1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Bucky here Buck. What's going on man? Not too much DJ, 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: just a lot, you know, just kind of dealing with 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: everything that has taken place. But I am glad to 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: have a welcome reprieve to have some real conversations, some 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: normal conversation about sports and football and the like. And 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I think we have a couple of great guests, like 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Chrisconlin's Worth is going to join his lead analysts with 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football CEO of p p f F, and 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: then Lincoln Rally, the Oklahoma head coach, also stops about 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: for a minute to share a few thoughts. Yeah, and 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: both of them, UM have some real important words talking 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: about what's going on in the country right now. And UM, 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: trust me, I think we've talked about it. We talked 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: about the other day. But I think being able to 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: listen to people in different perspectives and and it's important 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: during this time. So I think there's some good that 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: came out of those conversations. So we'll share that with 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: you as we get going here. Um, but before we 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: get to the interviews. Um, real quick, just your take. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: We talked about this on the TV show, but just 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: your take on the news that coaches are gonna get 24 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: a chance to get back in the building. It looks 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: like there's at least some positive news on that front. Yeah. 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: I think it's real positive and I think it's important. 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: It's a big first step towards having a training camp 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: that it looks like it might begin on time. I 29 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: don't want to be over the optimistic, but it kind 30 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: of seems like the NFL is going to proceed as schedule, 31 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: and so for the coaches getting back as a chance. 32 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: But you can get a lot a lot of work 33 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: done virtually, but sometimes you want to be uh in 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: in company with people to have these conversations, to do 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: some of the planning, to get some of the xs 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: and os and the logistics worked out. So this is 37 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: really a very very positive step when it comes to planning, 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: because I do believe teams are going to have to 39 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: rely on those contingency plans. Now that we know training 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: camp is going to take place at team facilities, you 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: may not have some of the field space that you 42 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: were planning on in training camp. You now have to 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: rework the to schedule and just kind of figure out 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: how can we get all of this work done and 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: maybe some real, real close cozy confines of your home facility. Yeah, 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: I think people don't realize too a lot of these times. 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: A lot of times you have new position coaches or 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: new coordinators, so you get a chance with the defensive 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: coordina who has a new defensive backs coach for them 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: to be in the building together. Um, that there's value there. 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: And I know everybody's done their best through Zoom and 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to do this thing virtually. But I think the 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: coaches being able to be together, um, that is going 54 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: to be helpful as they prepare for the upcoming season. Yeah, 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really helpful. And even though 56 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: we all like working from home, there are some distractions 57 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: that may exist that may prevent you from fully being 58 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: all the way engaged. But now being able to get 59 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: into the office and kind of have some of those 60 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: distraction distractions removed, you really can begin to focus in 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: on what we want to get done in training camp, 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: what we want to get done the first part of 63 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: the season. Last thing, and we'll get to these interviews, 64 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: But I had a conversation with the coaching buddy, and 65 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: he brought this point up, and I thought it was 66 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: paralleled over to scouting. I think it's the same here. 67 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: We always ask players, remember when the combine in the 68 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: in the meeting interviews, the combined meetings with players and prospects, 69 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: and you'll hear some questions like how are you as 70 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: a competitor? You know, how important is winning to you? 71 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: You know how much do you love football? And people 72 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: give you answers, and you take everything with a chunk 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: of salt, not a grain of salt, because everybody's gonna 74 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: say the positive things. And this coach brought up a 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: great point. He said he was talking to somebody who said, 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: this year, we're going to find out the answers to 77 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: those questions. And that's gonna be with NFL players and 78 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: with college players because you have been on your own. 79 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: If you if you were all about winning, if you 80 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: love football and you're passionate about it, you're gonna show 81 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: up that first day and you're gonna you're gonna see 82 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: a guy that's in shape, that's been working hard, that 83 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: knows the offense or defense, has studied he is ready 84 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: to go because there's been no handholding through this offseason. Bucky, 85 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: it's every man for himself. You're gonna have some guys 86 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: come in. I'm telling you get ready for the stories. 87 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, player player X showed up twenty pounds overweight. 88 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: You know there's gonna be those stories. I guarantee it. Yeah, 89 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: you talk about the conditioning level, I think we're actually 90 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: going to find out about teaching styles from coaches and 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: learning ability from players, because there's some players who just 92 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: get it better when they're on the field and able 93 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: to go through walkthroughs and physically go through the process 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: of learning and offense or defensive scheme where other guys 95 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: can take it. We used to always say, hey, they 96 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: can go from the board to the field. You draw 97 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: it up short to them, they're going to feel and 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: they don't have issue. It is going to be a 99 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: challenge for coaches to separate the guys that may need 100 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: a little extra time walking through these things as opposed 101 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: to the guys that just are able to get it 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: as is presented virtually. And I think that's why if 103 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: you look at the size of coaching staffs in the NFL, 104 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: it's never been bigger than it is now. There are 105 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: zillion coaches. Almost every single position group has at least 106 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: two coaches, and I'd love to know your perspective on that. 107 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: When you started playing Buck, that was not the case. 108 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: You do not have two dB coaches, to offensive line coaches, 109 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to you know, to receiver coaches. They can split up 110 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: that room a little bit, and maybe one of those 111 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: coaches can take some of these young kids or new 112 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: guys under his wing and really try and get him 113 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: on the field. Time with those guys, Yeah, depending on 114 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: how they break them out. So for instance, in the 115 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: defensive backfield, they would have a safeties in a corners coach. Well, 116 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: maybe you just have a secondary coach and an assistant. 