Speaker 3: being arrested. She and Dakota never actually broke up. They
Speaker 3: both wanted this baby, even though she acknowledges it's not
Speaker 3: the smartest decision.
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I have a question about LDS. Are you allowed to
Speaker 2: be on birth control?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You are? I think you're wrong. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, can you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I think it's isn't it. Yeah, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can be on Shane.
Speaker 3: I really don't think you can be on birth. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna text him, text him and get back to me
Speaker 3: on that. But like Taylor, clearly we're watching because of
Speaker 3: you and you're not so smart decisions. But like, keep
Speaker 3: on keeping on because it's we're enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Google says, Okay.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question. Don't you find
Speaker 1: it irresponsible that she got pregnant once, had a miscarriage,
Speaker 1: but then got pregnant again even though she knows the
Speaker 1: relationship isn't great, she doesn't want to marry him, and
Speaker 1: she knows it's not a smart decision.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what we're seeing here is clearly and
Speaker 3: you know now I've gone back years and watched all
Speaker 3: of her tiktoks with Tate, her first husband, and after
Speaker 3: watching her relationship with her mother, I think she like
Speaker 3: wants love, but there's so much guilt and anxiety and
Speaker 3: all of these things surrounding the things that she's done
Speaker 3: and how she feels about herself that in the moments
Speaker 3: and oftentimes when you're in a very toxic relationship, the
Speaker 3: good is so good, you think, oh, this is going
Speaker 3: to be great, right, and then the bad is so bad.
Speaker 3: It's like, there's no way you can imagine going another day.
Speaker 1: That you're saying she got pregnant during one of those
Speaker 1: good is good Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the highs. Then Macey, Michaela, and Whitney
Speaker 3: are together at a coffee slash tea shop. Whitney was
Speaker 3: shocked to hear about Taylor's pregnancy, and Macy says Taylor
Speaker 3: thinks with her vagina. They were all invited to Taylor's
Speaker 3: baby shower, but Whitney wants to get back to what
Speaker 3: mom talk was like before the scandal and arrests happened. Apparently,
Speaker 3: brand deals have gone down since Taylor's arrest, and Macy
Speaker 3: suggests that someone has to step up to keep the
Speaker 3: group going.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question when she talks about brand deals,
Speaker 1: does that mean brand deals individually or do you think
Speaker 1: they get group brand deals because they make so much
Speaker 1: content together. Do they ever do brand deals as a group?
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they must.
Speaker 3: I mean at least those jumps, those sweatsuits that they
Speaker 3: all wear, because they have them in like every color
Speaker 3: with their names on them. Yeah, while they're doing these dances.
Speaker 3: It also like, as he launched these videos, I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine if I was on mom Talk because I'd
Speaker 3: be one of the bad dancer ones.
Speaker 1: It would be in the back.
Speaker 3: I would be like the Macy that's like in charge
Speaker 3: of like just doing the heart like while the other
Speaker 3: ones can like do all the moves and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, but like some of them are quite good
Speaker 3: at it. But Whitney's saying she wants it to be
Speaker 3: back to the original mom Talk. I'm like, what was
Speaker 3: the original mom Talk like before the scandal?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do they just they just made content together, right,
Speaker 1: like fun?
Speaker 3: It's supposedly women empowerment, but like at this point, we're
Speaker 3: not seeing many women empowered other than empowered to pay
Speaker 3: for their husbands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if that's true though. When
Speaker 1: they say they're all the they all raise their hands
Speaker 1: when they said who's the breadwinner? So you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that Brett, the guy that's like a consultant or whatever,
Speaker 1: Like she's making more money than he does.
Speaker 3: Probably, and I mean Brett's forty six, right, So that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You've had a long time to get your act together.
Speaker 5: But also, like Whitney, if this group didn't exist and
Speaker 5: you want to get it back, then that would mean
Speaker 5: no television show for you to bug us on, and
Speaker 5: I would be so sad without that.
Speaker 3: Then we see Taylor with her mom, Leanne. They're going
Speaker 3: shopping for baby necessities. Leanne has a hard time talking
Speaker 3: to her daughter about her probation, saying Taylor's aged her
Speaker 3: ten years. Did Coda's bring up the idea of marriage frequently?
Speaker 3: Taylor's not sure if she's ready for it. She doesn't
Speaker 3: want to get hurt again, and in her confessional she
Speaker 3: breaks down, saying she doesn't feel like she deserves the
Speaker 3: happy ending that Dakota is trying to give her. I'm
Speaker 3: sorry to tell you this, Taylor. He's not going to
Speaker 3: give you a happy ending.
