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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: Street Far Fan, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: November twenty ninth. Got an amazing interview today with a

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Speaker 2: new new voice. Shall we say in the quarterback discussion game.

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Speaker 2: You guys remember, ah, I guess the faithful listeners to

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Speaker 2: my radio show remember, like, I don't know, it might

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Speaker 2: have been like twenty nineteen when Rob G was producing

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Speaker 2: the radio show. He comes to me. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we got to have this guy on the radio. He's

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Speaker 2: a quarterback and he's breaking down stuff on the internet.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting. And his name at the time

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Speaker 2: was dan Orlovsky. I was like, oh, okay, sure, we'll

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Speaker 2: have him more. Oh wait, that's the guy who stepped

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Speaker 2: out of the en zone. Yeah, yeah, we had him

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Speaker 2: on the show. And within like six months, Danie Rolowski's

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Speaker 2: at ESPN and now he's like one of their top

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Speaker 2: guys making seven figures a year on the NFL. It's

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Speaker 2: insane how quickly you can be original and breaking stuff

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Speaker 2: down and make it interesting. So Rob G went and

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Speaker 2: found another guy who's super interesting. This guy did not

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Speaker 2: play as much in the NFL. Kyle Sloughter is his name.

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Speaker 2: He played played for Southern miss and then Northern Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and he had moments with the Denver Broncos in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, the Cardinals, the Lions, the Bears, the Ragers,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Jags now again. His total NFL

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Speaker 2: pass attempts in regular season is zero, but he spent

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Speaker 2: a lot of time in NFL locker rooms, quarterback rooms. Famous.

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Speaker 2: He's got a good Kirk Cousins Christian Ponders story from Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: and he breaks down all of the top college quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and how people view Russell Wilson as washed last year

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Speaker 2: but fixed this year. Like what's the truth there? Bryce Young?

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Speaker 2: We talk about a lot of quarterbacks. I think it's

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Speaker 2: gonna informative talk. Plus he talks about his days in

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Speaker 2: talked to some of you guys. Some of the listeners

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Speaker 2: have hit me up on IG and we've had some

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Speaker 2: discussions back and forth about life and pursuing your dreams

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Listen to some of the stuff

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Speaker 2: this guy, Kyle says, because he went through hell on

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Speaker 2: the college football front, you know you go to a team.

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Speaker 2: They tell you to be quarterback and then there's the

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Speaker 2: backup and they're like, oh, we need you to be

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Speaker 2: tight end or wide receiver, and you want to do

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Speaker 2: whatever you can. And man, this guy, Kyle went through

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Speaker 2: a lot, but I think you'll like his breakdowns on

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. So for the first time on the podcast,

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Speaker 2: let's welcome in Kyle Slaughter. You know a guy Jason

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Speaker 2: likes to think he knows everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Straight Fire. A new guest to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: He has not been I don't even know if he's

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Speaker 2: done that much media at this point. He's a former

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Speaker 2: big time quarterback in the South and then played college football.

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Speaker 2: Has had stints with Geez half a dozen NFL teams,

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Speaker 2: Birmingham Stallions most recently. Let's welcome in Kyle Sloughter. Kyle,

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Speaker 2: how you doing man.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, Jason. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we had to have you on when you

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Speaker 2: start ruffling all these feathers on social media with some

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Speaker 2: of these hot quarterback takes. Now, listen, this is a

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Speaker 2: good way to break into the business. You are on

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Speaker 2: the young side, right, twenty nine years old?

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Speaker 1: Still yep, yes, sir, So I.

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Speaker 2: Guess I'll start here. So obviously you played a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, it was kind of an up

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Speaker 1: We had a few guys graduating, a few guys transferring

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Speaker 2: All right, Hold up, so how do you respond to that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Monk had at the time didn't look like

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Speaker 2: Why do you respond? Is it f bombs? Is it

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Speaker 1: they told me I wasn't good enough. I transferred to

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Speaker 1: I got there, they made me a receiver. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, essentially it's pulling the rug out from

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Speaker 2: We hold up, Hold up. You had to have had

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean when when that final game hit in

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Speaker 1: And you know, you come in anywhere as a transfer

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Speaker 1: So once my teammates found out that I was one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's I'm not someone that's going to

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Speaker 2: two watching on TV, like, how certain are you? I

434
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Speaker 2: mean fifty percent certain that he hit the right progression

435
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Speaker 2: wrong progression Because there's some quarterbacks out there, Kyle who

436
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Speaker 2: you know, basically after the first one they're like, oh,

437
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Speaker 2: I don't trust my offensive line, I got the happy feet,

438
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Speaker 2: I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: You know, sure?