117 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: And what I would do is I would treat that assistant, 118 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: not disrespecting them, but I would treat them like a 119 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: g A. Here's what I would like you to do. 120 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: When I got the older players over here, I want 121 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: you to work with the younger players over here on 122 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the basics. I want them to really understand so when 123 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: they get those limited reps that they're going to get, 124 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: I want perfection. I want them to really understand what 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: we're asking them to do. And I really worry about 126 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the younger players and how you develop them in this 127 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: condensed environment where you're you don't have as much time 128 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: to really put them on the field like we would 129 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: in O T A s and mini camps. How are 130 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: we going to get the young guys up to speed? Yeah? 131 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, remember when you're playing and they 132 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: always just use that that acronym, right kiss, keep it simple, stupid, 133 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, that this is the time to 134 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: do that. Let's not try and get too complex, too crazy. 135 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Let's get some core principles and some core uh schemes 136 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: down and understand them and be able to execute them 137 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: at a very high level. Yeah, DJ, I think that's 138 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: really going to come into play the the challenges coaches 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: have had all of this time in the off season 140 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: to overthink everything that they want to do schematically, and 141 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: the best teams are the ones that are gonna be 142 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: able to keep it pretty tight, a real tight menu, 143 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: really focus on getting the guys up to speed, to 144 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: play fast early and then slowly add onto their offensive 145 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: and defensive menus as the season gets going. Well, it's 146 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge for everybody involved. It is good news. 147 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: At least we get the coaches back in the building, 148 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: and it looks as if at this point in time 149 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna get going on time with training camp. So 150 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: that's exciting news. Alright, we we teach it there at 151 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: the top. We had a chance to visit with Chris Collinsworth, 152 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: who's as sharp as it gets and and I think 153 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: you guys are going to really enjoy this conversation. Excited 154 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: to be joined by our next guest, Chris Collinsworth, I 155 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: feel almost goofy introducing him and his athletes. Everybody knows 156 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: who he is. He's the lead analyst for Sunday Night Football. 157 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: He's the CEO of PFF. He was a fine wide 158 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: receiver in his day as well. Chris, thanks so much 159 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: for taking the time for us today. Pleasure, guys. I 160 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching new show. I appreciate that. Look, this 161 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: is uh, it's it's a crazy, crazy world we're living 162 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: in right now. Chris and we were talking a little 163 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: bit before we went on air. Just you know, as 164 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: you as a young boy growing up, it almost feels 165 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: like we've seen similar turmoil. You've seen it in your lifetime. 166 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Just I would love to get your thoughts and maybe 167 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: some hope out there for everybody. Yeah, I'm I don't 168 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: feel like I'm the right person to be speaking as 169 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: to some of these issues, but I certainly have lived 170 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: a lifetime of this um Night teen sixty eight, of course, 171 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: the whole civil rights movement and Martin Luther King and 172 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy and you know, Malcolm X. And I read 173 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: Malcolm X's book and trying to understand, you know what 174 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: so many people can't understand. And I think we're all 175 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: thinking about Colin Kaepernick and the symbolism of exactly what 176 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: his protests was at the time, and that the lead 177 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: respond in the right way when we have been better 178 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: off of individual owners maybe had their own reaction and 179 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: had the right to do whatever they in particular wanted 180 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you know, I think all of 181 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: our brains are are all over the place, but George 182 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Floyd certainly didn't deserve what happened to him. And I 183 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: think that's where you're starting. You just hope that it 184 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: gets better. You know, Chris, having grown up in locker 185 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: rooms and been in locker rooms and played with all 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: kinds of players, how can sports actually be a united 187 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: force during this time? I don't think I'll ever forget 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: at the first time I drove my friends home from 189 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: a basketball practice. Uh, and I wish certainly weren't a 190 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: wealthy family by any means. My parents were teachers and 191 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: and so, but we had a nice house, nice middle 192 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: class house. Um. And it took a couple of my 193 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: friends home to their neighborhood which I had never been to, 194 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: and there were dirt roads and what probably could be 195 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: best described as shacks, um and it was stunning for me. 196 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: You know. I just remember going, Wow, this is where 197 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: you guys live and it was like yeah, And I 198 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: mean we had been sort of on the same teams 199 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: and best friends forever and and that was startling. And Uh, 200 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: there was the integration of schools that happened when my 201 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: dad was actually the principal at the time, and there 202 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: were fistfights every single day that were happening in our school. 203 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: And it was left to my dad to go to 204 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: the black church and then the redneck church. And he 205 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: used to always describe that he was way more afraid 206 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: at the redneck church because he was seeing as a trader. Um. 207 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: So I've I've been in a lot of discussions with 208 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: a lot of teammates with a lot of friends. Uh, 209 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, it carried through to college. It's certainly carried 210 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: through to the NFL. We watched it with Colin Kaepernick, 211 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: we watched They're just there's just so many things that 212 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: come into play with this whole thing. But it's tough. 213 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: I mean it's really tough to watch. It's it's tough 214 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: to watch time after time. You know, in the frustration 215 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: and the the idea that there was when you watched 216 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: what happened to George Floyd. There was no debate to 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: be had, right, I mean there was there was just 218 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 1: no debate. We saw it. We know what happened exactly. 