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't have it, and I'm toxic tailor.
Speaker 3: But also I feel like Taylor's saying, Mom, don't buy
Speaker 3: me anything, because most likely I'm going to get it
Speaker 3: all for free to promote on the tiktoks. So we
Speaker 3: don't need to be buying this. We're going to promote
Speaker 3: it on the top. So we'll talk. Let's not spend
Speaker 3: the forty four dollars on the baby trash can.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you my toxic trait is when I
Speaker 1: watch this show, I think I'm the same age as
Speaker 1: these women, and then I realize that I'm probably older
Speaker 1: than Leanne.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're older than Leanne.
Speaker 4: Don't you watch it if you think like I feel
Speaker 4: like I could just fit right into this group.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, no, I am older than Leanne.
Speaker 3: Well, I did send you a text message, and I
Speaker 3: just prefaced it just so you guys know. I'm really
Speaker 3: pissed to you, Emily, And she's like why, And I said,
Speaker 3: because you have the opportunity by being married to Shane
Speaker 3: who is LDS, to be on this show. And Emily
Speaker 3: is like, you know what, You're right, like I do,
Speaker 3: and I feel like I dropped this opportunity.
Speaker 2: Neither of us pointing out that nobody forty eight.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that part that I'm old enough to
Speaker 4: be everyone's mother.
Speaker 3: In the In this community, you'd be on your sixteenth
Speaker 3: marriage forty four kid exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, Wait, Shane texted me about birth control. Do you
Speaker 1: want to hear it? Yeah? Oh? Also, I have zero
Speaker 1: TikTok followers. Okay, I asked him, can you be on
Speaker 1: birth control if you're LDS? Shane said yes, that's a
Speaker 1: private matter for married couples to decide themselves. The only
Speaker 1: guidelines I've ever read on the church counseling about family
Speaker 1: and having children is couples should have as many children
Speaker 1: as they can provide for financially, emotionally, and spiritually, but
Speaker 1: that it is a decision for the couples to make
Speaker 1: themselves and not others.
Speaker 3: So I have a question for you, just why we're
Speaker 3: in the talk of LDS. How does the church feel
Speaker 3: about the fact that you are not LDS.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I never asked him. Should I write
Speaker 1: a letter?
Speaker 3: Or is there ever a moment that Shane in your
Speaker 3: marriage was like, come give this a try.
Speaker 1: No, I will tell you. I'll give you a little background.
Speaker 1: Before Shane and I got married, there were two deal breakers.
Speaker 1: The one the first one was I'll marry you, but
Speaker 1: do you expect me to convert to LDS? And he
Speaker 1: said no. And the other one was do you want
Speaker 1: to have more kids? Because I had no kid, I
Speaker 1: had no children, And he said, yes, I want more kids.
Speaker 1: So those were my two deal breakers. I've never been
Speaker 1: pressured by Shane to convert. I go to church with
Speaker 1: him occasionally sometimes I go a lot of times I don't.
Speaker 1: But as far as the church, I do know when
Speaker 1: we lived in Utah, the missionaries would always visit my
Speaker 1: house because I was like the only non LDS person
Speaker 1: probably in like one hundred mile radius, so they were
Speaker 1: always at my house.
Speaker 3: But do you think there's less pressure because Shane's parents.
Speaker 2: Are not LDS.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of what we're seeing as
Speaker 3: these parties progress is that like these parents are putting
Speaker 3: these pressure on these oh yeahs women like and because
Speaker 3: he did that on his own.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a different there is. I would say,
Speaker 1: like when people say to me like, oh, your a
Speaker 1: husband's in a cult or something like that, I'm like you,
Speaker 1: my life is so normal. There is nothing weird about
Speaker 1: anything in our life. And you're right, his parents aren't LDS.
Speaker 1: His mom, if she was religious, would be Muslim. She
Speaker 1: would be Muslim if she practiced a religion. And you know,
Speaker 1: his dad is more of just like he's like very Buddhists,
Speaker 1: you know, he's very zen. So I do think that
Speaker 1: the LDS factor within our relationship is very small it's
Speaker 1: basically just Shane and the kids go every once in
Speaker 1: a while, and I go occasionally, so it's not a
Speaker 1: huge part of our lives.
Speaker 3: Right The mom Taught girls minus Taylor are filming content
Speaker 3: at Macy's house. In this content video, they all pretend
Speaker 3: to pray, Please Lord, make me the biggest star the
Speaker 3: world has ever known. Jen Is remind the girls that
Speaker 3: they need to make videos so they can pay the bills.
