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Speaker 1: Hey. You know, if you follow me on social media,

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Speaker 1: about to get a couple of tiny little sheet I

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Speaker 1: got this place in the eighties, and you know, a

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Speaker 1: I for some reason, developed this love of horses, and

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Speaker 1: that was really what brought me to buy this piece

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Speaker 1: of property back in nineteen eighty three. But I find

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Speaker 1: that when I start caring for another creature, it really

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Speaker 1: helps me to kind of recenter my days. And I

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Speaker 1: think that spending time, certainly in lockdown, around living, breathing

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Speaker 1: animals and connecting with them was incredibly helpful. And to

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Speaker 1: this day, my wife and I will just say, oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: you know, we haven't been down to hang out with

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Speaker 1: and just I don't know, do little it up and

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Speaker 1: a very very therapeutic moment. The Fabulous Amanda sayfer It

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Speaker 1: is our guest today on the podcast, and she also

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Speaker 1: lives on a farm. And I really love this person

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Speaker 1: and I love that she is so compassionate for all creatures.

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Speaker 1: Apparently not male ducks, however, But a little bit more

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Speaker 1: on that later. So if you love animals, lean in

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Speaker 1: and listen up. I'm glad you're here, Amanda. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being here. It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 1: As I've told you multiple times, I admire are you

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Speaker 1: so much for your chameleon like work. A lot of

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Speaker 1: greatest performers. But you are someone who really, really truly

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Speaker 1: does disappear into all sorts of different kinds of parts,

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Speaker 1: as well as all sorts of different kinds of genres

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Speaker 1: of movie. I mean, you really, your your career has

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Speaker 1: you start out, you're really young, right, and you start

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Speaker 1: to do this thing where you're gonna, you know, become

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Speaker 1: somebody else, was it in your mind to try to

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Speaker 2: No, it was here. Listen, here's the thing you said.

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Speaker 2: Amazing things. I really appreciate all everything that your perspective

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Speaker 2: on my acting is really meaningful because you have continued

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Speaker 2: to bring any kind of refreshing angle or take to

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Speaker 2: It's never boring, You're never one saying it's that kind

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Speaker 2: of career that like most people want. You're able to

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Speaker 2: and I try to do. And I think the answer

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Speaker 2: that creates trust, maybe not with everybody, but with enough

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a little harder for women, it seems,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think everything is harder for in

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Speaker 1: and that is that people really would rather have you

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Speaker 1: But they weren't sequels. They were just in that same

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Speaker 1: But you do so many other things besides uh, this

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Speaker 2: Well, when the pandemic hit, we were all kind of

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Speaker 2: my creative brain was still churning out, like fiber art

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Speaker 2: Anything you can make with yarn really, yeah, yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I think with starting a business, I was so I mean,

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Speaker 1: Were out there looking for investors, looking for seed money

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Speaker 2: But it is like I did, I started a business.

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Speaker 1: And this is make it cute, Make it cute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, tell us about the product though, because I

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Speaker 1: And their playhouses, right, and their playhouse.

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Speaker 2: And they all have different experiences like what Maureen was

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Speaker 2: we have similar tastes and we just were like we

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Speaker 1: Apparently, yes it is.

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Speaker 1: Well that's so exciting. Now I want to just talk

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Speaker 1: You didn't grow up on a farm in Alaison. So

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Speaker 1: what do you think it came out of?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I truly don't know.

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Speaker 1: You're in a barn, right, animals. Yeah, the barn.

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Speaker 2: This is the like really this was an old stable

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Speaker 2: obviously we made into these two rooms are guests room.

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Speaker 2: This is like the middle barn, the barn barn that's

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Speaker 2: actually over there. You can kind of see it right

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Speaker 2: over right over there. That's like the barn, and that's

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Speaker 2: you know, where where all the good stuff happens, where

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Speaker 2: all the sick animals come in when they need help.

