Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to coopby bul Died Cool Stuff twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five edition. And by that, I mean it's the
Speaker 2: start of the year, and so we're gonna do a
Speaker 2: question to answer episode like we've done at the start
Speaker 2: of I think every year. I'm Marder Kiljoy and I
Speaker 2: don't know why my voice just cracked. And my producer
Speaker 2: is Sophie Hi.
Speaker 1: Sophie Hi, MiG Pie. I don't know why your voice
Speaker 1: cracked either.
Speaker 2: It cracked earlier today and I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: I'm finally going through anyway. Uh, that's making real personal
Speaker 2: jokes on air. That's a normal thing. But our audio
Speaker 2: engineer is Rory Hi.
Speaker 1: Rory Hi, Roy.
Speaker 2: Our theme musical is written for us by unwoman, and
Speaker 2: our guest today is nobody.
Speaker 1: Ah Hey, Magfie. Yeah, do you want to answer some questions?
Speaker 2: Do I ever want to answer some questions?
Speaker 1: Well, we posted on Instagram and Blue Sky asking for you,
Speaker 1: dear listeners, to submit your questions, and by golly, you did,
Speaker 1: so we're going to start with the Instagram questions today.
Speaker 2: You ready, I was born ready?
Speaker 1: I know this about you, Magpie. What story or person's
Speaker 1: story do you find yourself returning to when you are
Speaker 1: in need of hope or inspiration for these trying times.
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, I can't remember his name. I just remembered it,
Speaker 2: Willem Arundeus. On the Gay Resistance to Fascism episode we
Speaker 2: did right out of the Gate, there's a man who
Speaker 2: he helped burn a bunch of Nazi records and the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: and he was part of this art click that did
Speaker 2: forgery that saved tens of thousands of people's lives and
Speaker 2: then also destroyed the records that they were using to
Speaker 2: track people. And he was caught and before he was executed,
Speaker 2: he got his last words out through his lawyer, and
Speaker 2: his lawyer told the world that his last words were
Speaker 2: never let them say that homosexuals or cowards or something
Speaker 2: to that effect. And just like all of the people
Speaker 2: that they think are timid are not timid. That's what
Speaker 2: That's what I keep coming back to. What about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think about the Jine collective a lot,
Speaker 1: and yeah, food not bombs a lot, just because we
Speaker 1: get a lot of messages about that. Do you want
Speaker 1: to tell people a little bit about those messages?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah. One of the things that I actually sent
Speaker 2: on on New Year's I sent this out three in
Speaker 2: the morning, message out to everyone who helps work on
Speaker 2: this show, because there's a whole bunch of people who
Speaker 2: help who work on this show, and I'm just incredibly
Speaker 2: grateful to them. And I know that everyone's supposed to
Speaker 2: say that, but it's like, but the reason I was
Speaker 2: expressing this gratitude to everyone is that I've got a
Speaker 2: bunch of messages from different Food Not Bombs chapters around
Speaker 2: the country that have basically been like, hey, our numbers
Speaker 2: have dramatically increased after you do an episode about food
Speaker 2: out Bombs or you know, people on cool Zone Media
Speaker 2: talk about how I look at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with given out food, you know. And
Speaker 2: I met someone once who was like had been looking
Speaker 2: for their place in life and was like, now I'm
Speaker 2: just a cook. I just make soup all the time
Speaker 2: and I love it and it's their thing, you know,
Speaker 2: And that was like, I don't know, podcast seems like
Speaker 2: a weirdly lonely endeavor, even though we obviously have these
Speaker 2: zoom calls, right, but like, I just spend dozens of
Speaker 2: hours every week at least reading books and writing by myself.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a very uh like it's an introverted
Speaker 1: career where you have to be extroverted on Mike for
Speaker 1: like part of the week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a social sprinter, is the way I've always
Speaker 2: put it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are.
Speaker 2: One time, my whole family is like super hard introverts,
Speaker 2: and I was talking about being an introvert and my
Speaker 2: family laughed because I'm the most outgoing person in my
Speaker 2: media family. Yeah, but you will hold me up against
Speaker 2: most of my friends and people are like no, I
Speaker 2: mean literally all you do is hide in your house,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, I have the same thing in
Speaker 1: my family where I'm like no, no, no, I just
Speaker 1: it's just not that way, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My Margaret's ability to maintain optimism in dark times always
Speaker 1: helps me. Oh, is there anything either of you are
Speaker 1: looking forward to in the next year. That's a nice,
Speaker 1: nice thing.