219 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: When you talk about team and communicating, and that's being 220 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: able to speak but also being able to listen. I 221 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: think maybe Chris, that's one lesson um that as a 222 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: society we can take, is that there's times you need 223 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: to sit there and listen as well instead of just 224 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: speaking all the time. This is what it is, right, 225 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no denying. I don't think. I don't 226 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: think anybody is trying to make a case for what 227 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: we saw was was anything other than horrific. I think 228 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: that the more important case to be made is that 229 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: short of the video cameras UH and nuanced versions of 230 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: this that happened every day two people around the country 231 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: that you have to you have to be able to 232 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: understand that this one is a clear black and white issue, 233 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: but there are shades of gray that are happening every 234 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: single day that aren't on camera and that maybe don't 235 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: quite reach this level of perfection that we can all 236 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: agree on, I think. But you know, not only does 237 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: the obvious case like this have to change all along 238 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: the spectrum has to change, and that's the hope, you know, 239 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: that's all we have. So Chris obviously the guys who 240 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: can bring about change as we take like this weird 241 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: offseason with the pandemic, with the Riots and the things 242 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: that we've seen of late coaches and coaches being challenged 243 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: to really get their teams up and running for the 244 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: season without being around him and your experience, like it 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: was a little more old school in training camp. How 246 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: do you think coaches go about getting your teams ready 247 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: to play in the midst of the pandemic. I think 248 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough for the new guys. You know, 249 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: there's no question if you've got a new team, you're 250 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: a new head coach, you're a new offensive coordinator, you're 251 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, if you will. Uh, and you've got 252 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: to try and piece this thing together. Um, I think 253 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. Bucky, You've been around it as 254 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: much as I have, though, I mean, how many different 255 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: ways are there to run inside zone, outside zone, traps, 256 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: hours leads, right, I mean there's what eight running plays 257 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL? So okay, we we kind of have that. 258 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: Some of the core passing game is is sort of 259 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: the same. Um, but for somebody like Tom Brady going 260 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: into a new situation and whatever blending of that offense 261 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: there might be Uh, it's it's gonna be unique. And 262 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: and will the teams like the Kansas City Chiefs that 263 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: have basically stood pat for the most part, uh and 264 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: just pick up where they left off just have a 265 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: huge advantage to start this next season. And my guest 266 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: has to be yes, right, I mean, you've got to 267 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: think that once you've got your playbook, you've been working 268 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: inside that playbook with the same basic core players now 269 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: for uh, you know, for five or six years, that 270 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: that has to be an edge over a new coach 271 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: coming in or a new quarterback, you know, quarterbacks and 272 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: naturally the center of attention, and they will kind of 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: distract us because we have Pat Mahomes, we have Little Jackson, 274 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: two guys that have been back to back m vps 275 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: and only their second season. Chris what but what's behind 276 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks had a success right away and teams 277 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: being able to build up my next success by surrounding 278 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: him with good teams. Well, it takes a lot to 279 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: be Russell Wilson, right, to be Aaron Rodgers, to be 280 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, to be Drew Brees. Where you've been paid, right, 281 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: you got paid the thirty million, the thirty five million, 282 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: the forty billion, wherever we're going here. Uh, and now 283 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: really good players on your team had to be cut 284 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: because they had to pay you. And so now, okay, yeah, 285 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, you were fantastic when you were on that 286 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: rookie contract, and now can you keep that level of 287 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: play going once you get paid and some of those 288 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: players around you now have to be rookies and have 289 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: to be younger players and free agents and some of 290 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: the things that that he's had to see, there's not 291 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're they've never paid their offensive line Russell, 292 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: You're on your own, right, Let's go out there and 293 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: create and make some plays, and and and see how 294 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: it goes. So I think that that is the question 295 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: for the young quarterbacks, the Patrick Mahomes, the Lamar Jackson's, 296 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: can you still play at that level if in fact 297 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: the players around you are at a lesser level than 298 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: what you're used to playing. I don't think anybody who's 299 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: looking at Patrick Mahomes and going, this guy is gonna regress, right. 300 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, everything that he's done. He played one of 301 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: the one of the worst games I personally had seen 302 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: him play for three quarters in the Super Bowl and 303 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: still brought his team back to be World champions. So 304 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: those are some of the questions though, that are coming 305 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: up for these young quarterbacks. When you look at those 306 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks on those second contracts, Chris, I think about, you know, 307 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints with Drew Brees, even though he's 308 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: on that bigger money deal, They've done such a good 309 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: job in the draft that I still feel like you 310 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: could say that, if not the most talented, one of 311 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: the most talented rosters in the NFL. But I think 312 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: it goes to your point of if you've paid the 313 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: quarterback man. You just can afford fewer mistakes, especially when 314 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: it comes to the draft. Yeah, and and it's you know, 315 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: the whole New Orleans Saints thing. You look at them 316 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: and the one year they had the draft where they 317 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: got the four starters out of it, and you know, 318 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: and it just carries them for you know, four or 319 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: five years when you hit on one like that. So, yeah, 320 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: the draft is always going to be the key thing. 321 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: I've got two dogs in the house. Are welcome to 322 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: uh welcome to quarantine gear is we're waiting in the 323 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: uh grand baby number two. But uh, yeah, I think 324 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: absolutely that being able to pick out those players, and 325 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: for for people who have never done it, if you've 326 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: never actually tried to watch film, study the draft, study 327 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: the team needs, and take a look at which player 328 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: you would actually pick, and figure out how many times 329 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: you were wrong, I mean so wrong you can't imagine it. 330 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: It is. It is the most bizarre thing. I've been 331 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: doing it now for I don't know, for four or 332 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: five years since I've been affiliated with PFF and been 333 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: able to really watch the film and study it. But 334 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: if you're hit, you're pretty good, right, I mean, you 335 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: guys are experts and to feel what what's the percentage 336 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: that you feel good about Chris, I think I always 337 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: say this. I always say this to my buddies in 338 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: the league. I was like, look, when when we're with teams, 339 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: we had to be right seven to ten times right. 