1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: the bonus with Doug gottli. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: What Up Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio, 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app Welcome in. There's a there's video out there 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: of Dan Lanning when they're about to run out last 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: weekend take on Penn State, and Penn State does that 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: we are chant and he says his players yells, we 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: are about we are about to get our ass kicked. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: And there's this and and honestly, frankly, it's something I 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: struggle with as a coach where I'm a confident dude, 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: I know when my team's prepared, and yet obviously record 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: you're like, wow, you're not supposed to, like, how do 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: you There's just that fine line of knowing you've got 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: a good enough team, not being a jerk, but being 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: confident but not arrogant. And a lot of people make 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: it a big deal. But the meme or the video 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: of after the game, did I think he was a 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: bit of a dick against Oaklahoma State? Yeah, they were 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: way better, but oklahom State simply couldn't stop the run. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: They just lined up and it didn't matter. Who they 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: put back there just ran the ball and it was 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: a complete shellacking. But it did feel like there was 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: some extra emphasis on it. And you know, it's like, 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: why are you running it up on a team that's 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: not any good and taking great joy in it. So 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: part of me thinks, like, Okay, Landing needs a little 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: bit of his come up ins. But part of it 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: is the former athletes, like I'm actually I kind of 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: gravitate towards that level of confidence, and so maybe it's 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: maybe I need to kind of retract my or not retract, 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: rethink my comments in We talked about this all the time. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: The uniforms and the uniform designs are not for me 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: or you. They're for players, right, They're not made. Do 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: they sell him, Yeah, but they're really made. It was 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: always intense on attracting players. Hey, we're Oregon, we're off 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: the beaten path, but we have this really cool thing 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: with Nike where we get the coolest and most unique 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: uniforms of anybody in the country. That's cool, that has 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: equity the masses of young people, and I think that 40 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: again those uniforms. If you like him and don't like him, 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's not designed for you. Well, that's 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: the same thing with how Dan Lanning handles himself and 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: gets ready for games. If you think he's arrogant, that's 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: fine you can. If you think he's a prick, that's 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: fine you can't. Or if you think that he's nailing 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: it or whatever, that's fine. You're allowed to think that. 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is players. How do they 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: feel about it? And winning all these games? I think 49 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: they feel pretty good. 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: Let's Get the Fox says and now every day, this 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: time that Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast for 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: a previous version of a Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: One show, here's Dan Patrick talking about NFL placekickers. 57 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: Now, all of a sudden, it's the kickers are ruining 58 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: the game. All they're doing is kicking. They've gotten better, 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: they've gotten stronger, And it goes back to the analytics. 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: It's gotten back to geometry, and it's gotten back to 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: how do I strengthen my leg? Okay, and you know, 62 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: how do we block. If you're kicking a sixty five 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: yard field goal, well that ball is going to be lower. 64 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: You got to make sure you do your job differently 65 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: up front. So but we're seeing more kicks are blocked, well, 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: more kicks are blocked. It feels like because now we 67 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: have longer kicks, we have no problem. Like when the 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: ball goes out to the thirty five yard line, you're thinking, 69 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: we get two first downs, we're in field goal range. 70 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: It didn't used to be that way. 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: It was like, man, it's fifty yards and then all 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's sixty yards, and then Tom Dempsey 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: and then it's sixty three yards, and you're thinking, these 74 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: guys can kick seventy yards. I think somebody's kicking a 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: seventy yard field goal this year. 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: But they do it. 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: You watch them when they practice. Now there's no rush, 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: there's no pressure, but these guys have the leg to 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: get it that far. 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: They do. It's I was actually on the fifty yard 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: line of Lucas Oilfield yesterday. We were talking about how 82 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: unbelievably skilled those guys are. But yeah, they It's crazy 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: that two things have happened at once, which is one 84 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: NFL kickers have now shown the ability to make sixty 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: yarders with relative fifty yards with relative ease. And two 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: we've had all these block kicks. Here's Colin Cowhert talking 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: about AJ Brown. 