Speaker 2: I am. I learned a long time ago that my
Speaker 2: emotional state is really directly tied into how the things
Speaker 2: I'm making are going, which is not for the best.
Speaker 2: I don't recommend this particular style of being to anyone,
Speaker 2: but projects that I'm working on, whether they're political, organizing,
Speaker 2: which I don't do as much of these days, or
Speaker 2: if they're like you know, podcasts or books or whatever,
Speaker 2: how those are going really directly affects my mood. And
Speaker 2: so even as things are going really badly in the
Speaker 2: world or and you know, directly materially in my life
Speaker 2: or you know, legalistically for trans people or whatever, I
Speaker 2: can kind of always come back to, like, how's what
Speaker 2: I'm writing going, you know. And so there's that, and
Speaker 2: then there's also just the fact that, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: the whole idea of the show, right when I first said,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, cool people did cool stuff, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's first, I have to spend
Speaker 2: a long time describing all the bad things, you know,
Speaker 2: because that's where like the cool people come from, is
Speaker 2: in opposition to the bad. So I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: the flowerings of resistance. Yeah, that were I mean, I
Speaker 2: would rather not, right, I'd rather just be looking forward
Speaker 2: to like making art. And I would be perfectly happy
Speaker 2: if all I did was like carve wooden boxes or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know. But you know, we work with what we got,
Speaker 2: and we got rough times coming, and so therefore we
Speaker 2: can find beauty in how people respond to and deal
Speaker 2: with thought. How about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm honestly just looking forward to being
Speaker 1: home and seeing my friends at my home. I want
Speaker 1: to sit still for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I did not sit still in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four and that was hard. Yeah, but I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to I've got several different friends that I'll be
Speaker 1: coming into my area early next year, and I'm very
Speaker 1: happy about that.
Speaker 2: Oh, importing friends is the best.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And if you're listening and you
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about you, Hi, let's see. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is a cool question. Who are your top picks for
Speaker 1: their stories going full bio pic in the cinema?
Speaker 2: Oh. I feel like half of the episodes we do
Speaker 2: are things that absolutely would be that and then just
Speaker 2: aren't because they're, yeah, you know, the wrong kind of
Speaker 2: political or of a person or something. Uh. I would
Speaker 2: watch the story of Scharlam Swartzbard's life, who was the
Speaker 2: Ukrainian anarchist Jew who assassinated the man who did all
Speaker 2: the pogroms against his own family, just like gunned him
Speaker 2: down in the streets of France, and then the cops
Speaker 2: came and were like, did you just kill that man?
Speaker 2: And he's like I did. And then there's versions of
Speaker 2: the story where he points the gun at the body
Speaker 2: and pulls the trigger just yeah, the gun's empty, but
Speaker 2: he's just like yeah, and I would shoot him again
Speaker 2: if you weren't already dead. And then he was found
Speaker 2: innocent in a court of law because the pop Wow,
Speaker 2: this doesn't feel timely, because enough people were like, you
Speaker 2: know what, that killing seems perfectly justified, and so they
Speaker 2: basically did jury nullification. Yeah, in the early twentieth century France.
Speaker 2: For someone whose family survived some some awful stuff, I
Speaker 2: would watch a movie about him. The problem is is
Speaker 2: that whenever people ask these questions about it specific episode,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't remember any episodes. I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about my own podcast.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I wonder if there is one about that pirate queen
Speaker 2: of Ireland. Probably his name I now don't remember, but
Speaker 2: I would watch that.
Speaker 1: Personally, I'd love to see a City of Gnomes movie
Speaker 1: about those people that like rebuilt, like like Amsterdam, right,
Speaker 1: I remember it's.
Speaker 2: Correctly, Yeah, the caboalter, so the cabouter, the.
Speaker 1: Provost, the provosts, and then and then the cabouters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that would be cool.
Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun. And then there's
Speaker 1: another I'm trying to remember the other one that I
Speaker 1: was like, who was this? Oh mm hmmm mmm mmm, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'd love a freedom House movie. Freedom House would be
Speaker 1: a really cool movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm I'm like surprised there isn't one, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, also just like a built an amazing title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many of these stories as we like
Speaker 2: learn about them, are just like, how do we not
Speaker 2: all know that? How did we not know that the
Speaker 2: first paramedics were blackman from Pittsburgh? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Pittsburgh of it all is like
Speaker 1: a really good for a movie set. I feel yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be really fun. Macpey, who's
Speaker 1: your favorite person that you've covered?
Speaker 2: Oh? I love all of my children equally and also
Speaker 2: don't remember any of their names.
Speaker 1: But what I was about to say, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you don't you remember who they are?
Speaker 1: I never podcast all the little details go bye bye.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, let's see. I have never done a
Speaker 2: Mala Testa episode, but he's woven through so many stories.
Speaker 2: I think I'm afraid to do an episode about him
Speaker 2: because what if it turns out he's a jerk?
Speaker 1: You know? Is there an Emma Goldman movie?
Speaker 2: Emma Goldman is in the movie Reds that I haven't
Speaker 2: seen in a million.
Speaker 1: Year, but it's not good. But like there isn't like a.
Speaker 2: Direct No, oh, there isn't Ema Goldman movie.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was thinking about how because anarchism is a
Speaker 2: raced out of every bit of history. Like I was
Speaker 2: just reading about this thing that I'm gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about soon, so I don't want to spoil it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like reading about this thing where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: and then these anti fascists from Spain did all of
Speaker 2: this amazing work with their anti authoritarian ideas about how
Speaker 2: to do the following, And I'm like, nowhere in this
Speaker 2: like five thousand word article as I say anarchists, And
Speaker 2: I was like, this is why people can't track spread
Speaker 2: of this ideology, is that these people who like fought
Speaker 2: and died for this. Just so Emma Goldman is like,
Speaker 2: I mean, she's even vaguely famous. I think the average
Speaker 2: I don't know, the average American probably doesn't know Goldman is, but.
Speaker 1: She's like, time I visit my Midwest family, I'll do
Speaker 1: a poll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I feel like you get an
Speaker 2: older American and they'll know who Saquin Vinzetti are, but
Speaker 2: they're not like, yeah, they're fine, but they're not like
Speaker 2: the heroes. They're not Emma gold Yeah. Anyway, Wow, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Really enjoyed this year. You tell you. I think this
Speaker 1: was back in like March. Yeah, marchish you telling us
Speaker 1: the real story of Oscar Wilde because I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know Oscar Wilde. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's actually like legit vital information. Okay, that's who I like.
Speaker 1: I don't want someone else to make a biopic about
Speaker 1: Oscar World. I want to make a biopic about Oscar Wilde.
Speaker 1: I want you to make a biopic of Oscar World.
Speaker 2: Also, I think I will be in a better position
Speaker 2: to understand weirdo artist anarchist Catholics than the average person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go to our first side break, hooray.
Speaker 1: I think this year we have to come up with
Speaker 1: something as good as potatoes. Okay, which is hard because
Speaker 1: that's as good as potatoes.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we tried the medieval weapons thing for
Speaker 2: a while, but it didn't stick.
Speaker 1: No, I think it should be another food.
Speaker 2: Okay, but like, what's more pasta pasta? Because the Nazis
Speaker 2: hated it. It's true and there's a lot of types.
Speaker 2: That's true. We're dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Oh that's better.
Speaker 2: I like that. Okay, speaking of.
Speaker 1: Dinosaurs, what are the next questions? Is? What are your
Speaker 1: favorite dinosaurs? That's a question for you, but it's not
Speaker 1: a question for me because I don't have a favorite dinosaur.
Speaker 1: I love all dinosaurs equally because I don't know their names.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's what you when when you don't
Speaker 2: know the name of something, you're like, I like all
Speaker 2: of them?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? I said, nope, I take it back.
Speaker 1: What's the one the one with the two big heads?
Speaker 1: Do little arms? Too big a body?
Speaker 2: T rex?
Speaker 1: T RECs? That? I love any animal with two little arms,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah. Animal? Do we categorize dinosaurs as animals?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 1: Do you categorize a dinosaurs animal? I think that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it a creature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the in the abstract, I would it's an animal, sure,
Speaker 2: But I feel like they're so completely their own taxonomical
Speaker 2: thing is dinosaur. You know, yeah, I think Ankliosaurus there's
Speaker 2: like something about just like. I think it's probably because
Speaker 2: I think there was like a he man character that
Speaker 2: rode one when I was a little kid or something.
Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure why, but esthetically I find the
Speaker 2: Ankliosaurus very admirable.
Speaker 1: I like that this listener knew you would have a
Speaker 1: very specific answer. That's why they asked that question. What's
Speaker 1: something that leftists can learn from previous movements? I can
Speaker 1: answer that question very, very very quickly. Oh, you should
Speaker 1: go first in fighting is not worth it. Infighting is
Speaker 1: not worth it. No, your neighbors be dice. Infighting is
Speaker 1: not worth it.
Speaker 2: Okay to complicate it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that the things to learn from the past,
Speaker 2: one of them is I think there's this version of
Speaker 2: petty infighting that happens constantly that is absolutely destroyed so
Speaker 2: many things. And actually it's really great now that the
Speaker 2: right wing's doing it in the US right now. I
Speaker 2: hope that that keeps up instead. But I think one
Speaker 2: of the things for me when I look at history
Speaker 2: is you can trust individual people who have adherences to
Speaker 2: larger power structures. But you can't necessarily trust those power structures.
Speaker 2: So like individual authoritarian communists who aren't like man, I
Speaker 2: love authority, they're just like trying to make socialism right
Speaker 2: have done an amazing work. But I would say that
Speaker 2: basically one of the great lessons of history is that
Speaker 2: we can have political pluralism with people who believe in
Speaker 2: political pluralism. Yeah, but there are people who want to
Speaker 2: like dominate and control, and they will turn on us
Speaker 2: in the middle of major conflicts again and again and again,
Speaker 2: and we see it over and over and over again
Speaker 2: in history. The other thing that I was kind of
Speaker 2: prized to learn but in retrospect it's obvious, but I
Speaker 2: just hadn't really put it through organizing. Nothing gets done
Speaker 2: without organizing. And I think that this is like the
Speaker 2: you know, there's this huge historical tension in socialism between
Speaker 2: the three polls of it are sort of democratic socialism, anarchism,
Speaker 2: and state communism, right, and there's this tension between anti
Speaker 2: authoritarian and authoritarian communists where the authoritarian communists very rightly
Speaker 2: are like, you got to organize to get stuff done, right,
Speaker 2: but then the anti authoritarian anarchists are, well, the anarchists
Speaker 2: are very also rightly being like, well, you all keep
Speaker 2: murdering everyone and that's bad. Yeah, and so if we
Speaker 2: do organizing, then they won't have a point and then
Speaker 2: we're good.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's my lesson of history, and it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be under that name. And like, I do believe in
Speaker 2: political pluralism and avoiding infighting. It's just it's that tolerance paradox, right,
Speaker 2: in the same way that you can't really tolerate bigots, right,
Speaker 2: you can't tolerate intolerance. You can't have solidarity with people
Speaker 2: who don't have whose politics is not based on having
Speaker 2: solidarity with you. That's what I got.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you mentioned something about this on the podcast
Speaker 1: because somebody wants to know, how did your sourdough experience go?
Speaker 2: Oh, I have no idea if I said anything about this.
Speaker 2: My experience of sour dough is I left the starter
Speaker 2: in my fridge for long enough that I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this now, because
Speaker 2: I learned how to make a non sour dough rustic
Speaker 2: loaf that just makes me perfectly happy. And now I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just good on bread. I like make the bread
Speaker 2: that I really like eating, and so now I'm kind
Speaker 2: of have no real interest in sourdough. Sour dow is great.
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking it. It's just there's enough things I'm
Speaker 2: trying to keep alive in my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend Sarah makes a really amazing sour dough bread.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: And then I've never attempted, but I am signed up
Speaker 1: to take a class with my friend Mollie. Hi, Molly
Speaker 1: at some point this year. Nice magpie. What's the worst
Speaker 1: thing you've ever eaten? That's so funny.
Speaker 2: What's the worst thing I've ever eaten?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 2: I get answer that shit real quickly, right, you go,
Speaker 2: you go?
Speaker 1: Fucking uh. This is like back when I was like
Speaker 1: less food conscious and less allergic to things. I fucking
Speaker 1: had a Wallburger from Wallburger's Mark Wahlberg's restaurant that's now
Speaker 1: no longer around because it was like walking distance to
Speaker 1: where I used to live in LA. That is the
Speaker 1: most disgusting food I've ever had. It was so fucking bad.