440
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Speaker 2: How do you break that down while watching the film?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's there's a number of ways. So

442
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: in terms of knowing where somebody's supposed to go. It's

443
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Speaker 1: funny because if you have enough experience within the NFL,

444
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: every playbook is almost the same, Like people aren't really

445
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Speaker 1: creating new plays.

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel would disagree.

447
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Speaker 1: Now, well, now I'll say this, there's your crazy plays

448
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Speaker 1: that like on those particular plays that are drawn up

449
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: that are like person specific, route specific. Everyone else on

450
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Speaker 1: the field is just a decoy. If you get something

451
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Speaker 1: crazy like that, the coach is coming to you saying, hey,

452
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: we have this look that we like from the defense,

453
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Speaker 1: we are throwing it to this guy and then you

454
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Speaker 1: may have a checkdown. So that's where you kind of

455
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Speaker 1: differentiate there. But if you're getting like say a three

456
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Speaker 1: level concept it's pretty standard in like your outside go

457
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Speaker 1: route or a post sayer in three by one, so

458
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Speaker 1: you got three receivers to your left, one to your right.

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Speaker 1: If I've got to go on the all the way

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Speaker 1: outside or a post all the way outside, that's really

461
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Speaker 1: your pre snap read. That's like your premier look. Do

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Speaker 1: I have mansaman coverage on the outside? Do I have

463
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Speaker 1: quarters from the defense? Am I? Can I throw that

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Speaker 1: ball with the pre snap reed that the defense is

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Speaker 1: giving me? And if so, I'm gonna take my drop

466
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Speaker 1: and chuck it to them, give them a chance.

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Speaker 2: If not, and you have to process all that in

468
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Speaker 2: less than three seconds too quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to make a decision based on leverage

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Speaker 1: and position on your pre snap read, like does the

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Speaker 1: safety take three steps back? Do they get any depth?

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Speaker 1: Because then I won't be able to throw a post

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Speaker 1: over them. If it's a go round out, it's a

474
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Speaker 1: little bit easier because it's man to man. They're pressing.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to throw a go route versus off coverage,

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Speaker 1: But you know you're really taking the pre snap read

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Speaker 1: off the rip. If you like what the defense is

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Speaker 1: giving you, then it becomes okay, I've eliminated that. Now

479
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm working to my corner to my flat. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a one A, one B type of read.

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Speaker 1: You can feel the flat defender, does he fall too

482
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Speaker 1: deep under the corner? Does he come to the flat?

483
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Speaker 1: And then you work backside, so you have what's called

484
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Speaker 1: full field reads that are pretty standard in the NFL,

485
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Speaker 1: which everything is timing up, so guys are coming open

486
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Speaker 1: as I'm taking my hitches as a quarterback. So your

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Speaker 1: first hitch is supposed to be your first progression, second

488
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Speaker 1: hitch is a second progression, third hitch is a third progression.

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Speaker 1: So that's how everything's supposed to time up in an offense.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know if somebody is processing information, well,

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Speaker 1: do they take two or three hitches to the same

492
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Speaker 1: guy that's still not open? Are they waiting on him?

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Speaker 1: Can they move on? Those kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: So you make it sound easy, But all these coaches

495
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Speaker 2: and gms, they have watched tons of tape on Trey Lance,

496
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: and they've had him in the building and they've talked

497
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Speaker 2: to him, and they've gone to the whiteboard, and they

498
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: still trade up and get him. Mac Jones. We saw

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Speaker 2: kind of sort of thrive as a rookie with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: I know against weak teams. Yeah, and now here he

501
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Speaker 2: looks like total garbage. He's getting picked off all the time.

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Speaker 2: He has zero confidence. It's just I wonder, how would

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Speaker 2: you you know people are like book smart or street smart,

504
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Speaker 2: not necessarily one of the other. Which do you think

505
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Speaker 2: processing quarterback falls under if either one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there used to be a test and so

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Speaker 1: I'm not to throw anybody under the bus. But in

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings building when I got there, they said

509
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Speaker 1: that Christian Ponder was one of the smartest book smart

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Speaker 1: people that they've ever been around. Like he could sit

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Speaker 1: in a classroom draw everything up. He knew everything, but

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Speaker 1: when it came to processing and moving on, it's like

513
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Speaker 1: the kid that needed So for instance, if I asked

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Speaker 1: you to solve like a very big multiplication like one

515
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Speaker 1: thousand times you know, two hundred and two or whatever,

516
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Speaker 1: it is, like most people can't do that right away.