88 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 4: J McK and I had a disagreement on this. I said, 89 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor. In 90 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: most careers, you got about twenty five years of prime 91 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: and you can work to your seventies. You can't as 92 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 4: a pro football player, and so A J. 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 5: Brown. 94 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: And I do think winning matters, but he's already he 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: got a trophy. I do think if you went to 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 4: Kobe and said, listen, you get six shots a game, 97 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: Kobe would have been like, peace out, I'm gonna go 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 4: somewhere else. AJ Brown gets fewer yards than the third 99 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills tight end. He's got money and he's got 100 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: a trophy. His legacy is on the line. He's not necessary. 101 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: They try to target him nine targets seven yards most 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 4: of the time. He's just not And I think if 103 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: I was AJ Brown, this sounds selfish, but I think 104 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: pro athletes get cornered into well it's about winning games. 105 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: Well that's part of it, and it's transformational money, and 106 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 4: there's legacies involved. And my take is, if I was 107 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 4: AJ Brown, I'd go to Philadelphia and I'd say quietly, 108 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna screw the market up. I'm not gonna 109 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: do a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks. I 110 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: don't want to be here. Make a deal. I think 111 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 4: AJ Brown has a right to leave. I am defending 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: him not staying with a better organization. Am I wrong? 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: I just I This is the coaching perspective. You won 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, your competitive every year for Super Bowl 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 2: AJ Brown not being able to actually shut the fuck 116 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: up and play, dude, you can win without AJ Brown. 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: You'll be just fine. You'll be just fine. I have 118 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: no doubt. I think he's terrific. I think he's a 119 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: very good football player. And every wide receiver has this 120 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: bit of diva where you know inherently they want the ball, 121 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: they think they can win the game on their own. 122 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: But but you've won essentially without him a ton. So 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: he needs to get line, and I do think that 124 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: the time to get him in line is now, not later, 125 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: not later. Here's Brady Quinn talking about shod Or Sanders 126 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: mining his way through answers in the locker room. 127 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 6: It got to the point where and I had a 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 6: couple media people reach out and there are comments were 129 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 6: literally that was the oddest. That was the weirdest thing 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 6: I've ever experienced covering the Browns. And these are people 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 6: who've covered it for a long time. And I said 132 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 6: to myself, like, they've seen a lot of things like 133 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 6: that's that's saying something. But supposedly this was in response 134 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 6: to something that was said on ESPN by someone who's 135 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 6: taken a lot of had a lot of hot takes 136 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: so far this year, and this is why he did 137 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 6: what he did, which was just incredibly odd. Like, I 138 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 6: don't even know what to make of that. It comes 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 6: off as very immature as a response, even if it 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 6: was to Rex Ryan bizarre. I mean, I've never seen 141 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 6: a player handle things like that before. 142 00:07:52,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: I'd agree, I'd completely agree with you in that it's 143 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: really immature. It's not that these things are not that hard, right. 144 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: Ask me what I think about Dylan Gabriel getting to 145 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 2: getting the starting job. Hey, I'm really happy for Dylan. 146 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to support him as any quarterback in our 147 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: quarterback room should, and I'm gonna be ready if God 148 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: forbid something happens. But my job this week is to 149 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: get him ready and to keep learning and keep readying 150 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: myself for if and when my opportunity comes, that's it. 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: But instead he makes a complete He just he makes 152 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: a farce of the whole thing. And I've read things 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: where like, oh, it's brilliant, right. Why would he do 154 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: it well? Because in his mind, anything he said would 155 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: be used against him. You know, anything he said, the 156 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: media is going to turn it against you, like not 157 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: if you just say the right thing. 158 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 5: So I'm going to go back to my same take. 159 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 5: I don't know if you watched it, but the reporters 160 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 5: were not giving in. The reporters were going to be 161 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: there all day until he said a word, and a 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 5: member of the Browns media staff actually started doing their 163 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 5: job and they said, that's enough. Guys. I have no 164 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: idea why a team who pays a staff five deep 165 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: of media relations people, I don't understand how that staff 166 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 5: allows him to be available for anything because they know 167 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 5: by now that that becomes the story. The Dylan Gabriel 168 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 5: promotion yesterday was secondary to Shador Sanders acting like a 169 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: fucking idiot. Why don't the Browns understand that, and they 170 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 5: don't make him available and they tell reporters he's not 171 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 5: available today. We see this all the time in sports. 