1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, standing in for Dave. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: This is short stuff, So that's right, let's go. 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about the old comedy bit of getting 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: a pie thrown in your face. It looks like you 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: source this from a bunch of different great places. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Gary Berman on Medium wrote a great 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: one today. I found out Mental Flaws Atlas, Obscure Slate, 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: all the old hits. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, websites we've loved for years. Yeah. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: So you know the idea that in comedy, nothing is 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: funnier than somebody throwing a pie in somebody's face. 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it does something really special to the person 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: who gets hit in the face. It completely demeans them momentarily, 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: and it also gives them the opportunity to laugh at 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: off and suddenly shift gears with their personality and win 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: the crowd over. Or it can drive them to really 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: dig into their personality and get really mad about something 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: that is actually kind of comical. 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: That's right. 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: And it looks like this whole thing started back in 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: vaudeville in the late eighteen hundreds with a Canadian performer 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: named Doc Kelly, and Kelly, as the story goes, saw 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: a I guess a cook throw a piece of pie 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: at a stable boy. 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: Everyone laughed at that age old story. Everyone laughed at 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: this poor stable boy. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: And Kelly was like, now that's funny, A but you 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: hit him in the shirt. It'd be a whole lot 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: better if you hit him in the face and just 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: said you're sorry. 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, your hose head, your hose head. 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: And then before you know it, it became a thing. 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: And then before you know it, it was in movies. 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty quickly. There's a discrepancy over what movie it 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: was in. First, there's a nineteen oh nine film starring 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: Ben Turpan, who was a really beloved cross eyed comedian, 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: and we're talking like these are silent movies at the time, right, I. 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: Bet that worked his advantage. Right. 40 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 1: It was a movie called Mister Flip. And the reason 41 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: why we're not sure that that's the first one is 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: because apparently the movie Mister Flip is totally gone forever. Yeah, 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: no one preserved it and probably caught fire at some point. 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Only descriptions, like written descriptions of the film exist, So 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: we're not one hundred percent sure so you fast forward 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: a few years and then we know for a fact 47 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: that the first movie that we can document where a 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: pie in the face gag shows up is in nineteen 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: thirteen a movie called The Noise from the Deep. 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this starred sounded like sort of the first 51 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: female comedian of the day, Mabel Norman. She was known 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: as the female Charlie Chaplin and a very young Fatty 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: Arbuckle in the movie. And key to this was it 54 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: was produced by Keystone Studios, and they became very much 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: known as the studio that does a lot of this 56 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: pie in the face bit such that they eaten heeded 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: their own bakery to bake all these pies for all 58 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: their movies that they were pumping out. 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the same Keystone Studios that made the Keystone Cops. Yeah, 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: or I should say the Keystone Cops kind of made 61 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the Keystone Studios. You know what I'm saying. No, no, 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: you mean so, there's another term for the pie in 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: the face gag. 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: It's called pieing. 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: I can't stand that word for some reason. It's just wrong. 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: But regardless of that, it caught on really really quickly, 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: Like people are like, I love that it gets a 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: huge laugh. We're gonna put this in every single film 69 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: that we put out from now on. In just a 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: few short years, it kind of became fairly trite. 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, A movie from nineteen sixteen with Charlie Chaplin called 72 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: Behind the Screen was sort of making fun of it already. Yeah, 73 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: so that went from what nineteen thirteen to nineteen sixteen, 74 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: it had been so overdone, So I get the idea 75 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: that it kind of went away or a little out 76 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: of fashion until nineteen twenty seven when Laurel and Hardy 77 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: made Battle of the Century and Stan Laura was like, 78 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: we're gonna do this so extremely and with so many pies, 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: We're basically going to end it all and no one 80 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: will ever be able to do this again because we 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: did the ultimate pie in the face bit right. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: They actually started with forty five hundred pies. 83 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it. 84 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: Probably the biggest order that the Los Angeles Pie Company 85 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: ever filled. And yeah, I mean, like, if you stop 86 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: and think about that, that's so so many pies, it's 87 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: just nuts. And apparently they're the versions of Battle of 88 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: the Century today is so edited that the pie the 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: pieing sorry that happens throughout the movie it's impressive, but 90 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: apparently it just doesn't even hold a candle to the 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: original version, and they really did, you know, deliver on 92 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 1: Stan Laurel's vision. 93 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: Right, it's on the cunning room floor. 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: Actually, I believe that they found they found either a 95 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: second reel or the original version or something like that 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: not too long ago in the basement of some I 97 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: think maybe usc. 98 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: Oh cool. Yeah, so they got all forty five hundred pies, 99 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: I believe. So that's awesome. 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it went on to be kind of had a 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: second life after that. In the late nineteen twenties and 102 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: early thirties, little rascals were doing it. Three Stooges were 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: doing it. Buster Keaton basically explained that they were sort 104 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: of unwritten rules for the bit, which is, if you're 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: going to hit someone in the face, like, it's got 106 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: to be someone who deserves it, like a phony, someone 107 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: that needs to come up, and nobody that's earnest like 108 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: it was. Oftentimes it was like a very snooty high 109 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: society person that you kind of was a way of 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: putting someone in their place. 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, if there was a pie on the screen, like 112 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: on the table, and there was a person wearing a tuxedo. 113 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: That person was probably going to get a pie in 114 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: the face. 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the pies were pretty specific too. 116 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they had figured out along the way there's 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: like a certain way that you should bake a pie. 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: And you should bake it to brittleness for one, because 119 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: you want it to shatter. You should also double layer 120 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: the crust so that you can handle it from the bottom, 121 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: just the pie, because they used to serve pies or 122 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: bake pies in like tin pie tins still do. Yes, 123 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: if you throw that at somebody, it can cut their 124 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: face wide open. It's a really bad idea to do that. 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: So you can only throw the actual pie, which is 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: why they doubled up the crust and then also made 127 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: it brittle, and then when it hits the face, that 128 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: crust shatters and just spreads the pie everywhere. 129 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, before we get emails, I realize they don't still 130 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: make them out of ten. We did our aluminum podcast recently. 131 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: I know they're aluminum, yeah, but you know what I mean, 132 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: tin plates. You know what the biggest rip though, is. 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: Later on in like modern era, when someone would. 134 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: Spoof this, maybe they just do they just put like 135 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: they don't even have filling. 136 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: It's not even real pie. There's no crust. 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: They would just like take a pie tin and whip 138 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: cream it or shaving cream it up, and that's just 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: such a cheap way out, Like it's so much better. 140 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: But it's a real pie and you've got like a 141 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: blueberry all over your face. 142 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a big distinction. But not all of 143 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: us can afford blueberry filling. 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: Chuck. Well, yeah, I had a. 145 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Pie in the face birthday party when I was probably 146 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: ten or eleven. We just had the little flimsy tins 147 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: and a bunch of cool whips. Nope, you wouldn't have 148 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: liked my birthday party that year. 149 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: No, I would have loved it. 150 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure in that case, it's a little different. I 151 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: didn't expect, like your mom to bake twenty pis. 152 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: No, I know, I really just let you. 153 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I walk that one out. 154 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I have to say. The just my memory of that is, 155 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: even at a young age, I was like, this cool 156 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: whip on the face feels really gross. 157 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: It's really oily. Yeah, this is not right. 158 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: Well cool whip or was it shaving cream? It was 159 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: cool whip, so at least it tasted all right. 160 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: Yes, it definitely. It definitely tasted all right, just doesn't 161 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: feel right on the face. 162 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's take a break. 163 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll apologize to Josh more sincerely off and we'll 164 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: be back right after this. 165 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: Softly jawsh. 166 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: Sh soft you. 167 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: S all right. 