340 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: Only only guys they know that how you had them 341 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: greater the guys you select. And so when you're in 342 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: the media, you've got a great all these guys, you 343 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: get judged on all you know, two fifty five players 344 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: in terms of how you had them. Because we've both 345 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: been in draft rooms and Buck and tell you the 346 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: stories to where man that you know that's the smartest 347 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: pick in the world they took this guy would have 348 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: hit and where they don't know. If the guy that 349 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: got picked before us would have been there, we would 350 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: have taken him and he was a complete bust. So 351 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: we kind of lucked out with that guy falling into 352 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: our lap. But I think this is harder when you 353 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: got to try and get all of them, put your 354 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: resume on all these guys out there. Well, Patrick mahone 355 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: was what did he fall to number ten, number eleven 356 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: something like that in the draft. So everybody, every time 357 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: somebody tells me, oh yeah, I knew all along. I 358 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: knew that was the guy like you did. Not. If 359 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: you knew that was gonna be what we've seen so far, 360 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: you to trade it up to the number one pick 361 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: and traded every draft choice you had for the next 362 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: three years. So stop it. I don't even want to 363 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: hear it, you know, Chris, I want to lean back 364 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: on your experience as a quarterback, first in high school 365 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: innis at college, you a guy that can run around 366 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: and make plays with your legs, running options and stuff 367 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: like that. At Florida we have seen more of these 368 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: athletic quarterbacks really pop at the NFL level. What do 369 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: you think the differences in today's football where those guys 370 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: are not only um acceptable, but they're thriving in the 371 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: National Football League. I think they're getting a chance, and 372 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I think they're building offenses around their skill set. Uh. 373 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: And Lamar jackson skill set was so obvious playing at 374 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: Louisville that you knew somebody was going to give him 375 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: a chance. But in Baltimore they did way more than that. Um. 376 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: You know, they had Greg Roman as the offensive coordinator, 377 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: they had a plan, and I think probably the most 378 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: misunderstood thing about Lamar Jackson is that people think that 379 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: he's Russell Wilson kind of guy, that he's a Deshaun 380 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: Watson kind of guy who really is going to try 381 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: and create on his own and move around. I would say, 382 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: if you took um Lamar Jackson and and put him 383 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Seawan Watson, he's 384 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: probably the most part of a pocket passer of any 385 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: one of the of the four, right, I mean, I mean, 386 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: he really is. And yet they've created this one game 387 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: where the quarterback is the runner. So effectively, what it 388 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: does is it adds a blocker to the mix. I mean, 389 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: there's one more blocker at the point of attack than 390 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: there would be if the quarterback turned around in hand 391 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: the ball off. So um, the fear of of getting 392 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: that guy injured is obviously, you know, a tough thing. 393 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: But I also think that from a franchise's standpoint, and 394 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: there's only a handful of Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson's 395 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: out there, but there has to at least be a 396 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: thought right now of what's going on as far as 397 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: do we want to draft redraft a quarterback every five years. So, 398 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: in other words, if you take them in the first 399 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: round and you get them for five years and maybe 400 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: you you uh, you can develop an offense that works 401 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: around there. And the choices I've got to now pay 402 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: that guy forty or forty five million dollars or do 403 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: I want to go back into this pool of quarterbacks 404 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: that is college football where I can find guys like 405 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: that that maybe you aren't going to be drafted by 406 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: other teams. Is that now a formula first success in 407 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: the league. I think the money is becoming a really 408 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: interesting part of the quarterback position. And and and who 409 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: are we going to pay that thirty five to forty 410 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: million dollars? And we're already seeing it this year, right. 411 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: The whole Dak Prescott thing is how far are we 412 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: going to push that boundary in that gap and what 413 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: percentage of that payroll are we going to give to 414 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. I think it's a fascinating discussion because 415 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: you know that that's one way of looking at it, 416 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: and you look at the success of teams with quarterbacks 417 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: on rookie deals. But man, it is going to take 418 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: tremendous courage to allow somebody you know as successful at 419 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: the most important position to let him walk out of 420 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: the building. And then you think of teams like the 421 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins, who have been in in quarterback purgatory for 422 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: so long. I mean, you can go decades trying to 423 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: find that guy. Um, do you think we will see 424 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: the day will somebody who actually have the courage to 425 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: to to go through with that? Well? You know, I 426 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: almost thought that it might happen, um with with Baltimore, 427 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: And it has to some extent with r G three 428 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: and and all that that if you build, because you 429 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: can find those guys, right, I mean, you can find 430 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the mobile quarterbacks that maybe weren't great throwers. I started 431 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: laughing when Blake he was talking about my quarterback career, 432 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: because man, I could run life crazy, but I couldn't 433 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: throw it away. It was pretty bad, man, it was 434 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: pretty bad. But but we we're you're talking about the 435 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: possibility of if you had three quarterbacks, certainly too, but 436 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: if you had three quarterbacks that sort of fit that bill, right, 437 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: would you be quite as afraid to have one of 438 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: those guys get injured if you believed in the plan. 439 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: And Baltimore, what I loved about what Baltimore did was 440 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean they went all in. I mean, this isn't 441 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: even a top ten pick. This was the last pick 442 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: in the first round, if I remember correctly, and they 443 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: went all in on them, and they changed their offense. 444 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: They said, he throws it well enough, we're gonna get 445 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: some speed on the outside at the receiver position he 446 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: because he can run it the way that he runs it. 447 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna have more one on one throws, We're gonna 448 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: have more open receivers. Maybe he's not the greatest passer 449 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: in the world, but man, there's a whole bunch of 450 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: us out there. Not colins Worth, but there's a whole 451 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: bunch of us out there. They can hit that pass 452 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: because now he's got the one on one and he's 453 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: got two or three yards of separation. So I don't know, 454 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: I don't, but it's it's really interesting to me to see. 455 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: And now let's flip the money into it as well, 456 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: because let's face it, those players aren't drafted as highly 457 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: as the pure pastors are at the at the top 458 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: end of the first round. It's funny that you bring 459 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: up that, Chris, because you talked about the Baltimore Ravens 460 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: going all in. Because when you look at their top 461 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks, Jackson r G three and Trace McSorley. They 462 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: all have that ability. So it does kind of lead 463 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: you to think about the collegiate model where you just 464 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of cycling those guys in every four or five 465 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: years and approximating value at PFF you guys kind of 466 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: find value and players like that. So when you talk 467 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: about that, do you believe that really could be a trend? 