172 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 5: I'm sure you have a media staff like this is 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 5: what they do. They protect the team from bad publicity. 174 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: That's what their job is. 175 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: To the core. 176 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: Um, yeah, but again, like you've been a college star, 177 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: you've been in front of the media. You don't know 178 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: how to handle this. Again, I'm just I'm asking, like, yet, yes, 179 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: you could not. He doesn't have to be available, he 180 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be available. But I do think it's 181 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: very normal in this situation to go and hey, we 182 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: want to go to get you do it for coming now. 183 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: The truth is the local media knows he hasn't been 184 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: the backup quarterback. It shouldn't be a surprise that Dylan 185 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 2: Gabriel is getting first crack at this thing. He was 186 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: drafted higher, he's listed hiring the depth chart. It makes 187 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: complete and total sense. But if you're twenty two to 188 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: twenty three years old, you've started for four years in college, 189 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: your dad was a star, you've had a hammering your 190 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: face your whole life. This is this is not hard. 191 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: This is not hard. I hear what you're saying this 192 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: is not hard not a hard one, not at all. Uh, 193 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: that's what the Fox said. 194 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: Say. 195 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 196 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 197 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 198 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: Let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart. 199 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying. 200 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: So something that's kind of taken a life of its 201 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 5: own here on Twitter, and I have not gotten ratioed yet, 202 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: so I'm not going to give in. But the number 203 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 5: of critics are increasing and the number of likes are 204 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 5: staying the same, so I might be ratioed pretty quick. 205 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: I'm gonna set this up for the listeners. Fernando Cruz 206 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 5: is a baseball player. He's a reliever, middle reliever for 207 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: the Yankees. He came in last night with runners on 208 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 5: first and second in the eighth inning, first and second, 209 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 5: nobody out in a tie game. He gets the first 210 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 5: dumbass who popped up a bunt, then he got out two, 211 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: and then Trevor Story comes up and hits a fastball 212 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 5: that missed. In other words, the fastball needed to be located, 213 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 5: probably out of the strike zone. It got way too 214 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 5: much of the strike zone and Trevor Story hit the 215 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 5: shit out of the ball. It was like twenty feet. 216 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 5: If he pulls a twenty feet it's a three run homer. 217 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 5: But no, regardless, it was a p shot to the 218 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 5: warning track. It could have been a three run homer. 219 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 5: And this Fernando Cruz guy is acting like the guy 220 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: like struck a batter out after a hundred and three 221 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 5: mile power fastball. I mean everyone has seen it, right 222 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 5: his antics and he's literally chest pounding. Chest pounding, according 223 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 5: to chat GPT, by the way, is a gesture that says, 224 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 5: look at me, look what I just did. Pounding your 225 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 5: chest after giving up a almost moonshot and not doing 226 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 5: your job and getting that pitch out of the strike zone, 227 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: to me, came off as unseemly. I needed to see 228 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: more humility in that moment. I needed to see him 229 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: thank the gods that he got away with something. But 230 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 5: instead he's sitting there out in front of the dugout 231 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 5: would look at me gestures that's annoying to me, Doug, 232 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 5: I completely agree. 233 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: There is something that major league players they know when 234 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: a guy's missed. What was the exit vlo on that 235 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: one would love to know, like even though it was 236 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: warning track, it feels it. It feels like like an 237 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: easier out to them than it does to us. I 238 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: would say the pounding on his chest was did he 239 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: come in with the runners at first and second? So 240 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: getting out of it is the is the thing. But yeah, 241 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: the guy nearly took him yard. I get what you're annoyed. 242 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: I don't think you'll get ratioed because I think there's 243 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: a good percentage of people that agree with you. 244 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 5: I think that there's like a there's a slippage. There's 245 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: been a slippage, and what has become accepted. I don't know. 246 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 5: I mean, you're the you're the basketball coach, but like 247 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 5: I don't know shit about basketball. But what does offend 248 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 5: my sensibilities is when a guy misses a big free 249 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: throw and he seeks out high fives, Like, you just 250 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 5: missed the free throw and you're looking for high fives. 