517
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Now in football, Like if we relate that to football,

518
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Speaker 1: where somebody sees it, process it and knows it immediately,

519
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: Like there's those brain like their brain works differently. Matthew

520
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: Stafford is won that way. I mean, there's a million examples.

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Speaker 1: But it's not so much book smart. It's reading space

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Speaker 1: and understanding what you're seeing. And there's people they do tests.

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Speaker 1: Now they've created these tests that like tracks somebody's cognitive ability.

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Speaker 2: The S two tests, which is allegedly the one that CJ.

525
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Speaker 2: Stroud bombed on. Remember there was the big story that CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud score lowest score of Edybourg. Will Levis crushed him.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And then you come onto the field and CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud is sitting in it and buy a mile. He's

529
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Speaker 2: the best rookie. Let me start with a couple of

530
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Speaker 2: NFL quarterbacks. So Russell Wilson had a really strong career

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Speaker 2: in Seattle. He was very good. I would say Hall

532
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Speaker 2: of Fame track, otherwise would disagree. Nevertheless, goes to Denver

533
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Speaker 2: year one with Nathaniel Hackett and he's total and utter washed.

534
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Speaker 2: He looks terrible. Now he gets on Payton and you

535
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Speaker 2: know he's not making mistakes. I think twenty t d's

536
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Speaker 2: four picks. The numbers say he's vastly improved. But when

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Speaker 2: I watch him, I don't see a quarterback sitting in

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Speaker 2: there going through progressions. It looks to me like he

539
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Speaker 2: is first read Okay, I don't want to make a mistake.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna check it down and we'll take We'll

541
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Speaker 2: take three four yard win. It looks to me like

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Speaker 2: that that's why Wilson is so much better. I don't

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Speaker 2: see him totally dominating out there.

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Speaker 1: To you, no, I don't either, And you know, I

545
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Speaker 1: think Wilson is somebody that right now. The biggest things

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Speaker 1: when I watch him, I think he looks much more

547
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Speaker 1: comfortable this year than last year. I think the Nathaniel

548
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Hackett era kind of did something to his confidence, which

549
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Speaker 1: is understandable as a quarterback. If you're not playing confident,

550
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: you don't really have a chance, like you have to

551
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Speaker 1: go out there and know that you're going to play well.

552
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Speaker 1: It's just like you know, being a batter at the bat.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm not going to get a hit if

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Speaker 1: I don't believe I can get a hit. If I

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Speaker 1: know I'm going to strike out, I'm going to strike

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Speaker 1: out every time. So it becomes a thing as a

557
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Speaker 1: quarterback if you don't trust what you see, if you

558
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: don't trust your coaching and the things your preparation, And

559
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what Russell Wilson got into

560
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Speaker 1: a little bit with the Nathaniel Hackett era. I think

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton has been really good for him. Now. In

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's system, they kind of make it a one

563
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Speaker 1: to two read type of thing. You're not reading like

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Speaker 1: a whole field. It's more play action based, where it's hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have a shot, which could be a

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Speaker 1: eighteen twenty yard comeback for a chunk and then it's

567
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Speaker 1: checked down to the back of the flat or over

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Speaker 1: the ball. They don't have a bunch of just drop

569
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Speaker 1: back and throw the ball as if you're in an

570
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers system. And if they do get in shotgun

571
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Speaker 1: and just straight drop back, more times than not, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be your quick game stuff, is what I've

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Speaker 1: seen from him. So there's not a bunch of chucking

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Also say this in Russell

575
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Speaker 1: Wilson's defense and watching him is I don't feel like

576
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Speaker 1: he has a great supporting cast around him. I think

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Speaker 1: the offensive line is missing a piece probably here and there.

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Speaker 1: And I think you need say you got Davonte Adams.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a much different team.

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Speaker 2: First, well, yeah, yeah, Adams would certainly change things. Let

581
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Speaker 2: me ask you I was your Twitter feed had a

582
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Speaker 2: lot of gushy positivity for Jordan Love, a quarterback who

583
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: struggled mightily earlier this year, but that on Thanksgiving Island

584
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: game against what I think is a putrid line secondary.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jared GoF vomits up the ball a couple

586
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Speaker 2: of times, and Love's got some short fields and it's

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Speaker 2: it's wild. I'm telling you. I did a mock draft

588
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: for Fox Sports two weeks ago. I had Packers going quarterback,

589
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: and now Packers fans are like, see, Jordan Love, is

590
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: he's the guy? We don't need to draft a quarterback.