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Speaker 1: So you take animals in. I didn't. I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 2: You take for instance, we're getting two new horses, and

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Speaker 2: the fencing guys are here right now to fix the

449
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Speaker 2: third paddock, and we only have three, and we'll only

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Speaker 2: ever have three and we always will always you know,

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Speaker 2: be a capacity. But everybody in the town kind of

452
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Speaker 2: knows what our deal is. We'll take it animals who

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Speaker 2: are very old and they all pretty much pass away

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Speaker 2: here m so it's a sanctuary essentially, okay, and we

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Speaker 2: get retire So this retire he's coming. He's thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: He's coming on this week this weekend, once the fencing's done,

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Speaker 2: and he's coming with a friend.

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Speaker 1: Of horse, a horse. Sorry, yeah, okay, because you have

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Speaker 1: you have some other stuff too, you have got goats.

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Speaker 2: We mainly it's like we can have as many many

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Speaker 2: horses as anyone can have because we have room. We

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Speaker 2: have a retiree, a trail horse who's who's thirty and

463
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Speaker 2: he's he was going to go off to auctions, so

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Speaker 2: we were just like I'm here and then his friend.

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Speaker 2: But his friend is not retired. He's ten years old

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Speaker 2: and he's in great health. Oh good, So that's not

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Speaker 2: that's not normal. We don't normally take in people who

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Speaker 2: are in great health.

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Speaker 1: Do you get up on him ever? I mean, they

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Speaker 1: sound like they're not they're they're they're not sound.

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Speaker 2: But but no, this guy is going to be the

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Speaker 2: first sound. Oh it's thirty year olds of the thirty

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Speaker 2: year old the ten year old. I wouldn't read on

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Speaker 2: because I'm not experienced enough. But she can be broken,

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Speaker 2: and he will be one day, hopefully. But the thirty

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Speaker 2: year old is the one that I'm gonna put my

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Speaker 2: kids on.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, that's awesome. That's very exciting. And you have

479
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Speaker 1: and you have goats and your beloved dog.

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Speaker 2: I love a dog. And ducks. We've just taken in

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Speaker 2: two more ducks. Ducks are real pain. I don't recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Do anybody do you have ducks?

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Speaker 1: No chickens, but no ducks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, ducks.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do it. It's hard, it's there.

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Speaker 2: They're very very vicious to each other.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, I didn't know that about ducks. Well, I

489
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Speaker 1: think that's a good segue. Is Julie available to hop

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Speaker 1: on with us?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Why Julie? You guys know each other?

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Speaker 4: Yes we do.

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Speaker 1: There's Julie Castle from Best Friends Animal Society. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining Amanda and me.

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Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here, big big fans of

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Speaker 3: both of your work.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you too. You know I was I was reading

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Speaker 1: up about you and have just what I find to

500
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Speaker 1: be pretty fascinating journey into what it is that you do.

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Speaker 1: So maybe just explain that it's almost like you got

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Speaker 1: You're on your way to law school and got a

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Speaker 1: flat tire or something and ended up going into animal rescue.

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Speaker 2: But UH, talk to me about how it happens, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a measure of really, I don't want

506
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Speaker 3: to sound too wu, but it's a measure of really

507
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Speaker 3: being up into the universe, you know. And I was

508
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: I just graduated from college, and my friends and I

509
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: knew it was our last hurrah before graduate school.

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Speaker 4: So we decided to take a trip to Mexico.

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Speaker 3: And at the time, I drove this really old nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy nine Dodge Colt and it had a different color panel.

513
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Speaker 3: Every panel was a different color because I'd been in

514
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Speaker 3: so many accidents. And we stay down there until we

515
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Speaker 3: ran out of money, and we realized that we had

516
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: just enough for a candy bar each and gas to

517
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Speaker 3: drive eighteen hundred miles back home, and we decided to

518
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Speaker 3: drive straight through. And my friend who was with us,

519
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Speaker 3: she was a huge animal fan, and she'd been donating

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Speaker 3: to this small sanctuary in southern Utah. She begged us

521
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Speaker 3: to stay, to stop at this sanctuary. None of us

522
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Speaker 3: wanted to. We hadn't showered, we retired. We were fighting.

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Speaker 3: Finally we agreed to stop, just to kind of shut

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Speaker 3: her up, and we pulled into the magnificent canyon, Red

525
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Speaker 3: Rock Canyon, that in any other state would be a

526
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Speaker 3: National park. And I was so taken by the spiritual nature.

