WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Pie-In-The-Face Gag

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, standing in for Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>This is short stuff, So that's right, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking about the old comedy bit of getting

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<v Speaker 2>a pie thrown in your face. It looks like you

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<v Speaker 2>source this from a bunch of different great places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's see. Gary Berman on Medium wrote a great

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<v Speaker 1>one today. I found out Mental Flaws Atlas, Obscure Slate,

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<v Speaker 1>all the old hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, websites we've loved for years. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know the idea that in comedy, nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>funnier than somebody throwing a pie in somebody's face.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it does something really special to the person

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<v Speaker 1>who gets hit in the face. It completely demeans them momentarily,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also gives them the opportunity to laugh at

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<v Speaker 1>off and suddenly shift gears with their personality and win

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd over. Or it can drive them to really

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<v Speaker 1>dig into their personality and get really mad about something

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<v Speaker 1>that is actually kind of comical.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it looks like this whole thing started back in

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<v Speaker 2>vaudeville in the late eighteen hundreds with a Canadian performer

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<v Speaker 2>named Doc Kelly, and Kelly, as the story goes, saw

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<v Speaker 2>a I guess a cook throw a piece of pie

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<v Speaker 2>at a stable boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone laughed at that age old story. Everyone laughed at

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<v Speaker 3>this poor stable boy.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kelly was like, now that's funny, A but you

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<v Speaker 2>hit him in the shirt. It'd be a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>better if you hit him in the face and just

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<v Speaker 2>said you're sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, your hose head, your hose head.

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<v Speaker 2>And then before you know it, it became a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then before you know it, it was in movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty quickly. There's a discrepancy over what movie it

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<v Speaker 1>was in. First, there's a nineteen oh nine film starring

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Turpan, who was a really beloved cross eyed comedian,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking like these are silent movies at the time, right, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Bet that worked his advantage. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a movie called Mister Flip. And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why we're not sure that that's the first one is

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<v Speaker 1>because apparently the movie Mister Flip is totally gone forever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no one preserved it and probably caught fire at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Only descriptions, like written descriptions of the film exist, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're not one hundred percent sure so you fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>a few years and then we know for a fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the first movie that we can document where a

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<v Speaker 1>pie in the face gag shows up is in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen a movie called The Noise from the Deep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this starred sounded like sort of the first

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<v Speaker 2>female comedian of the day, Mabel Norman. She was known

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<v Speaker 2>as the female Charlie Chaplin and a very young Fatty

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<v Speaker 2>Arbuckle in the movie. And key to this was it

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<v Speaker 2>was produced by Keystone Studios, and they became very much

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<v Speaker 2>known as the studio that does a lot of this

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<v Speaker 2>pie in the face bit such that they eaten heeded

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<v Speaker 2>their own bakery to bake all these pies for all

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<v Speaker 2>their movies that they were pumping out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the same Keystone Studios that made the Keystone Cops. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or I should say the Keystone Cops kind of made

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<v Speaker 1>the Keystone Studios. You know what I'm saying. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean so, there's another term for the pie in

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<v Speaker 1>the face gag.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called pieing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stand that word for some reason. It's just wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless of that, it caught on really really quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>Like people are like, I love that it gets a

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<v Speaker 1>huge laugh. We're gonna put this in every single film

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<v Speaker 1>that we put out from now on. In just a

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<v Speaker 1>few short years, it kind of became fairly trite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A movie from nineteen sixteen with Charlie Chaplin called

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<v Speaker 2>Behind the Screen was sort of making fun of it already. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that went from what nineteen thirteen to nineteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>it had been so overdone, So I get the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that it kind of went away or a little out

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<v Speaker 2>of fashion until nineteen twenty seven when Laurel and Hardy

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<v Speaker 2>made Battle of the Century and Stan Laura was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do this so extremely and with so many pies,

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<v Speaker 2>We're basically going to end it all and no one

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<v Speaker 2>will ever be able to do this again because we

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<v Speaker 2>did the ultimate pie in the face bit right.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually started with forty five hundred pies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that'll do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the biggest order that the Los Angeles Pie Company

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<v Speaker 1>ever filled. And yeah, I mean, like, if you stop

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<v Speaker 1>and think about that, that's so so many pies, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just nuts. And apparently they're the versions of Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Century today is so edited that the pie the

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<v Speaker 1>pieing sorry that happens throughout the movie it's impressive, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently it just doesn't even hold a candle to the

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<v Speaker 1>original version, and they really did, you know, deliver on

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<v Speaker 1>Stan Laurel's vision.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's on the cunning room floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I believe that they found they found either a

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<v Speaker 1>second reel or the original version or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>not too long ago in the basement of some I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe usc.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh cool. Yeah, so they got all forty five hundred pies,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe. So that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it went on to be kind of had a

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<v Speaker 2>second life after that. In the late nineteen twenties and

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<v Speaker 2>early thirties, little rascals were doing it. Three Stooges were

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. Buster Keaton basically explained that they were sort

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<v Speaker 2>of unwritten rules for the bit, which is, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to hit someone in the face, like, it's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be someone who deserves it, like a phony, someone

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<v Speaker 2>that needs to come up, and nobody that's earnest like

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Oftentimes it was like a very snooty high

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<v Speaker 2>society person that you kind of was a way of

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<v Speaker 2>putting someone in their place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if there was a pie on the screen, like

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<v Speaker 1>on the table, and there was a person wearing a tuxedo.

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<v Speaker 1>That person was probably going to get a pie in

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<v Speaker 1>the face.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the pies were pretty specific too.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, they had figured out along the way there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a certain way that you should bake a pie.