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00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: But remember, yeah, this is a franchise that would not

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Speaker 2: extend him after his rookie deal. I think they made

593
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Speaker 2: him take a little pay cut, like kind of approve it,

594
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: and they the coaches weren't really sure what they had

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Speaker 2: Based on the quotes in the offseason. It was like

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Speaker 2: the biggest variance of any quarterback this year was like

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love, is he gonna be really good? Or I

598
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Speaker 2: don't know, he's been not great, but now he's turned

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: it around the last couple of weeks. Is it have

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Speaker 2: to do with the opponent or are you seeing a

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Speaker 2: different Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm seeing more of a different Jordan Love and

603
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Speaker 1: maybe he got to the point just like we were

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Speaker 1: talking about, where he's like, hey, I don't have anything

605
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: to lose because four weeks ago they were going to

606
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: be moving on and everybody kind of knew that. Now

607
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Speaker 1: four weeks later, he's played well, He's stacked some good

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00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: games in which I think he's probably I think he's

609
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: only thrown one interception in those last four games. Yeah,

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00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: don't quote me on that, but I think that's what

611
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I saw from the stats. He is playing a much

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Speaker 1: more his fundamentals. They teach you in Green Bay to

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Speaker 1: throw that little pop step like Aaron Rodgers does where

614
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: he's kind of jumping and throwing. I feel like he

615
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: is more accurate in the last four weeks doing that

616
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: where that's a very hard thing to master. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys like your Tim Boyle's Brett Hunley does

618
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: it as well, all those guys that are it's a

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I can't believe they teach people within that

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Speaker 1: system in that building to throw like Aaron Rodgers, because

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is an anomaly. Like when I was in

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Speaker 1: the Vikings building, as the quarterbacks, we'd always talk about

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Speaker 1: how fundamentally unsound he is, but he can do it

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Speaker 1: because he's that good, Like he's just different. It's kind

625
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Speaker 1: of like Patrick Mahomes, Like fundamentally Patrick Mahomes is a nightmare,

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Speaker 1: but Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna little wait, yeah, people, when people say

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Speaker 2: fundamentally a nightmare, they're gonna be like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's a no planet. Is Patrick Mahomes

630
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Speaker 2: a nightmare? You're gonna have to explain the fundamentals.

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Speaker 1: So, like footwork wise, he kind of just does what

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Speaker 1: Patrick wants to do. Like I'm talking. When you talk

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Speaker 1: about fundamentals, you talk about like hey, throwing from the

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Speaker 1: same armslot every time to recreate the same accuracy. Okay,

635
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: So like he's able to he's so good that he's

636
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Speaker 1: able to recreate that same accuracy from different armslots. Like

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Speaker 1: you would never teach a high school quarterback that's trying

638
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: to be great to throw sidearm or throw all these

639
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: crazy like ways with your feet all messed up. But

640
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: he's able to do it because he's just that good,

641
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: has that kind of arm talent so footwork wise, he

642
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: kind of does what he wants. He kind of back

643
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: pedals into it more so, kind of like Aaron Rodgers.

644
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Like that's not like a way that you watch Brock party.

645
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Brock Purty has some of the best feet in the

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00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: NFL right now. He is a guy that plays on schedule,

647
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Speaker 1: on time, and his feet are completely married to the concepts.

648
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Speaker 1: So that's what I mean when I say fundamentals, like

649
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: not saying you can't be good with bad fundamentals. I

650
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: mean there's a bunch of professionals everywhere that are great

651
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: with bad fundamentals. It's just it makes it tough if

652
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Speaker 1: you're not elite.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's get to the batch of quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: now coming out of college. Now, obviously this is a

655
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Speaker 2: really really good year. Some people would say the best

656
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Speaker 2: year in a long ass time. I guess the big

657
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658
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Speaker 2: like you look at the teams drafting in the top ten,

659
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040
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660
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
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661
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,520
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662
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663
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Speaker 2: You look at this batch of quarterbacks and it's kind

681
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: of an interesting group. So Caleb Williams, for about over

682
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: a year now has been like the and since his

683
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: favorite he's the number one pick. He's the best prospect

684
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: since I don't know Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck, whatever you

685
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: want to say. He's really struggled this year. And I

686
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: noted in like September, once they started losing. Maybe it

687
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: was early October. He's just playing backyard football almost every

688
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: drop back, and like, you can't do that in the end.

689
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: Like the Bryce Young experience, experience has been awful. I

690
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: know the coach got fired and Carolina doesn't have skill guys,

691
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: and the old line is questionable, but Bryce Young, like

692
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: in the pocket is a nightmare. You don't get to

693
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: the second read. I'm guessing many times, I still like

694
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, But you put out a tweet saying, you know,

695
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: if I'm ranking a small sample size my top five quarterbacks,

696
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: you had Caleb number four, which you know obviously people

697
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: get a hold of. I'll just say this, I had

698
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: him won in my mock. But I can definitely see

699
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: during the process, once teams start talking and agents and

700
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: all this fun stuff, I can see Caleb fall into two.