468 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: Because the conversation is really fascinating to me. Jalen Hurts 469 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: this year, right, you know the same sort of thing, 470 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going all right, I traditionally may 471 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: not have done that right. If I'm looking for Tom Brady, 472 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: I may not have been ready to go there. Uh. 473 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: And Lamar Jackson I want to put in a little 474 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: different category because at Louisville he was very much a 475 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: pocket pastor. You could say what you want about whatever 476 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: is throwing the ball, but I think he's proven that 477 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: he can throw it well enough obviously to be m 478 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: p P of we. It's a dumbest statement ever, um, 479 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: but but I I think that the question then becomes 480 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: if the if the throwing skills are are off just 481 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, so we dug pretty deeply into into 482 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: Jalen and you go, you know, as far as accuracy 483 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: is concerned, he's one of the top two or three 484 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: most accurate quarterbacks coming out of college football. So now, 485 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: and we could do the whole arm strength accuracy debate 486 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: until we're all blue in the face, right, But I 487 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: think that accuracy and that sort of run skill that 488 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: he brought to the table, and the freaking body building 489 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: thing that this guy was since high school. I mean, 490 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: he's like a tailback, fullback quarterback. I mean, he's a 491 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: really unique guy. And so when Philadelphia ended up drafting him, 492 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: I go, I wonder what that means on the goal line, 493 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what that means on short yardage 494 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: because Doug Peterson is one of those guys that you know, 495 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: like in Baltimore, He's going for it on fourth down, right, 496 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: He's gonna try and score the touchdowns. Um. So it's 497 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: it just gets more and more intriguing as the quarterback 498 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: position opens up. We talked a lot about, you know, 499 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: the allocation of resources with the money at the quarterback position. 500 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: But this is in a big offseason for teams, you know, 501 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: face with big decisions and making big decisions on non quarterbacks. 502 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: We saw the money that Christian McCaffrey got paid. Um. 503 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: We know obviously PFF has been at the forefront of 504 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: this in terms of the value or lack thereof, at 505 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: the running back position. But when you look at guys 506 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: like Christian McCaffrey, then you look at somebody like George Kittle. Um, 507 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: are we to the point now? We talk about position 508 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: list players a lot Chris on the show. When you 509 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: look at guys like that who can do so many 510 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: different things, um, in terms of paying them, it becomes 511 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: difficult because you don't just put them in the tight 512 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: end box or the running back box. Just becomes a 513 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: little more challenging. Yeah, George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, uh, Rob Gronkowski. 514 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: I can make an argument you can't win a Super 515 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: Bowl unless you got a tight end, now, right, I mean, 516 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean those guys that have that sort of multiple 517 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: skill set. Uh, It's it's really intriguing to me. And 518 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: and now one of the things that we're our guys 519 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: are studying right now is a little bit of the Okay, 520 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: we know, running bags that can flit out and play 521 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: receiver have an impact on the defense and how they're 522 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: going to deploy the defense. But what if you do 523 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: the whole Montgomery thing in Green Bay where you say, 524 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: all right, forget that, I'm gonna take the Deebo Samuels 525 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: of the world, and I'm gonna put him in the backfield. 526 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go five wide, but debo on occasion when 527 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: they come in with their quarter defense, I'm gonna put 528 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: him back there and let him run the football the 529 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: way he did in the Super Bowl on those reverses. 530 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: This guy is a tank coming around there. And some 531 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: of those bigger wide receivers that are hard to tackle 532 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: are now becoming very much in vogue. And when you 533 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: get right down to it, how much different is he 534 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: than Travis Kelsey? Right? Travis Kelsey is a great blocker, 535 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: uh in space, and they build a lot of their 536 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: offense around his ability to stay on strong safeties and 537 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: cornerbacks in space and be able to make those kinds 538 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: of place. So, I mean, again, you can't think of 539 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight football and and apply it to the 540 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: NFL today. I mean, this is just changing all the time, 541 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: And so I don't know how you guys all, I mean, 542 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: you do all their work and scouting and draft and 543 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: all that, But you find yourself chasing your tail a 544 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: little bit because at some point you have to decide 545 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: what are we right? Are we gonna be in Tom 546 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: Brady kind of team? Are we gonna be a Lamar 547 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: Jackson kind of team? Are we gonna be a Russell 548 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Wilson kind of team? Um? And and it's it's not 549 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: easy to figure that out. Plus then you gotta find 550 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, Dak Prescott perhaps the strongest argument 551 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: that he has, and I know he had the little 552 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: off field thing having a party during COVID nineteen whatever 553 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: that whole thing was. But you got to have a 554 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: personality that can lead the Dallas Cowboys. You have to 555 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: have somebody you can prop up in front of the 556 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: media day after day. You have to somebody that represents 557 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: America's team and could also do all this other stuff. 558 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: So you just can't put some you know, wallflower of 559 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: a guy in there to run the Dallas Cowboys offense. 560 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, it is this blending of of all 561 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: this stuff that comes in and you go, oh boy, 562 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: this year, I'm gonna copy the New England Patriots. Then 563 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna copy the Baltimore Ravens. Then I'm gonna copy 564 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. But they're all completely different teams. 565 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: You can't. None of it works for everybody. That's what 566 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,239 Speaker 1: makes it so much fun to follow. You know. It's 567 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: funny because you bring up a fascinating thing. DJ and 568 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: I have talked about the positionless ball, uh this discussion, 569 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: We've talked about athletic quarterbacks, and it's more and more 570 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: apparent that Sunday Football is beginning to look like Saturday 571 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: Football meeting. The NFL is kind of morphing into the 572 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: college game. So when you're doing your work at PFF 573 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: and even preparing for your thing at Sunday night, how 574 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: much of the college game is blending into the NFL. Well, 575 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: I think it all really kind of started with maybe 576 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: the wildcat, the r p O stuff, the running quarterbacks. Um, 577 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how many of these guys Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, 578 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I mean, they're all doing kind of that 579 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: RPO ish looking thing. But they're just handing the ball off, right, 580 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: That's all they're doing. They're just they're just handing it 581 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: off until it's fourth down in two in the fourth quarter. 