251 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 5: I understand the concept of you just missed a big 252 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 5: free throw and your teammates are going to come up 253 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 5: to you and support you. You got this high five, 254 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 5: But why is the shooter who just missed the shots 255 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: seeking high five like that to me is like something 256 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 5: that that's fucking weird. That seems like a gen Z thing, 257 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 5: like I need support type of thing. Does that offend 258 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 5: your sensibilities as much as it does me? 259 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: Uh No, because the high five sometimes it's it's guys 260 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: way of breaking out of it. The guys have a rhythm. 261 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: They always give high fives. So I think you're overthinking 262 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: a little bit too much, you know, I just that 263 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: would be my That would be my take there. 264 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 5: So I have an issue with the term conspiracy theorist, right, 265 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 5: It's become a pejorative. Uh It's become a way of 266 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: kind of dismissing somebody as a fucking imbecile when it basically, 267 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 5: I guess by definition, is just kind of believing in 268 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: something where more than more than two people agreed to 269 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 5: participate in something and keep it a secret. That's what 270 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 5: a conspiracy theory is. It's become a pejorative, it's become political. 271 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: I get it. So Jackson Dart pissed some people off 272 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 5: on the left, especially by saying that he doesn't think 273 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 5: that we landed on the moon. Now, this is one 274 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: of those conspiracy theories that that is believed by a 275 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: lot of people. There have been books written about it, 276 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 5: there have been movies made about it. The flat Earth thing, 277 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 5: you totally lose me. Like when Kyrie Irving, I think, 278 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 5: said he still thinks Earth is flat, Well, you're just 279 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 5: fucking stupid, and there are there are no reasonable or 280 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: scientific reasons to believe that the Earth is flat. Now 281 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: the moon landing thing, and I would I would actually 282 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: for people that are just shaking their head right now, 283 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 5: I would encourage people to like seek out a podcast. 284 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 5: Joe Rogan debated this guy named Bart Sibrel. Bart Sibrel 285 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 5: is the guy who makes the case for the moon 286 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 5: landing being a hoax, how it was all done on 287 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: film to win the Battle of the you know, the 288 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 5: space race with the Russians in the heat of the 289 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: Cold War. He makes an incredible case. It's it's very interesting. 290 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 5: I'm not saying if you listen to it you're going 291 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 5: to become a conspiracy theorist asshole. I'm thinking if you 292 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 5: listen to it, you're going to be thought provoked. It's provocative. 293 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 5: It's like, oh, that's another way of seeing something. Maybe 294 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 5: I won't believe everything everybody tells me. Full sail So 295 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 5: Jackson Dart getting shit for believing this conspiracy theory, which 296 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 5: I think is just is interesting. I'm not saying I 297 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: believe it's true. I just think that a lot of 298 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 5: people believe what Jackson Dart does, that we faked the 299 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: moon landing to win the space race with the Russians. 300 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: But it's just annoying to see him thrown into the 301 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 5: fucking Maga crew because he believes that we faked the spacelanded. 302 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: Yes, but the Maggot crew has become the conspiracy theorist crew, right, 303 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's my point. Yes, Yeah, it's a it's 304 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: a it's a weird one. When there were when I 305 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: when I was in high school, I used to think 306 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: the same thing. It had to be that looks like 307 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: a sound stage, you know, it looks like a sound stage. 308 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: But I am going to download that one. I am 309 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: going to listen to it later on today. But okay, 310 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: so those are didn't she have one? 311 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: More so? 312 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 5: Kathy Engelbert sent out a statement everyone knows about the 313 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 5: NOFISA call your Takedown a couple days ago we covered 314 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 5: on our show. And then there's been the Kathy Engelbert statement, 315 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 5: and then there's been the fallout. Scott Van Pelt spent 316 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 5: his I Guess You opinion part of his Sports center 317 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 5: on it. Steven A says she needs to resign. So 318 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 5: the calls are coming from the rights holder for her 319 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: to resign. It's this weird uh, not even a slow 320 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: moving coup. It's just a fucking coup. So the rights holders, 321 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 5: the big voices on the rights holders, are saying to 322 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 5: retire or to resign. It's been full throated. Everybody in 323 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 5: the players Union agrees with the FISA Collier's version of 324 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: that conversation. I still maintained two days later that she 325 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: probably didn't make up the conversation with all the negative 326 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 5: shit that that the commissioner said, but she sures how 327 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 5: mischaracterized it. It's like, if you, Doug, want to make 328 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 5: a case to your buddies that that chick that broke 329 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 5: up with you is crazy, they're going to get a 330 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 5: very one sided viewpoint of this check and maybe some 331 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 5: of the things she said, you're going to exaggerate a 332 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 5: little bit because your consensus building, well, the FISA Collier 333 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 5: was consensus building. She wants everybody on her side. I 334 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 5: don't believe a fucking word of how she reapped under 335 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 5: those comments. Now, Kathy Engelbrook could be incompetent, she could 336 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 5: suck as a leader. I don't really know where care 337 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 5: to be honest, but I just think this is fucking dirty. 