701
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: But I'm curious what you're seeing and what your guess

702
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: is on what happens with him.

703
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: So to me, I think whoever gets the number one pick,

704
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: And this is why I said I wouldn't want to

705
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: have the number one pick this year because you're going

706
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: to be as a GM, You're going to kind of

707
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: buy a process of fear somewhere along the way be

708
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: afraid to pick Caleb Williams. And if I'm the GM

709
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: of that team, I'm afraid to not pick him as

710
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: more than anything because if he goes somewhere and does well,

711
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: which there's obviously a huge potential that he can do

712
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: that he's very talented. I don't think he's super understanding

713
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: of the game of football right now at this point

714
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: in his career. I think that can change if he

715
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: gets in a good system, sits behind somebody that's an

716
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: established quarterback and learns a lot about the game. But

717
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't see it number one, that really happening. I

718
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: see him kind of going to a situation where he's

719
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: going to be forced to play immediately. I think it

720
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: could get ugly for me if I'm the Bears and

721
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I and this is what I've said, so Bears drafting

722
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams makes zero sense to me because to me,

723
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: you're getting a less athletic Justin Fields like I think

724
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: just personally, like I think you're getting Justin Fields, in

725
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, is a much better athlete than Caleb. And

726
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Caleb's a great athlete. But I think Justin Fields is

727
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: up there with like your Lamar Jackson's Like it's hard

728
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: to he's a hard guy to bring down. I think

729
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: he's can be an accomplished passer, I think. And here's

730
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: the other piece I want to get into before I

731
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: start ripping quarterbacks, which is never my goal. Yeah, like

732
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: I said, I want everybody to do well. I'm never

733
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: cheering against anybody because I know how hard it is

734
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: to play this game, especially at that position. But there's

735
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: really only like sixteen ish to maybe twenty situations that

736
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: you could go into and do. Okay, I'm not even

737
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: talking about good or great. I'm talking about like coaching

738
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: staff wise, you have to be in a system that

739
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: fits your scheme or your style of play, what you're like.

740
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Take Nick Sirianni for instance, in Philadelphia. They brought more

741
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: of an RPO system to Philadelphia. For a quarterback that

742
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: is comfortable with those kinds of things, He's able to

743
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: make plays like you put Justin Fields in a system

744
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: like that instead of asking him to play whatever kind

745
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: of football they're playing in Chicago right now. I think

746
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: he's a lot better of a quarterback. Yeah, you know,

747
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: I I don't think that's uh.

748
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: But wait, to be fair, we got to see what

749
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: the new coach. I mean, I'm assuming ebra Flus is

750
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: not coming back. Yeah, we got to see what the

751
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: new coach is, right, I mean sure, and that's a

752
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: that's a fair question. Sorry to jump in, but like,

753
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: do you think the coach should say, here's my system,

754
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: I want you Caleb to fit it. Or should they

755
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: hire a coach who caters to his system, which is

756
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: whatever system Caleb Williams you think could thrive it?

757
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're an owner going through the

758
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: hiring search, obviously there's going to be the GM involved there,

759
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: people with football knowledge. It's not just on the owner.

760
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: But I think if you're if you're planning on drafting

761
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: Caleb william Like, if you guys are gung host set

762
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: on drafting Caleb Williams, I think you have to go

763
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: get a coach that is pitching. I'm going my system

764
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: is perfect for what he does. Like, I'm not going

765
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: to try to fit a system. To him, this system

766
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: is what he should be playing in. And if he

767
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: can convince you of that, I think that's your guy.

768
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: Like if he can convince you that, hey, we're gonna

769
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: have some RPOs in here, we're gonna have some things

770
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: that get like quarterback on the edge, make him move,

771
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: make him run, use what makes him good. You know,

772
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: he's a great deep ball thrower. In my opinion, he's

773
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: a great ad libber. I don't think if you sit

774
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: him down in a play action system where he's just

775
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: sitting in the pocket, I don't think that's built for

776
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: him to necessarily thrive and survive.