582 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: In the games on the line. And if you watch 583 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs tape in the Super Bowl, how 584 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: many times did a new wiggle on an option look 585 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: come into play? You know, I was I was watching 586 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Andy Reid and what looked like it was going to 587 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: be a read option kind of a kind of a look. Instead, 588 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: the running back took one step in, Mahomes faked the 589 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: ball to him. The defensive end who now had responsibility, 590 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: who usually was crashing in on the running back because 591 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: Mahomes wasn't actling it. Now that running back took a 592 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: step and flared wide and he froze. Mahomes took a 593 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: step towards him and made a pitch. He made so 594 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: many plays on option kind of looks on fourth down 595 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: or on the big moment, plays where you then are 596 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: willing to say, all right, I'm gonna put my running 597 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: quarterback skills in play, but only in those moments in 598 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: the game. So now the forty Niners defensively, they have 599 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: an entire game plan because he's just gonna hand this 600 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: ball off. He's not really gonna keep it. We're gonna 601 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: go crash the running back. But when the game was 602 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: on the line, Patrick Mahomes is in play off that option, 603 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's the right way to play it. 604 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: I really do, even if you're Tom Brady. I think 605 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: that occasionally when everything matters, I mean, heck, Joe Montana 606 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: did a bootleg. I mean Joe Namath did a bootleg 607 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: for a touchdown right and on his bad knees at 608 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: one time. So I think in the key moments there's 609 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: still that magic to be had. All right, Then the 610 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: last question that you've very generous with your time, and 611 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: we thank you so much, Chris. I want to go 612 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: back we started talking about you at Florida. You've got 613 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: to have a Spurrier story. Having spent time with Spurring 614 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: was the position coach at that time when you were 615 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: there coming off of being Heisman winner and all that, Yeah, 616 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: he was. He was actually my offensive coordinator. How about 617 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: this for offensive coordinators at Florida, I had Steve Spurrier 618 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: for a while and I had Mike Shanahan for a while. 619 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: Now those are the coordinators. Mike Shanahan was twenty six 620 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: years old. After the games, if we ever won, which 621 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: we didn't win that much, but if we did, we 622 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: would go out and uh we would go to the bars. 623 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: At night and Shanahan would get carted and the rest 624 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: of us would just walk on in. So I gave 625 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: you it gives you some idea of where we were. 626 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: But Spurrier was the greatest hustler of all time, probably 627 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: my favorite one that had got me on. He said, 628 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: he goes, I'll bet you I can drop kick a 629 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: field goal from one foot from this goal post. And 630 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I was like what, And he said, he took his 631 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: foot and he measured out one foot one step away 632 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: from the goal post, and he said, I can drop 633 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: kick a field goal from here. And I was like whatever. 634 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: I said, you can't have anything in my wallet, man, 635 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: I only had twenty bucks at the time. I said, 636 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm in. I'm totally in. And and he said, 637 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: he goes, all right, So they handle a ball and 638 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: this sucker drop kicked one. Honestly, if I do this 639 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: from here, it went straight up and straight down over 640 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: the top for a few or goal and he did 641 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: it about ten times in a row. I don't know 642 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: how many poor college kids like me he took their 643 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty bucks off of, but it was it was unbelievable. 644 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: He had one guy, he met, one guy that one 645 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: of our tight ends. A guy named Billy Bell that 646 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: he could that he couldn't catch a ball off the 647 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: jugs machine at at full speed, and so we're all 648 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: nout because you know what do we do? The jugs 649 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: gun on top end around fifty miles an hour or 650 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: something like that, so you can imagine this thing at 651 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: a hundred miles an hour on this thing, and it's 652 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: like ten yards away. So Billy Bell goes in, gets 653 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: his helmet, gets his shoulder pads on, puts his mouthpiece 654 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: in his mouth, and it's game on. There's more action 655 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: going on on this thing than anything I've ever seen. 656 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: So spurners over there and he's got the jugs gun 657 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: and he's getting ready to shoot this thing in there, 658 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: and Billy Bell is sitting there about two hundred and 659 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: forty pounds. He's ready to take the sucker on. This 660 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: ball hit Billy Bell and knocked him back into the 661 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: netting underneath the gold I've never seen a guy and 662 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: get blown up like this in my entire life. But 663 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: if you ever get around Steve Spurrier on the golf course, 664 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: on the football field and he wants to make a bet, 665 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: just hand him your twenty bucks and walk away because 666 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: it's over. Hey, Chris, this has been so much fun. Man. 667 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: I know we kept you a little long, but we 668 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: don't we want then. It was so much fun. Thank 669 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: you for your time. I love your Guys show. Thanks 670 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: for all you do and I watch you all the time. 671 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: So thanks. All right, Buck, There's a lot to unpack there, 672 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: but just your your your biggest takeaways there from our 673 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: conversations with Chris Collinsworth, one I would say Chris Collinsworth 674 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: is so insightful, Like I mean, he's an encyclopedia of knowledge, 675 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,479 Speaker 1: not only a football but of outside things but football terms. 676 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: I look, I have to have the conversation about what 677 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: he kind of talked about with the quarterbacks and the 678 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: athletic quarterbacks and young quarterbacks, and could we get to 679 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: a point where guys are cycling quarterbacks in and out, 680 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a college team where you see guys 681 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: come in five years later, four or five years later, 682 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: they graduate, you bring in the next quarterback. When you're 683 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: trying to approximate value and trying to figure out the 684 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: way to build a sustainable model. Because of the amount 685 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: of money that goes to the quarterbacks, I do wonder 686 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: if someone at the forefront of the movement can't say, Hey, 687 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna treat the quarterback position like every other position. 688 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: We know we're going to have to cycle them out, 689 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: and we're okay with the incoming, the criticism and all 690 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: the other stuff that's coming our way by just moving 691 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: on from quarterbacks instead of kind of hitching our wagon 692 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: to gas for ten fifteen years of the position. All right, 693 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use an old school story here. Um, when 694 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: I was a kid, we would go on vacation and 695 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: we had a what they're called like a like one 696 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: of those big vans, like a converter van or whatever, 697 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: and we had it. We had a TV that was 698 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: about eight inches big buck that was in this van, 699 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: and it had a VHS recorder. So we would go 700 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: on vacations. We had four kids, and so we would drive, 701 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: like we drove to Niagara Falls from San Diego. We 702 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: drove all over the country, drove to Indiana one year. 703 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: But those are our vacations were kind of these driving vacations. 