338 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 5: Whatever's going on right now is very dirty. 339 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: I thank you for bringing this up. Here's the here's 340 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: the issue, okay that I almost First of all, I 341 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: agree with you on if there's zero percent chance she 342 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: said those things in the way in which they're portrayed, 343 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: or I believe she said word for word that Nafisia 344 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: Colliers is representing. If she did, I have no problem 345 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: I calling for resignation or she should be fired, Like, 346 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: no problem with it, right, So that's that's the first thing, Like, 347 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: it's just people in charge don't speak like that, especially 348 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: to a player. They're not idiots, even if she did 349 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: believe it, which I don't believe that she does. The 350 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: second part, here's actually probably the troubling thing is is 351 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: that some of her comments two days ago, I think 352 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: is when Engelbert actually spoke to the media, some of 353 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: her comments and the way in which Nafisia Collier is 354 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: taking her comments is diminishing Caitlin Clark really, which by 355 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: the way is what every WNBA player has done. And 356 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: Engelbert at her press conference said kept saying like this 357 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: is over twenty five years, no one player. She is 358 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: actually bowing at the feet of these WNBA ladies, not 359 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: saying that their rise to popularity is because of Kaitlyn Clark. 360 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: So she's kissing their ass while pointing out to them 361 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: kind of the matter of fact fashion of how it 362 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: actually works and whatever, and they still want to get 363 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: rid of her. Can we be honest, jay Stu, do 364 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: you think that if the CBA deal was different that 365 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: because because here's what's happening, They're gonna the w NBA 366 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: players want to walk out on the deal, on their deal, okay, 367 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: they want this offseason to be and they're like, hey, 368 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: we maybe we don't play next year. So my guess 369 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: is this is a coup to get somebody more player 370 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: friendly in there. Player friendly means they get a more 371 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: prayer friendly deal, they get a more player friendly deal, 372 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: and suddenly now they have a commissioner that they like. 373 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: And the crazy part about it is she's kissing their ass, 374 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 2: acting like they're not popular just because of Kaitlyn Clark. 375 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: Went that's the reality to it. Kaitlin Clark has brought 376 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: them to a whole new level of popularity. Would this 377 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: happen if she was African American? It's a question interesting 378 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: what would it happened if you know? Because look, here's 379 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: the way, here's the here, here's my issue with I 380 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: don't know if it's woke or whatever. I don't know 381 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: what they're but this is what's happening. Anybody who's in 382 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: charge they want to get rid of. I mean, people 383 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: came out to Roger Goodell for years and the whole 384 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: point that the owners made and I'm sure the WNBA 385 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: owners are probably thinking, is Engelbert actually done a pretty 386 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: good job. We're actually making some money now, like getting 387 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: new TV deals. 388 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. 389 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: So I just I think this is dirty pool. I 390 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: don't think. And by the way, like Steven A. You 391 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: don't have you talked to the commissioner of the WNBA 392 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: because you're Steven if. This is my biggest problem with 393 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith. He is, in any conversation, the five 394 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 2: most powerful people in the world of sports. Fair So 395 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: if he takes up the phone and he calls Kathy 396 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: Eelbert and says, hey, can you take me through like 397 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: this conversation you had with ifs Collier, she would, but 398 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: you know what he didn't do. He didn't do the 399 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: fucking work. And the worst hard about it is calling 400 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: the other side to have a conversation or to even 401 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: get comment. Who does that? 402 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 4: What? 403 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: What part? What profession does that? So, Jay stew what 404 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: profession would when somebody accuses one side of something would 405 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: call the other side to get their side of the story. 406 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're asking me what profession? 407 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? What profession? 408 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 5: Like journalists somebody who says that they've been a journalist 409 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 5: for decades. 