777
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: The other problem, you can't hire another defensive guy because

778
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: he's going to hire an offensive coordinator who will rework

779
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: for Caleb. But guess what if that works for two years,

780
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: that guy's going to be hired as a head coach

781
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: someone exactly. So it's a really tough spot for the

782
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: So let me ask you had Jaden Daniels one. So

783
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: I will say, I like to U coming into the season,

784
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: I remember Daniels from Arizona State to me like a

785
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: r RG three type, like very slithery, big arm, blah

786
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: blah blah. Then he goes to LSU, and like sadly

787
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: for college football, when when good teams start losing, you

788
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: lose two games, it's like people are really watching your

789
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: games because you're out of the Natty run. You know,

790
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Like I've watched more Oregon than I have Jaden Daniels.

791
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: But fortunately, thanks to YouTube, you can go watch every

792
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels play from any game. And I just I

793
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: got to ask, first of all, what is the offense

794
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: you're seeing at LSU that he's running, that's thriving and

795
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: be would that even work in the NFL? And see,

796
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: would you really consider him in Chicago?

797
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's tough. I wouldn't So as

798
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: far as Chicago goes, I don't know that Chicago, in

799
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: my opinion, needs to draft a quarterback. I almost think

800
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that they have to go. Marvin Harrison Junior is the

801
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: way that I would go. Try to fit some pieces

802
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: around your justin fields and get an offensive mind in there.

803
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: That's kind of like what the Texans have done with C. J. Stroud.

804
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: I think they have done. His name is escaping me

805
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: right now, the offensive coordinator there, But I've been very

806
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: impressed with the things.

807
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Slowick slowik.

808
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I think the things that they're doing with CJ.

809
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: Stroud are phenomenal. I don't love the pieces that they

810
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: have around Justin in Chicago. I don't know that they

811
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: need to go quarterback at one.

812
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the whole resetting of the quarterback clock

813
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: is I think the number one reason, right, because you

814
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: Justin Fields has three years, so he doesn't want to

815
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: go into the fourth without a lot of guarantees going forward.

816
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: So he's going to say pay me, and they're gonna

817
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: be like, no, you have you have thirty five fumbles

818
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: and thirty five games. Great, yeah, you know, so that

819
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: that would be my guess on and like you said,

820
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? Trade down in the

821
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: number one, but you can't take Marvin Harrison one? You

822
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: would trade down right, get assets? But right, but then

823
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: what if I don't know, Brian Dable gets his hands

824
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: on Caleb Williams and is a superstar, and then you

825
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: got a situation like Carolina where holy caw, we got

826
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: the wrong quarterback and then the coaching staff has gone

827
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: and the GM is probably in deep trouble. But you

828
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: really would, if you're advising your front office, you would

829
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: say guys, we got something with Justin we don't need

830
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. Drake, Where are you on Drake May?

831
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: By the way, where am I at on Drake May?

832
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: So?

833
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Drake May I liked his film. Obviously a very good talent,

834
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: very accurate, uh accurate to all parts of the field.

835
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: His deep ball is really good. I think he throws

836
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: a better two ball, meaning like one of those thirty

837
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: yard like bullet throws, like that's got a little bit aloft.

838
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: I think he throws that a little bit better than

839
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: a three ball, which would be your like very lofty go.

840
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I think he overthrows those at times. He's a little

841
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: bit inaccurate downfield on some of those deeper ones, but again,

842
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: those are throws that are you know less probability of

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: completing them, So it's understandable. Drake May is a guy.

844
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: That's when I just watched this last game, the most

845
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: recent one i've watched. I've watched three games of him,

846
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: but when he played Georgia Tech, there were like three

847
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: or four throw that were like first progression reads that

848
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: I just want him to cut it loose, like it's

849
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: wide open, and he kind of hesitated. I don't know,

850
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: if he lost vision behind a defensive lineman, if he

851
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: just didn't see it clearly. But there were times where

852
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: he didn't cut it loose, and that kept showing up

853
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: over and over, and then there's other times where he's

854
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: very accurate. He's more athletic than people give him credit for.

855
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: I think move a lot better than people think. So

856
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: to me, I think his ceiling. I had a list

857
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: of Jaden Daniels, Bo Nicks, Drake May, Caleb Williams, and

858
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: then Michael Pennix. Those are my top five right now

859
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: of guys that I would take. I think.