Speaker 1: It was so gross. Oh.
Speaker 2: I fed myself primarily from trash between the years of
Speaker 2: two thousand and two maybe two thousand and six. And
Speaker 2: there's a lot of amazing food that you can find
Speaker 2: in the dumpster. There's also a lot of food that
Speaker 2: is really gross and isn't food anymore, that you can
Speaker 2: find in the dumpster. And I learned how to distinguish
Speaker 2: between the two the hard way, on numerous occasions is
Speaker 2: the way I'll phrase that. I've also like eaten stuff
Speaker 2: where I was like, sometimes people literally poisoned food before
Speaker 2: they put it in the garbage because they want to
Speaker 2: kill homeless people, yeah, or avoid liability as a corporation
Speaker 2: by not allowing people to eat their food. And so
Speaker 2: there's like bagels with bleach on them and stuff like
Speaker 2: that in the trash. And I have accidentally consumed more
Speaker 2: than I should have of poisoned food.
Speaker 1: Still fucking better than Wallburgers. Let me tell you fair enough.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have this advantage of being vegan.
Speaker 2: Like for a little while, I was actually freaking, which
Speaker 2: is a terrible title, and I was like, because this
Speaker 2: isn't contributing to the you know, the exploitation of animals
Speaker 2: by capitalism or whatever. If I eat it once it's
Speaker 2: been thrown away. But then what I realize is that
Speaker 2: by sticking to veganism with my dumpster diving I was
Speaker 2: saving myself an awful lot of headache and put food poisoning.
Speaker 1: So fair enough. What are some of your favorite movies
Speaker 1: and or books from this past year.
Speaker 2: I really liked I saw the TV Glow again. My
Speaker 2: brain turns off. I'm like, I've never read a book.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
Speaker 2: I spent like forty or fifty hours while I was
Speaker 2: on tour listening to this audio book called The Deluge
Speaker 2: by Stephen Markley. It's just a what might happen with
Speaker 2: climate change book. It's a little bit, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's like one of my
Speaker 2: favorite books because there's like, I don't know, I have
Speaker 2: complicated feelings about it, but I also found it. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate the couple authors I've read who've done the
Speaker 2: really big picture work at looking at like thirty years
Speaker 2: of climate change possibility. This book The Deluge and then
Speaker 2: The Ministry for the Future of the Future by Kim
Speaker 2: Stanley Robinson are the two books that I've read that
Speaker 2: have like really undertaken that work. I like learned a
Speaker 2: lot from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read I really injured. Mio Wong suggested that
Speaker 1: I read Whipping Girl by Julia Serrano. That's a really
Speaker 1: good book. I read that this year. I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle of reading a book called The Anxious Generation, which
Speaker 1: is by a professor named Jonathan. I think his last
Speaker 1: name is pronounced hate h a I d T sorry,
Speaker 1: famous pronounced that. And it's kind of just like about
Speaker 1: how like childhood has been rewired due because of technology,
Speaker 1: and it's super interesting. It reminds me a lot about
Speaker 1: what Edza Trun talks about on his podcast. And I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of that book right now, and it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. For movies, I really liked Challengers that came
Speaker 1: out this year. For new movies, I see a lot
Speaker 1: of old movies.
Speaker 2: What's an old movie that you watched this year?
Speaker 1: Old movie that I watched this year? I saw a
Speaker 1: rear Window in theaters. That was awesome. I saw cool
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life. That was great. I always see
Speaker 1: wicker Man in theaters.
Speaker 2: Oh, hell yeah, I love I rewatched The Wickerman again
Speaker 2: this year. I love that movie.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 2: It's one of the most perfect films.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. I have no fucking notes. It's so fucking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck did I see? Oh my god, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw some really good girly girly bot movies.
Speaker 1: I saw uh Moulin Rouge. I saw Saved. If you
Speaker 1: haven't seen Saved, it's it's not necessary for theater theater consumption,
Speaker 1: but it's a great time, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: not not always on television. I saw Bringing On in theaters.