Speaker 3: Then they all talk about the weirdest brand deals. You know,
Speaker 3: it's twenty thousand to promote sex toys, but the Mormon
Speaker 3: religion is very conservative, so it's a risk. And then
Speaker 3: Layla and Demi are all for it. Macy doesn't think
Speaker 3: they're paying her enough. Meanwhile, Jin says she would never
Speaker 3: promote a sex brand. Jen, You'd never be allowed. Let's
Speaker 3: be clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't even step foot within, you know, anywhere
Speaker 1: that has anything to do. Sorry, this is what happens
Speaker 1: when I watch all eight episodes.
Speaker 3: Well then, but by the way, speaking of Jin, can
Speaker 3: you please fix that hair in the back of your
Speaker 3: head right now that's sticking out?
Speaker 2: Because did you notice?
Speaker 3: Sorry? Jin, I was very confused because everybody is very
Speaker 3: well quaffed this entire season, and unless Jin is doing
Speaker 3: a TikTok video, we've got extension showing we've got we
Speaker 3: barely got our hair washed. I'm like, she looks like
Speaker 3: me on the freaking pod. I'm like, what is happening.
Speaker 1: That's because she has to serve her husband at all times.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have time, zero hair, just him sandwiches, and
Speaker 1: I mean she's she's.
Speaker 3: Just paying bills, taking care of the kids and Zach,
Speaker 3: and she doesn't have time for a shower. But you
Speaker 3: notice that every time they're filming, and there are people,
Speaker 3: there are housewives that do this too, when like I'd
Speaker 3: be on Beverly Hills and I would come and I'd
Speaker 3: be looking a mess. That are always like constantly like
Speaker 3: touching your hair, like fixing your or being like that.
Speaker 3: Like she is the least of like the conscious of
Speaker 3: exactly what her appearance is, I think, which is refreshing,
Speaker 3: which is actually being a mom, which is who we
Speaker 3: all are. But I love that they're all noticing it
Speaker 3: the entire time. But I am calling bullshit on twenty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars post on Insta when you have two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy four thousand followers.
Speaker 1: Did you look at her Instagram and see did she
Speaker 1: posts anything about sex toy? She she did. It's there,
Speaker 1: it's there. So is.
Speaker 3: One of her premiere dresses, the red with the cutouts
Speaker 3: and the and on the swing with the h.
Speaker 1: It was a lot. That was a lot.
Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite outfits of the season.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even during it. Then Demi reminds the
Speaker 3: girls that because there's such a lack of knowledge around sex,
Speaker 3: a lot of women don't even have an orgasm. Laila
Speaker 3: raises her hand immediately, saying she never has. She got
Speaker 3: married at nineteen and was married for three years, so
Speaker 3: she hasn't had time to discover herself. Laylah went to
Speaker 3: high school that was heavily populated with Mormons, and she
Speaker 3: was baptized at sixteen years old. And then everyone jokes
Speaker 3: that Jen is a porn star for her husband. Macy
Speaker 3: reminds her they've all seen the nudes.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Jen Jen Affleck. Yes, well maybe that's why
Speaker 1: her hair is always a mess. Yeah, she's got I mean,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have time. She's got to make him chicken
Speaker 1: pie and sex with him.
Speaker 2: Come and sending videos of herself.
Speaker 1: Wait was the photo that she showed everybody and they
Speaker 1: said that was like a frontal? Was that like a
Speaker 1: vagina shot?
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it must be naked photos. Then Demi was
Speaker 3: inspired by Jen's nudes, so she decided to take nudes
Speaker 3: for her husband as well. Then she proceeds to show
Speaker 3: them to the entire crew.
Speaker 1: Oh it was to me that had the photos that
Speaker 1: they brought out and showed.
Speaker 3: But also Demi's nude, this entire not nude, but she
Speaker 3: has just her bra and ninety percent of like the episodes.
Speaker 3: I know, I know she's like, oh, you guys are early,
Speaker 3: but also I'm like, if you're going to show your
Speaker 3: bra off, it shouldn't be a nude one all the time.
Speaker 1: Like at least like getting stacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like get some sexy bras, like those are my bras?
Speaker 3: Like my when you're not going to see what I
Speaker 3: have on underneath bras? Those aren't my pull my shirt
Speaker 3: down every time to get miked bras. Then Taylor's parents,
Speaker 3: Leanne and Jeremy are visiting our house and Taylor breaks
Speaker 3: the news that.
Speaker 1: Dakota is moving in.