860
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: Let me ask on May real quick. So let's say

861
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: that you sit down with me and you say, hey,

862
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: you know Drake, and then you explain to him what

863
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: you just said. Yeah, what if he says, well, you know, respectfully, Kyle,

864
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: that's what my coaching staff wanted. So I had to

865
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: give it to him. And in the pros maybe you know,

866
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know who the hell who's draft? And second,

867
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: right now, Arizona, okay, let's say Arizona says, boy, I

868
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: loved it. I love what Drake bays doing. I'm not

869
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: doing what that coaching staff's doing. This is where I

870
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: missed on Mahomes. I don't know. You were probably still

871
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: playing college football, so you weren't super into it. But

872
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of this Mahomes stuff and it

873
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: was just backyard football Texas Tech. I did not see it,

874
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: and I foolishly fell into the travel. It was all

875
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: these big twelve quarterbacks. They're playing air raid. It's like

876
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: Arena league defenses. Come on, it's not going to work

877
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And I was in it. I look

878
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: like an idiot. I was not a believer in Mahomes

879
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: coming out. Now a lot of people were, including the

880
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: nine teams that passed on him, But how much should

881
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: we not take into account what's happening at the college

882
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: level with these teams. Oregon and Herbert's another example, like

883
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: he did. Yeah, he did not look like the guy

884
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: he is in the NFL at Oregon because of the offense.

885
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's and it's tough too, and that's

886
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: obviously where people miss on. And that's why probably you know,

887
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: two out of three quarterbacks that go in the first

888
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: round don't end up, you know, being great quarterbacks, like

889
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, draft status would warrant. It's really hard to

890
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: project people to the next level because the game is

891
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: so much faster. It's the biggest jump in You know,

892
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: high school to college is a big jump, but going

893
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: to college to the NFL is even bigger. Everybody's running

894
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: four fours in the secondary. You got defensive linemen running

895
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: four fours. It's about how quickly do you process, how

896
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: quickly do you get the ball out of your hands.

897
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: That was one of the reasons why I really liked

898
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: bo Nicks was because when I'm watching these college quarterbacks,

899
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching them and how their footwork is kind of

900
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: married to the concept, and do they get rid of

901
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the ball quickly. I think if you look at how

902
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: quickly a quarterback gets rid of the ball in the NFL,

903
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a list of who's the fastest, but

904
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: I would argue that that's probably a pretty good representation

905
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: of who's playing well. If you're getting rid of the

906
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: ball quickly, you understand where you're going with it. You're

907
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: taking what the defense gives you. It may be a checkdown,

908
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: but if a checkdown is five to six yards and

909
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: we keep it moving, then that's okay. It's really the

910
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: The Caleb Williams style of play is just so difficult

911
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: to project because you know, like I was getting to

912
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: if Kleb Williams goes to the rams and is around

913
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Sean mcvayh and gets to sit behind Matthew Stafford, I think.

914
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I think Caleb Williams has an awesome chance at being

915
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: a very good quarterback. If he's forced into being the

916
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: guy right away where nobody can tell him anything, you know,

917
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: it's going to be difficult. I think he has to

918
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: sit and learn for a little bit because I the

919
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: offense at USC when I watch it is just it's

920
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: just a jumbled mess. There's there's like one read and

921
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: then it's run or create or and it's not all

922
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: like watching the offense in itself and the receivers run

923
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: the routes, I'm like, what is everyone doing here? Like

924
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: I watch LSU, I can tell you exactly what the

925
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: concept is. I can tell you what I called it

926
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I can tell you what ten other teams

927
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: that I was a part have called it. When I

928
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: watched USC, it's a bunch of stuff I've never seen before,

929
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: where you have guys like say and it two by

930
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: two formation, outside guys running at or outside guys blocking downfield,

931
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: and you're running a five yard out so it's on

932
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: both sides and I'm like, these aren't real plays and concepts.

933
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: That's going to be a pass interference downfield, that's going

934
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: to be And we run into a lot of issues

935
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: with this Lincoln Riley system that you know, if anything,

936
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: this year, I've become less of a believer in the

937
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley USC. I think it's been a detriment to

938
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and his progression. Wow.

939
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: Finally we'll wrap up with bo Nick's you mentioned if

940
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: he's going to have like sixty college starts under his belt,

941
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: a bit of a throwback to like these guys coming

942
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: out of college in the eighties. It feels weird. I

943
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: mentioned his name in a mock draft and almost universally

944
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: every fan base is like, no, thanks, I've seen enough

945
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: of this guy exactly. And that kind of falls into

946
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 2: the hole like in the NBA, if you've seen less

947
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: of someone, they're more attractive because you can poke holes

948
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: in everything, and like, listen, I gotta be Honestnick, when

949
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: he was playing for Oregon against Georgia, do you remember

950
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: that game, he was like fifty six fourteen knicks looked

951
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: like a train wreck. I have trouble getting that out

952
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: of my head when I'm analyzing bo Nicks. But he

953
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: can make every throw right, he's smart. He it doesn't

954
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: look like he's gonna make mistakes. I'm real curious what

955
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: he does against Washington if they win they get to

956
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: the playoff, Like how he shows against a Michigan or

957
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: a Georgia. It'll be it because like Hendon Hooker, do

958
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: you remember him? So last year he faced Georgia and

959
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: I was riding the Hendon Hooker. Yeah, heisman, I had

960
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: a ticket. I was all excited and he I mean

961
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: it was raining, but he could not diagnose what they

962
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: were doing on any play at all. It was I

963
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: mean he had like eighty seven yards past some awful number.