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Speaker 4: Of the place.

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Speaker 3: I was taken by the founders, and I was taken

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Speaker 3: by the the ethic of no kill.

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Speaker 4: I'd never heard of it before.

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Speaker 1: And well, maybe you could just explain to us what

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Speaker 1: that means.

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Speaker 3: No yeah, no kill is really it's a philosophy. It's

534
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Speaker 3: that every life has intrinsic value, and every life that

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Speaker 3: can be saved should be saved. In pure data terms,

536
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Speaker 3: it means we know that about ninety percent of all

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Speaker 3: the animals that in our America's shelter system are savable,

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Speaker 3: and that ten percent sometimes they need to be humanely euthanized,

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Speaker 3: either they they're too sick or injured, or maybe their

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Speaker 3: behavior issues are too severe. And so that that's the

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Speaker 3: pure definition of no kill. But for us, it really

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Speaker 3: is a philosophy.

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Speaker 1: And so you you walked, you saw this animal sanctuary,

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Speaker 1: and you decided to just that your life would take

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Speaker 1: a different path.

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Speaker 3: I saw this animal sanctuary, We pulled out of the sanctuary,

547
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Speaker 3: and I stopped the car at a gas station and

548
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Speaker 3: put a couple of quarters in the pay phone and

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Speaker 3: called my dad and said, Hey, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: the University of Virginia law school.

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Speaker 4: I'm a canab Utah.

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Speaker 1: And I how did how did that? How did that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? He was so happy for me. No, he was.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I you know, honestly, I don't think he

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Speaker 3: got over it for a decade. Wow. We were really

556
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Speaker 3: it was really hard scrabble stuff in those early days.

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Speaker 3: You know. It was I was making one hundred and

558
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Speaker 3: eighty three dollars every two weeks. You know, we didn't

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Speaker 3: really have an h R department.

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Speaker 1: And that was in canep.

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Speaker 3: That was in cannap And you were expected to do

562
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Speaker 3: whatever it took just to keep the lights on and

563
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Speaker 3: keep the animals fed.

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Speaker 4: And so it was tough. It was really. I mean

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Speaker 4: it's still tough in its own way.

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Speaker 1: But back then, were the majority of the animals horses.

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Speaker 3: No, we had about seven hundred dogs, seven hundred dogs,

568
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Speaker 3: five hundred cats.

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Speaker 1: How do you keep I can't imagine seven hundred dogs.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was crazy.

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Speaker 3: So I was employee number seventeen, so there were seventeen

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Speaker 3: employees and then the founders. There were about twenty founders,

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Speaker 3: so all told, are about forty people taking care of

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Speaker 3: this massive sanctuary. You know, the acreage back then was

575
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Speaker 3: about three thousand acres.

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Speaker 1: God, So I've been to caneb and I'm I'm we're here.

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Speaker 1: You have a pizza joint? Oh yeah, yeah, that I

578
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Speaker 1: want to go to. But it's hard for me to

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Speaker 1: imagine that there's that many animals even around there. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a very heavily populated part of the world.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: A cannab is one of the most sparsely populated places

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Speaker 3: in America. So we knew social distancing before it became

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Speaker 3: a thing.

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Speaker 3: We've got parrots and bunnies and pigs and horses, and

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Speaker 3: we have a whole wildlife department where we see golden

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Speaker 3: eagles and bald eagles and hawks and deer and bob

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Speaker 3: cad and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: And what do you think about men and I were

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Speaker 1: speaking about her desire. I don't know how this works

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Speaker 1: to to actually kind of take her own property and

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Speaker 1: try to make it and try to use it as Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to be able to fit

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Speaker 1: that many dogs at your place, will you, But just

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Speaker 1: try to use it as a you know, a sanctuary

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Speaker 1: is is that something that you can that people can

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Speaker 1: actually look into doing and that you can help them

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Speaker 1: with or or you know, navigating you were talking about

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Speaker 1: navigating the governmental rules around that and I'm curious about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a whole course on that how to

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Speaker 3: start Wow amazing sanctuary where we go through all that

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Speaker 3: for people, you know, how to get your how to

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Speaker 3: register for a five LLO and C three status, what

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Speaker 3: legal support you need, what you're operating budget should look like,

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Speaker 3: basic animal care. We go through the whole thing and

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Speaker 3: we get a lot of people that have come through

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Speaker 3: that course over the years. We've been doing it for

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Speaker 3: about thirty years, and our whole premise is just to

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Speaker 3: be generous, generous with our experience, with our knowledge, with.