Speaker 3: Uh and the church teaches that you should not live
Speaker 3: with a partner outside of marriage, so her parents are
Speaker 3: not supportive of this decision, the parents being more upset
Speaker 3: about this man moving in than being pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, they're like, it's fine if you want
Speaker 1: to have children together, but you can't live together.
Speaker 2: But do you think it's because they don't want one?
Speaker 3: They already know that they've been arrested, that she's been
Speaker 3: arrested two. They know that most likely she's going to
Speaker 3: be paying for their life.
Speaker 1: I mean, I we never.
Speaker 3: Heard what Dakota does for a living until we got
Speaker 3: on the pod today. But I am confused, Like, okay, baby, fine,
Speaker 3: moving in? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's not living together before marriage.
Speaker 1: Did you live with Shane before marriage? No, because we
Speaker 1: got married like immediately. We just went to the courthouse
Speaker 1: and got married and then had a big wedding later.
Speaker 3: Okay, I did live with Edwin before getting married, and
Speaker 3: I do actually recommend living with your person before getting
Speaker 3: married if you can.
Speaker 1: I mean I think we did, like briefly. It was
Speaker 1: very brief because we got married really quickly. But we
Speaker 1: just got married really quickly for tax purposes. He's not sure.
Speaker 1: He's like, if I could file married and joint. It
Speaker 1: would really save on taxes, so let's.
Speaker 3: Figure this shit out. Then Dakota shows up while Leanne
Speaker 3: and Jeremy are there. He starts bringing in his boxes,
Speaker 3: and of course the parents don't offer to help, but
Speaker 3: they let their pregnant daughter carry them in. Dakota's boxes
Speaker 3: are labeled things like Dakota's cool shit and here I come.
Speaker 3: Jeremy definitely doesn't take it easy on him. He calls
Speaker 3: out Dakota for knocking up his daughter and moving in before.
Speaker 1: Mary's he's a stepdad though, right, that's not her real dad,
Speaker 1: that's her stepdad. I don't know if Leanne is still
Speaker 1: married from the get No, I think that's the stepdad.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, then Taylor and Dakota say that their values
Speaker 3: and plans really align with one another, and I'm very
Speaker 3: confused by this.
Speaker 1: Was it values that threw you off? Yeah?
Speaker 3: The values and then for example they both want to
Speaker 3: marry someone LDS so they could go to church and
Speaker 3: raise their family with those values. But to me, Dakota
Speaker 3: moving in with one simple box is full of red flags.
Speaker 3: Like it just makes me love this show. But like
Speaker 3: he didn't even need he didn't even need a moving.
Speaker 3: Vanni just had like his four boxes that he probably
Speaker 3: brought from Jenna's house or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I just need to get buy a
Speaker 1: box of shit, of cool shit from your house and
Speaker 1: move it over to Taylor's, which is.
Speaker 2: Like his fortnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his rooms cube.
Speaker 2: A couple fenties. Yeah, include going, he's.
Speaker 4: Got a hoodie, a pair of pants, a room excube,
Speaker 4: and his PlayStations.
Speaker 3: Then Macey and Taylor are shopping for Taylor's upcoming baby shower.
Speaker 3: Taylor admits she's afraid to see all the girls again.
Speaker 3: Macy gives her some reassurance, saying she wanted to reach
Speaker 3: out to Taylor more than ever after the rest and
Speaker 3: Macy's concerned that Dakota never takes accountability for his actions.
Speaker 3: She witnessed Dakota called Taylor and effing slut. When her
Speaker 3: ex husband showed up to an event where the girls
Speaker 3: were at two weeks before Taylor got pregnant. She called Macy,
Speaker 3: telling her she wanted out of the relationship.
Speaker 1: Pretty much.
Speaker 3: Macy just flat out tells Taylor that she does not
Speaker 3: like Dakota.
Speaker 1: You know what, neither do I.
Speaker 3: And then, although a Taylor appreciates Macy's blutoness.
Speaker 1: It's hard for her to hear and accept this.
Speaker 3: Then Whitney at her mom's house with her younger sister Lexi.
Speaker 3: They get into the vibrater conversation and then they get
Speaker 3: into the sex talk where the mom kind of like
Speaker 3: where she shares her first sexual experience as a horror movie.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, it's because your husband doesn't want
Speaker 3: to be having sex.
Speaker 1: Exactly as to be the bearer of bad news. He
Speaker 1: has a Jason mask on.
Speaker 2: But they didn't have sex, said in high school. But
Speaker 2: you know what, neither.
Speaker 3: Did I no sex I did, I mean not that
Speaker 3: I can remember.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we did, it was like a one
Speaker 1: off class.