Speaker 1: That was hilarious. Everybody knew all the words. I saw
Speaker 1: Titanic in thirty five millimeter. That was amazing.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, ah, we saw The Wizard of Oz too, and
Speaker 1: I got to obnoxiously tell everybody the history of Toto,
Speaker 1: how Toto was a girl, and how Toto got injured
Speaker 1: on set mid movie and they had to swing shot
Speaker 1: total with another dog, and so she got replaced with
Speaker 1: the boy dog. And it's like, uh, how dare.
Speaker 2: I like that? That's like probably the equivalent of there's
Speaker 2: a lot of memes about Lord of the Rings about
Speaker 2: how everyone that you watch Lord of the Rings with
Speaker 2: wants to tell you about when what's his name kicks
Speaker 2: the helmet, he like breaks his toe and so he's
Speaker 2: like running around and jumping is like real. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wonder if the Toto being switched is the same.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 2: I saw Kneecap this year and it was amazing and
Speaker 2: made me want to learn Irish. Oh yeah, I watched
Speaker 2: a lot of bad movies this year.
Speaker 1: But I love bad movies.
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm not going to shout out any
Speaker 2: of the bad movies I like. But I like bad movies.
Speaker 1: That's for us. Yeah, we're gonna take one more break
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and I'll ask you, I
Speaker 1: don't know, two or two more questions.
Speaker 2: Or so, Sophie, what's your favorite advertiser?
Speaker 1: And if that wasn't an ad for you know, the
Speaker 1: concept of Lebron James, the concept of your favorite basketball
Speaker 1: player currently it's not that's not all time it Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to ask some of these questions. I'm
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, Margaret, what are some theorists slash works
Speaker 1: that you think shaped your worldview the most?
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a cop out answer, But most
Speaker 2: of my early theory came orally right, Most of my
Speaker 2: early theory and that it did come from books, but
Speaker 2: it came from people I was organizing with who had
Speaker 2: read those books. So I don't always know the names
Speaker 2: of a lot of the sort of theorists who influenced,
Speaker 2: especially my early political upbringing, and then more recently, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's funny. There's a guy named Ed Whitfield who works
Speaker 2: with a group called Seed Commons that does cooperative loan financing, right,
Speaker 2: And it sounds boring on the outset, but it is
Speaker 2: this like revolutionary way of We talked about it a
Speaker 2: bit in the Argentina episodes when people took over their factories.
Speaker 2: That concept of how to do worker cooperatization and how
Speaker 2: to finance it eventually came to the United States and
Speaker 2: then it tied in with black radicals talking about cooperativism.
Speaker 2: And if there's like one upside to a country like
Speaker 2: the United States, it is the syncretic nature of all
Speaker 2: of these different ideas. And so there's all of these
Speaker 2: different radical currents that co exist within the United States
Speaker 2: that can like interact with each other really beautifully. And
Speaker 2: so seeing like South American cooperativism meet Black cooperativism of
Speaker 2: North America has created a really interesting set of solutions, right,
Speaker 2: And so Ed Whitfield is one of the people who
Speaker 2: works at Steve Commons as an older black radical and
Speaker 2: you know, participated in like university takeovers with the guns
Speaker 2: in the sixties and that kind of stuff, right, And
Speaker 2: he just like laid out economics in a way that
Speaker 2: I hadn't I hadn't understood it. It was the first
Speaker 2: time in a long time I learned new stuff about
Speaker 2: how capitalism and the economy work was listening to Ed Whitfield.
Speaker 2: So I guess I would say general. But I don't
Speaker 2: think he's written any books, but you can look him
Speaker 2: up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: He gives talks, Well, what are your what's your favorite
Speaker 1: kind of potato currently?
Speaker 2: Okay, this isn't the cop out. It's not even that
Speaker 2: I don't know the names, but I love all potatoes equally.
Speaker 2: It's more that I just like, I genuinely like diffy
Speaker 2: different type of potato. But actually I don't always know
Speaker 2: their names. As soon as we're done, I'm going to
Speaker 2: roast potatoes and asparagus in the oven, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to use those like smaller ones that he cut into
Speaker 2: quarters new potatoes. But I make a lot of French
Speaker 2: fries at home, and I use big old Idaho potatoes
Speaker 2: for those. And again Russets, I often actually don't know
Speaker 2: the names of potatoes. I don't know if I said
Speaker 2: it on air, but my potato harvest was destroyed by
Speaker 2: potato blight this year. Oh my god, I only successfully
Speaker 2: got a couple potatoes. That's horrible, I know, but my
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes were fine. Okay, So last night I ate
Speaker 2: my last sweet potato that I grew this year, and
Speaker 2: I French fried it, and I think it's just was
Speaker 2: a fun, like sacrilegious moment to like, I'm gonna grow
Speaker 2: this thing. And then I was like, and then I'm goen.