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Speaker 4: The success that we've had.

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Speaker 3: We really really believe that passing that along to other

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Speaker 3: organizations and people, it just makes this community stronger as.

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Speaker 2: Environing people to like, if they want to, if they

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Speaker 2: really want to do this, take animals in or at

626
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Speaker 2: least advocating for animals at any at any cost, like

627
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Speaker 2: just to get people just to get it on their

628
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Speaker 2: minds to know that they can do that because everybody

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Speaker 2: can advocate for what they believe in, and especially animals

630
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Speaker 2: because they don't have voices. It's just like, I love

631
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Speaker 2: that you're teaching people how to how to save animals,

632
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Speaker 2: like physically saved them too, and bring them into their homes.

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Speaker 2: It's like fostering is Fostering is like one of the

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Speaker 2: most incredible things that I've I can that humans can

635
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Speaker 2: do because they take them in until they can find homes.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's amazing too, Like you get people

637
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Speaker 2: to really foster if they can't commit to these animals,

638
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: they foster them, but then they also have to get

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Speaker 2: rid of them and send them away to their forever home.

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Speaker 2: And that's it's like the most selfless thing to me

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Speaker 2: that I feel like that you can do. And you

642
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Speaker 2: guys are so good at advocating for that too.

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Speaker 1: Do people come to actually come to you and adopt

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Speaker 1: off off of the best friends, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They do. And our sanctuary holds a really special place

646
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Speaker 3: because it really is the place where most animals that

647
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Speaker 3: come here and need that extra lover or attention, extra

648
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Speaker 3: medical care, extra special needs. But we've got life saving

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Speaker 3: centers all over the country.

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Speaker 4: Because okay, I see broader goal is.

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Speaker 3: To end killing of shelter pets five and so the

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Speaker 3: bulk of our adoptions take place in one of those

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Speaker 3: centers or through our network partners, about forty four hundred now.

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Speaker 1: So and do you do it also online that people

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Speaker 1: go and look look for look at animals online and

656
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Speaker 1: come from other places, because like you said to me,

657
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Speaker 1: there's so few people in Cannab for instance, that you

658
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: know or or or do most of the animals and

659
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Cannab just kind of stay there.

660
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: No, No, it's like destination location for people.

661
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Speaker 1: So I want to go. I really will not that

662
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: no I need, I don't need any more animals, but

663
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: I would like to go. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy how many see it online, see

665
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: an animal that what they want to meet, and they

666
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: travel all the way out to Canab fall in lot

667
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: have a new family member.

668
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you both something that man that

669
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Speaker 1: we can start with you and okay, I'll give you.

670
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: I'll give you example. I'm the youngest of six, and

671
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: to me, this is a really this really is kind

672
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: of a head scratcher for me. With all of my

673
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, the desire to uh be around animals,

674
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: be comfortable with animals, have animals. It goes from I

675
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: don't want to ever see any animals in my life

676
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: to a complete obsession with one of my sisters. You know,

677
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: has Has has always had multiple dogs, sometimes for at

678
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: a time, and is just you know, obsessed.

679
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: With her dogs.

680
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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, I mean, because both of you

681
00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: actually clearly care deeply about you know these creatures. What

682
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: do you think it is that makes somebody feel that

683
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: way about them or not? Because I can't figure it

684
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: out for myself, and I can't figure it out for

685
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: the people in my family.

686
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Speaker 2: It's almost like it feels like Nature talks through animals

687
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: more than they do human more than it does humans,

688
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: I guess, because animals are simpler and it's easier to trust.

689
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's just that, maybe you feel closer to

690
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: God with them. For me, I feel I feel closer

691
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: to nature. I feel like the energy from an animal

692
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: gives me a sense of belonging in the world. I don't.

693
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm I still can't make sense of it, so I

694
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: can't really answer your question. I just know how I

695
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: feel when I'm around them, and how I feel when

696
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: they're hurt, And I think that they never would. They

697
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: just don't they need our help. They don't deserve it.

698
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: They don't to see an animal and pain. It's just

699
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: like I have to interview. You have to intervene because

700
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: they need they most neatly need it. It's up to them,

701
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: I guess. But if, like especially if you can, you know,

702
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: intervene and and help them, you should. But it's just

703
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I just feel I

704
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: feel like I'm more fulfilled. Maybe it's just like a

705
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: like a selfish need, but also like there's a symbiosis happening,

706
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, when I'm in the mornings, when I go

707
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: out and feed. It's just even if the mini is

708
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: trying to kick me, I can't fault them for any

709
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: They're just innocent kick you. That's just the law. And

710
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: the guy he's he's cut off really hard life and

711
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: it's not his fault. So it's just like I have

712
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: to be careful around him, you know. And it yeah,

713
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: he really whips. He's very no but they couldn't walk

714
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: when they got here, so they It's just like there's

715
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: just something so incredible. And you know, Julie, you like

716
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: the impact that you had for like millions of them.

717
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: It's just like you, you know, there's a spiritual level

718
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Speaker 2: to carry for animals and being around them, being in

719
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: their presence that like really just uh, how about for you, Julian.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean I feel like it's almost some

721
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: of it, I think is your approximate location to animals

722
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: growing up, and I think the younger you're exposed.

723
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Speaker 4: The younger you're exposed.

724
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Speaker 3: The the more quickly that develops.

725
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Speaker 4: It's almost like a sixth sense.

726
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Speaker 3: And you know, you hear people talk about developing that

727
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: sixth sense. I think with animals that bond is so

728
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: powerful once you experience it, because it's almost on a

729
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: different plane. To me, it's like there's no judgment, there's

730
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: no These are special beings that we inhabit the earth

731
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Speaker 3: with and for us to think that somehow.

732
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Speaker 4: We're the.

733
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, we are the elevated being on this planet,

734
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: I think for obvious reasons, you know, we gravitate toward that.

735
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's quite arrogant

736
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: to place ourselves on this different level when the reality

737
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: is we are all connected.

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Speaker 1: You you have a goal in twenty twenty five. Can

739
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Speaker 1: you talk to us about that?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

741
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Speaker 3: It's so like this is this is what gets me

742
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: up in the morning. You know, when you think these

743
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: founders that started this organization in this sanctuary in the

744
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere really smart people, and they just ask

745
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: the simple question, why why is a society have we

746
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Speaker 3: chosen to round up animals, put them in a shelter

747
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: and exterminate them. It's just such a The practice was crazy,

748
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: and you know, it's something that had been going on

749
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: for one hundred and ten years by the time they

750
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: rolled around, and so their idea was so radical and novel,

751
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: but so simple and so so I can't even imagine

752
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: that today. Because back then the estimation was seventeen to

753
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: twenty million animals were dying every day in Americas shelters.

754
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: We have gotten numbered down to three hundred and eighty

755
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: five thousand.

756
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Speaker 1: That's oh my wow, that's increasible.

757
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: To think about a lot of these founders are still

758
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: alive and active in the organization. And to imagine that

759
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: you could bookend actually changing the world in your lifetime

760
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: starting this movement and then seeing it kind of you know,

761
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: get across the finish line.

762
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: I just marvel at that for real.

763
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Speaker 3: And so you think, okay, there's three hundred and eighty

764
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: thousand animals that are still dying. That's a thousand a

765
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: day roughly, it's a lot. It's like forty three an

766
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Speaker 3: hour or something.

767
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Speaker 2: And how do you decide who goes and whose days.

768
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: It's just like I can't imagine being that position. Yeah,

769
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what needs to happen, Like, how does

770
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: it get that bad because there's just no room.