410 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: Yes, So my point about Stephen and we know he's 411 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: opinion is he's not. But again, don't represent yourself as 412 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: a journalist. I think it's embarrassing. It's like it's literally 413 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: taking one person's word for it. And like Nafisia Collier's 414 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: husband being involved with the big threat with the whatever 415 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: the what is that called not undisputed the unrivaled, which 416 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 2: is a three on three full court league. It's a 417 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: form of competition with the w NBA. Granted it's not 418 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: but because it's a different time of year. But like 419 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: all of these are conflicts of interest, and Nafisia Collier 420 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: has a reason to think what she thinks and say 421 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: what she says. I just I'm with you. I don't 422 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: buy it, and I think I'm really I'm not surprised. 423 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 2: But this is the power of women in sports. It's 424 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: really interesting. Like women in sports, you cannot criticize their performance. 425 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: You cannot criticize their looks, like in terms of not 426 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: facially if they're pretty or not pretty, but like if 427 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: they're in shape not in shape, like, good luck doing that. 428 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: Yet they want to be treated and covered the same 429 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: way the men's men's athletes are, which are not Like 430 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: if a Oliver Miller was famously gigantic. In fact, Sean 431 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: Kemp ruined his career up to the lockout because he 432 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: came back so heavy. We all talked about it. We 433 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: can't do that with women, And again that's fine. I'm 434 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: okay with it. I've been I was taught at a 435 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: very young age by my parents that you don't talk 436 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: about a woman's weight. Great, but all of these you 437 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: can't do because they're a woman. Thing that changes the 438 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: idea of them being treated the same. And if a 439 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: male athlete came out and said these things about about 440 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: the NBA the NFL Commission'd be like, whoa, and you 441 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: know you do you go to that commission and go like, 442 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: is this true what was said in that conversation. But 443 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: that's not what we do here. That's not what we 444 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: do here. So I would say the whole Kathy Engelbert 445 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: thing is annoyed. 446 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can? 447 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: That's because we can here, Jaystuo. 448 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 5: Doug, the AJ Brown thing has become a big story, 449 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 5: big NFL story this week. AJ Brown came out and 450 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: read a statement, took some questions yesterday. But it all 451 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 5: goes back to him sending out that less than cryptic, 452 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 5: pretty unsubtle social media posts on Sunday after he got 453 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 5: two catches in the game, and then a week of 454 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 5: discussion in the talk space here. And one of those 455 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: voices is his former teammate. This is Jason Kelsey. I 456 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 5: don't know if you know who he is because you 457 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 5: never see him on commercials or on TV. He's got 458 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: a brother named Travis, and they have a podcast and 459 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 5: they talked about AJ. 460 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: Your four No boss, Come on, man, I don't think 461 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 7: this is where you and I disagree a little bit. 462 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 7: A couple of weeks ago, I don't think it's unfathomable 463 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 7: that a player of AJ Brown's caliber. I think that 464 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 7: he should be upset that he is not being utilized 465 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 7: in this offense. I think that as a normal feeling, 466 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 7: and I think he should feel comfortable explicitly saying that 467 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 7: to the coaches and players within that locker room. 468 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 6: I do. 469 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 7: I don't think that that's like a dick move, a 470 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 7: selfish move. AJ knows the level of player he is 471 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 7: and what he can do to offenses and we as 472 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 7: offensive though, everybody should be upset that AJ's not getting 473 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 7: the ball, and I guarantee they are. They're trying to 474 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 7: force it to them. I just it needs to be 475 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 7: done in a better way. But one of the things 476 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 7: about this quote is if you're not welcome not listening 477 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 7: to you, quietly withdraw, don't make a scene, shrug your 478 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 7: shoulders and be anyway. Everyone should be really happy that 479 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 7: AJ Brown is not doing that. Like by him tweeting this, 480 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 7: he's literally not doing the tweet right He's being vocal 481 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 7: and he's telling everybody, I'm fucking not happy with what's 482 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 7: happening right now. 483 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I just this need for attention, this need for 484 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: outside people to jump in on a conversation, and I 485 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: think this is one where Jason Kelsey probably a little 486 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: bit too much, too close to the forest to see 487 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: the trees and how it looks, you know. I mean, 488 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: he's a former ego, he's a teammate of him, Like, 489 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: what's he going to say here? Almost to the recuse 490 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: your self level? But yeah, it's okay to not be 491 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: happy with it. It's just not when everybody can see you. 492 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: You look like a whiny malcontent. Why could we play 493 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: for you? Because we can. That's it for the In 494 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: the Modus podcast. Check out the radio show every day 495 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: three to five Eastern twelve too Pacific, Fox Sports Radio, 496 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb.