1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to coopby bul Died Cool Stuff twenty 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: twenty five edition. And by that, I mean it's the 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: start of the year, and so we're gonna do a 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: question to answer episode like we've done at the start 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: of I think every year. I'm Marder Kiljoy and I 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: don't know why my voice just cracked. And my producer 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: is Sophie Hi. 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Sophie Hi, MiG Pie. I don't know why your voice 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: cracked either. 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: It cracked earlier today and I don't know. I think 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm finally going through anyway. Uh, that's making real personal 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: jokes on air. That's a normal thing. But our audio 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: engineer is Rory Hi. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Rory Hi, Roy. 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: Our theme musical is written for us by unwoman, and 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: our guest today is nobody. 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Ah Hey, Magfie. Yeah, do you want to answer some questions? 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: Do I ever want to answer some questions? 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Well, we posted on Instagram and Blue Sky asking for you, 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: dear listeners, to submit your questions, and by golly, you did, 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: so we're going to start with the Instagram questions today. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: You ready, I was born ready? 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: I know this about you, Magpie. What story or person's 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: story do you find yourself returning to when you are 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: in need of hope or inspiration for these trying times. 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, I can't remember his name. I just remembered it, 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: Willem Arundeus. On the Gay Resistance to Fascism episode we 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: did right out of the Gate, there's a man who 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: he helped burn a bunch of Nazi records and the Netherlands, 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: and he was part of this art click that did 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: forgery that saved tens of thousands of people's lives and 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: then also destroyed the records that they were using to 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: track people. And he was caught and before he was executed, 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: he got his last words out through his lawyer, and 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: his lawyer told the world that his last words were 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: never let them say that homosexuals or cowards or something 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: to that effect. And just like all of the people 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: that they think are timid are not timid. That's what 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: That's what I keep coming back to. What about you? 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think about the Jine collective a lot, 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, food not bombs a lot, just because we 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: get a lot of messages about that. Do you want 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: to tell people a little bit about those messages? 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah. One of the things that I actually sent 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: on on New Year's I sent this out three in 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: the morning, message out to everyone who helps work on 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: this show, because there's a whole bunch of people who 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: help who work on this show, and I'm just incredibly 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: grateful to them. And I know that everyone's supposed to 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: say that, but it's like, but the reason I was 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: expressing this gratitude to everyone is that I've got a 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: bunch of messages from different Food Not Bombs chapters around 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: the country that have basically been like, hey, our numbers 55 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: have dramatically increased after you do an episode about food 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: out Bombs or you know, people on cool Zone Media 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: talk about how I look at the end of the day, 58 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with given out food, you know. And 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: I met someone once who was like had been looking 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: for their place in life and was like, now I'm 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: just a cook. I just make soup all the time 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: and I love it and it's their thing, you know, 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: And that was like, I don't know, podcast seems like 64 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: a weirdly lonely endeavor, even though we obviously have these 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: zoom calls, right, but like, I just spend dozens of 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: hours every week at least reading books and writing by myself. 67 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: You know. 68 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a very uh like it's an introverted 69 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: career where you have to be extroverted on Mike for 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: like part of the week. 71 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a social sprinter, is the way I've always 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: put it. 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are. 74 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: One time, my whole family is like super hard introverts, 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: and I was talking about being an introvert and my 76 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: family laughed because I'm the most outgoing person in my 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: media family. Yeah, but you will hold me up against 78 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: most of my friends and people are like no, I 79 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: mean literally all you do is hide in your house, 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: you know. 81 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, I have the same thing in 82 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: my family where I'm like no, no, no, I just 83 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: it's just not that way, guys. 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 85 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: My Margaret's ability to maintain optimism in dark times always 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: helps me. Oh, is there anything either of you are 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: looking forward to in the next year. That's a nice, 88 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: nice thing. 89 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: I am. I learned a long time ago that my 90 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 2: emotional state is really directly tied into how the things 91 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm making are going, which is not for the best. 92 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't recommend this particular style of being to anyone, 93 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: but projects that I'm working on, whether they're political, organizing, 94 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: which I don't do as much of these days, or 95 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: if they're like you know, podcasts or books or whatever, 96 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: how those are going really directly affects my mood. And 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: so even as things are going really badly in the 98 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 2: world or and you know, directly materially in my life 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: or you know, legalistically for trans people or whatever, I 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: can kind of always come back to, like, how's what 101 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm writing going, you know. And so there's that, and 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: then there's also just the fact that, like, I mean, 103 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: the whole idea of the show, right when I first said, 104 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, cool people did cool stuff, And 105 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's first, I have to spend 106 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: a long time describing all the bad things, you know, 107 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: because that's where like the cool people come from, is 108 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: in opposition to the bad. So I'm looking forward to 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: the flowerings of resistance. Yeah, that were I mean, I 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: would rather not, right, I'd rather just be looking forward 111 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: to like making art. And I would be perfectly happy 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: if all I did was like carve wooden boxes or whatever, 113 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: you know. But you know, we work with what we got, 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: and we got rough times coming, and so therefore we 115 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: can find beauty in how people respond to and deal 116 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: with thought. How about you? 117 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm honestly just looking forward to being 118 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: home and seeing my friends at my home. I want 119 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: to sit still for a minute. 120 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 121 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: I feel like I did not sit still in twenty 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty four and that was hard. Yeah, but I'm looking 123 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: forward to I've got several different friends that I'll be 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: coming into my area early next year, and I'm very 125 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: happy about that. 126 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: Oh, importing friends is the best. 127 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And if you're listening and you 128 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: know I'm talking about you, Hi, let's see. Oh, this 129 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: is a cool question. Who are your top picks for 130 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: their stories going full bio pic in the cinema? 131 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: Oh. I feel like half of the episodes we do 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: are things that absolutely would be that and then just 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: aren't because they're, yeah, you know, the wrong kind of 134 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 2: political or of a person or something. Uh. I would 135 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: watch the story of Scharlam Swartzbard's life, who was the 136 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: Ukrainian anarchist Jew who assassinated the man who did all 137 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: the pogroms against his own family, just like gunned him 138 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: down in the streets of France, and then the cops 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: came and were like, did you just kill that man? 140 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: And he's like I did. And then there's versions of 141 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: the story where he points the gun at the body 142 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: and pulls the trigger just yeah, the gun's empty, but 143 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: he's just like yeah, and I would shoot him again 144 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 2: if you weren't already dead. And then he was found 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: innocent in a court of law because the pop Wow, 146 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: this doesn't feel timely, because enough people were like, you 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: know what, that killing seems perfectly justified, and so they 148 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: basically did jury nullification. Yeah, in the early twentieth century France. 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: For someone whose family survived some some awful stuff, I 150 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: would watch a movie about him. The problem is is 151 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: that whenever people ask these questions about it specific episode, 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't remember any episodes. I've never seen it. 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about my own podcast. 154 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 155 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: I wonder if there is one about that pirate queen 156 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: of Ireland. Probably his name I now don't remember, but 157 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: I would watch that. 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Personally, I'd love to see a City of Gnomes movie 159 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: about those people that like rebuilt, like like Amsterdam, right, 160 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I remember it's. 161 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: Correctly, Yeah, the caboalter, so the cabouter, the. 162 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Provost, the provosts, and then and then the cabouters. 163 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that would be cool. 164 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun. And then there's 165 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: another I'm trying to remember the other one that I 166 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: was like, who was this? Oh mm hmmm mmm mmm, Okay, 167 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: I'd love a freedom House movie. Freedom House would be 168 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: a really cool movie. 169 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm I'm like surprised there isn't one, you know. 170 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, also just like a built an amazing title. 171 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many of these stories as we like 172 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: learn about them, are just like, how do we not 173 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: all know that? How did we not know that the 174 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: first paramedics were blackman from Pittsburgh? You know? 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Pittsburgh of it all is like 176 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: a really good for a movie set. I feel yeah, 177 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that would be really fun. Macpey, who's 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: your favorite person that you've covered? 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: Oh? I love all of my children equally and also 180 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: don't remember any of their names. 181 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: But what I was about to say, I was like, 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: I was like, no, you don't you remember who they are? 183 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: I never podcast all the little details go bye bye. 184 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, let's see. I have never done a 185 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: Mala Testa episode, but he's woven through so many stories. 186 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: I think I'm afraid to do an episode about him 187 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: because what if it turns out he's a jerk? 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: You know? Is there an Emma Goldman movie? 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: Emma Goldman is in the movie Reds that I haven't 190 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: seen in a million. 191 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Year, but it's not good. But like there isn't like a. 192 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: Direct No, oh, there isn't Ema Goldman movie. 193 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: That's wild. 194 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was thinking about how because anarchism is a 195 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: raced out of every bit of history. Like I was 196 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: just reading about this thing that I'm gonna be talking 197 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: about soon, so I don't want to spoil it. Yeah, 198 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: I was like reading about this thing where I was like, oh, 199 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: and then these anti fascists from Spain did all of 200 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: this amazing work with their anti authoritarian ideas about how 201 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: to do the following, And I'm like, nowhere in this 202 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: like five thousand word article as I say anarchists, And 203 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: I was like, this is why people can't track spread 204 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: of this ideology, is that these people who like fought 205 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: and died for this. Just so Emma Goldman is like, 206 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean, she's even vaguely famous. I think the average 207 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: I don't know, the average American probably doesn't know Goldman is, but. 208 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: She's like, time I visit my Midwest family, I'll do 209 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: a poll. 210 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I feel like you get an 211 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: older American and they'll know who Saquin Vinzetti are, but 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: they're not like, yeah, they're fine, but they're not like 213 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: the heroes. They're not Emma gold Yeah. Anyway, Wow, you know, I. 214 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: Really enjoyed this year. You tell you. I think this 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: was back in like March. Yeah, marchish you telling us 216 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: the real story of Oscar Wilde because I was like, 217 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I was like, you know Oscar Wilde. I was like, no, no, no, 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: that's actually like legit vital information. Okay, that's who I like. 219 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't want someone else to make a biopic about 220 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Oscar World. I want to make a biopic about Oscar Wilde. 221 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: I want you to make a biopic of Oscar World. 222 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: Also, I think I will be in a better position 223 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: to understand weirdo artist anarchist Catholics than the average person. 224 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go to our first side break, hooray. 225 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: I think this year we have to come up with 226 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: something as good as potatoes. Okay, which is hard because 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: that's as good as potatoes. 228 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, we tried the medieval weapons thing for 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: a while, but it didn't stick. 230 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: No, I think it should be another food. 231 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: Okay, but like, what's more pasta pasta? Because the Nazis 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: hated it. It's true and there's a lot of types. 233 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: That's true. We're dinosaurs. 234 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Oh that's better. 235 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: I like that. Okay, speaking of. 236 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Dinosaurs, what are the next questions? Is? What are your 237 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: favorite dinosaurs? That's a question for you, but it's not 238 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: a question for me because I don't have a favorite dinosaur. 239 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: I love all dinosaurs equally because I don't know their names. 240 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: I love that. That's what you when when you don't 241 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: know the name of something, you're like, I like all 242 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: of them? 243 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: I do? I do? I said, nope, I take it back. 244 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: What's the one the one with the two big heads? 245 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: Do little arms? Too big a body? 246 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: T rex? 247 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: T RECs? That? I love any animal with two little arms, 248 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah. Animal? Do we categorize dinosaurs as animals? 249 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: Interesting? 250 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: Do you categorize a dinosaurs animal? I think that. I mean, 251 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it a creature. 252 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the in the abstract, I would it's an animal, sure, 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: But I feel like they're so completely their own taxonomical 254 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: thing is dinosaur. You know, yeah, I think Ankliosaurus there's 255 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: like something about just like. I think it's probably because 256 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: I think there was like a he man character that 257 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: rode one when I was a little kid or something. 258 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure why, but esthetically I find the 259 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Ankliosaurus very admirable. 260 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: I like that this listener knew you would have a 261 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: very specific answer. That's why they asked that question. What's 262 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: something that leftists can learn from previous movements? I can 263 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: answer that question very, very very quickly. Oh, you should 264 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: go first in fighting is not worth it. Infighting is 265 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: not worth it. No, your neighbors be dice. Infighting is 266 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: not worth it. 267 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: Okay to complicate it. 268 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 269 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: I think that the things to learn from the past, 270 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: one of them is I think there's this version of 271 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: petty infighting that happens constantly that is absolutely destroyed so 272 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: many things. And actually it's really great now that the 273 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: right wing's doing it in the US right now. I 274 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: hope that that keeps up instead. But I think one 275 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: of the things for me when I look at history 276 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: is you can trust individual people who have adherences to 277 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: larger power structures. But you can't necessarily trust those power structures. 278 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: So like individual authoritarian communists who aren't like man, I 279 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: love authority, they're just like trying to make socialism right 280 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: have done an amazing work. But I would say that 281 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: basically one of the great lessons of history is that 282 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: we can have political pluralism with people who believe in 283 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: political pluralism. Yeah, but there are people who want to 284 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: like dominate and control, and they will turn on us 285 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: in the middle of major conflicts again and again and again, 286 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: and we see it over and over and over again 287 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: in history. The other thing that I was kind of 288 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: prized to learn but in retrospect it's obvious, but I 289 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: just hadn't really put it through organizing. Nothing gets done 290 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: without organizing. And I think that this is like the 291 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's this huge historical tension in socialism between 292 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: the three polls of it are sort of democratic socialism, anarchism, 293 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: and state communism, right, and there's this tension between anti 294 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: authoritarian and authoritarian communists where the authoritarian communists very rightly 295 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: are like, you got to organize to get stuff done, right, 296 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: but then the anti authoritarian anarchists are, well, the anarchists 297 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: are very also rightly being like, well, you all keep 298 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: murdering everyone and that's bad. Yeah, and so if we 299 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: do organizing, then they won't have a point and then 300 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: we're good. 301 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: There you go. 302 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: That's my lesson of history, and it doesn't have to 303 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: be under that name. And like, I do believe in 304 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: political pluralism and avoiding infighting. It's just it's that tolerance paradox, right, 305 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: in the same way that you can't really tolerate bigots, right, 306 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: you can't tolerate intolerance. You can't have solidarity with people 307 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: who don't have whose politics is not based on having 308 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: solidarity with you. That's what I got. 309 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you mentioned something about this on the podcast 310 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: because somebody wants to know, how did your sourdough experience go? 311 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Oh, I have no idea if I said anything about this. 312 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: My experience of sour dough is I left the starter 313 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: in my fridge for long enough that I was like, 314 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this now, because 315 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: I learned how to make a non sour dough rustic 316 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: loaf that just makes me perfectly happy. And now I'm like, 317 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: I'm just good on bread. I like make the bread 318 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: that I really like eating, and so now I'm kind 319 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: of have no real interest in sourdough. Sour dow is great. 320 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm not knocking it. It's just there's enough things I'm 321 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: trying to keep alive in my house. 322 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend Sarah makes a really amazing sour dough bread. 323 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: Nice. 324 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: And then I've never attempted, but I am signed up 325 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: to take a class with my friend Mollie. Hi, Molly 326 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: at some point this year. Nice magpie. What's the worst 327 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: thing you've ever eaten? That's so funny. 328 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: What's the worst thing I've ever eaten? 329 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Fuck? 330 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: I get answer that shit real quickly, right, you go, 331 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: you go? 332 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: Fucking uh. This is like back when I was like 333 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: less food conscious and less allergic to things. I fucking 334 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: had a Wallburger from Wallburger's Mark Wahlberg's restaurant that's now 335 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: no longer around because it was like walking distance to 336 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: where I used to live in LA. That is the 337 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: most disgusting food I've ever had. It was so fucking bad. 338 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: It was so gross. Oh. 339 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: I fed myself primarily from trash between the years of 340 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and two maybe two thousand and six. And 341 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: there's a lot of amazing food that you can find 342 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: in the dumpster. There's also a lot of food that 343 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: is really gross and isn't food anymore, that you can 344 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: find in the dumpster. And I learned how to distinguish 345 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 2: between the two the hard way, on numerous occasions is 346 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: the way I'll phrase that. I've also like eaten stuff 347 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: where I was like, sometimes people literally poisoned food before 348 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: they put it in the garbage because they want to 349 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: kill homeless people, yeah, or avoid liability as a corporation 350 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: by not allowing people to eat their food. And so 351 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: there's like bagels with bleach on them and stuff like 352 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: that in the trash. And I have accidentally consumed more 353 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: than I should have of poisoned food. 354 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Still fucking better than Wallburgers. Let me tell you fair enough. 355 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have this advantage of being vegan. 356 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: Like for a little while, I was actually freaking, which 357 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: is a terrible title, and I was like, because this 358 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: isn't contributing to the you know, the exploitation of animals 359 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: by capitalism or whatever. If I eat it once it's 360 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: been thrown away. But then what I realize is that 361 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: by sticking to veganism with my dumpster diving I was 362 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: saving myself an awful lot of headache and put food poisoning. 363 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: So fair enough. What are some of your favorite movies 364 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: and or books from this past year. 365 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: I really liked I saw the TV Glow again. My 366 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: brain turns off. I'm like, I've never read a book. 367 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: Oh, I know. 368 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: I spent like forty or fifty hours while I was 369 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: on tour listening to this audio book called The Deluge 370 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: by Stephen Markley. It's just a what might happen with 371 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: climate change book. It's a little bit, you know, it's weird. 372 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's like one of my 373 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: favorite books because there's like, I don't know, I have 374 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: complicated feelings about it, but I also found it. I 375 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: really appreciate the couple authors I've read who've done the 376 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: really big picture work at looking at like thirty years 377 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: of climate change possibility. This book The Deluge and then 378 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: The Ministry for the Future of the Future by Kim 379 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: Stanley Robinson are the two books that I've read that 380 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: have like really undertaken that work. I like learned a 381 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: lot from it. 382 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I read I really injured. Mio Wong suggested that 383 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: I read Whipping Girl by Julia Serrano. That's a really 384 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: good book. I read that this year. I'm in the 385 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: middle of reading a book called The Anxious Generation, which 386 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: is by a professor named Jonathan. I think his last 387 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: name is pronounced hate h a I d T sorry, 388 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: famous pronounced that. And it's kind of just like about 389 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: how like childhood has been rewired due because of technology, 390 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: and it's super interesting. It reminds me a lot about 391 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: what Edza Trun talks about on his podcast. And I'm 392 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of that book right now, and it's 393 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: really interesting. For movies, I really liked Challengers that came 394 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: out this year. For new movies, I see a lot 395 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: of old movies. 396 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: What's an old movie that you watched this year? 397 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: Old movie that I watched this year? I saw a 398 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: rear Window in theaters. That was awesome. I saw cool 399 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life. That was great. I always see 400 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: wicker Man in theaters. 401 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Oh, hell yeah, I love I rewatched The Wickerman again 402 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: this year. I love that movie. 403 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: It's it's one of my favorite movies of all time. 404 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: It's one of the most perfect films. 405 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: It's perfect. I have no fucking notes. It's so fucking good. 406 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 407 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck did I see? Oh my god, Okay, yeah, 408 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: I saw. I saw some really good girly girly bot movies. 409 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: I saw uh Moulin Rouge. I saw Saved. If you 410 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen Saved, it's it's not necessary for theater theater consumption, 411 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: but it's a great time, and I feel like it's 412 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: not not always on television. I saw Bringing On in theaters. 