Speaker 2: I cover it in oil and put in the air
Speaker 2: fryar and then covered and ketchup and it was so good.
Speaker 1: I have two potato recipes I would like to shout
Speaker 1: out at the end here that I've tried this year
Speaker 1: that I had not tried in previous years, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what was I doing. The first is a stacked potato recipe.
Speaker 1: You take it, you get like one of those potato
Speaker 1: sliceror mandolin type looking things, and it works with most
Speaker 1: kind of potatoes, but for this it's good if you
Speaker 1: have like a Yukon gold buttery potato type thing and
Speaker 1: you get a muffin ten, okay, and at the bottom
Speaker 1: of muffin t and you put a little bit of
Speaker 1: oil or butter, some herbs, and you start stacking those
Speaker 1: thin slices of potatoes in each muffin tin, seasoning along
Speaker 1: the way with fresh herbs, and then a little bit
Speaker 1: of cheese, and then you bake them.
Speaker 2: Delightful. That sounds really good.
Speaker 1: The second potato recipe, which I was like, why did
Speaker 1: I not know about this? It's amazing. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had a crispy half scored half potato?
Speaker 2: Robert made me one.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it was probably because I told him about
Speaker 1: this shit, Probably fucking Robert, But I'm glad you had one.
Speaker 2: It was so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good. So you cut like this works best
Speaker 1: with like a rusted potato. You cut them in half,
Speaker 1: and then you score the top of it so it
Speaker 1: should look like a little bit of like a checkerboard situation.
Speaker 1: You oil, orb whatever, sea salt, and you bake them
Speaker 1: scored side down on a cookie sheet, and it takes
Speaker 1: like half the time of a baked potato and is
Speaker 1: just as good, but a little bit crispier.
Speaker 2: I really love the alchemy of cooking. I'm not very
Speaker 2: good at it. I'm like learning it as a I
Speaker 2: didn't have a kitchen or a house most of my
Speaker 2: adult life. Yeah, and I've lived in various barns and
Speaker 2: vehicles and yards and things. But I love the alchemy
Speaker 2: of like small changes change so much about it. I
Speaker 2: love that you can take a potato and there's so
Speaker 2: many ways to cook a potato with the same ingredients
Speaker 2: and they genuinely are different experiences. It makes me really happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't grow up with parents who cooked. We
Speaker 1: were a very much a somebody else, take out, leftover
Speaker 1: type family.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if we did cook, it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: microwaved hot dog, yeah, which I still loved to this day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But as so what I But I've really invested in
Speaker 1: cooking in the last couple of years, and I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot from YouTube and as well as like my
Speaker 1: brother and his wife are phenomenal chefs, so I've learned
Speaker 1: from them and like friends, and I'm like, I can
Speaker 1: make almost any recipe. Im Like, if there's instructions, hell,
Speaker 1: yeah I can. I can do that. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's really fucking cool. Yeah, And like YouTube and
Speaker 1: TikTok and whatever. Thank you to all those people that
Speaker 1: teach you how to make things, because like you've enriched
Speaker 1: so many lives.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's genuinely one of the most beautiful things
Speaker 2: about the modern era. Like, yeah, when I built the
Speaker 2: cabin I lived in, people are like, how'd you do?
Speaker 2: How did you learn how to do that? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I talked to some other people about cabins and mostly
Speaker 2: watch YouTube videos. Yeah, and yeah with cooking, like there's
Speaker 2: not a like I don't think I'm going to learn
Speaker 2: to do surgery by watching YouTube. No, but any skill
Speaker 2: that not succeeding one hundred percent isn't the end of
Speaker 2: the world. You can learn by teaching yourself by watching
Speaker 2: YouTube And that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yep, Well I'll do it for our part one on
Speaker 1: Q and A. We'll be back on Wednesday with the
Speaker 1: Blue Sky Questions. Woo bye. Cool People Who Did Cool
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