771
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: It's a combination of factors. You know, some of these

772
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: shelters that we work with, we worked with one in

773
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: a fairly decently sized city.

774
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 4: This was right before COVID.

775
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: We we have programs all over the country.

776
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 4: We walked into the shelter.

777
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: Thirty thousand animals were coming in every year, twenty six

778
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: thousand were dying. And within a year and a half

779
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: we had taken that shelter from saving four thousand lives

780
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: a year to completely getting them to ninety percent. And

781
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: they have never gone back. And that's the beautiful thing.

782
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: It's a combination of letting the public public know you're

783
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: there really these animals, the public. Because seventeen million people

784
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: are going to get a pet this year, we know

785
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: that for a fact, YAP that del alta between seventeen

786
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: million and three hundred and eighty five.

787
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Speaker 4: This is not rocket.

788
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: Science, like we're talking about putting people on Mars and

789
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: we can't figure this out.

790
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: There's something.

791
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a that's a fascinating statistic. Is there

792
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: a some place that people can go either to learn

793
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: about the work you're doing or to find to find

794
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: an animal. You know, it's this is this is this

795
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: is the moment for the call to action.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got two years left to solve this. We're

797
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: all we're all in, we're all working very hard. You

798
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: can go to best Friends dot org. There's so many

799
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: different ways to get involved. Amand dimension fostering which immediately

800
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: saves a life. That we have an action team that

801
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: helps locally. We've got a network of rescues and shelters

802
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: that's forty four hundred strong that we support every single day,

803
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: and that you know, we hope others support through volunteering

804
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: and donating.

805
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: But you can go on our website.

806
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: You can see all of our adoptable animals, and there's

807
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways you can get involved, even

808
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: if you don't have the time.

809
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's awesome. I love what you're doing, you know,

810
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: on behalf of let's say Doc and Norma, Jean and

811
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: Jolene and Apollo and June and Johnny and Lucy and

812
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: Little Ricky and Daisy Junior and Sharona and Kate, whom

813
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: I forget thank you. They just they wanted me to

814
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: say thank you for all all that what you're doing

815
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really amazing. Thank you, and both of

816
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: you keep up the good work. Amanda. I hope that

817
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: you can continue to to uh, you know, to work

818
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: this this this angle of taking in animals that need help.

819
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Speaker 2: I've I've so enjoyed my time with best friends. They

820
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: always it's always such a celebration set of I mean,

821
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: you look at the numbers and they're harrowing and it's

822
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: really upsetting to know, yes, it's three hundreds, it's it's

823
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: less than half are being used nice, but it's still

824
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: so many. Like it's not ignoring that fact, but it's

825
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: also celebrating the fact that we're you're going in the

826
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: right direction and you are and nobody's stopping. So I'm

827
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm through. I mean, it's coming up and it's every day.

828
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: I I know how how how much you love your job,

829
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 2: and it really rubs off.

830
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you and we're grateful for your support, and

831
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's uh, I think there's an authenticity to

832
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: you that that I really gravitate toward.

833
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people do.

834
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: There's just this, you know, really special message that you

835
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: have to deliver about just about anything you talk about.

836
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: So it's very.

837
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: Cool too, you know, have both of you to support

838
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: this cause so deeply, and I'm super grateful, and I

839
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: think it's a at the end of the day, it

840
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: really is a noble cause. Like it's it's it's one

841
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: of those that you know, there's no there's no divide

842
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: to it. Really, there's no politics around it in terms

843
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: of you know, when eighty percent of Americans have a

844
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: pet at home, you know, it's a it's one of

845
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: those rare causes that so many different people get behind.

846
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 4: And it's just.

847
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: A true honor for me to do this, Like I

848
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: feel like this work is not I didn't choose this,

849
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: this is it's like what you said earlier, I kind

850
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: of just walked into this and and I feel like

851
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: I'm really not it's it's it's at some other hand whatever.

852
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: May be.

853
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much for being here.

854
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate your time.

855
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: It's so nice to your employee.

856
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: That's your face and yeah, back at you, back at you.

857
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's very very fitting that you did

858
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Speaker 1: this interview from a.

859
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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