704 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: In this van, we had the VHS player and used 705 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: to you know, record movies off of TV, remember those days. 706 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: Put the VHS in there, click record when the TV 707 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: movie came on, you try and pause it during the 708 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: commercials so you wouldn't have to fast forward them, uh 709 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: once you record. But we would decide when you go 710 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: on these trips, like what movies are you gonna bring 711 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: with you? You know, like Rocky four was kind of 712 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: my was my favorite movie during that time. So we're 713 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna bring so many movies. And I think about this 714 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: quarterback situation. This is a movie you've got, a quarterback 715 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: has been successful. This is a movie you know and love, 716 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: and like, right, you've seen it before, you're comfortable with it. Now. 717 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel great about taking a movie with me 718 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: on this trip that I have never seen before. That's 719 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: what makes me nervous. Now. The way you can get 720 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: around that if you show me the preview, Like, Okay, 721 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the whole movie, but I've seen the 722 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: preview and it looks pretty good. I'm gonna take it 723 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: with me. I think it's gonna take and you it 724 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: was your idea, you said this on the TV show 725 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: the other day. I think it's gonna take, uh for 726 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: a starter to miss a little chunk of time, and 727 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: maybe you get to see this other player for four games. 728 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: But there's enough to get you excited in there in 729 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: that four games. You know what, this guy can run 730 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: our offense and will be okay instead of investing thirty 731 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: five million and resigning this quarterback. We've seen enough of 732 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: this other quarterback that we're comfortable with it. But man, 733 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: you better at least have a preview of that movie 734 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: or I'm not putting that thing in the band. You know. 735 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: I think it's something like this, and I'm gonna I'm 736 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna say the name of the coach, but I don't 737 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: believe it is true. In the situation. With his quarterback, 738 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: Andy Re's history of taking any and every quarterback and 739 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: having success. Of all the coaches in the National Football League, 740 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: I believe he could execute this kind of collegiate model 741 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: of a quarterback. Comes in four or five years later, 742 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: quarterback goes out, bring me the next quarterback, and I 743 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: could get them running. Obviously, when you're dealing with Pat Mahomes, 744 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: you don't want to operate like that. But someone who 745 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: is a proven quarterback guru, a guy who was a whisperer, 746 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: who has a long, extensive resume of building and developing quarterbacks, 747 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: I think you certainly can't be able to do that. 748 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: I believe that Cayle Shanahan could do it, given his 749 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: success with Kirk Cousins, seeing what he was able to 750 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: do with Matt Ryan, seeing how he's done it with 751 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and Nick Bollins. I think he could operate 752 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: in a system where let's say that you don't necessarily 753 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: draft him in the first round, but in the second round. 754 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: So let's say the first round guys are your five 755 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: star talents. I think Shanahan could take four stars guys 756 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: drafted in the second and third round, developed them enough 757 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: where they can start and be successful, and then go 758 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: back and get another four star player and do it 759 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: all over again. And I was gonna lose the letter analogy. 760 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: It's just basically, I don't know if you can win 761 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with a C quarterback. I also don't 762 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: think you necessarily have to have an A plus quarterback 763 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl. So if you could, if 764 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: you can recycle B, B plus quarterbacks, then I think 765 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: you could have a formula could work. I just don't. 766 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: You can't have that much of a drop off and 767 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: be successful. And that's why Andy Reid, even though he's 768 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: been able to make Kevin Cobbs and a j Phieleys 769 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: of the world money. Um, he's not gonna move on 770 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: from Patrick Mahomes. He knows he's got a unicorn here. 771 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: This is kind of a once in a generation guy. 772 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: Those guys are A plus guys. You don't move off 773 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: to A plus guys. Yeah, but I think I think 774 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: the way that you categorize it is perfect. Is one 775 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: of those things where you talking about in Moneyball, where 776 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: Moneyball they were able to kind of approximate value and 777 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: guys that uh could write, could could walk or get 778 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: on steal bases or whatever. That is the quarterback position. 779 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Being able to have a clear eye for the B 780 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: B plus talent quarterbacks. Uh Andy Dalton was the second 781 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: round pick. Russell Wilson was a third round pick. Guys 782 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: that can easily outplay their draft status, but you get 783 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: them in the right wheelhouse. Dak Prescott would be a 784 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: perfect experiment when you think about B B plus quarterbacks, 785 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: you get them, you squeeze out all of the juice 786 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: that you can out of him, and then you let 787 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: them walk and you find another one that can do 788 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: the same things. It would take someone that is bold 789 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: and courageous but it would be interesting to see how 790 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: that we're working the team building process because it would 791 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: afford you the opportunity to build up the supporting cast 792 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: around them. You always would be able to have an 793 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: A plus supporting cast to elevate a B B plus quarterback. Yeah, 794 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: it's so true. Again, somebody's going to do it at 795 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: some point time. We're gonna see somebody be bold and 796 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: make that decision. It's gonna have to be somebody has 797 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: tremendous job security um to take that type of risk, 798 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: but it is going to happen. One of the other 799 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: parts of that interview which was powerful was was Chris 800 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: collins Worth talking about where we are as a country, 801 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: you know, discussing the murder of George Floyd and the 802 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: reaction that we've seen from that, and telling stories of 803 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: his childhood growing up in the sixties and and what 804 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: he saw with his dad as a principal. I thought 805 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: it was really powerful words there from Chris Collinsworth. And 806 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: we also had a chance to talk with Oklahoma head 807 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: coach Lincoln Riley about how do you approach your team 808 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: um and what's the message to those guys and and 809 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: here was his response, We'll very excited to have Oklahoma 810 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: head coach Lincoln Riley joining us now and coach, I 811 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: guess first question for you, Uh, during the very uncertain 812 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: times that we find ourselves in right now, have you 813 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: had a chance to communicate it all with your team 814 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: about what's going on in the world. Thanks for having me. Uh, 815 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: we certainly have. It's it's like you said, it's uh, 816 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: it's certainly interesting times for right now. So much going 817 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: on in the world with the pandemic and then all 818 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: that's going on in our country right now. It's uh yeah, 819 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: it's a topic that's very near and dear to all 820 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: of us, and uh so we have we've we've been 821 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: able to communicate with our players both on uh first 822 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: and foremost making sure they're okay, uh second, having great 823 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: productive discussions about all that's going on in the world, 824 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: and how we can you know, one be a great example, 825 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 1: uh to you know, use our platform to peacefully and 826 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: tastefully well thought out um manner to to express you know, 827 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: our thoughts and beliefs individually and both as a program. 