413 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: That was hilarious. Everybody knew all the words. I saw 414 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: Titanic in thirty five millimeter. That was amazing. 415 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Nice. 416 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: Okay, ah, we saw The Wizard of Oz too, and 417 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: I got to obnoxiously tell everybody the history of Toto, 418 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: how Toto was a girl, and how Toto got injured 419 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: on set mid movie and they had to swing shot 420 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: total with another dog, and so she got replaced with 421 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: the boy dog. And it's like, uh, how dare. 422 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: I like that? That's like probably the equivalent of there's 423 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: a lot of memes about Lord of the Rings about 424 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: how everyone that you watch Lord of the Rings with 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: wants to tell you about when what's his name kicks 426 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: the helmet, he like breaks his toe and so he's 427 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: like running around and jumping is like real. Yeah, I 428 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: wonder if the Toto being switched is the same. 429 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: Probably. 430 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 2: I saw Kneecap this year and it was amazing and 431 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: made me want to learn Irish. Oh yeah, I watched 432 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: a lot of bad movies this year. 433 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: But I love bad movies. 434 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: I know, but I'm not going to shout out any 435 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: of the bad movies I like. But I like bad movies. 436 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: That's for us. Yeah, we're gonna take one more break 437 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and I'll ask you, I 438 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: don't know, two or two more questions. 439 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: Or so, Sophie, what's your favorite advertiser? 440 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: And if that wasn't an ad for you know, the 441 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: concept of Lebron James, the concept of your favorite basketball 442 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: player currently it's not that's not all time it Wow, 443 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to ask some of these questions. I'm 444 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, Margaret, what are some theorists slash works 445 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: that you think shaped your worldview the most? 446 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: So it's kind of a cop out answer, But most 447 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: of my early theory came orally right, Most of my 448 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: early theory and that it did come from books, but 449 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: it came from people I was organizing with who had 450 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: read those books. So I don't always know the names 451 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: of a lot of the sort of theorists who influenced, 452 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: especially my early political upbringing, and then more recently, I mean, 453 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: it's funny. There's a guy named Ed Whitfield who works 454 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: with a group called Seed Commons that does cooperative loan financing, right, 455 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 2: And it sounds boring on the outset, but it is 456 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: this like revolutionary way of We talked about it a 457 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: bit in the Argentina episodes when people took over their factories. 458 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: That concept of how to do worker cooperatization and how 459 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: to finance it eventually came to the United States and 460 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: then it tied in with black radicals talking about cooperativism. 461 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: And if there's like one upside to a country like 462 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: the United States, it is the syncretic nature of all 463 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: of these different ideas. And so there's all of these 464 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: different radical currents that co exist within the United States 465 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: that can like interact with each other really beautifully. And 466 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: so seeing like South American cooperativism meet Black cooperativism of 467 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: North America has created a really interesting set of solutions, right, 468 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: And so Ed Whitfield is one of the people who 469 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: works at Steve Commons as an older black radical and 470 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: you know, participated in like university takeovers with the guns 471 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: in the sixties and that kind of stuff, right, And 472 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 2: he just like laid out economics in a way that 473 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: I hadn't I hadn't understood it. It was the first 474 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: time in a long time I learned new stuff about 475 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: how capitalism and the economy work was listening to Ed Whitfield. 476 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: So I guess I would say general. But I don't 477 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: think he's written any books, but you can look him 478 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: up on YouTube. 479 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: He gives talks, Well, what are your what's your favorite 480 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of potato currently? 481 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: Okay, this isn't the cop out. It's not even that 482 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: I don't know the names, but I love all potatoes equally. 