964
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

965
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that kind of dented his hopes.

966
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: I need to see bo Nicks face like a real smart,

967
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: tough defense. Like when I saw CJ. Stroud against U Georgia.

968
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: I think that's when you knew, right, Like, oh dude,

969
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: so what do you see?

970
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the same kind of thing. Bow Knicks

971
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: plays such a way, and I think I'll say this

972
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: the Auburn bon Necks I was out on like I'm

973
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: just like you. I heard the things from Jordan Palmer

974
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: where he's like he's gonna win Heisman, He's gonna be

975
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: the first overall pick, blah blah blah. I was like,

976
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: at Auburn, I just don't see it. But I also

977
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: think that he probably wasn't in a great system. Auburn

978
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: isn't really made for the system. There isn't really built

979
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: for building quarterbacks and teaching them how to play a

980
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: pro style system of offense. He goes to Oregon. It's

981
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily pro style, but there's more concepts that relate

982
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: to like drop back football and understanding and reading defenses

983
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: and those kinds of things that you can look at

984
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback and tell that, Okay, he's gotten understands the game.

985
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: So when I see him play, the biggest thing that

986
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: I had written down was he gets the ball out

987
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: quicker than anyone in college football. And to me, that's

988
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: something that I'm getting back to my three step drop.

989
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm taking a hitch and I'm getting it out to

990
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: a eighteen yard dagger on time in the right place.

991
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: My guys are where they're supposed to be. I feel

992
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: like he's playing really good foot ball. He's really accurate.

993
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a huge arm, but he's got a

994
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: good arm. He can make all the throws. I mean,

995
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: to me, the huge arm thing is kind of laughable

996
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: when you hear like Rock Purty is to me is

997
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback in the NFL and does everything

998
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: right in my opinion, and he doesn't have a big arm.

999
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: You have guys like Drew Brees. Drew Brees never had

1000
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: a cannon. He was just crazy accurate, understood where to

1001
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: go with the ball. He's a field general. I love

1002
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: the mentality of bo Nicks. He's out there hyping his

1003
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: guys up. It's clear that they love him. They love

1004
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: the leadership. I feel like he's doing it in the

1005
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: right way. You can just kind of tell when somebody

1006
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: has that it factor as well. So he's seen a

1007
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: lot of football. He's a guy going into the NFL

1008
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: that you know, he's been around a lot of guys.

1009
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: He's been in a lot of offenses and systems. He's

1010
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: transferred twice. There's probably a lot of maturity that goes

1011
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: with that. I feel like he's probably an easy guy

1012
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: to follow and let lead a football team. So I

1013
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: really like the accuracy and how quickly he gets rid

1014
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: of the ball, and I think his feet are great.

1015
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: Right now, all right, we kept you long. Kyle Sloter,

1016
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: you can follow him on social media at Kyle s

1017
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: l o t e R. How do you like the

1018
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: venom you're receiving from a lot of these fans? Man,

1019
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: It's different when you're a quarterback and you either deliver

1020
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: for them or let them down. But it feels like, now,

1021
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: how do you like these guys coming after you?

1022
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's I'll say, in professional sports, it's not

1023
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: something that people talk about very often, but I mean

1024
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: it's been a daily thing since I jumped in the league.

1025
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, whether it was at I mean a small

1026
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: scale Northern Colorado, you go to the Broncos and you know,

1027
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: everybody hates you in one sense and some people love

1028
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: you in another sense. It's something that you take with

1029
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. You know. Some people go to

1030
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: these social media places to just be negative. So it's

1031
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: just part of it's a part of it. I figure,

1032
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: as long as I'm being honest with the things that

1033
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I truly feel, I don't have any mal intent. I

1034
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: don't have you know, there's no reason for me to

1035
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: just you know, shit on a guy for lack of

1036
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: a better word. It doesn't do me any good. It

1037
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: doesn't lift me up, it doesn't make me feel a

1038
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: certain type of way. I want everybody to do well.

1039
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: I feel as long as I'm being honest with the

1040
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: things that I'm seeing, then people are going to feel

1041
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: how they feel.

1042
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: So all right, Kyle Sloater, good stuff, man.

1043
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon, Yes, sir, I appreciate y'all.