828 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: And I think it's an important time for that and 829 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: so certainly not something that we take lightly. You know, 830 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: Coaches that's a unique time when you're a young Hay 831 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: coach and you're trying to figure out how do I 832 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: handle the messaging to the team. Are they mentors and 833 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: people that you can lean on to kind of bounce 834 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: ideas off of. Yeah, absolutely, you know some of the 835 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 1: great ones that I've been able to work with. You know, 836 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops was kind of the ultimate that that situations 837 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: like this, I felt like I've always had a great 838 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: pulse of the team and and the right way to 839 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: navigate through difficult times. And then you know Ruff and 840 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,479 Speaker 1: McNeil um, you know, has always been been a great 841 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: friend and somebody that I've leaned on. Another guy that 842 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: handled kind of any tough time so so well through 843 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: the years and had such a great bond with his players, 844 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: and so that I've had I've had several, but those 845 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: two in particular, So Buck, It's it's challenging, right if 846 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: you're in a leadership position like Lincoln Riley, like all 847 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: these college head coaches, You've got to find a way 848 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: to be encouraging to your team, to listen to your team, 849 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: um to deliver the right words. And he also talked 850 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: in this in this conversation about having mentors that have 851 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: helped guide him through this period of time, which is 852 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: very important. Yeah, the mentorship pieces is important not only 853 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: from UH player to coach, a coach the player, but 854 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: also coach to coach. He talked about two guys that 855 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: really impacted him, Bob Stoops and Ruff and McNeil, And 856 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: I'll talk about rough and McNeil because Ruff and McNeil 857 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: was a longtime coach at East Carolina. Loved East Carolina. 858 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: Actually gave Lincoln Riley an opportunity to be be the office 859 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 1: quarter very early in his career at East Carolina. Rough 860 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: and joined eventually joined Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma and kind 861 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: of played in that role until he stepped away to 862 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: take care of an alien family member. To be able 863 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: to have someone that you can lean on, that you 864 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: can have these hard conversations with that you can kind 865 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: of rely on their opinion to help you have perspective, 866 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: I think it matters. And I'm gonna say this. I 867 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: love what Lincoln Riley is standing for and what he's 868 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: been about ever since the pandemic has started. He's been 869 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: one of the few coaches to talk about. Now, I 870 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: want to make sure I do right by the players. 871 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: We'll get the football part of it figured out, Like 872 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: we can figure that part of it out, but I 873 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: want to make sure that my young people are healthy, 874 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: they're safe, they're secure, they're able to really go about 875 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: it the best possible way. And I like that because 876 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: his actions also match his words. There are a lot 877 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: of coaches out there giving lip service, but their actions 878 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: aren't matching up. Lincoln Riley's actions are certainly matching up 879 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: with the words that he's been putting out there. I 880 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: also like in regards to the pandemic and his plans 881 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: there him saying, look, I'm not rushing these guys back here. 882 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: You know, he he knows the amount of time you 883 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: need to get ready for a season, and trust me, 884 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 1: it's a lot less than a lot of these paranoid 885 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: college coaches believe. They feel like you've got to have 886 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: this long run up to be able to get ready 887 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 1: to play a season. No, we don't. We'll be fine. 888 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, we'll get a few weeks there, a training camp, 889 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: and then we'll be off and running here and they'll 890 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: be ready to go. And keeping the main thing, the 891 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: main thing, which is the safety of your players. And 892 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: I thought that was a good message there from Lincoln Riley. Yeah, 893 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a great message, and you're right, DJ, 894 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: we've made it far more complicated in the needs to 895 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: be in terms of being able to get a team ready. Uh, 896 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: most coaches have said six eight weeks, a month of training, 897 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: a month of football specific stuff like you could probably 898 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: get it done. And Lincoln Riley's system remember this, it 899 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: is a pretty simple and clear system for the quarterback. 900 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: When you kind of live in the simple world. It 901 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: makes it easy for your guys to get ready. And 902 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: because he's been there for a while, guys understand that 903 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 1: guys kind of at least have a surface level knowledge 904 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: of what he wants to get done offensively and defensively. 905 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: I think the Oklahoma as soon as to be fine. Also, 906 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: he has to get a lot of talented players too, 907 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, all right, back, Well this is uh, 908 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: this is at for citything else you want to add 909 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: before we wrap this thing up? No, no, make sure 910 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: you tune into the mood the Sticks show on TV. 911 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna be on Thursday, six pm Eastern Saturday six 912 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: am Eastern Network is going to air stuff. Make sure 913 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: you tune in. Yeah, that's six am again, let us 914 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: know if you're up for that six am Eastern time. 915 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: I want to uh, I want to hear about that 916 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: one at nine am Eastern. Actually not six am. I 917 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: was gonna say, Mark, just want to send there that 918 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: it's nine am, six am. I was like, dangna get 919 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: up at three o'clock in the morning to watch this thing. No, 920 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: nine am Eastern. So we're good there. But again, appreciate 921 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: you guys listening and subscribing. Again. Just encourage everybody out there, 922 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: be safe, be encouraging, treat each other well, love one 923 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: another and uh and we're gonna get the better days 924 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: ahead here for for all of us. So it's great 925 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: to see a buck. Uh. And we'll be back again 926 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 1: together next week. All right, that's gonna do it. We'll 927 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: see you next time right here on. Move the sticks.