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<v Speaker 1>And you should bake it to brittleness for one, because

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<v Speaker 1>you want it to shatter. You should also double layer

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<v Speaker 1>the crust so that you can handle it from the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>just the pie, because they used to serve pies or

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<v Speaker 1>bake pies in like tin pie tins still do. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you throw that at somebody, it can cut their

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<v Speaker 1>face wide open. It's a really bad idea to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can only throw the actual pie, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why they doubled up the crust and then also made

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<v Speaker 1>it brittle, and then when it hits the face, that

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<v Speaker 1>crust shatters and just spreads the pie everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, before we get emails, I realize they don't still

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<v Speaker 2>make them out of ten. We did our aluminum podcast recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're aluminum, yeah, but you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>tin plates. You know what the biggest rip though, is.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on in like modern era, when someone would.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoof this, maybe they just do they just put like

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<v Speaker 2>they don't even have filling.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even real pie. There's no crust.

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<v Speaker 2>They would just like take a pie tin and whip

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<v Speaker 2>cream it or shaving cream it up, and that's just

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<v Speaker 2>such a cheap way out, Like it's so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a real pie and you've got like a

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<v Speaker 2>blueberry all over your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a big distinction. But not all of

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<v Speaker 1>us can afford blueberry filling.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck. Well, yeah, I had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pie in the face birthday party when I was probably

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<v Speaker 1>ten or eleven. We just had the little flimsy tins

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<v Speaker 1>and a bunch of cool whips. Nope, you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>liked my birthday party that year.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I would have loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure in that case, it's a little different. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't expect, like your mom to bake twenty pis.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know, I really just let you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I walk that one out.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say. The just my memory of that is,

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<v Speaker 1>even at a young age, I was like, this cool

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<v Speaker 1>whip on the face feels really gross.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really oily. Yeah, this is not right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well cool whip or was it shaving cream? It was

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<v Speaker 2>cool whip, so at least it tasted all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it definitely. It definitely tasted all right, just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel right on the face.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll apologize to Josh more sincerely off and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 3>Softly jawsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Sh soft you.

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<v Speaker 3>S all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were talking about Buster Keaton talking about some

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<v Speaker 2>of the rules of the game or of the bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one was, you know, it's a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>someone would like turn around and get the pie right

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<v Speaker 2>in the face. That was kind of how the bit went.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like, you can't turn around too early

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<v Speaker 2>or you're gonna flinch, and af flinch ruins everything because

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<v Speaker 2>we have to reshoot it, which means we have to reset.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got BlackBerry in your hair, so we got

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<v Speaker 2>to do you know, wash you up and hair and

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<v Speaker 2>makeup and change your wardrobe. So it was a big

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<v Speaker 2>pain to redo that. So don't turn around too early

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<v Speaker 2>or you'll flinch. And also they figure out that like

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<v Speaker 2>because most of this stuff was black and white, or

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<v Speaker 2>all of it was at the time black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>the darker feeling works better if you have blonde hair right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>The light for dark hair right like a peach or

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<v Speaker 3>an apple.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, and you mentioned it earlier before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>when you asked if it was cool whip or shaving cream.

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<v Speaker 1>They figured out that, like, you actually don't want real filling.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, sure, you want something that looks like BlackBerry

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, but if you're looking for like marangu,

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to use shaving cream because it doesn't spoil.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a big one, right, It can get kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hot on a studio set, in particular when it's in

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<v Speaker 1>what late may probably. Yeah, So there was a film.

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<v Speaker 1>It came out in nineteen sixty three or sixty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called The Great Race, and it promised an even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger pie fight than the Great Battle or Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Century. Had it didn't deliver. It's still pretty impressive,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing like that. And they shot this pie fight

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<v Speaker 1>scene at the beginning of Memorial Day weekend, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took a long weekend, and when they came back, the

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<v Speaker 1>pies that they had left on the wall because they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to pick up the shoot from that point on

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<v Speaker 1>had all spoiled, and apparently the cast and crew were gagging.

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<v Speaker 3>It was that nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then that's probably when they moved to shaving cream.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So people were better at it than others. You could

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<v Speaker 2>get a real reputation as a as a champion pie thrower.

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<v Speaker 2>As legend has it, Fatty Arbuckle could throw one with

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<v Speaker 2>each hand in opposite directions and hit the faces. And

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Mo Howard of the Stooges was so good at

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<v Speaker 2>it he did all the off camera throwing and then

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<v Speaker 2>got hired out to throw pies off camera just in

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<v Speaker 2>other movies that shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, that guy was just amazing through and through

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<v Speaker 1>what a specialty. So, like I was saying, like the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why pies in the face started out is being funny,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's still funny today, but it's just been around

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<v Speaker 1>for so long it's kind of like a nod to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of being funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, sure, But the whole premise is that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're taking somebody down a peg. And so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that surprising that it eventually kind of spilled out in

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<v Speaker 1>real life where people have have taken to hitting powerful

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<v Speaker 1>people in the face with pies to kind of show

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<v Speaker 1>them that they're and show the world they're not this

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<v Speaker 1>god god among humans, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, which you know, these days, if you approach

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<v Speaker 2>anything any big famous person like that was something in

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<v Speaker 2>your hand to hit them with. It's it's never been

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea, but it's less so now more than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean everyone from like Bill Gates to

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<v Speaker 2>to Rupert Murdoch has been pied in the face very publicly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently the guy who did that first was a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Thomas Forsaid. He was the founder of High

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<v Speaker 1>Times and maybe seventy and eventually like got picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a group called the Biotic Baking Brigade out

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<v Speaker 1>of San Francisco who were big into this in like

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties and nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so they you know, they're on record saying like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how about a neo Nasimi, neo Nazi or

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<v Speaker 2>a Klansman like they're great people to Pie or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a homophobic preacher go Pie one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they had like literature and pamphlets that suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that who to Pia? Who to Pai? Chucks of that

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that means short stuff's out.

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