483 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: It's more that I just like, I genuinely like diffy 484 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: different type of potato. But actually I don't always know 485 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: their names. As soon as we're done, I'm going to 486 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: roast potatoes and asparagus in the oven, and I'm going 487 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: to use those like smaller ones that he cut into 488 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: quarters new potatoes. But I make a lot of French 489 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: fries at home, and I use big old Idaho potatoes 490 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: for those. And again Russets, I often actually don't know 491 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: the names of potatoes. I don't know if I said 492 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: it on air, but my potato harvest was destroyed by 493 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: potato blight this year. Oh my god, I only successfully 494 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: got a couple potatoes. That's horrible, I know, but my 495 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: sweet potatoes were fine. Okay, So last night I ate 496 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: my last sweet potato that I grew this year, and 497 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: I French fried it, and I think it's just was 498 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: a fun, like sacrilegious moment to like, I'm gonna grow 499 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: this thing. And then I was like, and then I'm goen. 500 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: I cover it in oil and put in the air 501 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: fryar and then covered and ketchup and it was so good. 502 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: I have two potato recipes I would like to shout 503 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: out at the end here that I've tried this year 504 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: that I had not tried in previous years, and I'm like, 505 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: what was I doing. The first is a stacked potato recipe. 506 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: You take it, you get like one of those potato 507 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: sliceror mandolin type looking things, and it works with most 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: kind of potatoes, but for this it's good if you 509 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: have like a Yukon gold buttery potato type thing and 510 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: you get a muffin ten, okay, and at the bottom 511 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: of muffin t and you put a little bit of 512 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: oil or butter, some herbs, and you start stacking those 513 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: thin slices of potatoes in each muffin tin, seasoning along 514 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: the way with fresh herbs, and then a little bit 515 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: of cheese, and then you bake them. 516 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: Delightful. That sounds really good. 517 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: The second potato recipe, which I was like, why did 518 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: I not know about this? It's amazing. Have you ever 519 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: had a crispy half scored half potato? 520 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: Robert made me one. 521 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: Okay, well it was probably because I told him about 522 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: this shit, Probably fucking Robert, But I'm glad you had one. 523 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: It was so good. 524 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: It's so good. So you cut like this works best 525 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: with like a rusted potato. You cut them in half, 526 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: and then you score the top of it so it 527 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: should look like a little bit of like a checkerboard situation. 528 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: You oil, orb whatever, sea salt, and you bake them 529 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: scored side down on a cookie sheet, and it takes 530 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: like half the time of a baked potato and is 531 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: just as good, but a little bit crispier. 532 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: I really love the alchemy of cooking. I'm not very 533 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: good at it. I'm like learning it as a I 534 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: didn't have a kitchen or a house most of my 535 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: adult life. Yeah, and I've lived in various barns and 536 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: vehicles and yards and things. But I love the alchemy 537 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: of like small changes change so much about it. I 538 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: love that you can take a potato and there's so 539 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: many ways to cook a potato with the same ingredients 540 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: and they genuinely are different experiences. It makes me really happy. 541 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't grow up with parents who cooked. We 542 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: were a very much a somebody else, take out, leftover 543 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: type family. 544 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 545 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: And if we did cook, it was like, I don't know, 546 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: microwaved hot dog, yeah, which I still loved to this day. Yeah, 547 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: But as so what I But I've really invested in 548 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: cooking in the last couple of years, and I've learned 549 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: a lot from YouTube and as well as like my 550 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: brother and his wife are phenomenal chefs, so I've learned 551 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: from them and like friends, and I'm like, I can 552 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: make almost any recipe. Im Like, if there's instructions, hell, 553 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: yeah I can. I can do that. And I feel 554 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: like that's really fucking cool. Yeah, And like YouTube and 555 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: TikTok and whatever. Thank you to all those people that 556 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: teach you how to make things, because like you've enriched 557 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: so many lives. 558 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean, that's genuinely one of the most beautiful things 559 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: about the modern era. Like, yeah, when I built the 560 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: cabin I lived in, people are like, how'd you do? 561 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: How did you learn how to do that? And I'm like, well, 562 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: I talked to some other people about cabins and mostly 563 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: watch YouTube videos. Yeah, and yeah with cooking, like there's 564 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: not a like I don't think I'm going to learn 565 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: to do surgery by watching YouTube. No, but any skill 566 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: that not succeeding one hundred percent isn't the end of 567 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: the world. You can learn by teaching yourself by watching 568 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: YouTube And that's cool. 569 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: Yep, Well I'll do it for our part one on 570 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: Q and A. We'll be back on Wednesday with the 571 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: Blue Sky Questions. Woo bye. 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