Speaker 3: But like I still knew that there was like supposed
Speaker 3: to be pleasure at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when we lived in Utah, Shane's daughters
Speaker 1: had there was an opportunity for sex ad at their school,
Speaker 1: so I know they have it in the public schools
Speaker 1: in Utah.
Speaker 3: But you know, her mom says she feels guilty that
Speaker 3: she didn't have those conversations. I don't know if she's guilty,
Speaker 3: but she said, I wish I would have had more
Speaker 3: of a conversation with you, And then it made me wonder, like, Whitney,
Speaker 3: has your mom had an orgasm? She should ask maybe
Speaker 3: if she used one of the vibrators from the gram.
Speaker 1: Yes, she should give her mom a vibrator for Christmas.
Speaker 3: But I also don't need to see Whitney's mom making
Speaker 3: dry biscuits while Whitney's talking about promoting dil dos.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need to see all the baking during No, No, No,
Speaker 3: did you?
Speaker 1: I didn't even really notice that she was baking. I mean.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if it's baking or making. I've
Speaker 3: never made a biscuit.
Speaker 1: I've never well, I did because it's on the episode
Speaker 1: of Orange John either I saw there's some biscuit making.
Speaker 3: Then we see Taylor and Dakota on a date. He
Speaker 3: asked if Macey was talking shit when she saw her,
Speaker 3: and she was, like she always does. He's convinced she
Speaker 3: doesn't like him and it's just being petty about it.
Speaker 3: Taylor defends Macy, saying she's the only one she's really
Speaker 3: confided in. At this point, I'm still stuck whatever this
Speaker 3: Macy situation is. Macy, I think is just trying to
Speaker 3: be a good friend to Taylor. Then Whitney and Layla.
Speaker 1: Are in the salt cave. I've never heard of a
Speaker 1: salt cave that was new to me.
Speaker 3: Well with two children too, Yeah, I like how they
Speaker 3: kept running around and like touching the alarms and stuff,
Speaker 3: and Whitney was unaware. Whitney doesn't want to promote the
Speaker 3: fake friendships are portraying online. But I'm like you already
Speaker 3: that's actually what Mom Talk was, So.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you want to and you want it to
Speaker 1: be back to its original version, and you want to
Speaker 1: be the queen Bee of it. So what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And then Layla's confessional, she says this is typical Whitney.
Speaker 3: She'll avoid someone she has tension with rather than talk
Speaker 3: to them and solve it.
Speaker 1: Whitney.
Speaker 3: Layla thinks it's important that everyone in Mom Talks stays
Speaker 3: strong and united. But I do want to point out
Speaker 3: that a lot of the tiktoks they show us in
Speaker 3: between scenes have Macy in the middle. Yeah, Macy is
Speaker 3: in the middle a lot. Yeah, Macy's in the middle.
Speaker 3: Then it's the day of the Taylor's baby shower. All
Speaker 3: the girls from Mom Talk besides Whitney show up. They
Speaker 3: seem really supportive of Taylor and would like to join
Speaker 3: them and mom talk again. Macy's not a fan of Dakota.
Speaker 3: We know Whitney didn't give Taylor a heads up that
Speaker 3: she wasn't coming to the shower, and obviously Taylor noticed
Speaker 3: she wasn't there.
Speaker 1: You know who else noticed? Leanne just the best I know.
Speaker 2: Wait, don't have my mom call you and you piss
Speaker 2: me off about something.
Speaker 1: I can't wait either. That will be fun, Hi, Emily,
Speaker 1: it's please have your dad call.
Speaker 3: But then Whitney tells her it's a conversation she needs
Speaker 3: to have with Taylor, not her, which we doubt ever
Speaker 3: really happened. Right, but Taylor's mom immediately calling Whitney tells
Speaker 3: me everything I need to know about why Taylor is
Speaker 3: the way she is and why we see the things
Speaker 3: that we say.
Speaker 1: Leanne know. Leanne needs to do something about those hair extensions, Leanne,
Speaker 1: They're they're they're giving like Alexis Bellino. Extensions is what
Speaker 1: it's doing. It's like me, your hair, your real hair
Speaker 1: isn't that long, but then you get twenty four inch
Speaker 1: like extensions.
Speaker 3: Leanne is as bummed as us that she's not a
Speaker 3: part of mom Talk.
Speaker 1: She's trying, she's given her best.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, well we loved it. It was a
Speaker 3: little piece of heaven. Thank you so much mom Talk
Speaker 3: for all of this enjoyment. Keep tuning in to Popping
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Speaker 3: hot takes on all of these episodes and please watch.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys for listening.