168 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: So we were talking about Buster Keaton talking about some 169 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: of the rules of the game or of the bit. 170 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Another one was, you know, it's a lot of times 171 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: someone would like turn around and get the pie right 172 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 2: in the face. That was kind of how the bit went. 173 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: And he was like, you can't turn around too early 174 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: or you're gonna flinch, and af flinch ruins everything because 175 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: we have to reshoot it, which means we have to reset. 176 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: And you've got BlackBerry in your hair, so we got 177 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: to do you know, wash you up and hair and 178 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: makeup and change your wardrobe. So it was a big 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: pain to redo that. So don't turn around too early 180 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: or you'll flinch. And also they figure out that like 181 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: because most of this stuff was black and white, or 182 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: all of it was at the time black and white, 183 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: the darker feeling works better if you have blonde hair right, 184 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: and then. 185 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: The light for dark hair right like a peach or 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: an apple. 187 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: Or something, and you mentioned it earlier before the break, 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: when you asked if it was cool whip or shaving cream. 189 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: They figured out that, like, you actually don't want real filling. 190 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, sure, you want something that looks like BlackBerry 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: or something like that, but if you're looking for like marangu, 192 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: you wanted to use shaving cream because it doesn't spoil. 193 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: That's a big one, right, It can get kind of 194 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: hot on a studio set, in particular when it's in 195 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: what late may probably. Yeah, So there was a film. 196 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: It came out in nineteen sixty three or sixty four. 197 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: It's called The Great Race, and it promised an even 198 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: bigger pie fight than the Great Battle or Battle of 199 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: the Century. Had it didn't deliver. It's still pretty impressive, 200 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: but nothing like that. And they shot this pie fight 201 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: scene at the beginning of Memorial Day weekend, and they 202 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: took a long weekend, and when they came back, the 203 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: pies that they had left on the wall because they 204 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: needed to pick up the shoot from that point on 205 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: had all spoiled, and apparently the cast and crew were gagging. 206 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: It was that nasty. 207 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that's probably when they moved to shaving cream. 208 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: That's right. 209 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: So people were better at it than others. You could 210 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: get a real reputation as a as a champion pie thrower. 211 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: As legend has it, Fatty Arbuckle could throw one with 212 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: each hand in opposite directions and hit the faces. And 213 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: apparently Mo Howard of the Stooges was so good at 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: it he did all the off camera throwing and then 215 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: got hired out to throw pies off camera just in 216 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: other movies that shows. 217 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that guy was just amazing through and through 218 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: what a specialty. So, like I was saying, like the 219 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: reason why pies in the face started out is being funny, 220 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: and it's still funny today, but it's just been around 221 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: for so long it's kind of like a nod to 222 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: the idea of being funny. 223 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. 224 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: Agreed, sure, But the whole premise is that, like you said, 225 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: you're taking somebody down a peg. And so it's not 226 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: that surprising that it eventually kind of spilled out in 227 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: real life where people have have taken to hitting powerful 228 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: people in the face with pies to kind of show 229 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: them that they're and show the world they're not this 230 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: god god among humans, you. 231 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, which you know, these days, if you approach 232 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: anything any big famous person like that was something in 233 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: your hand to hit them with. It's it's never been 234 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: a good idea, but it's less so now more than ever. 235 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean everyone from like Bill Gates to 236 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: to Rupert Murdoch has been pied in the face very publicly. 237 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: Yep. 238 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: And apparently the guy who did that first was a 239 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: guy named Thomas Forsaid. He was the founder of High 240 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Times and maybe seventy and eventually like got picked up. 241 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: There was a group called the Biotic Baking Brigade out 242 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: of San Francisco who were big into this in like 243 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties. 244 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they you know, they're on record saying like, 245 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, how about a neo Nasimi, neo Nazi or 246 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: a Klansman like they're great people to Pie or maybe 247 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: a homophobic preacher go Pie one of them. 248 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 249 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: I think they had like literature and pamphlets that suggested 250 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: that who to Pia? 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